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it shows how roman church tried to destroy the original eastern orthodox church via genocide, pogrom, forced conversions, uniatism and all otherss..that is why i will leave Rome! no turning back!
The Nazi swore an oath to Hitler and Germany, not to the Catholic Church. Hitler wanted to remove Jews from Europe, and that is why he was supported by the Catholic Church. Hitler also wanted to rule the planet, and that is where his conflict with the church started. Germany was a very poor and defeated country after WW1, so where did Hitler get the money to build a huge military force?
the Nazi symbol is a distorted cross - the nazi philosophy is the opposite of everything the Church of Christ stands for- love your neighbour for starters-nazi germany condemmed 2m Catholic Poles to the gas chambers and killed and exiled the clergy and were as hell bent on wiping out catholicism as they were against others who they perceived as 'undesirable'
@oconns55 That's true: they even sacrificed their own kind! Mind you, Catholic Poles murdered around 7000 Jews who returned to their Polish homes AFTER the Holocaust. To say the Nazis were bent on wiping out Catholicism is bunkum. Hitler called Goebels his own Ignatius Loyola and based the Gestapo on the Jesuits. Franco, on hearing of Hitler's death, said he was a great son of the Catholic Church. Love your neighbour by burning heretics at the stake! And the Vatican banks haven't gone bust!
f there is doubt about that roman catholicism created fascism and nazism, think about the ground idea of roman catholic church: The only one true Organisation(RCC) and the supreme unfailing Ruler(roman Pope) want to controll the whole world, obey or die.
The Nazis just did continued what the RCC was doing the past 1500 years. Inquisitation, Progroms and Genocides were done by the roman cath.Church long time before there were Nazis.
And the roman catholic Ustasha in Croatia were total cruely.
Illuminati who sold their souls for Lucifer, have an obligation to teach the world the wrong names of the Trinity so they can deceive as many as possible upon judgment. When Christ asks "Who do you say that I am?" make sure and tell others to answer, :"You are God." If you give the Illuminati answer, "You are the son of a talking fire (the Lord)," you will quickly find out what Freemasonry has done to you and you will have an eternity to ponder it.
Jesus’ Church is made up of imperfect humans. For some seemingly crazy reason He set it up that way. If the Media were around on the original Good Friday, the headline would have read “Jesus’ Apostles Abandon Him in Hour of Need; Deny Him Repeatedly.” It was a huge scandal. But it wasn’t the end of the story. Throughout history the Church has been tested and scandalized over and over, both from the outside and inside. Yet, it is still here.
contd 1 And guess what? There will be more scandal in the future. And we will grapple with it, through thick and thin, back and forth, as we continue on this mysterious journey toward “something – as yet – unknowable.” The only step forward through this whole mess is a step deeper into what it means to be the Church – not a step out of it.
You can look for a church with perfect leaders if you’d like. But you can be sure that, if you ever do find it, it will not be Jesus’ Church. For He chose to build a Church upon the faith of sinners. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it (Mat 16:18).
For anyone watching this read, The Case Of The Pope by Geoffrey Robertson. You will find names, court cases, dates, and well researched information that clearly shows the lies secrets, payoffs and cover ups by the senior members if the Catholic Church regarding pedophilia. How any human being would want to be party to an organization that has this kind of standard of ethics would need to posses a heart of stone. How can one not feel the loveless energy within its teachings.
In 1208, after they were accused of murdering a papal legate, Pope Innocent III declared the Albigensian Crusade against the Cathars, Up to a million people were killed in a conflict that combined both religious and political struggles. To root out those with Cathar sympathies, Gregory IX instituted the Papal Inquisition in 1231. Catholic doctrine maintains that the Church is infallible when it dogmatically teaches a doctrine of faith or morals
The Vatican, according to this Third Secret of Fatima will be destroyed on August 17, 2011. The Dogma, the Trinity, has been replaced with the Masonic Trinity. The documents that prove the change from Our Lady, Our Lord and God Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost (the real Father) into the Lord Father/coming Lord Jesus/Holy Spirit are on FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m The three keys have now been changed by the Chair of Peter and that means the Catholic Church only exists underground-Goodluck
Be silent let what victims speak? These are so called representatives of victims not the victims themselves. The fact remains the Catholic Church has a vile history. It baffles me how any decent human being would want to be a part of this organization .
@shimwah Your bigotry amazes me. The victims were the jews as a nation more so than as individuals. Your ignorance has no boundary. Listen to yourself. You keep using the words "fact" but you have not produced one shred of evidence. The reason I am a part of this organistation because I dont believe in conspiracy theories, and do a lot or reading and fact finding before I attempt going public to make a fool of myself.
@mjr2168 The reason you belong to the Catholic Church is because you have hardened your heart and make excuses and sanctuary for your friends who want to put their penis in young children.
I don't need to make a fool of myself your Church has done a great job of that all by itself, on a grand scale, many times.
There is plenty of evidence. I have also done my research. Keep reading.
@shimwah With a mind like that, it was only a matter of time for you to prove your incapability of sustaining and maintaining a decent conversation only to degenerate into name calling. It is only people of your genre that do make comments like that. It is not your fault, but of society that has abandoned Liberal Arts and left a generation who is devoid of any skills of communication.
LOL Pot calling the kettle black First you claim I have not furnished you with proof of the involvement of the Catholic Church's crimes which I have. You then accuse me of name calling and degenerate remarks for which YOU were first to set the precedent in your early posts. Then claim the higher moral ground throwing insults at the same time
I apologize for my intolerance of this organization. But you should know I have a close friend that was violated by a Catholic priest who was moved from this area after his exploits became evident. He has been moved 3 times and still remains active within the church in his new location. Who moves him around? Who keeps him in his robes? Why?
Read the book. 'The Case Of The Pope' by Geoffery Robertson QC. You will find some of the factual detailed representation that you seek.
@shimwah I sympathise with you and your friend and I wish bad men like those come to justice. But I at one time was like you and threw Peter out along with Judas. But when people stigmatise the entire organisation because of a few, its like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I have read Robertsons book. The problem is that he writes as a prosecutor (not persecutor) and there is no defence. And to his dicredit he has some very shaky allegations which dismisses his credibility.
@mjr2168 This Father T is actually a very charming, generous man that I found quite likable. He has done a huge amount of charity work in the community and made allot of money for the church. His unsavory exploits with children are spoken of in whispers and hush conversation. Are you saying the Church has no idea of the peoples lives he has messed with. If so why was he moved. Why is he still in the church and given the opportunity to re-offend. And how do you explain the many others?
@shimwah If you know that something is going on and you are silent, and not doing anything about it you are equally condemned by complicity. By the act of commission you have sinned and are equally condemned. The church may not be aware as it often seen that parent are the last to know about the wrong of their children. And the common cry is how did you not know when it is happening under your nose. Priest are often rotated and it may not be because of their demonic actions.
@shimwah NOt much of a definition to ride with. But let me see if I can clarify. Do you mean the Church with a history of 2000 years, billions of people saints and sinner, dead and alive, the church which gave the west its legal system, the definition of the word charity, the bible, metallurgy, the birth of universities, the liberal arts, advances in astronomy, art, architecture, literary geniuses, the scholastics, agriculture, irrigation, archaelogy. The church mentioned in 1Timothy 3:15
@shimwah Try it with Islam and you will fail miserably. These are not positives of the lame type. These are life changing positives. How about you trying to put out some negatives, objective ones not emotional and subjective.
@shimwah Is it a case where because of a few rotten trees you want to cut down the whole forest. Or could it be that you are using this scandal is a scaffold on which you are tyring to hang you justification for not practising your faith.
@mjr2168 You did not answer my question. Are saying the Church was unaware, doesn't have any idea or has never manipulated these events to avoid scandal.
@mjr2168 I have heard this argument before. Jesus forgave Judas.. There are other organizations to practice ones faith that create a loving atmosphere. Ones that do not hide in the shadows with lies and secrets. Ones that equally forgive and hold to account when one is not living from their heart.
I am sorry mijr there are good people within the Catholic Church, I have no doubts about this. I do however feel no love from the Church as a whole. Just pure evil.
@shimwah Love has to be based on knowing the thing you love first. As I mentioned earlier, I doubt if you have ever read a catholic book in your life, maybe except the Bible. Anyway I will leave you with one of the greatest comeback lines of history, that will sum up my case. Read on in the continuation by click into the page.
contd 1 One of the greatest comeback lines in history was uttered two hundred years ago. As his armies were swallowing up the countries of Europe, French emperor Napoleon is reported to have said to Church officials, "Je détruirai votre église" ("I will destroy your Church")." When informed of the emperor's words, Ercole Cardinal Consalvi, one of the great statesmen of the papal court, replied,
contd 2 "He will never succeed. We have not managed to do it ourselves!" If bad popes, immoral priests, and countless sinners in the Church hadn't succeeded in destroying the Church from within, Cardinal Consalvi was saying, how did Napoleon think he was going to do it from without?
@mjr2168 That is a good question. I would say because the forces of evil give it power. A power that is thankfully in it's final days.
You I expect would say, because our almighty father gives its blessing and protection to an organization that commits itself to the work of Christ on earth.
@shimwah The answer to you statement lies in 1Timthy 3:15. Read it and you decide whether its power comes from evil or from divine mandate. I am assuming that you are christian or have a christian upbringing. Evil does not try to distroy evil and Napoleon was not a saint. It is not I who says but let the bible speak. Be brave and give me you speel on I Tim 3:15.
@mjr2168 Firstly evil turns on itself and propagates evil. Evil does indeed attack good. It also attacks itself by its very nature of disharmony and separation.
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
If one is to be with God long enough, one will know how to behave. 'The church of the living God' That which resides in us all equally.
@shimwah Thats right evil turns on itself, but doesnt go out to destroy evil. Good try with the verse, but way way out of context. Read it again close without prejudice and let the spirit guide you.
"Only the Catholic Church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught on liberty. Up till then I had not been interested in the Church, but today I feel a great admiration for the Church, which alone has had the courage to struggle for spiritual truth and moral liberty." Albert Einstein
@shimwah Thank you, It is obvious that I have removed prejudice against the CC by shedding light on this lie and bigots like you must look for other reason to feed their bigotry. Well for now I will let to wollow in your ignorance.
