DOOM - Arch Vile Jump differences (Source Port Sorcery!)

[vipercannonmafia]

OH MY GOD! MY CHARACTER IS JUMPING AT A DIFFERENT ANGLE, ALL THE GAME IS RUINED! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW!

[HelllordxD]

@vipercannonmafia Ya cuz for example if you wanna make a speedrun and use an A-V Jump and it's not the normal height it's counted as a TAS Speedrun not a normal one....

[NiceHotCupOfBro]

Skulltag seems to have the same problem, but I'm not taking it personally. Y'all should learn to stop complaining.

[0606indy]

Jumping,In DOOM?!?!?!

[Byby235]

i want to play this map :((

[DeimosComaBlack]

@Byby235

Well I'm not uploading it, there's no need. Get DB2 and you can make your own.

[Byby235]

what map was this?:)

[DeimosComaBlack]

@Byby235

Just some shitty arena I threw together in a few minutes.

[roxasfruit]

i use zdoom / skulltag and i jump the direction i want to, really high too

[Causalspark]

I didn't realize that these ports change the game to the point where it literally breaks it. I'm sticking to my .exe from now on.

[roxasfruit]

i wonder how itd be on doomsday

(god mode cuz archviles burning u is scarier the more dmg u take)

[jrsaundercooza]

Damn. I knew the Arch-Vile blasted you higher in ZDoom, but I didn't know you got pushed back towards the Arch-Vile. That's seriously fucked up...

Also, just an observation, but did you play the Doom Legacy segment on I'm Too Young To Die? The Arch-Vile's attacks only did about 16% damage each! LOL

[DeimosComaBlack]

The direction bug has since been fixed (quite a while ago now), but the height remains.

As for Legacy, yeah; due to the way the port loads PWADs (through the launcher as opposed to drag/drop), all the default settings remained intact... And for some reason ITYTD is the default difficulty.

[archy9752]

ok now i know the problem,just send me your email in a PM, and i will send you my cofig file.

this is because the comp level is wrong, the comp level needs to be on 3 but the default is 2.

but if for some reason your don't want me to know your email, i can tell you how to Chang the comp level but its kindu weird what you need to do.

[archy9752]

lol zdoom sucks.

[archy9752]

Pr-Boom plus is the best! i use it in all my videos!

[DeimosComaBlack]

I wouldn't call freelook 'cheating' per se, but yes, it definitely changes the experience.

Crouching, on the other hand... completely unnecessary addition that fucks up monster's targeting.

As for ST improving Doom, it's all down to opinion. On a personal level, I think that overall it does improve things, especially speaking as as a mapper, but there are still some horrible physics issues regarding monsters waltzing off of ledges and related.

[DeimosComaBlack]

I like to call them 'tards!

[DXSnakeEater]

Wow it's easier to use doom 2 for that kind of stuff XD

Inspires me for a map strategy.

[TheDoomerBlox]

Maybe the problem is caused because of the Zdoom command 'sv_gravity'? :o

[DeimosComaBlack]

Um, no.

[Doommaster1122]

Have you found this bug in any other source port? or is Zdoom the only one that seems to F*** it up?

I tried it on GZdoom and it seemed pretty good, I only had one "bad shot".

[DeimosComaBlack]

Only ZDoom pulled that bullshit on me. It's since been fixed though, apart from the jump-height.

[Paradox3121]

Can someone please explain to me how a BUG is "bullshit", especially when it has been fixed for a very, very long time?

Seriously...

[PlayerLin]

Post bugs on Youtube cannot fix it.

Do a proper bug report on ZDoom forum please.

:(

[BoldEnglishman]

May I ask what version of ZDoom you are using in that video?

[DeimosComaBlack]

2.2, which at the time of recording was the latest.

2.3 has fixed the direction, but not the height problem.

[legionthantos]

They probably though that the height problem would add some interesting puzzle solutions.

[XutaWoo]

lol old zdoom version

[NeoWorm]

I just somehow dont fucking care. DECORATE magic is the power of ZDooM, there are different ports for 100% original gameplay.

[Doommaster1122]

Lol. Nice Tags.

Anywho.

I laughed at zdoom's. I NEVER noticed that.

Great find.

[DeimosComaBlack]

It's one of those things that you'd rarely notice during a regular game, although once you do know about this problem it really begins to irritate whenever an Arch-Vile gets a hit in.

That reverse-thrust is bullshit. What the fuck was Heit thinking? D:

[Paradox3121]

If you don't like that source ports change the original game(*gasp*), then don't fucking play them, you nonsensical cunt.

[Doommaster1122]

If you dont like how he (lack of words) bashes it. Then dont watch this video, get ticked off and start throwing names out there.

[Turok1134]

@Paradox3121 Dude, this makes way too much sense. Stop being reasonable.

[narutorefan]

lol Shall we play original Doom2.exe instead D:, because of this.

[DeimosComaBlack]

If you're planning on playing anything Vanilla-Compatible, then my answer is a resounding yes.

[Danswan24]

nice and educational!

[rugterwyper32]

I knew I couldn't get right a good bunch of stuff with Archvile jumps in ZDoom... So that was it. SACRIFICE THE CREATORS OF ZDOOM TO ODIN!

Well, that's a bit over the top

[DeimosComaBlack]

Maybe, but it would definitely put a stop to those so-called 'improvements' and 'enhanced features'...

I find it unfathomable, I really do :/

[rugterwyper32]

It does suck, that it really does. I know, first force them to take are of the changes and then sacrificial stuff?

[DeimosComaBlack]

Or force them to redevelop from an older version of their engine...

Oh, now I sense a Part II coming along...

[MAZZEKAARTS]

LOL AT ZDoom! Cool vid!

[DeimosComaBlack]

I'm actually shocked by that one. It's inexcusable really, and I imagine it was brought about to allow HeXen to be playable.

Achieving compatibilty with another game is one thing. Fucking up the physics of the original engine is something else altogether.