It is funny that the insurance companies is all about profit... yet they have no understanding of the different between symbiotic & parasitic relationship...
Same with wall street bankers... they learn nothing from the Great Depression.
Obama was promoting the idea of public option when he was running for presidency, but he now said it wasnt a big deal. Obama is a puppet, his campaign was funded by Health Insurance companies, do you think he would go against his masters that put him there.
This is great news, this indicates that Healthcare reform will FAIL and Sarah Palin becomes America's NEXT and GREATEST POTUS! Under Palinomics, these stocks will continue to rise even higher than ever before and it will never crash and collapse! Palin will ensure that there is NO government healthcare whatsoever! She will even privatize Veteran's Healthcare along with Medicare and Medicaid as a way to drastically cut spending and spend conservatively!
I hope they try and put the public option back in it for the final vote....that would be awesome. It won't ever make it to the presidents desk for him to sign if that ends up back in there. Which is exactly what needs to happen. If Obama signs off on this the Democrats will lose the Majority in 11 months!
If you want to pass a healthcare bill so badly that you are willing to pass this piece of shit.. ATLEAST TAKE OUT THE MANDATE!!! You are enslaving every american citizen to the greedy insurance companies.. They are vampires with a blood lust. This Bill is ATROCIOUS!
The stock point would seem to be an obvious, and unimportant, one. We're adding 30 million Americans to their income, subsidized by the government. So, yeah, of course their stocks should rise in value.
What we say goes "Noam Chomsky"... All politicians are full of shit. Their money seems to be more important than the country itself. Once they sell everything to CHINA what fucking difference will it make if you have money... NONE!!!
lestliness... I like your gloating. You mean, as is always the case, when "democrats" take over is when real Republican change can occur under that disguise. And the Republicans can then increase their own political/corporatist power using the recoil against the Democrat party.
I don't know why you idiots can't get it through your thick skulls..THERE IS NO PARTY FOR THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON!Republicans and Democrats are opposite cheeks of the same ass. Yes I criticized the democrats in my statement but where did I praise the republicans? Oh you assumed didn't you? Go figure.
I did assume. It was a fair assumption, given that your statement would be read that way by the majority of the readers on this page. Now that you've come out, I can safely say I think you're right, and a third party would be at least a step in the right direction.
First we got sold out by the Republicans, now we're getting sold out by the Democrats... really is anyone that suprised? All politicians are in the business deception for money.
you mean government regulation? the reason the stocks are going up is because they know that it will be mandatory to have health insurance, and without the public option, they know that you will have to buy from a private insurance company. I would call the stocks going up common sense for anyone who has half a brain.
And I'll enjoy capitalism when we get capitalism, right now we have socialism for our health care. We haven't had capitalism in America in about 40-60 years.
We haven't had capitalism in America in about 40-60 years? The health care system as it stands is nothing bur pure, unrelenting capitalism, what are you talking about? The CEOs make money off it, the politicians make money off it.
...hey, it's a free market, you're free to challenge the multi-billion dollar corporations with teams of lobbyists and politicians in their pockets by opening your own small insurance business. What, you think they'll go easy on you? That's not the capitalist spirit.
unrelenting capitalism... right. You might want to look into that. It takes 5+ years to introduce any new technology into the medical field. Think about that, you are being treated with 5 year old software / hardware because of all the regulation. Health care is one of the most regulated, non free enterprise markets we have. That is where the corruption comes from, if anyone could enter into the market, it becomes extremely difficult to control.
I wouldn't treat medical ailments with hardware/software, personally, but i digress...
What you're saying is silly. The regulation works IN FAVOR of creating new technology. Companies won't create new medicines and techs because of the crazy investment. As a result, they demand that they hold an elongated patent on it, meaning no off-brands of any kind. It's like a mini-monopoly, which is pretty much 100% opposite of free-market. If this regulation didn't exist, there would be NO new medicine!
You want the computer that keeps you breathing to be 5 years old?
You really need to look up what regulations are, patients are a form of regulation. To regulate is to put in rules, so the rule that you cannot invent a generic of a brand is a regulation. Zero regulation would mean anyone could copy anyone. Also they do not in the least help, that crazy investment, is the cost to get approved and go through the regulation. Medicine costs almost nothing, regulation costs millions.
"Medicine costs almost nothing, regulation costs millions. "
That's got to be one of the most factually incorrect statements of all time. New medicine costs SO much to research and produce. It would never happen because you could never make a profit without the regulation, as in you won't make your money back by the time the standard patent expires, then the next guy, without investing millions, can just copy it... so who would go first? Nobody. Oops, free competition breakdown, no medicine.
first of all, would you mind showing me where it costs? new medicine costs nothing, as you are required by REGULATIONS to research it and test it. I can pick up a root, grind it in a mort and pestel and produce it as a drug for about 15 bucks start up cost. So 15 bucks to produce a natural drug, but I cannot due to regulations.
As far as patent, you need to look at the history of that, first person to develop has the edge by name. This is how it has always worked, yet there is still innovation
i'm pretty sure that's not how it works. By your logic and wut i assume is your opinion is that anyone should be able to pick up a plant and make medicine without being tested. Laize Fair doesn't work anymore and it's been proven a 100 times.
I am merely pointing out the it is regulations that cause the cost of medicine to go up. That in a totally free market, like the above poster commented, the cost of medicine would be dirt cheap, even if dangerous. Although that can easily be changed by making the doctor responsible for the drugs they prescribe, so if there wasn't any tests, the doctor wouldn't prescribe them as that would make him liable.
Regulations can make the cost go up, but not NEARLY as much as laissez faire capitalism/corporatism like you find in the US. It's the whole allowing companies to control the market, produce hundreds of tons of a drug @ 3-5 cents per dose and sell it back to us @ $1 a dose that is the problem.
that markup, is due to regulation. The control of market, is due to regulation. If you have regulation, aka rules or laws, then you can control the system by controlling the laws. If anyone could copy a pill and introduce it, then competition would enter and you would see the prices lower. Look at generics, costing a fraction and are actually proven to be better quality. That is capitalism. It is when regulations keep competition out they can charge that much markup.
you actually don't really need quality control, not if it is the responsibility of someone to make sure the quality is there, say the doctor maybe. But right now to prove a drug is safe, costs around 3 million dollars, and if it is a plant, you can't patient it, so why spend 3 million dollars to prove a plant can do what a drug can do. I understand perhaps a minor amount of control, but don't wonder why we have big pharma when it costs so much to even get a drug to market.
But what incentive is there for a drug company to make cancer drugs or AIDS drugs? Those drugs cost billions of dollars to research (and yes, thousands to produce, per unit). What individual in his right mind would fund such research in a for profit system. It's much more effective to invent a new Viagra or a painkiller. The for-profit system works, but only up to a point.
Exactly, I was about to say your smart. But its common sense really. When I was like 13 I started caring about these things I thought views like this were prevalent and thus "common sense", but its not. Some people have had there minds bought whole sale through partisan affiliation and simple manipulation by intrested groups. The tea baggers are point in case.
So I dunno what to say, in today's climate I regretfully have to conclude you as being 'smart'.
