I love this game but one thing that always bugged me was this music; whenever a fight broke out I started to think about austrians and intergalactic trophy hunters. Am I the only one?
"What can change the nature of a man?" Nothing -- at least, that seems to be the real answer in-game, as ultimately, NO cannot change his nature, and so in the end is doomed no matter what. NO's sins and crimes remain, and nothing can change them, or him -- and so no matter how you play the game, in the end, you will still be damned to this game's "Hell." There is no Gospel in Planescape. ;)
@tjhoenecke I think you're missing the point. Changing nature doesn't necessarily mean changing your outcome. NO DID change his nature. For his original incarnation, it changed because of Regret, and at the end of the game, Current NO decided that it was belief that changed it.
In fact, he changed from his original to his current as well. His original was afraid to go to the Blood War, but Current NO decided that there was nothing he could do and accepted it. There is change everywhere.
@CharlettMoon I'm afraid you missed MY point. NO changed his "attitude," perhaps, and made different decisions at different times, but his nature remained the same as ever. Nothing he tried, or could ever try, would change his past, or the fact that the capacity for such behavior still existed in him.
@tjhoenecke But everyone has the capacity for anything, whether good or ill. I know I have bits of me that are naturally evil and I can have nasty tendencies, but I try not to act upon or even think about them. See, nature is used in a different light in Torment than what a person desires or thinks. Every human is predisposed towards "every man for himself", but not everyone acts upon it.
TNO in this case said that if you "believe" you can change, then you can. That's really it.
I read an interview where Avellone said it was *Belief* that can change the nature of a man.
There are several hints throughout the game (Mourn-for-trees, the flashback during the debate with Dolora...) that belief is the most powerful thing in the planes.
If you have great Wisdom, your character figures it out during the final dialogue.
Time is the right answer, that's what the whole game is based on. The nameless one's nature changed over time, the proof is in all of the different marks he made on the planes over time; each one made by a nameless one with a different nature (alignment).
One is this, the second shows a Power, and the third shows some in-game thing (the third is almost like the second, but the Power's representation was taken out).
sorry but im a paranoid i cant help it soz... Sorry this is scary if u read this far u will die in 10 days if u dont send to any 15 videos in 2 hours good luck hope u dont die
Great game, just started playing it again. I'm glad they didn't make a second one as it could have tarnished this one.
"What can change the nature of a man?" It was left up to you to decide, but I think the games answer would be belief. At the end of the game using that as an answer with high enough Wisdom (24) allows you to get the best ending. But there are two other ways to get that ending, so maybe it's not the games ending.
As far as i know there is only 1 good ending, and that's the one where you convince him to merge with you. i think thats the one that needs 24 wisdom.. but it almost doesn't matter, all the good endings end basically the same way, over time.
"What can change the nature of a man?" Well i know not.. knot? a-haa. That was up to yourself to figure out. But the riddle was only designed by Ravel to find out The Nameless One's answer. Almost everything can change said nature. Belief is just strongest.
Belief also changes the planes, yes. Belief almost directly changes the nature of a man. Depends on what kinda belief we're talking about. Believing in God(which would just stagnate your mental development)? Believing in yourself, or someone else? Think about how it has changed your life to believe in what other people say. Be it your friends, a teacher, the president of a country.
Only problem is that would kind of defeat the purpose of the game. The game asks the question, the answer is up to you as the game's audience. The question is one that has plagued philosophers and bahavioural psychologists for ages.
Wonderful post Qlberts!! For some strange reason nostaligia struck me today and made me search for PlansScape Torment on YouTube. I could not agree with you more when you say the game blew you a way. When I first played it several years ago (and I am an avid RPG fan) I was very touched by the story line and characters in the game beyond belief. Perhaps we each identify with the nameless one`s character, one way or another.
A trailer actually doesn't fit to that game at all since trailers usually show off with their graphical power. However, the strengths of Torment was it's story. I've never seen this trailer before. Yet, I didn't need to anyway.
I never saw this trailer, jsut a pure CG one which wasnt half as good. It came with Bladurs gate I think, like on the instal disk. Can nayone post that?
What is the scene at 0:39? I don't recall it from the game
00RiderOfTheStorm00 1 year ago
@00RiderOfTheStorm00
If I recall right that's the cinema you get when you use the symbol of torment
Rysdan 1 year ago
I love this game but one thing that always bugged me was this music; whenever a fight broke out I started to think about austrians and intergalactic trophy hunters. Am I the only one?
malevc 1 year ago
Srsly, this game still pwns all rpgs including the new "story-based" ones by Bioware. Best rpg game of all time!
duanemperor 1 year ago
"What can change the nature of a man?" Nothing -- at least, that seems to be the real answer in-game, as ultimately, NO cannot change his nature, and so in the end is doomed no matter what. NO's sins and crimes remain, and nothing can change them, or him -- and so no matter how you play the game, in the end, you will still be damned to this game's "Hell." There is no Gospel in Planescape. ;)
tjhoenecke 1 year ago
@tjhoenecke I think you're missing the point. Changing nature doesn't necessarily mean changing your outcome. NO DID change his nature. For his original incarnation, it changed because of Regret, and at the end of the game, Current NO decided that it was belief that changed it.
In fact, he changed from his original to his current as well. His original was afraid to go to the Blood War, but Current NO decided that there was nothing he could do and accepted it. There is change everywhere.
CharlettMoon 1 year ago
@CharlettMoon I'm afraid you missed MY point. NO changed his "attitude," perhaps, and made different decisions at different times, but his nature remained the same as ever. Nothing he tried, or could ever try, would change his past, or the fact that the capacity for such behavior still existed in him.
tjhoenecke 1 year ago
@tjhoenecke But everyone has the capacity for anything, whether good or ill. I know I have bits of me that are naturally evil and I can have nasty tendencies, but I try not to act upon or even think about them. See, nature is used in a different light in Torment than what a person desires or thinks. Every human is predisposed towards "every man for himself", but not everyone acts upon it.
