@Hairysteed If you knew anything about the war and it's causes (which obviously you don't), you'd know that the Confederacy was never an enemy to the United States until they were invaded.
OMG people, Broun is quoting a southern slogan from the Civil War. Broun is NOT saying that it is his own opinion that the Civil War was the great war of Yankee aggression. Don't tell me you didn't hear the little chuckle from someone after he said that. Broun was making fun of that slogan, and at least one person got the joke.
MediaMattersAction should be embarrassed for posting this and revealing their ignorance of history.
Everything else is fine Watergate, Iran Contra and Afghanistan war with Republicans. When it comes down to social programs they are against all measure, really? Richard Nixon push for universal healthcare in the 1970's along with his Republican counters? Nixon quoted in his 1974 State of Union, "The time is at hand this year to bring comprehensive, high quality health care within the reach of every American.” It looks like Republicans are the socialist flip floping Marxist.
@tpajason - I'm saddened that anyone could possibly believe that the US Civil War was not about slavery long before 1863. I recommend you read up on the conflicts and compromises that took place in the decades leading up to the war. There were free states and slave states, there were new territories being opened up in the west and the balance was a continual bone of contention between the north and the south. Slavery was an awful institution that the southerners pronounced as a right. Lincoln!
@AllHailDiscordia It was about money and control just like every war that has been faught. Read Lincolns own letters and you will see he was not for freeing slaves but rather preserving the union... his own words. Slavery was wrong and a black eye for our nation. But regardless you had the North telling the South how they would conduct their business and how much they would pay in taxes. The South was debt free. They wanted Southern money and commerce. A repeat of what England did to the colonie
@Hippolf Well secession was a constitutional right according to our founding fathers. So why did abr stop it by force. And why did he only set slave free in the South? Who cares what the war was fought over, it was fought and alot of poor people on both sides died. Men who had no slaves and that wer every poor, used by rich assholes on both sides to acheive their own personal goals. By the way im a southern boy and I have 3 College degrees, a 3.94 GPA and a 141 IQ!! Whats you got sucka?
Lincoln took the high round, repeatedly during the rebellion by the south. He tried to console, compromise and appease them before and after hostilities broke out. He even personally met with leaders of the confederates during the war in the hopes of ceasing the carnage; but they would not relinquish their hold on slavery and the deaths continued until the north was finally successful in restoring the union.
The war is over. The victors, while not free of mistakes, helped forge a better nation.
I happen to know a great deal about history and US history in particular. The civil war was largely fought due to the scourge of slavery. Our founding fathers left the issue of slavery unsettled for posterity.
This was not a war of Yankee aggression. The conferates fired the first shot at Fort Sumter. The economy of the south was unsustainable - even with an enslaved labor force.
To deny that slavery was the key reason for the civil war is ignorant and offensive. Please read a book.
@AllHailDiscordia Try reading Lincoln's first inaugural address or his letter to Horace Greeley where he states he didn't care if one slave was set free but only about preserving the union. Lincoln refused to negotiate with South Carolina to allow them to buy back Ft. Sumter and kept a military force stationed within their waters. Ft. Sumter was 500 miles from the closest northern state and thus not needed for "common defense".
He is also on record as stating that he sent the supply ships to provoke the South into an incident. He knew he did not have support for his desired war without something to spark emotions and get people behind him. Your ignorance is offensive.
@AllHailDiscordia, you're right. The Confederates fired the first shot in response to a previously committed act of war. Upon ordering the Yankees to leave Ft. Sumter, which was sovereign South Carolinian soil at the time, Lincoln sent them supplies and ammunition. Fortifying a position on another nations soil is an act of war. SC retaliated. Upon Southern secession, Lincoln was asked why he wouldn't let them go. He replied "who will pay for the government?" Yes. They were the aggressors.
@AllHailDiscordia, also the war was not over slavery until Lincoln pressed the issue in 1863 for political reasons. Northern support was lacking due to countless defeats. He needed a rallying cry and a reason to make the European powers not support the Confederacy. 95% of Confederate troops did not own slaves or even cared about fighting for them one way or the other. There were just as many black Confederate regiments as Union. This isn't taught, though. Victors write the history books.
States rights are origionally what stood up against Slavery.... Unfortunately the Fed had to finish the job.... After which the Fed abused the constitution using examples such as slavery to justify its oversteps in other areas completely void of merit....
Uhm weren't Confederates the ones to fire the opening shots of the civil war? I wouldn't really call that "yankee aggression" since before that there was ongoing peaceful attempts to end the war. Anyways, it's a same the Republican party has turned down this path to stupidity. The great party that was meant to keep the ideals of classical liberalism alive is now full of bible thumping hateful lunatics. Sorry, but I'll take social democracy any day over a theocracy.
Th great war of Yankee aggression. There never was one of those. There was a war because some idiots in the south enslaved a population of innocent blacks and expected to hold them in bondage forever.
God bless the south, especially Alabama. Civil war wasn't just about slavery. If I was alive back then, I would have been fighting like hell with all the other rebels scaring the shit out of those yankees with the "Rebel Yell". They sure gave them a hellofa fight..
WOW... JUST WOW. Surprises and then doesn't, being from the North and having lived in the South. But there is racism and hatred and ignorance everywhere.
The Civil war was about England needing to pay back the Rothschild Banksters and needing South's Cotton in order to run their textile industry to pay back that very loan. The Rothschild gained complete control over the English economy when they lied about Napoleon winning the War. The stock market almost crashed and they went in and bought everything up. When the news that Napoleon had in fact won, the stock market shot up and the Rothschild sold back their stocks with interest. Death to the NWO
@dejahthoris Instead of reverting back to child hood with nonsensical remarks. Try engaging in some debate to disprove what I said. Oh that's right, your mentally incapable r just too lazy to do that...? Guess you're unfamiliar with the old classic film titled "House of Rothschild" I suggest you watch it, good flik.
I actually caught this little bit on the live coverage on MSNBC and it made me do a massive facepalm. I know that the Civil War wasn't North=NotRacist=GoodGuysLol, but at the same time.... damn.
You guys... haha. Always making it seem like the Civil War was fought over slaves. It was fought over States' Rights... Like the States' Right to own slaves.
@a5dr3 Well except for the fact that the Confederacy fired the first shot, and started the war. The South was never denied the ability to succeed, they just paid the price for it.
Hey, this guy seems pretty alright to me. Not afraid to speak the truth about our history. Just for that, I would vote for him, but alas, I am not in his district.
@kurtcobain628 the cause of the civil war had nothing to do with slavery... freeing the slaves were just added as an afterthought by lincoln in order to get the south to surrender; go read the emancipation proclamation and see for yourself...
Even though the Democratic party started the KKK in an attempt to terrorize Republican Abolitionists from passing Civil Rights Legislation after the war.
