If only the FM1 socket was remotely upgradeable... Do we even know if they are actually bringing out a second CPU for it? We know they've "stopped making desktop CPUs" so does that mean the planned sequel to Llano is now not happening? Or is there one upgrade and that's it? What?
If it could be upgraded in future, I'd choose FM1... But as it doesn't seem it will, I'll be getting a G620 pentium and 6570 for gfs pc, and upgrading to 2500k/ivy when funds are available.
@4werr0n3 I saw a GTX 460 work great with a G620, search for the video. The bottle-neck will be the GPU and its speed limit. GTX 460 beats the HD 5770, so it is all good.
What i'm talking about is, that you'll see your frame rates slashed down to room temperature levels during intense action scenes.My friends A8-3850 iGPU is slower than my 6570 yet he runs L4D1/2 stable between 50-100Fps @ 720p while the G620+6570 can drop to ~20Fps when the horde comes.Do a search on G620 + GTA4, you'll see an avg. Fps of 40 but it goes all the way down to 15-25.
Besides i get the exact same picture even if i turn details all the way down.So it is the CPU.
@4werr0n3 GTA4 is more CPU dependent, that is an auto-fail on the Dual-Core. I do not know much about L4D, so there can be something limiting it, keep in mind that it is still a Pentium.
It's pretty much across the board m8, average frames per second sometimes don't tell the whole story.I'd rather have 10 frames less but stable, than going from 60fps to 15fps.That just doesn't cut it anymore.
@dkhalevskyy That does happen with intel but not with these new fm1 cpu (apu), as long as you run it with a card from the same series, in this case a PCI-E expansion card from the 6xxx series. The two together (pci-e expension card and APU) are used together to combine graphical processing power.
PLEASE Intel fanboys, can you fucking accept that AMD is better here????
you are making up the most idiot reasons to say its not fair!! come on!!!
It is NOT bottleneck, you can put a HD6870 with i3, it runs perfectly, or just watch the gaming comparison with integrated graphics, AMD still wins.
just stop being a 8-year boy and making everything to say its not a fair comaprison, GO! Watch any video in youtube, any website, it WILL say the AMD is better, so shut the fuck up!
PLEASE, Intel and AMD fanboys stop fucking fighting, you are seeing all the proof in your front, the AMD is better, both with dedicated graphics and integrated graphics, it IS the best solution for budget gaming, AMD is better here, OVER.
In High-End PCs, the i5 and i7 with a dedicated graphics is really better than any AMD bulldoizer and shit, Intel wins, OVER.
everyone happy now????
and stop saying its bottleneck with i3 cuz with integrated graphics AMD is still better.
Another thing, I am not basing my findings from reviews or benchmarks, but from real world, day to day use. IF on a budget, go with AMD setup. Best bang for the buck. IF money is not an object, go with Intel setup.
I would be straightly honest. An I3 2120 w/ 2-GTX 460 SLIed can outperform an Athlon IIx4 w/ 2- HD 6870s xfired when comes to applications & multi-tasking wise, but the AMD system outperforms when comes to video playback and gaming hands down especially in eyefinity mode. Besides, this has nothing to do w/ being an AMD or Intel lover. It's all about what you are going to do with each type of system setup. For me, I used the Intel system strictly as a workstation and AMD as gaming/video playback.
most people are missing the point of this video.The main point was budget wise.
for example: A8 3500 w/ HD 6670 in dual graphics mode cost far less than the I3 2100 w/ 2 HD6670 crossfired and gets almost the same graphic performance. Yes, HD 6670 can crossfired together. I used to have a setup like that. Bottom line is AMD is more geared towards budget gamers htpc while Intel SB w/ dedicated xfire/SLI cards are more geared to high end gaming. I have both an AMD/HD and Intel/Nvidia systems. Cont
You cant this comparison this game is not CPU bottle necked it is GPU bottle necked. To do fair comparison you need to use the integrated graphics. But in the case of AMD the discreet built in chip.
The AMD has a built in gpu in the proccesor (thats why they call the proccesors APU) that helps out the weak HD6570 . Put atleast an HD6770 in the test and Intel will show +10% better results than AMD.
are you kidding me put a better gpu on both this cpu's and do the same test on crisis 1 or 2 and 10 other games and you l see that even if i3 2100 is a dual core will beat the hell out that quad core of amd for trusted benches go anandteck and compare cpus and gpus and you l see that the i3 2100 is a lot better in games but looses some points on heavy apps
Dirt3 is CPU dependent, and despite the i3 2100 being atleast 40% faster clock for clock, the 2 extra cores on Llano made it pull though, however if a more gpu bound game was in place, the i3 2100 would win, due to it being faster clock for clock with a much higher IPC.
That i3 is around $20 cheaper than that A8, and according to benchmarks it is also faster despite being dual core only. At newegg prices, cheapest 6570 is $70, cheapest HD6770 is $110. i3 2100 + 6770 will be way faster than that A8 setup for about just $20 more.
Also, the A8 setup is getting better framerates there because the HD6570 is working on Dual Graphics mode with the A8 internal 6550D, and since the i3 setup is running a 6570 alone, so it's getting less FPS, of course.
