The root point isn't even sexuality. Liberty is the absence of artificial boundaries. Mr Sorba, regardless of his stated position, believes it is government's duty to enforce the standards of the majority upon the minority. This is the conundrum in the label "Conservative". If we believe in small government and individual Liberty, Mr Sorba is clearly a Big-Government Progressive.
Somewhere in all this he says the end of sex ought to be procreation so I guess old married couples of whom the wife has past menopause should immediately cease to ever have sex again!!
somewhere in all this he says the end of sex ought to be procreation so I guess old married couples of whom the wife has past menopause should immediately cease to ever have sex again!!
If people would have sex only to have children then they would have sex only as many times as they would have kids, so no one treats it rationally, weather they can or cannot have children.
The exact reason why people are so strongly opposed to sexual deviations and particularly homosexuality is irrational. You say that its a deviation because its not a norm. Well some people like more salt the others, some people eat things majority don't like, some poeple sky dive etc.
Mr. Sorba is correct, and precisely so. His argument, taken from Natural Law, the Telos of an activity or an essence, Aristotle, St. Augustin then St. Thomis Aquinas, is well thought out and reasoned. Either reason rules the passions-and a healthy society can exists or passions rule reason and no society or culture can survive. If you have heretofore not had the opportunity I encourage you to read: Aristotle, St. Augustine, and St. Thomas Aquinas. I wish you well and keep up the good work.
Mr. Sorba is correct, and precisely so. His argument, taken from Natural Law, the Telos of an activity or an essence, Aristotle, St. Augustin then St. Thomis Aquinas, is well thought out and reasoned. Either reason rules the passions-and a healthy society can exists or passions rule reason and no society or culture can survive. If you have heretofore not had the opportunity I encourage you to read: Aristotle, St. Augustine, and St. Thomas Aquinas. I wish you well and keep up the good work.
If one cares about the Constitution, individual liberty, property rights, and limited government, I don't give a hoot who one chooses to love or have sex with. Let's please not let the conservative movement get distracted by such sideshow issues and pander to a small, loud, obnoxious group of goofballs on BOTH sides of the issue. Let's keep focused on the core issues of the conservative movement and removing President Obama from the White House in 2012.
Repressed and in-denial Sorba pines for the USA to be a theocracy. Plus he's a self promoting attention seeking fool caught in the past. He's a hot mess that won't come to terms with his own feelings ...so he lashes out with his wacky theocratic bs which he tries to mangle into some kind of logical "science." What a joke. He's another Cohen, Craig, West, Haggart,...or any other of the many repressed closet cases in the Republican party. Homoloathing is a choice with no positive outcomes.
Interesting, and to follow his natural law theory to its logical progression: oral sex is sinful because the reproductive organs are only for reproduction, so is anal sex, so is masturbation, and so is anything other than condomless vaginal sex. Why are infertile people allowed to get married if the purpose of sex is reproduction? BECAUSE ITS ABOUT LOVE. It odesn't matter if you are gay or straight, it's about love. This guy is a rambling weirdo from a Catholic seminary in 1951.
Ryan abused his invitation as a representative of a conservative group to make a raging rant against the sponsors of the event. He is not a small government conservative. He is the Christian equivalent of the Taliban.
So, Ryan is not planning on ever engaging in any sexual act that doesn't have procreation as it's rational purpose? Is he in favor of outlawing all contraceptives because they are used with the intent to engage in sexual behavior in defiance of his assertion that "the rational end of the reproductive organ is the reproductive act"?
That is so nonsensical. Humans are social creatures. Sexual expression is part of bonding behavior. It's not just about reproduction. What a tool.
Pardon my rather strident tone, but Mr. Sorba really ought to enroll in more than one semester of undergraduate philosophy before assailing his listeners with such a pedantic and misguided apologetic of "Phallic Fundamentalism". Such wanton casuistry, employed surreptitiously to encroach upon individual liberty and inalienable rights, embodies a threat to our Republic immeasurably more sinister than the bedroom habits of any freedom-loving person whose sexual aesthetics deviate from our own.
I think folks have the right to be whatever they want to be, but I must say that gay Republicans really baffle me. Why would anyone want to be a member of a group that at best want to deny your right to be who you are, and in very large measure wants to deny your rights altogether or even desires your extinction? So you end up allying yourselves with people like this guy, who feel perfectly justified in their open bigotry. Why? Seems a lot like trying to be a black Klansman to me.
"The only intelligible end of the reproductive organ is reproduction."
Therefore, I must be acting irrationally every time I take a piss.
And he needs to look up what a Libertarian is, as a card-carrying member of the Libertarian party, I can say without a shadow of a doubt he has been gravely misinformed as to what Libertarians stand for. I left the Republican party (among other reasons) to get away from bigots like him.
GOProud just needs to keep going the way it is, and let Sorba and his ilk keep trying to conceal a sunrise behind a tennis racket, and WE WILL WIN because we are working toward changing hearts and minds by acquainting those who may not know any gay people with the fact of our existence and showing by how we live our lives that we aren't the bogeymen we've been made out.
The difference between liberal and conservative LGBT is this: Liberals say "I'm gay" Conservatives say "I'm also gay."
Ryan Sorba is dead right, all these morons who are defending homosexual rights are nothing more than LIBERTARIANS LYING about their political affiliation. CPAC has become FUDGEPAC
I thought this guy was an idiot after what he said on stage, then after listening him for a couple minutes, he seemed rather smart, but after listening to him completely I don't even think he knows what he's talking about.
It is sad that a sociological conservative and economical oriented Party becomes focused on "gay rights" intertwining it with liberty. It strikes me as pandering to the liberal media playing into their trap and allowing them to dictate the focus of the national debates. If you conservatives want to gain the iniative you have to go on the offensive, not raise insignificant issues that only leftists care about. Even if "gay rights" are true, it should not be the focus of any conservative group.
Sorba has a right to his beliefs, as do the gay activists, but the first speaker is right. True conservatives who are interested in constitutionally limited govt have to recognize the equal rights of gays to live, marry, etc. His remarks about natural law are BS. To follow his logic, straight people would have to vow to reproduce in order for their marriages to be legal and viable.
What's interesting is that no one seems to be able to refute Ryan with logic. They only resort to calling him a bigot or a "closet-gay." Calling him names doesn't win the debate.
Okay, I take up the challenge of refuting him with logic. He has basically claimed that people derive their rights from the act of sexual reproduction. Not only that, but only people who have sex to reproduce are reasonable. This is a two side lie. First, god gave man free will and the ability to chose. Man derives all his rights from god, even his he never reproduces. Second, how many teenage mothers had sex to have children. It was an act of pleasure as is almost all sex.
@Dakota2063 The fact that it feels good is incidental. Pissing feels good, but you don't piss just for a good time (at least I hope not.) You piss because your body requires it. The same is true of eating. We take pleasure in it, but ultimately there is a reason we must do it. To divorce the sexual act from procreation makes about as much sense as chewing up food and then spitting it out because we just wanted to taste something good.
@backwoodsninja divorcing the fact that sex is pleasurable does undermine the whole argument. We have sex for pleasure, and when we finally want to, kids. Most people indulge in sex with no intention or desire to have children from that act. Rapist don't go around to have a lot of children. And to your food example, we may swallow food we choose, but you don't ever eat food that isn't pleasurable do you? Pleasure from sex is not incidental, it's very important.
