Hmmm, I question this guy's argument. If this would be such a bad thing for innovation and competitors of names like google, then why are all those big names against this legislation? If it's really no big deal to them, why fight it at all? Seems like they're giving google and facebook a free barrier-to-entry. There has to be something more to this, I can't really believe that all those corporations had a flash of integrity that suddenly made them want to fight for their future competitors.
@bweazel Just because they can put forth 100 lawyers to fight something does not mean it they will win immediately. Takes time and still takes effort and in the end they are paying for 100 lawyers. Be easier to rally public to their cause and prevent it out right. Just because a big company has the means to throw money at a problem does not mean they want to.
@MrMadoc Well that's pretty much completely opposite of what he was arguing, he's saying because they are such a big company, that Google doesn't worry about this legislation. He's saying that Google and the rest of the people that were against it did it out of the kindness of their hearts
It's funny because intellectual property law nowadays suppresses innovation more than fostering it. It's stupid and hypocritical for Disney to have pushed for ridiculous copyright protection durations, to prevent people from doing the very thing that made Disney popular: ripping off stories for children. People who complain that they're not going to get paid for playing music are missing the whole point. The very thing that would supposedly "protect" you would also force you to pay for a lawyer.
why do people dislike these vids? wtf do they expect? a degree? for sitting through very interesting and informative opinions that they really didnt have to pay for, its just crazy. even if you disagree, he still makes a good point.
This video ties together with the type 1 society video in terms of how people that are old and don't understand the core of the internet's purpose tries to stop or make innovation within the internet much more expensive which to me is certainly unacceptable because overall older generations will die out and a new generation takes its place and so on...
This video ties together with the type 1 society video in terms of how people that are old and don't understand the core of the internet's purpose tries to stop or make innovation within the internet much more expensive which to me is certainly unacceptable because overall older generations will die out and a new generation takes its place and so on....
SOPA was a distraction wake up people. ACTA was signed in october! The EU signed on with ACTA on friday. google is already taking action. look it up. infowars.com
If SOPA passes it will have an effect on piracy for a few years until fully anonymous p2p takes over. The negative effects of it would last for tens of years or more.
I'm a musician. You say I need to retrain myself to make money with my intellectual property? What about having people STOP stealing my intellectual property? You say the internet isn't the problem? The internet makes it SUPER EASY for people to STEAL an artist's work! Are people going to respect copyrights without ANY enforcement? It hasn't happened yet! Google has done NOTHING to protect artists. Google profits from pirate sites and has NO incentive to do anything about the problem!
@DevinThomas Couldn't you argue that the internet also PROMOTES your music and generates more interest into your music which in-turn generate more profit for you? Since it is SUPER EASY to watch music on the internet...
@nuggetsww The internet promotes music but it also teaches people that everything should be free. Why should people buy music when it's online for free? Before the internet came along, people bought CDs and DVDs in stores. Those stores have gone out of business in case you haven't noticed.
@DevinThomas Personally, I buy CD's because owning an actual CD feels more genuine, but I never buy one before actually listening to the music first. I can safely say that downloading music makes me buy more CD's, rather than less. On a second note, I don't think you're getting how bad SOPA and PIPA are (or maybe I should say ACTA, since that's the new thing). If ACTA goes through, sites like Facebook, Youtube, all forums and all social sites will be made illegal.
@DevinThomas Continued: If you put up a video of a party with music playing in the background on a site, not only is the video illegal, the government can sue the site for it. So, when we fight against ACTA, SOPA or PIPA, we don't fight for our ability to download stuff, we fight for our freedom of speech and expression. As for your financial problems, I suggest you adapt. There was a time when the people had to adapt to the market, and not the other way around. It's called the dark ages.
@CatDarkeye I don't think that what you say is true, but even if it is, what makes you think you automatically have the right to post anything you want to? We have laws that protect intellectual property and those laws don't go away just because we have an internet now. And yes I agree, we seem to be entering a new dark age where true creativity is no longer rewarded.
@DevinThomas You come across as very bitter tbh. True creativity is no longer rewarded, are you implying that it was before the internet? Because that is bs, why do you think there so many Britney Spear clones, who's marketed as this generations Madonna? Better yet, hiphop and gangsterrap, a few pioneers started it, without money, selling tapes for a small fee, now that genre is dominating the music industry, because it sells. cont.
@DevinThomas cont. With the internet indie musicians can take care of distribution, publicity and exposure without getting dictated by large recording labels that they must play music that can be sold. Ever wonder why on some albums from selling underground artist there was always one single that had that commercial feel? To make it easier pluggable and accessible to the mainstream. You even do it yourself, looking at your channel and your uploads. How is this not beneficial to creativity?
@DodoPandemic I agree that someone shouldn't just copy your clips from your channel and sell it, but having the goverment setup a law to sue sites on which normal users express themselves as a side effect is not helping. Youtube can't even check all the dmca claims made, because they're made by clever programming, song on the radio in the background gets dmca'd without any human interference. Game industry does fine, dc cuts back on manufacturing costs, why can't the music industry do the same?
@DevinThomas errm, i half agree, true creativity isnt necessarily rewarded properly, instead its a vicious corporate cycle both on the side of the industry, where acts that can only be vetted and marketed to the masses will be advertised and promoted, and a cultural issue where people who have no taste, or sense of self, devour what record companies have carefully, purposefully crafted to be sold to those who buy without much discernment. so now its bloated with garbage, no room for real artists
@DevinThomas What makes you think you have the right to censor certain times of peoples' lives just because music someone played is going on in the background? This argument goes both ways, please stop being so one sided and self centered.
It's no longer rewarded by greedy corporations who use law and lobbying to control the market and raise barriers to entry. It's rewarded by the people whenever you put on a concert.
@DevinThomas man i've heard about the artists who got rich because of the internet if u dont know how to use it that's ur problem not OURs. igorpres one of the quite many who got money for tour, album ... because of this site and internet. FREE INTERNET is only but only thing left that's FREE in our lives cut of that and we will be puppets.
@SpiderShane1 Get real? Why don't YOU get real? How much music have you actually paid for? You have no idea what you are talking about. Losing your freedom? What does that even mean? Losing your freedom to STEAL music and films?
@DevinThomas You should make music because you like to, not because you want to be rich. Music should be free for everyone, and if you think otherwise, you probably make shitty pop music that I wouldn't want to listen to anyway.
@SpiderShane1 I guess it's all about you and what you consider music to be, huh? What if someone likes to work on cars? Should I expect them to work on my car for free? And if they refuse, I call them greedy? They say working on cars is fun, but also a lot of work, but I say it should be FREE "for everyone", so I guess I win the argument because the world should be the way I say it should be. This is your LOGIC?! You have a lot of nerve and if you think otherwise, you haven't taken a good look!
@DevinThomas I love when artists try to compare their work to someone's physical labor. Makes me want to go out and seed all the albums I can find. What you meant to say was, if you felt like filming him working on your car then he notifies you that you can't because that's his IP. Now, it'd be a different story if you were turning around and trying to sell that as instructional videos, but you miss the entire point, it's just sharing. You selfishly call it stealing.
@bweazel I love it when no talent losers like YOU with ZERO creativity try to make a point about something that you are clueless about. Stealing is stealing no matter how much you try to rationalize it. Oh I forgot music is supposed to be free, huh? So how come I had to pay for, my keyboards, guitars, recording gear, music lessons, etc.? I guess I just forgot to STEAL everything like YOU!