@dave777blaster dude there is a limit to what they can put on an apu... you either give up the cpu to get a bettter gpu, or you sacrifice gpu power to get a better cpu
So then, let your hearts be changed and be turned to God, so that your sins may be completely taken away, and times of blessing may come from the Lord Jesus Christ
There's no other explanation to the Universe's creation, mankind's origin, we see so many truths trough the holy bible, in enough quantity to destroy any doubt..
Today's world became so full of science that people think they can deny and skip God, this is sad..
But the days is going to get worse and worse, as we can easily see, in anywhere, and just Jesus can help us!
this is quite funny actually. this is a comparison between 2 equally priced computer systems in the low-mid range. the point of the comparison seems to be that if you want a low-mid range machine you will get better gaming performance for your money with an amd apu than you would with an equivalently priced intel system. this video serves its purpose and is quite informative.
Why this has turned into an argument between intel and amd fanboys I really dont know.
Based on this video, the next low-mid range PC I build with be AMD APU based. If I wanted a top of the range beastie of a machine I'd be purchasing an intel i7 system but unfortunately I cannot afford that! This video has helped me decide on the best system available for my budget. thanks!
@bappythegreat That would be a mistake , get a cheap 1155 "H" motherboard and a non k 2500 and a gtx460 or gtx560 and it will blow the doors off of the A8-3850 Dual Graphics set up for only a little bit more money.
@bappythegreat You should bear in mind that the difference evident in this video will not manifest in every situation. Testing in this way with a single game and only one set of settings is less than conclusive evidence.
Intel fans are moaning so loud here, please for god sake. Stop being bias, and fanboyism is too much. I really hope Intel would stop paying the benchmark companies to show 'good results' for their products. It really pain in the ass when I bought a Core 2 Duo that was supposed to PERFORM better than ATHLON x2 and END up being SLOWER in real time application, but SHOW good RESULT on benchmark
seriously who the hell care about stupid technical thing (core count, clock, cache, etc). It doesn't matter as long as it provide more enjoyable experience for the same amount of money.
if we are talking about dual graphiics then this is an unfair video. why? AMD can do crossfirex with APU and vidcard and core i3 can't cuz it has different IGP.
You want a comparison between an a8-3850 and i5 cpu? you say you cant compare i3(dual core) with a8-3850? How about this then, a-3850 is 130$ , i3 2100 130$, weakest i5 is 200 dollars and it would still be worse then an a8-3850, and you know why? Because by overclocking an A8-3850 you get more graphic performance up to 80% more fps in some games (+ better ram with higher frequency more fps for the APU too,best works 1600mhz ram)
I think the HD 6670 would have been better ? I'm getting 66fps average (54 min) in the same benchmark at 1920x1080 with 4xAA and everything on High when Xfired with the A8-3850.
I'd rather buy a Sandy Bridge G850 and spend the saved money on something better than a 6570.
After all, an over-saturated CPU is not as big of a problem as an GPU over-saturated. Plus, within a few more paychecks, I'd just upgrade to a quad core sandy bridge (just for bragging's sake).
How did you set up dual graphics mode? I have both the A-3850 and a HD 6670 but it won't show the crossfire option under ccc/performance tab. What did you install driver wise? Thanks in advance.
@ramfery23 Ovi a $135 quad core chip isn't going to preform as well as a $200-300 chip. and for some reason people, such as yourself, try to compare them as if its a high end gaming gpu. Its just like the 1090t and the 980x. People would compare them as if its a fair test because of the cores even though the 980x is $600 more. That is just an extreme example of what is going on here. This is a fair test as both of the chips are similarly priced.
@ramfery23 They are comparing based on price tags, as far as I know. Also, the i3 has four threads. I think the most fair comparison should involve the most powerful i3 of the line-up.
@ramfery23 Indeed, an i5 will beat the crap out of it. Thats why i bought an i5? It whas sooo fast against my X4.... After a day i wanted that intel core i7. its just a heaven for me!
@ramfery23 Actually i3 performs much better than Llano APU in most tasks (except for video rendering). In this test AMD performs better only because it uses AMD Fusion (integrated GPU chip works here with HD 6570).
@21boxhead if i wanna buy a cpu , i have some amount of money for it , say $200 and i want to get the best i can for the money ... how is that stupid ?
@21boxhead if you look at the price, it wouldn't be, because A8-3850 costs just a little more than i3 2100, way less than 2100+6570 actually, still delivers better performance, at least in the graphics department
@MrHayat94 intel's cheapest 2nd gen i-series but this is not amd's cheapest new series so its unfair why dont they compare to A6-3650 or lower instead of much more powerful A8-3850
@Superloser89 as in performance A8-3850 will still beat i5-2400 and that's around 50 dollars more! thats should be the argument there not whats in same price range. just look in the passmark website.
-.- both in the same price comparison...(a8 vs i3)
A8-3850 - $139.99 (QUAD core @2.9 Ghz) + 4mb L2 cache +Integrated GRAPHICS (6550D) add 6670 and you will have a great low powered, low temp, and good gaming experience computer.
@Vertig0HTM OK? intel and amd have different price range for there products, i3 is the lowest on intels side on its current gen while amd is A4-3300 that came out just yesterday(sep7) that will cost 70 i believe you compare both there lowest ends not price thats just not fair period
@21boxhead I understand, but the fact remains that this was a price comparison... (virtually same price for processors) and you get more with amd for the same price, period.
