@shadowofears As per usual.. just more empty slogans, which you couldn't even write using proper grammar.
The truth is simple: You have no facts, no evidence to counteract anything I said. You only have 50 year old slogans of hate by Arab leaders and extremist groups. The same people who massacred their own populations and blamed Israel to cover up their crimes, are the people who made up the phrases you quote.
@shadowofears then you should hate the terror groups, Whether Hamas, Hezbollah or others, who hide behind civilians, use schools as weapons storage, make and launch rockets out of civilian buildings in order to make sure that if Israel hits back, it kills as many as possible.
This is the lowest form of humanity.
If you cannot see it, then you are defending terrorists, war criminals, human rights abusers, people who only wish to destroy.
Covering it up by blaming the other side is pathetic.
@rulllar Hamas was created on 1979 but you were killing civilans from 1948 sorry human sheild propaganda doesnt work on me.I can show u videos where IDF were using childrens as human sheild.
@shadowofears Jews were being murdered long b4 1948. Jews throughout the middle east were massacred without cause. The Palestinian massacres of Jews were always vicious and bloodletting, unlike Israeli acts which were usually a tragic response (eg a grenade thrown in to a house with gunmen firing on Israelis, yet later its found 10 civilians hid there). Palestinians groups main tactic is human shields. Finding 2-3 examples of Israeli soldiers who acted out of order is not the same at all.
@rulllar Lies,Lies,Lies The bigger the lie the more likely to be believed..Search urself on very youtube 12 year old girls used as humanshield by cowards IDF.
@shadowofears Palestinians use human shields as a tactic, civilians as their targets... to you that's the same as thing as 10? 30 ? 50 Israeli soldiers out of over 100,000 who may have broken the rules and mistreated people? There are bad apples in good places? SHOCKING! Compare it to Syria, Libya, Hamas hanging Palestinians off buildings, killing any who oppose them.
Palestinians tactics are horrifying, Israel's problem is bad apples, not tactics! To say it's identical is beyond ignorant.
@rulllar Humanshield propaganda doesnt work on me?Let suppose if Hamas people hijack a jewish school bus would you bomb the bus in order to kill them or take every precision to save Jewish lives.. IDF is the most cruel force on Face of Earth..They hv history of killing civilians..Qana Massacre,AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
What stories has Israel made up? All the evidence has come from a variety of sources. If anything Israel has been extremely quiet on Iran except in it's disagreement with the outdated US assessment... yet it seems that even when silent people (for example you) choose to slander it and label it without any evidence.. like a knee jerk reaction. Don't like something you heard about a vile dictatorship? Just attack Israel.
(cont) It was only hours ago that the Iranian leader expressed his view that Israel will soon be destroyed as it is collapsing (I got that from Iranian press TV in case you are interested).
WITHIN HOURS you appear to say that Israel is making up the stories - without quantifying it with any logic or evidence.
Do you guys work on command like leash dogs? The Iranian leaders call for Israel's destruction and you guys come out and attack Israel?
Um 9/11 was used as an example, didn't expect to explain that to you. Whats your problem is you only care about what has happened period! You don't take in the evidence. You are so biased it is unbelievable, You are so PRO Israel! Yes I did make the claim of Ariel Sharon, do I have the video, no I don't, I don't even know if there is a video. The fact that you also consider what happened on 9/11 is crazy conspiracies also show how narrow minded you are. I bid you farewell
You 40 minutes ago: "Did you even watch the vid about Israelis leaders such as Ariel sharon saying "I want to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian woman is a slave to the Jews".
After being challenged, you wrote 13 minutes ago "Yes I did make the claim of Ariel Sharon, do I have the video, no I don't, I don't even know if there is a video."
then you run off.
No facts, no logic, complete contradictions. You lie, you deceive, then you run off. Typical.
Actually I said "1929 Hebron Massacre you mentioned was Zionist propaganda" please read it properly. It means I never refuted the fact it happened, just like the Holocaust it is constantly used as Propaganda in favor of some sort of sympathy for the Jews. Yes I know you like facts, just like the planes hit 9/11 is a fact, but when you dig deep into it you will find out why it happened and who orchestrated it and that's whats important.
blah... you have been spreading lies and falsehoods all the time. Saying "subject x is used as propaganda" is NOT the same as saying "subject x is propaganda". Don't play linguistics games. One is saying that a subject is used as an excuse, the other is saying it is a lie.
This topic is not about 9/11. Lets stay away from your crazy conspiracy theories. Back to the facts: You made a slanderous claim about Sharon saying there's a vid of him promoting rape. Show me or withdraw the slander!
Show me where Ariel Sharon said this. I want a video of him saying this. Show me Ariel Sharon saying he wants soldiers to rape anyone. You have made the claim, your reputation is now at stake. Show it before you make any further claims!
Type this in You tube '80 years of Hebron massacre, a Zionist propaganda'. It has a statement by a Rabbi who was studying in Hebron during the 1929 massacre. He stated that although the event happened, if you look into the root cause of it, it leads to the Zionists. He states that by urging the Arabs to attack the Jews & promoting the fact that Arabs have an natural hate for the Jews, it would give them a reason to create the Israel state! Does this not make sense?
1. You said it's a zionist lie and now you are saying it happened, sloppy shoddy historical narrative!
2. Where is the historical evidence for your point? What you are providing is nonsense! You should watch my Nuteri Karta video (which covers this topic) to get some idea of how silly the "orthodox" (it's actually ultra orthodox the ones you mean) Rabbis are when they make the claims you claim they are making.
I have replied many comments before this also, read them all
What I want to know is why you are so PRO-Israel? Are you from Israel? Are you Jewish? Why does everyone's comments against Israel or Jews have to be lies? Are you saying that Jews or Israel have never ever committed a crime? I personally think Ahmadinejad is a great man who has been portrayed as some sort of terrorist. He speaks the truth about the Zionists regime! Watch this vid to see what Israel has to say about the Arabs/Palestinians.
Now on to your last point: What do you care where I'm from? Would my analysis be "disqualified" if I am from Israel or am Jewish? Would historical facts recorded by all sides change as a result?
Ahmadinejad denies the holocaust, calls for the destruction of a UN member state and is in breach of the NPT in building secret nuclear facilities. His reelection caused the death of many and the injuries to countless. He even made Irans inflation jump to the highest world levels.
Zionist was not formed from any Arab Massacre, It was formed by western minded people who have never lived under an Islamic state and only knew of a history of persecution in europe! Even the Rothschilds who now own the Bank of England had to work in the shadows as Jews were not seen as equals in the west.
The Rothchilds own the bank of England? Actually the Bank of England is an independent branch of the British Government. Not only are you engaged in bizzare nonfactual nonanalitical arguments but rather you seem to pluck random things and conspiracies from the air and state them as facts, while simply calling proven historical facts 'zionist propaganda'. This is a bizarre way to hold a conversation.
coming back to your earlier point, a few weeks ago an Iraqi Jew showed me the yellow star of David he was forced to wear while in Iraq in 50s, and explained how it became legally required for Jews to tell non-Jews that the shop is a Jewish shop, and that they are Jews. To show their Jewish ID and wear the yellow star, just like the Nazis did.
But of course, the problem you must see there is zionism not the disgraceful Arab mistreatment of their minorities whether Jews, Kurds, copts or others.
Most Orthodox Jews would agree that they lived their most happiest times under Islamic rule where their communities thrived for hundreds if not thousands of years! That all came to an end when the Zionist state was formed saying
they formed it to stop jews from being mistreated in Arab countries.
Thats when jews started to suddenly get mistreated set up by the west so that there would be a arab-jew conflict.
Really? Which Jews are these? Most Orthodox Jews would probably say the best time was during the eras of the temples, the eras they want to bring back.
Furthermore, I'm sure when you bring up the massacres within the Islamic empires over the centuries, these same orthodox will not be so forthcoming. Lastly, it is the orthodox who are building the settlements, not secular Jews. So if the orthodox love living under Arab rule why didn't they just move in under them? Where's a shred of evidence?
Ok... I'll start by order of historical importance:
The Palestinians who fled were generally recorded at far less (closer to 600,000, some estimates as low as 400,000). There is no one agreed stat. Secondly, all historical evidence points to them fleeing for the most part, with only some instances of being forced out. You saying that they were all forced out, against the statements of Palestinians and Arab leaders, historians, recorded documents and British witnesses is lazy history by you.
Secondly, why go to 1938? 1946? DECADES after the 1929 massacre (which was a massacre, but far from the first murders). We can also reflect on the 1936 Jerusalem massacre by Arabs, not to mention one in Baghdad (coincidence I'm sure) the same year against Jews. Why skip decades to counter a point? By the 30s the Arabs were in full swing in attacking Jews... you cannot snip out the context and then make a counter case snipping out events decades apart. This is very shoddy historical analysis.
Ok I have had trouble posting a response to your argument. OK the 1929 Hebron Massacre you mentioned was Zionist propaganda! you can watch any vid on You tube for the facts. The fact is people don't just wake up one day & say lets kill some Jews. Someone must have initiated it.
The 1929 Hebron massacre was ZIONIST PROPAGANDA? I'm not even sure how to reply to such an unbelievably nonsensical statement.
In that case why don't we just say that no Arab has ever lived in Israel in the past 2,000 years and therefore any claim they make is just arab propaganda? You can't start making statements that are just nonsense and then expect someone to reply.
The Hebron massacre is recorded by the British, Arabs, Jews who are anti-zionist and Zionists. How can you just ignore it?
So Israel invade Palestine and forcefully terrorize the Palestinian people out of their homes to rid the land for themselves. Then after they have occupied it they send out peace offerings to neighbouring countries and you think they are going to just welcome them with open arms? Is this a joke? Israel is Terrorism at its worst! Ahmadinejad is free speaking, and speaks the truth that's why he has been badly portrayed so badly on US 'Zionist' TV! I am from UK & even I know the truth!
You know the truth? Do you know the truth about the attempted Arab ethnic cleansing of Jews during the Nazi Era? Before Israel was created? Not just in Palestine under the religious mufti, hitlers friend, but also in Iraq where they forced Jews to walk around with yellow IDs that they had to, by law, show to anyone they deal with to let him know they are Jews.
Do you know about the 1929 Hebron massacre where non-zionist Jews who believed in coexistence were massacred?
Do you know about the 1919 Pan Arab-Zionist agreement where the Arabs agreed to create a national Jewish homeland in the land? What about that agreement? What about Faisals warning to the Arabs, that their thug gangs who attack Jews in mandate Palestine will create a big rift between the old cousins? Do you know about any of this? What about "We'll throw the Jews in to the sea?" Did that not cause any of the problems? What about the 1936 massacre in both mandate Palestine and Iraq?
Did you learn about all this in your classes in the UK? No.
What truth do you know? The story you represented is like a pop-up book version! Simple, filled with misrepresentations and lies. Very nice story, but it's got nothing to do with the truth. The truth is that the Zionists did not even decide on a state until after the Arab massacres when it became clear the Arabs planned to kill them all !
Jews were massacred on Arab lands EVERY TIME their population was no longer insignificant!
P.S. how could Israel invade Palestine? Israel was not even a sovereign nation at the time, Israel was BORN out of British mandate Palestine, how can a nation, whose entire population is actually a local population, be an invading nation? That makes no sense! Israel was created by nearly 40 percent of people who were called mandate era Palestinians!
Now... keeping all that in mind... perhaps you should re-explain what you mean by 'truth' and what you mean your entire point, since it was lies.
The transcript of Ahmadinejad's speech ref; " wiping Israel from the face of the earth " was in fact very different. What he actually said was " the page should be turned on the regime in Israel " The Zionist - inclined media got hold of this and distorted it for their own ends. Much like the Zionists claim that Iraq had wmd's.Look what happenned there with disastrous consequences!! Incidentally I don't support Ahmadinejad BUT neither do I support world Zionism, equally dangerous for all .