@Dakota2063 Personally, I really don't concern myself with another person's sex life. But let's be blunt. To say that sticking one's penis into someone else's anus is just as natural as putting a penis in a vagina is quite laughable. Yes, most teenage mothers engaged in the act just for pleasure, but look what happened. Nature took its course. They call it an "accidental" pregnancy, but how foolish. If you have sex and someone gets pregnant, that's not an accident, that's natural.
@backwoodsninja But my point was that they don't do it for the act of reproduction, thus they are doing it out of passion, which as Ryan Sorba was using to say that gays don't have the ability to reason. I also never mentioned that homosexual sex was natural, I was however defending them on the fact that they too are humans that also reason.
So how many more of you are going to use that same old tired "shame into silence" tactic by saying Ryan is a closet homo? A tactic spelled out in After the Ball on pg 226. So if you beliee homosexuality is okay, then why woud you use it in a pejorative sense by trying to accuse Ryan od being acloset homo? Homosexual and their political shame tactics only expose you all more for what you are..a walking contradiction.
Ryan Sorba is not just intelligent, he IS VERY rational. Homosexuals and their sympathizers will do their best to discredit him, because he truly turns his worldview upside down with truth
Ryan is technically correct. This is classical Socratic logic as interpreted by Saint Thomas Aquinas. Man has the faculty of reason and looking at reproductive system the purpose of a reproductive act is reproduction. If one chooses to ignore the reasonable ends of an act, any act, then one implies that intellect and reason itself is not a compass for behavior or judgement. Thus one is free to pursue their appetites.
Ryan, great job, brother. Well said. The bottom line is that the pro-sodomite "conservatives" can't rebut anything you have said substantively. All they can do is attempt to censor you. And pro-homo, pro-aborts are great at that...
you and people like ryan are the reason that the right in this country are seen as itiots and hypocrits who want small government only in the parts where it it effects you
Lesbians, one and all. I would like to give you a little ammo against this guy. You really want to piss him off? Next time he speaks, you gather and chant this. "His name is Ryan Paulson!" TRUST ME... You will piss him off. Why? Because this was his name before he changed it. San Bernardino is ashamed of you Ryan Paulson! Changing your name because you hate your Dad? HONOR YOUR MOTHER, AND FATHER! That's a quote from your own good book. But you only listen to the rules you like.
@ulstermandc he sounds pretty intelligent to me. you're just mad because he's way smarter then you...you wish you were that smart. too bad you're not. too bad you're just really stupid and really gay. sucks to be you.
Listenting to this JACKASS is excruciating. It literally drains the blood from your head listening to Sorba pontificate his moral highground in science & philosophy, "the bible according to Sorba" & and "ancient and natural history according to Sorba". It's apparent he LOVES to hear himself talk-A LOT. What's more, I wonder if Sorba has ever heard the philosophical premise of "Thou dost protest entirely too much!". The louder he screams about gays, the more apparent he is gay.
Homosexuals accuse all those who reject homosexual marriage of being bigots and closet homosexuals. "Tolerance for the opinions of homosexuals only" is the homosexual mantra. Yawn.
There is no place, in the Republican Party for GoProud, a disgruntled and whiny homosexual leftist group. You speak for most Republicans Ryan Sorba. Kudos to you!
Why people are even discussing this?!. Is all about giving the LGBT people equal rights before the law PERIOD. He also talks about reason and rationality. What is more rational than to follow the latest scientific findings pointing to Biological causes as the reason for Homosexuality and that it can not be changed nor is a personal choice!!.
Tis true. He hated 'niggers' and 'faggots' only to be arrested for giving oral to a black man in a XXX movie theater. Mr. Sorba has a long road of accepting his sexuality in the future. The truth always finds the light.
I feel bad for Mr. Sorba. My bro was anguished, turned to drugs and alcohol in hopes of ignoring his reality which inevitably lead to his losing friends, familial relationships, jobs and finding trouble with the law. He eventually was able to accept himself and see that he was loved, respected, and needed for who he genuinely was. Mr. Sorba has a long, difficult journey ahead of him.
Ryan's statements about natural and human rights are correct. I've posted a video that Ryan might as well have used to build his case - "Human Rights" - J.W. Montgomery Part 1/10
But, but... buttsecks doesn't reproduce, and is merely for pleasure! Conservative behavior needs to be grounded in reason! Like sending ground troops into Afghanistan *and* Iraq, or massive government spending and tax cuts for the rich at the same time!
So... do you think he's going to sell his sporty car, and buy an underpowered Yugo instead? Because apparently, Republicans are supposed to do massively unwise things, while not enjoying life.
@4bimmers Homosexuals accuse all those who reject homosexual marriage of being bigots and closet homosexuals. "Tolerance for the opinions of homosexuals only" is the homosexual mantra. Yawn.
There is no place, in the Republican Party for GoProud, a disgruntled and whiny homosexual leftist group. You speak for most Republicans Ryan Sorba. Kudos to you!
along with homosexuality he is condeming masterbation and sex for pleasure. I dont know how anybody can agree with that lmao. guy must hate having fun.
This is very interesting, according to mister Sorba, the penis is just a tool for reproduction and nothing els, witch means that he never gets a random boner and he doesn't masturbate or have sex with women that won't have a baby with him. These are the typical words of a man that has erection problems or has a very small penis, basically what he's saying is "I can't get any sex because I'm a sexually frustrated impotent micro penis and I am very mad about my condition"
@alexandreleverrier Dear animal rights activist, save yourself some time and frustration, we all know what you want so just say it, you secretly urge to go home and beat up and abuse your pets, it's so obvious. Dear pro-lifer, just admit it, you want to get pregnant only b/c you secretly urge to have an abortion. Dear firefighter, just admit it, you only fight fires and try to rescue people from them b/c you secretly urge to commit arson and/or light people on fire
@theelliechronicles just say it, you want a big dick up your ass, it's so obvious, Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Ted haggard, bob Allen, Glenn Murphy, Roy Ashburn and many more, all of these men were busted with a dick in the the ass and they're all anti gay ?! common man, seriously, don't you think people get it by now ? It's pretty simple, Anti gay means self hating homosexual, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. If you hate homosexuals, you better take a good look in to yourself.
The Republican Party is no home for LGBT people. It is but a waste of time trying to change the party to make it gay friendly. Do something quick and safer and join the second largest pro-capitalist party with an LGBT friendly agenda, the Libertarian Party.
I feel that he is a walking contradiction of himself and his voice; trying to challenge GOProud, at the same time being ashamed of showing his face when you interviewed him. It feels as if he just beaten up a kid, runs away, hides up a tree, and refusing to come down from his parents to face the consequences of his actions, as if he thinks it's just a game. I feel dishonored that he represents the state of California.
The only people who are against this guy are fags and dog fuckers...HAHAHA...really...PEOPLE THAT FUCK DOGS!!!! You peeps are nuts and definitely in the same category. @dogsneedpleasuretoo...dude, you really want rights for blowing your DOG??? Is that after or before that dog just ate a turd. This is insane!!
I love the duality of how homophobia works in our society. sex is a horribly private act that is socially awkward to talk about openly in most circles and in public. but when it comes to homosexuality, we can say anything we want about sexual organs and interactions and so on to the point that it gets rather lewd itself. also, everybody seems to simply cut out the aspect of love
@Gman256 a serious amount of the homosexual bashing conservatives around the world are closeted homosexuals themselves. one need only look at priests molesting boys and senators blowing puerto ricans in airports
He also doesn't have a clue about the intellectual dialogues he references. He cites Locke, Aguinas, Aristotle and of course, the Bible (which version?) as the basis of his understanding of "natural rights", but he then proceeds to skip the entirety of Social Contract theory from which the concepts of "civil rights" and "legal rights", "liberty" emerges in relation to liberal democracy as a form of governance, and just conflates "natural rights" as the basis of "civil rights."