That is extremely true, but before all the regulation and big pharama, the vast majority of drug testing was done at universities, now the vast majority is done at the drug company. If you removed the cost of producing a drug and getting it approved by the FDA from a few million to a few thousand, then you could see universities doing research to cure a disease. But right now, the only people that can afford to pass a drug by FDA is big pharma, hence I do not support regulations in medicine.
"new medicine costs nothing, as you are required by REGULATIONS to research it and test it"
Haha, have you ever heard of all the "miracle cures" that turned out to just be morphine or some other addictive substance? Come on, get serious! Have you seen "Pete's Dragon" or "Music Man?" CHILDREN aren't that naive! We already have enough bull like homeopathic medicine floating around doing nothing but robbing dimwitted people. With COST-EFFECTIVE things a patent works. Bio-drugs are not.
Yeah i have heard of those, I have also seen the massively addicting and horrible side effects of anti depressants, yet those are still passed and approved. And as far as homeopathic, you might want to research that a bit more, with the ability to remove 99% of high blood pressure, and 46% removal of type 2 diabetes through homeopathic medicine, I think that should say something. Not saying all medicine works, but even modern medicine is bad for you.
You are either uneducated on the topic or a moron if you believe for a second that homeopathic medicine works: it is water and sugar and has failed every scrutinized test of any kind being monitored by a 3rd party. Of course they're going to advertise it works- so do the "miracle cure" salesmen! It is astrology in the form of medicine. Modern medicine is nothing short of a miracle, on the other hand. Or are you going to make smallpox nonexistent with your herbs? Good luck, they've tried.
I am very educated on the topic actually, spend a great deal of time and effort researching it. While some things do need medicine such as small pox, i would say though that for high blood pressure, rat poison vs healthy diet, the healthy diet is better. Also, if homeopathic medicine is so bad, why does every doctor say to take a multi vitamin? giving your body what it needs to fight off disease, how absurd! Medicine has its place, but natural methods should be explored first.
Multi vitamin =/= homeopathic medicine at all. Clearly, you don't know about homeopathic medicine.
I think you don't realize that there are plenty of home-grown cures out there in the free market for simple things, and usually people don't get prescriptions for simple things. But there are so many disorders and diseases that NEED a higher level of scrutiny. Viruses are nothing like high blood pressure and if you just stab in the dark at them, you're going to kill alot of people.
sure, virus should be cured with modern medicine, but high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, colds can all be cured outside medicine. And if medicine is so great, vigra? is that a must have for medicine? what about the hundreds of other drugs to help? regrow hair? pain killers? do any of those "cure" any disease? What about sleeping drugs? anti depressants? Virus is only a very small fraction of the drugs that are prescribed.
Viruses are the ones that KILL millions of people regardless of lifestyle, though, so it's not like it matters what fraction they compose: they are the worst.
And erectile dysfunction is a disease that is a serious problem to many people. And what about all these other things? You're saying there shouldn't be antidepressants?
erectile dysfunction is mostly caused to thinking or poor circulatlation and can be cured through natural means, ones that don't come in a pill. And antidepressants, yes they should be outlawed. They cause suicide in many people, and have been shown time and time again to be extremely highly addictive, hazardous to your health, and can be cured by other means. We all just want a quick solution and figure a pill will solve that.
"We all just want a quick solution and figure a pill will solve that."
That's usually because IT DOES and your ideas of quackery and psychobabble counseling really don't help many people. I absolutely agree with the fact SSRI drugs are way way over prescribed, but some people need them. If you argue with the chemistry then you might as well be saying that gravity is "just a theory."
first off, gravity is just a theory and gravity fails when you hit the quantum level. If it was truth, it would work even on that level, but it doesn't. We just don't have a better explanation yet. I do agree that some people, but VERY few need drugs. I personally have dealt with depression, anti-social behaviors, diseases, all without the use of drugs. So maybe the difference is I speak from experience, and not just experience of one incident, but several.
well, it was nice talking with you. Maybe if we talk next time you can backup some stuff you say. Or maybe stick to your opinion instead of keeping on flipping sides. *Shrug* anyway, hope everything goes wells for you. Peace and God Bless.
Sure seems like you haven't dealt with them well, as is often the case. Let's see how thinking your way out of bipolar disorder works. You have NO clue what you're talking about. I've seen people try to deal with things like bipolar and schizophrenia without medicine and I've seen them burn in flames, just as much as I've seen them be overmedicated and pay for it, but that's the fault of a bad doctor, not bad medicine.
the vast majority of time, people who are bi-polar and the like can cure themselves, but the problem is that the cure is in themselves. That is the problem, they have grown up in an environment, enforced by the culture that we as weak humans are not able to change who we are. Look at how many people believe that being overweight is a genetic thing, when it is like less than 1% are actually genetic. If you are not willing to change, then you wont change.
The placebo effect is pretty strong, especially if your placebo actively seeks out groups that believe, or really strongly want to believe, in shit. That is exactly what the homeopathic medicine market does. You will notice that it tends to be REALLY big in fundamentalist and christian conspiracy circles.
Yes, and this is why I'm against bluefootedpig's notion of "let the free market work itself out." It won't with zero quality control. We will have actual medicine, which costs significantly more to research and produced, absolutely crushed by ripoffs and scam artists just like in the old days.
My position is not that regulating the hell out of things is the solution (this will just end up in the large companies regulating competition to death), my position is just that bluefootedpig is a dolt.
...or at very least there will be no way of knowing, and buying medicine for a serious health condition will basically be like buying a lotto ticket. How awful is that?
Free market argument correct. Homeopathic ? I've been in emergency medicine for a decade and never found it to matter. For most people Homeopathic= Hippy weirdo= lacking merit = going to disregard any argument you make= correct free market argument is ignored. Stick with the free market argument, it's more sound.
"New medicine costs SO much to research and produce."
Not really. I know many different substances I can get by the KILO (including smart drugs) 99.9% pure for about ~$75. The second big pharma sees that there is a major market for the shit then the cartels and the US government will fuck it all up. They will pass laws, turn the whole market over to 1 company, they will cut the drug with tons of chalk and starch then sell it back to us for 1000% profit or more; it's worse than cocaine cartels.
you can get these 99.9% pure medcine that is 100% FDA approved? Please let me know where this is, I know many people who would love to use such drugs. Also, if these are so easy to get, why don't doctors use them?
I've spent the last decade researching pharmaceuticals and if you had been paying attention you would have your answer. A molecule is a molecule is a molecule, no matter what the FDA thinks about it. For the moment most nootropics are not scheduled drugs, as an example. The ones that are cost 50c -$1 a dose and the ones that aren't I can get a lifetime supply of for ~$75. No drug on earth needs to be more than about ~$5 for a 30 day supply. Period. Anything more is gluttonous profit.
yes, you can get medicine very cheap, but to be approved by FDA, which is the regultions for it to be sold in the united states, cost millions to get passed. This removes competition. In a free market, your 75 dollar supply would be allowed to be sold freely, but because it costs about 3 million to pass FDA, no one is going to spend 3 million then sell the drug for 5 bucks for a 30 day supply. Plus, no one would trust it, doctors wouldn't prescribe it, all this is affects of regulations.
Gootube censored one of my comments. It went something like this: "but to be approved by FDA, which is the regultions for it to be sold in the united states, cost millions to get passed."