Did you watch my original video on this issue? ahmad", repeating conspiracy theories about zionist-media does not raise much confidence in your point.
Nevertheless, Ahmadinejad has been recorded chanting "death to Israel". The videos are available online. Furthermore your translation was wrong, he never even said the word Israel, the whole argument is that he meant Israel with what he said, which was now demonstrated when he said the says "zionist regime" when he means Israel, not a government
At the end of the day, it's one thing to say you disagree with a nation, and another to hate the race that composes the citizenry of that state. I think it says a lot that we can even define this nation with one race, and I think that is what Ahmadinejad is fundamentally opposed to. In that light, chanting "death to Israel" or calling for Israel to be wiped off the map is not an attack on a race or a citizenry, but an attack on racism and exclusivity.
There was no Palestinian state. Even in the 70s many PLO leaders were calling for liberating the land as 'Palestinian' simply for international purposes with the intent to unite it with Jordan. Even so, they lost the land because they launched a war against Israel in 67, which began with the Jordanian/Palestinian bombardment of Jerusalem.
After they were offered the land back AFTER Israel's victory, the Arab league responded with: (cont)
You are welcome to review all this, it was the Khartoum resolution.
There is a process, going on for DECADES, of Israel making offers of peace and withdrawal, even right after victorious wars, (which with few exceptions NEVER happens in history) that have been rejected without even discussion by the Arab side.
This is not even taking in to account that every time Israel gave land more Israelis died
checkpoints and isolation always remained, harassment and separatism (today israeli soldiers fire on farmers in gaza). you're saying, "to late, they missed their chance" ... meanwhile cultural genocide continues, Palestinians are being forced to flee villages, abandon farms, stop fishng -- a way of life is being destroyed. Never too late to stop violence
lets just both be on the side of a long-term peace and an end to the bombs and attacks
My friend, you are discussing incorrect facts and reaching false conclusions.
If Israel FULLY leaves Gaza, that means NOTHING Israeli left whatsoever, how can there be checkpoints?
I also never stated they missed their chance. I state that they seem to purposely mess up any chance they are offered. And messing up is not simply a term for 'refusal' of an offer, it's a term to mean they launch attacks on people as a response to peace offers since they see death as an effective negotiating tool.
Who is 'reacting' depends on how far back you want to go ... can israel do no wrong? you are parroting too my friend. Do you really think only one side wants peace?
If you think I said Israel can do no wrong, please show me where.
Yes. Based on all available evidence that I've seen, the Arab world, and certainly Iran, are keen on Israel's destruction/damage and the Palestinians are grudgingly moving towards peace moves as an alternative means of advancing their goals, not as an ideological belief in peace. It's also proven history that Israel has shown great willingness for peace and has ALREADY withdrawn from 95% of the territories gained in 1967.
one side has more to lose and has caused more destruction ... the other nothing to lose and desire to cause more destruction. It is he with the upper-hand who must yield first. only trust can combat fear.
This is a metaphor not rooted in the reality of the conflict. Israel, as I mentioned, has withdrawn from 95% of the land it is accused of occupying since 1967. But you must remember that until 1994, Israel ran all the west bank and Gaza Palestinians. There were virtually never any Israelis killed (with few exceptions). Since 1994, Israel has completely left Gaza and 99% of West Bank Palestinians live under self-rule, yet on the other side Israel has been hit by over 100s of suicide bombers.
The Palestinians have nothing to lose is also an untrue perception that has been widely circulated. Since 2005 Israel completely withdrew from Gaza. At that time Israel left specialized farms (very efficient by any world standard), and the Gaza ports were mostly open. But instead of use the opportunity to prove peaceful intentions and build a state, the Palestinians spent the money building rockets to launch at Israel. No occupation, sword was down, yet they continue to attack Israeli civilians.
Furthermore my friend, you will note that on this particular video, which discusses Iran, we see the nature of the regime in question. Until the Iranian revolution, Israel and Iran faced many problems with Arab nations for different reasons and so, albeit at a reasonably low level, cooperated and helped each other, even though Iran occasionally launched verbal attacks on Israel.
Since the revolution it has become a pillar of Iran to seek the destruction of Israel. No conflict, just hate.
For religious beliefs or so on, but if i believe that i have a holy ground , for example, in Spain, that doesn't mean that i should occupy Spain to get my religious ground.
come on bro everyone knows that israel is an illegal country. even the eu dont want them in europe thats why they throw the jews to jerusalem. go watch THE ARRIVALS if u want to know the real agenda of these ppl.
I am with Iran's opinion about Israel, which i will comment on later, but im sure he will not come and attack my opinion. Why don't we all talk and exchange respected opinions. Respect urself by respectin each other.
About Iran and it's attacks on Israel, Israel has been around since 1948 and they have had wars with the neighboring countries. Despite if they have done bad things or not, they actually reside in a country that is Palestine. Why are they there? I ask myself.
Why are you with "Irans" opinion? This is no opinion, it's death. They train, arm and fund Hezbollah, Hamas. Both launched attacks on Israel ('coincidentally' exactly as international attention heated up on Iran) and their people suffered greatly as a result. We now also know Iran set up terror units in many countries, not to mention was involved in attacking Argentina. This is not a matter of discussion, it's a matter of proven Iranian intent and willingness to commit large-scale destruction.
this is an excuse to take over their country and dont give them right to vote and be a citizen, at least citizen of israel.
why? because they are more than 6 million palestinian and if they come back and be able to vote, they gana be the majority and no more zionist , no more racist policy, no more power.....
an excuse to take over their country? Israel was declared out of an area known as Palestine. Where is there ANY historical evidence there was a country? There is none! Even Palestinian leaders, when giving evidence to British investigators in the 20s and 30s saw the land as part of the Arab lands. There was basically no reference to any distinction between someone from Amman and someone from Palestine, so there you are already making facts up that are simply untrue.
But they did not listen. Local Arabs started to attack Jewish farmers, to attack Jewish students. They burnt farms, stabbed farmers, committed several massacres, all this DECADES before Israel was created.
So, as you can imagine, the Jews started to train men to defend the farms, the trucks. As things got worse, those men became better trained and eventually, when there was a civil war where Arabs tried to WIPE OUT all the Jews, they lost.
This is why we are here today, not because of voting!
You should remember my friend, that many East Jerusalem Arabs have REJECTED their option to vote. Furthermore, Israel HAS NOT annexed the West Bank, so it does not owe those people any right to vote. It recognizes Israeli-Arab villages as Israeli, so those Arabs can vote. But it doesn't recognize Palestinian villages as Israeli, so they do not! That land too, was only taken after Jordanians and Palestinians bombed Jerusalem in 1967. They hit schools, injured, disabled. So Israel reacted!
THERE WAS NO COUNTRY. There was no "Palestine". Palestine was about as much of a country as the swiss alps are a country. If Palestine was a country, who was the king/prime minister? What was their national anthem? They had none because there was no country.
And changing a name does not mean pushing Arabs anywhere. If Arabs left because they were so offended, then that is their problem. You are claiming because there was a name change that everything changed.
Israel Gave back the Sinai desert (91% of the land taken in 67). It left ALL of Lebanon Hezbollah only says Sheba is part of Lebanon to continue to attack Israel, not because it is true.
Israel WAS leaving Gaza and West bank UNTIL the suicide bombers. for 30 years they ran the west bank and gaza and hardly any Israelis died. Only 10 years since they started leaving 1000 Israelis were killed, so they stopped. It's only common sense! The more land Israel left, the more Israelis were murdered.
Israel today is the strongest nation in the middle east. I think it's COMPLETELY for peace, you say the opposite. You say it kicked out all the Arabs. If that lie is true, then why are there 1.4m Arabs (20% of Israelis) in Israel today? Today there are there, they have Arab professors, mayors, members of parliament, lawyers, everything! Why would such a strong country leave them and educate them if the plan was to kick them out?
my friend i dont deffend any body, im just saying.
I saw some jew was talking about syria and jordan and a part of iraq and egypt , and he was saying that those countries shouldnt exist, and also I saw a documentry movies that israeli education section was barin washing their children that this is your land and we will get it back!!!
or israel flag means, land between 2 river, Nile in egypt and Foraat in Iraq.
No, The Israeli flag does not mean that. This is a lie told to promote hatred of Israel. The flag is derived from a Jewish prayer Shawl, not the rivers! Furthermore, whether or not some "Jew" said anything about Iraq and Syria is not important. These points have nothing to do with Israels view.
Also, I don't know what documentary you saw, but the Israeli system promotes coexistence. It is the Palestinian system that says bad things about Jews. So it's completely the opposite of what you say.
To all readers, those supporting Iran and those opposing it, it's wrong to attack each other with words and insult each others opinions. Those who place stupid comments from either side should have evidence and a clear explanation of whta they say. Don't just say fuck Iran or fuck the Israel and leave, you contaminate the guy's video and his efforts and he has not really attacked Iran verbally or in an ignorant matter.
never been there? so are all the historic findings Jewish artifacts. It's amazing how people think they are making an intelligent point by saying some of the most ignorant things ever heard. Things that can be proven to be nonsense within seconds, yet you have no shame in showing how much you know nothing at all. It's an impressive quality, how you don't seem to care at all for truth and facts when you write.
what are you talking about? Your point is irrelevant. What is relevant? Why are we where we are today. That is relevant. We who studied the topic remember when Faisal, the man who led the Arabs against the Turks, whom the Arabs later made king of Iraq and King of Syria (before the European countries dethrowned him), WARNED the Arabs not to be jelous of their Jewish brothers (who were succeeding in building up a people in the land). He warned the Arabs not to fall for the lies of local leaders.
We know he wants the destruction of Israel. So what? We all support him, international law supports the destruction of Israel. Israel is an illegal state.
How can international law, which are rules based on the UN, support the destruction of Israel when Israel is a UN member and the UN charter rejects any attempts to wipe out other members? Your version of international law is whatever you want it to be. Try to understand that international law is something agreed upon and followed. Your phrases show how little you understand it, so using it, in a completely wrong manner, is outright illogical.
You have got it all wrong the last time Iran invaded another country is 250 years ago.
How many wars has Israel started in in its short existence. As a ruIe Iranians never start wars but anyone foolish enough to start a war lives to regret it as Saddam Hussein found out.
Ahmadinejad is not in charge of foreign policy or the nuclear programme he is a buffon and contemptible I agree. The real people in charge of Iran are very sane people.
82 - Lebanese Arabs repeatedly attack Israel over a long period in a protracted conflict. Along with several international acts of terrorism, Israel responds by attacking the PLO heart which was in Lebanon.
91 - Iraq attacks Israel to gain Arab support against US.
2000 - Palestinians walk out of peace talks and within a few short months begin a campaign of suicide bombers.
2005 - Israel leaves Gaza, yet contrary to promises, rocket attacks on Israel intensify MASSIVELY and gain deeper range.
2006 - Israeli soldier kidnapped through a tunnel from a Gaza that was suppose to be completely pacified once "occupation" ended, yet in reality only increased the terror attacks an unbelievable amount much deeper in to Israel. Israel responds by launching an operation on Gaza.
Same year Hezbollah invades Israeli sovereignty, kidnaps troops, kills others. Israel responds with Lebanon war.
Show me the 'how many wars Israel started' (by which you meant many)... show me them.
Also.. what are you a kid? Iran has not invaded another country for 250 years? What is that suppose to mean? They planned a number of worldwide terror attacks including the attack on the Jewish cultural center in Buenos Aires! They set up proxy armies to fight with wars such as hezbollah! They clearly attack other nations through these proxies! And frankly so what? So because for a period no Iranian leader did something, doesn't mean they won't today! Your claim is illogical !
and this numbnut cannot help but desperatly take every oportunity going to try and associate violence with arabs....I believe the BNP do the same thing to jews and when they do it we call it "HATE MONGERING". when jews do it its never "hate mongering" of course...LOL
Jews? hehe, I thought you hate zionists... funny how that word intertwines so often in the vocabulary of the anti-israeli (or should I say anti-jew considering your comment).
