WWII: The Unnecessary War (1 of 4) Pat Buchanan

[Pfsif]

WW2 was a war against communism and we fought for the communist.

[RPenta]

WW 2 is the unholy grail of the neocons and their fellow travelers, hacks, and flunkies in Lame Stream Media, academia, and Mainlining politicians. 

[Vebinz]

Not really accurate to say that the two world wars were a "Western civil war", given that they involved the Ottomans, Chine, and Japan.

[IxenBlaze]

@Vebinz

Its incorrect in that context, but if you consider that the two world wars and the sheer idiocy of all sides of the wars, it was almost as if western civilization was going to tear itself apart or rather western governments were going to tear civilization apart.

[MikeMths35]

The 1986 edition of Hitler's Second Book contains NO mention of any desire by Hitler to conquer America or the world. You figure it out, the Jew historian Weinberg has obviously inserted anti-Nazi propaganda into the 2003 version knowing that most people who buy this book won't know any difference, they won't have a clue that he has changed the context, the meaning, and emphasis.

[MikeMths35]

I want to make something clear to everyone. The poster UserUK201 keeps bringing up this example of Hitler's Second Book as evidence of Hitler stating that he wants to conquer America and the entire world. However, it is obvious to me that the poster is quoting from the updated 2003 version of this book that is now edited by the Jewish refugee from Nazi Germany, the historian Gerhard Weinberg. Older translations of this book (I own the one from 1986) give Hitler's real words and no propaganda.

[JewMafiaCrime]

The JEWs started ww2. The JEWs forced Mr Hitler to go to war. How the JEWs did it was that the JEWs attacked Mr Hitler and Germany on two fronts. First the JEW-WHORE Churchill the first day when he was made PM he orderd RAF to bomb German cities. The JEW-run England bombed German cities for a week On the 8 day Mr Hitler responded.

'Why are we told UK went to war in ww2? Over Poland. And who got Poland after ww2? The JEW-run Soviet. >Part2

[JewMafiaCrime]

Part2 Yes, the JEW-run Soviet. The JEWs took over Russia in 1917. What the JEWs did was that the JEWs killed the entire old russian elite and then the JEWs moved into their houses and apartments. What really happened in Russia 1917 was that the JEWs stole the worlds biggest country.

Once the JEWs was in total control of Russia the JEWs turned Russia into the JEWs private army, the JEWs proxy war machine. >Part3

[JewMafiaCrime]

Part3 The ONLY people in history of man that want to conquer the whole world is the JEWs. The JEWs said very clear to the whole world that what they did in Soviet-Russia the JEWs wanted to do to the entire world.

The JEws plan was do exactly what the JEWs did in Russia to the entire western Europe. And Mr Hitler knew what the JEWs had done in Russia. The JEW runs Soviet army was made for ATTACK.

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[Iker888]

Hitler didn't want to invade Poland???

Hundreds of times he said they would invade Poland, take their farmlands and enslave the Slavs. This guy has no idea what he's talking about. We need a real historian, not a simplistic politician.

[MrIndifferent101]

WOW i cant believe this idiot and the idiots commenting on this vid

Hitler wanted a 1000 year empire and how do you grow an empire by going to war and gaining land, Hitler didnt want a 2 front war thats why he tried so hard not to push war on Western powers, he wanted to take out Russia which he could have and then turn to France and England its sad and scary that this guy was involved in the government

[MikeMths35]

@MrIndifferent101 Prove that Hitler would have attacked France and Britain after conquering Russia.

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[kibicz]

9:07 . "get back the sudetenland from Czechoslovakia" WTF is that gay smoking? Sudetenland came into existence in 1938, all the centuries before it was unseparable frontier part of Bohemia and Moravia. And was never part of Germany.

[MikeMths35]

@kibicz Are you dumb? Czechoslovakia didn't exist until 1919, it was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

[kibicz]

@MikeMths35 Czechoslovakia got nothing to do with it, there were Kingdom of Bohemia nad Margraviate of Moravia - aka The Czech lands, no Sudetenland and up to 1871 no Germany either...

[MikeMths35]

@kibicz Bohemia was under the rule of the Austro-Hungarian Empire prior to 1919.

[kibicz]

@MikeMths35 So what? Habsburks were not Hitler nor Germany..

[MikeMths35]

@kibicz They were German speaking Austrians, they weren't Czechs.

[kibicz]

@MikeMths35 Exactly, no conection to Germany.

[MikeMths35]

@kibicz Germanic people are a connection to Germany and Hitler was an Austrian himself so he was enormously popular with Austrians. Read the book by Reinhard Spitzy.

[kibicz]

@MikeMths35 You should read about compisition and disolution of Cisleithania first. Do you see any "sudetenland"?

[MikeMths35]

@kibicz I see German speaking people trapped inside the borders of Czechoslovakia, your word games are getting old CZECH.

[kibicz]

@MikeMths35 They were "trapped" in Czech speaking area since 1200s when they were invited by Czech nobility, After all german language become second office language in 1627, not before. Moreover, if they were insatisfied, they were free to move home = to Germany or Austria.