Dude I don't want to be rude to you but you just seem like a Intel fanboy to me now.... We compare processors with the same price points!!! A8-3850 as I wrote before (read what I write next time) costs about the same as i3-2100! On the other hand A4-3400 (which you want to compare to i3-2100) costs $79.99, and thus NOT in the same price point range! If this is not clear to you than you're just a "TROLL" who desperately needs attention on Youtube.
@Vertig0HTM DUDE really? the video is comparing Performance here not price so unfair comparison A8-3850 still beat i5-2400 and that's 50 dollars more, performance comparison is needed for this and about me being a Intel fan boy lol please, I got this A8-3850 chip and using it now. This chip is best bang for the dollar for 2011.
@21boxhead You can't compare it to the i5, this a8 is at the same price as an i3-2120 the only difference being 3.3ghz instead of 3.1. AMD will release the newer apu's next year. They are supposed to be 50% faster than these. Those could compare to the i5/i7 but we will have to wait and see :p
The amd apu's rock! top bang for your buck. I am getting one of these for school and mmo's and building a gaming rig later :p. i5/i7 in a laptop is like driving a bugatti in town.
@21boxhead The i5 2400 kicks the shit out of the AMD Phenom II x4 955. The Phenom II x4 955 outperforms the A8-3850. So no, it wouldn't be a fair comparison.
@IAmSomeoneOrOther funny i go to different benchmark sites they have all different results but mainly go to passmark does beat i5 the sample are taken from average computers who then uploaded to other sample but its close but still either way its still fair comparison its close
@IAmSomeoneOrOther no I said "fair comparsion" comparsion on this i3 vs A8-3850 is not fair and if you go to different benchmark sites all have different outcomes.
@IAmSomeoneOrOther what? there is no information whatsoever on that site about the video card used. if their test bench doesn't happen to use one of the 3 video card supported by amd's dual mode graphics the biggest bonuses you see from this apu are rendered useless. i challenge you to beat amd's performance here with an intel system FOR THE SAME PRICE bearing in mind that the architecture is entirely different.
@IAmSomeoneOrOther Instead of name calling why don't you put more effort in researching and benchmarking. There are plenty of videos that can refute your claim. You really don't know much.
@IAmSomeoneOrOther You are watching a video of Llano beating i3 and yet you are saying otherwise. I think its you who's really trolling. Blind retard.
The A8-3850's integrated graphics are the equal of a Radeon HD 6670. The other video card running in tandem with the integrated one is a Radeon HD 6570. If a Radeon HD 5770 was used in this example the i3 2100 would win.
Do you even check what you write?? A8-3850's integrated graphics are Radeon HD6550 not HD6670. Now how did you know i3 would run faster with HD5770 when it didn't even with HD6570?
2. The Radeon HD 6550D performs the same as the Radeon HD 6670.
3. The Radeon HD 6570 worked with the Radeon HD 6550D on the A8-3850. The Radeon HD 6570 worked alone when with the i3 2100. The Radeon HD 5770 would've worked alone with both.
I'm surprised you didn't even bother to make sure you weren't talking out of your ass.
@21boxhead if he compare both IGP alone, then yes. but if this benchmark disable both IGP and run discrete gpu only, the result will turned upside down, since i3-2100 compute power is faster than A3850
@Sknoob728 No, this is because a 6770 will not be able to xfire with the cpu's card. There are specific cards you can xfire with the A8-3850, the highest being the 6670. I learned this the hard way lol.
@MrComputereviews You're wrong. It only supports entry level video cards, read from any tech site and you'll see. Search for "supported dual graphics combinations" and you'll see a chart with all the info.
Intel>AMD
forever
RamaLamaDingDon 1 week ago
If only the FM1 socket was remotely upgradeable... Do we even know if they are actually bringing out a second CPU for it? We know they've "stopped making desktop CPUs" so does that mean the planned sequel to Llano is now not happening? Or is there one upgrade and that's it? What?
If it could be upgraded in future, I'd choose FM1... But as it doesn't seem it will, I'll be getting a G620 pentium and 6570 for gfs pc, and upgrading to 2500k/ivy when funds are available.
moshpotpaul 2 weeks ago
@moshpotpaul
Save you money the G620 will limit the 6570.
4werr0n3 1 week ago
@4werr0n3 No it won't. A G620 won't even bottleneck a 5770. Go troll elsewhere.
moshpotpaul 1 week ago
@moshpotpaul
Yeah that's what i thought too before i bought it XD.
4werr0n3 1 week ago
@4werr0n3 a g620 will work well with a 6850. So yeah, maybe you just got a faulty gpu, as a 6570 is really low end.
moshpotpaul 6 days ago
@4werr0n3 I saw a GTX 460 work great with a G620, search for the video. The bottle-neck will be the GPU and its speed limit. GTX 460 beats the HD 5770, so it is all good.
megamanxtreme2 5 days ago
@megamanxtreme2
What i'm talking about is, that you'll see your frame rates slashed down to room temperature levels during intense action scenes.My friends A8-3850 iGPU is slower than my 6570 yet he runs L4D1/2 stable between 50-100Fps @ 720p while the G620+6570 can drop to ~20Fps when the horde comes.Do a search on G620 + GTA4, you'll see an avg. Fps of 40 but it goes all the way down to 15-25.
Besides i get the exact same picture even if i turn details all the way down.So it is the CPU.