TNO in this case said that if you "believe" you can change, then you can. That's really it.
CharlettMoon 1 year ago
I read an interview where Avellone said it was *Belief* that can change the nature of a man.
There are several hints throughout the game (Mourn-for-trees, the flashback during the debate with Dolora...) that belief is the most powerful thing in the planes.
If you have great Wisdom, your character figures it out during the final dialogue.
Reivoli 1 year ago
Time is the right answer, that's what the whole game is based on. The nameless one's nature changed over time, the proof is in all of the different marks he made on the planes over time; each one made by a nameless one with a different nature (alignment).
Peter7Paul 2 years ago
My first answer was "nothing" when i first encountered Ravel. It changed in the course of the game tho.
SomeWise 2 years ago
i answered 'suffering'. it honestly seemed like everything was pointing to that
Dakedoom 2 years ago
There are actually 3 official trailer.
One is this, the second shows a Power, and the third shows some in-game thing (the third is almost like the second, but the Power's representation was taken out).
gagnashdiak 2 years ago
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sorry but im a paranoid i cant help it soz... Sorry this is scary if u read this far u will die in 10 days if u dont send to any 15 videos in 2 hours good luck hope u dont die
TheOracle12 2 years ago
Aye, a *sequel* would not have been good, but another game set in the Planescape setting written by Avellone would be awesome.
unholyevili 2 years ago 12
Great game, just started playing it again. I'm glad they didn't make a second one as it could have tarnished this one.
"What can change the nature of a man?" It was left up to you to decide, but I think the games answer would be belief. At the end of the game using that as an answer with high enough Wisdom (24) allows you to get the best ending. But there are two other ways to get that ending, so maybe it's not the games ending.
UKFabMan 2 years ago
Belief is quite a good answer, but my chosen one was Time.
Forfeitdemeanor 2 years ago
As far as i know there is only 1 good ending, and that's the one where you convince him to merge with you. i think thats the one that needs 24 wisdom.. but it almost doesn't matter, all the good endings end basically the same way, over time.
"What can change the nature of a man?" Well i know not.. knot? a-haa. That was up to yourself to figure out. But the riddle was only designed by Ravel to find out The Nameless One's answer. Almost everything can change said nature. Belief is just strongest.
Rav0n 2 years ago
I though belief changes the planes and indirectly the nature of man :/
Time was also my first answer to Ravel's question.
G0DVL 2 years ago
Belief also changes the planes, yes. Belief almost directly changes the nature of a man. Depends on what kinda belief we're talking about. Believing in God(which would just stagnate your mental development)? Believing in yourself, or someone else? Think about how it has changed your life to believe in what other people say. Be it your friends, a teacher, the president of a country.
Rav0n 2 years ago
Pitty they only made one Planscape game.
Bearram1 2 years ago
Only problem is that would kind of defeat the purpose of the game. The game asks the question, the answer is up to you as the game's audience. The question is one that has plagued philosophers and bahavioural psychologists for ages.
ElPrezAU 4 years ago 6
if they wrote at the end "nothing can change na nature of human" it would be my favourite video
eeech82 4 years ago
Regret can change the nature of a man.
45axelh 3 years ago 3
love can too i believe, thats what i chose anyways. great game
archangelserenity 3 years ago 2
Whatever you think can change the nature of a man, can change the nature of a man.
MuscleLuke2 3 years ago 11
Regret indeed. Wise choice.
spudster007 2 years ago 2
What's the spell being used at 0:35?
Truzyxx 4 years ago
whats the music called ive been looking for it for hours man like 5 or 6 please if anyone can help me thanks
finalf565 4 years ago
the music is from the Planescape: Torment soundtrack, of course... ;) It can be found very easily on google.
tarhun 4 years ago
whats it called
finalf565 4 years ago
I think it's the track "Sigil Battle".
tarhun 4 years ago
thanks
finalf565 4 years ago
Wonderful post Qlberts!! For some strange reason nostaligia struck me today and made me search for PlansScape Torment on YouTube. I could not agree with you more when you say the game blew you a way. When I first played it several years ago (and I am an avid RPG fan) I was very touched by the story line and characters in the game beyond belief. Perhaps we each identify with the nameless one`s character, one way or another.
Mysska018. you are probably right!!
Anas4960 4 years ago
1999, but actually timeless
5iver25 4 years ago 6
A trailer actually doesn't fit to that game at all since trailers usually show off with their graphical power. However, the strengths of Torment was it's story. I've never seen this trailer before. Yet, I didn't need to anyway.
PEAKTOP7CEMb 4 years ago
lol he looks like shrek at the start
rmckim 4 years ago
sure brings old memorys back.... its so sad that black isle fell into the dust... ;( only bioware remains
HalfLifeHalfDead 4 years ago
The game is brilliant, but sadly the trailer can't show it.
volcatius 5 years ago 2
They sure dont make them like htey used to.
I never saw this trailer, jsut a pure CG one which wasnt half as good. It came with Bladurs gate I think, like on the instal disk. Can nayone post that?
leonidas333 5 years ago
This might be true but they didn't make them like *this* back then either, it's in a league of its own.
NamelessTurtle 4 years ago
Oh god, nostalgia.
This game is amazing. If you haven't played it, do so now.
sehnsucht11 5 years ago
planescape:torment-probably the best game in the world:)
Mysska018 5 years ago 5
amin to that!
popeugenfastpunk 5 years ago
Its a shame how the only thing the trailer can really convey about the game is the odd setting.
heiamll 5 years ago