[MikeMths35]

@kibicz What don't you understand about the Czechs being ruled by the Austro-Hungarian Empire before 1919? So the German speaking people in that region didn't want to be ruled by a Czech government, they had no problem with being under the authority of an Austrian Emperor who spoke German like themselves.

[kibicz]

@MikeMths35 They are in Germany now, whats the problem? btw. Franz Joseph spoke fluent Czech.

[TheEnoughisEnough]

idiot

[bohemianh]

Who won WW2? The zionists? communist jewish bolsheviks who slaughter Eastern Europeans for 70 years, Communist China where the killing goes on today.

[creamycurdy]

so yeah we last our empire but we did it for the what was right so

FUCK YOU!!!

[theshow2k8]

@creamycurdy

Right how?

[GregorEzpo]

Too bad Hitler's own pre-war writings describe his own desire to take all of Europe, and keep the "American giant" apathetic long enough to eventually crush them too.

[funkybjorn11]

@GregorEzpo -Total nonsense. The largest ethnic group in 1930's America was German-Americans. Hitler was never planning to crush America. Hitler didn't like the heavy jewish influence in the USA government.  You just continue to lie to support the jewish instigated mass murder of Europeans and European Americans.

[MikeMths35]

@GregorEzpo Where is your evidence that Hitler wanted to conquer America? Where did Hitler write that?

[EsClayWilson]

Yeah, the British should have let Hitler have all of Europe & Russia so they could exterminate the Jews & make everything all white. Good call, Herr Buchanan.

Danzig was just an excuse to invade Poland, a country that Hitler wanted to completely annihilate.

[UserUK201]

@something9313 "But insted they let him do it and waited untill he attacked Poland before they decided to take action." A forlong hope that peace may still endure. But as I stated previously it was not to be. "Tito only started to oppose Stalin in 1948" Yes, and that can partially be attributed to external influence from the west eventually resulting in an authoritarian, unaligned nation which was a marked improvement over it stalinist neighbors.

[UserUK201]

@something9313 "thanks for re-itarating what I said..." Your welcome, even though I said that before reloading the page and therefore seeing your post. "The allies didn't attack Hitler at an early stage because they didn't care" they evidently did; the munich accords. "so if the allies had really cared they could have put an end to Hitler" I most definately agree, had they not feared war so much they could have stopped him before it got out of control, sadly that was not the case.

[UserUK201]

...if France and Britain had given a war guarentee to the Czechs Hitler would have backed down and might have been overthrown in an army coup. It was the same type of idealism that lead to England declaring war in 1939 that prevented it from preventing war in 1938. Moving on to your next point "If they cared for freedom why not declare war on him after he passed the Nuremberg Laws?" It's called World War One and the mass unnecessary butcher of millions leaves a sour taste in ones mouth for war.

[UserUK201]

@something9313 "Right...Which is why he bombed them" After the British refused his peace offerings. In Mein Kampf and his second unpublished book Hitler clearly states the UK should be kept intact (as a German puppet) while the Nazis built their land Empire in the east. "England had no problem with Hitler invading Cezchoslavika" Yes they did. Thats why Britain gave the war guarentee to Poland, because Hitler had broken the Munich agreements. That actually leads to an interesting sidenote...

[MikeMths35]

@UserUK201 You are probably reading the 2003 version of Hitler's Second Book that has been severely distorted by the Jewish editor Weinberg who himself was a refugee from Nazi Germany. Unlike you I own the 1986 version so I'm getting the truth while you are being fed lies.

[UserUK201]

@something9313 "also you never addressed my arguments on the Yalta conference" Thats because i'd like to get to that point later. You really spammed me with a lot and i'd like to focus on specific points before moving on to yalta which is very important.

[UserUK201]

@something9313 "he helped Marshal Josip Broz Tito" Because Tito opposed Stalin and his policies. Thats were the real politik comes into play. Better to have a moderate unaligned Marxist then a Stalinist puppet right?

[UserUK201]

...to stop the spread of National Socialism. A simple study of documents from the time substanstiate this view; that British policy was in both cases driven by idealism, mixed with realpolitik. As a side note I think you should know that the Axis countries actually declared war on the USA, not vice versa. In fact America was the only country Hitler actually declared war on.

[UserUK201]

...to Nazi Germany was, like the policy of any democratic nation, quite complex. Initially it can be described primarily as idealistic opposition to violence against German behaviour which many in Britain considered just after the humiliation of Versailles. Yet Hitler's brilliant manipulation of the idealistic pacifists, combined with his oppressive totalitarian regime and wonton aggression lead to Britain declaring war in defense of Poland (an authoritative government itself) in order...

[UserUK201]

...Britain placed its Empire under risk (from the Japanese, Italians, etc.) d) Hitler's land Empire could have served as a bulwark against communism e) by going to war they made controlling their empire exceedingly difficult. If the British had been so determined to keep their Empire they wouldn't have let it go within a few years of the wars ending. Hence your simplistic analysis goes right out the window and we are faced with the reality of the situation. The British governments approach...