4werr0n3 5 days ago
@4werr0n3 GTA4 is more CPU dependent, that is an auto-fail on the Dual-Core. I do not know much about L4D, so there can be something limiting it, keep in mind that it is still a Pentium.
megamanxtreme2 5 days ago
@megamanxtreme2
It's pretty much across the board m8, average frames per second sometimes don't tell the whole story.I'd rather have 10 frames less but stable, than going from 60fps to 15fps.That just doesn't cut it anymore.
4werr0n3 5 days ago
Hehe, for gaming the Phenom II X4 965 BE or higher clocked still beats any AMD Bulldozer. And i3 beats AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE in games.
Owned both and tested. i3 210 % GTX 560 Ti ;)
But still, this A4 is budget killer.
Heh, i even have tested 6570 but DDR3 version which is comparable to 9600 GT DDR3 - on my channel :)
Sssagaman 3 weeks ago
Comment removed
Sssagaman 3 weeks ago
AMD THE FATHER AND INTEL IS HIS SON....
VenetianFaces 1 month ago
@VenetianFaces lol..u believe that shit?
veiledvulture 3 weeks ago
Dual Graphics activated ONLY DirectX 11(!!) lol
1volhv 1 month ago
@dkhalevskyy That does happen with intel but not with these new fm1 cpu (apu), as long as you run it with a card from the same series, in this case a PCI-E expansion card from the 6xxx series. The two together (pci-e expension card and APU) are used together to combine graphical processing power.
TableWolfMusic 1 month ago
AMD now makes better netbooks. Such examples are the fusion E-350 or the E-450. I bet in the future, netbooks would be as fast as notebooks!
AkemiHomura93 2 months ago
PLEASE Intel fanboys, can you fucking accept that AMD is better here????
you are making up the most idiot reasons to say its not fair!! come on!!!
It is NOT bottleneck, you can put a HD6870 with i3, it runs perfectly, or just watch the gaming comparison with integrated graphics, AMD still wins.
just stop being a 8-year boy and making everything to say its not a fair comaprison, GO! Watch any video in youtube, any website, it WILL say the AMD is better, so shut the fuck up!
BritishNathan 2 months ago
PLEASE, Intel and AMD fanboys stop fucking fighting, you are seeing all the proof in your front, the AMD is better, both with dedicated graphics and integrated graphics, it IS the best solution for budget gaming, AMD is better here, OVER.
In High-End PCs, the i5 and i7 with a dedicated graphics is really better than any AMD bulldoizer and shit, Intel wins, OVER.
everyone happy now????
and stop saying its bottleneck with i3 cuz with integrated graphics AMD is still better.
BritishNathan 2 months ago
Another thing, I am not basing my findings from reviews or benchmarks, but from real world, day to day use. IF on a budget, go with AMD setup. Best bang for the buck. IF money is not an object, go with Intel setup.
Mysteriaperson 2 months ago
I would be straightly honest. An I3 2120 w/ 2-GTX 460 SLIed can outperform an Athlon IIx4 w/ 2- HD 6870s xfired when comes to applications & multi-tasking wise, but the AMD system outperforms when comes to video playback and gaming hands down especially in eyefinity mode. Besides, this has nothing to do w/ being an AMD or Intel lover. It's all about what you are going to do with each type of system setup. For me, I used the Intel system strictly as a workstation and AMD as gaming/video playback.
Mysteriaperson 2 months ago
most people are missing the point of this video.The main point was budget wise.
for example: A8 3500 w/ HD 6670 in dual graphics mode cost far less than the I3 2100 w/ 2 HD6670 crossfired and gets almost the same graphic performance. Yes, HD 6670 can crossfired together. I used to have a setup like that. Bottom line is AMD is more geared towards budget gamers htpc while Intel SB w/ dedicated xfire/SLI cards are more geared to high end gaming. I have both an AMD/HD and Intel/Nvidia systems. Cont
Mysteriaperson 2 months ago
i3 is bottlenecked by the gpu.
AlEX95RbT 2 months ago
You cant this comparison this game is not CPU bottle necked it is GPU bottle necked. To do fair comparison you need to use the integrated graphics. But in the case of AMD the discreet built in chip.
stealthp90 3 months ago
@stealthp90 in integrated graphics AMD is still better!
BritishNathan 2 months ago
how can the amd apu be an average of 50fps when i never even seen it touch 50 fps more like fps 40-45fps average
ANDREWOFPR2 3 months ago
@ANDREWOFPR2 And the 2100 is 30-35.
ligerman30 2 months ago
@ANDREWOFPR2 he's recording with fraps...-.-
ShugoxDDDD 2 months ago
I would still respect the I3 for its HT when you need the extra threads, though Llano has been a proven performer for budget gamers.
KenwoodGT 3 months ago
intel always sucks big time at gaming... it maybe fast, but it sucks dry your gfx card
MarlboroClassic 3 months ago
The AMD has a built in gpu in the proccesor (thats why they call the proccesors APU) that helps out the weak HD6570 . Put atleast an HD6770 in the test and Intel will show +10% better results than AMD.