I bet u didnt object to obama using religious groups to support his healthcare reform. Using the phrase my brothers keeper. If you didnt like proposition 8 you have a problem witht he manner in which the california consitution can be amended not with gay marriage.
@darkwolfx333 We need to define marriage between a man and a woman in the constitution. Plus the way gays acted in California after Prop 8 towards churches and members of those churches was totally out of line
@JohnRhysMusician no we ned to have the government out of lives not having tehm to hold up a definition that a religion has defind. I want fredom not theocracy.
JohnRhysMusician @darkwolfx333 Gays do not have the right to marry another person of the same sex. You have equal rights, you have the right to marry a person of the opposite sex. I don't think gay marriage activists or their allies realize what a can of worms they are trying to open here. If you see a supreme court ruling in their favour you will see polygamy, zoophilia, etc. in the US.
ya just like here in Canada we have had same sex marriage since 2002 and nation wide since 2005. lol now there is polygamy and zoophilia EVERYWHERE lol.. please.
@JohnRhysMusician Yes i do . I dont agree with those things at all but the government shouldnt be in marriage but if there going to be you cant deny a group because a certian religion says so.
@darkwolfx333 Well I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. I don't believe there is legitimate or strong evidence that homosexuality is innate. I believe that it is something of the mind that occurs through different environmental and social factors.
Very fascinating I mean there are epic fails, but this Sorba, he makes the failures of Farwell, and James Dobson seem like comparing the proof of light beer as compared to quick silver. What Farwell did for racist to condone their bigotry, this idiot seems to be the one to do the same against LGBT people. Is that a bible I see in his dire future to replace Pat Robertson
Completely irrational, illogical and might i say idiotic. Only a few times I have heard such a poor copy of extreme bigotry.
@JohnRhysMusician Well it is simply how many people "feel" about gay people, as compared to the facts and reality of the situation. We are people who simply want our equal rights, which include being able to marry the person we have been with for many years, and in many cases we are married with by a religious leader.
Sorba takes in what the religious right's idea of what they think gay people are, as compared to what we really are.
His line "i don't hate gays, but" is a perfect example.
The pro-homosexual agenda is to use the coercive power of the state illegitimately to force citizens to accept and give public recognition/support to behavior that is merely degeneracy and a private vice in the view of most people. It's anti-libertarian and anti-conservative.
It's homo-fascism, and the movement's history is ably researched and presented in Lively and Abrahams's 'The Pink Swastika'.
Ryan Sorba has a serious mental disorder. It would be easy to hate him but with a little effort it would behoove anyone to forgive him and pray he finds the man he wants so badly. Thou doth protest too much Ryan...take a real close look at your bud Ted Haggard.
Fags piss me off but they should not be denied rights. You know what who gives a fuck if they get married there are bigger problems now. Gays and lesbians have a mental disorder. Should other people with mental disorders be prevented from getting married??
mental disorder? In nature, same sex couples & bisexuals appear in each generation at regular levels. This is an expression of the natural world's diversity on many levels. Same sex parenting is common, too. So your disorder argument is without foundation unless- LOL - you get your natural science from a religious book
And you're right, nature doesn't care what people think. It makes mistakes and mutations all the time. Its always making things that don't work correctly. Cancer, mental retardation, disfiguration, all occurring at pretty regular intervals. Humans are the only ones that say its ok to be dysfunctional though the organism fails to fulfill its whole purpose. What good is that Mr. science? Mutations like homosexuality are to be accepted by society, but not a part of it.
Homosexuality is not a mutation. It is part of nature's genetic and biological diversity. Its part of the social glue of almost every bird and mammal species known,
Its not biological diversity. Its genetic breakdown. Its a bunch of neurons in the brain that don't fire right. Its a mental disorder. And its about as common as any other mental, or medical disorder. You despise religion yet you play off nature like its a person with a plan not some random roll of the dice. Make up your mind. Do you believe in god or not?
So you say. But Nazis werent complete liars just perverters of the truth. That means they twisted it to their own ends. Similar to your opinions. You cant sieze power by completely lying. The Nazis were also were also all about gun control and Big Government and a whole lot of other things that the left just loves, such as forcing their ideals and beliefs on other people, abolishing religion, and denying lesser freedoms for their greater purposes.
You cannot create another human being with two men or two women. Which means if everyone was gay the human race would die out. Also a disease is any threat to the human well being and survival so homosexuality can be catagorized as a disease. I dont beleive in relegion.
That's where you're wrong. The world is all about reproduction. This thing we call society doesn't count for jack shit unless we make more people to carry it along. People always look at society now and forget about history. Look at the Roman empire, the Persian empire, those all decayed and fell and the instigator was always the common acceptance of homosexuality. Don't believe me try reading a history book sometime. Family and home fall into decay, everything does.
And you clearly don't know much history. I have studied the ancient Rome, Greece, Mesopotamia and nothing you said is true. Just what book told you this jibberish? I'll bet YOU have not studied these matters and only read something on a right wing rag and are repeating. I am betting you can't cite a book you've read on the history of Roman civilization. You are a phony like all the historically ignorant right wingers. You're barren of facts.
Are you trying to deny the prevalence of homosexuality in those empires or what? What exactly are you asking me? to state a book that's all about how homosexuality caused the downfall of those empires? Nobody bothers to write books about that. The history channel and BBC have done reports on the sexual deviancy of several empires and how it lead to instability in the government. Though homosexuality wasnt directly pointed as the cause no book is dictating my interpretation. I think for myself.
And why does it matter who wrote the reports I have read on the matter? Its not like you have the open-mindedness to consider such a script without extreme bias. you would simply pass it off as a "right wing rag" and it would all be pointless anyway. Even if it was well founded and backed up with solid facts, which they are, I see no point in putting anything like that in an extremists hands. you want to know so bad you go find them. And we'll see how dedicated you are to knowing the truth.
You have some kind of weird faith in humanity. People don't write books on this stuff. They're called thesis papers. And its been 3 years since I read them. I have no clue where they are. They were detailing the degradation of the family as the fundamental unit of society leading to the downfall of the roman empire through factors such as sexual deviancy.
Do your research on the emperors; like Caligula. The promiscuity lead the entire empire to instability.
@byuscottira CONSERVATIVE FAIRY TALES. Caligula was an anomaly and he was assassinated because of it. 4 starters You need to read EDWARD GIBBON'S The History Of The Decline & Fall Of The Roman Empire. Its a must read classic. For history of the rise of church-state alliances in the Empire from 306 to 565AD read my stopthereligiousright dotty orgy slash alliancetoc dotty htm In it I chronicle Emperors Constantine, Constantius, Julian, Valens, Valentinian, Theodosius 1&2 , Marcianus, Justinian
Yeah perfect. Cite perverters of religion to serve your purpose. That makes you no different than them. You act like people idealize corrupt men who twist peoples beliefs to their own ends. Only if it serves their purpose right? I guess your canonizing of these un-canonized men makes you a follower of them.
And the Homosexual supporter attacks on the Mormon churches, the most peaceful Christian religion of all, doesnt sway me to your idea of religion being the instigator of violence.
Ins the old day we use to call something "Normal" if it fell within =/- 2 standard deviation from the mean of some bell shaped curve. If it fell outside those two cut-offs we did NOT call it Normal.