[UserUK201]

@something9313 First lets start with your argument regarding England, then we can move on to the USSR and the Yalta Conference. Your premise is that England went to war with Germany based on purely selfish realpolitik reasons, i.e. the preservation of their Empire. This claim is completely retarded for several reasons a) Nazi expansion did not threaten the British Empire b) Hitler wanted to keep the British Empire intact and made his intentions quite clear c) by going to war with Germany....

[UserUK201]

@something9313 First lets start with your argument regarding England, then we can move on to the USSR and the Yalta Conference. Your premise is that England went to war with Germany based on purely selfish realpolitik reasons, i.e. the preservation of their Empire. This claim is completely retarded for two reasons a) Nazi expansion did not threaten the British Empire b) Hitler wanted to keep the British Empire intact and made his intentions quite clear c) by going to war with Germany....

[UserUK201]

"Either the allies were all democratic and freedom loving or they weren't..." Thats utter nonsense and fallacious. When faced with total defeat one can not remain completely idealistic and realpolitik must come into play. The Allies were never close with USSR except in material aid, nor were they exactly friendly towards the Russians (many wanted to overthrow Stalin after they had defeated the Axis including Churchill).

[UserUK201]

@something9313 You justify your moronic conclusions with vague references to oliver cromwell (who died hundreds of years before) and to American control of the Philippines and the subsequent establishment of anti-communist blocks following the war. World War 2 was probably the only example in history of a "righteous war". Anyone who argues otherwise is wholly ignorant of the history of warfare itself.

[UserUK201]

@something9313 What a load of nonsense. Even your analysis of Stalin is completely wrong. Haven't you ever heard of "Socialism in One Country." Stalin and his communist thugs aside, comparing the Allies to the Axis is laughable and only an individual completely ignorant of the war would imply something so idiotic. But thats what happens when you view all governments and individuals in power as cold realpolitik machines hell bent on exploiting the masses and don't bother studying military history

[NLR884evr]

Superb interview of one of Americas preeminent historians. I would also strongly recommend the two-part biography of Adolf Hitler, "Nemesis and Hubris" written by the most respected English speaking authority of Hitler, Ian Kershaw, as a supplement to Mr. Buchanan's excellent book "Hitler, Churchill and the Unnecessary War."

[IowaSea]

@NLR884evr Buchanan doesnt grasp -- nor car -- about reality or facts.

Other than that, he does a great job.

[SantaSyndrome]

@NLR884evr Don't answer IowaSea.It is 1 of 30 + sock accounts of the biggest troll on youtube.His main account is RonPaulHatesBlacks.

[suppozed]

Like it or not Britain did help create the conditions for someone like Hitler to rise to power, considering how the Versailles Treaty insulted and made a mockery of the German nation.

[UserUK201]

@suppozed My friend treaties of even greater magnitude have been inflicted on other nations and none of them elected Adolf Hitler.

[BullshipDetector]

Pat twists things -- Hitler very much wanted war. Hitler was a lunatic eogmaniac, he wanted 1,000 year Reich, and to rid the west of "inferior races".  He was essentially a crazy ass, who could speak very well, sway crowds very well, and blamed the Jews for every problem of the world. Pat completely leaves that out.

[MikeMths35]

@BullshipDetector Buchanan has never said that Hitler didn't want war with Russia, he is saying that Hitler didn't want a World War against Britain and France.

[FarceTax]

Very very interesting-- thank you very much

[88Loki14]

I believe Germany, in hindsight should of savage England on par as what happened in the sowjet union, and hope the Kelts would invade from the north and west!

[mooninquirer]

I am glad that this topic is out in the open. The host was correct is saying that WW II has replaced the American Revolution, and has become of THE American religion.

( Obviously, this is due to the Jewish domination of the news media, Hollywood, and the public schools. )

[IowaSea]

No dumb fuck -- Hitler wanted attention dumb fuck - the rest was just an excuse.

But to get that attention dumb fuck, he spoke about 1000 year reign of white supremecy and enslaving the inferior races.

[deceiver123m]

@IowaSea who cares what he wanted.. Lena Kagan just got appointed to the us supreme court and she wants our fucking guns!

[IowaSea]

@deceiver123m you dog shit eating moron -- Kagan wants your guns my ass.

You want to bitch. YOu want to fit in with the other dog shit eating clowns who try to impress each other with your conspiracy theories and bullshit.

You are so fucking stupid, so fucking easily led. I hope the next war blows mankind to dust, so many of you stupid fucks, let the cockroaches take over

[daveyork0]

The Fuhrer had keen artistic and aesthetic senses

[rgman268]

He wouldn't have conquered Britian. That is a retarded comment to make. Logistically, it would have been hard since Britian had a much bigger navy Germany had already lost a huge amount of men on the Western Front.

[MikeMths35]

@rgman268 The "Hitler would have conquered the world" bullshit is a lie perpetuated by stupid illiterate Whites who allow the Jew controlled TV in their living rooms to control their view of the 20th century.

[PerpetualMotionTax]

Notice how dumb fucks want it both ways. they blame the shit out of Chamberlin for not stopping Hitler sooner.