Not for any good reason. A molecule is a molecule. It doesn't really cost any more money to make a literal ton of one medicine over another, except maybe vaccines that are made with living organisms. The rest is profit.
so what you are saying is that the FDA regulations and patient regulations are driving out competition and driving up cost, which goes back to my point, that regulations is what costs so much. That without those regulations, we could have capitalism in that market and drive the prices down. But as of right now through regulation that isn't happening.
"but because it costs about 3 million to pass FDA, no one is going to spend 3 million then sell the drug for 5 bucks for a 30 day supply."
There is NO reason for it to cost that much. None except greed.
"Plus, no one would trust it, doctors wouldn't prescribe it,"
Did you even pass your high school level chemistry classes? I would happily do the quality control for the cost of the lab equipment and free samples. I'm sure there are thousands more who could and would as well.
Both parties are corrupted by lobbyist, they are the one who runs/control washington. People doesn't understand this concept. Senate bill is bailout for insurance companies.
How else are the Bilderbergs going to take their cut. They have to pay off the congress, but the payoffs pale compared to the profits. Probably this is all just a method for rich people to tax or enslave the poor. The want to make the common man poorer and poorer while they pray upon us like Chupa cabras prey on goats. i guess we just stand around and defer to " the great gods of authority and convoluted logic"! How do we break that cycle? How do we keep ourselves from being chupacara bait?
@hypnofan35 You could start by dumping the BS from the corp lobby, the very same authoritarian creeps, like Ron Paul try to pose as a solution, while supporting more inequality, less openness and deregulation to the point of neo fascism. less democracy etc.
Move to the left, join the real opposition to corp corruption. Tax the elites back to Earth orbit, or push them aside.
you realize that 80% of millionaires are first generation right? meaning they worked from the poverty level to high "elite status" in one generation. You also realize that regulation is what keeps people from being able to start companies right? Thus hindering people's freedom.
I'm all for removing influence from the government, I think lobby money is nothing short of a bribe. But freedom of business, deregulation gives freedom to people to change their lives.
I never heard of him, but on a quick 2 minute wikipedia of him, I would say that his views are right in line with mine. I might have to pick up some of his books, thanks!
No problem. Enjoy your naive spiral of mindless free-market worship.
*arms out*
The market willl saaaveee ussssss the market willl savveee uuusssss. The market never does anything to harrrmmm anyone, it is flawless and can do no wrong......Alll hailllll the magical marrrkkketttt!!!!
lets see, strongest economy, hong kong. How free? oh? completely? what about china, you mean they have capitalist regions that are doing better than the US? And they have a higher percentage of their population at middle class than USA does? How can that be! government will solve everything, they know best! If we can plan out everything, then we wont ever have a bubble burst. Go government! I choose you!
true, but as china has gone away from the regulated market, the areas that have been set to free market or at least more free have boomed. Free markets allow for massive expansion, but also higher unemployment as people fail to keep up, a regulated market slows it down, but hinders free enterprise. So free markets fail due to lack of learning, planned fail due to lack of growth. Our medical is fully regulated, and it is growing so slowly.
@bluefootedpig BS, inequality has grown hugely, and a million will get people a home.
it is not rich.
those who earn a million a year is rich.
If the USA taxed the same as EU, every single US tax payer would be 11,000 $ better off.
You have the meanest and nastiest corp crooks manipulating you.
Tax the rich back to Earth orbit.
Dump crooks and corps stooges like Ron Paul, he is for more inequality and less democracy. he even wants the rich to decide who lives and dies (charity) corp workhouse BS
They are all hierarchal so their base line logic is going to have a corruption. Hierarchals are necessarily biased or convoluting, or dishonest or all of the above. If they are going to try to compromise with the diabolical Joe Belier mann they are not making the way straight to. for solution. A hierarchal " is to further convolute an already diabolically convoluted status quo. Somebody has got to be running this game. We don't know who Apparently the got Repbulican nuts in a vice.
@CannibalCorpse909 LOL, the Democrats have ALL the power and they STILL cannot get it done. This is why Democrats should not be in power. Why you people vote for them is beyond me. We should have checks and balances--maybe 1 party gets one house, 1 party gets the other OR the Congress 1 party and the President the other.
I keep saying that. Even with a stacked Congress they still can't give their constituents what they want. So what is the point in voting for them? Well the obvious answer you will get is "To keep the Republicans from getting what they want" which I would say is a valid response were it not for the fact that Obama is giving them everything they want.
That's 25 billion we could've reduced the deficit with, but look to the market! Anything that increases 7 companies 20-30% when the market just rose 2% HAS to be good for Main Street? Right?!
The US also seems to be the only country that treats healthcare as a purely economic issue, whereas most countries see it as a social and moral issue.
As I see it the solution to your broken electoral system is for you all to get off your sofa and make your voice heard.... you.... not someone else... you.
fuck obama, i had the most faith in him, but i was a fool, made into a fool, i should have known these presidents and leaders are mere puppets..nothing else..
@ryderawr Even though the US has used nukes before it's doubtful it will again. Launching a nuke at another country pretty much guarantees you will get nuked yourself.
Not to mention there is no telling how many nukes many countries have these days. With all those missing nukes from Russia and Kazakhstan......
At the least it ensures embargoes on your country which crashes your economy.
@DeadKennedysNirvana8 I think it's hi-larious that the US thinks it can continue being a world superpower with a de-industrialized economy where industry has been outsourced overseas.
Lol! The very idea is ridiculous. We're going to run this superpower.......on service jobs and shaky derivatives financial markets. Please.
The main reason their shares went up: The insurance companies took this promising president, bend him over a table, and had their way with him for days. By doing that they proved that the american system is so corrupt that come hell or high water they will win every time.
It's sad man.. This isn't politics. It's big money and who gives a fuck about the average american.
Gotta love my public health care. On average we pay @ 1500$ a year, and we wont loose our coverage no matter what.
Mert828: Denmark. The movers would looove you for what they would charge for a move like that;o)
It's a strange little country. As an example we believe that our politicians should work for the greater good of all of us. If they're caught taking money from interest parties they will be punished. It's corruption you know. That's supposed to be illegal;-)
I agree completely. I wish we could do some reform about that, but it will never pass because noone would vote to cut their own pay in the House and Senate. Something has to be done or the country's going in the crapper.
No, that's going too far lol. All we need is a restriction on the gifts congressman can receive. Lets make it they can't take any money, concessions or presents from anyone, if you really want to be a Congressman this won't get in the way.
The point about the stocks is kind of a moot point. In the span of one year maaaaaany stocks have gone up more than 20%. Some jumped more than 100% from their point 1 year ago. Almost all stocks are doing better now than they were a year ago, some significantly so.
