To stlo7 (person who posted this). A license per se does not prevent "quacks" and "unqualified" doctors. There are many licensed doctors who are terrible. It is the education of students/doctors through tertiary studies that enables them to be qualified (however, improvements can be made). I would not go to a doctor if he/she did not have formal training in their field, regardless of whether they held a license or not.
I understand the DR. is not well liked amongst her peers and her bedside manner stinks!
Also sounds like she has NO repsect for PA's or NP's if you read the article she wrote that linked me to this video...
She writes that medical care is not a right, but a privelige to only those who "deserve" it...can you believe that? WHO would want his woman to treat them in the ER? Does she want to see your financial statements 1st?
the Euro has a higher money exchange so dos Japan, so rieksono read a book .And fore you money grabbers get out of the way move ******* get out the way get out the way *********
CuriousGeorge53142 doesn't seem to be quite curious enough to find facts, he just demands them as an entitlement.
So here are some facts for him: If gov't intervenes and stimulates demand on something like a house by guaranteeing loans to first time buyers, that stimulates demand artificially. This in turn makes prices go up artificially.
Same goes for anything including healthcare. So if you "guarantee" care to the sick, this will lead to higher prices and rationing. It has to.
You are talking about a government that has lied us into a war in Iraq, that has stolen about a trillion dollars to give it to corporate criminals and has put that debt on your head, a government that still has the Patriot Act as law, a government that has stolen EVERY PENNY from the Social Security TRUST Fund.
And you trust these fuckers, with you health care?
Business may be evil, but government is monopoly business that is evil.
Freedom Works. Question is who do you trust Govt? Or the Free Market ..> I'll take the Free Market any day of the week. Again .. FREEDOM WORKS . Government is absolutely the common thread in all of USA's problems.
Wow, wierd. I was standing next to the guy holding that camera.
The group I was with overwhelmed this town hall. It was so large that they had to take it outside the building and to a pavilion out back.
"It is not out of the kindness of the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker that we obtain our necessities but out of their desire for profit. Greed, then, is the engine of wealth."
She buys a "talking point"? It has been suggested to her several times!!! How is that a talking point? They said she should consider just letting her mother die.
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Of course this woman would oppose it. She's a doctor! She wants the money, she doesn't want to lose it! She is in pursuit of self-interest and does not care about people. Greedy ass doctors.
At ~1:45 in the video 'this woman' crtiticizes the government for restricting entry into medical professions. Without such restrictions she would face more competition, and probably earn less. How many greedy and uncaring people do you know advocate that they should have to compete with more people to provide their services?
its funny how their greed turns into your good health. Scumbag. "It is not out of the kindness of the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker that we obtain our necessities but out of their desire for profit. Greed, then, is the engine of wealth."
If you understood economics you would notice that she is actually not trying to defend her monopoly, but instead suggesting that the government should allow both more students into med schools and increase your ability to access non-doctor providers. The high cost of care is caused by shortages, and those would be addressed if the government didn't enforce monopolies in medicine. The problem with socialized care is also shortages, so how about they fix the Real problem? This lady is spot on.
Economics? Ok. The medical industry is the second largest in America, after the military industrial complex. People complain that this will cost too much, but wait, the private industry is even more! Plus, don't we have medicare? It works pretty good? Ironically, the older people that oppose this have medicare, or a form of public option. So yes, those are the numbers that I see. Hypocrites.
Medicare rises prices. Now it could be extended , and most of the blame could be blamed on govt intervention(i.e mandated coverage). The private is not FREE, it is under influence from a plethora of govt regulations. Yes the medical industrial complex is like the military industrial complex. It has Government to blame for its very existence. I will agree that most of the "conservative" politicians are hypocrites. And the lay public is ignorant.
@Blucius13. Well, housing and rental apartments are not FREE either because they are also regulated by the GOV. Tell me one thing that is not regulated by the US gov in America? And your saying because it's regulated and entities have rules, that there is no free enterprise? Anyone can blame the government, but without facts, blame is not compelling.
Tell me, how many countries in the world have public health care? Then, tell how me, how countries in the world have private health care only? You will notice that the REAL world is in the former, not latter. Done.
LOL. Although the UK has both public and private option, most people choose the public because they can not afford the private. Did you know that? And if the medical industry is the second largest in the US, why would it be in there interest to eliminate this entity when it brings lots of revenue? It will never be eliminated even with the public option! Hypocrites.
The public option is not cheaper. They have to pay for it with a huge tax burden . Of course when they go to get the care that has been subsidized with their own money....
Name calling seems to be typical of the fallacious non-responders in this argument. Hypocrisy is not even implied by anything you've said, so what's the point of that? It's the lack of intelligent and dispassionate reasoning among the lay people in the debate that keep the legislators from raising their own level. Keep shouting things like 'Insurance!' at meaningless intervals, though. Great. And since when does private industry revenue have anything to do with gov't desire to eliminate it?
The "REAL" world does not have the strongest economy in the world. Of course the FAKE world is going down hill, but that is because of crappy GOVERNMENT policies. Thank you Alan Greenspan. Health care can be provided not efficiently but much more efficiently in unitary governments. The large Federal system overlooking 50 states, and overlooking almost 4 million square miles has long shown they have been incapable of handling the most basic of services let alone health for over 300 million people
@Blucius13: Well, how do you define strong economy? The European Union has a higher GDP Purchasing Parity than the US. The infant mortality rate in Japan is total: 2.79 deaths/1,000 live births; the US is total: 6.26 deaths/1,000 live births. Out of 224 countries, the US ranks 50th in life expectancy - Japan is 3, Australia 7 and France 9. These countries are not the the strongest economy but has higher life expectancy and has public option. (CIA WORLD FACTBOOK 2009)
type in european debt crisis lets see europe continue its little escapade
why are you comparing the entire european union as its a country to united states
japan has a low birth rate buddy if you havent noticed but japanese dont really fuck as there soon going to be more old then young
but what about diet that is major component of life expectancy which you fail to mention in japan they eat very healthy diets(fish,rice,green tea ,etc) where as the usa is fast food mania
Once again, majority of the world has public health insurance whereas the US does not (CIA World Factobook, 2010). As far as you stating Japanese does not fuck, clearly you can't cite credible sources to justify your claim. Diet is pretty obvious, but diet alone is small slice of the pie (Crister, 2004).
If the rest of the world decided to jump off a bridge, would you jump, too? Done.
The issue is that those with public-only care have shortages; they have problems scheduling people for effectively emergency cancer operations etc. because they lack enough incentive for market participation. That doesn't have to be the case. In the US we have a monopoly-driven shortage that drives up cost. Fix the shortage by expanding capabilities, education and market participation. Then you'll be done.
Once again, rhetoric. I employ once again, that an argument is not effective without empirical evidence. You only provide an argument without numbers. Therefore, your argument is not credible. Done.
You can't control the market, but since it is manipulated we have recessions like the one we are in and it is all over the World. Why? Because the market is centrally manipulated! True free market is controlled only by supply & demand. The problem with private health care is that it is regulated by the government. The trouble has started when Nixon let himself to be corrupted by Insurance Lobbyist and this way he's people have enacted regulations that caused this mess! WE NEED TRUE FREE MARKET!
How is there competition between McDonald's, Burger King, and Wendy's? They all sell burgers. They all sell French Fries. They all have Coke. And they all have $.99 for individual items.
Actually, that's a perfect example of competition--in a competitive market with little differentiation between goods all participants eventually have to lower prices to meet the lowest-priced competitor. Or...we could just say...wow. Cause they teach that in Econ 101.
You never passed history or you would know that farmers were overcharged when they used the railroads. Before, they inefficiently used roads, but they had little choice as railroads could get their goods across the country much faster. Government regs didn't kill the railroads; cars and airplanes did.
there were some efforts by the railroads to create cartels to artificially raise prices but all free market cartels eventually break due to members of the cartel who cheat, new competitors entering the market, or foreign competitors.