In fact, US has used that not -stopping Hitler shit in Vietnam, Iraq, and now Afghanistan.  We have to do all these wars -- cause we failed to learn we had to stop Hitler.

Now these dumb fucks say Hitler was RIGHT. England was WRONG, US was wrong.

Well which is it dumb fuck?

[deceiver123m]

@PerpetualMotionTax that they were all wrong, thats the real truth. Allies and Axis was a war against the middle class and the poor. The rich families of the world are pinning us poor people against each other and financing wars between governments. When you ask: Who comes out on top, its not nations, instead only corporations and rich families that pass on their "old money" down to their elitist children that then finance more wars for profit-- only those rich assholes profit and they love it.

[IowaSea]

@deceiver123m No you stupid Fuck -- "they" weren't at war against the middle class you cock sucking dog shit eating moron.

Do you fucking think they walked around and said or thought "We gotta get that middle class"? You stupid fucking cum swallowing sheep. You fucktard.

Learn why men do things you fucktard. Learn how cultures develop fuck tard.

Men do things to get 1) power, 2) prestige, 3) pussy.

[PerpetualMotionTax]

Read another book dumb fuck.

So Churchill was a power hungry snob, that means Hitler was right dumb fuck?

Sorry idiot, MOST humans are power hungry snobs, you and Churchill and Pat Buchanan too.

Hitler and Stalin would have skinned your ass alive, and nailed your parents skin to the wall for fun. But somehow we should have let Japs and Germans take over Asia and Europe.

You dumb fucks.

[MikeMths35]

@PerpetualMotionTax Sure lets defeat anti-Semitic Nazi Germany and become global slaves to Jewish money power, that sounds like real freedom to me. IDIOT.

[Denorius]

After i read this book i can say- churchill is the greatest war criminal in history- not only was he a warmonger who wanted allways war-he did let escalate the invasion of poland into ww2- and the franco german war to ww1.

after all david irwing was right- had britain and france left germany in peace there would have been no holocaust, no communism and a strong europe which would still lead the world.

Thank u Mr churchill you did indeed as you bluntly put it-kill the wrong pig.

[deceiver123m]

@Denorius lookup unit 731 japan war crimes and you will see japanese emperor Hirohito was a master of war crimes. all allied and axis powers were war criminals

[elbuggo]

Read David Irving - he is much better. Free download from His web page. David Irving is simply fascinating. Don't listen to the mudslingers.

[crazycuntryboy2]

Oh yeah i am sooooooooooooooo brainwashed. In fact i am a slave to the New World Order, even though i hate both political parties am a puppet of the federal government. Obama and the Dems/Republicans love putting me to work in commie land so they can make money off of me. If you could not tell I was being sarcastic. You hippie fags don;'t know shit. All of these conspiracy theories are complete BULLSHIT and you know it.

[Disgruntled100]

Buckle up

hang on

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Enjoy yer ride to Hell

[crazycuntryboy2]

That is the biggest load of fucking BULLSHIT I have ever heard. It was a passenger ship. They have the log! There was ONLY ONE weapon carried on that boat, it was a small cannon that offered protection against German U-Boats. Why would troops be shipped to Ireland you dumbass use common sense!

[cruxto]

komrade golstein oy vey ! you schmuck . if you realized historical truth you would see that certain monied interests manipualated you slavs into leninism/stalinism and the world powers to world war 2. and continue to control the purse strings today.buchanan is called an anti semite by your kind of debater because they lack depth of knowledge and historical fact.

[berghof63]

the tide is turning.

[alagentleman1]

THANK YOU for your willingness to post Mr. Buchanan's interview. The road to the destruction of European civilization goes back to the Great War, which ended the monarchical bulwarks against evils such as Lenin, Stalin and Hitler. There is no question that had Kaiser Wilhelm, Emperor Karl, and Czar Nicholas remained on their thrones, Neither the Nazi's nor the Communists could have achieved the means to destroy Europe in another war. Buchanan has added a tremendous work to WWII scholarship.

[crazycuntryboy2]

My Uncle fought in WW2 I find this offensive. LOOK, All this conspiracy BULLSHIT about 9/11 and ww2 is DISRESPECT to the families, and complete BULL. So your sayiong we should have let Hitler just mow through the Jews with his a 1 army and wait for him to attack us? He sent a small dispatch of nazis to anchor a u boat off the coast and take a train to new york city and BOMB the empire state building with dynamite! We captured them WE HAVE PROOF!

[DRNevans]

crazycountryboy: Is this a joke? Are you really this incapable of having an independent thought? Your plan is to go through your whole life repeating slogans you learned in fifth grade, and not even try to understand another perspective? Scratch that; you seem completely incapable of understanding anything but what you've been spoon fed. Your questions are at the level of a bad fourth grader. LISTEN to the interview, or READ the book. It won't kill you.

[sinitskyd]

Wilson -- the 'father" of Federal Reserve, WWI-America, and income tax. Wilson murdered America.

[FecitAnon]

I normally do not agree with much of Pat Buchanan but I certainly admire how he stands up to the Israel lobby and has opposed George Bush. This book is superb and essential reading for anyone interested in the causes of the the Second World War.