@ThreeCatsScratching whats your point; i never said there was no racism on the part of the south, i was just making the point that the civil war began as a means to preserve the union, not to end slavery...
@AgentOrange04 Right, because just wanting to keep other human beings as slaves doesn't mean you have any prejudice against them. You'd do the same to your own mother, no doubt.
well technically he is right, the states have the right to secede from the union if they want and the invasion of the north was a result of the north fearing the loss of tax money and agriculture. of course text books will sugar coat it and say that Lincoln wanted to free the slaves when really he didnt care about slavery in the south. he just didnt want it to spread out westward.
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Rep. Broun, you should have compared that "free insurance card" not to Confederate money, but to your college diploma as it appears THAT, in fact, is a worthless document. "Yankee aggression"? Sir, you are an embarrassment to this country.
@lareineleveut - I was going to say something very similar. This guy is the representative from my district in GA, and it is an enduring embarrassment.
Thats like me saying "It was the then current republican President (I think his name was Abraham Lincoln) wanted half of all Americans dead and so ingeniously found away for them to attack themselves."
Some of you need to do some research on the civil war. The aggression was started and the first shot was fired by the South... It wasn't just mere succession that caused the war, the South wanted the war even more than the North did.
since obama has gotten elected we have seen republicans unmasked themselves as SECESSIONISTS and now CONFEDERATE SYMPATHIZERS....this shit is fuckin outrageous....open anti-american assholes....not to mention the blatant and provable lies
As a person who has lives in a country which has had socialised medicine for the last 62 years, I really cannot believe that it is 2010 and the United States is still so far behind when it comes to keeping its citizens healthy and not bankrupting them whem they need medical help. You need to go to the third world to find a more fucked up system, and even then you have look hard.
when i register to vote i didn't want to pick a party and i have voted Republican a few time,but never again one party vote from now on. the GOP and the broken party you wanted the Stormfront ppl now you have them.remember the old say you braek it you own it
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@houstonrockets616 well houston, i'm not upset about it, you see we won the war. it's you southerners who have to bring it up at every opportunity. why us that. most americans look at ww2 as the biggest war, however you bitter, ignorant, intolerant "christian"southern bigots think the civil war is america's biggest. so much for the ability to measure history. but, to remind you houston, we have a name for you bigots, and it's called LOSER!
@wntoply6 Well, "Chuck" it seems to me you hold people from the south in great contempt. I have noticed you are from Boston, MA. A town full of many elitist, pompous, arrogant snobs who do not know the difference between their left and right tit. Here's also a history lesson for you. The Civil War had the most Americans deaths in it, not World War II. But HEY! You're from the great intellectual wasteland that is the Northeast.
@wntoply6@wntoply6 I digress... but let me make you look like a bigger dumbass... It prides me much, you see. We here, sir, if you ever actually knew or lived in the South, are not bitter, ignorant, or intolerant. You seem to believe no one has gotten out of the Civil Rights era. Something I here daily from liberal elitists such as yourself.
@wntoply6@wntoply6 Another thing, you claim yourself to be an "activist judge". Lmao, what a joke. I am not even Christian, as many people here are not. You may want to think about changing your Youtube profession after that little debacle. I also get the impression that you have this very stereotypical penchant for calling someone you disagree with a bigot.
@wntoply6 How unfortunate for those who really are. I'm sure you had loving parents... but it aches me to tell you that even YOU are an embarrassment to the city of Boston.
lol as if you lived in slavery ? It um was not just over slavery though that was a cause of a bunch of white brothers and cousins killin each other and now they want to talk shit, (some of them) about whites ...everyone has their own point of view but islam was ultimately responsible for selling blacks out of africa, I hate religions
lol why doesn't the south just succeed from the union? clearly the opposition is based in religion, southerners being heavily religious and northerners being heavily progressive....seriously, democracy was started in the north and clearly the south is STILL resisting civil liberty...just succeed already, you can pay for your own hurricane relief, border patrol and heart disease (yes Texas, i'm talking about you).
@gofudgeyourselfx we would gladly oblige but you see thats what the civil war was all about you Yankees won't let us succeed democracy was started in Grece and we are all about liberty in the south it's you Yankees that are always making up rules for everyone and we could take care of ourselves just fine if we didn't have to pay for all the govt programs you guys dream up
It's a lot more complicated than that. Sorry. Your simplification and willingness to accept broad stereotypes makes you just as ignorant as the "southerners" you speak of.
@wntoply6 Because I suggested that you think before you speak, you're now just assuming I'm Christian, Southern, Republican and filled with hate? None of those apply to me.
Let me repeat what I said before: Your simplification and willingness to accept broad stereotypes makes you just as ignorant as the "southerners" you speak of.
@doctorpsycho1960: Come on...really do you have to do that? Treason in Defense of Slavery...it is part of the US shared history...just learn from it and don't repeat history, but don't be horrible like that...you are talking about a generation of people who this was their way of life...how do you refer to the English?...they started the slave trade.
@maidenshadows I am less concerned about the "lost way of life" of the slave-whipping parasites than I am about the African slaves who lost their free way of life, and the generations of their descendants who were forced to endure a certain quaint "way of life" not of their choosing.
@doctorpsycho1960 Dude, you seem to know nothing of the slave trade back then. The Aricans that were sold into slavery were sold originally by fellow Africans. Maybe you should check out the Arabic slave trade before you call americans slave whipping parasites.Saudi Arabia did not outlaw slavery untill 1967. No slave decendants.They were all castrated.
@sprayman0 So Arabs sold African slaves to America -- so what? How does that excuse Americans for practicing slavery, and the most degrading and miserable form of slavery in all of human history, an atrocity not to be surpassed until the 20th Century?
"the great war of Yankee aggression?" Are you kidding me? So going to war to stop slavery and unifying the nation is called Yankee aggression? What a POS this guy is
Well said. It might surprise many people to know that Lincoln himself was a well known racist. He felt that the free slaves would have no place in the "New America." He even held a meeting in the White House with several prominent African Americans in an attempt to persuade them to lead a movement of their people back to Africa. Its a total fallacy to believe Lincoln and the north ever gave a shit about the slaves.
Mr. Brown you need to check your family tree. I was taught up north that the slaves had no last names so they picked presidents and colors as names! BROWN!
Rep Paul Broun does NOT understand history. If he is a representative of Georgia, I fear for the future of our democracy. These kinds of statements does not help mend the fractured constituency existing in the US. As I have mentioned on so many other sites, I can assure, after having read the bill along with the CBO's assessment, this bill does not amount to real reform. Yes, there will be some level of governmental oversight, but no take over as so many GOP members suggest.
your right it doesn't amount to real reform thats kinda our point it amounts to forcing us to buy insurance through govt mandates and it's a stepping stone to more mandates for doctors, hospitals and the entire health care industry
@getnick77 In fact some of those state sweet heart deals you hear about are direct funding to hospitals that serve specific population. As far as insurance mandates, in so far as looking unconstitutional, there is a logic to the madness. It is assumed that at some time in you life you will access the health care system. The idea is that you not lay a financial burden on it. If you do someone has to pay. Who? The insured. Is that fair?