Child abuse is a crime anywhere in the civilised world. I dont condone it and I hope those priest rot in hell, along with the other 98 % which make up this sick group of people. But from you statement it looks like you want to excuse the 98% and focus on 1.2.
@mjr2168 The fact is that tens of thousands of children throughout the world have been sexually abused by priests who have been secretly dealt with by an ecclesiastical law that provides no real punishment and gives them the opportunity to re offend. There is no doubt that the scale of the sex abuse scandal came about because of the directives of the Vatican. Specifically from the Congregation for the doctrine of faith. Accountability? 0 . You want bigotry and ignorance... look in the mirror.
@shimwah Could you make a valid reference to the so called ecclesiastical laws that has encourage these deviates. I guess not. If there is no doubt, put your money where you mouth is and make reference to these laws. Then we can see who is the bigot.
@mjr2168 The CDF required all sex abuse complaints processed in utter secrecy and withheld from local police and courts under a cannon law that was obsolete ineffective and non- punitive. The Holy See claims the right to operate the system as one of its statehood privileges.
@mjr2168 Cont.. The Pope who as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, was the Prefect (head) of the CDF from 1981 to 2005 and it was on his watch that a vast amount of the sex abuse took place. How much he knew of its extent, and how offenders were moved around parishes and trafficked to other countries and hidden from local criminal justice will not be clear until the CDF is required to open its files. The valid reference you seek is hidden in the organization you champion. Even you don't get to see it.
@shimwah The very word "hidden" gives you away, If these so called files are hidden away in the CDF how do you know that is the big question. Your comment here all tantamount to emotions and not factual. After the second world war' gossip mongers spoke about hidden files involving the CC as co conspirators, but when those archieves were opened to the public and was proved other wise, half a century later you still have people believing in their own infallibility and lies.
Evil exist in all forms and in all organisations, the CC Church is not exempt. It entered with judas Iscariot and many Judas will follow. There is evil in the basic unit of society too " the family" The highest child abuses cases involve family members I dont see you condeming the family unit. If you did you would be called a mad cap. So the next time you make a comment try and be rational.
I bet you are the type that has never read a single catholic book in your life.
@mjr2168 You are missing the whole point here. 1. Why are the files closed?, What gives them the impunity to do this in the first place? 2. Even without the details in the files there is clear evidence from the victims and the way the Vatican moved these pedophiles around to avoid scandal. These are crimes against humanity. Not just some petty theft.
Your organization is clearly operating above the law. Always has. Any idiot can see that. You are welcome to it.
@shimwah If I am missing the point (which i am not) you are steering away from your previous comments. It is the factual representation, that you previously commented upon, that is of concern to me.
As I have mentioned, bad things did happen, but when you relegate these bad things to organised crime with no factual proof then it all becomes a bit wishy washy.
Millions do not believe the moon landing and they have very convincing theories. But factual evidence proves otherwise.
"More than anyone else, we have had the opportunity to appreciate the great kindness, filled with compassion and magnanimity, that the Pope displayed during the terrible years of persecution and terror" (Elio Toaff, Chief Rabbi of Rome, following Rabbi Zolli’s conversion).
"With special gratitude we remember all he (Pius X11) has done for the persecuted Jews during one of the darkest periods in their entire history” (Nahum Goldmann, president of the World Jewish Congress).
"We share the grief of the world over the death of His Holiness Pius XII. . . . During the ten years of Nazi terror, when our people passed through the horrors of martyrdom, the Pope raised his voice to condemn the persecutors and to commiserate with their victims" (Golda Meir, Israeli representative to the U.N. and future prime minister of Israel).
In Three Popes and the Jews Lapide estimated the total number of Jews that had been spared as a result of Pius XII’s throwing the Church’s weight into the clandestine struggle to save them. After totaling the numbers of Jews saved in different areas and deducting the numbers saved by other causes, such as the praiseworthy efforts of some European Protestants, "The final number of Jewish lives in whose rescue the Catholic Church
contd a had been the instrument is thus at least 700,000 souls, but in all probability it is much closer to . . . 860,000."[21] This is a total larger than all other Jewish relief organizations in Europe, combined, were able to save. Lapide calculated that Pius XII and the Church he headed constituted the most successful Jewish aid organization in all of Europe during the war, dwarfing the Red Cross and all other aid societies.
The Pope’s efforts did not go unrecognized by Jewish authorities, even during the War. The Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, Isaac Herzog, sent the Pope a personal message of thanks on February 28, 1944, in which he said: "The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion which form the very foundations of true civilization, are doing for us unfortunate brothers
contd 1 and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history, which is living proof of divine Providence in this world.
Other Jewish leaders chimed in also. Rabbi Safran of Bucharest, Romania, sent a note of thanks to the papal nuncio on April 7, 1944: "It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the warmth and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the supreme pontiff, who offered a large sum to relieve the sufferings of deported jews.
The Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, also made a statement of thanks: "What the Vatican did will be indelibly and eternally engraved in our hearts. . . . Priests and even high prelates did things that will forever be an honor to Catholicism."
The Secular New Order is in with Vatican II. By worshipping the Masonic Trinity, they are no longer Catholic. In fact, there is no official Catholic Church anymore- they are Judeo-Masonic. This is why it's an Apocalypse- Lucifer has won. The Authentic Third Secret of Fatima was released in April, we are in the final 70 weeks of Daniel. FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m has all the documents that prove the Lord is not the Catholic god, Our Lady is in the Trinity, the Holy Ghost is the Father. JC is God.
@ nasticanast - You have no faith in men but only faith in Gods word? Why are even here trolling and trying to convert and lead astray the Lords flock, for truly you are not exempt from humanity? What kind of man are you? Your paradigm at best is amusing. I really wish you could understand that some of your comments here end up being double negatives.
You said, "but clearly there are Nazis and catholics laughing together and eating together the Christmas pictures are the ones that really show this"
I responded, "Are you claiming you call tell people's religion by looking at them, or is this just your fantasy?" [my point was everyone was in military uniforms or a father Xmas costume in those pictures see 2:502:523:00]
*Its HERESY to equate God to creation as H2o *Trinity is man-made/has NO basis in Scripture *God is ONE [Exod20:3, Mrk12:29, Quran2:163] *God is NOT man/son of [Num23:19] and NEVER seen [Exod33:20] *Christ is created by a Word of God just as Adam or Universe "Let there BE..." [Gen ch1,2] *God does NOT need blood sacrifice [Hos6:6] *you are NOT born with original sin [Ezek18:20] *Salvation is: Surrender to God [ISLAM] and His MERCY.
Is any willing to surrender to GOD [Muslim] now and be saved?
This expose was fantastic. We should keep these things... Devarim 13:3-5 second, Matthew 7:21-23 ,the words of Rav Sha'ul in 2 Cor. 11:3-4 & Rev 22:13-15. Yeshua kept Torah and those who truly follow Him do the same. Anyone teaching against Torah is false.
The pope is the anti christ who the lord jesus warned us about. The pope changed the sabbath day from saturday to sunday. he did this because he is a satan worshiper. keeping sunday holy is dedicated to satan worship because sunday comes from the worship of the sun and satan thinks he is the morning star so it is a symbol for him. BEFORE JESUS WILL COME SATAN WILL COUNTERFIT HIMSELF AS CHRIST AND he will stand in pwoer with the pope and he will make a nwo and those who dont know christ will fall
@nasticanasta- Was not RCC was hiding Jews in basements?? You are an absolutist and cannot see the whole objective truth due to your opinion based upon feelings and emotions. I pray that one of these days you will do the math, for cold hard data does not lie when it comes to all things being equal. Please use a pencil and paper and do do some critical thinking for in the end we Catholics come out smelling like roses, compared to you Protestants.
@nasticanasta - I cant even read? I am not trying to be mean or anything but, have you read your own comments? I tell you, you have atrocious grammar.
@Snotra not only am I not a Lutheran, my pastors name isn't Luther, I don't know anyone named Luther, I can point out some stuff I disagree with Luther...I will denounce anyone who does evil in the name of God regardless of what "religion" they are of....evil is evil, wrong is wrong... no matter what the "Epitaph" or label. Again all I have to point out is that there were reformers way before Luther, so he didn't "corner the market" on Protestant Doctrine I follow the Bible not an ORGANIZATION!
@Snotra SNOT-ra you are so blind your reading with no comprehension, you want to link me to some guy so you can make this not about the catholics and Nazi's shown here hanging out having a wild fun time together. YOU follow a LEADER of a huge ORGANIZATION, I do not. I am not Lutheran, I disagree with some of Luthers ideas, reformists were not invented by Luther, there were "reformists" way before Luther. If anything, I'd be a follower of them, who followed the true path set out by Jesus Christ.
On May 21 1987, some social activists in Singapore were detained under the country's Internal Security Act for trying to overthrow the Singapore government...and guess who were their advisers and supporters? None other than some good old Jesuit priests!
I've done my research. I know that the jesuit scientists of the pontifical academy of science are the Illuminati. They decided that the old religion is no longer compatible with revolution of military affairs.
Zeitgeist is deeply tied with RMA, you can call it innovations in the trinity empire = NWO = UN agenda 21 = Communism = Global Corporatism dictatorship
@OrgonVpH7 oh boy the Illuminati? rofl.. whatta joke.. this is all hollywood hype you have bought into... go find a juvenile or conspirators blog to post on....lol you're more simple minded than these rcc leaders who make up wild stories.
@OrgonVpH7 lol I don't need to..it's totaly ridiculous... you watch to many movies...rofl....I hate to say what profile you fit... like a perfect puzzle piece...rofl
@OrgonVpH7 lol OK .. all you said was you filter info.. but you don't say where you get it from....you are the sheep because you don't question this ridiculous theory....you are the sheep believing this...lol idiotic davinci code dope....I knew about the "fake" illuminati scandel well before it was outted when that movie came out and the french guy who made up all the lies...