[johnthekeane]

Apropos minding ones own buisiness...American foriegn policy since WW2.

Please try not to be an idiot.

Anti war? That is a joke!

[UserUK201]

In Zweites Buch, written in 1928, (the sequel to Mein Kampf) Hitler attacks Stresemann for his goal of restoring Germany to its pre-1914 position, as overthrowing the Treaty of Versailles and restoring Germany to its pre-1914 borders was not enough in hitler's mind. for him Germany's real problem was the lack of sufficient "Living space". Hitler states that overthrowing the Versailles would only be the first step in his foreign policy.

[UserUK201]

In dealing with a psycho such as Hitler, it's doubtful that the war could have been avoided. If indeed Poland had given up Danzig, the war would have began over another territorial demand. Pat doesn't know what he's talking about, and neither do you. Read all my comments before responding.

[UserUK201]

By the time Hitler tried to regain Danzig, it appeared that there was no end to his demands, and that a line had to be drawn. His invasion of Poland confirmed that he would use force if anyone tried to stop him.

Granted, at the time, some like Nevill Chamerlian thought negotiations with Hitler could avoid war. But in the hindsight of history it seems laughable for someone to claim "if only Poland had done this or that, the war and bloodshed and disaster would have been averted."

[UserUK201]

Pat attempts to depict this as an isolated occurance, but history shows us that Hitler had made many other demands and moves previous to that: militarization of the Rhineland, occupation of Austria,occupation of the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia,

occupation of the remainder of Czechoslovakia (something you seem to believe never happened, i suppose the holocaust never happened either).

[CauseAndEffectPost]

Sir, nobody is disputing that Hitler was an unstable, militaristic, madman. The entire point of Pat's book is to illustrate how ENGLAND got sucked into the whole thing by giving war guarantees to a nation that it had no means or public desire to defend. The British people didn't want war with Germany just as much as Hitler himself didn't want war with England. England, like the US is doing today in Georgia, forced an undesired escalation that lead to the deaths of millions.

[CauseAndEffectPost]

At no point does Pat assert that if only Poland had given up Danzig this all could've been avoided. He states, very clearly, that the British war guarantee is what's at issue here. Poland was closed to negotiations as soon as they understood Britain "had their backs." It is eerily similar to what's going on in Georgia today. Why negotiate Ossetia's independence when the US has offered a war guarantee? Why take Russia more seriously when you've got American blood backing you up?

[CauseAndEffectPost]

The "lessons of Munich" have been so utterly distorted so as to provide excuse for every military intervention of imperial America and imperial England ever since. Every bad guy out there is a potential Hitler that requires the blood of our youth to counter. Diplomacy is a dead art since WWII. It's obey the powers that be or be bombed. The idea that every conflict is of international concern, no matter what the dispute, is what produced the bloodiest century in human history.

[UserUK201]

I'm not surprised someone of your intellectual caliber would make such an absurd statement as this, seeing how you depict the Allies as brutes, and Hitler as another petty dictator is so blatantly absurd I can't stop laughing.

[CauseAndEffectPost]

The Americans, prior to WWII had just finished slaughtering and starving over 600,000 Filipinos in the name of "benevolent assimilation." Let us not forget also, that the first wholesale carpet bombing of civilian populations was first carried out by the allied powers in WWII. My point is this. Hitler was a madman, but the western "democracies" weren't clean either. I see WWII more as a clash of empires than a one sided crusade against evil as per the conventional wisdom of today.

[UserUK201]

your estimate of the number of filipinos killed is about triple the actual amount (including wounded, and missing). You also seem to be forgetting that following that the US followed a policy of both supporting human rights and economic development (built roads, hospitals, etc.) and had by the time of world war 2 promised (and eventually gave) the Philipines independence. These occured DECADES before world war 2, by the time the war had began the imperialism of western democracies was dead.

[UserUK201]

The allies did some things that in our view were morally wrong, but in hind sight it must be viewed as a necessary evil, as well as their alliance with tyranny (Stalin) in order to defeat the greater evil. They did it in the hopes that their descendants would never have to do anything like it again, and so that they too may live a life of freedom, that very thing that you mock by insulting their memory.

[PerpetualMotionTax]

@CauseAndEffectPost YOu stupid fuck -- no, the US did not slaughter 600,000 filipinos. Teddy Roosevelt and those fucks went to Phillipines and probably killed 20,000. But almost no Americans even knew it, and when some found out, they stopped.

See the difference?

[EsClayWilson]

@CauseAndEffectPost But one of the most loyal allies, the best we had in the Pacific, were the Filipinos

[UserUK201]

"obey the powers that be or be bombed" so that thing called the Cold War never really happened according to you?

[CauseAndEffectPost]

I'm not sure what you mean by this statement but let me state my world view as simply as I can on this matter. Hitler was evil, no doubt. But I do not see WWII as a battle between good and evil because the allied powers were guilty of just as much slaughter of innocent life, if not more so, than Hitler. Churchill implemented an open policy of blockade and starvation on the German people long before the rise of Hitler. Like the blockade on Iraq in the 90s this effected children most of all.