Medicine is not a free market cartel, though--it is government enforced. It will not break down unless the government changes its approach. Why aren't the libertarians and free-market wonks getting behind major reforms of the monopoly to fix this? Is the GOP owned by the neo-cons or the AMA? Libertarians would have fixed this long ago.
How was there competition in the days of Vanderbilt? There was no other way for farmers to transport their crops and the prices imposed by railroads were unfair. You have no understanding of history.
To those who think no regs are better and free market is supreme, companies don't have to be truthful. And if they're big and powerful, they can often get away with giving cancer or Mad Cow to their consumers.
Actually I do. I'm getting a birthmark removed and it's going to be pretty expensive. Also, I was put on a waiting list for an elective surgery here in America.
To be clear, no fan of a free market should defend 'no regs'--the government has a very simple and obvious role in a free market: to keep it free by acting to block theft, fraud and monopolies. Trick is, if the government did Nothing the monopolies would generally break up--but they can survive long term when the gov't helps, as it has taken to doing. Health insurance even has an exemption from anti-trust regs--WTF is that? Statism, Federalism, and collectivism: bi-partisan all the way.
its a representative republic. we elect representatives and communicate with them to voice our opinions. just because the majority voted for Obama(or any representative) doesn't mean we give up all ties to our government and let them run rampant for 4 years, 6, 2 whatever. ALSO, just because one votes for Obama does not mean they want everything he stands for under the sun
You can make any kind of delusional statement you like but you forget one very important FACT. Health care is delivered by a finite number of people. If this bill passes, you will immediately lose the services of physicians who refuse to work under government formulas of care. What's your next statist move? Forcing doctors to work at the point of a gun?
are you trying to say doctors will stop practicing? thats bunk .....
this bill dosent regulate doctors,,just insurance companys.
so doctors will still be private there will always be private companys to work for,,no one is proposing changing that,,,just giving people a choice they do not currently have,,,its an option,,just one choice in a sea of others,,,get a grip there is no TAKEOVER,,,
lol @ people like you who utterly embarrass liberalism. Look at you using the "love it or leave it" argument the idiot republicans shouted when we protested the Iraq war. You're a child. Grow up.
it's ok to tell your representatives how you feel, but when you tell them the talking points you get from fox news and corporate lobbyists, then I don't think you are truly exercising democracy, I know they will try and scare people into thinking we're trying to kill old people with this bill, or that we are GOING TO force abortions, or that it's a government take-over, or that it's socialism/the devil, but at it's core it is just giving a public option, let's debate the merits of that
You're either in favor of the bill or not. You either request your representatives to support the bill or not. I dont see how taking talking points from others cheats democracy? Very few people vote for something they dont like.
she is full of crap,,,the VERY FIRST THING YOU DO IS ASK YOU HOW YOU ARE GOING TO PAY...THEN YOU FILL OUT FORMS THEN YOU WAIT AND WAIT UNLESS YOU HAVE INSURANCE AND THEN STILL YOU WAIT//
You are wrong. EVERYONE waits, no matter if you have insurance or NOT. Take a number and wait in line. We do need more doctors and more hospitals now. This bill would make the lines longer, and the care of a lesser quality.
only non emergency cases wait. if you have a fence post in your chest you dont wait. it is not economical to have dozens of health care workers twiddling their thumbs waiting for someone to come in the door. there will always be a wait. whether or not federal health care would increase wait. . . i'll leave it up to you to decide but ill say 1 thing; abuse.
I took my Father in for Chest Pains. He has a heart condition, and numerous issues regarding his heart. They checked him in, put him on a gurney, and we waited in the hall of the over stuffed ER room for 16 hours. Granted, he was being monitored, but the 16 hours was not helpful. We have excellent insurance plans. Waiting in the hall on or waiting in the waiting room.......... same thing.
Ehem..she is an ER physician. If your life is in immediate danger in an ER, they do not ask you to fill out forms first. Many ERs just send you a bill, especially if you have been there before. She is speaking for the ER she works in not every ER.
you are very ignorant. no one is denied in the emergency room. its called access apparently many people have not heard of it. this is not meant to be offensive but i suggest you do a lot more research and real life application before you start calling out professionals.
no one is denied emergency care, true ,,they will stabilize you,, thats it.. they wont treat your disease just make sure you wont die on the spot,,then they send you home,,unless Ayou can pay cash,B YOU HAVE INSURANCE,IF YOU DONT THEY DO NOTHING FOR YOU..ask me how i know this,,it happened to me ,,,so i think YOU are the ignorant one
As I said the DOCTOR doesn't ask you how you are paying for the care. We focus on the problem without letting the ability to pay influence our recommendations. Of course, you will be billed for the care.
I've been to the emergency with no insurance, kept overnight, everything needed was done and I recieved all the proper care and follow ups. YOU are the ignorant one.
yeah great for you ,,but when i went back for follow up they refused to even admit me,,i insisted to see the doctor(i saw him he turned and ran ,,then the ER director told me to go home or to see my reg doctor ,, i informed her that i was told by the doc to return for follow up...she said just go home there is nothing else i can do for you,,,,nice huh? that was 4 years ago ,,i still have same problem today,,i have to do my own surgery on myself every 4 months or so ,,they did no tests
I'm sorry about your situation and for calling you ignorant. We must have different procedures in different states. Or they don't consider your condition life threatening and expect you to take care of it yourself.
we also elected obama BECAUSE WE WANTED HEALTHCARE FOR ALL!!!HE IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE ELECTED HIM TO DO,,, THINK ABOUT IT HE RAN ON THIS HEALTHCARE FOR ALL PLATFORM,,AMERICA VOTED HIM IN THE LARGEST MANDATE IN 30 YEARS,,AMERICA WANTS THIS ,,,WE VOTED FOR IT,,THOSE THAT OPPOSE IT REPRESENT A FRINGE MINORITY VIEW
It doesn't matter what people want him to do. It matters what the Constitution authorizes the federal government to do. And you won't find providing health care anywhere in the Constitution. The 10th Amendment clearly states that those powers not given to the government by the Constitution are retained by the States. That is not a power given. Read it for yourself.
Many votes for Obama were a statement of anti-Bush, as well as the Dems in senate and the house. People are waking up and asking "oh no, what have we done"?!! In 2010 people are going to reverse their votes. It works both ways!!!!
Without the accumulation of capital, progress is impossible. Without profit, there could be no capital development or creation. Entrepreneurs who correctly anticipate the consumer's desires are rewarded with profits, while those who incorrectly anticipate consumer choices fail, and lose their capital investments. You deny that the raising of the standard of living in the U.S. to far above what it has ever been worldwide is a good thing?
Wow, so opposing government healthcare makes you the next Sarah Palin? I guess you know what a strawman is? The lady has hit it on the nail, admit it.
Time is more important than money. With public roads, you don't need to pay tolls at every intersection. Our roads are very efficient and privatizing them would probably derail efficiency.
Government is about allocating resources for the greater good, i.e. the general population. Privatization is about allocating resources for a select group of individuals. And that select group is not always in the best interest of other people.
Government is about allocating resources? OH MY GOD, how wrong you are. Government is empowered in the United States only to DEFEND people's private property. Consumers are king in the free market, they are the peons of the state under socialism. Why do you seek to destroy the individuals freedom to choose what to do with their resources?
What about the Indiana Toll Road, that's run pretty damned efficiently... much better than it used to be by the State of Indiana.
So two million people are of concern, but 38k people isn't enough blood to capture your attention? Sick, but unsurprising coming from someone from a family who fought for the Nazis.
I actually tried watching it. The guy was more boring than Ben Stein.