@duleekrauser i feel there is a difference between us and the 60s. the hippies almost got change but backed down at key moments due to fear and tactics used by the majority; with the amount of information, violence, and corruption we see through our media, we hopefully wont back down as generations past have.
i don't know why they worry. I get free healthcare in Canada, but we still buy health insurance for better or extra coverage. And if we had a mixed system, i would buy more
i just feel that this is going the way it has gone for years the insurance companies have bought and payed for success and once again we at the lower end of the totem pole wind up with nothing more than the smell of crap in our nostrils hope it doesnt make us sick
USA is a concentration camp,i live in africa and after studying USA's tyrannical laws,im happy that im here.atleast we dont get arrested without proof,we have no phone tapping
Health Insurance companies are doing 17-27 times better then the rest of the publicly traded market? WOW! Not surprised, but I do regret not dumpling my entire life savings into the top seven health insurance companies, then I might earn enough to cover a possible future illness.
Once this passes, it will go to hell fast, and the GOP who raped this bill of all meaningful reform will be the foist to start the finger pointing.
Rep Alan Grayson was killing it though, only dem i could ever support, but like i said, there is nothing Alan can do, that i can't... Stop the Autocracy.
This could have been a rebound. Any type of bad news brings a stock price down. If that bad news in unfounded, the stock price bounces back to where it was.
Obama has two things - First, he can keep his campaign promises, one of which was a rather concise statement that he did NOT support mandated health coverage. Second, he has the power of veto. He can use it. Or not. So, while the complete failure of a Democratic congress definitely reminds us that it's time to kick the trash to the curb election, Obama, in failing to exercise his own responsibilities, is also at fault.
Don't jesusify the government and obama... Dont perpetuate the autocratic consensus, the people of the nation are equally to blame. Where is the staunch activism, so vibrant in the 60s? is that the only time peopled cared?
cool !! keep safe god bless
radovichhillary 6 months ago
nundas passt nicht hier rein aber ich suche jmd zum schreiben bin so einsam
TishaLane306 2 years ago
Food for thought.
kingreg69 2 years ago
hey champ, you made a similar flub when you said there would be a 300 000 troop surge in afghanistan ;)
PontFX 2 years ago
@Rata4You
It's a story about multibillion dollar industries knowing how many politicians that have in their pocket at any given time.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
It is funny that the insurance companies is all about profit... yet they have no understanding of the different between symbiotic & parasitic relationship...
Same with wall street bankers... they learn nothing from the Great Depression.
There is no profit in a destabilized nation.
BioCapsule 2 years ago
Insurance Companies --- 10
The American Public ------ 0
Thank you Whore Lieberman
DillonX 2 years ago 3
Obama was promoting the idea of public option when he was running for presidency, but he now said it wasnt a big deal. Obama is a puppet, his campaign was funded by Health Insurance companies, do you think he would go against his masters that put him there.
DodgeVip3r 2 years ago 2
This is great news, this indicates that Healthcare reform will FAIL and Sarah Palin becomes America's NEXT and GREATEST POTUS! Under Palinomics, these stocks will continue to rise even higher than ever before and it will never crash and collapse! Palin will ensure that there is NO government healthcare whatsoever! She will even privatize Veteran's Healthcare along with Medicare and Medicaid as a way to drastically cut spending and spend conservatively!
ecwaufisxtreme 2 years ago
With the bail outs, cap and trade, and the healthcare bill, wallstreet is gettin paid, baby. mainstreet is getting royally screwed.
seanboy80 2 years ago 2
I hope they try and put the public option back in it for the final vote....that would be awesome. It won't ever make it to the presidents desk for him to sign if that ends up back in there. Which is exactly what needs to happen. If Obama signs off on this the Democrats will lose the Majority in 11 months!
Rules73 2 years ago
52 Week high means nothing in the year 09.
lmcdowall 2 years ago
keep it up TYT :]
KalistaHeartsMSI 2 years ago
UHG is doing so well but keeps laying people off.
jotunobsidianeyes 2 years ago
Spot on
EclecticSceptic 2 years ago
If you want to pass a healthcare bill so badly that you are willing to pass this piece of shit.. ATLEAST TAKE OUT THE MANDATE!!! You are enslaving every american citizen to the greedy insurance companies.. They are vampires with a blood lust. This Bill is ATROCIOUS!
MsKBrennan 2 years ago 7
@MsKBrennan what are they going to do with people who still can't aford the insurance?Republicans will wan't to bring back debtors prisons.
harkying99 2 years ago
Cynical Government 101: When you're out of government, demand change. When you're elected, promise "reform". When you legislate, change nothing.
flankspeed 2 years ago 4
A country without a public option is a country ( Enter text )
VEGITA9000 2 years ago
@VEGITA9000 a country with bad haircuts? Lousy beer? No Michael Vick?
jbwhite2007 2 years ago
Wall Street always wins cenk and the stock price doesn't lie
ryan8247 2 years ago
no shit...
...because they got their way.
treid100182 2 years ago
The stock point would seem to be an obvious, and unimportant, one. We're adding 30 million Americans to their income, subsidized by the government. So, yeah, of course their stocks should rise in value.
aaronsande 2 years ago
nobody gives a shit about that sophomoric hack. keep dreaming
eviltube1111 2 years ago
When are we going to throw these rat bastards out of the capital and put our third party independent candidates in office people?!
FUCK VOTING FOR REPUB DEMOCRAT THEY ARE TWO WINGS OF THE SAME BIRD.THIRD PARTY 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
zoticus1 2 years ago 2
never will happen.
eviltube1111 2 years ago
agreed!
wtfdoihavetodohere 2 years ago
True, I remember watching it. And they call him a nut, but they never mention how right he is.
dm1133 2 years ago
What we say goes "Noam Chomsky"... All politicians are full of shit. Their money seems to be more important than the country itself. Once they sell everything to CHINA what fucking difference will it make if you have money... NONE!!!
batosmak 2 years ago
LOL at the USA.
Health care ratings according to the WHO are:
1 France
22 Colombia
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
29 Morocco
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
39 Cuba
tommysch 2 years ago 2
sigh.... Public Healthcare for the fail :(
panther0567 2 years ago
Let's just drop the pretense.
Let's treat every dollar like a vote, and however many dollars a person or corporation has, that's how important they are.
Capitalism at its finest.
Hell, we can get Glenn Beck to run the Oligarch Party. It'll be awesome.
WouldbeSage 2 years ago 4
@WouldbeSage I don't think I could sum it up better. Love the Glen Beck comment!
MLadyAzzera 2 years ago
LOL al glenn beck's oligarch party
MsKBrennan 2 years ago
Cenk maybe you'll soon realize that capitalism isn't so wonderful. Capital decides the way things go. There can be no democracy until it is smashed.
yohaneuano4 2 years ago
Democrats.. I hope you're happy now... you're boys are going to pass some of the worst legislation ever.
lestliness 2 years ago
lestliness... I like your gloating. You mean, as is always the case, when "democrats" take over is when real Republican change can occur under that disguise. And the Republicans can then increase their own political/corporatist power using the recoil against the Democrat party.
rajasmasala 2 years ago
I don't know why you idiots can't get it through your thick skulls..THERE IS NO PARTY FOR THE PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON!Republicans and Democrats are opposite cheeks of the same ass. Yes I criticized the democrats in my statement but where did I praise the republicans? Oh you assumed didn't you? Go figure.
lestliness 2 years ago
I did assume. It was a fair assumption, given that your statement would be read that way by the majority of the readers on this page. Now that you've come out, I can safely say I think you're right, and a third party would be at least a step in the right direction.
rajasmasala 2 years ago
90% of the shit is put in it by the republicans that then don't vote for it
xadam2dudex 2 years ago 5
First we got sold out by the Republicans, now we're getting sold out by the Democrats... really is anyone that suprised? All politicians are in the business deception for money.
iversonmatthew 2 years ago
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corrosivetrip 2 years ago
you mean government regulation? the reason the stocks are going up is because they know that it will be mandatory to have health insurance, and without the public option, they know that you will have to buy from a private insurance company. I would call the stocks going up common sense for anyone who has half a brain.