If you plotted the sum of all the men that loved everything from chickens to JLo to Beck you would probably get a bell shaped curve. I would bet JLo has more admirers that does either chickens at one extreme to nice looking men at the other. Chicken lovers would NOT be in the +/- 2 deviations!
saying sex should only be used for procreation is like saying food should only be eaten by people on the brink of starvation...if conservatives listen to douchebags like this guy the future of the GOP is not that bright (even after Obama)
Homosexuality is only a problem in that its degrading to the fundamentals of the family which is the foundation of society. Homosexuals need to just be who they are and let everyone else be who they are and stop trying to force everyone else to accept them as a normal part of society. Because that's what this is all about. They want to be accepted and considered normal. It wont work, you cannot change the way people think and that is that.
You ever noticed how homophobes care more about homosexuality than homosexuals?
ThePhantom135 1 week ago
He talks of reason, and yet he excludes 500 years philosophical progress in the field.
akrifasouth 3 months ago
Wow - so much talk of sexual organs. I don't even hear this kind of talk in gay bars.
akrifasouth 3 months ago
I agree with him that charity should rule human activity, not eros. But homosexuals can be ruled by Charity as well.
strawberryseason 6 months ago
The root point isn't even sexuality. Liberty is the absence of artificial boundaries. Mr Sorba, regardless of his stated position, believes it is government's duty to enforce the standards of the majority upon the minority. This is the conundrum in the label "Conservative". If we believe in small government and individual Liberty, Mr Sorba is clearly a Big-Government Progressive.
TheShoeBadou 6 months ago
LMAO @ a creationist invoking "natural law" to support his homophobic thesis. talk about "disingenuous," call it what it is: Old Testament law.
88xmetal 7 months ago
@88xmetal JESUSWASNOTAJEW(.)COM
Prothink2 6 months ago
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Somewhere in all this he says the end of sex ought to be procreation so I guess old married couples of whom the wife has past menopause should immediately cease to ever have sex again!!
amymeanslove 9 months ago
somewhere in all this he says the end of sex ought to be procreation so I guess old married couples of whom the wife has past menopause should immediately cease to ever have sex again!!
amymeanslove 9 months ago
If you don't have a rational argument for you case
and you only have a PURELY EMOTIONAL argument, then you can't debate
PERFECT absolutely perfect
phatso1986 9 months ago
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I love it
"rational nature"
faggots use the excuse that animals do it, so should we
Humans' logical thinking is wat sets us apart from animals
you don't see humans eating raw meat, or eating shit the way animals do
because a perverted group wants everyone to accept them, they have to twist reality in order to validate their perversion?
phatso1986 9 months ago
@phatso1986
If people would have sex only to have children then they would have sex only as many times as they would have kids, so no one treats it rationally, weather they can or cannot have children.
The exact reason why people are so strongly opposed to sexual deviations and particularly homosexuality is irrational. You say that its a deviation because its not a norm. Well some people like more salt the others, some people eat things majority don't like, some poeple sky dive etc.
serialkiller1990 8 months ago
Mr. Sorba is correct, and precisely so. His argument, taken from Natural Law, the Telos of an activity or an essence, Aristotle, St. Augustin then St. Thomis Aquinas, is well thought out and reasoned. Either reason rules the passions-and a healthy society can exists or passions rule reason and no society or culture can survive. If you have heretofore not had the opportunity I encourage you to read: Aristotle, St. Augustine, and St. Thomas Aquinas. I wish you well and keep up the good work.
chesterton401 10 months ago
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Mr. Sorba is correct, and precisely so. His argument, taken from Natural Law, the Telos of an activity or an essence, Aristotle, St. Augustin then St. Thomis Aquinas, is well thought out and reasoned. Either reason rules the passions-and a healthy society can exists or passions rule reason and no society or culture can survive. If you have heretofore not had the opportunity I encourage you to read: Aristotle, St. Augustine, and St. Thomas Aquinas. I wish you well and keep up the good work.
chesterton401 10 months ago
If one cares about the Constitution, individual liberty, property rights, and limited government, I don't give a hoot who one chooses to love or have sex with. Let's please not let the conservative movement get distracted by such sideshow issues and pander to a small, loud, obnoxious group of goofballs on BOTH sides of the issue. Let's keep focused on the core issues of the conservative movement and removing President Obama from the White House in 2012.
dmreeoogdaq 10 months ago 3
Repressed and in-denial Sorba pines for the USA to be a theocracy. Plus he's a self promoting attention seeking fool caught in the past. He's a hot mess that won't come to terms with his own feelings ...so he lashes out with his wacky theocratic bs which he tries to mangle into some kind of logical "science." What a joke. He's another Cohen, Craig, West, Haggart,...or any other of the many repressed closet cases in the Republican party. Homoloathing is a choice with no positive outcomes.
seahorse05 10 months ago 7
Interesting, and to follow his natural law theory to its logical progression: oral sex is sinful because the reproductive organs are only for reproduction, so is anal sex, so is masturbation, and so is anything other than condomless vaginal sex. Why are infertile people allowed to get married if the purpose of sex is reproduction? BECAUSE ITS ABOUT LOVE. It odesn't matter if you are gay or straight, it's about love. This guy is a rambling weirdo from a Catholic seminary in 1951.
nwuguy23 10 months ago 3
Ryan abused his invitation as a representative of a conservative group to make a raging rant against the sponsors of the event. He is not a small government conservative. He is the Christian equivalent of the Taliban.
writerJerome 10 months ago
It's funny how the people who hate homosexuality the most seem to think about it all the time.
hehe
hahahah
HAHAHAHAHA XD
dsalazar19 10 months ago 3
If anyone doubts what a total homo Ryan Sorba is, check out his FB profile. LOL - Jesus Christ!
jeremyrfritz 11 months ago
Ted Haggard is completely heterosexual...
Larry Craig is completely heterosexual...
Lindsey Graham is completely heterosexual...
and so is Ryan Sorba!
Me thinks the lady doth protest too much!
Liberty4Ever 11 months ago 6
So, Ryan is not planning on ever engaging in any sexual act that doesn't have procreation as it's rational purpose? Is he in favor of outlawing all contraceptives because they are used with the intent to engage in sexual behavior in defiance of his assertion that "the rational end of the reproductive organ is the reproductive act"?
That is so nonsensical. Humans are social creatures. Sexual expression is part of bonding behavior. It's not just about reproduction. What a tool.
Liberty4Ever 11 months ago 3
gay. Seen all this before. Scott Lively Jr.
canyonwlkr 11 months ago
Who the fuck says "insofar" in everyday speak? He's obviously gay.
jpmorgan187 1 year ago
What a stupid fuck tard that Ryan Sorba lol!!!
marly9 1 year ago
Was it you he was blowing?
kase42 1 year ago
Pardon my rather strident tone, but Mr. Sorba really ought to enroll in more than one semester of undergraduate philosophy before assailing his listeners with such a pedantic and misguided apologetic of "Phallic Fundamentalism". Such wanton casuistry, employed surreptitiously to encroach upon individual liberty and inalienable rights, embodies a threat to our Republic immeasurably more sinister than the bedroom habits of any freedom-loving person whose sexual aesthetics deviate from our own.
aporia34 1 year ago 3
I think folks have the right to be whatever they want to be, but I must say that gay Republicans really baffle me. Why would anyone want to be a member of a group that at best want to deny your right to be who you are, and in very large measure wants to deny your rights altogether or even desires your extinction? So you end up allying yourselves with people like this guy, who feel perfectly justified in their open bigotry. Why? Seems a lot like trying to be a black Klansman to me.
bluv6 1 year ago
@bluv6 Times are a changing
mmn91 1 year ago
@bluv6 Considering that Sorba was roundly boo'ed off the stage by the MAJORITY at the gathering makes your premise difficult to defend.
j1a2r34 1 year ago
"The only intelligible end of the reproductive organ is reproduction."