SandelTaur 3 months ago
what resolution?
if you play on hight res. the test is not fair because of the amd dual graphics.
normaly i3 is better cpu in games then this AMD APU.
try on a lower resolution and see what's happening,in this test is clearly that i3 is GPU limited.
alexungureanu1990 3 months ago
normally the i3 would win here in this game because Dirt 3 is very CPU based.
davidvu396 3 months ago
AMD is a clear winner
SudipDebnathIndia 3 months ago
pildi intel ghpon maske i5 pah hehehehe
080808clyde 3 months ago
are you kidding me put a better gpu on both this cpu's and do the same test on crisis 1 or 2 and 10 other games and you l see that even if i3 2100 is a dual core will beat the hell out that quad core of amd for trusted benches go anandteck and compare cpus and gpus and you l see that the i3 2100 is a lot better in games but looses some points on heavy apps
Novarberor 4 months ago
@Novarberor The amd a8 gpu crossfire effectively has a 6990 d ?
dave777blaster 3 months ago
Dirt3 is CPU dependent, and despite the i3 2100 being atleast 40% faster clock for clock, the 2 extra cores on Llano made it pull though, however if a more gpu bound game was in place, the i3 2100 would win, due to it being faster clock for clock with a much higher IPC.
Bladeworkssystems 4 months ago
That i3 is around $20 cheaper than that A8, and according to benchmarks it is also faster despite being dual core only. At newegg prices, cheapest 6570 is $70, cheapest HD6770 is $110. i3 2100 + 6770 will be way faster than that A8 setup for about just $20 more.
Also, the A8 setup is getting better framerates there because the HD6570 is working on Dual Graphics mode with the A8 internal 6550D, and since the i3 setup is running a 6570 alone, so it's getting less FPS, of course.
Mario0Dante 4 months ago
AMD sells more for less $
dave777blaster 4 months ago
@dave777blaster uhhhh no... their new product line "Bulldozer" as they call it can hardly plow through my excel worksheets...
befreud 3 months ago
@befreud buldozer v1 is a server product get apu its the future .
dave777blaster 3 months ago
@dave777blaster dude there is a limit to what they can put on an apu... you either give up the cpu to get a bettter gpu, or you sacrifice gpu power to get a better cpu
befreud 3 months ago
amd is just best ;)
123pvpworld 4 months ago
wtf???45 and 38 fps??with these cores i get like 58 and 60 fps with gtx 480 and amd athlon ii 2.9 ghz ..how???
Sal3600 4 months ago
@Sal3600 easy: this is fake, same computer, diferent settings..
that game can run fine on a pentimum II. is a gpu bottleneck, and both have the same one.
LinuxeandoCOMar 4 months ago
@LinuxeandoCOMar i see... my bad
Sal3600 4 months ago
@Sal3600 sorry somebody add: "the cpu complements the discrete gpu in a sort of crossfire" maybe he is right
LinuxeandoCOMar 4 months ago
@Sal3600 Maybe because a GTX480 is like...hmmm...dozens of times faster than a HD6570? It's a GPU bottleneck on the comparison, not a CPU bottleneck.
Mario0Dante 4 months ago
A8 3850 works in CF ( 6570+6550D), and Intel do not. So, it's not a fair comparison.
Even birds know that AMD sucks.
zorandesign 4 months ago
@zorandesign If AMD sucks so much then why does the AMD FX-8150 perform the same as the i7 2600k for $70 less.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 4 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther Because of the integrated graphics of the FX-8150
Devilslave2 2 months ago
@Devilslave2 The FX-8150 doesn't have integrated graphics.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 1 month ago
So then, let your hearts be changed and be turned to God, so that your sins may be completely taken away, and times of blessing may come from the Lord Jesus Christ
acts 3:19
GedoMazou 4 months ago
@GedoMazou lol god isn't real
oHailPrestoNl 4 months ago
@oHailPrestoNl Man, that's impossible! Surely He's alive, don't trick yourself in people's lies...
There's no other explanation to the Universe's creation, mankind's origin, we see so many truths trough the holy bible, in enough quantity to destroy any doubt..
Today's world became so full of science that people think they can deny and skip God, this is sad..
But the days is going to get worse and worse, as we can easily see, in anywhere, and just Jesus can help us!
GedoMazou 4 months ago
@GedoMazou lol....
you sound insane. god isn't real.
oHailPrestoNl 4 months ago
@oHailPrestoNl I know, dude, that really sounds like this, but some things 'skips' our reasoning, however, that's not mean that they're lies!
Man, the more i read the bible the more i believe in Him, so many facts around us...
GedoMazou 4 months ago
this is quite funny actually. this is a comparison between 2 equally priced computer systems in the low-mid range. the point of the comparison seems to be that if you want a low-mid range machine you will get better gaming performance for your money with an amd apu than you would with an equivalently priced intel system. this video serves its purpose and is quite informative.
bappythegreat 4 months ago
Why this has turned into an argument between intel and amd fanboys I really dont know.
Based on this video, the next low-mid range PC I build with be AMD APU based. If I wanted a top of the range beastie of a machine I'd be purchasing an intel i7 system but unfortunately I cannot afford that! This video has helped me decide on the best system available for my budget. thanks!
bappythegreat 4 months ago 21
@bappythegreat That would be a mistake , get a cheap 1155 "H" motherboard and a non k 2500 and a gtx460 or gtx560 and it will blow the doors off of the A8-3850 Dual Graphics set up for only a little bit more money.
BarackMcBush 4 months ago
@bappythegreat You should bear in mind that the difference evident in this video will not manifest in every situation. Testing in this way with a single game and only one set of settings is less than conclusive evidence.