And I'll enjoy capitalism when we get capitalism, right now we have socialism for our health care. We haven't had capitalism in America in about 40-60 years.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
We haven't had capitalism in America in about 40-60 years? The health care system as it stands is nothing bur pure, unrelenting capitalism, what are you talking about? The CEOs make money off it, the politicians make money off it.
...hey, it's a free market, you're free to challenge the multi-billion dollar corporations with teams of lobbyists and politicians in their pockets by opening your own small insurance business. What, you think they'll go easy on you? That's not the capitalist spirit.
Muchodelcrazy 2 years ago
unrelenting capitalism... right. You might want to look into that. It takes 5+ years to introduce any new technology into the medical field. Think about that, you are being treated with 5 year old software / hardware because of all the regulation. Health care is one of the most regulated, non free enterprise markets we have. That is where the corruption comes from, if anyone could enter into the market, it becomes extremely difficult to control.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
I wouldn't treat medical ailments with hardware/software, personally, but i digress...
What you're saying is silly. The regulation works IN FAVOR of creating new technology. Companies won't create new medicines and techs because of the crazy investment. As a result, they demand that they hold an elongated patent on it, meaning no off-brands of any kind. It's like a mini-monopoly, which is pretty much 100% opposite of free-market. If this regulation didn't exist, there would be NO new medicine!
Muchodelcrazy 2 years ago
You want the computer that keeps you breathing to be 5 years old?
You really need to look up what regulations are, patients are a form of regulation. To regulate is to put in rules, so the rule that you cannot invent a generic of a brand is a regulation. Zero regulation would mean anyone could copy anyone. Also they do not in the least help, that crazy investment, is the cost to get approved and go through the regulation. Medicine costs almost nothing, regulation costs millions.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
"Medicine costs almost nothing, regulation costs millions. "
That's got to be one of the most factually incorrect statements of all time. New medicine costs SO much to research and produce. It would never happen because you could never make a profit without the regulation, as in you won't make your money back by the time the standard patent expires, then the next guy, without investing millions, can just copy it... so who would go first? Nobody. Oops, free competition breakdown, no medicine.
Muchodelcrazy 2 years ago
first of all, would you mind showing me where it costs? new medicine costs nothing, as you are required by REGULATIONS to research it and test it. I can pick up a root, grind it in a mort and pestel and produce it as a drug for about 15 bucks start up cost. So 15 bucks to produce a natural drug, but I cannot due to regulations.
As far as patent, you need to look at the history of that, first person to develop has the edge by name. This is how it has always worked, yet there is still innovation
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
i'm pretty sure that's not how it works. By your logic and wut i assume is your opinion is that anyone should be able to pick up a plant and make medicine without being tested. Laize Fair doesn't work anymore and it's been proven a 100 times.
reru444 2 years ago
I am merely pointing out the it is regulations that cause the cost of medicine to go up. That in a totally free market, like the above poster commented, the cost of medicine would be dirt cheap, even if dangerous. Although that can easily be changed by making the doctor responsible for the drugs they prescribe, so if there wasn't any tests, the doctor wouldn't prescribe them as that would make him liable.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
Regulations can make the cost go up, but not NEARLY as much as laissez faire capitalism/corporatism like you find in the US. It's the whole allowing companies to control the market, produce hundreds of tons of a drug @ 3-5 cents per dose and sell it back to us @ $1 a dose that is the problem.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
that markup, is due to regulation. The control of market, is due to regulation. If you have regulation, aka rules or laws, then you can control the system by controlling the laws. If anyone could copy a pill and introduce it, then competition would enter and you would see the prices lower. Look at generics, costing a fraction and are actually proven to be better quality. That is capitalism. It is when regulations keep competition out they can charge that much markup.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
@bluefootedpig
You have to have quality control. Quality control is a form of regulation. You DON'T have to have a 1000% markup from manufacturer to consumer.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
you actually don't really need quality control, not if it is the responsibility of someone to make sure the quality is there, say the doctor maybe. But right now to prove a drug is safe, costs around 3 million dollars, and if it is a plant, you can't patient it, so why spend 3 million dollars to prove a plant can do what a drug can do. I understand perhaps a minor amount of control, but don't wonder why we have big pharma when it costs so much to even get a drug to market.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
But what incentive is there for a drug company to make cancer drugs or AIDS drugs? Those drugs cost billions of dollars to research (and yes, thousands to produce, per unit). What individual in his right mind would fund such research in a for profit system. It's much more effective to invent a new Viagra or a painkiller. The for-profit system works, but only up to a point.
pavanboi26 2 years ago
Exactly, I was about to say your smart. But its common sense really. When I was like 13 I started caring about these things I thought views like this were prevalent and thus "common sense", but its not. Some people have had there minds bought whole sale through partisan affiliation and simple manipulation by intrested groups. The tea baggers are point in case.
So I dunno what to say, in today's climate I regretfully have to conclude you as being 'smart'.
CmdrTobs 2 years ago
That is extremely true, but before all the regulation and big pharama, the vast majority of drug testing was done at universities, now the vast majority is done at the drug company. If you removed the cost of producing a drug and getting it approved by the FDA from a few million to a few thousand, then you could see universities doing research to cure a disease. But right now, the only people that can afford to pass a drug by FDA is big pharma, hence I do not support regulations in medicine.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
"new medicine costs nothing, as you are required by REGULATIONS to research it and test it"
Haha, have you ever heard of all the "miracle cures" that turned out to just be morphine or some other addictive substance? Come on, get serious! Have you seen "Pete's Dragon" or "Music Man?" CHILDREN aren't that naive! We already have enough bull like homeopathic medicine floating around doing nothing but robbing dimwitted people. With COST-EFFECTIVE things a patent works. Bio-drugs are not.
Muchodelcrazy 2 years ago
Yeah i have heard of those, I have also seen the massively addicting and horrible side effects of anti depressants, yet those are still passed and approved. And as far as homeopathic, you might want to research that a bit more, with the ability to remove 99% of high blood pressure, and 46% removal of type 2 diabetes through homeopathic medicine, I think that should say something. Not saying all medicine works, but even modern medicine is bad for you.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
You are either uneducated on the topic or a moron if you believe for a second that homeopathic medicine works: it is water and sugar and has failed every scrutinized test of any kind being monitored by a 3rd party. Of course they're going to advertise it works- so do the "miracle cure" salesmen! It is astrology in the form of medicine. Modern medicine is nothing short of a miracle, on the other hand. Or are you going to make smallpox nonexistent with your herbs? Good luck, they've tried.