[UserUK201]

LOL! first of all just examine the way in which the defeated powers were treated. Both were nursed back to health, would the same thing have occured with a conquered Russia or America? And if you knew anything about world war 2 you'd know carpet bombing of civilians was a German invention, Churchill just wanted pay back. as for the blockade during world war 1 you're forgetting the germans were trying to do the exact same thing with subs, not to mention ITS A WAR!

[UserUK201]

Did the western allies use POW as slave labour? did they try to exterminate whole groups of people? were they oppressive dictatorships? the fact that you are openly defending hitler is an insult to the very people who fought and died so would be free to make such a statement.

[CauseAndEffectPost]

As far as slave labor is concerned, YES, both sides employed slave labor. It's called the draft. Imperial governments on both sides conscripted a slave army to perform the dirty work of furthering their interests.

I am not defending Hitler by any means. He was ultimately more evil than probably any man who ever lived. But the allied forces murdered just as many innocents as the Germans albeit in a much more sanitary manner from thousands of feet in the air. MILLIONS.

[UserUK201]

wrong, only the axis and at times the soviet union engaged in slave labor, the western allies at no time engaged in such activities. Stop reading revistionist history.

[UserUK201]

Hitler said,"If I was ruler of the British Empire I would have Gandhi shot." As we can see in this statement Hitler's and the British Empire's approach to domestic opposition are quite different. The fact is that the imperialism of the western democracies was dead at this period in time, stop trying to make excuses for the axis and insulting the men and women who died so that you could be free from the tryanny of fascism, by depicting them as something they were not.

[UserUK201]

As for claiming the draft is slave labor ha! With or without it men would have joined to save their nations, and name one instance in which the draft can compare to the way in which the Japanese and Germans enslaved whole populations as slaves (you think the americans were bad in the philippines 40 years prior?). My great uncle was captured by the japanese in Burma, you can't even begin to comprehend what type of living hell he went through.

[AlwaysSimon]

A draft is without question a means to create a slave army, since it by passes the choice of a citizen and goes straight to enlistment.

UserUK201's comment about if there would have been no draft men would have volunteered to protect their nation; well that may be so, but that is not any where near a justification for a government to assume it owns the right to your life. You are not property, or if you are than it is you alone who owns it, thus it was wrong for them to have it on the table.

[WelfareRobot]

And yet some still persevere in telling us that, you know what, your life belongs to the government. You are a tool to be used at their discretion, to fight and die in wars, whether you would choose to fight them by your own free will or would not. Conscription is the assumption that the government owns your life, no more and no less, and further, it assumes the people of a nation are incapable of defending it by their own choice.

[UserUK201]

You seem to be depicting the government as a totalitarian entity in which the people have no say, which is absurd. Rather I am pointing out that on certain occasions when it is neccesary (nevermind Veitnam or any of that nonsense) and the situation is urgent, the individual must be willing to risk his life in the quest to protect the greater society, which surpasses him in importance. I know that sounds cold hearted and cruel, but this is how it has been since the time of our primate ancestors.

[UserUK201]

The government is not assuming it owns your life, rather you as an individual, being part of society and benefiting from it, have assumed a social contract stating that you are willing to obey the laws of that society and defend it in times of trouble. This is how it has been since the days when man were mere hunter-gathers, and long before. Group dynamics, the willingness to cooperate and provide mutual self defense for one another are after all evolutionary traits.

[Christstuffer]

@CauseAndEffectPost

LOL godamn a whole year later and your comment is still the most retarded thing I've ever read

[NLR884evr]

@CauseAndEffectPost Yes, The Allies of WW2 killed many, many people. In fact the allies killed more than the axis powers. But, it was justifiable homicide, not murder. Furthermore, are that foolish to insinuate that an American draft system is akin to the atrocities of Japan against the U.S.? You live in a book, a world of theoretical world that would make Plato blush.

[Altiuser]

@UserUK201 aren't you tired of repeating the same old propaganda?

[UserUK201]

@Altiuser Labelling facts "propaganda" is idiotic and demonstrates the weakness of your position. Arguing subjective moral truths is a waste of time, especially with individuals like CauseAndEffectPost. What matters here is an objective analysis of the historical record which proves both Buchanans and the pacificsts assertions wrong. National Socialism viewed war as an integral part of life, something these idiots fail to understand.

[MikeMths35]

@UserUK201 Buchanan has never denied that Hitler wanted a war with Russia. He has simply said that Hitler didn't want a World War.

[UserUK201]

The war was fought between an oppressive expansionist ideology whose goals were to acquire power, resources, and most importantly forge the world a new. and under whose political system all basic human rights are denied and countries defending themselves and their civilization...

[UserUK201]

... most of which happened to be western and therefore include such things as human rights, freedom of speech, equality, etc. the very things that you as, I assume, a resident of a western nation benefit from today and which would be denied to you under the pretences of the ideology of fascism.