@getnick77 fron what I read in the CBO report the FL and NE deal are not going to be part the final deal. For sure the NE deal. You are fortunate to have such a physician, many us are not as fortunate. Hospitals will not be so kind. I will not disagree with you that over testing and over treatment is a problem. Aside from that a typical trip to the ER cost between 500 to 7000. If you cannot settle payment on discharge (as hospitals require), who pays? Folks like myself who are insured.
and it was $500 dollars I set up a payment plan to pay the bill in
3 payments and I was told at the time that I could make pyments of $25 a month so what your really talking about are people that just don't pay their bills
and every company has to deal with that
what they should do is refuse to treat people that refuse to
make reasonable monthly payments and stop treating people in ers for things that aren't emergencies
@getnick77 Again you are fortunate. I spent a 6-hour stint in the ER and one day on a floor in the Hospital. I have insurance, yet they required that I settle payment at the time of discharge. If all physician and hospitals who treated you would work the same for the rest of us, I would say that HC reform is unnecessary, but that is not the case. I have also worked in Hospitals and know all to well how they function in terms of issues concerning payments and treatments.
@getnick77 No, they wanted payment in full. Again, not all hospitals and doctors function the same. What they can do and hospitals do is file law suits to collect payment. I know of people who have had garnished wages or having to take out mortgage size loans in which to settle. Most of them had insurance. Most hospitals having operating funds close to cusp of intake of funds, they cannot afford delayed payment. Again you are fortunate.
@getnick77 Let me state again, hospitals do not hold patients (this is not a legitimate argument), but if they require payment in full and you don't they fill a lawsuit for payment. The courts then go after the payee in the way of garnished wages, etc (as I have stated). The car payment and cable argument is red herring, because no one requires you to own either, but as this discourse began, it is estimated that everyone at sometime will access the health care industry.
me they will not sue you if you set up a monthly payment plan it would cost too much and everyone will at sometime in their life access a grocery store or some kind
of shelter do you think that the govt should
tell you where you should live or what
kind of food you can buy because that is coming
if the costs of this get too high they will outlaw sodas
@getnick77 Not all hospitals operate the same. Some do not set up payments as your hospital did for you. If I were to have a 50K settlement (as I have seen) that means I will need to settle right up front. How many people do you think have this kind of cash sitting around? So you propose a payment plan bill? That is fine if hospitals could afford delayed payment. They could if government subsidized them (requires a tax). I would be for it, but it would still cost us.
@getnick77 Finally my point exactly (to your last point), hospitals cannot afford to be charity wards if they expect to provide high quality health care and therefore need all to pay into the system If we don't require people to buy into a system they are very likely to access at sometime in their life, what do you propose be done?
@kamanu47 and my point is hospitals need to stop providing nonessential services to people that don't pay every state in the US has medicaid and free clinics but people don't use them because they make too much money to qualify or some just don't want to wait in line please see post about the kid with the sniffles now someone paid $500 or more for that kid to get a script for antibiotics whereas my doctor would have charged $70 and if he was poor the health dept would have paid it
@getnick77 so if I do not have insurance, I would need to take off from work to wait in a clinic ALL DAY to get care? that is extremely inefficient. Also you are ascending to the essence of gaining health care being a privilege. so the rich get great care and the rest of us have to use overcrowded free clinics? so the rich get preventative care and the rest of us are triaged? I am not assailing my opinion to be correct. I just question whether this is a system we should not try to fix.
@getnick77 wow, amazing going back to the car argument again. Really not the same. Ok, so you obviously have never accessed care through a free clinic. I can assure you having worked in the medical care industry, It is isn't as you think it is. I am not suggesting there are not abuses in the system, but having dealt with the system on both ends I can tell you that it is not so humanitarian as you suggest. It is obvious we will never agree, still important to keep these discussion alive.
@getnick77 a lot of people work hard but still do not have access to health care you have. Be very careful in assuming that this is a bill is all about providing free health care to a bunch of lazy people, that is not what is in play. We have a complex society and everyone has their story as you have. The bill tries to provide people like you some sense of security that if (I hope it does not happen) a catastrophic illness hits you, that you will maintain financial security.
@getnick77 Knowing that we will never convince each other of our arguments, I will make this as a final statement. If you choose to have a final word, that is Ok. As I stated, peoples lives are more complex than the examples you suggest. If I cannot get insurance then I can get Medicaid, is not always the case. I have seen this first hand. Folks like us and those around the country will continue to have the fundamental ideological difference that make neither of us wrong.
@kamanu47 re the car argument yes the same you and I already provide free health care because we work and pay taxes being poor isn't supposed to be easy it's supposed to be incentive to stay in school and work hard to make a better life for yourself if we continue to give everyone free stuff that incentive is gone no one is going to die in this country for lack of insurance unless they can already afford it and choose not to buy it between SSI, medicare, free clinics and so much private stuff
@getnick77 Ok, so from my experience having worked in the industry. Over testing and treating comes from defensive care, but also sofrom consumer demands. When you have a loved one in need, you expect the medical professionals to do all they can and that often will be a larger factor in driving the "over care." The other argument would be to limit (ration) care. Not sure what you want to or expect out of the system. These services are expensive on their own aside from what you argue.
@getnick77 you assume you know the mind of a "lot of people." I am not suggesting that there are not abuses in the system, however I am reluctant to support your statement as to the mind of individuals. Again we will not agree based on ideology. You feel medial care is a privilege where I see it as a right. We will continue to quip back and forth that is fine, but it has done little to change my position.
You represent how ignorant people are,the war was'nt to just preserve the union dumbass, lincoln was against slavery an the south wanted slavery to be apart of there gov, slavery was a strong reason for the south's rebellion they enslave minorities an force them into labor the north was against that so yes dumbfuck slavery played a important role/reason in the civil war finish your education clusterfuck
@SadCarnage1224 the south did not rebel until they were attacked for trying to secede the Union had no right to outlaw slavery for all the states without passing an amendment to the constitution the emancipation proclaimation was unconstitutional
This is why republicans can no longer claim to be the party of lincoln. They virtually have nothing in common with past republicans.
TheCaliCapitalist 4 months ago
did he let one rip at the end...that why he chuckled, i think he was not joking' just tryna camouflage a fart
sstruyf89 6 months ago
Finally someone who knows history and calls the war for what it was.
GunnyDeuce 7 months ago
@GunnyDeuce Well said Gunny
jardail 4 months ago
It's the 150th anniversary of the first shots of the Civil War.