@OrgonVpH7 look? you can't see me...lol whatta dope...You haven't said anything yet except spooky Illuminati crap.. rofl you are out of your tiny little mind.... let's find out your world view, are you a catholic or Christian or Muslim or atheist? what is it...I have no idea where your coming from except looneyville. I live within 10 miles of Vatican soil....all you know is sensationalism like Tony Jones, I hate what the Vatican stands for, but your a nut.
@OrgonVpH7 I already stated I did my research and discovered the Illuminati illusion decades ago. And I wasn't fooled for one second. Grow up! Please stop BOTHERING (you misspelled it) me with your nonsense.
You can reply to me when you make a better assertion than "Zeitgeist is deeply tied with RMA, you can call it innovations in the trinity empire = NWO = UN agenda 21 = Communism = Global Corporatism dictatorship" this is just you spouting nonsenseical rantings....I see no proof.
The pope is the anti christ he enforced the change of the sabbath day from saturday to sunday after constantine gave him the power of church and state. He killed and persecuted millions of christians in the dark ages through the inqusition. And the popes in the dark ages dared to claim to be the substitute of jesus on earth his equal. these 3 sighns daniel said the anti christ would fullfill and so far only the popes have. The pope controls the jesuits which control the freemasons and illumant
@vladimirkovalski The pope is NOT the anti-Christ...but the papal system is..don't be atupid like Hal Lindsey or Dave Hunt who have been precting this crap for 3-4 decades....and theyhave been wrong for as long... People who make Prophecy remarks like this have no clue and are grasping at straws....Freemasons are just satanic and nothing more....
@nasticanasta REALLY THAN WHY DOES REV 13 SAY 666 the number of the beast is the number of a man. rev 17 points to the harlot church as the papacy so how can you say the harlot church is also the beast if the bible makes a clear distinction between them two. The bible says the beast and the harlot church sit in pwoer together. Paul said he saw a man standing in the temple of God clamining to be God. That is the anti christ and so far only the pope came out of rome and called himself jesus equal
@vladimirkovalski ..so which pope is or was the beast then.. lol see? it's the papacy.. the rulers of the rcc, it can't be one man because ..well like I said which pope it is then? if you say it is this one, then when he dies then what? .... the papacy holds the false doctrine the moment you claim to know this "great Mystery" as stated in REV. youclaim to know what God said you can't know till then...you might as well join Dave Hunt and Hal Lindsey and the rest of these prophecy nuts....
@vladimirkovalski by this statement you are claiming the waters are not a great crowd of people but just water... since you choose to take it so literally, and the lampstands..well they have to be just lampstands and not the 7 Churches... oh well I guess you know all...the beast is a representation of the rcc rulers, it is not a certain man as TV evangelists say.. wow you join the ranks of Benny Hinn and Joyce Meyers.. I'd run as fast as I could if I were you. You and Joel Olsteen rofl!!!
@nasticanasta you didnt answer my statement you only think you did. ill say it again paul said he saw a man stand in the temple of God and speak blasphemy and paul said this man comes to do the work of satan with counterfit power and miracles that is clearley the anti christ so how can you say it wont be a man. rev 19 says the beast and the false prophet where thrown alive in the lake of fire how can you say thats not a man
@vladimirkovalski the harlot drinks the wine that she shares with the nations whom are also drunk, so youar saying God can't throw the papacy into the lake of fire? i thinkGod is capable of things we can't imagine, nnot even when we are with God in Heaven, we will still not know, stop putting limits on God. I did answer you, you sayit's the pope, ok which one? lol see people before you have siad it was the pope too, many popes have come died and gone since then,ya know the pope is the papacy too
YES NASTICANASTA IS AT IT AGAIN I COME TO VISIT HIM FROM TIME TO TIME AND ALL HIS NON SENSE HAS BEEN REFUTED BY MAPOLLO,MYSELF AND DOZENS OF OTHERS HES JUST A COURTJESTER .DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT HIS PAST JUST LOOK UP HIS NAME IN BOARDTRACKERDOTCOM...HE IS NO POSITION TO SPEAK OF MORALITY WHERE BY SOME ODD WAY WHICH HE VEHEMENTLY DENIES THE SAME NAME APPEARS AS SURFING FOR PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL
I still don't understand why it is said the Roman Empire fell. Its laws merged with the Catholic Cannon and still rules over the minds and lives of BILLIONS of Catholics. Our Capitol as well as most of the "Western" capitols copy Roman buildings and are donned with Latin enscriptions. Their Jesuit Order has been ejected from over 80 countries for enciting war. I could go on and on. I'm very glad to see some recognize a Roman psyche-job when they see it!
@Snotra YES NASTICANASTA IS AT IT AGAIN I COME TO VISIT HIM FROM TIME TO TIME AND ALL HIS NON SENSE HAS BEEN REFUTED BY MAPOLLO,MYSELF AND DOZENS OF OTHERS HES JUST A COURTJESTER .DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT HIS PAST JUST LOOK UP HIS NAME IN BOARDTRACKERDOTCOM...HE IS NO POSITION TO SPEAK OF MORALITY WHERE BY SOME ODD WAY WHICH HE VEHEMENTLY DENIES THE SAME NAME APPEARS AS SURFING FOR PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL
@nasticanasta - "Rid the whole world of a race"? Show me direct, or indirect quotes from Nietzsche and or Darwin saying this? I will show you a direct quote from Luther some three hundred years before your examples. Persecuting and destroying the Jewish race can be found in many of his quotes, heres one of many... " We are at fault in not slaying them. Rather we allow them to live freely in our midst despite an their murdering, cursing, blaspheming, lying, and defaming" etc.." :Martin Luther
@Snotra Hitler did you dope you can't even read.....and as for coming to visit me from time to time.. Ive only talked to you several times... why do you insist on embellishing every statement....regardless I do not follow Luther.. no Protestant "follows" Luther...Luther still had some stupid Ideas he was still a pre-trib..so he ain't my leader... go find another blog to post ridiculous statements on... lol whatta dope.
Hitler himself said: "... I learned a lot from the training by the Jesuits until now there has never been a great thing, where on earth than the hierarchical organization of the Roman Catholic Church. I transferred much of this organization in my own party, also in regard to the Jews.
In regard to the Jews, I only continue the same policy that the Roman Catholic Church came to in 1500 years ... judged by Jews in ghettos as dangerous and violated, etc. ... because they knew how the Jews had always been really ... "(The Nazi Persecution of the Churches by Conway, pgs. 25, 26)
Dont forget that the Lutheran Church in Germany was splitted in two parts. The "Bekennende Kirche" and "Deutsche Kirche". The evangelic "Bekennende Kirche" was going into opposition to Nazi-Germany and many members were getting killed by Nazis because of their Faith. Some examples:
Dietrich Bonhoeffer: "Christianity is not compatible with racism"
@jeshualivesforever you're so mistaken, Luther still considered himself a catholic....he attacked the leaders, not the religion. I do not consider evangelicals as true Christians. Before you start pointing fingers we must first find out the beliefs of these so-called Christians, and see if they match up with scripture, if not they were just heretical fundamentalists.
No, he wrote "On Jews and Their Lies" late in his life in 1543. He had already gone to the Marburg Colloquy for emerging Protestant states by 1529 and took part in Protestant activities ever since.
@afeeder Ya you should read the posts from catholics here damming the Jewish race.... Again I am no Lutheran, Luther may have had some good points but there were "reformists" hundrends of years before Luther, The Waldensians go back almost the the 1st century...Luther made some of his claims public, those ideas were older than the word "catholic". What you assume with no proof is that the first Christians believed catholic doctrine back. incredibly false.
Though there were plenty of "heretical" groups in the past, most of them died out.
"The Waldensians go back almost the the 1st century"
That is basically your personal religious view, even plenty of modern Waldensians say they started with Peter Valdo, much less mainstream historians.
My point was that Luther didn't consider himself Roman Catholic by the time he wrote works like "On Jews and their Lies" as he had started participating in Protestant activities long before then.
@afeeder regardless there is plenty of evidence for reformists way back to the 1st century.. you just never did enough research on it, MY POINT IS, I am not a Lutheran..he is nor ever was MY leader, My Leader is GOD. You can cry all you want about who did what and when but at the end of the day Luther is just some guy with some ideas a long time ago. I don't care about him he still had a pre-trib viewpoint..which meant he still had learning to do.
@afeeder Me? I just wonder how all you catholics can call yourself followers of God and be bigots and wish Jews dead. And if Luther hated Jews well then he is damned to hell... Bible says in the OT"I will curse those who curse my people" ...again I do not care about Luther...you people think this is some God to me..he isn't. there is only one between me and God it's Jesus. Whom I might add is the same person.
@afeeder the waldensians were just one of many "pre-reformists" And who cares what Luther says.. I am no Luteran...He did not start his own religious sect that happened after he died. And when Luther put his ideas on that bulltetin board he was still a catholic...still considered himself a good catholic.. do some reading. I noticed how you changed what I said to fit your comment. Wwhen he wrote his reformist ideas, he was still a catholic. That's all I said and I am right.
"I noticed how you changed what I said to fit your comment. Wwhen he wrote his reformist ideas, he was still a catholic. That's all I said and I am right."
From the very beginning I said that when he wrote his antisemitic book he was not Catholic and didn't claim to be, I wasn't talking about his 95 theses which was decades before. And they did split off long before he died: they called themselves Evangelicals (though Catholics called them Lutherans.)
@afeeder don't care what you first wrote here.. but your first comment to me did not mention any of this, I never spoke of this, I clearly stated what I said, and it was about when he posted his ideas on a church bulletin board, that he still considered himself a catholic...final. Regardless, Luther is not my leader and never was. On the contrary, you do have leadership that is highly suspect and questionable in morality. in other words, shut the fuck up, dumbass.
@Snotra it's not Luther you should thank, (you're way off base here) it's Nietzsche & Darwin you should thank here. Show the quote of Luther wanting to rid the world of a whole race...
@Snotra you need to look at this video again.. and see who is having agrande time with Nazi's... it's a bunch of catholics! You can thank catholics for helping the Nazi's try and eradicate the Jewish race, that is for sure. Be sure and check all Gatta's posts of hatred towards certain races he feels shouldn't be allowed to exist. You are no different snot-ra.