Hey..numbnuts..why don't you make your case this way:
Take the transcript, post it and do a LITERAL TRANSLATION of the message. I knwo why you won't do it...because it will prove you wrong. At no time did he call for Irsael to be "wiped off the map!" NO..NEVER..DID NOT HAPPEN...BTW, if you disagree..let Israel go to war and have THEIR OWN MILITARY STRIKE IRAN..leave the USn out of it. We don't want to fight your wars anymore..FUCKHEAD
1) I said he called for Israel's destruction. I SPECIFICALLY POINTED OUT IN MY FIRST VIDEO about the foolish accusation you guys keep making that he was misinterpreted. Maybe you should watch how clearly I dicussed it before bringing it up as if it's 'new'.
2) The threat isn't just against Israel! Is Iran building missiles that reach central europe to reach Israel 'numbnuts'? Eventually they'll reach the US. So it's a WORLD WIDE THREAT! Don't be SO SHORT SIGHTED!
Iran hasn't even threatened the arab world, yet the arab world is in a state of panic. They claim Israel is the enemy, but within 2 years of Iran being caught having SECRET HIDDEN nuclear facilities (including diagrams of how to make a nuclear bomb), quite a few arab nations also declared they want to start programs. Talk about a massive uncontrollable arms race...
but for you thats just not a concern is it? It's just Israel's problem to you? Personally I think thats a bizzare point of view.
one thing american people dont want there children to fight for a other country war let isreal fight iran them self you all die for your country isreal is not the 51st state of the usa so if you want war with iran go it alone cause i no iran will fight back hard
2) Israel never called on the US to fight it's battles. Israel has fought 5 major wars, 2 wars against terrorism and 1 war as well as decades of fighting against a terrorist group that is a state within a state. It has bombed Iraq's nuclear facilities AGAINST US wishes (and now looking back we can say thank you that it did). This isn't about Israel, it's about stopping the potential of a world war. Iran hasn't developed missiles that can reach most of Europe because of Israel.
if any person say some thing bad about the jews are isreal you call them racist people just love to hate so you cant say fuck isreal and there govt every govt is fuck up
of course you don't come back to answer. You click 1*, make personal attacks and flee as your arguments are about as intelligent as a sheep's, such as the one on your logo.
Typical. Attack with nothing, accuse people of things you cannot prove and then flee when they challange you.
You're pushing for a war on Iran and what will that lead to? more death and misery for a population. You dont seem to care about the warnings from Russia about an attack on Iran.
I show Iran is threatening Israel... and i'm attacked for "pushing for war with Iran".
This has been a recurring theme I've seen with my previous vid.
How about IRAN IS PUSHING FOR WAR AND I'M JUST POINTING IT OUT.
plz Explain to me why pointing out what Iran has been saying and doing is calling for war please. If it is so bad that its enough for war, then that means Iran's actions have been this bad which means they have declared it on others, not me on them.
So what you are saying is we should just chill out and go on our usual holidays and not worry that the 7m Israelis might be slaughtered... because Iran knows the consequences?
Thats like the western powers saying Germany learnt its lesson after WW I.
Whether you are right or not about their thought-process, who are you to attack me or someone else for being concerned this may be much more than all talk while you are happy to confidently ignore Iran's threats & actions? Thats v unjust imo.
sheep: I don't believe it's all talk. I don't believe Israel should be put at risk to discover if it was all talk or not.
Iran lost perhaps a million people in it's war with Iraq. Clearly they are not afraid of loosing many people in a conflict.
I don't think Israel can afford to "risk it" and I don't think it's fair at all to tell Israel to risk it when it's being threatened with destruction.
Iraq didn't have nukes? Maybe thats because Israel bombed it's nuclear facilities in 1981 remember? Back when all the world was for Iraq and condemned Israel? Only to late thank it when they saw how crazy Saddam was when he gassed his own people on mass to stay in power or conquered kuwait to maintain his oil price edge etc.
Had Israel not destroyed it in 1981, someone who proved happy to use chemical weapons would've surely not feared nuclear.
Israel has never threatened anyone. Iraq did, Iran does. Israel has ALWAYS called for peace as acknowledged by Arab diplomats even as early as 1950's. The old King of Jordan was murdered because it was believed he would sign a peace treaty with Israel.
Iran on the other hand calls for nations destruction and condemns those who support peace and trains, arms and funds those who reject it.
The differences could not be more stark Between Israel on one hand and Iraq/Iran on the other.
Review the first link on my links please. It shows, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Iran has been actively calling for the destruction of Israel.
Now why is it that someone alarmed at that and raising that is attacked and accused of calling for war with Iran when it's only a response to Iran's threats & actions?
Rulllar why do you support a status quo in which your own country's sovereignty is continually undermined, and where it is made to act as a proxy for a superpower, leading to its own moral disintegration? Further, why do you promote propaganda in support of this status quo, identifying enemies everywhere except the biggest one? (You know who I mean when I say that.)
Well this video is a good example. Israel is the regional superpower and has nuclear warheads. Iran doesn't. Yet you're claiming here that Iran is hatching some evil plot. But, as you have no evidence, you have to misinterpret the words of some other guy who isn't even from Iran or engaged in explaining Iran's position re Israel. Then it comes out later that Israel is the one acting beligerently tward Iran, right on the back of America's recent sabre rattling. I hardly need to spell it out.
So why do you consistently hold to a line that completely ignores the fact that America is doing more to undermine Israel than anyone, and all the while propogating opinions that support this position?
America and Israels positions are complex. I don't know how much of the news about american pressure on Israel to not act or act is true. Who knows, right? Usually i'm told (by those arguing with me) it's pro-Israel groups telling the US gov what to do.. everyone has contradicting explanations.
Whatever the case, there are imperfections between the two nations, but the alliance is a vital link and while I've become irritated and frustrated in the past, it's easily Israels most important ally.
Are you giving credence to Zionist plot theories just to undermine my point? There clearly isn't a balance of power between the two and much Israeli power comes from American sponsorship so its pretty obvious who's dictating to who. The 'alliance' IS now a vital link in the sense that Israel is becoming dependent, and, just as with the situation re Iran, acting for someone else wil create yet more hostility to Israel. Dependency then increases. Negative US influence, like Im saying. Wot u think?
I'm not giving credence. I agree America has far more influence on Israel than vice versa. My point was the detail of how much each affects each is very much a detailed Q. The alliance is vital not because Israel is depedent, but because others (eg Europe) has shown to cower everytime there is a flareup and abandon Israel altogether, with the exception of the UK. That tide may turn with Sarkozy and Merkel, but it's yet to be proven after 7 years of absolute abandonment during start of intifada.
I'm not always happy with US influence because in the end, although there is a deep connection, the US will do what the US thinks is in it's long term interests. So sometimes that results in disagreement and clashes with Israel on how to proceed. But with Europe being an absolute joke when it comes to backing allies and china being client and russia supplier state for Anti-israeli world that very much leaves the US as only real power on Israel's side. One cannot simply ignore that.
So your not going to welcome British prime minister Gordon Brown at the Knesset then.More shit from the shitmeister.Sarkozy Brown and Merkel have assumed the Monica Lewinsky position when it comes to Israel.
considering the factual inaccuracies in your completely disproven Sharon quote, your superficial usage of the liberty tragedy, your utterly false attack on me by saying Ahmadinejad did not deny the holocaust and that i'm lying (easily disproven by transcripts) it's clear you know little and do not fact-check the garbage you read. Therefore accusing me of lies, propaganda or anything is utterly laughable.
Your personal attacks on me are just the icing on the cake of proof of your mentality.
Is that why you attacked the USS Liberty killing 40 something US Servicemen,is that why you were caught bombing buildings and blaming Arabs trying to suck America in to fight your battles{Lavon Affair}.Is that why you yricked America into bombing Libya.You are so full of shit.
"You attacked"? I attacked no-one.. your continued attempts to personally label me only demonstrate how weak your actual case is.
Secondly there were several investigations by different US departments, all found it to be an accident. The US recorded Israeli transmissions also showed the fighters believed it to be an enemy target, not US.
Bringing this back is pathetic. You guys are always the same.. lavon and liberty.. every time I disprove it the next low-life personal attacker comes along
and as such I think there needs to be considerations about making the best results for all sides interests.
We don't really know how much of the news on Israeli-US relations are true, so it's hard to judge how much the US is undermining Israel or not. I do keep an eye on events (or reported events) and take it on board. IF you want to give me an example of the undermining?
You'll note that the US has come out and said an attack on Iran would be a disaster for the ME. Thats far from rattling
A writer with access to an Israeli government insider quoted him as saying that Sharon wanted to unilaterally withdraw from a settlement but he would "have to ask America's permission first" (The People on the Street - Linda Grant). This is evidence of American interference in Israeli politics on a domestic level.
Also, with the aid and weapons Israel receives from America there is inevitably going to be a price asked in return. It doesn't come 'no strings attached'.
I am not familiar with the article. I failed to find it so I can't comment. One would've thought for a "settlement" the State department would be supportive of it's withdrawal in any case.
As for funding, yes. Israel had to abandon numerous projects like the Lavi (which seemed to outperform the F16 in early tests) after much investment due to US pressure. There are probably many others. Nobody said it's ideal. But neither is losing funding that helps fund things like bomb-disposal robots.
Actually a large percentage of those funds goes into the upper echelons of Israeli society not on bomb disposal robots. And as I've illustrated, the sort of pressure I'm talking about reaches far beyond things like being pressured to abandon projects.
I'm sure it has strings. But I am finding it hard to believe that the US will oppose a settlement withdrawal when as far as the US was concerned they'd be all too happy to see a 99% withdrawal and for Jerusalem to be split in an impossible arrangement. It would help US business in the gulf, so little reason to reject it.
As I Said I could not find your quote so I'm unsure of what exactly the deal is.
I don't think you could be more wrong on your example.
1) Whether or not Israel has nuclear weapons, it has little to do with Iran's mentality and actions. Would you say it would've made sense for the allies and Nazis to BOTH have nuclear weapons during WWII? Of course not. There is no "balance of mutual threat of destruction" required for a better world. If you believe in such a concept it is assuming both sides want the same thing from a different viewpoint, something I don't always believe.
2) Nuclear particles of military grade have been found on equipment in Iranian nuclear facilities. That was YEARS ago. They still have not fully accounted for it nor allowed full access to many sites. While they can argue it's a sovereignity issue, for others it's an issue of possibly survival which overtakes issues of sovereignity.
Since the program itself was completely secret until it was suddenly exposed in 2003 I think, it's not like they've been honest in any way or form.
Iran isnt going to nuke Israel This is common sense The real issue is the manner in which Iranian nukes will alter the reg. balance of power. Its hypocritical to talk of Iranian honesty Doesnt the world know about Israels nukes because of a whistleblower?
The talk of a threat to survival by media etc serves 2 purposes It creates a consensus where Iran is seen as a threat legitimising war against them In Israel it will create a consensus where the relationship of dependency will have support
You are right. Israel opened Dimona as a "textile plant" if I recall. However
1) Israel always called for peace (different story whether it's achieved or not). Iran rejects peace and funds those opposing peace.
2) Just beucase Israel didn't use nukes doesn't mean Iran won't.
3) If it's no threat, why are arabs rushing to develop nuclear power suddenly? Egypt seems terrified and rushing for nuclear power to balance Iran. They never acted that need against Israel even after whistleblower.
"Calling for peace" means nothing unless it's acted upon. It's only propagandistic rhetoric (like what's heard from Iran re: Israel) And as that quote I gave you illustrated, Israel isn't in a position to act independently re: war or peace anymore. You're politicians sold out years ago. (The recent anti-Iranian manouvres underline this). Do you realise all this? U talk of America being 'supportive' about withdrawal, as if theyre benign and distant. I'm talking about Isr taking orders from them.