Congressman Broun, as someone who's close to people in the medical profession, I have to say your heartlessness is such an ugly site to see.
You have the heart of a traitor.
The Civil War was the greatest exercise in anti-Americanism.
Congressman, GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY!!!
ultraback29 9 months ago
@ultraback29 His ancestors tried to do that once and the great liar Lincoln wouldn't let them.
jardail 4 months ago
Finally a good Southern Representative who knows his history!
AlabamaCSA 10 months ago
In Paul Broun's dream world, Obama would be picking cottong on Broun's plantation.
toddsmitts 10 months ago
Why the fuck is an ENEMY OF THE STATE in the house of representatives?!?
Yes! The Confederacy is an ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES!!
Hairysteed 11 months ago
@Hairysteed If you knew anything about the war and it's causes (which obviously you don't), you'd know that the Confederacy was never an enemy to the United States until they were invaded.
jardail 4 months ago
OMG people, Broun is quoting a southern slogan from the Civil War. Broun is NOT saying that it is his own opinion that the Civil War was the great war of Yankee aggression. Don't tell me you didn't hear the little chuckle from someone after he said that. Broun was making fun of that slogan, and at least one person got the joke.
MediaMattersAction should be embarrassed for posting this and revealing their ignorance of history.
Jonno2summit 11 months ago
Im glad those Yanks attacked those backward, barbaric peoples who inhabited the South. This is a very UnAmerican comment.
Leahcim506 11 months ago
ALL Republicans & Neocons are Mentally Ill Criminals
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Republicans & Neocons are ALL Mentally Ill (Science & Research proves they are All Dangerous)
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halcyon0830 11 months ago
Everything else is fine Watergate, Iran Contra and Afghanistan war with Republicans. When it comes down to social programs they are against all measure, really? Richard Nixon push for universal healthcare in the 1970's along with his Republican counters? Nixon quoted in his 1974 State of Union, "The time is at hand this year to bring comprehensive, high quality health care within the reach of every American.” It looks like Republicans are the socialist flip floping Marxist.
zjones1222 1 year ago
why man, really?
dom44444 1 year ago
Awesome.
twonoughts 1 year ago
@tpajason - I'm saddened that anyone could possibly believe that the US Civil War was not about slavery long before 1863. I recommend you read up on the conflicts and compromises that took place in the decades leading up to the war. There were free states and slave states, there were new territories being opened up in the west and the balance was a continual bone of contention between the north and the south. Slavery was an awful institution that the southerners pronounced as a right. Lincoln!
AllHailDiscordia 1 year ago
@AllHailDiscordia It was about money and control just like every war that has been faught. Read Lincolns own letters and you will see he was not for freeing slaves but rather preserving the union... his own words. Slavery was wrong and a black eye for our nation. But regardless you had the North telling the South how they would conduct their business and how much they would pay in taxes. The South was debt free. They wanted Southern money and commerce. A repeat of what England did to the colonie
JoezVendetta 11 months ago
I sort of want to just let the South secede. If they go, the collective IQ of the US will double.
Hippolf 1 year ago
@Hippolf Well secession was a constitutional right according to our founding fathers. So why did abr stop it by force. And why did he only set slave free in the South? Who cares what the war was fought over, it was fought and alot of poor people on both sides died. Men who had no slaves and that wer every poor, used by rich assholes on both sides to acheive their own personal goals. By the way im a southern boy and I have 3 College degrees, a 3.94 GPA and a 141 IQ!! Whats you got sucka?
JoezVendetta 1 year ago
@JoezVendetta Whats you got sucka....yeah thats just a 141IQ person would type.
TigerRifle1 11 months ago
Actually, this is an accurate phrase for anyone who approaches the subject from an objective viewpoint, rather than with a preconceived bias.
advtvl 1 year ago 2
haha yankee fags, cant keep the truth from everyone
RichmondVAbuzz 1 year ago 2
I WILL VOTE FOR HIM THAT WA AWESOME. STICK IT TO THEM
TIBET HAD SLAVERY BUT LIBERALS LOVE THEM. DICTATOR LAMA IS OBAMA'S FRIEND
sgsfdgfsdfsdfsddf 1 year ago 2
He's clearly joking. Yes, a crappy joke indeed, but I can't believe some of you actually believe he's serious here.
chrstop87 1 year ago
Lincoln took the high round, repeatedly during the rebellion by the south. He tried to console, compromise and appease them before and after hostilities broke out. He even personally met with leaders of the confederates during the war in the hopes of ceasing the carnage; but they would not relinquish their hold on slavery and the deaths continued until the north was finally successful in restoring the union.
The war is over. The victors, while not free of mistakes, helped forge a better nation.
AllHailDiscordia 1 year ago
I happen to know a great deal about history and US history in particular. The civil war was largely fought due to the scourge of slavery. Our founding fathers left the issue of slavery unsettled for posterity.
This was not a war of Yankee aggression. The conferates fired the first shot at Fort Sumter. The economy of the south was unsustainable - even with an enslaved labor force.
To deny that slavery was the key reason for the civil war is ignorant and offensive. Please read a book.
AllHailDiscordia 1 year ago
@AllHailDiscordia Try reading Lincoln's first inaugural address or his letter to Horace Greeley where he states he didn't care if one slave was set free but only about preserving the union. Lincoln refused to negotiate with South Carolina to allow them to buy back Ft. Sumter and kept a military force stationed within their waters. Ft. Sumter was 500 miles from the closest northern state and thus not needed for "common defense".
1badmonster 1 year ago
He is also on record as stating that he sent the supply ships to provoke the South into an incident. He knew he did not have support for his desired war without something to spark emotions and get people behind him. Your ignorance is offensive.
1badmonster 1 year ago 3
@1badmonster Yep. Too many people are clueless about the history but this is correct.
eesloan4 1 year ago
@AllHailDiscordia, you're right. The Confederates fired the first shot in response to a previously committed act of war. Upon ordering the Yankees to leave Ft. Sumter, which was sovereign South Carolinian soil at the time, Lincoln sent them supplies and ammunition. Fortifying a position on another nations soil is an act of war. SC retaliated. Upon Southern secession, Lincoln was asked why he wouldn't let them go. He replied "who will pay for the government?" Yes. They were the aggressors.
tpajason 1 year ago
@AllHailDiscordia, also the war was not over slavery until Lincoln pressed the issue in 1863 for political reasons. Northern support was lacking due to countless defeats. He needed a rallying cry and a reason to make the European powers not support the Confederacy. 95% of Confederate troops did not own slaves or even cared about fighting for them one way or the other. There were just as many black Confederate regiments as Union. This isn't taught, though. Victors write the history books.
tpajason 1 year ago
sprayman wrote to me:
@AllHailDiscordia You apparently know nothing of history. The war had very little to do with slavery.