0:47, 0:49, 1:00, 1:52, etc. Schlageter was Catholic, but he died in 1923, and was obviously never a Nazi. The Nazis appropriated his story because he was a war hero for the Germans after their defeat.
1:02 German Luther's Day badge. A festival to celebrate MARTIN LUTHER!
2:01, 2:03 Ludwig Muller, head of the German PROTESTANT Church
0:53 The Nationalsozialistiche Frauenansichten was just the Nazi's womens league. It was mostly Protestestant and had nothing to do with the Catholic Church.
2:16, Cardinal von Faulhaber, "As representatives of the Bavarian Jewish synagogues, we will never forget how you, honourable Mister Cardinal, in the years after 1933, with unseen courage, have defended the ethics of the Old Testament from your pulpits, and how you saved thousands of Jewish persons from terror and lethal violence."
1:11, 1:14 German War Graves Commission, a commission in charge of burying the war dead. again, nothing to do with the Vatican
1:59, 2:21, 2:23, 2:26 German Christian (DC), they were Protestants
2:37 Hitler leaving Marine Church in Wilhelmshaven, a Protestant Church
2:24 Hitler greeting Protestant Ludwig Muller standing next to Abbott Schachleitner, who was suspended by the Catholic Church when he tried to publish a pro-Nazi article.
so anyway very little of the video is actually about Catholics. This is just propaganda intended for sheep, who won't even question whether these people are Catholic
@afeeder all we need is one photo.. and in your own words very little means "some" that's all I need...how many times do you need to see evil before you consider it evil? Apparently if your a catholic you get special "reprieves" to do "some evil" ...please inform us how much is too much.
@afeeder so your saying these pictures of Nazis and priests is fake?..lol the chirstmas pictures ...everything is fake? This hasn't been debunked otherwise no one would have anything more to say here... what a pack of lies I do not trust an ORGANIZATION which is the catholics mind you the definition of a cult is any ORGANIZATION or religious sect with a central leader. You need to stop denying actula photos of Nazis and priests and popes with them..hanging out and having fun.. smiling!
".everything is fake? This hasn't been debunked otherwise no one would have anything more to say here"
Lol, WHAT??? are you new to the internet??? Go to a moon landing hoax or elder protocols of zion page and you can see debunking doesn't matter at all, for sheep. They believe it anyway.
"so your saying these pictures of Nazis and priests is fake?"
No, did you read what I wrote? I am saying most of the pictures are of Protestants.
And some of the actual Catholic priests in the photos, as I mentioned, were recognized for their work in helping Jews.
For example:
2:14 is Cardinal von Faulhaber, "As representatives of the Bavarian Jewish synagogues, we will never forget how you, honourable Mister Cardinal, in the years after 1933, with unseen courage, have defended the ethics of the Old Testament from your pulpits, and how you saved thousands of Jewish persons from terror and lethal violence."
@afeeder ya some.. but not all... I see how you choose words to help disguise the truth... some isn't all 2 different words... anyone regardless of who they are associated with in these pictures helped evil... I don't give a shit what religion they were or ORGANIZATION they were... get it? but clearly there are Nazis and catholics laughing together and eating together the Christmas pictures are the ones that really show this.. all you could do was say, "others did too", I call them all evil.
@afeeder i do what you could never do...I say each and every single person involved in these pictures is evil, every ORGANIZATION & every man is evil here and must account for this. you make excuses such as, "others did this too" fact is the rcc is an ORGANIZATION with a central leadership. there is no central leader for True Protestants (post-trib). Again you can't link me to any of these people, but I can link the rcc to it..and their continued denial of their past as you are doing right here.
"every single person involved in these pictures is evil"
Even the RC priests who saved Jews? It is better for more Jews to die than to appear in these pictures?
'you make excuses such as, "others did this too" others did this too"'
You misquoted me. What I actually said was 1. most people in this video aren't Catholic and 2. of those who were Catholic in the video, not all were bad. Apparently you think you know more about the Holocaust than 1940s Bavarian Jews, yeah right
Actually, while there were some very bad Catholic priests, and that is terrible, the fact of the matter is these "brown priests" who supported the Nazis often had a turbulent relationship with their church superiors, especially if they made their views public (Abbott Schachleiter, the most famous, who is standing next to Muller at 2:24, was suspended from ecclesiastical duties for anti-Jewish and died in 1936, stripped of all religious authority)
Everyone should watch following documentary. No conspiracy no bs, pure facts and documents.
Search YouTube for:
Vatican's Holocaust 1/6 - Nazi Croatia death camps
SerbNegroMonte 8 months ago
HOLA PELADOS QUIEN SABE QUE TANTO DE SUS BLSFEMIAS PERDONE DIOS NO CREO QUE HITLER Y DIOS SEAN O MISMO NO CREO QUE DIOS BAJO PARA HACER LAS GUERRAS Y NOMAS PERDERLAS DIOS VENDRIA A GANAR Y NO CON FANFARRONADAS Y RIDICULOS MUNDIALES ATENCION BOLA DE CABESONES QUE AQUI NO CABEN VEANSE PRIMERO A UN ESPEJO Y DESPUES DESIDANSE SI DECIRUNA BOLA DE DISPARATS SANDESES E INCOERENCIAS
SUMERSS100 8 months ago
HOLA PELADOS QUIEN SABE QUE TANTO DE SUS BLSFEMIAS PERDONE DIOS NO CREO QUE HITLER Y DIOS SEAN O MISMO NO CREO QUE DIOS BAJO PARA HACER LAS GUERRAS Y NOMAS PERDERLAS DIOS VENDRIA A GANAR Y NO CON FANFARRONADAS Y RIDICULOS MUNDIALES
SUMERSS100 8 months ago
HOLA PELADOS QUIEN SABE QUE TANTO DE SUS BLSFEMIAS PERDONE DIOS NO CREO QUE HITLER Y DIOS SEAN O MISMO NO CREO QUE DIOS BAJO PARA HACER LAS GUERRAS Y NOMAS PERDERLAS DIOS VENDRIA A GANAR Y NO CON FANFARONADAS Y RIDICULOS MUNDIALES
SUMERSS100 8 months ago
it shows how roman church tried to destroy the original eastern orthodox church via genocide, pogrom, forced conversions, uniatism and all otherss..that is why i will leave Rome! no turning back!
PauGarcia69 8 months ago
The Nazi swore an oath to Hitler and Germany, not to the Catholic Church. Hitler wanted to remove Jews from Europe, and that is why he was supported by the Catholic Church. Hitler also wanted to rule the planet, and that is where his conflict with the church started. Germany was a very poor and defeated country after WW1, so where did Hitler get the money to build a huge military force?
Born2Flesh 8 months ago
the Nazi symbol is a distorted cross - the nazi philosophy is the opposite of everything the Church of Christ stands for- love your neighbour for starters-nazi germany condemmed 2m Catholic Poles to the gas chambers and killed and exiled the clergy and were as hell bent on wiping out catholicism as they were against others who they perceived as 'undesirable'
oconns55 8 months ago
@oconns55
Didn't stop the Church from supporting them.
otester 8 months ago
@oconns55 That's true: they even sacrificed their own kind! Mind you, Catholic Poles murdered around 7000 Jews who returned to their Polish homes AFTER the Holocaust. To say the Nazis were bent on wiping out Catholicism is bunkum. Hitler called Goebels his own Ignatius Loyola and based the Gestapo on the Jesuits. Franco, on hearing of Hitler's death, said he was a great son of the Catholic Church. Love your neighbour by burning heretics at the stake! And the Vatican banks haven't gone bust!
Fingalful 8 months ago
f there is doubt about that roman catholicism created fascism and nazism, think about the ground idea of roman catholic church: The only one true Organisation(RCC) and the supreme unfailing Ruler(roman Pope) want to controll the whole world, obey or die.
The Nazis just did continued what the RCC was doing the past 1500 years. Inquisitation, Progroms and Genocides were done by the roman cath.Church long time before there were Nazis.
And the roman catholic Ustasha in Croatia were total cruely.
jeshualivesforever 8 months ago
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jeshualivesforever 8 months ago
Jozef Tiso - SLOVAKIA! very, very sad story!!!
2naTTerass 9 months ago
so what's new , the Canaanites got fucked, and it gone on and on, people seem to be in the habit of killing each other
tnucasisusej 9 months ago
Most of these pictures are out of German Lutheran cathedrals. I think "Vatican" is a typo.
gregorynr 9 months ago
Total Bullshit !!
The US created Nazism !
The Great Depression ,...remember ??
Expect your dog to bite you if you keep on beating him up !!
northernfog69 9 months ago
all these people are probably on heaven now
PkErickLegends 9 months ago
Illuminati who sold their souls for Lucifer, have an obligation to teach the world the wrong names of the Trinity so they can deceive as many as possible upon judgment. When Christ asks "Who do you say that I am?" make sure and tell others to answer, :"You are God." If you give the Illuminati answer, "You are the son of a talking fire (the Lord)," you will quickly find out what Freemasonry has done to you and you will have an eternity to ponder it.
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fatimamovement 9 months ago
@fatimamovement what happens when I reply. "you are not jesus because jesus was white." lol so many racists are going to shit a brick.
oh and where in the bible does it say jesus was god?
MaorHelchen 9 months ago
if vatican inspired fascism , then jews created communism , communism killed more than nazism
albokk 9 months ago
Jesus’ Church is made up of imperfect humans. For some seemingly crazy reason He set it up that way. If the Media were around on the original Good Friday, the headline would have read “Jesus’ Apostles Abandon Him in Hour of Need; Deny Him Repeatedly.” It was a huge scandal. But it wasn’t the end of the story. Throughout history the Church has been tested and scandalized over and over, both from the outside and inside. Yet, it is still here.
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mjr2168 9 months ago
contd 1 And guess what? There will be more scandal in the future. And we will grapple with it, through thick and thin, back and forth, as we continue on this mysterious journey toward “something – as yet – unknowable.” The only step forward through this whole mess is a step deeper into what it means to be the Church – not a step out of it.