Muchodelcrazy 2 years ago
I am very educated on the topic actually, spend a great deal of time and effort researching it. While some things do need medicine such as small pox, i would say though that for high blood pressure, rat poison vs healthy diet, the healthy diet is better. Also, if homeopathic medicine is so bad, why does every doctor say to take a multi vitamin? giving your body what it needs to fight off disease, how absurd! Medicine has its place, but natural methods should be explored first.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
Multi vitamin =/= homeopathic medicine at all. Clearly, you don't know about homeopathic medicine.
I think you don't realize that there are plenty of home-grown cures out there in the free market for simple things, and usually people don't get prescriptions for simple things. But there are so many disorders and diseases that NEED a higher level of scrutiny. Viruses are nothing like high blood pressure and if you just stab in the dark at them, you're going to kill alot of people.
Muchodelcrazy 2 years ago
sure, virus should be cured with modern medicine, but high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, colds can all be cured outside medicine. And if medicine is so great, vigra? is that a must have for medicine? what about the hundreds of other drugs to help? regrow hair? pain killers? do any of those "cure" any disease? What about sleeping drugs? anti depressants? Virus is only a very small fraction of the drugs that are prescribed.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
"but high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, colds can all be cured outside medicine."
There are some useful plants, of course, but homeopathy is quackery. Thanks for the comic relief.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
Viruses are the ones that KILL millions of people regardless of lifestyle, though, so it's not like it matters what fraction they compose: they are the worst.
And erectile dysfunction is a disease that is a serious problem to many people. And what about all these other things? You're saying there shouldn't be antidepressants?
Muchodelcrazy 2 years ago
erectile dysfunction is mostly caused to thinking or poor circulatlation and can be cured through natural means, ones that don't come in a pill. And antidepressants, yes they should be outlawed. They cause suicide in many people, and have been shown time and time again to be extremely highly addictive, hazardous to your health, and can be cured by other means. We all just want a quick solution and figure a pill will solve that.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
@bluefootedpig
"We all just want a quick solution and figure a pill will solve that."
That's usually because IT DOES and your ideas of quackery and psychobabble counseling really don't help many people. I absolutely agree with the fact SSRI drugs are way way over prescribed, but some people need them. If you argue with the chemistry then you might as well be saying that gravity is "just a theory."
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
first off, gravity is just a theory and gravity fails when you hit the quantum level. If it was truth, it would work even on that level, but it doesn't. We just don't have a better explanation yet. I do agree that some people, but VERY few need drugs. I personally have dealt with depression, anti-social behaviors, diseases, all without the use of drugs. So maybe the difference is I speak from experience, and not just experience of one incident, but several.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
I'm done with you. You're a quack.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
well, it was nice talking with you. Maybe if we talk next time you can backup some stuff you say. Or maybe stick to your opinion instead of keeping on flipping sides. *Shrug* anyway, hope everything goes wells for you. Peace and God Bless.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
Sure seems like you haven't dealt with them well, as is often the case. Let's see how thinking your way out of bipolar disorder works. You have NO clue what you're talking about. I've seen people try to deal with things like bipolar and schizophrenia without medicine and I've seen them burn in flames, just as much as I've seen them be overmedicated and pay for it, but that's the fault of a bad doctor, not bad medicine.
Muchodelcrazy 2 years ago
the vast majority of time, people who are bi-polar and the like can cure themselves, but the problem is that the cure is in themselves. That is the problem, they have grown up in an environment, enforced by the culture that we as weak humans are not able to change who we are. Look at how many people believe that being overweight is a genetic thing, when it is like less than 1% are actually genetic. If you are not willing to change, then you wont change.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
@bluefootedpig
If you want to talk about medicine, at least take enough college classes to qualify as an EMT. Otherwise, kindly STFU.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
@Muchodelcrazy
The placebo effect is pretty strong, especially if your placebo actively seeks out groups that believe, or really strongly want to believe, in shit. That is exactly what the homeopathic medicine market does. You will notice that it tends to be REALLY big in fundamentalist and christian conspiracy circles.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
Yes, and this is why I'm against bluefootedpig's notion of "let the free market work itself out." It won't with zero quality control. We will have actual medicine, which costs significantly more to research and produced, absolutely crushed by ripoffs and scam artists just like in the old days.
My position is not that regulating the hell out of things is the solution (this will just end up in the large companies regulating competition to death), my position is just that bluefootedpig is a dolt.
Muchodelcrazy 2 years ago
...or at very least there will be no way of knowing, and buying medicine for a serious health condition will basically be like buying a lotto ticket. How awful is that?
Muchodelcrazy 2 years ago
Free market argument correct. Homeopathic ? I've been in emergency medicine for a decade and never found it to matter. For most people Homeopathic= Hippy weirdo= lacking merit = going to disregard any argument you make= correct free market argument is ignored. Stick with the free market argument, it's more sound.
whereareyoujohngalt 2 years ago
"New medicine costs SO much to research and produce."
Not really. I know many different substances I can get by the KILO (including smart drugs) 99.9% pure for about ~$75. The second big pharma sees that there is a major market for the shit then the cartels and the US government will fuck it all up. They will pass laws, turn the whole market over to 1 company, they will cut the drug with tons of chalk and starch then sell it back to us for 1000% profit or more; it's worse than cocaine cartels.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
you can get these 99.9% pure medcine that is 100% FDA approved? Please let me know where this is, I know many people who would love to use such drugs. Also, if these are so easy to get, why don't doctors use them?
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
I've spent the last decade researching pharmaceuticals and if you had been paying attention you would have your answer. A molecule is a molecule is a molecule, no matter what the FDA thinks about it. For the moment most nootropics are not scheduled drugs, as an example. The ones that are cost 50c -$1 a dose and the ones that aren't I can get a lifetime supply of for ~$75. No drug on earth needs to be more than about ~$5 for a 30 day supply. Period. Anything more is gluttonous profit.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
yes, you can get medicine very cheap, but to be approved by FDA, which is the regultions for it to be sold in the united states, cost millions to get passed. This removes competition. In a free market, your 75 dollar supply would be allowed to be sold freely, but because it costs about 3 million to pass FDA, no one is going to spend 3 million then sell the drug for 5 bucks for a 30 day supply. Plus, no one would trust it, doctors wouldn't prescribe it, all this is affects of regulations.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
Gootube censored one of my comments. It went something like this: "but to be approved by FDA, which is the regultions for it to be sold in the united states, cost millions to get passed."
Not for any good reason. A molecule is a molecule. It doesn't really cost any more money to make a literal ton of one medicine over another, except maybe vaccines that are made with living organisms. The rest is profit.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
so what you are saying is that the FDA regulations and patient regulations are driving out competition and driving up cost, which goes back to my point, that regulations is what costs so much. That without those regulations, we could have capitalism in that market and drive the prices down. But as of right now through regulation that isn't happening.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
"but because it costs about 3 million to pass FDA, no one is going to spend 3 million then sell the drug for 5 bucks for a 30 day supply."
There is NO reason for it to cost that much. None except greed.
"Plus, no one would trust it, doctors wouldn't prescribe it,"
Did you even pass your high school level chemistry classes? I would happily do the quality control for the cost of the lab equipment and free samples. I'm sure there are thousands more who could and would as well.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
The S&P 500 and the DOW are also at their 52 week high. And if you compare their individual gains a lot lag these indices or aren't up that much.