Excuse me. I happen to know a great deal about history and US history in
AllHailDiscordia 1 year ago
States rights are origionally what stood up against Slavery.... Unfortunately the Fed had to finish the job.... After which the Fed abused the constitution using examples such as slavery to justify its oversteps in other areas completely void of merit....
soliloqy 1 year ago
What isnt true???
sprayman0 1 year ago
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What isnt true???
sprayman0 1 year ago
What isnt true???
sprayman0 1 year ago
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What isnt true???
sprayman0 1 year ago
What isnt true???
sprayman0 1 year ago
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cagwa 1 year ago
Uhm weren't Confederates the ones to fire the opening shots of the civil war? I wouldn't really call that "yankee aggression" since before that there was ongoing peaceful attempts to end the war. Anyways, it's a same the Republican party has turned down this path to stupidity. The great party that was meant to keep the ideals of classical liberalism alive is now full of bible thumping hateful lunatics. Sorry, but I'll take social democracy any day over a theocracy.
Mrarmageddon8 1 year ago
Th great war of Yankee aggression. There never was one of those. There was a war because some idiots in the south enslaved a population of innocent blacks and expected to hold them in bondage forever.
What a small minded bigot.
He is a true GOP'er.
AllHailDiscordia 1 year ago 2
@AllHailDiscordia You apparently know nothing of history. The war had very little to do with slavery.
sprayman0 1 year ago
@sprayman0 Slavery apologists always say that. It still isn't true.
doctorpsycho1960 1 year ago
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@AllHailDiscordia You apparently know nothing of history. The war had very little to do with slavery.
sprayman0 1 year ago
Why is this guy in this country's House of Representatives, since he obviously resents being a part of it.
kcaj789 1 year ago
Republicans are dicks
BigLSexo2 1 year ago
This video just shows that even after 145 years, how long standing and how deep racial bigotry goes in the south.
smartin807 1 year ago 2
@chromacopy365 amen. I am in Georgia and they are deeply cutting education. They want more stupid people (Republicans)
dejahthoris 1 year ago
God bless the south, especially Alabama. Civil war wasn't just about slavery. If I was alive back then, I would have been fighting like hell with all the other rebels scaring the shit out of those yankees with the "Rebel Yell". They sure gave them a hellofa fight..
mesa401 1 year ago
@mesa401 And then they lost, and they're still bragging about what a good fight they put up. Give it a rest.
doctorpsycho1960 1 year ago
@mesa401 Yeah, and still lost. Get over it.
Kravis63 1 year ago
WOW... JUST WOW. Surprises and then doesn't, being from the North and having lived in the South. But there is racism and hatred and ignorance everywhere.
dejahthoris 1 year ago
Yeah I was ready to get all pissed about this being a GA resident but it appears to me to be just a joke.
JaySoap 1 year ago
i live in the south to, im convinced its bad genes, people down here have tiny brains, and do things like pick their ass and sniff their fingers
truchrishill 1 year ago
Hey I just found out that pre-existing conditions for children won't be allowed to be denied by Ins companies starting in Sept.
This means I can cancel all five of my children's current insurance and just get insurance for me.
If one of my kids gets cancer, I just sign up for insurance and boom I get all the bills paid.
Problem: insurance companies will either raise rates or go bankrupt.
O yeah that's part of Obama's plan to implement a government insurance company.
Don't libs see this.
MaHaRushie 1 year ago
@MaHaRushie They'd raise your rates just for being a dumb ass and canceling you children's insurance insurance. Conservatives are so simple minded.
DOMINATE31 1 year ago
Oh yeah the old dumb ass rider. I forgot that. Do you have a real argument?
MaHaRushie 1 year ago
@DOMINATE31 NO really why wouldn't it work?
MaHaRushie 1 year ago
@MaHaRushie
i have no problem with seeing those companies go under.
side1981 1 year ago
Traitor to our Union.
afkstudio 1 year ago
really???
what about all that slavery stuff????
GOP would love to repeal that amendment.
treid100182 1 year ago
The Civil war was about England needing to pay back the Rothschild Banksters and needing South's Cotton in order to run their textile industry to pay back that very loan. The Rothschild gained complete control over the English economy when they lied about Napoleon winning the War. The stock market almost crashed and they went in and bought everything up. When the news that Napoleon had in fact won, the stock market shot up and the Rothschild sold back their stocks with interest. Death to the NWO
BankstersR4Communism 1 year ago
*Napoleon had in fact lost~
BankstersR4Communism 1 year ago
@BankstersR4Communism You better readjust your tinfoil hat. I am able to read some of your thoughts.
dejahthoris 1 year ago
@dejahthoris Instead of reverting back to child hood with nonsensical remarks. Try engaging in some debate to disprove what I said. Oh that's right, your mentally incapable r just too lazy to do that...? Guess you're unfamiliar with the old classic film titled "House of Rothschild" I suggest you watch it, good flik.
BankstersR4Communism 1 year ago
Oh no a man told a joke!
clearlypellucid 1 year ago
I actually caught this little bit on the live coverage on MSNBC and it made me do a massive facepalm. I know that the Civil War wasn't North=NotRacist=GoodGuysLol, but at the same time.... damn.
HuntrBlackLuna 1 year ago
Is this guy for real? He even laughed as though he couldn't even believe that came out of his mouth
rich072000 1 year ago
You guys... haha. Always making it seem like the Civil War was fought over slaves. It was fought over States' Rights... Like the States' Right to own slaves.
GenoPeppino 1 year ago
joke....
anoob41 1 year ago 2
He's absolutely correct. If you disagree your brainwashed and don't know history. period
a5dr3 1 year ago
@a5dr3 Well except for the fact that the Confederacy fired the first shot, and started the war. The South was never denied the ability to succeed, they just paid the price for it.
Kravis63 1 year ago
Hey, this guy seems pretty alright to me. Not afraid to speak the truth about our history. Just for that, I would vote for him, but alas, I am not in his district.
sprtssmartsdude 1 year ago
WTF
thebaj1771 1 year ago
whats with all the talk about racism here; the civil war was never even about racism...
AgentOrange04 1 year ago 2
that's one of the reasons the war started because of slavery
kurtcobain628 1 year ago
@kurtcobain628 the cause of the civil war had nothing to do with slavery... freeing the slaves were just added as an afterthought by lincoln in order to get the south to surrender; go read the emancipation proclamation and see for yourself...
AgentOrange04 1 year ago
@AgentOrange04 wow you are so stupid!!!
StormyWeather21 1 year ago
@StormyWeather21 go back and finish your high school education...
AgentOrange04 1 year ago
Even though the Democratic party started the KKK in an attempt to terrorize Republican Abolitionists from passing Civil Rights Legislation after the war.