You are talking about FORCING a choice on the American people. I have no idea where you live, but where I live the roads are well maintained. They repave them once a year. The government has good rules for the road and good management. Rules like "always signal when making a turn, red means stop, green means go". The government sets the rules and it's up to the people to follow them.
"The government sets the rules and it's up to the people to follow them."
Tis not yours to reason why, tis but yours to do and die---EH?
This type of totalitarian thought is completely antithetical to the foundational American mores of individual liberty. Government exists to serve the people, not the people to serve the government. How'd your grandfather like obeying the government's orders in WWII Nazi Germany? Loved it?... ok then.
Farmers depend entirely on their crops. If there is a drought or too much rain, they will not be able to sell their crops. And then what are they going to do? And thanks to the FDA, we know EXACTLY what is in our food instead of just trusting the Soylent Corporation.
The roads already have competition. They compete with trains and airlines. And they cost more than driving.
How does a road get you killed? It's just a paved pathway that you drive on. Accidents are cause by human error like drinking or texting. It's not like the government leaves bridges incomplete, though (let me be simple) ACCIDENTS HAPPEN.
Those designs and enforcements would probably lead to more congestion and the rich ripping people off again.
I suppose next you're going to say we should reinstitute slavery.
THAT is the kind of common sense thinking that government will almost assuredly ignore and continue down this path toward self-destruction of our health-care system. Government interference near collapses it, then the same idiots that devised the "reform" that caused the problem, suggest that somehow, more government mandates and red tape will be the solution. Solution: GET OUT OF OUR WAY and STOP IMPEDING OUR LIBERTY! And above all else, stop shackling our children with needless debt!
And because you must use the railroad, they could charge whatever they wanted. That's what happened when the railroads had a monopoly without government intervention.
Town halls in my state are consistently angrily against socialist health care. The collectivist pinheads are in the minority at all of them, even when they're held in senior centers on weekday mornings. And the pols here are almost all Democrats! People DO NOT WANT the gummint trying to run the health care industry (nor should they).
No one except farmers. The farmers depended on the railroads to ship their goods. There was no way else to do it and so the robber barons ripped them off.
I disagree with your assumption that no one will work in America if we have HCR that offers affordable health care to everyone. Many people who have jobs cannot afford quality health care under our present system. Surely, you are not suggesting our system does not need to be reformed. You are far too intelligent to believe that. btw, I am not a communist. Your comments are polluted with insults, not reasons. Affordable health care does not mean free.
You are correct Leonidas06, it's not a question about "caring about people" as much as it's impossible to do.
All the people arguing for "affordable care for everyone" and "universal health care" never seem to be able to explain how exactly something like that would be paid for. Nothing is free, it all comes at a cost to SOMEBODY.
Wresting it away from the people/productive sectors of the economy through taxes, or inflation, is STEALING.
Why should Austrian economics be taught in a public school? Unless you're going to be a businessman in Austria, the average student doesn't need that info. That's for business school, something rich people send their kids to.
I learned a lot about biology from dissecting a fetal pig. I don't even watch movies the same way because of my film class; I see all the angles and types of shots.
NO ONE was prepared for 9/11. Bush didn't even read the report that said Osama was going to attack. The FAA can't ground planes on its own. Only the President can give the order.
Private roads? Are you deliberately being an idiot? That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. The government isn't responsible to make sure you don't talk on your cell phone or go drinking. The car companies make sure their cars are safe. The roads have nothing to do with it.
We HAVE had innovations in fire prevention. Everyone is protected. The firefighters have equipment that allows them to stay for nearly an hour in the blaze, long enough to find anyone I think. And aerial units are for putting out forest fires. They are a broad sword covering a wide area. Firefighters are a scalpel for an individual building.
You can learn from from a film which has colors and flair and action than from a dry book filled with statistics. Sorry you missed the point of Das Boot.
Das Boot is about the difficulties the Germans faced in a U-boat, not about the action. You want action watch the old German propaganda films. Imagine being in a space that measures 150ft by 10ft by 10ft with 50 people for two months at a time. You actually feel their sweat and filth as they sit bored for days waiting for action. You feel their pain, their hardships.
It's more like three hours and it's worth every second.
Where I live, the ER does not have to treat everyone and they do turn people away. It may be true that most hospitals don't deny care, but some of them do and that needs to be stopped. Everyone deserves access to affordable health care.
Firemen are highly trained people who go through a few years of education before they can even begin to apply.
But what if your house is burning and two different fire fighter companies arrive. What if they begin fighting to see who gets paid? Is that what you want?
We actually watched it in 11th grade history when learning about the mid 1800s. It was praised for its historical accuracy. I also cite Das Boot as a source since it's the most realistic U-boat film ever made.
Really? Because back in the late 19th Century, there was no government run railroads and they screwed over the farmers. Every read about the robber barons like Cornelius Vanderbilt and Leland Stanford?
Vanderbilt? The guy cut costs for consumers, beat a government subsidized monopoly, than raised the standard of living for the American people. He's a hero.
Ever watch Gangs of New York? There's one scene where Leo DiCaprio is seeing a burning house. 12 different fire trucks arrive on the scene. However, all those firemen fight each other for the right to put out this fire rather than save the people inside.
How do you propose we privatize the fire and police departments? You're only dreaming.
The private sector doesn't lead to monopolies? Did you drop out of high school for 11th Grade? Monopolies were ruining this country during the 1900s. The railroads screwed the farmers. Carnegie, Rockefeller, and all those guys had no competition and they screwed their employees.
And if the customers aren't satisfied with the private sector, where will they go? The public sector.
Please - do you actually think that the president alone would have the power to reduce the burden of Government?
Sure there are areas he can affect, and can push for such a change but in terms of actual ability to do something like that, it's not within the scope of his power.
But regardless of what he did/didn't do as president, that doesn't make some of his quotes any less true.
There are only two ways scarce commodities may be allocated... either the consumer determines where commodities go by bidding for them on the open market, or some central planner must decide who should receive those commodities... If not the individual, which group of central planners? JustPhilNY's Or mine perhaps?
Reign may refer to a monarch, but it can sometimes be used for any supreme leader.
You can't give me any legal cites because there aren't any saying Sinclair never went to a meat-packing plant. He did and it was a gripping book that made Teddy Roosevelt puke.
He was a chancellor, appointed and not voted in, like a king.
My grandfather was an apolitical German butcher who was drafted like most of the 13 million servicemen. He didn't care for Hitler and the Nazis and he never knew about the scope of the Holocaust at any time during the war.
You're right about one thing, he was a German Butcher. Just to think, had he been killed by my American capitalist liberating grandfather, I would have been spared explaining a few thousand years of history to a fool.
By butcher, I mean that meat was his trade. He cut and sold meat to people. And in the army he was a chef. A simple chef.
If my grandfather died, my grandmother would have married someone else who was similar.
In fact, there were few Nazis in the Wehrmacht. Sure, people agreed with them but there were few registered Nazis as you had to resign from the party to join the Wehrmacht.
Without Sinclair, there would still be rats in our sausages.
Most soldiers in the Wehrmacht were no different from the Red Army or the US Army: professional soldiers fighting a war. Every side did awful things. Every soldier goes home with moral guilt, even the Americans. They killed boys no older than them.
My grandfather had no influence on the war other than providing hot meals to German troops. There was nothing he could do.
WOAH, you're going to try to lump the American military in with those two totalitarian states' armed forces? The moral guilt I am talking about is not the killing of an opposing soldier in an opposing trench, I am talking about the reprisals, rapes, and war crimes the German military engaged in. Yeah, I understand, you grandfather was a slave to the state. I don't see why you wish to advocate such slavery to another state by another people today. You of all people should oppose big government.
Small government is not a dwarf holding absolute power-it's about the SCOPE of government intrusion into the lives of the people.
Ok, so because the Soviets raped 2 million women in the taking of Berlin the Germans are innocent? Because Truman was a war criminal Hitler gets a pass?