Therefore, I must be acting irrationally every time I take a piss.
And he needs to look up what a Libertarian is, as a card-carrying member of the Libertarian party, I can say without a shadow of a doubt he has been gravely misinformed as to what Libertarians stand for. I left the Republican party (among other reasons) to get away from bigots like him.
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runryrorun 1 year ago
I don't get it, if the purpose of it is for just reproduction, shouldn't they ban sex with a condom?
13lackLight 1 year ago 3
GOProud just needs to keep going the way it is, and let Sorba and his ilk keep trying to conceal a sunrise behind a tennis racket, and WE WILL WIN because we are working toward changing hearts and minds by acquainting those who may not know any gay people with the fact of our existence and showing by how we live our lives that we aren't the bogeymen we've been made out.
The difference between liberal and conservative LGBT is this: Liberals say "I'm gay" Conservatives say "I'm also gay."
theengagedfew 1 year ago
What about the most important and basic natural need of all humans LOVE!!!!! da?
4ABurdick 1 year ago
I don't care about gays one way or the other, but I always have to wonder about those who DO make a big deal out of it.
And this guy is talking pseudo-philosophy. Rationalism is but one of many schools of thought and it is not based on any first principles.
b1naryd1g1t5 1 year ago
I don't care about gays one way or the other, but I always have to wonder about those who DO make a big deal out of it.
b1naryd1g1t5 1 year ago
Since we're being so absolutionist: Let's take it for granted that, objectively, some things are true and some things are untrue.
If any perception, true or untrue, can be rationalized as true, then rationalization alone is insufficient to ascertain truth.
Any perception can be rationalized as true or untrue.
Therefore, rationalization alone is insufficient to ascertain truth.
Simply put: Sorba has totalitarian values. Does a bonobo violate natural law due to its "free will"?
forrestcrow 1 year ago
Ryan Sorba is dead right, all these morons who are defending homosexual rights are nothing more than LIBERTARIANS LYING about their political affiliation. CPAC has become FUDGEPAC
usmc7242 1 year ago
Ryan Sorba stood up for conservatives and the truth, and guess what? He was right about GoProud after all
funk7000 1 year ago
He's trying to sound like a philosopher. He's anything but.
tirefire2009 1 year ago
Yeah, he is definitely gay...He thinks he speaks truth, but it just half-baked theories...what a joke...
elrito1 1 year ago
He doesn't really know what he's talking about...
magnokarl 1 year ago
I thought this guy was an idiot after what he said on stage, then after listening him for a couple minutes, he seemed rather smart, but after listening to him completely I don't even think he knows what he's talking about.
TheRationalOptimist 1 year ago
it is almost strange to hear someone so 'logically' hold these views in 2011 (well, I guess it is from 2010).
redrajani 1 year ago
It is sad that a sociological conservative and economical oriented Party becomes focused on "gay rights" intertwining it with liberty. It strikes me as pandering to the liberal media playing into their trap and allowing them to dictate the focus of the national debates. If you conservatives want to gain the iniative you have to go on the offensive, not raise insignificant issues that only leftists care about. Even if "gay rights" are true, it should not be the focus of any conservative group.
killerbee2k 1 year ago
Only deeply closeted gay people become this obsessed with the issue to portray themselves as straight.
Gasolinealley00 1 year ago
Ryan Sorba probably sucks cock, but, really, gay Republicans deserve scorn.
expatted 1 year ago
Sorba has a right to his beliefs, as do the gay activists, but the first speaker is right. True conservatives who are interested in constitutionally limited govt have to recognize the equal rights of gays to live, marry, etc. His remarks about natural law are BS. To follow his logic, straight people would have to vow to reproduce in order for their marriages to be legal and viable.
jteutulsr 1 year ago
What's interesting is that no one seems to be able to refute Ryan with logic. They only resort to calling him a bigot or a "closet-gay." Calling him names doesn't win the debate.
backwoodsninja 1 year ago
@backwoodsninja
Okay, I take up the challenge of refuting him with logic. He has basically claimed that people derive their rights from the act of sexual reproduction. Not only that, but only people who have sex to reproduce are reasonable. This is a two side lie. First, god gave man free will and the ability to chose. Man derives all his rights from god, even his he never reproduces. Second, how many teenage mothers had sex to have children. It was an act of pleasure as is almost all sex.
Dakota2063 1 year ago
@Dakota2063 The fact that it feels good is incidental. Pissing feels good, but you don't piss just for a good time (at least I hope not.) You piss because your body requires it. The same is true of eating. We take pleasure in it, but ultimately there is a reason we must do it. To divorce the sexual act from procreation makes about as much sense as chewing up food and then spitting it out because we just wanted to taste something good.
backwoodsninja 1 year ago
@backwoodsninja divorcing the fact that sex is pleasurable does undermine the whole argument. We have sex for pleasure, and when we finally want to, kids. Most people indulge in sex with no intention or desire to have children from that act. Rapist don't go around to have a lot of children. And to your food example, we may swallow food we choose, but you don't ever eat food that isn't pleasurable do you? Pleasure from sex is not incidental, it's very important.
Dakota2063 1 year ago
@Dakota2063 Personally, I really don't concern myself with another person's sex life. But let's be blunt. To say that sticking one's penis into someone else's anus is just as natural as putting a penis in a vagina is quite laughable. Yes, most teenage mothers engaged in the act just for pleasure, but look what happened. Nature took its course. They call it an "accidental" pregnancy, but how foolish. If you have sex and someone gets pregnant, that's not an accident, that's natural.
backwoodsninja 1 year ago
@backwoodsninja But my point was that they don't do it for the act of reproduction, thus they are doing it out of passion, which as Ryan Sorba was using to say that gays don't have the ability to reason. I also never mentioned that homosexual sex was natural, I was however defending them on the fact that they too are humans that also reason.
Dakota2063 1 year ago
Sorba, don't name-drop John Locke. Locke said, "Every man has a property in his own person: this no body has any right to but himself."
Locke would've been fine with gay people.
MooseOfReason 1 year ago
He ain't Barry Goldwater.
MooseOfReason 1 year ago
So how many more of you are going to use that same old tired "shame into silence" tactic by saying Ryan is a closet homo? A tactic spelled out in After the Ball on pg 226. So if you beliee homosexuality is okay, then why woud you use it in a pejorative sense by trying to accuse Ryan od being acloset homo? Homosexual and their political shame tactics only expose you all more for what you are..a walking contradiction.
funk7000 1 year ago
Ryan Sorba is not just intelligent, he IS VERY rational. Homosexuals and their sympathizers will do their best to discredit him, because he truly turns his worldview upside down with truth
funk7000 1 year ago
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Only a gay man has eyebrows that well sculpted.
TheTroll342 1 year ago
I think morals are conventional.
JoFoo2 1 year ago
Ryan is technically correct. This is classical Socratic logic as interpreted by Saint Thomas Aquinas. Man has the faculty of reason and looking at reproductive system the purpose of a reproductive act is reproduction. If one chooses to ignore the reasonable ends of an act, any act, then one implies that intellect and reason itself is not a compass for behavior or judgement. Thus one is free to pursue their appetites.
mmaghola 1 year ago
Ryan, great job, brother. Well said. The bottom line is that the pro-sodomite "conservatives" can't rebut anything you have said substantively. All they can do is attempt to censor you. And pro-homo, pro-aborts are great at that...