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mjr2168 9 months ago
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You can look for a church with perfect leaders if you’d like. But you can be sure that, if you ever do find it, it will not be Jesus’ Church. For He chose to build a Church upon the faith of sinners. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it (Mat 16:18).
mjr2168 9 months ago
Va fan Culo Testa di minchia!! vai a farti fottere!!!! The Vatican is a sacred place you puttana!! YOU GRAN' DISGRAZIATO!!!!!
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UltimateTacoman 9 months ago
very interewsting. thank you for posting.
stybarrow 10 months ago
For anyone watching this read, The Case Of The Pope by Geoffrey Robertson. You will find names, court cases, dates, and well researched information that clearly shows the lies secrets, payoffs and cover ups by the senior members if the Catholic Church regarding pedophilia. How any human being would want to be party to an organization that has this kind of standard of ethics would need to posses a heart of stone. How can one not feel the loveless energy within its teachings.
shimwah 10 months ago 2
In 1208, after they were accused of murdering a papal legate, Pope Innocent III declared the Albigensian Crusade against the Cathars, Up to a million people were killed in a conflict that combined both religious and political struggles. To root out those with Cathar sympathies, Gregory IX instituted the Papal Inquisition in 1231. Catholic doctrine maintains that the Church is infallible when it dogmatically teaches a doctrine of faith or morals
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fatimamovement 10 months ago
Be silent let what victims speak? These are so called representatives of victims not the victims themselves. The fact remains the Catholic Church has a vile history. It baffles me how any decent human being would want to be a part of this organization .
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah Your bigotry amazes me. The victims were the jews as a nation more so than as individuals. Your ignorance has no boundary. Listen to yourself. You keep using the words "fact" but you have not produced one shred of evidence. The reason I am a part of this organistation because I dont believe in conspiracy theories, and do a lot or reading and fact finding before I attempt going public to make a fool of myself.
mjr2168 10 months ago
@mjr2168 The reason you belong to the Catholic Church is because you have hardened your heart and make excuses and sanctuary for your friends who want to put their penis in young children.
I don't need to make a fool of myself your Church has done a great job of that all by itself, on a grand scale, many times.
There is plenty of evidence. I have also done my research. Keep reading.
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah With a mind like that, it was only a matter of time for you to prove your incapability of sustaining and maintaining a decent conversation only to degenerate into name calling. It is only people of your genre that do make comments like that. It is not your fault, but of society that has abandoned Liberal Arts and left a generation who is devoid of any skills of communication.
mjr2168 10 months ago
@mjr2168
LOL Pot calling the kettle black First you claim I have not furnished you with proof of the involvement of the Catholic Church's crimes which I have. You then accuse me of name calling and degenerate remarks for which YOU were first to set the precedent in your early posts. Then claim the higher moral ground throwing insults at the same time
Said like a true Catholic....Bravo dear Sir
shimwah 10 months ago
@mjr2168
I apologize for my intolerance of this organization. But you should know I have a close friend that was violated by a Catholic priest who was moved from this area after his exploits became evident. He has been moved 3 times and still remains active within the church in his new location. Who moves him around? Who keeps him in his robes? Why?
Read the book. 'The Case Of The Pope' by Geoffery Robertson QC. You will find some of the factual detailed representation that you seek.
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah I sympathise with you and your friend and I wish bad men like those come to justice. But I at one time was like you and threw Peter out along with Judas. But when people stigmatise the entire organisation because of a few, its like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I have read Robertsons book. The problem is that he writes as a prosecutor (not persecutor) and there is no defence. And to his dicredit he has some very shaky allegations which dismisses his credibility.
mjr2168 10 months ago
@mjr2168 This Father T is actually a very charming, generous man that I found quite likable. He has done a huge amount of charity work in the community and made allot of money for the church. His unsavory exploits with children are spoken of in whispers and hush conversation. Are you saying the Church has no idea of the peoples lives he has messed with. If so why was he moved. Why is he still in the church and given the opportunity to re-offend. And how do you explain the many others?
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah If you know that something is going on and you are silent, and not doing anything about it you are equally condemned by complicity. By the act of commission you have sinned and are equally condemned. The church may not be aware as it often seen that parent are the last to know about the wrong of their children. And the common cry is how did you not know when it is happening under your nose. Priest are often rotated and it may not be because of their demonic actions.
mjr2168 10 months ago
@mjr2168 Let me get this right. You are saying the Church was unaware, doesn't have any idea or has never manipulated these events to avoid scandal.
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah I have a feeling that we are not on the same page. Lets reverse a little. What do you mean by the word "Church" that you keep on mentioning.
mjr2168 10 months ago
@mjr2168 The Catholic Church. 'The One True Church'
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah NOt much of a definition to ride with. But let me see if I can clarify. Do you mean the Church with a history of 2000 years, billions of people saints and sinner, dead and alive, the church which gave the west its legal system, the definition of the word charity, the bible, metallurgy, the birth of universities, the liberal arts, advances in astronomy, art, architecture, literary geniuses, the scholastics, agriculture, irrigation, archaelogy. The church mentioned in 1Timothy 3:15
mjr2168 10 months ago
@mjr2168 Yes that's the one. I like how you cherry picked all the positives. We could do that with Islam too.
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah Try it with Islam and you will fail miserably. These are not positives of the lame type. These are life changing positives. How about you trying to put out some negatives, objective ones not emotional and subjective.
mjr2168 10 months ago
@shimwah Is it a case where because of a few rotten trees you want to cut down the whole forest. Or could it be that you are using this scandal is a scaffold on which you are tyring to hang you justification for not practising your faith.
mjr2168 10 months ago
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@mjr2168 You did not answer my question. Are saying the Church was unaware, doesn't have any idea or has never manipulated these events to avoid scandal.
shimwah 10 months ago
@mjr2168 I have heard this argument before. Jesus forgave Judas.. There are other organizations to practice ones faith that create a loving atmosphere. Ones that do not hide in the shadows with lies and secrets. Ones that equally forgive and hold to account when one is not living from their heart.
I am sorry mijr there are good people within the Catholic Church, I have no doubts about this. I do however feel no love from the Church as a whole. Just pure evil.
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah Love has to be based on knowing the thing you love first. As I mentioned earlier, I doubt if you have ever read a catholic book in your life, maybe except the Bible. Anyway I will leave you with one of the greatest comeback lines of history, that will sum up my case. Read on in the continuation by click into the page.
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mjr2168 10 months ago
contd 1 One of the greatest comeback lines in history was uttered two hundred years ago. As his armies were swallowing up the countries of Europe, French emperor Napoleon is reported to have said to Church officials, "Je détruirai votre église" ("I will destroy your Church")." When informed of the emperor's words, Ercole Cardinal Consalvi, one of the great statesmen of the papal court, replied,
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mjr2168 10 months ago
contd 2 "He will never succeed. We have not managed to do it ourselves!" If bad popes, immoral priests, and countless sinners in the Church hadn't succeeded in destroying the Church from within, Cardinal Consalvi was saying, how did Napoleon think he was going to do it from without?
mjr2168 10 months ago
@mjr2168 That is a good question. I would say because the forces of evil give it power. A power that is thankfully in it's final days.
You I expect would say, because our almighty father gives its blessing and protection to an organization that commits itself to the work of Christ on earth.
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah The answer to you statement lies in 1Timthy 3:15. Read it and you decide whether its power comes from evil or from divine mandate. I am assuming that you are christian or have a christian upbringing. Evil does not try to distroy evil and Napoleon was not a saint. It is not I who says but let the bible speak. Be brave and give me you speel on I Tim 3:15.
mjr2168 10 months ago
@mjr2168 Firstly evil turns on itself and propagates evil. Evil does indeed attack good. It also attacks itself by its very nature of disharmony and separation.
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
If one is to be with God long enough, one will know how to behave. 'The church of the living God' That which resides in us all equally.
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah Thats right evil turns on itself, but doesnt go out to destroy evil. Good try with the verse, but way way out of context. Read it again close without prejudice and let the spirit guide you.
mjr2168 10 months ago
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shimwah 10 months ago
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shimwah 10 months ago
Be silent let the victims speak:
"Only the Catholic Church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught on liberty. Up till then I had not been interested in the Church, but today I feel a great admiration for the Church, which alone has had the courage to struggle for spiritual truth and moral liberty." Albert Einstein
mjr2168 10 months ago
@mjr2168 Albert Einstein was obviously not raped by a catholic priest as were thousands of children in every nation around the world.
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah Thank you, It is obvious that I have removed prejudice against the CC by shedding light on this lie and bigots like you must look for other reason to feed their bigotry. Well for now I will let to wollow in your ignorance.
Child abuse is a crime anywhere in the civilised world. I dont condone it and I hope those priest rot in hell, along with the other 98 % which make up this sick group of people. But from you statement it looks like you want to excuse the 98% and focus on 1.2.
mjr2168 10 months ago
@mjr2168 The fact is that tens of thousands of children throughout the world have been sexually abused by priests who have been secretly dealt with by an ecclesiastical law that provides no real punishment and gives them the opportunity to re offend. There is no doubt that the scale of the sex abuse scandal came about because of the directives of the Vatican. Specifically from the Congregation for the doctrine of faith. Accountability? 0 . You want bigotry and ignorance... look in the mirror.
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah Could you make a valid reference to the so called ecclesiastical laws that has encourage these deviates. I guess not. If there is no doubt, put your money where you mouth is and make reference to these laws. Then we can see who is the bigot.
mjr2168 10 months ago
@mjr2168 The CDF required all sex abuse complaints processed in utter secrecy and withheld from local police and courts under a cannon law that was obsolete ineffective and non- punitive. The Holy See claims the right to operate the system as one of its statehood privileges.
shimwah 10 months ago
@mjr2168 Cont.. The Pope who as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, was the Prefect (head) of the CDF from 1981 to 2005 and it was on his watch that a vast amount of the sex abuse took place. How much he knew of its extent, and how offenders were moved around parishes and trafficked to other countries and hidden from local criminal justice will not be clear until the CDF is required to open its files. The valid reference you seek is hidden in the organization you champion. Even you don't get to see it.