@DevinThomas Sorry to burst your bubble. It is free. ;)
How come you had to pay for those things? Because they're actual products, actual services, etc. Stop acting like I'm hiring you for a gig. We're just listening to some music. If you're wondering why you're struggling as an artist, look no further than your attitude on art.
@DevinThomas Well, let's see. Since a very large part of that industry's revenue comes from ad revenue and licensing fees that other people pay for, which is included in the price of the other product when I buy it, I would say I've "paid" them. It's a closed loop, man. Especially with industries heavily dependent on ad revenue. Oh, don't worry. We'll never lose our freedom to share, regardless of what you want.
@DevinThomas you really know nothing about SOPA and PIPA. Hollywood was pushing it to keep from having their material pirated (like they are so poor and losing money) but that was the frontrunners. It was the problems with the government convicting you without a trial without notifying you and shutting your site down when all it takes is one person to falsely accuse your site. Then it could hurt businesses that make money from ads online that have companies that may or may not be...
@physicswizrd86 Stop repeating what others have told you! What you are saying isn't true! What you say makes no sense. Not everyone who makes music or films is RICH. People are losing money from pirates and it is indefensible. And YEAH sites SHOULD get shut down if they are pirates. Besides nothing can happen unless it goes before a judge and is reviewed. Don't you believe in due process which is the cornerstone of democracy? People who create CONTENT should be paid, not RIPPED OFF!!!
@DevinThomas No, you are not losing money from pirates, because no one listens to your music anyways. And really, the big names aren't losing money either. They still do concerts, and if they made a good contract, get all that money. If you make good music, and are popular, you will be successful. It seems that you are trying to blame your lack of skill on piracy. How pathetic.
And if you make good music, you should be able to sell out a stadium. Can you?
@DevinThomas I sound bitter? Hahah, ok *pat pat pat* Nope. I don't feel guilty at all. I go to live concerts and performances all the time, so it's not like I don't support the arts. What I won't do is support an obsolete supply chain that does nothing but inflate the cost of art. Actually. I feel pretty good knowing I haven't given them any money. You ever get good enough and well known enough to do live concerts, I'll probably give you money too. That is if you're any good....
@DevinThomas I never bought albums before mp3s, that's not to say I didn't enjoy music. It's just never been valuable enough to me to purchase a hard copy or an entire album. Even then you could record songs you like off of the radio (which is perfectly legal if you need a reminder). If you don't even realize free advertising and promotion when you see it, you, nor the archaic business model you cling to will ever make it.
@DevinThomas Some people like the album experience. Having a hard copy in their hand, some pics inside the case of tours and storys, lyrics, etc. (which you industry really doesn't even do anymore) I'm not one of those people, I could care less about the artist, I just want the art, to view or listen, not to own. You're behaving as though a copy of that has been stolen. No one's stolen anything from you, you have not been deprived of any money you spent to make a certain product.
@DevinThomas You assume people buy things because they have to... well guess what some people buy things because they want to like to support the creator for instance. (mind you neither of my comments are specific replies they just reply to the entire argument)
@DevinThomas Don't YOU believe in due process? You're the one saying that every single person who hears music they didn't pay for is a thief. You don't even care about their motives. You don't care if they were introducing a friend to a new band (which is good for you), you don't care about any of that, you just selfishly care that you get paid. The guy trying to treat all people as criminals is talking about due process. Ha, that's rich.
@physicswizrd86 Stop repeating what others have told you! What you are saying isn't true! What you say makes no sense. Not everyone who makes music or films is RICH. People are losing money from pirates and it is indefensible. And YEAH sites SHOULD get shut down if they are pirates. Besides nothing can happen unless it goes before a judge and is reviewed. Don't you believe in due process which is the cornerstone of democracy? People who create CONTENT should be paid, not RIPPED OFF!!!
@physicswizrd86 Stop repeating what others have told you! What you are saying isn't true! What you say makes no sense. Not everyone who makes music or films is RICH. People are losing money from pirates and it is indefensible. And YEAH sites SHOULD get shut down if they are pirates. Besides nothing can happen unless it goes before a judge and is reviewed. Don't you believe in due process which is the cornerstone of democracy? People who create CONTENT should be paid, not RIPPED OFF!
@physicswizrd86 SOPA and PIPA really have nothing to do with hollywood. It just have everything to do with piracy, copying and illegaly hosting content u do not own. What SOPA does is that it locks its access away from US users. Thats basicly all. What comes to services being torn down, is because it found place in the US. It was a US service, so SOPA can legaly put the site down. However, SOPA cannot do anything to piratebay because its not an US service.
@MegaTafe i know i messed up or well described it wrong. its when they make your site sort of unfindable by us users. when i say hollywood its because they are pushing for it with illegal downloads of movies and music which P2P caused the biggest problem. but they are wanting that to be the foundation for this act, and then add to it more control. it will be used on companies whose ads are on websites that bring revenue to a company for views but might have access to that content.
@MegaTafe i know all about it. but if it is blocking access to your site than it is basically shutting your site down. and they dont have to have a trial with you there or notify you. so how am i wrong. hollywood is pushing for it because of their content and that makes it seem ok. but this can block many useful sites, and the government wants to add in that they can do this to sites that may seem against the government like wiki leaks
@MegaTafe who is to say that the government won't use this to shut down the internet like china did. I think there are a few other countries that have shut down the internet for a few days too.
@DevinThomas 1.my internet is a internet where you can do whatever you want.
2.isnt the goal of an artist to tell their message to the most people possible while money is a side effect?or are you just a guy who plays music without any reasons other than making money??
3.i steal music from people i dont like...then i realise i like them and i end up buying it out of respect for the artist.
4.maybe you should concentrate on making good content instead of worrying about how much money you make.
scientist make incredible breaktrough that changes how we see the world everyday and give us hope that tomorow can be better than today.
artists make an instrument invented by scientists make a sound.
artists have fame,glory,and a lot of money...
6.the guy who wants to start a company on the internet is in the same situation as you...so what is so special about you that we should help you instead of him?
@DIVAD291 7.the guy who wants to start a company may actually improve the world we live in a little bit...while the 'artists' will entertain us a little.
8.if piracy is totally removed small artists like you will get no publicity and you will end up poorer than you already are.
9.in other words...without that piracy that you hate your nothing dickwad.
@DIVAD291 1. No, it isn't. You can't break the law just because you do it on the internet. 2. Sorry, but who are you to tell me how I should make a living? Why don't you do YOUR job for free? 3. Why should you suddenly respect an artist and buy their work when you just said they shouldn't be worried about making any money? Besides if you really respect someone, you don't steal from them! 4. Why don't YOU concentrate of making sense! P.S. I make good "content" thank you, but people prefer junk!
@DIVAD291 He's the guy that plays music for no other reason than money, which is why he isn't making any, which is the entire problem with their industry.
@EXPELLIDAVRA A mere 30 years ago musicians made MORE money than now. People who hire working musicians for weddings, parties, etc. still pay 1980 wages now and musician's pay has NOT gone up with the cost of living. Oh, and by the way, musicians could actually make and sell their own CDs at gigs and people would actually BUY them and not download them for free on the internet! So, I don't know what you are talking about!