I don't understand what you mean. You say Israel sold out on the Iran issue, but you must remember that Israel saw Iran as it's greatest threat since 1990's, long long long before the USA. While the US was still obsessed with Saddam in 1998, Israel was already making plenty of noise in 1995 or earlier. In fact so much noise was made by Peres (i'll try to dig up examples if i can find it), that Netanyahu, the Likud leader, cut back on the loudmouth commentry on Iran when he took over in 96.
Can you show me an example of when Israel has rejected acting on peace? I do not mean going to meetings and agreements not coming out because land-swaps, security measures, agreements on all issues etc are very difficult to resolve... but I mean clear proof Israel rejects peace? The closest I've seen is Israel rejecting Syrian offers a year ago. But that was when Syria was under plenty of pressure over Hariri killing and it was seen as a means of not being pressured (e.g. not real attempt).
Clear proof Israel rejects peace - a few months ago more recent settlement plans were given the go ahead.
When I say Israeli politicians sold out, I don't mean on the Iran issue. I mean they sold out to become an American proxy in the region. Is this something you are aware of but wouldn't admit publicly, or do you completely disagree with it?
which settlement? If you are discussing Jerusalem that is a different story as Israel views all of Jerusalem as it's capital.
In either case, do you know of Yamit? Yamit was one of many (but the biggest) towns and villages Israel built in the sinai desert between 67 and 79 (peace with Egypt). After the peace they dismantled those towns, at great personal cost to those who lived there, many of whom still have traumas of their forced removal.
most settlements can be taken apart if agreed upon.
if you use a settlement as "proof" of Israeli disapproval of peace, then I can similarly cling on to any single statement or any single terrorist as proof that Palestinians don't want peace. If anything their education system is the strongest example. Their education of hate to me is much more profound than a few (depending which you are referring to) Israelis moving to the west bank.
On the American proxy - I believe Israel often acts under US interest. But I don't believe it's a proxy.
Well you asked for evidence that Israel didn't want peace. I don't know the name of the settlement, I just read it on the BBC site a few months back.
Their "education of hate" is a result of what's going on there, isn't it?
Do you see any danger to Israel in the fact that the US holds such sway over it? Does the relationship hold greater advantages for Israel than it does dangers?
I don't feel it shows Israel doesn't want peace. As I mentioned in Yamit there were thousands of people and they were all evacuated. It is not helpful of course as those people intend to stay, otherwise no point doing it, but the gov is the gov. A future deal is a deal.
The hate education i don't think is a reflection. When the greatest prospect of peace existed the education was aweful. That shows intent to create another generation that rejects Israel... very powerful message to radiate.
Of course it shows Israel doesn't want peace. Why set up these settlements in the first place? So they can be evacuated later? That's not logical and it's not true either. Lets have a bit of common sense here. It's just grabbing more land in pursuit of a greater Israel. And of course it will encourage even more despair and extremism. A very powerful message to radiate.
What was the education like in Israel? I've heard of examples of racial chauvinism in the Knesset.
it doesn't prove that at all. As I've said in Yamit thousands lived and they were all evacuated as part of an agreement. So while you are correct that it sends out a strong message, there is a history of proof that it's not in any way permanent if Israel doesn't will it. Some argue it's to "pressure" Palestinians to agree. I'm not convinced, I think it's a waste of money, but i don't think it destroys possibility or disproves ability of a deal including some of the land with settlements.
racial chauvinism? I'd be happy to hear examples. I can't vouch for all the education, but I don't remember anything negative. You could argue some of the cartoons of Beduins were stereotypes, but then where I lived some who dressed exactly like that use to work in the local market once a week, so not sure it's very stereotyped. But that was long ago anyway. I've read that the education is fine, except some obvious overgeneralizations in religious schools (believed to be unintended generalizing)
The Knesset has a very lively history, if you will, which includes a number of slurs, accusations and attacks on each sides heritage etc (don't forget there are quite a few arab members). You could argue that people like Feiglin of the Likud, who said that arab culture is inferior is borderline racial (E.g. not the comment, but his intent), but who knows. Kahane was in the knesset but was banned for his actions in relation to arabs.
But equally, there are plenty of obscene outbursts by Arab MKs
As for the US question. I'm not sure. The most recent reports in Israel actually say that the US is increasingly concerned about a possible strike on Iran by Israel and are warning Israel not to do it. But Israel has on many occasions acted on it's own. In 67 the 6 day war was run contrary to US demands. The bombing of Iraq's nuclear facilties, 81 was contrary. The US condemned Israeli incursions in the second intifada earlier on. So I'm not sure how strong any sway is in matters of crisis.
Please show me where I misinterpreted his words. You claim it, now show it please.
My vid is a follow up to my last vid. It also needs to be read with the links in the notes. The first link shows clearly Iran's intent.
Show me one piece of evidence Israel is beligerent towards Iran.
If you mean the reports about training. Maybe it's true. It's COMPLETELY a response to Iran's threats, which by themselves are legitimate acts of war.
Interpreting the words of a Syrian minister talking about a different subject in such an unbelievably alarmist way is flimsy evidence at best and I don't accept it. I've outlined why in an earlier post.
Don't forget that Iran's leadership, revolutionary leaders are wanted by interpol in connection with the bombing of the Jewish cultural centre in Argentina. However it's believed Hezbollah actually did it. They produce a proxy army, arm it, train it, fund it and dictate to it and because it's a proxy and not them you let them completely off the hook? Thats not fair at all. They've used it as a military arm to attack Israel and killed many American and Jews using it and caused entire wars.
I see the IDF was making a show of preparing to bomb Iran the other day. (Source: BBC Teletext). On whose behalf were they acting, one wonders? Any ideas rulllar? The victim tag is starting to look a little bit inappropriate.
not at all. when one is constantly threatening you it's very appropriate to do all you can to prepare and defend yourself.
Did Israel threaten Iran? No. There was even a semi-peace before the revolution. Since then Iran has decided to threaten Israel with destruction over and over.. there are videos of Ahmadinejad saying "DEATH TO ISRAEL" and the crowd repeating on mass... how can you not be a victim when you are forced in to a confrontation you really didn't want?
joker. I read Israeli papers - all the major ones, every single day.
You are a bigtime liar.
All the things you term "threats" are actually promises of retaliation.
It's Iran which CONSTANTLY threatns Israel with destruction. See my original vid as well as the 1st and 2nd links in notes. There is no doubt what Iran means and who started the threats.
Remember that it was Iran that broke off relations in 1979, not Israel.
Israeli papers are a fucking joke.Israelis are the worst informed people on the planet.You live under mushrooms and feed on shit.Ahmadenijad has never threatened Israel nor denied the holocaust,just more of your Zionist shit.Its Zionism that Ahmadinejad hates and you don,t even have to be Jewish to be a Zionist do you.
Ahmadinejad did not deny the holocaust? forget Israeli papers.. how about Al Jazeera? Is that Israeli to you?
"If somebody in their country questions God, nobody says anything, but if somebody denies the myth of the massacre of Jews, the Zionist loudspeakers and the governments in the pay of Zionism will start to scream."
Because you are slow.. i'll highlight: 'MYTH OF THE MASSACRE OF THE JEWS' - Ahmadinejad
Your full of shit,Ahmadinejad has never said any such thing.There would not be an Israel or any such thing as a Jew if it were not for Cyrus freeing your sorry asses.There have been Jews in Iran for 2500 years.You,re full of shit,you,re not talking to braindead yanks here.I call you out on your shit.
Stupid video by an ASSHOLE helping the bankers, inciting war!
FUCK YOU, MAGGOT!
GET OFF YOUR FACEBOOK AND READ SOME FUCKiNG BOOKS,YOU WHORE!
What an irresponsible retarded prick you are! I'm flagging this piece of shit video!
DROP DEAD!
leesoarez 2 months ago
Zionists Biggest cancer of the World!
shadowofears 11 months ago
@shadowofears Another hate-filled drone, only capable of repeating and rehashing propaganda from over 50 years ago.
rulllar 11 months ago
@rulllar Hating Zionist is just loving humanity!
shadowofears 11 months ago
@shadowofears As per usual.. just more empty slogans, which you couldn't even write using proper grammar.
The truth is simple: You have no facts, no evidence to counteract anything I said. You only have 50 year old slogans of hate by Arab leaders and extremist groups. The same people who massacred their own populations and blamed Israel to cover up their crimes, are the people who made up the phrases you quote.
Absolutely sad.
rulllar 11 months ago
@rulllar There is no reason to love them.I hv got list of Massacres(60 yr)..Feel free to watch it with ur own eyes.Evil should be hated.
shadowofears 11 months ago
@shadowofears then you should hate the terror groups, Whether Hamas, Hezbollah or others, who hide behind civilians, use schools as weapons storage, make and launch rockets out of civilian buildings in order to make sure that if Israel hits back, it kills as many as possible.
This is the lowest form of humanity.
If you cannot see it, then you are defending terrorists, war criminals, human rights abusers, people who only wish to destroy.
Covering it up by blaming the other side is pathetic.
rulllar 10 months ago
@rulllar Hamas was created on 1979 but you were killing civilans from 1948 sorry human sheild propaganda doesnt work on me.I can show u videos where IDF were using childrens as human sheild.
shadowofears 10 months ago
@shadowofears Jews were being murdered long b4 1948. Jews throughout the middle east were massacred without cause. The Palestinian massacres of Jews were always vicious and bloodletting, unlike Israeli acts which were usually a tragic response (eg a grenade thrown in to a house with gunmen firing on Israelis, yet later its found 10 civilians hid there). Palestinians groups main tactic is human shields. Finding 2-3 examples of Israeli soldiers who acted out of order is not the same at all.
rulllar 10 months ago
@rulllar Lies,Lies,Lies The bigger the lie the more likely to be believed..Search urself on very youtube 12 year old girls used as humanshield by cowards IDF.
shadowofears 10 months ago
@shadowofears Palestinians use human shields as a tactic, civilians as their targets... to you that's the same as thing as 10? 30 ? 50 Israeli soldiers out of over 100,000 who may have broken the rules and mistreated people? There are bad apples in good places? SHOCKING! Compare it to Syria, Libya, Hamas hanging Palestinians off buildings, killing any who oppose them.
Palestinians tactics are horrifying, Israel's problem is bad apples, not tactics! To say it's identical is beyond ignorant.
rulllar 10 months ago
@rulllar Humanshield propaganda doesnt work on me?Let suppose if Hamas people hijack a jewish school bus would you bomb the bus in order to kill them or take every precision to save Jewish lives.. IDF is the most cruel force on Face of Earth..They hv history of killing civilians..Qana Massacre,AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE JABALIA MASSACRE
Aramta Massacre
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
shadowofears 10 months ago
israel stabs the knife and is the the one crying in pain at the same time
trovolapoesia 1 year ago
@trovolapoesia ah yes... when no facts are available to back a smear, always rely on cheap slogans or metaphors.
Thanks for the comment.
rulllar 1 year ago
One year has passed, and still Israel makes up stories about Iran....it wont work no more ''''
19tango64 2 years ago 2
What stories has Israel made up? All the evidence has come from a variety of sources. If anything Israel has been extremely quiet on Iran except in it's disagreement with the outdated US assessment... yet it seems that even when silent people (for example you) choose to slander it and label it without any evidence.. like a knee jerk reaction. Don't like something you heard about a vile dictatorship? Just attack Israel.
Is that how it works tango?
rulllar 2 years ago
(cont) It was only hours ago that the Iranian leader expressed his view that Israel will soon be destroyed as it is collapsing (I got that from Iranian press TV in case you are interested).
WITHIN HOURS you appear to say that Israel is making up the stories - without quantifying it with any logic or evidence.