777GJ 1 year ago
@777GJ
you and people like ryan are the reason that the right in this country are seen as itiots and hypocrits who want small government only in the parts where it it effects you
GodAthie 1 year ago
@777GJ No it's just that most of what he said is pure bullshit. Saying you've read John Locke doesn't help.
rakrobn 1 year ago
I gotta a new nickname for this closeted gay guy 'Sorba the geek'.
dino0967 1 year ago
does this guy only have sex when he is being rational and trying to reproduce
sickmint79 1 year ago 2
@sickmint79 By his logic, of course. Plus, he never masturbates or urinates.
AreThereNoMoreNames 1 year ago
Whether or not homosexuality is "immoral" or "harmful" is completely irrelevant. Does this idiot think we should ban smoking and skiing?
aridchicken 1 year ago
lmao this guys face, voice, mannerisms, aura REEKS from a closet case special
Jako32 1 year ago
Lesbians, one and all. I would like to give you a little ammo against this guy. You really want to piss him off? Next time he speaks, you gather and chant this. "His name is Ryan Paulson!" TRUST ME... You will piss him off. Why? Because this was his name before he changed it. San Bernardino is ashamed of you Ryan Paulson! Changing your name because you hate your Dad? HONOR YOUR MOTHER, AND FATHER! That's a quote from your own good book. But you only listen to the rules you like.
dan7nad7dan 1 year ago
He builds himself as an intellectual, but he is really a complete asshole. This guy has major issues.
ulstermandc 1 year ago
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FuckUtube2008 1 year ago
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@ulstermandc he sounds pretty intelligent to me. you're just mad because he's way smarter then you...you wish you were that smart. too bad you're not. too bad you're just really stupid and really gay. sucks to be you.
FuckUtube2008 1 year ago
The "organ" is for pleasure too dumbass... clearly you haven't figured that out yet since I'm sure no girl would be caught in bed with you.
TheReasonParty 1 year ago 2
Does anyone know why he changed his last name from Paulson to Sorba?
ThisxBasTard 1 year ago
Listenting to this JACKASS is excruciating. It literally drains the blood from your head listening to Sorba pontificate his moral highground in science & philosophy, "the bible according to Sorba" & and "ancient and natural history according to Sorba". It's apparent he LOVES to hear himself talk-A LOT. What's more, I wonder if Sorba has ever heard the philosophical premise of "Thou dost protest entirely too much!". The louder he screams about gays, the more apparent he is gay.
DENGODFREY 1 year ago
what a dick....
pollofuentes 1 year ago
He's having trouble backing himself up because he seems to be avoiding acknowledging the right foundation.
dougmoerhoffman 1 year ago
What a closet case KUNT! Keep sucking those COCKS SOREASS SORBA!
urwhatthewho 1 year ago
This guy is a fucking scumbag.
ssallen1s 1 year ago
This guy is a complete idiot. He is definitely gay, which is why he cares so much about homosexuality.
BeRealistic101 1 year ago
this is why cons are out of fucking touch with the next generation, what a joke. Ryan is a fucking stooge.
lockwoodisafaggot 1 year ago
Homosexuals accuse all those who reject homosexual marriage of being bigots and closet homosexuals. "Tolerance for the opinions of homosexuals only" is the homosexual mantra. Yawn.
There is no place, in the Republican Party for GoProud, a disgruntled and whiny homosexual leftist group. You speak for most Republicans Ryan Sorba. Kudos to you!
1000Patriot 1 year ago
Lying sack of shizzle. I can hear the differences in their voices. Dude, doing something like that is just gay man. That's really gay.
gooddragon1 1 year ago
He is merely rationalizing his homophobia. That's all there is to it.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago
Why people are even discussing this?!. Is all about giving the LGBT people equal rights before the law PERIOD. He also talks about reason and rationality. What is more rational than to follow the latest scientific findings pointing to Biological causes as the reason for Homosexuality and that it can not be changed nor is a personal choice!!.
Lucem2 1 year ago
My older brother sounded just like this guy. Until he got arrested for blowing another guy in an adult movie theater. Funny how that works.
kbarbonnie41 1 year ago 36
@kbarbonnie41 Are you for real?
aloofbooks 1 year ago
@aloofbooks
Tis true. He hated 'niggers' and 'faggots' only to be arrested for giving oral to a black man in a XXX movie theater. Mr. Sorba has a long road of accepting his sexuality in the future. The truth always finds the light.
kbarbonnie41 1 year ago
@kbarbonnie41 Ok. I guess the truth will eventually "come out". LOL!!!!
aloofbooks 1 year ago
@kbarbonnie41 I doubt "HowTheWorldWorks" would be able to comprehend how that works. He always get owned in debates.
rakrobn 1 year ago
@rakrobn
I feel bad for Mr. Sorba. My bro was anguished, turned to drugs and alcohol in hopes of ignoring his reality which inevitably lead to his losing friends, familial relationships, jobs and finding trouble with the law. He eventually was able to accept himself and see that he was loved, respected, and needed for who he genuinely was. Mr. Sorba has a long, difficult journey ahead of him.
kbarbonnie41 1 year ago
@kbarbonnie41 even funnier that your family is ghey
killerbee2k 1 year ago
@killerbee2k
If you only understood the irony in your need to reply. Good luck on your voyage to self acceptance.
kbarbonnie41 1 year ago
@kbarbonnie41 You made my day :D
liotie 10 months ago
Ryan's statements about natural and human rights are correct. I've posted a video that Ryan might as well have used to build his case - "Human Rights" - J.W. Montgomery Part 1/10
ApologiaTV 1 year ago
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@ApologiaTV
"Ryan's statements about natural and human rights are correct. "
No, they are bullshit, in lots of ways.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago
But, but... buttsecks doesn't reproduce, and is merely for pleasure! Conservative behavior needs to be grounded in reason! Like sending ground troops into Afghanistan *and* Iraq, or massive government spending and tax cuts for the rich at the same time!
So... do you think he's going to sell his sporty car, and buy an underpowered Yugo instead? Because apparently, Republicans are supposed to do massively unwise things, while not enjoying life.
sleeplesseye 1 year ago
Where is Mr Sorba these days? Still preparing for his Sopranos audition on Broadway? Still in the closet?
4bimmers 1 year ago 2
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@4bimmers Homosexuals accuse all those who reject homosexual marriage of being bigots and closet homosexuals. "Tolerance for the opinions of homosexuals only" is the homosexual mantra. Yawn.
There is no place, in the Republican Party for GoProud, a disgruntled and whiny homosexual leftist group. You speak for most Republicans Ryan Sorba. Kudos to you!