Hitler wanted universal health care, a strong military, and hell, he even paved Germany's roads. Too bad Germany didn't have the resources to treat mentally handicapped..
Germany ALREADY HAD universal health care. And you know who did it? BISMARCK!!!
The government needs to run the military, schools, health care, the roads. Anything that would be too expensive or unfair for a private company to run.
Oh they did have the resources. They just swept mentally handicapped people under the rug while people like you were at the front lines in Russia under the SS flag.
Why does the United States have the best health care available in the world if it is necessary for the government to run health care? Not even Obama supports that moon-bat position buddy. The government only exists to defend the people's life, liberty and property. That's it. We don't bow to the state here in the United States the way your Nazi family did.
Sorry, but my family never consisted of registered Nazis.
Last time I checked the Declaration of Independence it said "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". See? The government should defend the people's LIVES and today it's difficult for the people when it costs thousands of dollars for a hernia surgery.
The DofI is not a legally binding document. The Constitution is the "Supreme law of the Land."
How is the government "protecting" the people's lives when it is coercing them, when it is forcing them to receive sub-par care? Instead of trying to scare people into socialism during a recession, Obama should try to normalize this country, and bring it back to its normal, capitalistic prosperity.
If the consumer doesn't decide, the government decides. Those are the options. Why do you have faith in government? What have they ever done efficiently? What have they ever done "compassionately"? The government is a fearful servant, and a dreadful master---but that's what you Hitler Youth like.
Let me see what the government has done efficiently... 1) Won World War II. 2) Gone to the moon. 3) Pave the roads. 4) Run the post office. 5) Print your money. 6) Set time zones. 7) Provide electricity. 8) Provide free libraries. 9) Provide schools. 10) Provide police. 11) Provide firemen. 12) Provide a military. ...
HAHAHA! Efficiently? They won WWII efficiently? That's a laugh of epic proportions. War is an inefficient waste of resources, through and through-you build tanks, ship them around the world with healthy workers dressed in camo, and blow them both up... yeah, efficiency there!
Gone to the moon? Efficient? Like driving from Phoenix to Tuscon to visit the grocery store.
Pave the roads? Are you smoking crack? Those lazy guys who stand leaning on shovels?
To stlo7 (person who posted this). A license per se does not prevent "quacks" and "unqualified" doctors. There are many licensed doctors who are terrible. It is the education of students/doctors through tertiary studies that enables them to be qualified (however, improvements can be made). I would not go to a doctor if he/she did not have formal training in their field, regardless of whether they held a license or not.
AussieAustrianBlog 2 weeks ago
I understand the DR. is not well liked amongst her peers and her bedside manner stinks!
Also sounds like she has NO repsect for PA's or NP's if you read the article she wrote that linked me to this video...
She writes that medical care is not a right, but a privelige to only those who "deserve" it...can you believe that? WHO would want his woman to treat them in the ER? Does she want to see your financial statements 1st?
jlpc8188 1 year ago
the Euro has a higher money exchange so dos Japan, so rieksono read a book .And fore you money grabbers get out of the way move ******* get out the way get out the way *********
TheNads67 1 year ago 3
Canada has it (medacare) and have a higher money exchange than the U.S there rieksone
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MeAgainstMarx 2 years ago
CuriousGeorge53142 doesn't seem to be quite curious enough to find facts, he just demands them as an entitlement.
So here are some facts for him: If gov't intervenes and stimulates demand on something like a house by guaranteeing loans to first time buyers, that stimulates demand artificially. This in turn makes prices go up artificially.
Same goes for anything including healthcare. So if you "guarantee" care to the sick, this will lead to higher prices and rationing. It has to.
MeAgainstMarx 2 years ago 2
You say this woman is the next Sarah Palin?
You are talking about a government that has lied us into a war in Iraq, that has stolen about a trillion dollars to give it to corporate criminals and has put that debt on your head, a government that still has the Patriot Act as law, a government that has stolen EVERY PENNY from the Social Security TRUST Fund.
And you trust these fuckers, with you health care?
Business may be evil, but government is monopoly business that is evil.
fuzzywzhe 2 years ago 2
Freedom Works. Question is who do you trust Govt? Or the Free Market ..> I'll take the Free Market any day of the week. Again .. FREEDOM WORKS . Government is absolutely the common thread in all of USA's problems.
Hey Govt.. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY! NOW!!
vinnykster 2 years ago 2
@vinnykster you get out of the way you freek
TheNads67 1 year ago
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TheNads67 1 year ago
This woman is my hero.
Freemarketeer81 2 years ago 2
Wow, wierd. I was standing next to the guy holding that camera.
The group I was with overwhelmed this town hall. It was so large that they had to take it outside the building and to a pavilion out back.
"It is not out of the kindness of the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker that we obtain our necessities but out of their desire for profit. Greed, then, is the engine of wealth."
-Adam Smith
mkloppel 2 years ago 2
She buys a "talking point"? It has been suggested to her several times!!! How is that a talking point? They said she should consider just letting her mother die.
Elasaltaculos 2 years ago
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Of course this woman would oppose it. She's a doctor! She wants the money, she doesn't want to lose it! She is in pursuit of self-interest and does not care about people. Greedy ass doctors.
CuriousGeorge53142 2 years ago
At ~1:45 in the video 'this woman' crtiticizes the government for restricting entry into medical professions. Without such restrictions she would face more competition, and probably earn less. How many greedy and uncaring people do you know advocate that they should have to compete with more people to provide their services?
m7steel 2 years ago 2
its funny how their greed turns into your good health. Scumbag. "It is not out of the kindness of the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker that we obtain our necessities but out of their desire for profit. Greed, then, is the engine of wealth."
mkloppel 2 years ago
If you understood economics you would notice that she is actually not trying to defend her monopoly, but instead suggesting that the government should allow both more students into med schools and increase your ability to access non-doctor providers. The high cost of care is caused by shortages, and those would be addressed if the government didn't enforce monopolies in medicine. The problem with socialized care is also shortages, so how about they fix the Real problem? This lady is spot on.
ohokthis 2 years ago
Economics? Ok. The medical industry is the second largest in America, after the military industrial complex. People complain that this will cost too much, but wait, the private industry is even more! Plus, don't we have medicare? It works pretty good? Ironically, the older people that oppose this have medicare, or a form of public option. So yes, those are the numbers that I see. Hypocrites.
CuriousGeorge53142 2 years ago
Medicare rises prices. Now it could be extended , and most of the blame could be blamed on govt intervention(i.e mandated coverage). The private is not FREE, it is under influence from a plethora of govt regulations. Yes the medical industrial complex is like the military industrial complex. It has Government to blame for its very existence. I will agree that most of the "conservative" politicians are hypocrites. And the lay public is ignorant.
Blucius13 2 years ago
@Blucius13. Well, housing and rental apartments are not FREE either because they are also regulated by the GOV. Tell me one thing that is not regulated by the US gov in America? And your saying because it's regulated and entities have rules, that there is no free enterprise? Anyone can blame the government, but without facts, blame is not compelling.
CuriousGeorge53142 2 years ago
Tell me, how many countries in the world have public health care? Then, tell how me, how countries in the world have private health care only? You will notice that the REAL world is in the former, not latter. Done.
CuriousGeorge53142 2 years ago
Yes the world is largely statist.
digitallando 2 years ago
LOL. Although the UK has both public and private option, most people choose the public because they can not afford the private. Did you know that? And if the medical industry is the second largest in the US, why would it be in there interest to eliminate this entity when it brings lots of revenue? It will never be eliminated even with the public option! Hypocrites.
CuriousGeorge53142 2 years ago
The public option is not cheaper. They have to pay for it with a huge tax burden . Of course when they go to get the care that has been subsidized with their own money....