So although I agree there needs to be insurance reform but the stock price doesn't say that much at all.
ParadoxianLP 2 years ago
@wnnw98 this statement is just stupid. Invest your money in the stocks that go up.
dlcapewe 2 years ago
Voting Yes or No isn't relivent anymore the Punch has been spiked.
2DRonaldo 2 years ago
Obama is weak leader so far, he is worst than GW Bush
USB06 2 years ago
Both parties are corrupted by lobbyist, they are the one who runs/control washington. People doesn't understand this concept. Senate bill is bailout for insurance companies.
USB06 2 years ago
How else are the Bilderbergs going to take their cut. They have to pay off the congress, but the payoffs pale compared to the profits. Probably this is all just a method for rich people to tax or enslave the poor. The want to make the common man poorer and poorer while they pray upon us like Chupa cabras prey on goats. i guess we just stand around and defer to " the great gods of authority and convoluted logic"! How do we break that cycle? How do we keep ourselves from being chupacara bait?
hypnofan35 2 years ago
@hypnofan35 You could start by dumping the BS from the corp lobby, the very same authoritarian creeps, like Ron Paul try to pose as a solution, while supporting more inequality, less openness and deregulation to the point of neo fascism. less democracy etc.
Move to the left, join the real opposition to corp corruption. Tax the elites back to Earth orbit, or push them aside.
democracy and freedom for all.
reason and honesty in Govt.
kick the corps, arms, oil lobby out.
turn on RP hard.
marsCubed 2 years ago
you realize that 80% of millionaires are first generation right? meaning they worked from the poverty level to high "elite status" in one generation. You also realize that regulation is what keeps people from being able to start companies right? Thus hindering people's freedom.
I'm all for removing influence from the government, I think lobby money is nothing short of a bribe. But freedom of business, deregulation gives freedom to people to change their lives.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
@bluefootedpig
Someone's been reading some Milton Friedman.
ArranoGris 2 years ago
I never heard of him, but on a quick 2 minute wikipedia of him, I would say that his views are right in line with mine. I might have to pick up some of his books, thanks!
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
No problem. Enjoy your naive spiral of mindless free-market worship.
*arms out*
The market willl saaaveee ussssss the market willl savveee uuusssss. The market never does anything to harrrmmm anyone, it is flawless and can do no wrong......Alll hailllll the magical marrrkkketttt!!!!
ArranoGris 2 years ago 5
lets see, strongest economy, hong kong. How free? oh? completely? what about china, you mean they have capitalist regions that are doing better than the US? And they have a higher percentage of their population at middle class than USA does? How can that be! government will solve everything, they know best! If we can plan out everything, then we wont ever have a bubble burst. Go government! I choose you!
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
China has a regulated market. The free market doesn't work.
wisdumcube 2 years ago 3
true, but as china has gone away from the regulated market, the areas that have been set to free market or at least more free have boomed. Free markets allow for massive expansion, but also higher unemployment as people fail to keep up, a regulated market slows it down, but hinders free enterprise. So free markets fail due to lack of learning, planned fail due to lack of growth. Our medical is fully regulated, and it is growing so slowly.
bluefootedpig 2 years ago
@bluefootedpig BS, inequality has grown hugely, and a million will get people a home.
it is not rich.
those who earn a million a year is rich.
If the USA taxed the same as EU, every single US tax payer would be 11,000 $ better off.
You have the meanest and nastiest corp crooks manipulating you.
Tax the rich back to Earth orbit.
Dump crooks and corps stooges like Ron Paul, he is for more inequality and less democracy. he even wants the rich to decide who lives and dies (charity) corp workhouse BS
marsCubed 2 years ago
They are all hierarchal so their base line logic is going to have a corruption. Hierarchals are necessarily biased or convoluting, or dishonest or all of the above. If they are going to try to compromise with the diabolical Joe Belier mann they are not making the way straight to. for solution. A hierarchal " is to further convolute an already diabolically convoluted status quo. Somebody has got to be running this game. We don't know who Apparently the got Repbulican nuts in a vice.
hypnofan35 2 years ago
I refuse this option. I am not going to buy this and won't pay the fine.
Emil246 2 years ago 2
of course it did our gov are all whores first it was the GOP sold there souls and now the left sold there souls and we the people got fucked again
TenRoc382k9 2 years ago 2
The media has brainwashed the american people to actually oppose universal healthcare...What a shame.
CannibalCorpse909 2 years ago
@CannibalCorpse909 LOL, the Democrats have ALL the power and they STILL cannot get it done. This is why Democrats should not be in power. Why you people vote for them is beyond me. We should have checks and balances--maybe 1 party gets one house, 1 party gets the other OR the Congress 1 party and the President the other.
KiheiLawyer 2 years ago
@KiheiLawyer because the longer the republican are NOT in power, the less harm they will do
Melpheos1er 2 years ago
I keep saying that. Even with a stacked Congress they still can't give their constituents what they want. So what is the point in voting for them? Well the obvious answer you will get is "To keep the Republicans from getting what they want" which I would say is a valid response were it not for the fact that Obama is giving them everything they want.
h8uall66 2 years ago
so what do the people get Nothing?
watchulla 2 years ago
Nothing? I WISH we got nothing. We got hosed so bad it'll feel like a fireman's nozzle is up our butts on full blast.
magicpet 2 years ago
That's 25 billion we could've reduced the deficit with, but look to the market! Anything that increases 7 companies 20-30% when the market just rose 2% HAS to be good for Main Street? Right?!
... Right?
Myschly 2 years ago
Ive seen how godam expensive healthcare is in US, I feel lucky to live in UK, free healthcare and barely any waiting lists.
Grimeyhoob 2 years ago 6
Keep pointing this stuff out TYT. Maybe one day the masses will wake up and take notice
doctender77 2 years ago
Aflac earkier this year was around $10 a share, they closed today at $47 a share.
Xenite227 2 years ago
The US also seems to be the only country that treats healthcare as a purely economic issue, whereas most countries see it as a social and moral issue.
As I see it the solution to your broken electoral system is for you all to get off your sofa and make your voice heard.... you.... not someone else... you.
DiClarkio1 2 years ago 4
Alot of people did get off their sofas and had their voices heard at town hall meetings. It was against healthcare though :(
evsystem 2 years ago
True, but I'm not thinking of 50,000 astro-turf Faux News viewers, I'm thinking 100 million Americans with a thirst for real change.
DiClarkio1 2 years ago 3
With corporate health care as a private investment...
Only thing left is a nasty disease, and then they'll REALLY rake it in!
AfricanMadman 2 years ago
fuck obama, i had the most faith in him, but i was a fool, made into a fool, i should have known these presidents and leaders are mere puppets..nothing else..
Hypster123 2 years ago
The problem is, the majority of the ones who were in Congress under Bush are still there under Obama.
The only real answer is to get a bunch of people, register, and go to the primaries and help nominate more Progressives.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago 3
"Surprise, surprise, surprise!" -- attr to G Pyle, USMC
Fred13B 2 years ago
Obama is done.
Stick a fork in him.
bobbytiger 2 years ago
fucking pice of shit
skybluekid1989 2 years ago
@ryderawr Even though the US has used nukes before it's doubtful it will again. Launching a nuke at another country pretty much guarantees you will get nuked yourself.