@DevinThomas And you don't think that has anything to do with a saturated market for musicians? You're right. Poor, poor music industry. I feel so sorry for them and their draconian methods of trying to dictate to people and control the entire world's music industry.
I pirate music to kill the unnecessary and obsolete supply chain that is weighing down on all of you as artists. You should be against them too.
@dikiewithersat85 To read between the lines of this comment: You are indicating that you are smarter than most people here, which makes you different than most people here...
Oh, and the first letter of the sentence is lowercase, so I can safely say (unless you are having a bad day) that you are the one who looks the most like a wannabe hipster intellectual (but I'm guessing you're just a troll).
they shut down what was it, mega upload. They'll eventually ruin the net anyway while turning it into a pure shopping mall and social network that spies on you for the government intelligence agencies and credit card companies and stores you shop at, companies you buy shit from.
@dactree wasn't it "shelved" extremely recentlyand also this "site" belongs to google do you really think that they would allow such a big system just to disappear just saying that it would still be here it would just be more strict.
so congres can not jum to tipy 2 civitation or tipe 1 before they make better their laws and make a stable global economie it just can applie from a world with ideal economies sopa and pipa.
but if one can buy all original things with out economic inconvenience. it will do but in the case of the Third World countries can not count on having all the original layers but I'm convinced (nearly all original preferred) and pagarin that. If a song about not at least indifference wing should be more flexible and not pay for itself with convenience.
ejm no breakfast 3 days to hear a song or not sharing the little one rest day when you really stressed out or share a meal. Unlike other very luxurious eat every day. All in a sacrifice is not having the opportunity to share a meal a little more expensive just your birthday. 1 a year while others daily.
respect intellectual property does not mean you pay with a convenience or money you can save opportunities. besides if one has enough money of their economic status Relations, there would buy all original no doubt whatsoever. but for those who can not not have to sacrifice something larger or simply more necessary
Brad - I need some venture capital - contact me - or go to aircellcall website - over 250 million cell phone users - Arab Emirates wants me to deploy it in Dubai but I need venture capital.
I think that if content becomes practically free that it will create a better environment for said content to actually be good in order to do very well. No more shit-tastic movies grossing huge dollars because they heavily invested in CGI at the expense of a truly compelling story- same with music (couh*metalica*cough). A massive gross will require that the content be lastingly popular AND broadly appealing- not one or the other.
the debate of copyright should end with a simple question: Did you create this? If the answer is yes, you may make money on it. If the answer is no, then you may not make money on it. if you do, you are guilty of theft.
He makes a good point about the internet essentially being built up to what it is today on the backs of the common users. To those who want to fight over content rights, the same can be said for every idea man comes to; they were built on the entire population. The evolution of language and ideas makes the next step more accessible to the next generation. There's no such thing as a wholly 'original' idea. We all owe a grand debt to the species and own nothing individually.
There's more to those legislations than that. Do you guys know that CBS is mainly responsible for BitTorrent and others? Seriously, you should look for such things.
a 60 year old lawier cannot understand how the internet works, the morons who put sopa and pipa together never really inderstood what they were doing, they were just old people who didn't really know how to use the internet correctly probably and so they just saw using forein content as stealing and took it as an excuse to put up these laws in order for the us goverment to control the internet.
You should have watched the hearings for it on C-span, it was hilarious. Nobody in that room had no idea what they were talking about and were parading their assumptions as if they were fact.
Here's why SOPA and PIPA should never be considered: Companies/Artists should work harder on creating MASTERPIECES that, even if i've already seen them, i go ahead and buy their shit. Doing this, bad movies/music or material in general would be reduced to the best of the best, the bad gets poorer, and the good gets richer. But in our part, we should not be assholes and pay for shit that's good to support it!
I had the option of downloading a DRM free album that I love or buying it for 5 dollars and supporting the artists I'm now a fan of. I bought the album because it was good and being an artist doesn't always mean "job security."
@FreeTh1nk3r If one more person gets involved in this conflict, you're're going to need a lawyer -- oh, shit, I just involved in this, didn't I? We need a lawyer now...
@FreeTh1nk3r What about the the rest of the population? Just your friends doesn't really count as a survey hahah! music isn't free because it's profitable, if it was free music would completely change. More people would product for joy not gain, the music itself would be different. These fat cats are making you think they own you, that you need to pay for the pleasure of listening to 'there' music. Well you don't, copyright laws are there to protect money, not inteligent property...
@FudgeY1337 metcallica and numerous other bands wouldn't have gotten famous if not for bootleg audio tapes decks. Everyone knows they make the money on merchandise and 150 dollar concerts. By what you're saying if I play acoustic guitar for a group at open mic night I should charge them for their time and if they say no then they should go to prison. That is not the way spread music... Music, like water, should be free.
@FreeTh1nk3r yer that's what i'm saying!... music should be free! lol i think we both thought the other thought music shouldn't be free, free music ftw :) x
@WildBuck007 sure, some people still buy cds, dvds and so on. but 90%? absolutely not. and i don't know where you live, i'm guessing USA? I live in Argentina and believe me... nobody buys original cds anymore. the biggest (and only) chain of music & dvd stores in Argentina has been loosing money year after year and is about to close completely. Even in Switzerland, where i grew up, there barely are any music stores, compared to some 10 years ago.
Products of any media are proportionally purchased and not had for free. As in, not what they consider "pirated".
Look at ITunes or some other media outlet. People do buy these products more than you obviously think to the contrary.
As I pointed out. If this was not the case. You wouldn't have any businesses of any kind surrounding such forms of media. The physical stored has nothing to do with this.
@WildBuck007 so they're just all making stuff up. I get it now, thanks. record labels just pretend to go bankrupt. artists just pretend their income is almost exclusively based on touring and live appearances. all a big hoax! there is no piracy issue at all, and it doesn't affect the publisher nor the artists at all. thank you for making me understand.
this is one perspective, but the more important perspective has to do with the democratization of information that the internet has provided us and the gov't attempts to regulate it or make it less affordable seems like a tactic against said democratization, like an attempt to regain control of the information that is available to everyone, especially the poor
@BoricuaChiTown I wouldn't equate movies and music as "information" that is automatically available to everyone for free. It costs money to produce art (or in some cases "commercial product"), but this "information" is not essential for democracy to function.
@Athrun000 well, actually, i believe they are doing this to silence us. the internet is a big reason why we have heard about important bills, and a great way to get the community to oppose these terrible bills. and also, ron paul is VERY popular on the internet, this is where his fame is coming from. if it werent for the internet, he would still be unnoticed, as the gov/media/etc seems to want him to be.
I'm all for combating piracy but SOPA is not the way to do it. SOPA is like using a nuke to stop a burglar. Yes, you'll get the burglar, but you'll get the entire neighborhood along with him.
Thanks Congress, send any and all incumbents packing this Nov. The end of the internet as we know it-if passed- and then exclusively for the ones who can afford it.
I think the essential problem here is that some people either don't understand or refuse to accept that the information and intellectual property markets are fundamentally different now than they were a few years ago. The companies now pushing SOPA still believe they live in a world where all media is made from the top down and distribution is necessarily slow and costly; if they tried to adapt to the effects of new telecom technologies rather than stop them they'd stand to make a fortune.
@Definistrator I think the essential problem here is people either don't understand or refuse to accept that intellectual property is still intellectual property, even when it is transmitted over the internet or stored on a hard drive! The distribution channels may have changed, but the law stays the same. SOPA is an attempt to correct the situation of weak to almost zero enforcement of copyright infringement on the internet. If you have an alternative, I'd love to hear it!