Just trying to help :)
pcwiz999 3 months ago
Blablabla amd is quad core and intel is dual core blablabla unfair comparison.
Wait.ins't this video comparing the PRICE to PERFORMANCE ratio?
For the same(cheaper for amd) price you can get a system that can play games better then intel's setup.AMD is targeting budget gamers.
TheStuffyBear 5 months ago 52
@TheStuffyBear AMD has launched the Fx lineup and they have 8 cores and 3.00 ghz per core and that my friend is definitely not budget.
FINGLANDIA8 1 month ago
@FINGLANDIA8 Budget includes price, not power.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 1 month ago
it never reached 50 fps how does it come to 50 fps average in the end...?
SeanYS1127 5 months ago
A8-3850 VS 2105 would be fair dont you think? i mean this is intels low end graphics on chip.
Lobomaster22 5 months ago
Intel fans are moaning so loud here, please for god sake. Stop being bias, and fanboyism is too much. I really hope Intel would stop paying the benchmark companies to show 'good results' for their products. It really pain in the ass when I bought a Core 2 Duo that was supposed to PERFORM better than ATHLON x2 and END up being SLOWER in real time application, but SHOW good RESULT on benchmark
malloucius 5 months ago
Yeah douchebags, the price is the same.
0MakoBlaster0 5 months ago
They do cost about the same stop complaining
gamefreak964 5 months ago
Prize on sandy's side;>
Faver11 5 months ago
i3 2100 is still working better than AMD because i3 has 2 cores although it has hyper threading but it can't be compared to the quad core...
VvUltimateHelpervV 5 months ago
seriously who the hell care about stupid technical thing (core count, clock, cache, etc). It doesn't matter as long as it provide more enjoyable experience for the same amount of money.
kakayer123 5 months ago
come on amd make this a fair comparison
drey27 6 months ago
if we are talking about dual graphiics then this is an unfair video. why? AMD can do crossfirex with APU and vidcard and core i3 can't cuz it has different IGP.
csoty33 6 months ago
The i3 2100 is only £10 less expensive than the A8-3850, so I think that it's a perfectly fair comparison.
Neoplan6o 6 months ago
Lol 3850 is cost more than a simply 2100 i3, and what if i spend this difference on a better card than a 6570? SO THAT VID IS BULLSHIT!
killer576 6 months ago
You want a comparison between an a8-3850 and i5 cpu? you say you cant compare i3(dual core) with a8-3850? How about this then, a-3850 is 130$ , i3 2100 130$, weakest i5 is 200 dollars and it would still be worse then an a8-3850, and you know why? Because by overclocking an A8-3850 you get more graphic performance up to 80% more fps in some games (+ better ram with higher frequency more fps for the APU too,best works 1600mhz ram)
GameAddictedIvy 6 months ago
I think the HD 6670 would have been better ? I'm getting 66fps average (54 min) in the same benchmark at 1920x1080 with 4xAA and everything on High when Xfired with the A8-3850.
Haawser 6 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
yeah i like it.. amd APU more better n more saving if wanna play gamezz..
luqmanadi 6 months ago
Comment removed
luqmanadi 6 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Good for budget gaming in mind I guess....
I'd rather buy a Sandy Bridge G850 and spend the saved money on something better than a 6570.
After all, an over-saturated CPU is not as big of a problem as an GPU over-saturated. Plus, within a few more paychecks, I'd just upgrade to a quad core sandy bridge (just for bragging's sake).
BritaniaRuleAgain 6 months ago
Comment removed
BritaniaRuleAgain 6 months ago
How did you set up dual graphics mode? I have both the A-3850 and a HD 6670 but it won't show the crossfire option under ccc/performance tab. What did you install driver wise? Thanks in advance.
FuriosoDreadnought 6 months ago
Comment removed
darthbandon10 6 months ago
not bad, considering that the i3 system would be about $40 more expensive.
bro589 6 months ago
ati radeon
watnoufrank 6 months ago
amd is quad core, the i3 is dual core.
ramfery23 6 months ago 38
@ramfery23 but a3850 and i3-2100 have this same prize
ziolopalacz1996 6 months ago
@ziolopalacz1996
And since when that matters?
Pedroxpvista 6 months ago
@ziolopalacz1996 hooo ok the reparations is price performance what you get with the same amount of money.
got it
ramfery23 6 months ago
@ziolopalacz1996 doesnt matter, because the i3 is superior to most dual core cpu's from amd
FullM3tal7ack3t 6 months ago
@FullM3tal7ack3t no, intel's marketing is superior to amd's XD
UltimatePwnageNL 6 months ago
@UltimatePwnageNL lol.... tell me a dual core from amd that beats i3...
FullM3tal7ack3t 6 months ago
@ramfery23
price comparison
MrFher007 6 months ago
@ramfery23
But AMD has a slower clock speed
KatiushaVN4 6 months ago
@ramfery23 A8 is $10 more expensive, performs 2x better...
dannydathua 5 months ago
@dannydathua 20 more
21boxhead 5 months ago
@ramfery23 Ovi a $135 quad core chip isn't going to preform as well as a $200-300 chip. and for some reason people, such as yourself, try to compare them as if its a high end gaming gpu. Its just like the 1090t and the 980x. People would compare them as if its a fair test because of the cores even though the 980x is $600 more. That is just an extreme example of what is going on here. This is a fair test as both of the chips are similarly priced.
sbachins 5 months ago
@ramfery23 They are comparing based on price tags, as far as I know. Also, the i3 has four threads. I think the most fair comparison should involve the most powerful i3 of the line-up.