1000Patriot 1 year ago
along with homosexuality he is condeming masterbation and sex for pleasure. I dont know how anybody can agree with that lmao. guy must hate having fun.
jollygood43 1 year ago 2
This is very interesting, according to mister Sorba, the penis is just a tool for reproduction and nothing els, witch means that he never gets a random boner and he doesn't masturbate or have sex with women that won't have a baby with him. These are the typical words of a man that has erection problems or has a very small penis, basically what he's saying is "I can't get any sex because I'm a sexually frustrated impotent micro penis and I am very mad about my condition"
alexandreleverrier 1 year ago
Ryan Sorba, save yourself some time and frustration, we all know what you want so just say it, you're a closet gay, it's so obvious.
alexandreleverrier 1 year ago 14
@alexandreleverrier Dear animal rights activist, save yourself some time and frustration, we all know what you want so just say it, you secretly urge to go home and beat up and abuse your pets, it's so obvious. Dear pro-lifer, just admit it, you want to get pregnant only b/c you secretly urge to have an abortion. Dear firefighter, just admit it, you only fight fires and try to rescue people from them b/c you secretly urge to commit arson and/or light people on fire
funk7000 10 months ago
@funk7000
dear moron,
can you tell what a fire fighter, an animal lover and a pro lifer have to do with a closet homo gay basher ?
alexandreleverrier 10 months ago
go Ryan Sorba! giving a voice to reason and truth!
theelliechronicles 1 year ago
@theelliechronicles just say it, you want a big dick up your ass, it's so obvious, Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Ted haggard, bob Allen, Glenn Murphy, Roy Ashburn and many more, all of these men were busted with a dick in the the ass and they're all anti gay ?! common man, seriously, don't you think people get it by now ? It's pretty simple, Anti gay means self hating homosexual, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. If you hate homosexuals, you better take a good look in to yourself.
alexandreleverrier 1 year ago
@theelliechronicles Ftfw.
gooddragon1 1 year ago
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The Republican Party is no home for LGBT people. It is but a waste of time trying to change the party to make it gay friendly. Do something quick and safer and join the second largest pro-capitalist party with an LGBT friendly agenda, the Libertarian Party.
ThirdPartyRevolution 1 year ago 2
Ron Paul for Presidente
sciencemunk 1 year ago
wow, a verbose sophist extraordinaire. he could give that clown WL Craig a run for his money. freaking pathetic.
Thrashaero 1 year ago
Is Lee pro gay for a hidden reason ? Hmmmmm !
hobo59 1 year ago
I feel that he is a walking contradiction of himself and his voice; trying to challenge GOProud, at the same time being ashamed of showing his face when you interviewed him. It feels as if he just beaten up a kid, runs away, hides up a tree, and refusing to come down from his parents to face the consequences of his actions, as if he thinks it's just a game. I feel dishonored that he represents the state of California.
Toltendo 1 year ago
The only people who are against this guy are fags and dog fuckers...HAHAHA...really...PEOPLE THAT FUCK DOGS!!!! You peeps are nuts and definitely in the same category. @dogsneedpleasuretoo...dude, you really want rights for blowing your DOG??? Is that after or before that dog just ate a turd. This is insane!!
Joining4theCause 1 year ago
oh i see. so sex is for making babies, but not for fun. No wonder he's surly, he doesn't masturbate. I guess that gets him off the hook.
Although there is no excuse for his reading too much philosophy. This guy is too smart for his or anyone's own good.
satyricon451 1 year ago
I love the duality of how homophobia works in our society. sex is a horribly private act that is socially awkward to talk about openly in most circles and in public. but when it comes to homosexuality, we can say anything we want about sexual organs and interactions and so on to the point that it gets rather lewd itself. also, everybody seems to simply cut out the aspect of love
fishbowl4202 1 year ago
To me this guy isn't very smart and just memorizes philosophy and doesn't have his own original thinking.
I think theres a reasonable chance this guy is gay himself or at least confused and conflicted about his sexuality.
Gman256 1 year ago
@Gman256 a serious amount of the homosexual bashing conservatives around the world are closeted homosexuals themselves. one need only look at priests molesting boys and senators blowing puerto ricans in airports
fishbowl4202 1 year ago
@Gman256
He also doesn't have a clue about the intellectual dialogues he references. He cites Locke, Aguinas, Aristotle and of course, the Bible (which version?) as the basis of his understanding of "natural rights", but he then proceeds to skip the entirety of Social Contract theory from which the concepts of "civil rights" and "legal rights", "liberty" emerges in relation to liberal democracy as a form of governance, and just conflates "natural rights" as the basis of "civil rights."
yupper99 1 year ago
all i get from this is that sorba doesn't enjoy sex.
ginsengaddict 1 year ago
I bet u didnt object to obama using religious groups to support his healthcare reform. Using the phrase my brothers keeper. If you didnt like proposition 8 you have a problem witht he manner in which the california consitution can be amended not with gay marriage.
Seaworldexists 1 year ago
@darkwolfx333 We need to define marriage between a man and a woman in the constitution. Plus the way gays acted in California after Prop 8 towards churches and members of those churches was totally out of line
JohnRhysMusician 1 year ago
@JohnRhysMusician no we ned to have the government out of lives not having tehm to hold up a definition that a religion has defind. I want fredom not theocracy.
TheJoelef 1 year ago
JohnRhysMusician @darkwolfx333 Gays do not have the right to marry another person of the same sex. You have equal rights, you have the right to marry a person of the opposite sex. I don't think gay marriage activists or their allies realize what a can of worms they are trying to open here. If you see a supreme court ruling in their favour you will see polygamy, zoophilia, etc. in the US.
JohnRhysMusician 1 year ago
ya just like here in Canada we have had same sex marriage since 2002 and nation wide since 2005. lol now there is polygamy and zoophilia EVERYWHERE lol.. please.
drew1355555 1 year ago
@JohnRhysMusician Yes i do . I dont agree with those things at all but the government shouldnt be in marriage but if there going to be you cant deny a group because a certian religion says so.
TheJoelef 1 year ago
@darkwolfx333 Well I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. I don't believe there is legitimate or strong evidence that homosexuality is innate. I believe that it is something of the mind that occurs through different environmental and social factors.
JohnRhysMusician 1 year ago
Very fascinating I mean there are epic fails, but this Sorba, he makes the failures of Farwell, and James Dobson seem like comparing the proof of light beer as compared to quick silver. What Farwell did for racist to condone their bigotry, this idiot seems to be the one to do the same against LGBT people. Is that a bible I see in his dire future to replace Pat Robertson
Completely irrational, illogical and might i say idiotic. Only a few times I have heard such a poor copy of extreme bigotry.
darkwolfx333 1 year ago
I am a strong social conservative, however what Sorba did is so inappropriate and very disgusting.
JohnRhysMusician 1 year ago
@JohnRhysMusician Well it is simply how many people "feel" about gay people, as compared to the facts and reality of the situation. We are people who simply want our equal rights, which include being able to marry the person we have been with for many years, and in many cases we are married with by a religious leader.
Sorba takes in what the religious right's idea of what they think gay people are, as compared to what we really are.
His line "i don't hate gays, but" is a perfect example.
darkwolfx333 1 year ago
The pro-homosexual agenda is to use the coercive power of the state illegitimately to force citizens to accept and give public recognition/support to behavior that is merely degeneracy and a private vice in the view of most people. It's anti-libertarian and anti-conservative.
It's homo-fascism, and the movement's history is ably researched and presented in Lively and Abrahams's 'The Pink Swastika'.
ProNorden 1 year ago 2
Biological Exuberance: Homosexuality in Animal societies at stop the religious right dotty orggy slash gayanimals dotty htm
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
Ryan Sorba has a serious mental disorder. It would be easy to hate him but with a little effort it would behoove anyone to forgive him and pray he finds the man he wants so badly. Thou doth protest too much Ryan...take a real close look at your bud Ted Haggard.
garbos2000 1 year ago
someone makes a fool of himself...so therefore give him another platform to do it again...yes good idea.
betamaxdc 1 year ago
I'm surprised this dumb fuck doesn't drown on his own saliva.