@DevinThomas I think the entities behind SOPA are looking at things from the wrong angle. I don't mean to say that the new nature of the market negates the value of IP- it certainly doesn't- but that it changes the way it must be dealt with, much like video cassettes did when they first appeared. Although doing so at first may be difficult and expensive, restructuring media production and distribution (can't be specific due to space constraints) in response to these changes presents opportunity.
I just love how corrupt this system is haha, with so much vehement opposition to these bills from practically everyone who isn't in the film industry, how is this bill still in congress? The answer is money, its not a battle between two rich kids its a battle between the rich kids of the entertainment industry and us the public; rich kids like google will survive so they don't mind, but these "politicians" are getting paid hefty sums and given bonuses to keep SOPA an PIPA in congress by the rich
They have enough money as it is, actors still make millions, scriptwriters still get paid obscene amounts for blockbuster movies; and yet theyre not satisfied, they want every single penny their products make and couldn't give to sheets about the love of film or music or whatever... sigh whatever
@donkisiko Not everyone works on blockbuster movies or gets paid big bucks! If you don't like the system, write your own script and make your own movie - without any money of course. Just do it for the love of it. I'm sure you can find a whole crew of people to help you including free actors, free set builders, free lighting crew, free camera people, free editors, free special effects, free catering, etc. Then put it up on YouTube so Google can make millions on advertising and pay you nothing!
True true not everyone makes big bucks, but show me proof that the small time movie makers actually lose out substantially from the current system? And even then that's not my issue, copyright is a good thing and people should pay for movies etc. but the way they are going about is just wrong in my opinion, its coming out at the cost of others and will ultimately restrict freedom of expression on the net. Maybe I came across the wrong way but my point still stands, its the industry
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@DevinThomas *Clap clap clap* You deserve an enormous applause, because you have absolutely succeeded in trolling. GREAT TROLL, man. Great troll.
Deivi1753 2 days ago
@SpiderShane1
Your comment may cause a misconception that fighting for freedom means losing guitar,
which is NOT true
Please also note that freedom gives you freedom and also guitar.
lolnameless 1 week ago
Remove america from the map and make 80% of the lawyers around the world unemployed. ;)
That's almost close not being an exaggeration/joke...
Arnalion 1 week ago
death to sopa!!!!!!!!!
elissbern 1 week ago
Hmmm, I question this guy's argument. If this would be such a bad thing for innovation and competitors of names like google, then why are all those big names against this legislation? If it's really no big deal to them, why fight it at all? Seems like they're giving google and facebook a free barrier-to-entry. There has to be something more to this, I can't really believe that all those corporations had a flash of integrity that suddenly made them want to fight for their future competitors.
bweazel 1 week ago
@bweazel Just because they can put forth 100 lawyers to fight something does not mean it they will win immediately. Takes time and still takes effort and in the end they are paying for 100 lawyers. Be easier to rally public to their cause and prevent it out right. Just because a big company has the means to throw money at a problem does not mean they want to.
MrMadoc 1 week ago
@MrMadoc Well that's pretty much completely opposite of what he was arguing, he's saying because they are such a big company, that Google doesn't worry about this legislation. He's saying that Google and the rest of the people that were against it did it out of the kindness of their hearts
bweazel 1 week ago
1337 likes :D
beyourhero2 2 weeks ago
It's funny because intellectual property law nowadays suppresses innovation more than fostering it. It's stupid and hypocritical for Disney to have pushed for ridiculous copyright protection durations, to prevent people from doing the very thing that made Disney popular: ripping off stories for children. People who complain that they're not going to get paid for playing music are missing the whole point. The very thing that would supposedly "protect" you would also force you to pay for a lawyer.
capefeather 3 weeks ago
why do people dislike these vids? wtf do they expect? a degree? for sitting through very interesting and informative opinions that they really didnt have to pay for, its just crazy. even if you disagree, he still makes a good point.
mikeylikesit2675 3 weeks ago
This video ties together with the type 1 society video in terms of how people that are old and don't understand the core of the internet's purpose tries to stop or make innovation within the internet much more expensive which to me is certainly unacceptable because overall older generations will die out and a new generation takes its place and so on...
emptyskullify 3 weeks ago
This video ties together with the type 1 society video in terms of how people that are old and don't understand the core of the internet's purpose tries to stop or make innovation within the internet much more expensive which to me is certainly unacceptable because overall older generations will die out and a new generation takes its place and so on....
emptyskullify 3 weeks ago
Sooooo.... did anyone else see the thumb nail for this and see Steve Jobs?
loafmasta87 4 weeks ago
SOPA was a distraction wake up people. ACTA was signed in october! The EU signed on with ACTA on friday. google is already taking action. look it up. infowars.com
xantron420 4 weeks ago
If SOPA passes it will have an effect on piracy for a few years until fully anonymous p2p takes over. The negative effects of it would last for tens of years or more.
sergrojGrayFace 1 month ago in playlist Другие видео от пользователя bigthink
so did we win?
11STANE11 1 month ago
arrrrrrggghhh.....totally agree it's a backward step like "NO MORE FREE PORN!!!!" back to buying magazines and DVD's
Jamac007 1 month ago
*applause*
MrOnairos 1 month ago
"each man his own nation" a star trek utopia is what i envision for humanity's future
JuanchoMan 1 month ago
ok but if people doesnt like it why keep at it, , study search who is doing this and make them back off freedom.
chukaz1 1 month ago
I'm a musician. You say I need to retrain myself to make money with my intellectual property? What about having people STOP stealing my intellectual property? You say the internet isn't the problem? The internet makes it SUPER EASY for people to STEAL an artist's work! Are people going to respect copyrights without ANY enforcement? It hasn't happened yet! Google has done NOTHING to protect artists. Google profits from pirate sites and has NO incentive to do anything about the problem!
DevinThomas 1 month ago
@DevinThomas Couldn't you argue that the internet also PROMOTES your music and generates more interest into your music which in-turn generate more profit for you? Since it is SUPER EASY to watch music on the internet...
nuggetsww 1 month ago 4
@nuggetsww The internet promotes music but it also teaches people that everything should be free. Why should people buy music when it's online for free? Before the internet came along, people bought CDs and DVDs in stores. Those stores have gone out of business in case you haven't noticed.
DevinThomas 3 weeks ago
@DevinThomas Personally, I buy CD's because owning an actual CD feels more genuine, but I never buy one before actually listening to the music first. I can safely say that downloading music makes me buy more CD's, rather than less. On a second note, I don't think you're getting how bad SOPA and PIPA are (or maybe I should say ACTA, since that's the new thing). If ACTA goes through, sites like Facebook, Youtube, all forums and all social sites will be made illegal.
CatDarkeye 3 weeks ago
@DevinThomas Continued: If you put up a video of a party with music playing in the background on a site, not only is the video illegal, the government can sue the site for it. So, when we fight against ACTA, SOPA or PIPA, we don't fight for our ability to download stuff, we fight for our freedom of speech and expression. As for your financial problems, I suggest you adapt. There was a time when the people had to adapt to the market, and not the other way around. It's called the dark ages.