JackBandicootsBunker 5 months ago
@ramfery23 Point is?
IAmSomeoneOrOther 5 months ago
@ramfery23 dirt3 is designed to use 2 core ;) so dosent metter you can compare even 6 core vs 2 core . the clock is all that matters
Xsnac 5 months ago
@ramfery23 Indeed, an i5 will beat the crap out of it. Thats why i bought an i5? It whas sooo fast against my X4.... After a day i wanted that intel core i7. its just a heaven for me!
giokabouter 5 months ago
@giokabouter i was a 9 year amd user...3 weeks ago i switched to i5...it rocks...beats the crap of any amd i think
axlhm 5 months ago
@ramfery23 Actually i3 performs much better than Llano APU in most tasks (except for video rendering). In this test AMD performs better only because it uses AMD Fusion (integrated GPU chip works here with HD 6570).
DriverGear 5 months ago
@ramfery23
They cost the same...is a comparsion in cost/results.
Graycr0w 5 months ago
@Graycr0w cant agree with you more
Uumpaa 5 months ago
@ramfery23 both cpus cost the same, it doesn't matter if one has more cores.
eltano06 4 months ago
For a budget gaming computer the 3850 in combination with the HD6570/6670 seems like the best choice.
Do you have Bad Company 2, if so can you post a comparison? Would love to see.
mablo88123 6 months ago
A8-3850 VS i5 2400 would be fair comparsion
21boxhead 7 months ago 16
@21boxhead not considering price are you?
csuci805 6 months ago
@21boxhead price ?
TomaCukor 6 months ago
@TomaCukor price what? comparing just by price is stupid,unfair and prices can change overnight.
21boxhead 6 months ago
@21boxhead if i wanna buy a cpu , i have some amount of money for it , say $200 and i want to get the best i can for the money ... how is that stupid ?
TomaCukor 6 months ago
@TomaCukor then go look into benchmark sites
21boxhead 6 months ago
@21boxhead if you look at the price, it wouldn't be, because A8-3850 costs just a little more than i3 2100, way less than 2100+6570 actually, still delivers better performance, at least in the graphics department
daktrdre 6 months ago
@21boxhead well the a8-3850 price is lower then the i5 it close to the i3 .. but more cheaper
MrHayat94 6 months ago
@MrHayat94 intel's cheapest 2nd gen i-series but this is not amd's cheapest new series so its unfair why dont they compare to A6-3650 or lower instead of much more powerful A8-3850
21boxhead 6 months ago
@MrHayat94 even the cheaper A6-3650 can beat this i3-2100 in performance and its around the same price range
21boxhead 6 months ago
@21boxhead
not really, these are price comparisons... the 3850 and the 2100 are in the same range, the 2400 wouldn't be in that area anymore.
Superloser89 6 months ago
@Superloser89 as in performance A8-3850 will still beat i5-2400 and that's around 50 dollars more! thats should be the argument there not whats in same price range. just look in the passmark website.
21boxhead 6 months ago
@21boxhead Think about the cost.
YuriPlanzo 5 months ago
@YuriPlanzo I explained it already
21boxhead 5 months ago
@21boxhead
-.- both in the same price comparison...(a8 vs i3)
A8-3850 - $139.99 (QUAD core @2.9 Ghz) + 4mb L2 cache +Integrated GRAPHICS (6550D) add 6670 and you will have a great low powered, low temp, and good gaming experience computer.
i3-2100 - $124.99 (dual core @3.1 Ghz) + 512kb L2 cache, 3mb L3 cache
i5-2400 - $189.99 (quad core @3.1 Ghx) ....
$189.99 - $139.99 = $40 difference
Vertig0HTM 5 months ago
@Vertig0HTM OK? intel and amd have different price range for there products, i3 is the lowest on intels side on its current gen while amd is A4-3300 that came out just yesterday(sep7) that will cost 70 i believe you compare both there lowest ends not price thats just not fair period
21boxhead 5 months ago
@21boxhead I understand, but the fact remains that this was a price comparison... (virtually same price for processors) and you get more with amd for the same price, period.
Vertig0HTM 5 months ago
@Vertig0HTM compare performance on a4 to i3 then make the argument of price after
21boxhead 5 months ago
@21boxhead
Dude I don't want to be rude to you but you just seem like a Intel fanboy to me now.... We compare processors with the same price points!!! A8-3850 as I wrote before (read what I write next time) costs about the same as i3-2100! On the other hand A4-3400 (which you want to compare to i3-2100) costs $79.99, and thus NOT in the same price point range! If this is not clear to you than you're just a "TROLL" who desperately needs attention on Youtube.
Vertig0HTM 5 months ago
@Vertig0HTM DUDE really? the video is comparing Performance here not price so unfair comparison A8-3850 still beat i5-2400 and that's 50 dollars more, performance comparison is needed for this and about me being a Intel fan boy lol please, I got this A8-3850 chip and using it now. This chip is best bang for the dollar for 2011.