What he says about homosexuals can just as easily apply to anyone who has sex for any other reason than to reproduce.
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NadegeP1 1 year ago
The guy needs a science education. He screeches natural law while being thoroughly ignorant in matters of natural sciences.
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
Fags piss me off but they should not be denied rights. You know what who gives a fuck if they get married there are bigger problems now. Gays and lesbians have a mental disorder. Should other people with mental disorders be prevented from getting married??
laetrille 2 years ago
mental disorder? In nature, same sex couples & bisexuals appear in each generation at regular levels. This is an expression of the natural world's diversity on many levels. Same sex parenting is common, too. So your disorder argument is without foundation unless- LOL - you get your natural science from a religious book
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
Nature just doesn't give a rat's ass what people think. It just chugs along regardless of what some narrow minded fool says.
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
And you're right, nature doesn't care what people think. It makes mistakes and mutations all the time. Its always making things that don't work correctly. Cancer, mental retardation, disfiguration, all occurring at pretty regular intervals. Humans are the only ones that say its ok to be dysfunctional though the organism fails to fulfill its whole purpose. What good is that Mr. science? Mutations like homosexuality are to be accepted by society, but not a part of it.
byuscottira 1 year ago
Wow! you are one twisted sociopathic fuck!
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
Really? Name calling?
byuscottira 1 year ago
@byuscottira I have been know to flame on occasion. I save it for the most ridiculous of posts
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
Homosexuality is not a mutation. It is part of nature's genetic and biological diversity. Its part of the social glue of almost every bird and mammal species known,
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
Its not biological diversity. Its genetic breakdown. Its a bunch of neurons in the brain that don't fire right. Its a mental disorder. And its about as common as any other mental, or medical disorder. You despise religion yet you play off nature like its a person with a plan not some random roll of the dice. Make up your mind. Do you believe in god or not?
byuscottira 1 year ago
@byuscottira Genetic breakdown...........? LOL! THATS NONSENSE That is what the Nazis taught, too.
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
So you say. But Nazis werent complete liars just perverters of the truth. That means they twisted it to their own ends. Similar to your opinions. You cant sieze power by completely lying. The Nazis were also were also all about gun control and Big Government and a whole lot of other things that the left just loves, such as forcing their ideals and beliefs on other people, abolishing religion, and denying lesser freedoms for their greater purposes.
byuscottira 1 year ago
You cannot create another human being with two men or two women. Which means if everyone was gay the human race would die out. Also a disease is any threat to the human well being and survival so homosexuality can be catagorized as a disease. I dont beleive in relegion.
laetrille 1 year ago
Thats ignorant. The world is not ALL about reproduction, societies exist because of social units, civic units and social capital.
Creating humans is only part of our existence. But it does not exclude other relationships as glue in a society.
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
That's where you're wrong. The world is all about reproduction. This thing we call society doesn't count for jack shit unless we make more people to carry it along. People always look at society now and forget about history. Look at the Roman empire, the Persian empire, those all decayed and fell and the instigator was always the common acceptance of homosexuality. Don't believe me try reading a history book sometime. Family and home fall into decay, everything does.
byuscottira 1 year ago
Nonsense.
And you clearly don't know much history. I have studied the ancient Rome, Greece, Mesopotamia and nothing you said is true. Just what book told you this jibberish? I'll bet YOU have not studied these matters and only read something on a right wing rag and are repeating. I am betting you can't cite a book you've read on the history of Roman civilization. You are a phony like all the historically ignorant right wingers. You're barren of facts.
So, Mr phony, what book did you read?
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
Are you trying to deny the prevalence of homosexuality in those empires or what? What exactly are you asking me? to state a book that's all about how homosexuality caused the downfall of those empires? Nobody bothers to write books about that. The history channel and BBC have done reports on the sexual deviancy of several empires and how it lead to instability in the government. Though homosexuality wasnt directly pointed as the cause no book is dictating my interpretation. I think for myself.
byuscottira 1 year ago
And why does it matter who wrote the reports I have read on the matter? Its not like you have the open-mindedness to consider such a script without extreme bias. you would simply pass it off as a "right wing rag" and it would all be pointless anyway. Even if it was well founded and backed up with solid facts, which they are, I see no point in putting anything like that in an extremists hands. you want to know so bad you go find them. And we'll see how dedicated you are to knowing the truth.
byuscottira 1 year ago
The History Channel and the BBC have never made the claims you make. If you disagree, please cite the articles or shows.
You made a claim that homosexuality had something to do with the falls of certain cultures.
Just where did you hear this nonsense?
Give me a link at least!!!!!!
I already know. There are no links of any consequence.
Right wing nutjobs told you this shit. Even that idiot Hitler believed that pathetic hate filled conservative mythology.
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
were you not listening? I said that they hadnt made the claims. Those were the conclusions I drew from the information they presented.
And I don't keep links to programs on sexual deviancy around. I'm not a pervert, once is enough.
byuscottira 1 year ago
you said......"Nobody bothers to write books about that"
Thats because it never happened. If it did, there would be books.
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
You have some kind of weird faith in humanity. People don't write books on this stuff. They're called thesis papers. And its been 3 years since I read them. I have no clue where they are. They were detailing the degradation of the family as the fundamental unit of society leading to the downfall of the roman empire through factors such as sexual deviancy.
Do your research on the emperors; like Caligula. The promiscuity lead the entire empire to instability.
byuscottira 1 year ago
@byuscottira CONSERVATIVE FAIRY TALES. Caligula was an anomaly and he was assassinated because of it. 4 starters You need to read EDWARD GIBBON'S The History Of The Decline & Fall Of The Roman Empire. Its a must read classic. For history of the rise of church-state alliances in the Empire from 306 to 565AD read my stopthereligiousright dotty orgy slash alliancetoc dotty htm In it I chronicle Emperors Constantine, Constantius, Julian, Valens, Valentinian, Theodosius 1&2 , Marcianus, Justinian
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
Yeah perfect. Cite perverters of religion to serve your purpose. That makes you no different than them. You act like people idealize corrupt men who twist peoples beliefs to their own ends. Only if it serves their purpose right? I guess your canonizing of these un-canonized men makes you a follower of them.
And the Homosexual supporter attacks on the Mormon churches, the most peaceful Christian religion of all, doesnt sway me to your idea of religion being the instigator of violence.
byuscottira 1 year ago
@byuscottira For a good overview of the decline of Rome go to Wikipedia's article "Decline of the Roman Empire".
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
Ins the old day we use to call something "Normal" if it fell within =/- 2 standard deviation from the mean of some bell shaped curve. If it fell outside those two cut-offs we did NOT call it Normal.
If you plotted the sum of all the men that loved everything from chickens to JLo to Beck you would probably get a bell shaped curve. I would bet JLo has more admirers that does either chickens at one extreme to nice looking men at the other. Chicken lovers would NOT be in the +/- 2 deviations!
ImHappynBP 2 years ago
saying sex should only be used for procreation is like saying food should only be eaten by people on the brink of starvation...if conservatives listen to douchebags like this guy the future of the GOP is not that bright (even after Obama)
pem82sox 2 years ago
Old people screw!
ThalesAnaximander1 1 year ago
Homosexuality is only a problem in that its degrading to the fundamentals of the family which is the foundation of society. Homosexuals need to just be who they are and let everyone else be who they are and stop trying to force everyone else to accept them as a normal part of society. Because that's what this is all about. They want to be accepted and considered normal. It wont work, you cannot change the way people think and that is that.
byuscottira 2 years ago