[CauseAndEffectPost]

You just ignored my examples of western genocide and aggression during that same horrible period. The Americans in the Philippines, Churchill's post WWI starvation campaign of Germany that led to the deaths of over 750,000 Germans, mostly children. Carpet bombing of civilian targets was initiated by the Brits at Bremen and Hamburg my friend. You are mistaken.

[UserUK201]

SAME PERIOD? LOL! are you totally ignorant of history, the american campaign against insurgents in the Philippines began in 1898, after it was purchased from spain. Same period lol! western imperialism was dead when the war began, only a few hold outs of the old order tried to prevent it's demise.

[deceiver123m]

@UserUK201 the declaration of independence which established the us constitution, and the french revolution which gaves the western nations the Magna Carta as a example document for future constitutions were a part of wars for human right and freedom of speech, etc. The deaths in the phillipines and the slave trades and the slaughtering of the American indians and the obvious trade/economic wars with south america- all of that was not a part of fighting for human rights, freedom of speech, etc.

[SantaSyndrome]

@deceiver123m Don't answer IowaSea.It's a troll account.1 of 30 + sock accounts used by the biggest troll on youtube.His main account is RonPaulHatesBlacks.

[UserUK201]

LOL! you are aware that historically is was the axis who murdered innocent civilians for fun (nanking massacre), who exterminted whole villaged (germans in russia and france). The allies, though they did kill civilians in the process of bombing german industry, viewed it as a neccesary evil, unlike the Germans and Japanese who used to bomb civilians on purpose (after all the germans were the ones who invented the practice, first used in spain, then in france, the lowlands, yugoslavia, ussr, etc)

[theshow2k8]

@UserUK201

They bombed German towns and cities where they knew there was no military presence or anything of interest.

[UserUK201]

@theshow2k8 Sure did. They also firebombed Japanese cities and Russian troops engaged in mass rape.

[CauseAndEffectPost]

I'm so sorry I accidentally removed your last comment, meaning to hit 'reply.' In response however I would ask if you honestly believe Hitler would be capable, with absolutely no Navy, a meager Air Force of short range bombers, and a finite number of soldiers and resources, of dominating both France, England, and the Soviet Union? Even Hitler knew this to be impossible.

[UserUK201]

don't worry about it.

But the German's are the aryan race they can defeat anyone can't they? I recommend you read Zweites Buch for a more detailed examination of Hitler's goals for world domination. As for the notion that the "lessons of Munich" have been distorted to justify wars against other blodd thristy dictators (though none with the power of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan), it doesn't have to be distorted and hasn't. Anyways how history is used is a completely different subject.

[MikeMths35]

@UserUK201 The 2003 Weinberg version of Hitler's Second Book is nonsense, stop falsely representing Weinberg's Jew propaganda spin of Hitler's territorial aims as though those were Hitler's real goals when they clearly weren't. If you read earlier versions of that book you would see quite clearly how Weinberg has changed the context and added bogus emphasis in certain parts to support his phony World Domination lies.

[UserUK201]

I you really believe that if only the Poles had given up Danzig, Hitler would have tended his garden quietly, painted some water colors, and stood as a bulwark against Bolshevism you are an ignoramous. I recommend rise and fall of the third reich, a far more crediable book than this garbage, as well as some excellent biographies of Hitler, in which that don't misquote people, ignore historical facts, of falsely depict individual personalities, to support their absurd claims.

[UserUK201]

World War 2 was not the result of "decades of a misguided foreign policy of interventionism," it was the result of a totalitarian ideology that sought to forge the world a new and subject all mankind to their will.

[MikeMths35]

@UserUK201 "all mankind"..LOL, you really are a joke, have you ever turned off the BBC in your lifetime?

[UserUK201]

Though World War 1 was certainly an unnecessary war, and the effects of it's outcome laid the foundation for world war 2, the notion that World War 2 was an unnecessary war is not only an absurd one, but a repulsive one as well, an insult to all the men who fought to defend liberty from the tyranny of fascism.

[UserUK201]

Pat doesn't really know what he's talking about at all.

[CauseAndEffectPost]

I'm assuming you haven't read the book or you are the unfortunate victim of government public school education, as I once was. Either way I'll overlook your poorly grounded statements.

Try listening to the interview in full before posting. You may be surprised that you actually learn some things you didn't know before.

[UserUK201]

no i tried to read it but put it down because of the blatantly false claims he makes. Sadly individuals like yourself, who in their quest to prove war is never the answer, not only attempt to revise history, but to ignore human nature. I recommend you watch some of the videos in which far far far more accredited historians than Pat Buchanan debunk this nonsense.

[CauseAndEffectPost]

Please provide an example of one of those "false claims" you find so objectionable. What did he state in the interview that you find factually incorrect? I am not endeavoring to prove that war is "never the answer," only that war is never inevitable. WWII was a PREDICTABLE result of decades of a misguided foreign policy of interventionism. Buchanan is only laying out the case on how WWII never should've happened had we learned the lessons of history.

[UserUK201]

Buchanan states that Hitler's sole goal was to reoccupy former German territory and he concentrates on appeasable German grievances, ignoring his invasion and occupation of Czechoslovakia as well as the invasion of Spain by Germany and Italy (with some Spanish fascists) in order to replace the democratically elected government. Spain wasn't part of Germany was it?