Blucius13 2 years ago
Name calling seems to be typical of the fallacious non-responders in this argument. Hypocrisy is not even implied by anything you've said, so what's the point of that? It's the lack of intelligent and dispassionate reasoning among the lay people in the debate that keep the legislators from raising their own level. Keep shouting things like 'Insurance!' at meaningless intervals, though. Great. And since when does private industry revenue have anything to do with gov't desire to eliminate it?
ohokthis 2 years ago
The "REAL" world does not have the strongest economy in the world. Of course the FAKE world is going down hill, but that is because of crappy GOVERNMENT policies. Thank you Alan Greenspan. Health care can be provided not efficiently but much more efficiently in unitary governments. The large Federal system overlooking 50 states, and overlooking almost 4 million square miles has long shown they have been incapable of handling the most basic of services let alone health for over 300 million people
Blucius13 2 years ago
@Blucius13: Well, how do you define strong economy? The European Union has a higher GDP Purchasing Parity than the US. The infant mortality rate in Japan is total: 2.79 deaths/1,000 live births; the US is total: 6.26 deaths/1,000 live births. Out of 224 countries, the US ranks 50th in life expectancy - Japan is 3, Australia 7 and France 9. These countries are not the the strongest economy but has higher life expectancy and has public option. (CIA WORLD FACTBOOK 2009)
CuriousGeorge53142 2 years ago
hahhaha
type in european debt crisis lets see europe continue its little escapade
why are you comparing the entire european union as its a country to united states
japan has a low birth rate buddy if you havent noticed but japanese dont really fuck as there soon going to be more old then young
but what about diet that is major component of life expectancy which you fail to mention in japan they eat very healthy diets(fish,rice,green tea ,etc) where as the usa is fast food mania
RIEKSONE 2 years ago
Once again, majority of the world has public health insurance whereas the US does not (CIA World Factobook, 2010). As far as you stating Japanese does not fuck, clearly you can't cite credible sources to justify your claim. Diet is pretty obvious, but diet alone is small slice of the pie (Crister, 2004).
CuriousGeorge53142 2 years ago
@CuriousGeorge53142 I love how somebody posts facts, and then gets -1ed lol.
Oh the wonders of teh intahnets
thehelloman0rs 1 year ago
If the rest of the world decided to jump off a bridge, would you jump, too? Done.
The issue is that those with public-only care have shortages; they have problems scheduling people for effectively emergency cancer operations etc. because they lack enough incentive for market participation. That doesn't have to be the case. In the US we have a monopoly-driven shortage that drives up cost. Fix the shortage by expanding capabilities, education and market participation. Then you'll be done.
ohokthis 2 years ago
Once again, rhetoric. I employ once again, that an argument is not effective without empirical evidence. You only provide an argument without numbers. Therefore, your argument is not credible. Done.
CuriousGeorge53142 2 years ago
..assertiveness pays off, stand up American [U.S.A.] citizens..!! ;)
iQuestionEverything 2 years ago
You can't control the market, but since it is manipulated we have recessions like the one we are in and it is all over the World. Why? Because the market is centrally manipulated! True free market is controlled only by supply & demand. The problem with private health care is that it is regulated by the government. The trouble has started when Nixon let himself to be corrupted by Insurance Lobbyist and this way he's people have enacted regulations that caused this mess! WE NEED TRUE FREE MARKET!
observer222 2 years ago 2
How is there competition between McDonald's, Burger King, and Wendy's? They all sell burgers. They all sell French Fries. They all have Coke. And they all have $.99 for individual items.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
grocery stores are competitors to fast food joints. its false to limit competition to a sub group like that.
michaelpshipley1 2 years ago
Actually, that's a perfect example of competition--in a competitive market with little differentiation between goods all participants eventually have to lower prices to meet the lowest-priced competitor. Or...we could just say...wow. Cause they teach that in Econ 101.
ohokthis 2 years ago
You never passed history or you would know that farmers were overcharged when they used the railroads. Before, they inefficiently used roads, but they had little choice as railroads could get their goods across the country much faster. Government regs didn't kill the railroads; cars and airplanes did.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
there were some efforts by the railroads to create cartels to artificially raise prices but all free market cartels eventually break due to members of the cartel who cheat, new competitors entering the market, or foreign competitors.
michaelpshipley1 2 years ago
Medicine is not a free market cartel, though--it is government enforced. It will not break down unless the government changes its approach. Why aren't the libertarians and free-market wonks getting behind major reforms of the monopoly to fix this? Is the GOP owned by the neo-cons or the AMA? Libertarians would have fixed this long ago.
ohokthis 2 years ago
This women is baloney. Let's eliminate medicare, then let's see people complain about the the public option.
CuriousGeorge53142 2 years ago
The GOP is owned by the neo-cons. AMA has its grasp on Congress. Libertarians-true ones- have long spoke of this, but it went over everyone's heads.
Blucius13 2 years ago
How was there competition in the days of Vanderbilt? There was no other way for farmers to transport their crops and the prices imposed by railroads were unfair. You have no understanding of history.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
To those who think no regs are better and free market is supreme, companies don't have to be truthful. And if they're big and powerful, they can often get away with giving cancer or Mad Cow to their consumers.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
Oh, right. Those big, bad powerful companies are ALWAYS giving Mad Cow to their consumers.
Sounds like you're in need of some acute "health care" yourself, my friend.
joiadbvjaw9384 2 years ago
Actually I do. I'm getting a birthmark removed and it's going to be pretty expensive. Also, I was put on a waiting list for an elective surgery here in America.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
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TobiasMuse 2 years ago
To be clear, no fan of a free market should defend 'no regs'--the government has a very simple and obvious role in a free market: to keep it free by acting to block theft, fraud and monopolies. Trick is, if the government did Nothing the monopolies would generally break up--but they can survive long term when the gov't helps, as it has taken to doing. Health insurance even has an exemption from anti-trust regs--WTF is that? Statism, Federalism, and collectivism: bi-partisan all the way.
ohokthis 2 years ago
lol at the adult child who tells her to shut up. What are you, ten?
EsotericThrone 2 years ago
GOVT only help themselves. CORRUPTION, EXPLOITATION,
GUY LIKE obama is worst than HUGO CHAVEZ, CASTRO E OTHERS.
AT LEAST THEY DON'T BASH THEIR OWN COUNTRY LIKE obama does.
SocialistSUCKS 2 years ago 2
this lady never asked a question, she just got on a soapbox,,,what was your question?
SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1 2 years ago
MOST IMPORTANT poll was the ELECTION !!!!
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE VOTED FOR THE PUBLIC OPTION.
.IT WAS THE REASON HE WON,,,AMERICA VOTED FOR THIS... ITS COMING LIKE IT OR NOT..
SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1 2 years ago
its a representative republic. we elect representatives and communicate with them to voice our opinions. just because the majority voted for Obama(or any representative) doesn't mean we give up all ties to our government and let them run rampant for 4 years, 6, 2 whatever. ALSO, just because one votes for Obama does not mean they want everything he stands for under the sun
cyclewhore 2 years ago
You can make any kind of delusional statement you like but you forget one very important FACT. Health care is delivered by a finite number of people. If this bill passes, you will immediately lose the services of physicians who refuse to work under government formulas of care. What's your next statist move? Forcing doctors to work at the point of a gun?
docmomer57 2 years ago
are you trying to say doctors will stop practicing? thats bunk .....
this bill dosent regulate doctors,,just insurance companys.
so doctors will still be private there will always be private companys to work for,,no one is proposing changing that,,,just giving people a choice they do not currently have,,,its an option,,just one choice in a sea of others,,,get a grip there is no TAKEOVER,,,
SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1 2 years ago
It is every bit a takeover. Government never helps, it only gurantees more waste, paperwork, useless regulation, and more government.