Do you guys work on command like leash dogs? The Iranian leaders call for Israel's destruction and you guys come out and attack Israel?
rulllar 2 years ago
Um 9/11 was used as an example, didn't expect to explain that to you. Whats your problem is you only care about what has happened period! You don't take in the evidence. You are so biased it is unbelievable, You are so PRO Israel! Yes I did make the claim of Ariel Sharon, do I have the video, no I don't, I don't even know if there is a video. The fact that you also consider what happened on 9/11 is crazy conspiracies also show how narrow minded you are. I bid you farewell
siu16 2 years ago
You 40 minutes ago: "Did you even watch the vid about Israelis leaders such as Ariel sharon saying "I want to encourage my soldiers by raping Arabic girls as the Palestinian woman is a slave to the Jews".
After being challenged, you wrote 13 minutes ago "Yes I did make the claim of Ariel Sharon, do I have the video, no I don't, I don't even know if there is a video."
then you run off.
No facts, no logic, complete contradictions. You lie, you deceive, then you run off. Typical.
rulllar 2 years ago
Actually I said "1929 Hebron Massacre you mentioned was Zionist propaganda" please read it properly. It means I never refuted the fact it happened, just like the Holocaust it is constantly used as Propaganda in favor of some sort of sympathy for the Jews. Yes I know you like facts, just like the planes hit 9/11 is a fact, but when you dig deep into it you will find out why it happened and who orchestrated it and that's whats important.
siu16 2 years ago
blah... you have been spreading lies and falsehoods all the time. Saying "subject x is used as propaganda" is NOT the same as saying "subject x is propaganda". Don't play linguistics games. One is saying that a subject is used as an excuse, the other is saying it is a lie.
This topic is not about 9/11. Lets stay away from your crazy conspiracy theories. Back to the facts: You made a slanderous claim about Sharon saying there's a vid of him promoting rape. Show me or withdraw the slander!
rulllar 2 years ago
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siu16 2 years ago
Show me where Ariel Sharon said this. I want a video of him saying this. Show me Ariel Sharon saying he wants soldiers to rape anyone. You have made the claim, your reputation is now at stake. Show it before you make any further claims!
rulllar 2 years ago
Type this in You tube '80 years of Hebron massacre, a Zionist propaganda'. It has a statement by a Rabbi who was studying in Hebron during the 1929 massacre. He stated that although the event happened, if you look into the root cause of it, it leads to the Zionists. He states that by urging the Arabs to attack the Jews & promoting the fact that Arabs have an natural hate for the Jews, it would give them a reason to create the Israel state! Does this not make sense?
siu16 2 years ago
no it makes no sense!
1. You said it's a zionist lie and now you are saying it happened, sloppy shoddy historical narrative!
2. Where is the historical evidence for your point? What you are providing is nonsense! You should watch my Nuteri Karta video (which covers this topic) to get some idea of how silly the "orthodox" (it's actually ultra orthodox the ones you mean) Rabbis are when they make the claims you claim they are making.
I have replied many comments before this also, read them all
rulllar 2 years ago
What I want to know is why you are so PRO-Israel? Are you from Israel? Are you Jewish? Why does everyone's comments against Israel or Jews have to be lies? Are you saying that Jews or Israel have never ever committed a crime? I personally think Ahmadinejad is a great man who has been portrayed as some sort of terrorist. He speaks the truth about the Zionists regime! Watch this vid to see what Israel has to say about the Arabs/Palestinians.
siu16 2 years ago
Now on to your last point: What do you care where I'm from? Would my analysis be "disqualified" if I am from Israel or am Jewish? Would historical facts recorded by all sides change as a result?
Ahmadinejad denies the holocaust, calls for the destruction of a UN member state and is in breach of the NPT in building secret nuclear facilities. His reelection caused the death of many and the injuries to countless. He even made Irans inflation jump to the highest world levels.
What makes him great?
rulllar 2 years ago
Zionist was not formed from any Arab Massacre, It was formed by western minded people who have never lived under an Islamic state and only knew of a history of persecution in europe! Even the Rothschilds who now own the Bank of England had to work in the shadows as Jews were not seen as equals in the west.
siu16 2 years ago
The Rothchilds own the bank of England? Actually the Bank of England is an independent branch of the British Government. Not only are you engaged in bizzare nonfactual nonanalitical arguments but rather you seem to pluck random things and conspiracies from the air and state them as facts, while simply calling proven historical facts 'zionist propaganda'. This is a bizarre way to hold a conversation.
rulllar 2 years ago
coming back to your earlier point, a few weeks ago an Iraqi Jew showed me the yellow star of David he was forced to wear while in Iraq in 50s, and explained how it became legally required for Jews to tell non-Jews that the shop is a Jewish shop, and that they are Jews. To show their Jewish ID and wear the yellow star, just like the Nazis did.
But of course, the problem you must see there is zionism not the disgraceful Arab mistreatment of their minorities whether Jews, Kurds, copts or others.
rulllar 2 years ago
Most Orthodox Jews would agree that they lived their most happiest times under Islamic rule where their communities thrived for hundreds if not thousands of years! That all came to an end when the Zionist state was formed saying
they formed it to stop jews from being mistreated in Arab countries.
Thats when jews started to suddenly get mistreated set up by the west so that there would be a arab-jew conflict.
siu16 2 years ago
Really? Which Jews are these? Most Orthodox Jews would probably say the best time was during the eras of the temples, the eras they want to bring back.
Furthermore, I'm sure when you bring up the massacres within the Islamic empires over the centuries, these same orthodox will not be so forthcoming. Lastly, it is the orthodox who are building the settlements, not secular Jews. So if the orthodox love living under Arab rule why didn't they just move in under them? Where's a shred of evidence?
rulllar 2 years ago
What about the Zionist Jews:
July 25th 1938 Haifa Market car bombing, killing 70 dead 140 injured, all Palestians.
July 22nd 1946 King David Hotel bombing Killing more than 200 people!
Over 3000 Palestians Killed through forced war marches, executions & massacres.
Heres the big one
1947 - 1948
740,000 Palestian & ARABS were ethnically cleansed and 418 villages Obliterated!
(Sound familiar? just sounds the opposite to what you just wrote!)
siu16 2 years ago
Ok... I'll start by order of historical importance:
The Palestinians who fled were generally recorded at far less (closer to 600,000, some estimates as low as 400,000). There is no one agreed stat. Secondly, all historical evidence points to them fleeing for the most part, with only some instances of being forced out. You saying that they were all forced out, against the statements of Palestinians and Arab leaders, historians, recorded documents and British witnesses is lazy history by you.
rulllar 2 years ago
Secondly, why go to 1938? 1946? DECADES after the 1929 massacre (which was a massacre, but far from the first murders). We can also reflect on the 1936 Jerusalem massacre by Arabs, not to mention one in Baghdad (coincidence I'm sure) the same year against Jews. Why skip decades to counter a point? By the 30s the Arabs were in full swing in attacking Jews... you cannot snip out the context and then make a counter case snipping out events decades apart. This is very shoddy historical analysis.
rulllar 2 years ago
Ok I have had trouble posting a response to your argument. OK the 1929 Hebron Massacre you mentioned was Zionist propaganda! you can watch any vid on You tube for the facts. The fact is people don't just wake up one day & say lets kill some Jews. Someone must have initiated it.
siu16 2 years ago
The 1929 Hebron massacre was ZIONIST PROPAGANDA? I'm not even sure how to reply to such an unbelievably nonsensical statement.
In that case why don't we just say that no Arab has ever lived in Israel in the past 2,000 years and therefore any claim they make is just arab propaganda? You can't start making statements that are just nonsense and then expect someone to reply.
The Hebron massacre is recorded by the British, Arabs, Jews who are anti-zionist and Zionists. How can you just ignore it?
rulllar 2 years ago
So Israel invade Palestine and forcefully terrorize the Palestinian people out of their homes to rid the land for themselves. Then after they have occupied it they send out peace offerings to neighbouring countries and you think they are going to just welcome them with open arms? Is this a joke? Israel is Terrorism at its worst! Ahmadinejad is free speaking, and speaks the truth that's why he has been badly portrayed so badly on US 'Zionist' TV! I am from UK & even I know the truth!
siu16 2 years ago
What a pointless comment.
You know the truth? Do you know the truth about the attempted Arab ethnic cleansing of Jews during the Nazi Era? Before Israel was created? Not just in Palestine under the religious mufti, hitlers friend, but also in Iraq where they forced Jews to walk around with yellow IDs that they had to, by law, show to anyone they deal with to let him know they are Jews.
Do you know about the 1929 Hebron massacre where non-zionist Jews who believed in coexistence were massacred?
rulllar 2 years ago
Do you know about the 1919 Pan Arab-Zionist agreement where the Arabs agreed to create a national Jewish homeland in the land? What about that agreement? What about Faisals warning to the Arabs, that their thug gangs who attack Jews in mandate Palestine will create a big rift between the old cousins? Do you know about any of this? What about "We'll throw the Jews in to the sea?" Did that not cause any of the problems? What about the 1936 massacre in both mandate Palestine and Iraq?
rulllar 2 years ago
Did you learn about all this in your classes in the UK? No.
What truth do you know? The story you represented is like a pop-up book version! Simple, filled with misrepresentations and lies. Very nice story, but it's got nothing to do with the truth. The truth is that the Zionists did not even decide on a state until after the Arab massacres when it became clear the Arabs planned to kill them all !
Jews were massacred on Arab lands EVERY TIME their population was no longer insignificant!
rulllar 2 years ago
P.S. how could Israel invade Palestine? Israel was not even a sovereign nation at the time, Israel was BORN out of British mandate Palestine, how can a nation, whose entire population is actually a local population, be an invading nation? That makes no sense! Israel was created by nearly 40 percent of people who were called mandate era Palestinians!
Now... keeping all that in mind... perhaps you should re-explain what you mean by 'truth' and what you mean your entire point, since it was lies.
rulllar 2 years ago
The transcript of Ahmadinejad's speech ref; " wiping Israel from the face of the earth " was in fact very different. What he actually said was " the page should be turned on the regime in Israel " The Zionist - inclined media got hold of this and distorted it for their own ends. Much like the Zionists claim that Iraq had wmd's.Look what happenned there with disastrous consequences!! Incidentally I don't support Ahmadinejad BUT neither do I support world Zionism, equally dangerous for all .
AhmadAmor 2 years ago
Did you watch my original video on this issue? ahmad", repeating conspiracy theories about zionist-media does not raise much confidence in your point.
Nevertheless, Ahmadinejad has been recorded chanting "death to Israel". The videos are available online. Furthermore your translation was wrong, he never even said the word Israel, the whole argument is that he meant Israel with what he said, which was now demonstrated when he said the says "zionist regime" when he means Israel, not a government
rulllar 2 years ago
At the end of the day, it's one thing to say you disagree with a nation, and another to hate the race that composes the citizenry of that state. I think it says a lot that we can even define this nation with one race, and I think that is what Ahmadinejad is fundamentally opposed to. In that light, chanting "death to Israel" or calling for Israel to be wiped off the map is not an attack on a race or a citizenry, but an attack on racism and exclusivity.
Zarathustra34 2 years ago
warmonger? That sounds about right.
Soupaman219 2 years ago
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Soupaman219 2 years ago
eye for an eye ... destruction of a state is very different from violence against people. You get that point, right?
GeoliphicMedia 2 years ago
But even here your assumption is incorrect.
There was no Palestinian state. Even in the 70s many PLO leaders were calling for liberating the land as 'Palestinian' simply for international purposes with the intent to unite it with Jordan. Even so, they lost the land because they launched a war against Israel in 67, which began with the Jordanian/Palestinian bombardment of Jerusalem.
After they were offered the land back AFTER Israel's victory, the Arab league responded with: (cont)
rulllar 2 years ago
(cont)
No to peace with Israel,
No to Recognition of Israel,
No to negotiations with Israel.
You are welcome to review all this, it was the Khartoum resolution.
There is a process, going on for DECADES, of Israel making offers of peace and withdrawal, even right after victorious wars, (which with few exceptions NEVER happens in history) that have been rejected without even discussion by the Arab side.