[CauseAndEffectPost]

Once again, you demonstrate that you did not listen to the whole interview. You're bringing up issues that are specifically addressed and debunked by Buchanan and other historians that he cites, including quotes by Hitler and Churchill themselves. Hitler did not "invade" Czech or Spain, nor was he seeking to conquer France, Britain, or the US. He even debunks the so-called "living space" theory very thoroughly.

Again, please actually listen to the whole thing before you seek a debate.

[UserUK201]

lol the quotes you mention are taken out of context. You say hitler didn't invade Czechoslovakia or Spain? wow you need to open a history book, because that one statement shows you really have no idea what you're talking about, i suppose that's what you get when you quote pat buchanan. As for the living space theory, that claim has been debunked in turn by far more accredited historians. It was debunked back in the 1960's when Aj's book came out.

[UserUK201]

the quotes are infact in response to not drawing the line earlier with Hitler, and following the policy of appeasement. It seems mr. buchanan is purposely deceiving us.

[UserUK201]

ideology was central to Nazi Germany, Hitler states it in Mein Kampf, as well as in IT'S SEQUAL WRITTEN IN THE MID 1930S. A book Buchanan seems to ignore, along with everything else that disproves his theory. It is apparent to me that you have never studied the Second World War outside of Buchanan's nonsense, nonsense that was disproven back in the 1960's. You should really read a book by a more accredited historian.

[MikeMths35]

@UserUK201 You idiot, Hitler's Second Book was written in 1928, you don't even know the correct dates of these events and yet you pretend to be some kind of expert. Stop making a damn fool of yourself.

[MikeMths35]

@UserUK201 And the Soviet Union didn't interfere in the Spanish Civil War?

[MikeMths35]

@UserUK201 Slovakia wanted independence, the Czechs were preventing them from getting this.

[UserUK201]

It was a clear act of Fascist imperialism, imperialism central to the ideology of Nazism. He states that if there had been no war guarantee from Britain, Poland would have done a deal and therefore avoided war with Germany, ignoring Hitler's stated goal of conquering Poland, because he seems to believe Hitler is a sane politically cunning individual, not the insane sociopath, with grand dreams of conquest that he was.

[MikeMths35]

@UserUK201 Wrong, Hitler switched to the goal of conquering Poland only after Poland had rejected a German offer of an alliance directed against the Soviet Union in late 1938/early 1939.

[UserUK201]

He depict these incidents as isolated occurrences, he ignores Mein Kampf as well as it's unpublished sequel (written in the mid 30s which states America will be the greatest long term threat and must be destroyed, and Europe, including Britain must be subjected to German hegemony), and ignored the tenets of Nazi ideology, an ideology developed long before World War 1 I might add.

[MikeMths35]

@UserUK201 Hitler's Second Book doesn't say that at all unless you are reading the new distorted Jew Weinberg edition put out in 2003. Hitler expresses admiration for America in his Second Book because of their pro-Nordic immigration policy established in 1924. He also says that America could some day threaten Germany so Germany must be strong to prevent that possibility, so you've got it backwards, nowhere does he talk about destroying the U.S. This Weinberg Jew has duped you.

[UserUK201]

His entire premise is that Nazism was capable of living side by side with other political ideologies (though if one knew anything about Nazism they would know this notion contradicts everything Hitler said and did), that Hitler was actually a sane human being, that Hitler (a man who only understood force) could actually be negotiated with, and that you could actually negotiate with an absolutist.

[UserUK201]

he also states the hitler didn't want to go to war with Britain in 1939 which is true, he wanted to wait until his navy could challenge the royal navy before engaging in war with the British Empire. If the British hadn't drawn the line with hitler (though they were unprepared because morons with similar ideas to those of Pat Buchanan had been in charge) they would have only put off the inevitable conflict with Nazism, and would have certainly been defeated.

[UserUK201]

Instead of thinking what might have happened if Hitler had been appeased, think what might have happened if the allies stood up to him early on instead of listening to morons with notions similar to pat's.

[UserUK201]

Pat Buchanan is a discruntled pedant who never recovered from the failure of his brief attempt as a maverick presidential candidate.

[MikeMths35]

@UserUK201 Accredited historians? Like the Jewish refugee from Nazi Germany, Gerhard Weinberg, whose butchered new edition of Hitler's Second Book you keep quoting? I'm so sure he's just going to be the most objective historian in the world. IDIOT.

[UserUK201]

World War 2 would have never happened if we had learned from history and you are right about that, but not in the way you think. During china's seven warring states period the Qin dynasty had the stated goal of conquering all china, and began a policy of invading and conquering each state at a time. The other states tried to appease it, tried to negotiate, allowed other states to be conquered, and sure enough one by one they were devoured.

[MikeMths35]

@UserUK201 You don't really know what you are talking about at all, you are just some dumb kid who watches a lot of TV and believes everything the Jews have ever told you.

[ProclaimLiberty]

This interview is excellent.