ImAGrasshopper 2 years ago
You don't like regulations and government? Fine. Move to Somalia where the free market is king and they have NOTHING.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
lol @ people like you who utterly embarrass liberalism. Look at you using the "love it or leave it" argument the idiot republicans shouted when we protested the Iraq war. You're a child. Grow up.
EsotericThrone 2 years ago
Free Market in Somalia? Are you a retarded?
Zulske 2 years ago
Companies print their own money. That's pretty free market.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
it's ok to tell your representatives how you feel, but when you tell them the talking points you get from fox news and corporate lobbyists, then I don't think you are truly exercising democracy, I know they will try and scare people into thinking we're trying to kill old people with this bill, or that we are GOING TO force abortions, or that it's a government take-over, or that it's socialism/the devil, but at it's core it is just giving a public option, let's debate the merits of that
SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1 2 years ago
You're either in favor of the bill or not. You either request your representatives to support the bill or not. I dont see how taking talking points from others cheats democracy? Very few people vote for something they dont like.
cyclewhore 2 years ago
she is full of crap,,,the VERY FIRST THING YOU DO IS ASK YOU HOW YOU ARE GOING TO PAY...THEN YOU FILL OUT FORMS THEN YOU WAIT AND WAIT UNLESS YOU HAVE INSURANCE AND THEN STILL YOU WAIT//
SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1 2 years ago
You are wrong. EVERYONE waits, no matter if you have insurance or NOT. Take a number and wait in line. We do need more doctors and more hospitals now. This bill would make the lines longer, and the care of a lesser quality.
ladylordess 2 years ago 2
only non emergency cases wait. if you have a fence post in your chest you dont wait. it is not economical to have dozens of health care workers twiddling their thumbs waiting for someone to come in the door. there will always be a wait. whether or not federal health care would increase wait. . . i'll leave it up to you to decide but ill say 1 thing; abuse.
cyclewhore 2 years ago
I took my Father in for Chest Pains. He has a heart condition, and numerous issues regarding his heart. They checked him in, put him on a gurney, and we waited in the hall of the over stuffed ER room for 16 hours. Granted, he was being monitored, but the 16 hours was not helpful. We have excellent insurance plans. Waiting in the hall on or waiting in the waiting room.......... same thing.
ladylordess 2 years ago
Ehem..she is an ER physician. If your life is in immediate danger in an ER, they do not ask you to fill out forms first. Many ERs just send you a bill, especially if you have been there before. She is speaking for the ER she works in not every ER.
JendellForce 2 years ago
you are very ignorant. no one is denied in the emergency room. its called access apparently many people have not heard of it. this is not meant to be offensive but i suggest you do a lot more research and real life application before you start calling out professionals.
cyclewhore 2 years ago
no one is denied emergency care, true ,,they will stabilize you,, thats it.. they wont treat your disease just make sure you wont die on the spot,,then they send you home,,unless Ayou can pay cash,B YOU HAVE INSURANCE,IF YOU DONT THEY DO NOTHING FOR YOU..ask me how i know this,,it happened to me ,,,so i think YOU are the ignorant one
SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1 2 years ago
they ask you as soon as you get there.. HOW WILL YOU BE PAYING FOR THIS?HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO AN ER? I HAVE
SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1 2 years ago
As I said the DOCTOR doesn't ask you how you are paying for the care. We focus on the problem without letting the ability to pay influence our recommendations. Of course, you will be billed for the care.
docmomer57 2 years ago
I've been to the emergency with no insurance, kept overnight, everything needed was done and I recieved all the proper care and follow ups. YOU are the ignorant one.
TrippingTheTube 2 years ago
yeah great for you ,,but when i went back for follow up they refused to even admit me,,i insisted to see the doctor(i saw him he turned and ran ,,then the ER director told me to go home or to see my reg doctor ,, i informed her that i was told by the doc to return for follow up...she said just go home there is nothing else i can do for you,,,,nice huh? that was 4 years ago ,,i still have same problem today,,i have to do my own surgery on myself every 4 months or so ,,they did no tests
SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1 2 years ago
I'm sorry about your situation and for calling you ignorant. We must have different procedures in different states. Or they don't consider your condition life threatening and expect you to take care of it yourself.
TrippingTheTube 2 years ago
we also elected obama BECAUSE WE WANTED HEALTHCARE FOR ALL!!!HE IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE ELECTED HIM TO DO,,, THINK ABOUT IT HE RAN ON THIS HEALTHCARE FOR ALL PLATFORM,,AMERICA VOTED HIM IN THE LARGEST MANDATE IN 30 YEARS,,AMERICA WANTS THIS ,,,WE VOTED FOR IT,,THOSE THAT OPPOSE IT REPRESENT A FRINGE MINORITY VIEW
SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1 2 years ago
It doesn't matter what people want him to do. It matters what the Constitution authorizes the federal government to do. And you won't find providing health care anywhere in the Constitution. The 10th Amendment clearly states that those powers not given to the government by the Constitution are retained by the States. That is not a power given. Read it for yourself.
Punchey 2 years ago 2
Many votes for Obama were a statement of anti-Bush, as well as the Dems in senate and the house. People are waking up and asking "oh no, what have we done"?!! In 2010 people are going to reverse their votes. It works both ways!!!!
ladylordess 2 years ago
she makes no sense
SAYESTOHEALTHCARE1 2 years ago
I remember only two decades back where I saw the Doctor first and then they did paper work which was more any follow-ups.
alonzohosford 2 years ago
I'd have punched that guy who said "shutup lady and ask a question"
flatl1n3 2 years ago
I would have too. lol
cbiggs567 2 years ago
Thanks for telling it like it is.The one thing you can't deny is the gov't is the cause of most problems in this country.They are not the solution.
loginherepls 2 years ago
well I loved the video but unfortunately its not gonna help the gov has us by the balls
Chavez3d 2 years ago
We need MORE medical freedom, not less.
Every rule and restriction by the government limits our choices as free individuals and traps us in a system.
caraclaudel 2 years ago 3
Think the private sector is more efficient? Airbus has been building the A380 for twenty years and they've only delivered 18 so far.
And profit does not benefit the greater good. It only benefits those able to make it and not everyone is able to do that.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
There you go again, spouting nonsense.
Without the accumulation of capital, progress is impossible. Without profit, there could be no capital development or creation. Entrepreneurs who correctly anticipate the consumer's desires are rewarded with profits, while those who incorrectly anticipate consumer choices fail, and lose their capital investments. You deny that the raising of the standard of living in the U.S. to far above what it has ever been worldwide is a good thing?
Nautilus3333 2 years ago 2
Wow, so opposing government healthcare makes you the next Sarah Palin? I guess you know what a strawman is? The lady has hit it on the nail, admit it.
abskebabs 2 years ago
That lady is right. Keep government out of our fucking lives, and hang them if they don't leave us alone.
2242bzo 2 years ago 4
Time is more important than money. With public roads, you don't need to pay tolls at every intersection. Our roads are very efficient and privatizing them would probably derail efficiency.
Government is about allocating resources for the greater good, i.e. the general population. Privatization is about allocating resources for a select group of individuals. And that select group is not always in the best interest of other people.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
Government is about allocating resources? OH MY GOD, how wrong you are. Government is empowered in the United States only to DEFEND people's private property. Consumers are king in the free market, they are the peons of the state under socialism. Why do you seek to destroy the individuals freedom to choose what to do with their resources?
What about the Indiana Toll Road, that's run pretty damned efficiently... much better than it used to be by the State of Indiana.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago 6
Loyola is just another college.
With the immediate area that I travel, the roads are fine. I don't see how paying to go on the different streets would be an improvement.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
People fall down no matter if you go to the ice rink on the college campus or to the simple facility on the other end of town. ACCIDENT HAPPEN.