This is not even taking in to account that every time Israel gave land more Israelis died
rulllar 2 years ago
to your talking point on the 'opportunity' given:
checkpoints and isolation always remained, harassment and separatism (today israeli soldiers fire on farmers in gaza). you're saying, "to late, they missed their chance" ... meanwhile cultural genocide continues, Palestinians are being forced to flee villages, abandon farms, stop fishng -- a way of life is being destroyed. Never too late to stop violence
lets just both be on the side of a long-term peace and an end to the bombs and attacks
GeoliphicMedia 2 years ago
My friend, you are discussing incorrect facts and reaching false conclusions.
If Israel FULLY leaves Gaza, that means NOTHING Israeli left whatsoever, how can there be checkpoints?
I also never stated they missed their chance. I state that they seem to purposely mess up any chance they are offered. And messing up is not simply a term for 'refusal' of an offer, it's a term to mean they launch attacks on people as a response to peace offers since they see death as an effective negotiating tool.
rulllar 2 years ago
Who is 'reacting' depends on how far back you want to go ... can israel do no wrong? you are parroting too my friend. Do you really think only one side wants peace?
GeoliphicMedia 2 years ago
If you think I said Israel can do no wrong, please show me where.
Yes. Based on all available evidence that I've seen, the Arab world, and certainly Iran, are keen on Israel's destruction/damage and the Palestinians are grudgingly moving towards peace moves as an alternative means of advancing their goals, not as an ideological belief in peace. It's also proven history that Israel has shown great willingness for peace and has ALREADY withdrawn from 95% of the territories gained in 1967.
rulllar 2 years ago
so who should lay down the sword first?
one side has more to lose and has caused more destruction ... the other nothing to lose and desire to cause more destruction. It is he with the upper-hand who must yield first. only trust can combat fear.
GeoliphicMedia 2 years ago
This is a metaphor not rooted in the reality of the conflict. Israel, as I mentioned, has withdrawn from 95% of the land it is accused of occupying since 1967. But you must remember that until 1994, Israel ran all the west bank and Gaza Palestinians. There were virtually never any Israelis killed (with few exceptions). Since 1994, Israel has completely left Gaza and 99% of West Bank Palestinians live under self-rule, yet on the other side Israel has been hit by over 100s of suicide bombers.
rulllar 2 years ago
The Palestinians have nothing to lose is also an untrue perception that has been widely circulated. Since 2005 Israel completely withdrew from Gaza. At that time Israel left specialized farms (very efficient by any world standard), and the Gaza ports were mostly open. But instead of use the opportunity to prove peaceful intentions and build a state, the Palestinians spent the money building rockets to launch at Israel. No occupation, sword was down, yet they continue to attack Israeli civilians.
rulllar 2 years ago
Furthermore my friend, you will note that on this particular video, which discusses Iran, we see the nature of the regime in question. Until the Iranian revolution, Israel and Iran faced many problems with Arab nations for different reasons and so, albeit at a reasonably low level, cooperated and helped each other, even though Iran occasionally launched verbal attacks on Israel.
Since the revolution it has become a pillar of Iran to seek the destruction of Israel. No conflict, just hate.
rulllar 2 years ago
For religious beliefs or so on, but if i believe that i have a holy ground , for example, in Spain, that doesn't mean that i should occupy Spain to get my religious ground.
abothar85 2 years ago
come on bro everyone knows that israel is an illegal country. even the eu dont want them in europe thats why they throw the jews to jerusalem. go watch THE ARRIVALS if u want to know the real agenda of these ppl.
azlanmf 2 years ago
Yes THE ARRIVALS is a very good video.
abothar85 2 years ago
I am with Iran's opinion about Israel, which i will comment on later, but im sure he will not come and attack my opinion. Why don't we all talk and exchange respected opinions. Respect urself by respectin each other.
About Iran and it's attacks on Israel, Israel has been around since 1948 and they have had wars with the neighboring countries. Despite if they have done bad things or not, they actually reside in a country that is Palestine. Why are they there? I ask myself.
abothar85 2 years ago
Why are you with "Irans" opinion? This is no opinion, it's death. They train, arm and fund Hezbollah, Hamas. Both launched attacks on Israel ('coincidentally' exactly as international attention heated up on Iran) and their people suffered greatly as a result. We now also know Iran set up terror units in many countries, not to mention was involved in attacking Argentina. This is not a matter of discussion, it's a matter of proven Iranian intent and willingness to commit large-scale destruction.
rulllar 2 years ago
this is an excuse to take over their country and dont give them right to vote and be a citizen, at least citizen of israel.
why? because they are more than 6 million palestinian and if they come back and be able to vote, they gana be the majority and no more zionist , no more racist policy, no more power.....
hamidze 2 years ago
an excuse to take over their country? Israel was declared out of an area known as Palestine. Where is there ANY historical evidence there was a country? There is none! Even Palestinian leaders, when giving evidence to British investigators in the 20s and 30s saw the land as part of the Arab lands. There was basically no reference to any distinction between someone from Amman and someone from Palestine, so there you are already making facts up that are simply untrue.
rulllar 2 years ago
But they did not listen. Local Arabs started to attack Jewish farmers, to attack Jewish students. They burnt farms, stabbed farmers, committed several massacres, all this DECADES before Israel was created.
So, as you can imagine, the Jews started to train men to defend the farms, the trucks. As things got worse, those men became better trained and eventually, when there was a civil war where Arabs tried to WIPE OUT all the Jews, they lost.
This is why we are here today, not because of voting!
rulllar 2 years ago
You should remember my friend, that many East Jerusalem Arabs have REJECTED their option to vote. Furthermore, Israel HAS NOT annexed the West Bank, so it does not owe those people any right to vote. It recognizes Israeli-Arab villages as Israeli, so those Arabs can vote. But it doesn't recognize Palestinian villages as Israeli, so they do not! That land too, was only taken after Jordanians and Palestinians bombed Jerusalem in 1967. They hit schools, injured, disabled. So Israel reacted!
rulllar 2 years ago
can you answer this question:
you said jews tried to be strong to defend themselves when they faceing arabs, and they won!
why they changed the name of country to israel?
if it was internal problem, why its necessary to change the name of country? to push arabs out of some area?
the reality is : if they would give up long time ago, there werw not a place like east bank or ghazzeh to live, it was all israel.
hamidze 2 years ago
THERE WAS NO COUNTRY. There was no "Palestine". Palestine was about as much of a country as the swiss alps are a country. If Palestine was a country, who was the king/prime minister? What was their national anthem? They had none because there was no country.
And changing a name does not mean pushing Arabs anywhere. If Arabs left because they were so offended, then that is their problem. You are claiming because there was a name change that everything changed.
rulllar 2 years ago
why they dont give back Johlan highland to syria? south of lobnan, apart of egypt, and 1 conection way between east bank and GHazzah
hamidze 2 years ago
Israel Gave back the Sinai desert (91% of the land taken in 67). It left ALL of Lebanon Hezbollah only says Sheba is part of Lebanon to continue to attack Israel, not because it is true.
Israel WAS leaving Gaza and West bank UNTIL the suicide bombers. for 30 years they ran the west bank and gaza and hardly any Israelis died. Only 10 years since they started leaving 1000 Israelis were killed, so they stopped. It's only common sense! The more land Israel left, the more Israelis were murdered.
rulllar 2 years ago
let me ask you one as well:
Israel today is the strongest nation in the middle east. I think it's COMPLETELY for peace, you say the opposite. You say it kicked out all the Arabs. If that lie is true, then why are there 1.4m Arabs (20% of Israelis) in Israel today? Today there are there, they have Arab professors, mayors, members of parliament, lawyers, everything! Why would such a strong country leave them and educate them if the plan was to kick them out?
So your accusation makes no sense.
rulllar 2 years ago
my friend i dont deffend any body, im just saying.
I saw some jew was talking about syria and jordan and a part of iraq and egypt , and he was saying that those countries shouldnt exist, and also I saw a documentry movies that israeli education section was barin washing their children that this is your land and we will get it back!!!
or israel flag means, land between 2 river, Nile in egypt and Foraat in Iraq.
hamidze 2 years ago
No, The Israeli flag does not mean that. This is a lie told to promote hatred of Israel. The flag is derived from a Jewish prayer Shawl, not the rivers! Furthermore, whether or not some "Jew" said anything about Iraq and Syria is not important. These points have nothing to do with Israels view.
Also, I don't know what documentary you saw, but the Israeli system promotes coexistence. It is the Palestinian system that says bad things about Jews. So it's completely the opposite of what you say.
rulllar 2 years ago
To all readers, those supporting Iran and those opposing it, it's wrong to attack each other with words and insult each others opinions. Those who place stupid comments from either side should have evidence and a clear explanation of whta they say. Don't just say fuck Iran or fuck the Israel and leave, you contaminate the guy's video and his efforts and he has not really attacked Iran verbally or in an ignorant matter.
abothar85 2 years ago
israel is mideast Cancer
they are not satisfy with palestine only, they want syria and jordan and egypt as well
they believe its their historical land, but I dont know how its possible, who pushed them out ? lol
they want to come back? they never been there. thats the point
hamidze 2 years ago
never been there? so are all the historic findings Jewish artifacts. It's amazing how people think they are making an intelligent point by saying some of the most ignorant things ever heard. Things that can be proven to be nonsense within seconds, yet you have no shame in showing how much you know nothing at all. It's an impressive quality, how you don't seem to care at all for truth and facts when you write.
rulllar 2 years ago
let say they have been there, how is possible to disapear sudenly from palestine, and come back many years later from europe! after world war?
I'm from historical place and I know all my grand fathers and different names for my city and every thing is right
hamidze 2 years ago
what are you talking about? Your point is irrelevant. What is relevant? Why are we where we are today. That is relevant. We who studied the topic remember when Faisal, the man who led the Arabs against the Turks, whom the Arabs later made king of Iraq and King of Syria (before the European countries dethrowned him), WARNED the Arabs not to be jelous of their Jewish brothers (who were succeeding in building up a people in the land). He warned the Arabs not to fall for the lies of local leaders.
rulllar 2 years ago
We know he wants the destruction of Israel. So what? We all support him, international law supports the destruction of Israel. Israel is an illegal state.
Free Palestine!
VreIaKrv 2 years ago
How can international law, which are rules based on the UN, support the destruction of Israel when Israel is a UN member and the UN charter rejects any attempts to wipe out other members? Your version of international law is whatever you want it to be. Try to understand that international law is something agreed upon and followed. Your phrases show how little you understand it, so using it, in a completely wrong manner, is outright illogical.
rulllar 2 years ago
You have got it all wrong the last time Iran invaded another country is 250 years ago.
How many wars has Israel started in in its short existence. As a ruIe Iranians never start wars but anyone foolish enough to start a war lives to regret it as Saddam Hussein found out.
Ahmadinejad is not in charge of foreign policy or the nuclear programme he is a buffon and contemptible I agree. The real people in charge of Iran are very sane people.
petersz98 2 years ago
How many wars has Israel started? I'd say none. At most the most aggressive move was the bombing of Iraqs nuclear facilities.. but of the major wars?
48 - 6 arab armies invade the new Israel
56 - Arabs illegally nationalize suez and call for war against Israel (calling for war is a declaration of war and therefore you begin the war)
67 - arab armies call for war on Israel, illegally seal trade routes (act of war). Jordan bombs Jerusalem.
73 - Arab armies invade Israel.
rulllar 2 years ago
82 - Lebanese Arabs repeatedly attack Israel over a long period in a protracted conflict. Along with several international acts of terrorism, Israel responds by attacking the PLO heart which was in Lebanon.
91 - Iraq attacks Israel to gain Arab support against US.
2000 - Palestinians walk out of peace talks and within a few short months begin a campaign of suicide bombers.
2005 - Israel leaves Gaza, yet contrary to promises, rocket attacks on Israel intensify MASSIVELY and gain deeper range.
rulllar 2 years ago
2006 - Israeli soldier kidnapped through a tunnel from a Gaza that was suppose to be completely pacified once "occupation" ended, yet in reality only increased the terror attacks an unbelievable amount much deeper in to Israel. Israel responds by launching an operation on Gaza.