ThreeCatsScratching 1 year ago
@ThreeCatsScratching whats your point; i never said there was no racism on the part of the south, i was just making the point that the civil war began as a means to preserve the union, not to end slavery...
AgentOrange04 1 year ago
@AgentOrange04 Right, because just wanting to keep other human beings as slaves doesn't mean you have any prejudice against them. You'd do the same to your own mother, no doubt.
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FailJunkies 1 year ago
Wow, the right is retarded
MrEmaximous 1 year ago
well technically he is right, the states have the right to secede from the union if they want and the invasion of the north was a result of the north fearing the loss of tax money and agriculture. of course text books will sugar coat it and say that Lincoln wanted to free the slaves when really he didnt care about slavery in the south. he just didnt want it to spread out westward.
anryth 1 year ago 3
Zagiel666 1 year ago 2
Was I the only one that heard him chuckle at the end? It was a joke based on sarcasm.
marshald1983 1 year ago
still bitter huh?
baihbalm 1 year ago
And I guess he believes that the civil rights protests of the 1960's were the "uprising of uppity niggers"?
RNC=KKK
biggiejeffrey 1 year ago 18
Rep. Broun, you should have compared that "free insurance card" not to Confederate money, but to your college diploma as it appears THAT, in fact, is a worthless document. "Yankee aggression"? Sir, you are an embarrassment to this country.
lareineleveut 1 year ago 10
@lareineleveut - I was going to say something very similar. This guy is the representative from my district in GA, and it is an enduring embarrassment.
monroeward 11 months ago
Hearing this now it makes sense to me why the Republicans keep loosing ground and the support of people.
Yankee aggression? That has to be one of the lamest analogies I've ever heard.
DocRocz 1 year ago
Alright yanks, let's go arm some bears
Demevon 1 year ago
what "free insurance card' is this clown talking about?
micahgee 1 year ago
Yeah because the North attacked a US military base.
Konform2zoidberg 1 year ago 2
SOMEBODY WANNA TELL HIM THE CIVIL WAR IS OVER AND THEY LOST?
lol
oehieze 1 year ago 3
@oehieze
not to mention the south lost horribly...
Funny how these clowns want to repeat some of the worst events of American history.
micahgee 1 year ago
Thats like me saying "It was the then current republican President (I think his name was Abraham Lincoln) wanted half of all Americans dead and so ingeniously found away for them to attack themselves."
thewritt 1 year ago
This man does not deserve to represent any citizen of this country. How do doofuses like this get elected?
heavyboxes 1 year ago
Some of you need to do some research on the civil war. The aggression was started and the first shot was fired by the South... It wasn't just mere succession that caused the war, the South wanted the war even more than the North did.
ramsfan8588 1 year ago 3
since obama has gotten elected we have seen republicans unmasked themselves as SECESSIONISTS and now CONFEDERATE SYMPATHIZERS....this shit is fuckin outrageous....open anti-american assholes....not to mention the blatant and provable lies
jshooper 1 year ago 5
Disgusting. Embarrassing. Pathetic.
petenice666 1 year ago 2
As a person who has lives in a country which has had socialised medicine for the last 62 years, I really cannot believe that it is 2010 and the United States is still so far behind when it comes to keeping its citizens healthy and not bankrupting them whem they need medical help. You need to go to the third world to find a more fucked up system, and even then you have look hard.
Experiment47 1 year ago
Maybe there should be another civil war? Let the South get their asses kicked again.
vkeightyfive 1 year ago
when i register to vote i didn't want to pick a party and i have voted Republican a few time,but never again one party vote from now on. the GOP and the broken party you wanted the Stormfront ppl now you have them.remember the old say you braek it you own it
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FailJunkies 1 year ago
Should have let them secede IMHO.
Good fukken riddance too it would have been.
TwiztedDezign 1 year ago
I don't see what everyone is raving about... This guy is right, it was Yankee aggression... Why is everyone upset? lol
houstonrockets616 1 year ago
wntoply6 1 year ago
@wntoply6 Well, "Chuck" it seems to me you hold people from the south in great contempt. I have noticed you are from Boston, MA. A town full of many elitist, pompous, arrogant snobs who do not know the difference between their left and right tit. Here's also a history lesson for you. The Civil War had the most Americans deaths in it, not World War II. But HEY! You're from the great intellectual wasteland that is the Northeast.
houstonrockets616 1 year ago
@wntoply6 @wntoply6 I digress... but let me make you look like a bigger dumbass... It prides me much, you see. We here, sir, if you ever actually knew or lived in the South, are not bitter, ignorant, or intolerant. You seem to believe no one has gotten out of the Civil Rights era. Something I here daily from liberal elitists such as yourself.
houstonrockets616 1 year ago
@wntoply6 @wntoply6 Another thing, you claim yourself to be an "activist judge". Lmao, what a joke. I am not even Christian, as many people here are not. You may want to think about changing your Youtube profession after that little debacle. I also get the impression that you have this very stereotypical penchant for calling someone you disagree with a bigot.
houstonrockets616 1 year ago
@wntoply6 How unfortunate for those who really are. I'm sure you had loving parents... but it aches me to tell you that even YOU are an embarrassment to the city of Boston.
Thank you and have a lovely evening.
houstonrockets616 1 year ago
I live in the south and they are bitter, ignorant, and intolerant. General Sherman stopped to soon
richardmulroy 1 year ago
@richardmulroy you sir are my hero.
bucsowneveryone 1 year ago
bigot
MaHaRushie 1 year ago
@richardmulroy Lol liberal troll. I believe you were hinting at too*. I'm not too worried about a transplanted yankee such as yourself's opinion.
Have a nice day anyway... since we are so bitter.
houstonrockets616 1 year ago
@richardmulroy why don't you move then?
sprayman0 1 year ago
What a loser this guy is.
CSETIRick 1 year ago
@quepasany1
lol as if you lived in slavery ? It um was not just over slavery though that was a cause of a bunch of white brothers and cousins killin each other and now they want to talk shit, (some of them) about whites ...everyone has their own point of view but islam was ultimately responsible for selling blacks out of africa, I hate religions
SpringChatty 1 year ago
lol what a worthless waste of O2. Dude should be lynched.
defstoner18 1 year ago
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lol why doesn't the south just succeed from the union? clearly the opposition is based in religion, southerners being heavily religious and northerners being heavily progressive....seriously, democracy was started in the north and clearly the south is STILL resisting civil liberty...just succeed already, you can pay for your own hurricane relief, border patrol and heart disease (yes Texas, i'm talking about you).
gofudgeyourselfx 1 year ago
@gofudgeyourselfx we would gladly oblige but you see thats what the civil war was all about you Yankees won't let us succeed democracy was started in Grece and we are all about liberty in the south it's you Yankees that are always making up rules for everyone and we could take care of ourselves just fine if we didn't have to pay for all the govt programs you guys dream up
getnick77 1 year ago
@getnick77 the south is ALL about liberty as long as those seeking it are white and christian....otherwise they can geeeed out.
gofudgeyourselfx 1 year ago
It's a lot more complicated than that. Sorry. Your simplification and willingness to accept broad stereotypes makes you just as ignorant as the "southerners" you speak of.
heavyboxes 1 year ago 2
@heavyboxes
bull heavy, it's all about bigotry and southern
"christian" hate. but then i guess you've never
gone to a church that does not spew ignorabce,
bigotry and hate, so you have nothing to
compare your backward "church" to!
wntoply6 1 year ago
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@wntoply6 Because I suggested that you think before you speak, you're now just assuming I'm Christian, Southern, Republican and filled with hate? None of those apply to me.