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah The very word "hidden" gives you away, If these so called files are hidden away in the CDF how do you know that is the big question. Your comment here all tantamount to emotions and not factual. After the second world war' gossip mongers spoke about hidden files involving the CC as co conspirators, but when those archieves were opened to the public and was proved other wise, half a century later you still have people believing in their own infallibility and lies.
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mjr2168 10 months ago
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mjr2168 10 months ago
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Evil exist in all forms and in all organisations, the CC Church is not exempt. It entered with judas Iscariot and many Judas will follow. There is evil in the basic unit of society too " the family" The highest child abuses cases involve family members I dont see you condeming the family unit. If you did you would be called a mad cap. So the next time you make a comment try and be rational.
I bet you are the type that has never read a single catholic book in your life.
mjr2168 10 months ago
@mjr2168 You are missing the whole point here. 1. Why are the files closed?, What gives them the impunity to do this in the first place? 2. Even without the details in the files there is clear evidence from the victims and the way the Vatican moved these pedophiles around to avoid scandal. These are crimes against humanity. Not just some petty theft.
Your organization is clearly operating above the law. Always has. Any idiot can see that. You are welcome to it.
shimwah 10 months ago
@shimwah If I am missing the point (which i am not) you are steering away from your previous comments. It is the factual representation, that you previously commented upon, that is of concern to me.
As I have mentioned, bad things did happen, but when you relegate these bad things to organised crime with no factual proof then it all becomes a bit wishy washy.
Millions do not believe the moon landing and they have very convincing theories. But factual evidence proves otherwise.
mjr2168 10 months ago
Be silent, let the victims speak:
"More than anyone else, we have had the opportunity to appreciate the great kindness, filled with compassion and magnanimity, that the Pope displayed during the terrible years of persecution and terror" (Elio Toaff, Chief Rabbi of Rome, following Rabbi Zolli’s conversion).
mjr2168 10 months ago
Be silent, let the victims speak:
"With special gratitude we remember all he (Pius X11) has done for the persecuted Jews during one of the darkest periods in their entire history” (Nahum Goldmann, president of the World Jewish Congress).
mjr2168 10 months ago
Be silent, let the victims speak:
"We share the grief of the world over the death of His Holiness Pius XII. . . . During the ten years of Nazi terror, when our people passed through the horrors of martyrdom, the Pope raised his voice to condemn the persecutors and to commiserate with their victims" (Golda Meir, Israeli representative to the U.N. and future prime minister of Israel).
mjr2168 10 months ago
Be silent, let the victims speak:
In Three Popes and the Jews Lapide estimated the total number of Jews that had been spared as a result of Pius XII’s throwing the Church’s weight into the clandestine struggle to save them. After totaling the numbers of Jews saved in different areas and deducting the numbers saved by other causes, such as the praiseworthy efforts of some European Protestants, "The final number of Jewish lives in whose rescue the Catholic Church
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contd a had been the instrument is thus at least 700,000 souls, but in all probability it is much closer to . . . 860,000."[21] This is a total larger than all other Jewish relief organizations in Europe, combined, were able to save. Lapide calculated that Pius XII and the Church he headed constituted the most successful Jewish aid organization in all of Europe during the war, dwarfing the Red Cross and all other aid societies.
mjr2168 10 months ago
Be Silent, Let the victims speak:
The Pope’s efforts did not go unrecognized by Jewish authorities, even during the War. The Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, Isaac Herzog, sent the Pope a personal message of thanks on February 28, 1944, in which he said: "The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion which form the very foundations of true civilization, are doing for us unfortunate brothers
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Other Jewish leaders chimed in also. Rabbi Safran of Bucharest, Romania, sent a note of thanks to the papal nuncio on April 7, 1944: "It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the warmth and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the supreme pontiff, who offered a large sum to relieve the sufferings of deported jews.
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The Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, also made a statement of thanks: "What the Vatican did will be indelibly and eternally engraved in our hearts. . . . Priests and even high prelates did things that will forever be an honor to Catholicism."
mjr2168 10 months ago
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The Secular New Order is in with Vatican II. By worshipping the Masonic Trinity, they are no longer Catholic. In fact, there is no official Catholic Church anymore- they are Judeo-Masonic. This is why it's an Apocalypse- Lucifer has won. The Authentic Third Secret of Fatima was released in April, we are in the final 70 weeks of Daniel. FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m has all the documents that prove the Lord is not the Catholic god, Our Lady is in the Trinity, the Holy Ghost is the Father. JC is God.
fatimamovement 10 months ago
@ nasticanast - You have no faith in men but only faith in Gods word? Why are even here trolling and trying to convert and lead astray the Lords flock, for truly you are not exempt from humanity? What kind of man are you? Your paradigm at best is amusing. I really wish you could understand that some of your comments here end up being double negatives.
Snotra 10 months ago
Just another example of the AntiChrist!!
Loudmouf84 11 months ago
Straw man 2
straw man 2:
You said, "but clearly there are Nazis and catholics laughing together and eating together the Christmas pictures are the ones that really show this"
I responded, "Are you claiming you call tell people's religion by looking at them, or is this just your fantasy?" [my point was everyone was in military uniforms or a father Xmas costume in those pictures see 2:50 2:52 3:00]
afeeder 11 months ago
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*Its HERESY to equate God to creation as H2o *Trinity is man-made/has NO basis in Scripture *God is ONE [Exod20:3, Mrk12:29, Quran2:163] *God is NOT man/son of [Num23:19] and NEVER seen [Exod33:20] *Christ is created by a Word of God just as Adam or Universe "Let there BE..." [Gen ch1,2] *God does NOT need blood sacrifice [Hos6:6] *you are NOT born with original sin [Ezek18:20] *Salvation is: Surrender to God [ISLAM] and His MERCY.
Is any willing to surrender to GOD [Muslim] now and be saved?
robin4good 11 months ago
This expose was fantastic. We should keep these things... Devarim 13:3-5 second, Matthew 7:21-23 ,the words of Rav Sha'ul in 2 Cor. 11:3-4 & Rev 22:13-15. Yeshua kept Torah and those who truly follow Him do the same. Anyone teaching against Torah is false.
BornInTzyon 11 months ago
@OrgonVpH7 would not recognize it if it would bit you in the ass.
captainmorgan757 11 months ago
The pope is the anti christ who the lord jesus warned us about. The pope changed the sabbath day from saturday to sunday. he did this because he is a satan worshiper. keeping sunday holy is dedicated to satan worship because sunday comes from the worship of the sun and satan thinks he is the morning star so it is a symbol for him. BEFORE JESUS WILL COME SATAN WILL COUNTERFIT HIMSELF AS CHRIST AND he will stand in pwoer with the pope and he will make a nwo and those who dont know christ will fall
vladimirkovalski 11 months ago
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@vladimirkovalski OK now you have gone uber "Legalistic"
nasticanasta 11 months ago
the vatican is like the most anti-christian-values-institute immageinable...
eroceanos 11 months ago
@eroceanos Iwouldn't say theyare "the most" but they are up there...I'd say JW's Mormons and all the TV evangelists are higher on that scale
nasticanasta 11 months ago
anyone know the song name
MrWeasels99 11 months ago
@MrWeasels99 I think it's a death metal tune...Merciful Fate maybe? King Diamond? rofl!
nasticanasta 11 months ago
what is the song
MrWeasels99 11 months ago
I have always felt that the Vatican is the true EVIL in this world!!!!!!
The Devils/Dark Side ultimate dupe on the innocent, ignorant loving soul....
People please do your own investigating and see for yourselves what is really going on in the name of GOD.
wallaceoo2 11 months ago
Erratum - "Was not the RCC"...
Snotra 11 months ago
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nasticanasta 11 months ago
@nasticanasta- Was not RCC was hiding Jews in basements?? You are an absolutist and cannot see the whole objective truth due to your opinion based upon feelings and emotions. I pray that one of these days you will do the math, for cold hard data does not lie when it comes to all things being equal. Please use a pencil and paper and do do some critical thinking for in the end we Catholics come out smelling like roses, compared to you Protestants.
Snotra 11 months ago
@OrgonVpH7 there isn't one...rofl!
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@nasticanasta - I cant even read? I am not trying to be mean or anything but, have you read your own comments? I tell you, you have atrocious grammar.
Snotra 11 months ago
@nasticanasta - Not a follower of Luther? How old is your faith, and can you show its history?
Snotra 11 months ago
@Snotra not only am I not a Lutheran, my pastors name isn't Luther, I don't know anyone named Luther, I can point out some stuff I disagree with Luther...I will denounce anyone who does evil in the name of God regardless of what "religion" they are of....evil is evil, wrong is wrong... no matter what the "Epitaph" or label. Again all I have to point out is that there were reformers way before Luther, so he didn't "corner the market" on Protestant Doctrine I follow the Bible not an ORGANIZATION!
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@Snotra SNOT-ra you are so blind your reading with no comprehension, you want to link me to some guy so you can make this not about the catholics and Nazi's shown here hanging out having a wild fun time together. YOU follow a LEADER of a huge ORGANIZATION, I do not. I am not Lutheran, I disagree with some of Luthers ideas, reformists were not invented by Luther, there were "reformists" way before Luther. If anything, I'd be a follower of them, who followed the true path set out by Jesus Christ.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
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On May 21 1987, some social activists in Singapore were detained under the country's Internal Security Act for trying to overthrow the Singapore government...and guess who were their advisers and supporters? None other than some good old Jesuit priests!
ChristiansofAsia 11 months ago
@OrgonVpH7
bro, research. what the harm in it? how can knowledge be a negative thing? find out some truth. find the light.
shumba18 11 months ago
@shumba18
I've done my research. I know that the jesuit scientists of the pontifical academy of science are the Illuminati. They decided that the old religion is no longer compatible with revolution of military affairs.
Zeitgeist is deeply tied with RMA, you can call it innovations in the trinity empire = NWO = UN agenda 21 = Communism = Global Corporatism dictatorship
See this, and read the document:
watch?v=A7-jJBxeINI
OrgonVpH7 11 months ago
@OrgonVpH7 oh boy the Illuminati? rofl.. whatta joke.. this is all hollywood hype you have bought into... go find a juvenile or conspirators blog to post on....lol you're more simple minded than these rcc leaders who make up wild stories.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
Why dont you try to refute my post rather than call me a conspirator? I don't deal with conspiracies, I filter information and correlate facts.