Not to mention there is no telling how many nukes many countries have these days. With all those missing nukes from Russia and Kazakhstan......
At the least it ensures embargoes on your country which crashes your economy.
A86 2 years ago
We never learn from our past mistakes. Clinton´s plan failed, Sicko, Michael Moore documentary, ignored by everyone.
cerritoboy 2 years ago 4
@DeadKennedysNirvana8 I think it's hi-larious that the US thinks it can continue being a world superpower with a de-industrialized economy where industry has been outsourced overseas.
Lol! The very idea is ridiculous. We're going to run this superpower.......on service jobs and shaky derivatives financial markets. Please.
A86 2 years ago 2
The main reason their shares went up: The insurance companies took this promising president, bend him over a table, and had their way with him for days. By doing that they proved that the american system is so corrupt that come hell or high water they will win every time.
It's sad man.. This isn't politics. It's big money and who gives a fuck about the average american.
Gotta love my public health care. On average we pay @ 1500$ a year, and we wont loose our coverage no matter what.
jo05dk 2 years ago 2
Where is this? Maybe I should move there.
mert828 2 years ago
Mert828: Denmark. The movers would looove you for what they would charge for a move like that;o)
It's a strange little country. As an example we believe that our politicians should work for the greater good of all of us. If they're caught taking money from interest parties they will be punished. It's corruption you know. That's supposed to be illegal;-)
jo05dk 2 years ago
I agree completely. I wish we could do some reform about that, but it will never pass because noone would vote to cut their own pay in the House and Senate. Something has to be done or the country's going in the crapper.
mert828 2 years ago
@mert828 The only solution is changing the political system. Personally, I think proportional representation would be better than a district system.
Perhaps a few amendments to the US constitution are in order?
NaomiClareNL 2 years ago
No, that's going too far lol. All we need is a restriction on the gifts congressman can receive. Lets make it they can't take any money, concessions or presents from anyone, if you really want to be a Congressman this won't get in the way.
SirPwn4lot 2 years ago
@jo05dk same in australia,, parliamentarians are not allowed to do any business related to their portfolio.
superfuzz 2 years ago
nearly the same in Germany.
Weird the US seems to be nearly the only country, where corruption happens in such a big fassion.
I guess it also has to do with politicians paying for their own campaign and having no limits on that.
BMWizardofOz 2 years ago
The point about the stocks is kind of a moot point. In the span of one year maaaaaany stocks have gone up more than 20%. Some jumped more than 100% from their point 1 year ago. Almost all stocks are doing better now than they were a year ago, some significantly so.
Daelus1 2 years ago
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u progressives voted for a neocon? obama? 30k more troops in afghanistan - ha ha gotcha stupid libs
megagagnon1 2 years ago
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yes no socialism
megagagnon1 2 years ago
this SHIT is FUCKING sad and just PISS me off!
i well bet in the next few years it well get worst.
i feel it well be like the 60's with young people fighting the goverment and maybe we well not give up like dam hippes.
its not just health care its all the goverment its all broke!
and i voted for obama to change and fix it GOD DAM IT!
duleekrauser 2 years ago
@duleekrauser i feel there is a difference between us and the 60s. the hippies almost got change but backed down at key moments due to fear and tactics used by the majority; with the amount of information, violence, and corruption we see through our media, we hopefully wont back down as generations past have.
zombikilla92 2 years ago 2
i don't know why they worry. I get free healthcare in Canada, but we still buy health insurance for better or extra coverage. And if we had a mixed system, i would buy more
mard420 2 years ago
i just feel that this is going the way it has gone for years the insurance companies have bought and payed for success and once again we at the lower end of the totem pole wind up with nothing more than the smell of crap in our nostrils hope it doesnt make us sick
dragonflychainsaw 2 years ago 3
USA is a concentration camp,i live in africa and after studying USA's tyrannical laws,im happy that im here.atleast we dont get arrested without proof,we have no phone tapping
sshapewa 2 years ago 2
ok, i loved the guy last year. but if the public option doesn't stay then...
"FUCK YOU OBAMA!!!!!"
YellowJarrett 2 years ago 4
fuck all politicians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gokuhawks14 2 years ago 4
You guys REALLY need a party of the left. Hell, even a party of the CENTRE would be good!
Xerxes4242 2 years ago 3
I should invest in those companies.. hmmmm...
Xerxes4242 2 years ago
congress and the government must listen TO US THE PEOPLE OFTHE UNIDED STATES OF AMERICA!!!
hteman 2 years ago 3
Health Insurance companies are doing 17-27 times better then the rest of the publicly traded market? WOW! Not surprised, but I do regret not dumpling my entire life savings into the top seven health insurance companies, then I might earn enough to cover a possible future illness.
Once this passes, it will go to hell fast, and the GOP who raped this bill of all meaningful reform will be the foist to start the finger pointing.
Grow a pair Dems (SELL OUTS)!
fret2424 2 years ago 2
Rep Alan Grayson was killing it though, only dem i could ever support, but like i said, there is nothing Alan can do, that i can't... Stop the Autocracy.
Charles0in0charge 2 years ago 5
fuck Joe Lieberman
WavesAndRocks 2 years ago 2
No public option = No second term.
ndvuncle 2 years ago 17
Chance we can believe in!
NickTreklis 2 years ago
Man I hate where this country is going...Europe anyone?
refuckulate420 2 years ago 9
The Insurance got what they paid for... 1.6 million dollars a day for a year, they BETTER.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
All you need is the GOP and Creationists to make a resurgence, and you'll have the US residing as a perfect mirror to the fall of the Roman Empire.
TAz69x 2 years ago
A year ago, the dow jones was around 6500. It is now 10500. A good majority of stocks are reaching 52 week highs.
wafflethug 2 years ago
This is what the fall of an empire looks like.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago 3
I see no death star exploding.
wisdumcube 2 years ago
This could have been a rebound. Any type of bad news brings a stock price down. If that bad news in unfounded, the stock price bounces back to where it was.
wafflethug 2 years ago
So, it looks like we will have a national health insurance bill that will feed more profits into the private health insurance industry.
The last time Wall Street was this happy was when they thought George Bush was going to succeed in partially privatizing Social Security.
This is looking more and more like a new way to siphon off more funds for a payout to Wall Street.
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nsx1com 2 years ago
It aint Obama who is doing it... Recall Congress.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago 3
@dangerouslytalented them, too.
nsx1com 2 years ago
Obama has two things - First, he can keep his campaign promises, one of which was a rather concise statement that he did NOT support mandated health coverage. Second, he has the power of veto. He can use it. Or not. So, while the complete failure of a Democratic congress definitely reminds us that it's time to kick the trash to the curb election, Obama, in failing to exercise his own responsibilities, is also at fault.
l0gically 2 years ago 5
Don't jesusify the government and obama... Dont perpetuate the autocratic consensus, the people of the nation are equally to blame. Where is the staunch activism, so vibrant in the 60s? is that the only time peopled cared?
Charles0in0charge 2 years ago 4
man i cant wait to get out of this goddamned land of the greedy and self absorbed.
paranormal17 2 years ago 5