CatDarkeye 3 weeks ago
@CatDarkeye I don't think that what you say is true, but even if it is, what makes you think you automatically have the right to post anything you want to? We have laws that protect intellectual property and those laws don't go away just because we have an internet now. And yes I agree, we seem to be entering a new dark age where true creativity is no longer rewarded.
DevinThomas 3 weeks ago
@DevinThomas You come across as very bitter tbh. True creativity is no longer rewarded, are you implying that it was before the internet? Because that is bs, why do you think there so many Britney Spear clones, who's marketed as this generations Madonna? Better yet, hiphop and gangsterrap, a few pioneers started it, without money, selling tapes for a small fee, now that genre is dominating the music industry, because it sells. cont.
DodoPandemic 3 weeks ago
@DevinThomas cont. With the internet indie musicians can take care of distribution, publicity and exposure without getting dictated by large recording labels that they must play music that can be sold. Ever wonder why on some albums from selling underground artist there was always one single that had that commercial feel? To make it easier pluggable and accessible to the mainstream. You even do it yourself, looking at your channel and your uploads. How is this not beneficial to creativity?
DodoPandemic 3 weeks ago
@DodoPandemic I agree that someone shouldn't just copy your clips from your channel and sell it, but having the goverment setup a law to sue sites on which normal users express themselves as a side effect is not helping. Youtube can't even check all the dmca claims made, because they're made by clever programming, song on the radio in the background gets dmca'd without any human interference. Game industry does fine, dc cuts back on manufacturing costs, why can't the music industry do the same?
DodoPandemic 3 weeks ago
@DevinThomas errm, i half agree, true creativity isnt necessarily rewarded properly, instead its a vicious corporate cycle both on the side of the industry, where acts that can only be vetted and marketed to the masses will be advertised and promoted, and a cultural issue where people who have no taste, or sense of self, devour what record companies have carefully, purposefully crafted to be sold to those who buy without much discernment. so now its bloated with garbage, no room for real artists
mikeylikesit2675 3 weeks ago
@DevinThomas What makes you think you have the right to censor certain times of peoples' lives just because music someone played is going on in the background? This argument goes both ways, please stop being so one sided and self centered.
It's no longer rewarded by greedy corporations who use law and lobbying to control the market and raise barriers to entry. It's rewarded by the people whenever you put on a concert.
bweazel 1 week ago
@DevinThomas man i've heard about the artists who got rich because of the internet if u dont know how to use it that's ur problem not OURs. igorpres one of the quite many who got money for tour, album ... because of this site and internet. FREE INTERNET is only but only thing left that's FREE in our lives cut of that and we will be puppets.
11STANE11 1 month ago
@DevinThomas So you're proposing that we lose our freedoms so you can make money playing your guitar?
Get real.
SpiderShane1 4 weeks ago 18
@SpiderShane1 Get real? Why don't YOU get real? How much music have you actually paid for? You have no idea what you are talking about. Losing your freedom? What does that even mean? Losing your freedom to STEAL music and films?
DevinThomas 3 weeks ago
@DevinThomas You should make music because you like to, not because you want to be rich. Music should be free for everyone, and if you think otherwise, you probably make shitty pop music that I wouldn't want to listen to anyway.
SpiderShane1 3 weeks ago
@SpiderShane1 I guess it's all about you and what you consider music to be, huh? What if someone likes to work on cars? Should I expect them to work on my car for free? And if they refuse, I call them greedy? They say working on cars is fun, but also a lot of work, but I say it should be FREE "for everyone", so I guess I win the argument because the world should be the way I say it should be. This is your LOGIC?! You have a lot of nerve and if you think otherwise, you haven't taken a good look!
DevinThomas 3 weeks ago
@DevinThomas I love when artists try to compare their work to someone's physical labor. Makes me want to go out and seed all the albums I can find. What you meant to say was, if you felt like filming him working on your car then he notifies you that you can't because that's his IP. Now, it'd be a different story if you were turning around and trying to sell that as instructional videos, but you miss the entire point, it's just sharing. You selfishly call it stealing.
bweazel 1 week ago
@bweazel I love it when no talent losers like YOU with ZERO creativity try to make a point about something that you are clueless about. Stealing is stealing no matter how much you try to rationalize it. Oh I forgot music is supposed to be free, huh? So how come I had to pay for, my keyboards, guitars, recording gear, music lessons, etc.? I guess I just forgot to STEAL everything like YOU!
DevinThomas 1 week ago
@DevinThomas Sorry to burst your bubble. It is free. ;)
How come you had to pay for those things? Because they're actual products, actual services, etc. Stop acting like I'm hiring you for a gig. We're just listening to some music. If you're wondering why you're struggling as an artist, look no further than your attitude on art.
bweazel 1 week ago
@DevinThomas Devin Thomas you are a d*ck anyone who steals your music is doing the world a favor.
doggod106 3 days ago
@DevinThomas Well, let's see. Since a very large part of that industry's revenue comes from ad revenue and licensing fees that other people pay for, which is included in the price of the other product when I buy it, I would say I've "paid" them. It's a closed loop, man. Especially with industries heavily dependent on ad revenue. Oh, don't worry. We'll never lose our freedom to share, regardless of what you want.
bweazel 1 week ago
@DevinThomas you really know nothing about SOPA and PIPA. Hollywood was pushing it to keep from having their material pirated (like they are so poor and losing money) but that was the frontrunners. It was the problems with the government convicting you without a trial without notifying you and shutting your site down when all it takes is one person to falsely accuse your site. Then it could hurt businesses that make money from ads online that have companies that may or may not be...
physicswizrd86 4 weeks ago
@physicswizrd86 Stop repeating what others have told you! What you are saying isn't true! What you say makes no sense. Not everyone who makes music or films is RICH. People are losing money from pirates and it is indefensible. And YEAH sites SHOULD get shut down if they are pirates. Besides nothing can happen unless it goes before a judge and is reviewed. Don't you believe in due process which is the cornerstone of democracy? People who create CONTENT should be paid, not RIPPED OFF!!!
DevinThomas 4 weeks ago
@DevinThomas No, you are not losing money from pirates, because no one listens to your music anyways. And really, the big names aren't losing money either. They still do concerts, and if they made a good contract, get all that money. If you make good music, and are popular, you will be successful. It seems that you are trying to blame your lack of skill on piracy. How pathetic.
And if you make good music, you should be able to sell out a stadium. Can you?
bweazel 1 week ago
@bweazel You sound bitter, angy and very defensive. Maybe you are ashamed of how much music you have stolen and feeling guilty about it?