Let me repeat what I said before: Your simplification and willingness to accept broad stereotypes makes you just as ignorant as the "southerners" you speak of.
You've just proved it.
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gofudgeyourselfx 1 year ago
The unpleasantness has many names: The War of Southern Secession, the War of Northern Aggression, the War Between the States.
I prefer to call it the Treason in Defense of Slavery.
doctorpsycho1960 1 year ago 6
@doctorpsycho1960: Come on...really do you have to do that? Treason in Defense of Slavery...it is part of the US shared history...just learn from it and don't repeat history, but don't be horrible like that...you are talking about a generation of people who this was their way of life...how do you refer to the English?...they started the slave trade.
maidenshadows 1 year ago
@maidenshadows I am less concerned about the "lost way of life" of the slave-whipping parasites than I am about the African slaves who lost their free way of life, and the generations of their descendants who were forced to endure a certain quaint "way of life" not of their choosing.
doctorpsycho1960 1 year ago
@doctorpsycho1960 Dude, you seem to know nothing of the slave trade back then. The Aricans that were sold into slavery were sold originally by fellow Africans. Maybe you should check out the Arabic slave trade before you call americans slave whipping parasites.Saudi Arabia did not outlaw slavery untill 1967. No slave decendants.They were all castrated.
sprayman0 1 year ago 2
@sprayman0 So Arabs sold African slaves to America -- so what? How does that excuse Americans for practicing slavery, and the most degrading and miserable form of slavery in all of human history, an atrocity not to be surpassed until the 20th Century?
doctorpsycho1960 1 year ago
"the great war of Yankee aggression?" Are you kidding me? So going to war to stop slavery and unifying the nation is called Yankee aggression? What a POS this guy is
LOGICNTHEORY 1 year ago 7
Ending slavery was only a pretext for the north's attack on the south. The real reasons were:
1) Lincoln did not want his legacy to be that it was under his watch that the union dissolved
2) The north did not want to lose the tariff and tax revenue that came from the south.
Lincoln wrote that if he could maintain the union while maintaining slavery, that he would accept that.
He merely used the slavery issue to gain support from northern abolitionists.
freesk8 1 year ago
Well said. It might surprise many people to know that Lincoln himself was a well known racist. He felt that the free slaves would have no place in the "New America." He even held a meeting in the White House with several prominent African Americans in an attempt to persuade them to lead a movement of their people back to Africa. Its a total fallacy to believe Lincoln and the north ever gave a shit about the slaves.
patrickjohn84 1 year ago
Mr. Brown you need to check your family tree. I was taught up north that the slaves had no last names so they picked presidents and colors as names! BROWN!
billeybop 1 year ago
Rep Paul Broun does NOT understand history. If he is a representative of Georgia, I fear for the future of our democracy. These kinds of statements does not help mend the fractured constituency existing in the US. As I have mentioned on so many other sites, I can assure, after having read the bill along with the CBO's assessment, this bill does not amount to real reform. Yes, there will be some level of governmental oversight, but no take over as so many GOP members suggest.
kamanu47 1 year ago 3
your right it doesn't amount to real reform thats kinda our point it amounts to forcing us to buy insurance through govt mandates and it's a stepping stone to more mandates for doctors, hospitals and the entire health care industry
getnick77 1 year ago
@getnick77 In fact some of those state sweet heart deals you hear about are direct funding to hospitals that serve specific population. As far as insurance mandates, in so far as looking unconstitutional, there is a logic to the madness. It is assumed that at some time in you life you will access the health care system. The idea is that you not lay a financial burden on it. If you do someone has to pay. Who? The insured. Is that fair?
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 well I didn't bring up the sweetheart deals but since you did I live in FL and the FL deal is to prevent cuts to
a population of people that paid 3 million + for condos and homes because they won't be able to afford the medicare cuts,
the insurance companies are not the problem
health care costs are the problem unnecessary
tests and treatments and outright fraud are the problem I am currently without insurance and my doctor
charges me a different fee than his insured patients
getnick77 1 year ago
@getnick77 fron what I read in the CBO report the FL and NE deal are not going to be part the final deal. For sure the NE deal. You are fortunate to have such a physician, many us are not as fortunate. Hospitals will not be so kind. I will not disagree with you that over testing and over treatment is a problem. Aside from that a typical trip to the ER cost between 500 to 7000. If you cannot settle payment on discharge (as hospitals require), who pays? Folks like myself who are insured.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 I recently went to the emergency room
and it was $500 dollars I set up a payment plan to pay the bill in
3 payments and I was told at the time that I could make pyments of $25 a month so what your really talking about are people that just don't pay their bills
and every company has to deal with that
what they should do is refuse to treat people that refuse to
make reasonable monthly payments and stop treating people in ers for things that aren't emergencies
getnick77 1 year ago
@getnick77 Again you are fortunate. I spent a 6-hour stint in the ER and one day on a floor in the Hospital. I have insurance, yet they required that I settle payment at the time of discharge. If all physician and hospitals who treated you would work the same for the rest of us, I would say that HC reform is unnecessary, but that is not the case. I have also worked in Hospitals and know all to well how they function in terms of issues concerning payments and treatments.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 well by settle payment I assume
you mean set up a method of payment
because they can't make you pay in
advance that is against the law and they can't
hold you there until payment is made that
would be kidnapping and unlawful detention
so they asked you to make an arrangement
for payment and my doctor and hospital
treat me well because I PAY MY BILLS!