Now, if two million people a year died from traffic accidents, THEN we would have a serious problem.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
So two million people are of concern, but 38k people isn't enough blood to capture your attention? Sick, but unsurprising coming from someone from a family who fought for the Nazis.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
I actually tried watching it. The guy was more boring than Ben Stein.
You are talking about FORCING a choice on the American people. I have no idea where you live, but where I live the roads are well maintained. They repave them once a year. The government has good rules for the road and good management. Rules like "always signal when making a turn, red means stop, green means go". The government sets the rules and it's up to the people to follow them.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
"The government sets the rules and it's up to the people to follow them."
Tis not yours to reason why, tis but yours to do and die---EH?
This type of totalitarian thought is completely antithetical to the foundational American mores of individual liberty. Government exists to serve the people, not the people to serve the government. How'd your grandfather like obeying the government's orders in WWII Nazi Germany? Loved it?... ok then.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago 2
Farmers depend entirely on their crops. If there is a drought or too much rain, they will not be able to sell their crops. And then what are they going to do? And thanks to the FDA, we know EXACTLY what is in our food instead of just trusting the Soylent Corporation.
The roads already have competition. They compete with trains and airlines. And they cost more than driving.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
How does a road get you killed? It's just a paved pathway that you drive on. Accidents are cause by human error like drinking or texting. It's not like the government leaves bridges incomplete, though (let me be simple) ACCIDENTS HAPPEN.
Those designs and enforcements would probably lead to more congestion and the rich ripping people off again.
I suppose next you're going to say we should reinstitute slavery.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
No truer words were ever spoken. Let the Free market reign.
Kwicherbichen 2 years ago 2
THAT is the kind of common sense thinking that government will almost assuredly ignore and continue down this path toward self-destruction of our health-care system. Government interference near collapses it, then the same idiots that devised the "reform" that caused the problem, suggest that somehow, more government mandates and red tape will be the solution. Solution: GET OUT OF OUR WAY and STOP IMPEDING OUR LIBERTY! And above all else, stop shackling our children with needless debt!
LibertarianinMA 2 years ago
How exactly would our roads be safer if they were privatized?
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
You tell 'em, Doc!
-jcr
NSResponder 2 years ago
And because you must use the railroad, they could charge whatever they wanted. That's what happened when the railroads had a monopoly without government intervention.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
Beautiful!
That woman is amazing..
Thank you for the post
StopTheRobberydotcom 2 years ago 3
All Stlo7 did was report on an Eric Massa rally. Stlo7 DOES NOT agree with this doctor at all.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
I never said anything about Stlo7 agreeing with this doctor or not, I simply said thank you to Stlo7 for posting this video.
Her message is healthcare freedom for all and she's doing it out of love, and so there's really nothing to disagree with.
StopTheRobberydotcom 2 years ago
The Democrats will push Amnesty for illegals which will break an already overburdened system.
dangolingo 2 years ago 2
People are pissed off
fergus247 2 years ago
Great commentary from this actual doctor.
Town halls in my state are consistently angrily against socialist health care. The collectivist pinheads are in the minority at all of them, even when they're held in senior centers on weekday mornings. And the pols here are almost all Democrats! People DO NOT WANT the gummint trying to run the health care industry (nor should they).
11Jamie11 2 years ago 2
No one except farmers. The farmers depended on the railroads to ship their goods. There was no way else to do it and so the robber barons ripped them off.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
I disagree with your assumption that no one will work in America if we have HCR that offers affordable health care to everyone. Many people who have jobs cannot afford quality health care under our present system. Surely, you are not suggesting our system does not need to be reformed. You are far too intelligent to believe that. btw, I am not a communist. Your comments are polluted with insults, not reasons. Affordable health care does not mean free.
EarthMuffinHugs 2 years ago
You go, girl!
ImThinkin11 2 years ago
You are correct Leonidas06, it's not a question about "caring about people" as much as it's impossible to do.
All the people arguing for "affordable care for everyone" and "universal health care" never seem to be able to explain how exactly something like that would be paid for. Nothing is free, it all comes at a cost to SOMEBODY.
Wresting it away from the people/productive sectors of the economy through taxes, or inflation, is STEALING.
ZeLVaR 2 years ago 2
A doctor telling the truth! The truth that the villain of medical care crisis is: the **government.**
ImThinkin11 2 years ago
I guess you care more about money than people. If that's the case we are never going to agree and I won't waste any time talking to you.
EarthMuffinHugs 2 years ago
Why should Austrian economics be taught in a public school? Unless you're going to be a businessman in Austria, the average student doesn't need that info. That's for business school, something rich people send their kids to.
I learned a lot about biology from dissecting a fetal pig. I don't even watch movies the same way because of my film class; I see all the angles and types of shots.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
NO ONE was prepared for 9/11. Bush didn't even read the report that said Osama was going to attack. The FAA can't ground planes on its own. Only the President can give the order.
Private roads? Are you deliberately being an idiot? That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. The government isn't responsible to make sure you don't talk on your cell phone or go drinking. The car companies make sure their cars are safe. The roads have nothing to do with it.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
Guess what. Don't like public schools? You can put your kids in private school. Just make sure you have the cash.
You probably won't believe me, but my school was mentioned in Newsweek's Top 100 Schools in the country for several years.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
And drinking, texting, talking has nothing to do with 40,000 people a year? The government only paves the roads. They don't drive us anywhere.
What about the FAA?
Planes fly. Planes are the safest way to travel. You fail.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
Planes crash but that doesn't mean air travel isn't the safest way to go.
Why are aerial units not used for putting out homes? Because it is impractical as they dump water over a wide area.
I respond better to films and documentaries.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
We HAVE had innovations in fire prevention. Everyone is protected. The firefighters have equipment that allows them to stay for nearly an hour in the blaze, long enough to find anyone I think. And aerial units are for putting out forest fires. They are a broad sword covering a wide area. Firefighters are a scalpel for an individual building.
You can learn from from a film which has colors and flair and action than from a dry book filled with statistics. Sorry you missed the point of Das Boot.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
I suppose you think U-571 was a true story.
Das Boot is about the difficulties the Germans faced in a U-boat, not about the action. You want action watch the old German propaganda films. Imagine being in a space that measures 150ft by 10ft by 10ft with 50 people for two months at a time. You actually feel their sweat and filth as they sit bored for days waiting for action. You feel their pain, their hardships.
It's more like three hours and it's worth every second.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
Where I live, the ER does not have to treat everyone and they do turn people away. It may be true that most hospitals don't deny care, but some of them do and that needs to be stopped. Everyone deserves access to affordable health care.
EarthMuffinHugs 2 years ago
Sorry-but you're living on cloud nine. This is
reality, where common sense works. Go and dream somewhere else. sheesh.
ImThinkin11 2 years ago
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I hope some day you'll join us and the world will be as one. ~~John Lennon
EarthMuffinHugs 2 years ago
"On the goo-oo-ood ship Lollypop It's a swee-ee-eet trip to a candy shop Where bon-bons play On the sunny beach of Peppermint Bay." ~~Shirley Temple
bookhound63 2 years ago
And how would people afford that?
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
I actually got a score of 29 on the ACT.
Then watching Das Boot or Stalingrad isn't a good idea to learn about WWII?
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
Firemen are highly trained people who go through a few years of education before they can even begin to apply.
But what if your house is burning and two different fire fighter companies arrive. What if they begin fighting to see who gets paid? Is that what you want?
Besides, the military consists of volunteers.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
We actually watched it in 11th grade history when learning about the mid 1800s. It was praised for its historical accuracy. I also cite Das Boot as a source since it's the most realistic U-boat film ever made.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
Really? Because back in the late 19th Century, there was no government run railroads and they screwed over the farmers. Every read about the robber barons like Cornelius Vanderbilt and Leland Stanford?