DevinThomas 1 week ago
@DevinThomas I sound bitter? Hahah, ok *pat pat pat* Nope. I don't feel guilty at all. I go to live concerts and performances all the time, so it's not like I don't support the arts. What I won't do is support an obsolete supply chain that does nothing but inflate the cost of art. Actually. I feel pretty good knowing I haven't given them any money. You ever get good enough and well known enough to do live concerts, I'll probably give you money too. That is if you're any good....
bweazel 1 week ago
@DevinThomas I never bought albums before mp3s, that's not to say I didn't enjoy music. It's just never been valuable enough to me to purchase a hard copy or an entire album. Even then you could record songs you like off of the radio (which is perfectly legal if you need a reminder). If you don't even realize free advertising and promotion when you see it, you, nor the archaic business model you cling to will ever make it.
bweazel 1 week ago
@DevinThomas Some people like the album experience. Having a hard copy in their hand, some pics inside the case of tours and storys, lyrics, etc. (which you industry really doesn't even do anymore) I'm not one of those people, I could care less about the artist, I just want the art, to view or listen, not to own. You're behaving as though a copy of that has been stolen. No one's stolen anything from you, you have not been deprived of any money you spent to make a certain product.
bweazel 1 week ago
@DevinThomas You assume people buy things because they have to... well guess what some people buy things because they want to like to support the creator for instance. (mind you neither of my comments are specific replies they just reply to the entire argument)
doggod106 3 days ago
@DevinThomas Don't YOU believe in due process? You're the one saying that every single person who hears music they didn't pay for is a thief. You don't even care about their motives. You don't care if they were introducing a friend to a new band (which is good for you), you don't care about any of that, you just selfishly care that you get paid. The guy trying to treat all people as criminals is talking about due process. Ha, that's rich.
bweazel 1 week ago
@physicswizrd86 Stop repeating what others have told you! What you are saying isn't true! What you say makes no sense. Not everyone who makes music or films is RICH. People are losing money from pirates and it is indefensible. And YEAH sites SHOULD get shut down if they are pirates. Besides nothing can happen unless it goes before a judge and is reviewed. Don't you believe in due process which is the cornerstone of democracy? People who create CONTENT should be paid, not RIPPED OFF!!!
DevinThomas 4 weeks ago
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@physicswizrd86 Stop repeating what others have told you! What you are saying isn't true! What you say makes no sense. Not everyone who makes music or films is RICH. People are losing money from pirates and it is indefensible. And YEAH sites SHOULD get shut down if they are pirates. Besides nothing can happen unless it goes before a judge and is reviewed. Don't you believe in due process which is the cornerstone of democracy? People who create CONTENT should be paid, not RIPPED OFF!
DevinThomas 4 weeks ago
@physicswizrd86 maybe you should read something about SOPA & PIPA to... i laughed
MegaTafe 4 weeks ago
@physicswizrd86 SOPA and PIPA really have nothing to do with hollywood. It just have everything to do with piracy, copying and illegaly hosting content u do not own. What SOPA does is that it locks its access away from US users. Thats basicly all. What comes to services being torn down, is because it found place in the US. It was a US service, so SOPA can legaly put the site down. However, SOPA cannot do anything to piratebay because its not an US service.
MegaTafe 4 weeks ago
@MegaTafe i know i messed up or well described it wrong. its when they make your site sort of unfindable by us users. when i say hollywood its because they are pushing for it with illegal downloads of movies and music which P2P caused the biggest problem. but they are wanting that to be the foundation for this act, and then add to it more control. it will be used on companies whose ads are on websites that bring revenue to a company for views but might have access to that content.
physicswizrd86 4 weeks ago
@MegaTafe i know all about it. but if it is blocking access to your site than it is basically shutting your site down. and they dont have to have a trial with you there or notify you. so how am i wrong. hollywood is pushing for it because of their content and that makes it seem ok. but this can block many useful sites, and the government wants to add in that they can do this to sites that may seem against the government like wiki leaks
physicswizrd86 4 weeks ago
@MegaTafe who is to say that the government won't use this to shut down the internet like china did. I think there are a few other countries that have shut down the internet for a few days too.
physicswizrd86 4 weeks ago
@DevinThomas 1.my internet is a internet where you can do whatever you want.
2.isnt the goal of an artist to tell their message to the most people possible while money is a side effect?or are you just a guy who plays music without any reasons other than making money??
3.i steal music from people i dont like...then i realise i like them and i end up buying it out of respect for the artist.
4.maybe you should concentrate on making good content instead of worrying about how much money you make.
DIVAD291 4 weeks ago
@DIVAD291 5.scientist dont make a lot of money
scientist make incredible breaktrough that changes how we see the world everyday and give us hope that tomorow can be better than today.
artists make an instrument invented by scientists make a sound.
artists have fame,glory,and a lot of money...
6.the guy who wants to start a company on the internet is in the same situation as you...so what is so special about you that we should help you instead of him?
DIVAD291 4 weeks ago
@DIVAD291 7.the guy who wants to start a company may actually improve the world we live in a little bit...while the 'artists' will entertain us a little.
8.if piracy is totally removed small artists like you will get no publicity and you will end up poorer than you already are.
9.in other words...without that piracy that you hate your nothing dickwad.
DIVAD291 4 weeks ago
@DIVAD291 1. No, it isn't. You can't break the law just because you do it on the internet. 2. Sorry, but who are you to tell me how I should make a living? Why don't you do YOUR job for free? 3. Why should you suddenly respect an artist and buy their work when you just said they shouldn't be worried about making any money? Besides if you really respect someone, you don't steal from them! 4. Why don't YOU concentrate of making sense! P.S. I make good "content" thank you, but people prefer junk!
DevinThomas 3 weeks ago
@DevinThomas 2.im actually already doing my job for free(i get food and a place to live but thats pretty much it)
3.money for an artist should be a mean to get their message across to more people.not the opposite.
how do i respect someone before even seeing what they do?...a blind leap of faith is not something i enjoy doing.
4.there is nothing to say here...except that i agree people have shitty taste in music...and i encourage you to stay true to yourself.
DIVAD291 3 weeks ago
@DevinThomas Pirated your album. you mad bro? you mad?
Ixillius 3 days ago
@DIVAD291 He's the guy that plays music for no other reason than money, which is why he isn't making any, which is the entire problem with their industry.
All points, well said.
bweazel 1 week ago
@DevinThomas A 100 years ago, you wouldn't have THOUGHT of being a musician because most of them were incredibly unsuccessful.
EXPELLIDAVRA 2 weeks ago
@EXPELLIDAVRA A mere 30 years ago musicians made MORE money than now. People who hire working musicians for weddings, parties, etc. still pay 1980 wages now and musician's pay has NOT gone up with the cost of living. Oh, and by the way, musicians could actually make and sell their own CDs at gigs and people would actually BUY them and not download them for free on the internet! So, I don't know what you are talking about!
DevinThomas 2 weeks ago
@DevinThomas To do all those things you just mentioned you need recognition. The internet makes it much easier to get recognition.
EXPELLIDAVRA 1 week ago
@DevinThomas And you don't think that has anything to do with a saturated market for musicians? You're right. Poor, poor music industry. I feel so sorry for them and their draconian methods of trying to dictate to people and control the entire world's music industry.
I pirate music to kill the unnecessary and obsolete supply chain that is weighing down on all of you as artists. You should be against them too.
bweazel 1 week ago
@DevinThomas No body is stealing anything from you. They're just not giving you money they probably wouldn't have given you anyways. Huge difference.
bweazel 1 week ago
wannabe hipster intellectuals with poorly based arguments all over these videos.
dikiewithersat85 1 month ago
@dikiewithersat85 To read between the lines of this comment: You are indicating that you are smarter than most people here, which makes you different than most people here...
Oh, and the first letter of the sentence is lowercase, so I can safely say (unless you are having a bad day) that you are the one who looks the most like a wannabe hipster intellectual (but I'm guessing you're just a troll).
CatDarkeye 3 weeks ago
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CatDarkeye 3 weeks ago
@dikiewithersat85 Oh, and did I mention that the only base of your "argument" is... well, that you think so...
CatDarkeye 3 weeks ago
people should know that the internet is a direct copy of our earth.
no offense to SOPA and the others, but they technically were dictators.
so youtube,
im here to tell you that we're going to be telling our children this epic battle we faced.