Same year Hezbollah invades Israeli sovereignty, kidnaps troops, kills others. Israel responds with Lebanon war.
Show me the 'how many wars Israel started' (by which you meant many)... show me them.
rulllar 2 years ago
Also.. what are you a kid? Iran has not invaded another country for 250 years? What is that suppose to mean? They planned a number of worldwide terror attacks including the attack on the Jewish cultural center in Buenos Aires! They set up proxy armies to fight with wars such as hezbollah! They clearly attack other nations through these proxies! And frankly so what? So because for a period no Iranian leader did something, doesn't mean they won't today! Your claim is illogical !
rulllar 2 years ago
Let us prey Israel starts a war....LOL
USAFalling 3 years ago
The anti-Israeli cannot help but call for death and violence.
rulllar 3 years ago
and this numbnut cannot help but desperatly take every oportunity going to try and associate violence with arabs....I believe the BNP do the same thing to jews and when they do it we call it "HATE MONGERING". when jews do it its never "hate mongering" of course...LOL
GushShalomRising 3 years ago
Jews? hehe, I thought you hate zionists... funny how that word intertwines so often in the vocabulary of the anti-israeli (or should I say anti-jew considering your comment).
rulllar 3 years ago
Hey..numbnuts..why don't you make your case this way:
Take the transcript, post it and do a LITERAL TRANSLATION of the message. I knwo why you won't do it...because it will prove you wrong. At no time did he call for Irsael to be "wiped off the map!" NO..NEVER..DID NOT HAPPEN...BTW, if you disagree..let Israel go to war and have THEIR OWN MILITARY STRIKE IRAN..leave the USn out of it. We don't want to fight your wars anymore..FUCKHEAD
ttiger46 3 years ago
hey there "numbnuts".
1) I said he called for Israel's destruction. I SPECIFICALLY POINTED OUT IN MY FIRST VIDEO about the foolish accusation you guys keep making that he was misinterpreted. Maybe you should watch how clearly I dicussed it before bringing it up as if it's 'new'.
2) The threat isn't just against Israel! Is Iran building missiles that reach central europe to reach Israel 'numbnuts'? Eventually they'll reach the US. So it's a WORLD WIDE THREAT! Don't be SO SHORT SIGHTED!
rulllar 3 years ago
Iran hasn't even threatened the arab world, yet the arab world is in a state of panic. They claim Israel is the enemy, but within 2 years of Iran being caught having SECRET HIDDEN nuclear facilities (including diagrams of how to make a nuclear bomb), quite a few arab nations also declared they want to start programs. Talk about a massive uncontrollable arms race...
but for you thats just not a concern is it? It's just Israel's problem to you? Personally I think thats a bizzare point of view.
rulllar 3 years ago
one thing american people dont want there children to fight for a other country war let isreal fight iran them self you all die for your country isreal is not the 51st state of the usa so if you want war with iran go it alone cause i no iran will fight back hard
earlsutton 3 years ago
2) Israel never called on the US to fight it's battles. Israel has fought 5 major wars, 2 wars against terrorism and 1 war as well as decades of fighting against a terrorist group that is a state within a state. It has bombed Iraq's nuclear facilities AGAINST US wishes (and now looking back we can say thank you that it did). This isn't about Israel, it's about stopping the potential of a world war. Iran hasn't developed missiles that can reach most of Europe because of Israel.
rulllar 3 years ago
if any person say some thing bad about the jews are isreal you call them racist people just love to hate so you cant say fuck isreal and there govt every govt is fuck up
earlsutton 3 years ago
1) please try to make sentences legible.
rulllar 3 years ago
hate each other
earlsutton 3 years ago
so what the fuck if he denied the holocaust is that going to kill all the jews people of all race others races of people
earlsutton 3 years ago
rulllar you're talking such bullshit and you know it but you dont care. Typical Zionist.
sheepinnit 3 years ago
ah yes. typical attacks. Personal attacks on me, when you clearly have nothing with which to disprove my points..
absolutely typical of anti-israelis.
rulllar 3 years ago
of course you don't come back to answer. You click 1*, make personal attacks and flee as your arguments are about as intelligent as a sheep's, such as the one on your logo.
Typical. Attack with nothing, accuse people of things you cannot prove and then flee when they challange you.
Coward.
rulllar 3 years ago
You're pushing for a war on Iran and what will that lead to? more death and misery for a population. You dont seem to care about the warnings from Russia about an attack on Iran.
sheepinnit 3 years ago
I show Iran is threatening Israel... and i'm attacked for "pushing for war with Iran".
This has been a recurring theme I've seen with my previous vid.
How about IRAN IS PUSHING FOR WAR AND I'M JUST POINTING IT OUT.
plz Explain to me why pointing out what Iran has been saying and doing is calling for war please. If it is so bad that its enough for war, then that means Iran's actions have been this bad which means they have declared it on others, not me on them.
Don't you think?
rulllar 3 years ago
Its all talk. Iran wont attack Israel because they know the consequences if they did.
sheepinnit 3 years ago
So what you are saying is we should just chill out and go on our usual holidays and not worry that the 7m Israelis might be slaughtered... because Iran knows the consequences?
Thats like the western powers saying Germany learnt its lesson after WW I.
Whether you are right or not about their thought-process, who are you to attack me or someone else for being concerned this may be much more than all talk while you are happy to confidently ignore Iran's threats & actions? Thats v unjust imo.
rulllar 3 years ago
sheep: I don't believe it's all talk. I don't believe Israel should be put at risk to discover if it was all talk or not.
Iran lost perhaps a million people in it's war with Iraq. Clearly they are not afraid of loosing many people in a conflict.
I don't think Israel can afford to "risk it" and I don't think it's fair at all to tell Israel to risk it when it's being threatened with destruction.
rulllar 3 years ago
Iraq didn't have nukes or the backing of the World powers. Israel does.
sheepinnit 3 years ago
Iraq didn't have nukes? Maybe thats because Israel bombed it's nuclear facilities in 1981 remember? Back when all the world was for Iraq and condemned Israel? Only to late thank it when they saw how crazy Saddam was when he gassed his own people on mass to stay in power or conquered kuwait to maintain his oil price edge etc.
Had Israel not destroyed it in 1981, someone who proved happy to use chemical weapons would've surely not feared nuclear.
Also, again, it doesn't matter what Israel has
rulllar 3 years ago
Israel has never threatened anyone. Iraq did, Iran does. Israel has ALWAYS called for peace as acknowledged by Arab diplomats even as early as 1950's. The old King of Jordan was murdered because it was believed he would sign a peace treaty with Israel.
Iran on the other hand calls for nations destruction and condemns those who support peace and trains, arms and funds those who reject it.
The differences could not be more stark Between Israel on one hand and Iraq/Iran on the other.
rulllar 3 years ago
Review the first link on my links please. It shows, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Iran has been actively calling for the destruction of Israel.
Now why is it that someone alarmed at that and raising that is attacked and accused of calling for war with Iran when it's only a response to Iran's threats & actions?
rulllar 3 years ago
Rulllar why do you support a status quo in which your own country's sovereignty is continually undermined, and where it is made to act as a proxy for a superpower, leading to its own moral disintegration? Further, why do you promote propaganda in support of this status quo, identifying enemies everywhere except the biggest one? (You know who I mean when I say that.)
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
Please clarify your comment so we are on the same page and I'll write an answer out.
rulllar 3 years ago
Well this video is a good example. Israel is the regional superpower and has nuclear warheads. Iran doesn't. Yet you're claiming here that Iran is hatching some evil plot. But, as you have no evidence, you have to misinterpret the words of some other guy who isn't even from Iran or engaged in explaining Iran's position re Israel. Then it comes out later that Israel is the one acting beligerently tward Iran, right on the back of America's recent sabre rattling. I hardly need to spell it out.
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
So why do you consistently hold to a line that completely ignores the fact that America is doing more to undermine Israel than anyone, and all the while propogating opinions that support this position?
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
America and Israels positions are complex. I don't know how much of the news about american pressure on Israel to not act or act is true. Who knows, right? Usually i'm told (by those arguing with me) it's pro-Israel groups telling the US gov what to do.. everyone has contradicting explanations.
Whatever the case, there are imperfections between the two nations, but the alliance is a vital link and while I've become irritated and frustrated in the past, it's easily Israels most important ally.
rulllar 3 years ago
Are you giving credence to Zionist plot theories just to undermine my point? There clearly isn't a balance of power between the two and much Israeli power comes from American sponsorship so its pretty obvious who's dictating to who. The 'alliance' IS now a vital link in the sense that Israel is becoming dependent, and, just as with the situation re Iran, acting for someone else wil create yet more hostility to Israel. Dependency then increases. Negative US influence, like Im saying. Wot u think?
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
I'm not giving credence. I agree America has far more influence on Israel than vice versa. My point was the detail of how much each affects each is very much a detailed Q. The alliance is vital not because Israel is depedent, but because others (eg Europe) has shown to cower everytime there is a flareup and abandon Israel altogether, with the exception of the UK. That tide may turn with Sarkozy and Merkel, but it's yet to be proven after 7 years of absolute abandonment during start of intifada.
rulllar 3 years ago
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"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
Ariel Sharon!you remember that war criminal don,t you.
robbaggott 3 years ago
false quote. That was quoted originally by islamic websites and they falsely sourced it to Israeli websites.
Try to not quote fake quotes.
rulllar 3 years ago
I'm not always happy with US influence because in the end, although there is a deep connection, the US will do what the US thinks is in it's long term interests. So sometimes that results in disagreement and clashes with Israel on how to proceed. But with Europe being an absolute joke when it comes to backing allies and china being client and russia supplier state for Anti-israeli world that very much leaves the US as only real power on Israel's side. One cannot simply ignore that.
rulllar 3 years ago
So your not going to welcome British prime minister Gordon Brown at the Knesset then.More shit from the shitmeister.Sarkozy Brown and Merkel have assumed the Monica Lewinsky position when it comes to Israel.
robbaggott 3 years ago
considering the factual inaccuracies in your completely disproven Sharon quote, your superficial usage of the liberty tragedy, your utterly false attack on me by saying Ahmadinejad did not deny the holocaust and that i'm lying (easily disproven by transcripts) it's clear you know little and do not fact-check the garbage you read. Therefore accusing me of lies, propaganda or anything is utterly laughable.
Your personal attacks on me are just the icing on the cake of proof of your mentality.
rulllar 3 years ago
Is that why you attacked the USS Liberty killing 40 something US Servicemen,is that why you were caught bombing buildings and blaming Arabs trying to suck America in to fight your battles{Lavon Affair}.Is that why you yricked America into bombing Libya.You are so full of shit.
robbaggott 3 years ago
"You attacked"? I attacked no-one.. your continued attempts to personally label me only demonstrate how weak your actual case is.
Secondly there were several investigations by different US departments, all found it to be an accident. The US recorded Israeli transmissions also showed the fighters believed it to be an enemy target, not US.
Bringing this back is pathetic. You guys are always the same.. lavon and liberty.. every time I disprove it the next low-life personal attacker comes along
rulllar 3 years ago
and as such I think there needs to be considerations about making the best results for all sides interests.
We don't really know how much of the news on Israeli-US relations are true, so it's hard to judge how much the US is undermining Israel or not. I do keep an eye on events (or reported events) and take it on board. IF you want to give me an example of the undermining?
You'll note that the US has come out and said an attack on Iran would be a disaster for the ME. Thats far from rattling
rulllar 3 years ago
A writer with access to an Israeli government insider quoted him as saying that Sharon wanted to unilaterally withdraw from a settlement but he would "have to ask America's permission first" (The People on the Street - Linda Grant). This is evidence of American interference in Israeli politics on a domestic level.
Also, with the aid and weapons Israel receives from America there is inevitably going to be a price asked in return. It doesn't come 'no strings attached'.