Major changes are comming that may afect your life in a very negative way. Don't you want to know the truth about what's going on?
That's why most people are sheeple, you may fit this profile.
OrgonVpH7 11 months ago
@OrgonVpH7 lol I don't need to..it's totaly ridiculous... you watch to many movies...rofl....I hate to say what profile you fit... like a perfect puzzle piece...rofl
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@OrgonVpH7 lol OK .. all you said was you filter info.. but you don't say where you get it from....you are the sheep because you don't question this ridiculous theory....you are the sheep believing this...lol idiotic davinci code dope....I knew about the "fake" illuminati scandel well before it was outted when that movie came out and the french guy who made up all the lies...
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
You look like a child!
Why don't you make your own research and prove that i'm wrong. Grow up! Please stop bother me with your nonsense.
You can reply to me when you disprove the validity of my post.
OrgonVpH7 11 months ago
@OrgonVpH7 look? you can't see me...lol whatta dope...You haven't said anything yet except spooky Illuminati crap.. rofl you are out of your tiny little mind.... let's find out your world view, are you a catholic or Christian or Muslim or atheist? what is it...I have no idea where your coming from except looneyville. I live within 10 miles of Vatican soil....all you know is sensationalism like Tony Jones, I hate what the Vatican stands for, but your a nut.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@OrgonVpH7 I already stated I did my research and discovered the Illuminati illusion decades ago. And I wasn't fooled for one second. Grow up! Please stop BOTHERING (you misspelled it) me with your nonsense.
You can reply to me when you make a better assertion than "Zeitgeist is deeply tied with RMA, you can call it innovations in the trinity empire = NWO = UN agenda 21 = Communism = Global Corporatism dictatorship" this is just you spouting nonsenseical rantings....I see no proof.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
Du habensie ales das shiesen richtish!
CrimsonSword369 11 months ago
The pope is the anti christ he enforced the change of the sabbath day from saturday to sunday after constantine gave him the power of church and state. He killed and persecuted millions of christians in the dark ages through the inqusition. And the popes in the dark ages dared to claim to be the substitute of jesus on earth his equal. these 3 sighns daniel said the anti christ would fullfill and so far only the popes have. The pope controls the jesuits which control the freemasons and illumant
vladimirkovalski 11 months ago
@vladimirkovalski The pope is NOT the anti-Christ...but the papal system is..don't be atupid like Hal Lindsey or Dave Hunt who have been precting this crap for 3-4 decades....and theyhave been wrong for as long... People who make Prophecy remarks like this have no clue and are grasping at straws....Freemasons are just satanic and nothing more....
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@nasticanasta REALLY THAN WHY DOES REV 13 SAY 666 the number of the beast is the number of a man. rev 17 points to the harlot church as the papacy so how can you say the harlot church is also the beast if the bible makes a clear distinction between them two. The bible says the beast and the harlot church sit in pwoer together. Paul said he saw a man standing in the temple of God clamining to be God. That is the anti christ and so far only the pope came out of rome and called himself jesus equal
vladimirkovalski 11 months ago
@vladimirkovalski ..so which pope is or was the beast then.. lol see? it's the papacy.. the rulers of the rcc, it can't be one man because ..well like I said which pope it is then? if you say it is this one, then when he dies then what? .... the papacy holds the false doctrine the moment you claim to know this "great Mystery" as stated in REV. youclaim to know what God said you can't know till then...you might as well join Dave Hunt and Hal Lindsey and the rest of these prophecy nuts....
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@vladimirkovalski by this statement you are claiming the waters are not a great crowd of people but just water... since you choose to take it so literally, and the lampstands..well they have to be just lampstands and not the 7 Churches... oh well I guess you know all...the beast is a representation of the rcc rulers, it is not a certain man as TV evangelists say.. wow you join the ranks of Benny Hinn and Joyce Meyers.. I'd run as fast as I could if I were you. You and Joel Olsteen rofl!!!
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@nasticanasta you didnt answer my statement you only think you did. ill say it again paul said he saw a man stand in the temple of God and speak blasphemy and paul said this man comes to do the work of satan with counterfit power and miracles that is clearley the anti christ so how can you say it wont be a man. rev 19 says the beast and the false prophet where thrown alive in the lake of fire how can you say thats not a man
vladimirkovalski 11 months ago
@vladimirkovalski the harlot drinks the wine that she shares with the nations whom are also drunk, so youar saying God can't throw the papacy into the lake of fire? i thinkGod is capable of things we can't imagine, nnot even when we are with God in Heaven, we will still not know, stop putting limits on God. I did answer you, you sayit's the pope, ok which one? lol see people before you have siad it was the pope too, many popes have come died and gone since then,ya know the pope is the papacy too
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@vladimirkovalski I used a comparative argument...I did answer you.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@nasticanasta i meant the harlot...not the beast.. doh is a representationof the rcc
nasticanasta 11 months ago
Finding errors in this video is like finding water in the ocean!!!
captainmorgan757 1 year ago
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YES NASTICANASTA IS AT IT AGAIN I COME TO VISIT HIM FROM TIME TO TIME AND ALL HIS NON SENSE HAS BEEN REFUTED BY MAPOLLO,MYSELF AND DOZENS OF OTHERS HES JUST A COURTJESTER .DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT HIS PAST JUST LOOK UP HIS NAME IN BOARDTRACKERDOTCOM...HE IS NO POSITION TO SPEAK OF MORALITY WHERE BY SOME ODD WAY WHICH HE VEHEMENTLY DENIES THE SAME NAME APPEARS AS SURFING FOR PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL
Gatta9 1 year ago
I want to see the same film about Israels bloody hand print today!
I love the showmanship.
AldoDio 1 year ago
For anyone reading this - the bible verse that sums up what the Vatican is doing is Ezekiel 8:16. It's called redirected worship.
kedmonton 1 year ago
I still don't understand why it is said the Roman Empire fell. Its laws merged with the Catholic Cannon and still rules over the minds and lives of BILLIONS of Catholics. Our Capitol as well as most of the "Western" capitols copy Roman buildings and are donned with Latin enscriptions. Their Jesuit Order has been ejected from over 80 countries for enciting war. I could go on and on. I'm very glad to see some recognize a Roman psyche-job when they see it!
jamescs1969 1 year ago
yezidism07 this video is nothin more than just senseless ramblings of a lunatic, you'd make loughner very proud
zsom1987 1 year ago
I HATE PIMA COUNTY IN TUCSON AZ THEY KILLED MY DOG SUKI #297007 ON 1/5/2011
pimakilledsuki 1 year ago
@nasticanasta - If I am way off base, then you are not even in the ball park. PAX
Snotra 1 year ago
@Snotra YES NASTICANASTA IS AT IT AGAIN I COME TO VISIT HIM FROM TIME TO TIME AND ALL HIS NON SENSE HAS BEEN REFUTED BY MAPOLLO,MYSELF AND DOZENS OF OTHERS HES JUST A COURTJESTER .DID HE TELL YOU ABOUT HIS PAST JUST LOOK UP HIS NAME IN BOARDTRACKERDOTCOM...HE IS NO POSITION TO SPEAK OF MORALITY WHERE BY SOME ODD WAY WHICH HE VEHEMENTLY DENIES THE SAME NAME APPEARS AS SURFING FOR PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL
Gatta9 1 year ago
@nasticanasta - "Rid the whole world of a race"? Show me direct, or indirect quotes from Nietzsche and or Darwin saying this? I will show you a direct quote from Luther some three hundred years before your examples. Persecuting and destroying the Jewish race can be found in many of his quotes, heres one of many... " We are at fault in not slaying them. Rather we allow them to live freely in our midst despite an their murdering, cursing, blaspheming, lying, and defaming" etc.." :Martin Luther
Snotra 1 year ago
@Snotra Hitler did you dope you can't even read.....and as for coming to visit me from time to time.. Ive only talked to you several times... why do you insist on embellishing every statement....regardless I do not follow Luther.. no Protestant "follows" Luther...Luther still had some stupid Ideas he was still a pre-trib..so he ain't my leader... go find another blog to post ridiculous statements on... lol whatta dope.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
You can thank Martin Luther's writings and beliefs in influencing the 3rd reich.
Snotra 1 year ago
@Snotra
Hitler himself said: "... I learned a lot from the training by the Jesuits until now there has never been a great thing, where on earth than the hierarchical organization of the Roman Catholic Church. I transferred much of this organization in my own party, also in regard to the Jews.
jeshualivesforever 1 year ago
In regard to the Jews, I only continue the same policy that the Roman Catholic Church came to in 1500 years ... judged by Jews in ghettos as dangerous and violated, etc. ... because they knew how the Jews had always been really ... "(The Nazi Persecution of the Churches by Conway, pgs. 25, 26)
jeshualivesforever 1 year ago
@Snotra
Dont forget that the Lutheran Church in Germany was splitted in two parts. The "Bekennende Kirche" and "Deutsche Kirche". The evangelic "Bekennende Kirche" was going into opposition to Nazi-Germany and many members were getting killed by Nazis because of their Faith. Some examples:
Dietrich Bonhoeffer: "Christianity is not compatible with racism"
jeshualivesforever 1 year ago
Hans Bernd von Haeften: "If the Christian people are packed so as now the insanity of political
demons, it must sound the pastoral voice of the church and also publicly
testify before the world .... " "Hitler is the executor of evil in history"
and many more were getting killed because of their true evangelical Christian Faith by Nazis.
jeshualivesforever 1 year ago
@jeshualivesforever you're so mistaken, Luther still considered himself a catholic....he attacked the leaders, not the religion. I do not consider evangelicals as true Christians. Before you start pointing fingers we must first find out the beliefs of these so-called Christians, and see if they match up with scripture, if not they were just heretical fundamentalists.
nasticanasta 1 year ago
@nasticanasta
"Luther still considered himself a catholic"
No, he wrote "On Jews and Their Lies" late in his life in 1543. He had already gone to the Marburg Colloquy for emerging Protestant states by 1529 and took part in Protestant activities ever since.
afeeder 11 months ago
@afeeder Ya you should read the posts from catholics here damming the Jewish race.... Again I am no Lutheran, Luther may have had some good points but there were "reformists" hundrends of years before Luther, The Waldensians go back almost the the 1st century...Luther made some of his claims public, those ideas were older than the word "catholic". What you assume with no proof is that the first Christians believed catholic doctrine back. incredibly false.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
Though there were plenty of "heretical" groups in the past, most of them died out.