FromFame 1 month ago
Now there is ACTA
tuck295q 1 month ago
If you don't have bureaucracy, you can't steal from the country.
That's why they don't like the internet.
DesertFoxKG 1 month ago
facebook is a robbery institution that steals your information and data to make money with.
facebook and such companies that shit on you should be brought down now!
captainhanky 1 month ago
I swear to god I saw Steve Jobs in the thumbnail !!
HamzaVids 1 month ago
I'd like to see his take on ACTA since it's basicly the same thing but 100 times worse
ferentus2 1 month ago
Wonderfully explained.
HiAdrian 1 month ago
dont forget about acta.
ksungjin10 1 month ago
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they shut down what was it, mega upload. They'll eventually ruin the net anyway while turning it into a pure shopping mall and social network that spies on you for the government intelligence agencies and credit card companies and stores you shop at, companies you buy shit from.
S2Cents 1 month ago
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S2Cents 1 month ago
4 peolpe don't realize that had SOPA fully passed, this site wouldn't exist
dactree 1 month ago 70
@dactree wasn't it "shelved" extremely recentlyand also this "site" belongs to google do you really think that they would allow such a big system just to disappear just saying that it would still be here it would just be more strict.
TheTravelingnight 1 month ago
@TheTravelingnight sorry forgot you said had im just abit tired
TheTravelingnight 1 month ago
Nifty... Haha
CrimsonSnowman7 1 month ago
so congres can not jum to tipy 2 civitation or tipe 1 before they make better their laws and make a stable global economie it just can applie from a world with ideal economies sopa and pipa.
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@dgslayer08 well said
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but if one can buy all original things with out economic inconvenience. it will do but in the case of the Third World countries can not count on having all the original layers but I'm convinced (nearly all original preferred) and pagarin that. If a song about not at least indifference wing should be more flexible and not pay for itself with convenience.
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ejm no breakfast 3 days to hear a song or not sharing the little one rest day when you really stressed out or share a meal. Unlike other very luxurious eat every day. All in a sacrifice is not having the opportunity to share a meal a little more expensive just your birthday. 1 a year while others daily.
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respect intellectual property does not mean you pay with a convenience or money you can save opportunities. besides if one has enough money of their economic status Relations, there would buy all original no doubt whatsoever. but for those who can not not have to sacrifice something larger or simply more necessary
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Brad - I need some venture capital - contact me - or go to aircellcall website - over 250 million cell phone users - Arab Emirates wants me to deploy it in Dubai but I need venture capital.
iamdavinci 1 month ago
I think that if content becomes practically free that it will create a better environment for said content to actually be good in order to do very well. No more shit-tastic movies grossing huge dollars because they heavily invested in CGI at the expense of a truly compelling story- same with music (couh*metalica*cough). A massive gross will require that the content be lastingly popular AND broadly appealing- not one or the other.
Then again I don't know much of anything :)
TheOmegadusk 1 month ago
the debate of copyright should end with a simple question: Did you create this? If the answer is yes, you may make money on it. If the answer is no, then you may not make money on it. if you do, you are guilty of theft.
9fires 1 month ago
it was a good run. Just let it go people
waveorange345 1 month ago
He makes a good point about the internet essentially being built up to what it is today on the backs of the common users. To those who want to fight over content rights, the same can be said for every idea man comes to; they were built on the entire population. The evolution of language and ideas makes the next step more accessible to the next generation. There's no such thing as a wholly 'original' idea. We all owe a grand debt to the species and own nothing individually.
urcorrect 1 month ago
How can Hollywood feed on the powerless when their cups already over filled?
KatoKid85 1 month ago
@KatoKid85 because they're addicted to money.
blackcorvo 1 month ago
I dont mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence.
KatoKid85 1 month ago
And please, thumb my previous comment up if you may, people do need to see this.
Thank you very much!
fabaum22 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
There's more to those legislations than that. Do you guys know that CBS is mainly responsible for BitTorrent and others? Seriously, you should look for such things.
/watch?v=NzS5rSvZXe8&feature=relmfu
fabaum22 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
a 60 year old lawier cannot understand how the internet works, the morons who put sopa and pipa together never really inderstood what they were doing, they were just old people who didn't really know how to use the internet correctly probably and so they just saw using forein content as stealing and took it as an excuse to put up these laws in order for the us goverment to control the internet.
simon199418 1 month ago 32
@simon199418 Amen.
vargavision 1 month ago
@simon199418 oh yes they did...
TheMagnificentPony 1 month ago
@simon199418
You should have watched the hearings for it on C-span, it was hilarious. Nobody in that room had no idea what they were talking about and were parading their assumptions as if they were fact.
117ty 1 month ago
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Here's why SOPA and PIPA should never be considered: Companies/Artists should work harder on creating MASTERPIECES that, even if i've already seen them, i go ahead and buy their shit. Doing this, bad movies/music or material in general would be reduced to the best of the best, the bad gets poorer, and the good gets richer. But in our part, we should not be assholes and pay for shit that's good to support it!
nahuelfantino 1 month ago
Look at livemocha(dot)com it is basically users teaching each other how to speak a language...ANY language.
ShoelessJoeK 1 month ago
The internet is an informing, innovating and equalising force. Governments fear information, innovation and equality.
666deadman1988 1 month ago
Did you guys kno SOPA means Soup in Spanish? Hahaha
TheMarioMen1 1 month ago
POWER - all those awesome people on wallstreet ... think about it, this took a DAY!
blueflameart 1 month ago
SOPA = Internet censorship PERIOD!
1madaboutguitar 1 month ago
@1madaboutguitar You are misinformed PERIOD!
DevinThomas 3 weeks ago
@DevinThomas Piss off TROLL
1madaboutguitar 3 weeks ago
I had the option of downloading a DRM free album that I love or buying it for 5 dollars and supporting the artists I'm now a fan of. I bought the album because it was good and being an artist doesn't always mean "job security."
MutleeIsTheAntiGod 1 month ago
90% of the people that like an album or movie, usually buy the said item.
FreeTh1nk3r 1 month ago 58
@FreeTh1nk3r That's because they're retarded.
buzzin1975 1 month ago
@buzzin1975 i thought it was because they have jobs and want the artist they love to put food on the table
FreeTh1nk3r 1 month ago
@FreeTh1nk3r
You really think that?
funincluded 1 month ago
@funincluded yea, you're right. Music makes itself and artists don't eat food. /sarcasm
FreeTh1nk3r 1 month ago
@FreeTh1nk3r
How do you go from the fact that musicians eat to "90% of people who like an album or movie buy it"?
/madeupnumbers
funincluded 1 month ago
@FreeTh1nk3r If one more person gets involved in this conflict, you're're going to need a lawyer -- oh, shit, I just involved in this, didn't I? We need a lawyer now...
Rarae192 1 month ago
@FreeTh1nk3r lol, i dont think so.
zidanetribal00042 1 month ago
@FreeTh1nk3r what is your source for this fact? cause to me that sounds wrong.
FudgeY1337 1 month ago
@FudgeY1337 Your grammar is wrong. I showed all my friends this video, and I counted 1 jerk who insists on pirating music off pirate bay.
FreeTh1nk3r 1 month ago
@FreeTh1nk3r ... that is so horribly wrong.