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
I am not familiar with the article. I failed to find it so I can't comment. One would've thought for a "settlement" the State department would be supportive of it's withdrawal in any case.
As for funding, yes. Israel had to abandon numerous projects like the Lavi (which seemed to outperform the F16 in early tests) after much investment due to US pressure. There are probably many others. Nobody said it's ideal. But neither is losing funding that helps fund things like bomb-disposal robots.
rulllar 3 years ago
Actually a large percentage of those funds goes into the upper echelons of Israeli society not on bomb disposal robots. And as I've illustrated, the sort of pressure I'm talking about reaches far beyond things like being pressured to abandon projects.
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
I'm sure it has strings. But I am finding it hard to believe that the US will oppose a settlement withdrawal when as far as the US was concerned they'd be all too happy to see a 99% withdrawal and for Jerusalem to be split in an impossible arrangement. It would help US business in the gulf, so little reason to reject it.
As I Said I could not find your quote so I'm unsure of what exactly the deal is.
rulllar 3 years ago
And Russia have said an attack on Iran will be seen as an attack on Russia.Don,t ever say you were not warned.
robbaggott 3 years ago
Russia has sold many weapons that made it's way to terror groups. All the worst groups in the world are usually armed with russian weaponary, not US.
Everyone knows the image of the terrorist is historically carrying an AK47.
There is increasing proof also that Russia (USSR then) CREATED the six day war to try to bomb Israel without being noticed cos of war with arabs.
Israel will defend itself no matter what threats Russia dishes out. Bullies can't stop Israel defending itself.
rulllar 3 years ago
I don't think you could be more wrong on your example.
1) Whether or not Israel has nuclear weapons, it has little to do with Iran's mentality and actions. Would you say it would've made sense for the allies and Nazis to BOTH have nuclear weapons during WWII? Of course not. There is no "balance of mutual threat of destruction" required for a better world. If you believe in such a concept it is assuming both sides want the same thing from a different viewpoint, something I don't always believe.
rulllar 3 years ago
2) Nuclear particles of military grade have been found on equipment in Iranian nuclear facilities. That was YEARS ago. They still have not fully accounted for it nor allowed full access to many sites. While they can argue it's a sovereignity issue, for others it's an issue of possibly survival which overtakes issues of sovereignity.
Since the program itself was completely secret until it was suddenly exposed in 2003 I think, it's not like they've been honest in any way or form.
rulllar 3 years ago
Iran isnt going to nuke Israel This is common sense The real issue is the manner in which Iranian nukes will alter the reg. balance of power. Its hypocritical to talk of Iranian honesty Doesnt the world know about Israels nukes because of a whistleblower?
The talk of a threat to survival by media etc serves 2 purposes It creates a consensus where Iran is seen as a threat legitimising war against them In Israel it will create a consensus where the relationship of dependency will have support
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
You are right. Israel opened Dimona as a "textile plant" if I recall. However
1) Israel always called for peace (different story whether it's achieved or not). Iran rejects peace and funds those opposing peace.
2) Just beucase Israel didn't use nukes doesn't mean Iran won't.
3) If it's no threat, why are arabs rushing to develop nuclear power suddenly? Egypt seems terrified and rushing for nuclear power to balance Iran. They never acted that need against Israel even after whistleblower.
rulllar 3 years ago
"Calling for peace" means nothing unless it's acted upon. It's only propagandistic rhetoric (like what's heard from Iran re: Israel) And as that quote I gave you illustrated, Israel isn't in a position to act independently re: war or peace anymore. You're politicians sold out years ago. (The recent anti-Iranian manouvres underline this). Do you realise all this? U talk of America being 'supportive' about withdrawal, as if theyre benign and distant. I'm talking about Isr taking orders from them.
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
I don't understand what you mean. You say Israel sold out on the Iran issue, but you must remember that Israel saw Iran as it's greatest threat since 1990's, long long long before the USA. While the US was still obsessed with Saddam in 1998, Israel was already making plenty of noise in 1995 or earlier. In fact so much noise was made by Peres (i'll try to dig up examples if i can find it), that Netanyahu, the Likud leader, cut back on the loudmouth commentry on Iran when he took over in 96.
rulllar 3 years ago
Can you show me an example of when Israel has rejected acting on peace? I do not mean going to meetings and agreements not coming out because land-swaps, security measures, agreements on all issues etc are very difficult to resolve... but I mean clear proof Israel rejects peace? The closest I've seen is Israel rejecting Syrian offers a year ago. But that was when Syria was under plenty of pressure over Hariri killing and it was seen as a means of not being pressured (e.g. not real attempt).
rulllar 3 years ago
Clear proof Israel rejects peace - a few months ago more recent settlement plans were given the go ahead.
When I say Israeli politicians sold out, I don't mean on the Iran issue. I mean they sold out to become an American proxy in the region. Is this something you are aware of but wouldn't admit publicly, or do you completely disagree with it?
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
which settlement? If you are discussing Jerusalem that is a different story as Israel views all of Jerusalem as it's capital.
In either case, do you know of Yamit? Yamit was one of many (but the biggest) towns and villages Israel built in the sinai desert between 67 and 79 (peace with Egypt). After the peace they dismantled those towns, at great personal cost to those who lived there, many of whom still have traumas of their forced removal.
most settlements can be taken apart if agreed upon.
rulllar 3 years ago
if you use a settlement as "proof" of Israeli disapproval of peace, then I can similarly cling on to any single statement or any single terrorist as proof that Palestinians don't want peace. If anything their education system is the strongest example. Their education of hate to me is much more profound than a few (depending which you are referring to) Israelis moving to the west bank.
On the American proxy - I believe Israel often acts under US interest. But I don't believe it's a proxy.
rulllar 3 years ago
Well you asked for evidence that Israel didn't want peace. I don't know the name of the settlement, I just read it on the BBC site a few months back.
Their "education of hate" is a result of what's going on there, isn't it?
Do you see any danger to Israel in the fact that the US holds such sway over it? Does the relationship hold greater advantages for Israel than it does dangers?
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
I don't feel it shows Israel doesn't want peace. As I mentioned in Yamit there were thousands of people and they were all evacuated. It is not helpful of course as those people intend to stay, otherwise no point doing it, but the gov is the gov. A future deal is a deal.
The hate education i don't think is a reflection. When the greatest prospect of peace existed the education was aweful. That shows intent to create another generation that rejects Israel... very powerful message to radiate.
rulllar 3 years ago
Of course it shows Israel doesn't want peace. Why set up these settlements in the first place? So they can be evacuated later? That's not logical and it's not true either. Lets have a bit of common sense here. It's just grabbing more land in pursuit of a greater Israel. And of course it will encourage even more despair and extremism. A very powerful message to radiate.
What was the education like in Israel? I've heard of examples of racial chauvinism in the Knesset.
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
it doesn't prove that at all. As I've said in Yamit thousands lived and they were all evacuated as part of an agreement. So while you are correct that it sends out a strong message, there is a history of proof that it's not in any way permanent if Israel doesn't will it. Some argue it's to "pressure" Palestinians to agree. I'm not convinced, I think it's a waste of money, but i don't think it destroys possibility or disproves ability of a deal including some of the land with settlements.
rulllar 3 years ago
racial chauvinism? I'd be happy to hear examples. I can't vouch for all the education, but I don't remember anything negative. You could argue some of the cartoons of Beduins were stereotypes, but then where I lived some who dressed exactly like that use to work in the local market once a week, so not sure it's very stereotyped. But that was long ago anyway. I've read that the education is fine, except some obvious overgeneralizations in religious schools (believed to be unintended generalizing)
rulllar 3 years ago
The Knesset has a very lively history, if you will, which includes a number of slurs, accusations and attacks on each sides heritage etc (don't forget there are quite a few arab members). You could argue that people like Feiglin of the Likud, who said that arab culture is inferior is borderline racial (E.g. not the comment, but his intent), but who knows. Kahane was in the knesset but was banned for his actions in relation to arabs.
But equally, there are plenty of obscene outbursts by Arab MKs
rulllar 3 years ago
As for the US question. I'm not sure. The most recent reports in Israel actually say that the US is increasingly concerned about a possible strike on Iran by Israel and are warning Israel not to do it. But Israel has on many occasions acted on it's own. In 67 the 6 day war was run contrary to US demands. The bombing of Iraq's nuclear facilties, 81 was contrary. The US condemned Israeli incursions in the second intifada earlier on. So I'm not sure how strong any sway is in matters of crisis.
rulllar 3 years ago
Please show me where I misinterpreted his words. You claim it, now show it please.
My vid is a follow up to my last vid. It also needs to be read with the links in the notes. The first link shows clearly Iran's intent.
Show me one piece of evidence Israel is beligerent towards Iran.
If you mean the reports about training. Maybe it's true. It's COMPLETELY a response to Iran's threats, which by themselves are legitimate acts of war.
rulllar 3 years ago
Interpreting the words of a Syrian minister talking about a different subject in such an unbelievably alarmist way is flimsy evidence at best and I don't accept it. I've outlined why in an earlier post.
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
Yes but it goes hand in hand with the other video and the notes. Did you read the first link in the notes shakey?
rulllar 3 years ago
Don't forget that Iran's leadership, revolutionary leaders are wanted by interpol in connection with the bombing of the Jewish cultural centre in Argentina. However it's believed Hezbollah actually did it. They produce a proxy army, arm it, train it, fund it and dictate to it and because it's a proxy and not them you let them completely off the hook? Thats not fair at all. They've used it as a military arm to attack Israel and killed many American and Jews using it and caused entire wars.
rulllar 3 years ago
What wars did they cause?
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
I see the IDF was making a show of preparing to bomb Iran the other day. (Source: BBC Teletext). On whose behalf were they acting, one wonders? Any ideas rulllar? The victim tag is starting to look a little bit inappropriate.
shakeystevensVIII 3 years ago
not at all. when one is constantly threatening you it's very appropriate to do all you can to prepare and defend yourself.
Did Israel threaten Iran? No. There was even a semi-peace before the revolution. Since then Iran has decided to threaten Israel with destruction over and over.. there are videos of Ahmadinejad saying "DEATH TO ISRAEL" and the crowd repeating on mass... how can you not be a victim when you are forced in to a confrontation you really didn't want?
rulllar 3 years ago
What the hell?Israel theatens Iran every single day Oo
Just read some Israeli Newspaper
Kamrany 3 years ago
joker. I read Israeli papers - all the major ones, every single day.
You are a bigtime liar.
All the things you term "threats" are actually promises of retaliation.
It's Iran which CONSTANTLY threatns Israel with destruction. See my original vid as well as the 1st and 2nd links in notes. There is no doubt what Iran means and who started the threats.
Remember that it was Iran that broke off relations in 1979, not Israel.
rulllar 3 years ago
Israeli papers are a fucking joke.Israelis are the worst informed people on the planet.You live under mushrooms and feed on shit.Ahmadenijad has never threatened Israel nor denied the holocaust,just more of your Zionist shit.Its Zionism that Ahmadinejad hates and you don,t even have to be Jewish to be a Zionist do you.
robbaggott 3 years ago
Ahmadinejad did not deny the holocaust? forget Israeli papers.. how about Al Jazeera? Is that Israeli to you?
"If somebody in their country questions God, nobody says anything, but if somebody denies the myth of the massacre of Jews, the Zionist loudspeakers and the governments in the pay of Zionism will start to scream."
Because you are slow.. i'll highlight: 'MYTH OF THE MASSACRE OF THE JEWS' - Ahmadinejad
MYTH OF THE MASSACRE.
He denied it.
study before you open your big keyboard-mouth.
rulllar 3 years ago
Your full of shit,Ahmadinejad has never said any such thing.There would not be an Israel or any such thing as a Jew if it were not for Cyrus freeing your sorry asses.There have been Jews in Iran for 2500 years.You,re full of shit,you,re not talking to braindead yanks here.I call you out on your shit.
robbaggott 3 years ago