"The Waldensians go back almost the the 1st century"
That is basically your personal religious view, even plenty of modern Waldensians say they started with Peter Valdo, much less mainstream historians.
My point was that Luther didn't consider himself Roman Catholic by the time he wrote works like "On Jews and their Lies" as he had started participating in Protestant activities long before then.
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nasticanasta 11 months ago
@afeeder regardless there is plenty of evidence for reformists way back to the 1st century.. you just never did enough research on it, MY POINT IS, I am not a Lutheran..he is nor ever was MY leader, My Leader is GOD. You can cry all you want about who did what and when but at the end of the day Luther is just some guy with some ideas a long time ago. I don't care about him he still had a pre-trib viewpoint..which meant he still had learning to do.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@afeeder Me? I just wonder how all you catholics can call yourself followers of God and be bigots and wish Jews dead. And if Luther hated Jews well then he is damned to hell... Bible says in the OT"I will curse those who curse my people" ...again I do not care about Luther...you people think this is some God to me..he isn't. there is only one between me and God it's Jesus. Whom I might add is the same person.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@afeeder the waldensians were just one of many "pre-reformists" And who cares what Luther says.. I am no Luteran...He did not start his own religious sect that happened after he died. And when Luther put his ideas on that bulltetin board he was still a catholic...still considered himself a good catholic.. do some reading. I noticed how you changed what I said to fit your comment. Wwhen he wrote his reformist ideas, he was still a catholic. That's all I said and I am right.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
"I noticed how you changed what I said to fit your comment. Wwhen he wrote his reformist ideas, he was still a catholic. That's all I said and I am right."
From the very beginning I said that when he wrote his antisemitic book he was not Catholic and didn't claim to be, I wasn't talking about his 95 theses which was decades before. And they did split off long before he died: they called themselves Evangelicals (though Catholics called them Lutherans.)
afeeder 11 months ago
@afeeder don't care what you first wrote here.. but your first comment to me did not mention any of this, I never spoke of this, I clearly stated what I said, and it was about when he posted his ideas on a church bulletin board, that he still considered himself a catholic...final. Regardless, Luther is not my leader and never was. On the contrary, you do have leadership that is highly suspect and questionable in morality. in other words, shut the fuck up, dumbass.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@afeeder lol all you did was solidify the fact there were "reformists" before Luther....thank you.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@afeeder Also pointing out traditions of Jews as lies is not anti-semitism..it's pointing out false teachings...
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
I meant with true evangelical Christian-Faith: antifascist-, non-hate-, non-violent-, jew-loving religion of Love.
jeshualivesforever 10 months ago
@jeshualivesforever "splitted"? this isn't even a word!
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@Snotra it's not Luther you should thank, (you're way off base here) it's Nietzsche & Darwin you should thank here. Show the quote of Luther wanting to rid the world of a whole race...
nasticanasta 1 year ago
@Snotra you need to look at this video again.. and see who is having agrande time with Nazi's... it's a bunch of catholics! You can thank catholics for helping the Nazi's try and eradicate the Jewish race, that is for sure. Be sure and check all Gatta's posts of hatred towards certain races he feels shouldn't be allowed to exist. You are no different snot-ra.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
"you need to look at this video again"
Lol, you are using some amateur propaganda video as a source. You trust these atheists? Think again. This has already been debunked here:
0-0:44 random German soldiers taking the oath and then a picture of some cross that has nothing to do with the Nazis
0:45 Gott mit uns, a motto from PROTESTANT Prussia, used by Gustavus Adolphu when FIGHTING CATHOLICS
afeeder 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
ihaveadesk:
0:47, 0:49, 1:00, 1:52, etc. Schlageter was Catholic, but he died in 1923, and was obviously never a Nazi. The Nazis appropriated his story because he was a war hero for the Germans after their defeat.
1:02 German Luther's Day badge. A festival to celebrate MARTIN LUTHER!
2:01, 2:03 Ludwig Muller, head of the German PROTESTANT Church
2:05, 2:07, 2:09 Reich PROTESTANTS
0:55 Alois Hitler was a freethinker
afeeder 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
ihvdsk:
0:53 The Nationalsozialistiche Frauenansichten was just the Nazi's womens league. It was mostly Protestestant and had nothing to do with the Catholic Church.
2:13 More of the Protestant Reich Church
2:17 Bishop Bertram, another outspoken anti-Nazi
2:21 Hitler outlawed Catholic youth organizations and made them join the HJ in violation of the Concordat
1:35 Der Sturmer, a Nazi newspaper. Owner specifically said he was against the Jews as a race, not a religion
afeeder 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
ihvdsk:
2:16, Cardinal von Faulhaber, "As representatives of the Bavarian Jewish synagogues, we will never forget how you, honourable Mister Cardinal, in the years after 1933, with unseen courage, have defended the ethics of the Old Testament from your pulpits, and how you saved thousands of Jewish persons from terror and lethal violence."
1:38 -- 1:43 Protestant Reich Church
1:07, 1:45 German Mother medal, a state award, nothing to do with Catholicism
afeeder 11 months ago
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@nasticanasta
ihavdsk
1:11, 1:14 German War Graves Commission, a commission in charge of burying the war dead. again, nothing to do with the Vatican
1:59, 2:21, 2:23, 2:26 German Christian (DC), they were Protestants
2:37 Hitler leaving Marine Church in Wilhelmshaven, a Protestant Church
2:24 Hitler greeting Protestant Ludwig Muller standing next to Abbott Schachleitner, who was suspended by the Catholic Church when he tried to publish a pro-Nazi article.
2:45 ???
afeeder 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
ihvdsk:
2:48 Ludwig Muller again, leader of the German PROTESTANT church
3:09 Ludwig Muller being promoted to Reichsbishop, again a PROTESTANT
3:13 Kristalnacht, which was condemned by von Faulhaber (2:16), in response a Nazi mob broke his windows. You can't have it both ways
3:37 Mussolini was an atheist...
so anyway very little of the video is actually about Catholics. This is just propaganda intended for sheep, who won't even question whether these people are Catholic
afeeder 11 months ago
@afeeder all we need is one photo.. and in your own words very little means "some" that's all I need...how many times do you need to see evil before you consider it evil? Apparently if your a catholic you get special "reprieves" to do "some evil" ...please inform us how much is too much.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@afeeder so your saying these pictures of Nazis and priests is fake?..lol the chirstmas pictures ...everything is fake? This hasn't been debunked otherwise no one would have anything more to say here... what a pack of lies I do not trust an ORGANIZATION which is the catholics mind you the definition of a cult is any ORGANIZATION or religious sect with a central leader. You need to stop denying actula photos of Nazis and priests and popes with them..hanging out and having fun.. smiling!
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
".everything is fake? This hasn't been debunked otherwise no one would have anything more to say here"
Lol, WHAT??? are you new to the internet??? Go to a moon landing hoax or elder protocols of zion page and you can see debunking doesn't matter at all, for sheep. They believe it anyway.
"so your saying these pictures of Nazis and priests is fake?"
No, did you read what I wrote? I am saying most of the pictures are of Protestants.
afeeder 11 months ago
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afeeder 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
And some of the actual Catholic priests in the photos, as I mentioned, were recognized for their work in helping Jews.
For example:
2:14 is Cardinal von Faulhaber, "As representatives of the Bavarian Jewish synagogues, we will never forget how you, honourable Mister Cardinal, in the years after 1933, with unseen courage, have defended the ethics of the Old Testament from your pulpits, and how you saved thousands of Jewish persons from terror and lethal violence."
afeeder 11 months ago
@afeeder ya some.. but not all... I see how you choose words to help disguise the truth... some isn't all 2 different words... anyone regardless of who they are associated with in these pictures helped evil... I don't give a shit what religion they were or ORGANIZATION they were... get it? but clearly there are Nazis and catholics laughing together and eating together the Christmas pictures are the ones that really show this.. all you could do was say, "others did too", I call them all evil.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@afeeder i do what you could never do...I say each and every single person involved in these pictures is evil, every ORGANIZATION & every man is evil here and must account for this. you make excuses such as, "others did this too" fact is the rcc is an ORGANIZATION with a central leadership. there is no central leader for True Protestants (post-trib). Again you can't link me to any of these people, but I can link the rcc to it..and their continued denial of their past as you are doing right here.
nasticanasta 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
"every single person involved in these pictures is evil"
Even the RC priests who saved Jews? It is better for more Jews to die than to appear in these pictures?
'you make excuses such as, "others did this too" others did this too"'
You misquoted me. What I actually said was 1. most people in this video aren't Catholic and 2. of those who were Catholic in the video, not all were bad. Apparently you think you know more about the Holocaust than 1940s Bavarian Jews, yeah right
afeeder 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
"but I can link the rcc to it"
Actually, while there were some very bad Catholic priests, and that is terrible, the fact of the matter is these "brown priests" who supported the Nazis often had a turbulent relationship with their church superiors, especially if they made their views public (Abbott Schachleiter, the most famous, who is standing next to Muller at 2:24, was suspended from ecclesiastical duties for anti-Jewish and died in 1936, stripped of all religious authority)
afeeder 11 months ago
@nasticanasta
continued:
to quote historian Michael Burleigh, "Only a handful of priests supported Nazism, mostly malcontents or naifs, like Abbot Schachleiter"
"clearly there are Nazis and catholics laughing together and eating together the Christmas pictures are the ones that really show this"
What are you talking about? Are you claiming you call tell people's religion by looking at them, or is this just your fantasy?
And RCs were much less likely to support or vote for Nazis than Prot.
afeeder 11 months ago