getnick77 1 year ago
@getnick77 No, they wanted payment in full. Again, not all hospitals and doctors function the same. What they can do and hospitals do is file law suits to collect payment. I know of people who have had garnished wages or having to take out mortgage size loans in which to settle. Most of them had insurance. Most hospitals having operating funds close to cusp of intake of funds, they cannot afford delayed payment. Again you are fortunate.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 well of course they wanted payment in full
but they didn't hold you there till you could pay
and they should sue if you don't pay thats what
the courts are for if I don't pay my car
note they take my car if I don't pay my cable
they turn off the service and if you owe me
me money you can bet I'll sue you to get it but they didn't refuse service because
you couldn't pay when I spoke to my hospital
payment dept they told me they lose over a million dollars a month from nonpayment
getnick77 1 year ago
@getnick77 Let me state again, hospitals do not hold patients (this is not a legitimate argument), but if they require payment in full and you don't they fill a lawsuit for payment. The courts then go after the payee in the way of garnished wages, etc (as I have stated). The car payment and cable argument is red herring, because no one requires you to own either, but as this discourse began, it is estimated that everyone at sometime will access the health care industry.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 Yes and let me state again
they should come after you for payment
and with a lawsuit if necessary but trust
me they will not sue you if you set up a monthly payment plan it would cost too much and everyone will at sometime in their life access a grocery store or some kind
of shelter do you think that the govt should
tell you where you should live or what
kind of food you can buy because that is coming
if the costs of this get too high they will outlaw sodas
pizza chips alcohol
getnick77 1 year ago
@getnick77 Not all hospitals operate the same. Some do not set up payments as your hospital did for you. If I were to have a 50K settlement (as I have seen) that means I will need to settle right up front. How many people do you think have this kind of cash sitting around? So you propose a payment plan bill? That is fine if hospitals could afford delayed payment. They could if government subsidized them (requires a tax). I would be for it, but it would still cost us.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@getnick77 Finally my point exactly (to your last point), hospitals cannot afford to be charity wards if they expect to provide high quality health care and therefore need all to pay into the system If we don't require people to buy into a system they are very likely to access at sometime in their life, what do you propose be done?
kamanu47 1 year ago
getnick77 1 year ago
@getnick77 so if I do not have insurance, I would need to take off from work to wait in a clinic ALL DAY to get care? that is extremely inefficient. Also you are ascending to the essence of gaining health care being a privilege. so the rich get great care and the rest of us have to use overcrowded free clinics? so the rich get preventative care and the rest of us are triaged? I am not assailing my opinion to be correct. I just question whether this is a system we should not try to fix.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 well only the rich own new
Mercedes only the rich live in mansions
Medicaid and free clinics provide preventive care
my opinion is very simple if you are truly poor
you have care if you want better care you have to
pay for it my car has 23,000 miles on it and I live
in a very modest home I pay for my doctors visits with a debit card before I leave and when I go to the hospital they
bill me and I call them and arrange payments
we don't really need to fix the health system
getnick77 1 year ago
@getnick77 wow, amazing going back to the car argument again. Really not the same. Ok, so you obviously have never accessed care through a free clinic. I can assure you having worked in the medical care industry, It is isn't as you think it is. I am not suggesting there are not abuses in the system, but having dealt with the system on both ends I can tell you that it is not so humanitarian as you suggest. It is obvious we will never agree, still important to keep these discussion alive.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 no I have never been to a
free clinic I have worked very hard all my
life and I have the back and other joint
pains to prove it and if there are abuses in
that system then that should be addressed
I'm not suggesting that free clinics are like the Mayo or Johns Hopkins but if they were then everyone would go there
getnick77 1 year ago
@getnick77 a lot of people work hard but still do not have access to health care you have. Be very careful in assuming that this is a bill is all about providing free health care to a bunch of lazy people, that is not what is in play. We have a complex society and everyone has their story as you have. The bill tries to provide people like you some sense of security that if (I hope it does not happen) a catastrophic illness hits you, that you will maintain financial security.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 I'm not saying this bill is about
providing free health care to lazy people
but I work with people that make more than the
minimum wage and they all qualify for Medicaid well this is just a temporary
situation for me I normally have insurance
but due to a slowdown I've had to cut back
but in a month or so I will again be
paying for insurance with a huge deductible
so I can afford a catastrophic illness
getnick77 1 year ago
@getnick77 Knowing that we will never convince each other of our arguments, I will make this as a final statement. If you choose to have a final word, that is Ok. As I stated, peoples lives are more complex than the examples you suggest. If I cannot get insurance then I can get Medicaid, is not always the case. I have seen this first hand. Folks like us and those around the country will continue to have the fundamental ideological difference that make neither of us wrong.
kamanu47 1 year ago
getnick77 1 year ago
@kamanu47 we need to stop them from spending
so much money just to avoid lawsuits
they sometimes spend thousands of dollars
on unnecessary tests for something simple
on someone that will never pay their bill
if everyone would pay their bills then everything
would be cheaper the problem with hospital ERs is they aren't allowed to turn anyone away they should be able to
send people to a free clinic for non life threatening problems if they can't
show they can pay their bill
getnick77 1 year ago
@getnick77 Ok, so from my experience having worked in the industry. Over testing and treating comes from defensive care, but also sofrom consumer demands. When you have a loved one in need, you expect the medical professionals to do all they can and that often will be a larger factor in driving the "over care." The other argument would be to limit (ration) care. Not sure what you want to or expect out of the system. These services are expensive on their own aside from what you argue.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 the problem with that is that you have a lot of people that think this is a license to steal so they go to
the ER get their treatment and laugh all the way home because they think they got
something for free when they didn't you and I paid for it when they could have just as
easily gone to see a doctor in an office
paid $70 and gotten the same or better
treatment
getnick77 1 year ago
@getnick77 you assume you know the mind of a "lot of people." I am not suggesting that there are not abuses in the system, however I am reluctant to support your statement as to the mind of individuals. Again we will not agree based on ideology. You feel medial care is a privilege where I see it as a right. We will continue to quip back and forth that is fine, but it has done little to change my position.
kamanu47 1 year ago
@kamanu47 when I was in the er there
was actually a man there with a toddler
that had a runny nose that wanted to know if he needed antibiotics now if he had insurance
you will be paying for that and if he didn't
do you really think he will pay the bill? But he will
pay for the antibiotics because the pharmacy
won't give them to him unless he does
getnick77 1 year ago
@merimac
You represent how ignorant people are,the war was'nt to just preserve the union dumbass, lincoln was against slavery an the south wanted slavery to be apart of there gov, slavery was a strong reason for the south's rebellion they enslave minorities an force them into labor the north was against that so yes dumbfuck slavery played a important role/reason in the civil war finish your education clusterfuck
SadCarnage1224 1 year ago
@SadCarnage1224 the south did not rebel until they were attacked for trying to secede the Union had no right to outlaw slavery for all the states without passing an amendment to the constitution the emancipation proclaimation was unconstitutional
getnick77 1 year ago
He is joking I hope but revealing a lot of ignorance.
wrinkleypp 1 year ago
amen to this. this is true. fuck the union. fuck the north.
mcnabj 1 year ago
Omg Can we just destroy those southern bastards they shouldn't even be allowed to be considered Americans.
DarthVantos 1 year ago 2