StuntChickenAu 1 month ago
@FreeTh1nk3r What about the the rest of the population? Just your friends doesn't really count as a survey hahah! music isn't free because it's profitable, if it was free music would completely change. More people would product for joy not gain, the music itself would be different. These fat cats are making you think they own you, that you need to pay for the pleasure of listening to 'there' music. Well you don't, copyright laws are there to protect money, not inteligent property...
FudgeY1337 1 month ago
@FudgeY1337 metcallica and numerous other bands wouldn't have gotten famous if not for bootleg audio tapes decks. Everyone knows they make the money on merchandise and 150 dollar concerts. By what you're saying if I play acoustic guitar for a group at open mic night I should charge them for their time and if they say no then they should go to prison. That is not the way spread music... Music, like water, should be free.
FreeTh1nk3r 1 month ago
@FreeTh1nk3r yer that's what i'm saying!... music should be free! lol i think we both thought the other thought music shouldn't be free, free music ftw :) x
FudgeY1337 1 month ago
@FreeTh1nk3r Hollywood always quotes loss profit numbers, but never quote total profit
HIMISOCOOL 1 month ago in playlist More videos from bigthink
@FreeTh1nk3r absolutely not true.
phezla 1 month ago
@phezla
Actually it is true. The business selling said products would never be in business if numbers were not so high of people buying said products.
In short. You do not make 1 billion dollars on a product that cost 200 million to make. If said product didn't legitimately sell. Period.
WildBuck007 1 month ago
@WildBuck007 sure, some people still buy cds, dvds and so on. but 90%? absolutely not. and i don't know where you live, i'm guessing USA? I live in Argentina and believe me... nobody buys original cds anymore. the biggest (and only) chain of music & dvd stores in Argentina has been loosing money year after year and is about to close completely. Even in Switzerland, where i grew up, there barely are any music stores, compared to some 10 years ago.
phezla 1 month ago
@phezla
Products of any media are proportionally purchased and not had for free. As in, not what they consider "pirated".
Look at ITunes or some other media outlet. People do buy these products more than you obviously think to the contrary.
As I pointed out. If this was not the case. You wouldn't have any businesses of any kind surrounding such forms of media. The physical stored has nothing to do with this.
WildBuck007 1 month ago
@WildBuck007 so they're just all making stuff up. I get it now, thanks. record labels just pretend to go bankrupt. artists just pretend their income is almost exclusively based on touring and live appearances. all a big hoax! there is no piracy issue at all, and it doesn't affect the publisher nor the artists at all. thank you for making me understand.
phezla 1 month ago
BTW...anybody else think that he looks like Barney Stinson
Athrun000 1 month ago
SOPA is delayed
quangluu96 1 month ago
internet is fucked. the ship is going down. I aint waiting to jump ship either, peace fuckers.
deneco4 1 month ago
this is one perspective, but the more important perspective has to do with the democratization of information that the internet has provided us and the gov't attempts to regulate it or make it less affordable seems like a tactic against said democratization, like an attempt to regain control of the information that is available to everyone, especially the poor
BoricuaChiTown 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@BoricuaChiTown I wouldn't equate movies and music as "information" that is automatically available to everyone for free. It costs money to produce art (or in some cases "commercial product"), but this "information" is not essential for democracy to function.
DevinThomas 3 weeks ago
By the way... even if SOPA goes through... Youtube, facebook, wikipedia and your favorite pornsite... is not gonna be affected...!
Just putting it out that.. just in case you do not understand the situation..!
Athrun000 1 month ago
@Athrun000 i would love an explanation for that. the bill is so vague in the writing that they can and will block huge websites
Devourered 1 month ago
@Devourered You really think that facebook would get affect considering Governments are using it for campaigns...
Maybe the torrents downloads would be affected... but most website wouldn't be hit..
Athrun000 1 month ago
@Athrun000 well, actually, i believe they are doing this to silence us. the internet is a big reason why we have heard about important bills, and a great way to get the community to oppose these terrible bills. and also, ron paul is VERY popular on the internet, this is where his fame is coming from. if it werent for the internet, he would still be unnoticed, as the gov/media/etc seems to want him to be.
Devourered 1 month ago 3
I'm all for combating piracy but SOPA is not the way to do it. SOPA is like using a nuke to stop a burglar. Yes, you'll get the burglar, but you'll get the entire neighborhood along with him.
sexyloser 1 month ago
Thanks Congress, send any and all incumbents packing this Nov. The end of the internet as we know it-if passed- and then exclusively for the ones who can afford it.
Thejbirdy 1 month ago
I think the essential problem here is that some people either don't understand or refuse to accept that the information and intellectual property markets are fundamentally different now than they were a few years ago. The companies now pushing SOPA still believe they live in a world where all media is made from the top down and distribution is necessarily slow and costly; if they tried to adapt to the effects of new telecom technologies rather than stop them they'd stand to make a fortune.
Definistrator 1 month ago 64
@Definistrator You're right bro, they a bunch of lazy ass people.
PreApproved1 1 month ago
@Definistrator You are dead on the money.
vargavision 1 month ago
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@Definistrator yes
yessource2 1 month ago
@Definistrator I think the essential problem here is people either don't understand or refuse to accept that intellectual property is still intellectual property, even when it is transmitted over the internet or stored on a hard drive! The distribution channels may have changed, but the law stays the same. SOPA is an attempt to correct the situation of weak to almost zero enforcement of copyright infringement on the internet. If you have an alternative, I'd love to hear it!
DevinThomas 3 weeks ago
@DevinThomas I think the entities behind SOPA are looking at things from the wrong angle. I don't mean to say that the new nature of the market negates the value of IP- it certainly doesn't- but that it changes the way it must be dealt with, much like video cassettes did when they first appeared. Although doing so at first may be difficult and expensive, restructuring media production and distribution (can't be specific due to space constraints) in response to these changes presents opportunity.
Definistrator 3 weeks ago
I just love how corrupt this system is haha, with so much vehement opposition to these bills from practically everyone who isn't in the film industry, how is this bill still in congress? The answer is money, its not a battle between two rich kids its a battle between the rich kids of the entertainment industry and us the public; rich kids like google will survive so they don't mind, but these "politicians" are getting paid hefty sums and given bonuses to keep SOPA an PIPA in congress by the rich
donkisiko 1 month ago
@donkisiko
They have enough money as it is, actors still make millions, scriptwriters still get paid obscene amounts for blockbuster movies; and yet theyre not satisfied, they want every single penny their products make and couldn't give to sheets about the love of film or music or whatever... sigh whatever
donkisiko 1 month ago
@donkisiko Not everyone works on blockbuster movies or gets paid big bucks! If you don't like the system, write your own script and make your own movie - without any money of course. Just do it for the love of it. I'm sure you can find a whole crew of people to help you including free actors, free set builders, free lighting crew, free camera people, free editors, free special effects, free catering, etc. Then put it up on YouTube so Google can make millions on advertising and pay you nothing!
DevinThomas 3 weeks ago
@DevinThomas
True true not everyone makes big bucks, but show me proof that the small time movie makers actually lose out substantially from the current system? And even then that's not my issue, copyright is a good thing and people should pay for movies etc. but the way they are going about is just wrong in my opinion, its coming out at the cost of others and will ultimately restrict freedom of expression on the net. Maybe I came across the wrong way but my point still stands, its the industry
donkisiko 3 weeks ago