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
Vanderbilt? The guy cut costs for consumers, beat a government subsidized monopoly, than raised the standard of living for the American people. He's a hero.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
Ever watch Gangs of New York? There's one scene where Leo DiCaprio is seeing a burning house. 12 different fire trucks arrive on the scene. However, all those firemen fight each other for the right to put out this fire rather than save the people inside.
How do you propose we privatize the fire and police departments? You're only dreaming.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
The private sector doesn't lead to monopolies? Did you drop out of high school for 11th Grade? Monopolies were ruining this country during the 1900s. The railroads screwed the farmers. Carnegie, Rockefeller, and all those guys had no competition and they screwed their employees.
And if the customers aren't satisfied with the private sector, where will they go? The public sector.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
"The ten most dangerous words in the English language are,
Hi, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
PRESIDENT Ronald Reagan - 7/28/1988
jistenna 2 years ago
Please - did Reagan actually cut government?
stlo7 2 years ago
Please - do you actually think that the president alone would have the power to reduce the burden of Government?
Sure there are areas he can affect, and can push for such a change but in terms of actual ability to do something like that, it's not within the scope of his power.
But regardless of what he did/didn't do as president, that doesn't make some of his quotes any less true.
ZeLVaR 2 years ago
Can anyone name a single thing that government bureaucrats do well?
Or, if you prefer easy questions, can anyone name 10 things that gov. bureaucrats routinely destroy?
healthhavencom 2 years ago
Can't think of anything... at all.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
There are only two ways scarce commodities may be allocated... either the consumer determines where commodities go by bidding for them on the open market, or some central planner must decide who should receive those commodities... If not the individual, which group of central planners? JustPhilNY's Or mine perhaps?
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
Still waiting for proof that Upton Sinclair never set foot in a meat-packing plant.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
I'm not going to give you legal cites, sorry pal.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
Reign may refer to a monarch, but it can sometimes be used for any supreme leader.
You can't give me any legal cites because there aren't any saying Sinclair never went to a meat-packing plant. He did and it was a gripping book that made Teddy Roosevelt puke.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
Teddy Roosevelt was a blowhard.
Bismarck was a "supreme leader" now? Like your grandparent's beloved Führer? He was a Chancellor, not a king, sorry.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
He was a chancellor, appointed and not voted in, like a king.
My grandfather was an apolitical German butcher who was drafted like most of the 13 million servicemen. He didn't care for Hitler and the Nazis and he never knew about the scope of the Holocaust at any time during the war.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
You're right about one thing, he was a German Butcher. Just to think, had he been killed by my American capitalist liberating grandfather, I would have been spared explaining a few thousand years of history to a fool.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
By butcher, I mean that meat was his trade. He cut and sold meat to people. And in the army he was a chef. A simple chef.
If my grandfather died, my grandmother would have married someone else who was similar.
In fact, there were few Nazis in the Wehrmacht. Sure, people agreed with them but there were few registered Nazis as you had to resign from the party to join the Wehrmacht.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
Too bad Upton Sinclair wasn't there to regulate him out of business!
I'm well aware of the political composition of the members of the Wehrmacht, but that does not reduce their moral guilt for their actions.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
Without Sinclair, there would still be rats in our sausages.
Most soldiers in the Wehrmacht were no different from the Red Army or the US Army: professional soldiers fighting a war. Every side did awful things. Every soldier goes home with moral guilt, even the Americans. They killed boys no older than them.
My grandfather had no influence on the war other than providing hot meals to German troops. There was nothing he could do.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
WOAH, you're going to try to lump the American military in with those two totalitarian states' armed forces? The moral guilt I am talking about is not the killing of an opposing soldier in an opposing trench, I am talking about the reprisals, rapes, and war crimes the German military engaged in. Yeah, I understand, you grandfather was a slave to the state. I don't see why you wish to advocate such slavery to another state by another people today. You of all people should oppose big government.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
Then you of all people should support Nazism since they had pretty small government: only one guy doing everything.
The Soviets raped everyone as well. The US did its share of war crimes, like nuking Hiroshima. It's still considered a war crime.
I want a public option for health care. I want a strong military. I want my roads paved. I want a lunar colony.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
They had small government? WHAT? WHAT?
Small government is not a dwarf holding absolute power-it's about the SCOPE of government intrusion into the lives of the people.
Ok, so because the Soviets raped 2 million women in the taking of Berlin the Germans are innocent? Because Truman was a war criminal Hitler gets a pass?
Hitler wanted universal health care, a strong military, and hell, he even paved Germany's roads. Too bad Germany didn't have the resources to treat mentally handicapped..
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
Germany ALREADY HAD universal health care. And you know who did it? BISMARCK!!!
The government needs to run the military, schools, health care, the roads. Anything that would be too expensive or unfair for a private company to run.
Oh they did have the resources. They just swept mentally handicapped people under the rug while people like you were at the front lines in Russia under the SS flag.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
I know who brought it to Germany, thank you.
Why does the United States have the best health care available in the world if it is necessary for the government to run health care? Not even Obama supports that moon-bat position buddy. The government only exists to defend the people's life, liberty and property. That's it. We don't bow to the state here in the United States the way your Nazi family did.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
Sorry, but my family never consisted of registered Nazis.
Last time I checked the Declaration of Independence it said "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". See? The government should defend the people's LIVES and today it's difficult for the people when it costs thousands of dollars for a hernia surgery.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
The DofI is not a legally binding document. The Constitution is the "Supreme law of the Land."
How is the government "protecting" the people's lives when it is coercing them, when it is forcing them to receive sub-par care? Instead of trying to scare people into socialism during a recession, Obama should try to normalize this country, and bring it back to its normal, capitalistic prosperity.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
Oh, so only the "registered Nazis" are responsible now? Ok... I see how it is. Everyone's guilty except Gramps...
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
Yep. My grandfather was not responsible for the war in anyway. Just an Otto Normalverbraucher sent to cook for the troops.
My grandfather was awesome. He always made time for me. Bought me pretzels and we rode the trains all day.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
How cute, pity you didn't learn anything about the dangers of all intrusive government from his life's story.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
If the consumer doesn't decide, the government decides. Those are the options. Why do you have faith in government? What have they ever done efficiently? What have they ever done "compassionately"? The government is a fearful servant, and a dreadful master---but that's what you Hitler Youth like.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
HAHAHA! Efficiently? They won WWII efficiently? That's a laugh of epic proportions. War is an inefficient waste of resources, through and through-you build tanks, ship them around the world with healthy workers dressed in camo, and blow them both up... yeah, efficiency there!
Gone to the moon? Efficient? Like driving from Phoenix to Tuscon to visit the grocery store.
Pave the roads? Are you smoking crack? Those lazy guys who stand leaning on shovels?
Run the post office? The bankrupt one?
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
Sounds like someone lives in a town which happens to have potholes and a single postman.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
That would be Phoenix! Smart cookie you are!
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
Print money efficiently?
Are you even aware that the FED is a private institution? FAIL.
Time Zones? Come on.
Electricity? Uhm...no. Private companies provide electricity, and they do it while beating government subsidized providers...sorry.
Libraries? Like the Carnegie Library system all around the country? Public libraries set up and funded by a private entrepreneur?
Schools? Like the public schools which use more resources and create an inferior student product than private schools?
Nautilus3333 2 years ago
I'm getting a laugh out of this.
Money is printed by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, a GOVERNMENT agency which is part of the US Treasury.
You spelled Phoenix right the first time.
Carnegie may have built a lot of libraries, but he only built about 1600 libraries in the US alone. There are a LOT more libraries out there.
JustPhilNY 2 years ago
I'm getting an even better laugh, this is hilarious, you must be a product of a public school.
Dollar bills are printed by the Federal Reserve Bank. Sorry buddy.
In any event, the gov't activities you point to are not examples of efficiency... ALL are subsidized by the TAXPAYER.
Nautilus3333 2 years ago