21boxhead 5 months ago
@21boxhead
You got A8? good for you...stop troling :)
Vertig0HTM 5 months ago
@Vertig0HTM eat dick :D
21boxhead 5 months ago
@21boxhead You can't compare it to the i5, this a8 is at the same price as an i3-2120 the only difference being 3.3ghz instead of 3.1. AMD will release the newer apu's next year. They are supposed to be 50% faster than these. Those could compare to the i5/i7 but we will have to wait and see :p
The amd apu's rock! top bang for your buck. I am getting one of these for school and mmo's and building a gaming rig later :p. i5/i7 in a laptop is like driving a bugatti in town.
BladeHunterXD 5 months ago
@21boxhead The i5 2400 kicks the shit out of the AMD Phenom II x4 955. The Phenom II x4 955 outperforms the A8-3850. So no, it wouldn't be a fair comparison.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 5 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther look in passmark site and also it wont beat every test so yeah i5 2400 will be fair comparsion
21boxhead 5 months ago
@21boxhead You must be retarded, as the i5 2400 does beat the A8-3850 in everything.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 5 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther Can you back that up?
21boxhead 5 months ago
@21boxhead Why yes I can.
anandtech (.) com/bench/Product/399?vs=363
IAmSomeoneOrOther 5 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther funny i go to different benchmark sites they have all different results but mainly go to passmark does beat i5 the sample are taken from average computers who then uploaded to other sample but its close but still either way its still fair comparison its close
21boxhead 5 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther does beat some tests but there should be more
21boxhead 5 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther remember some are "lower is better" so yeah it does beat it in most tests
21boxhead 5 months ago
@21boxhead I am now convinced you are a complete retard.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 5 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther no I said "fair comparsion" comparsion on this i3 vs A8-3850 is not fair and if you go to different benchmark sites all have different outcomes.
21boxhead 5 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther what? there is no information whatsoever on that site about the video card used. if their test bench doesn't happen to use one of the 3 video card supported by amd's dual mode graphics the biggest bonuses you see from this apu are rendered useless. i challenge you to beat amd's performance here with an intel system FOR THE SAME PRICE bearing in mind that the architecture is entirely different.
bappythegreat 5 months ago
@bappythegreat *face desk*
Everyone.
AND I FUCKING MEAN EVERYONE.
Knows that Intel's i3s, i5s, and i7s, beat AMD's Athlon IIs/Phenom IIs/Llanos if both are clocked at the same speed.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 5 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther Then you don't know much
dragonbane44 5 months ago
@dragonbane44 Fuck off Troll.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 5 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther Instead of name calling why don't you put more effort in researching and benchmarking. There are plenty of videos that can refute your claim. You really don't know much.
dragonbane44 5 months ago
@dragonbane44 So let me get this straight.
You think a i3 2100 with a Radeon HD 6670 can't beat a A8-3850 with a Radeon HD 6670.
WITHOUT the "CrossFire" enabled.
How about you do research?
Oh, and what else would I call you? An miss-informed dumbass?
IAmSomeoneOrOther 5 months ago
@dragonbane44 Come to think of it, miss-informed jackass would be a better choice.
IAmSomeoneOrOther 5 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther You are watching a video of Llano beating i3 and yet you are saying otherwise. I think its you who's really trolling. Blind retard.
dragonbane44 4 months ago
@dragonbane44 *facepalm*
The A8-3850's integrated graphics are the equal of a Radeon HD 6670. The other video card running in tandem with the integrated one is a Radeon HD 6570. If a Radeon HD 5770 was used in this example the i3 2100 would win.
Now time for the "fuck off troll/blind retard".
IAmSomeoneOrOther 4 months ago
@IAmSomeoneOrOther *overtly dramatic facedesk*
Do you even check what you write?? A8-3850's integrated graphics are Radeon HD6550 not HD6670. Now how did you know i3 would run faster with HD5770 when it didn't even with HD6570?
Obvious trolls are... obvious.
dragonbane44 4 months ago
@dragonbane44 *sigh*
I take it you like talking out of your ass?
1. The A8-3850's graphics is the Radeon HD 6550D.
2. The Radeon HD 6550D performs the same as the Radeon HD 6670.
3. The Radeon HD 6570 worked with the Radeon HD 6550D on the A8-3850. The Radeon HD 6570 worked alone when with the i3 2100. The Radeon HD 5770 would've worked alone with both.
I'm surprised you didn't even bother to make sure you weren't talking out of your ass.
And finally... "obvious troll is obvious".
IAmSomeoneOrOther 4 months ago
@21boxhead that's how marketing works, amd just use one of their high end cpu and compare to low end intel's....
johnchen0213 4 months ago
that's an unfair comparison A8-3850 can beat i7 2400 in benchmarks alone so a 2100 completely unfair
21boxhead 7 months ago
@21boxhead if he compare both IGP alone, then yes. but if this benchmark disable both IGP and run discrete gpu only, the result will turned upside down, since i3-2100 compute power is faster than A3850
jonap1st 6 months ago
Hey guys, I'll buy a XFX 6570 ddr3 1gb and my question is: i have a dual core e5200, it will bottleneck? please answer fast...
netoneze 7 months ago
could you do the dual graphics thing with the A8-3850 with any ati/amd card. for instance, a 6770?
Sknoob728 7 months ago
@Sknoob728 No, this is because a 6770 will not be able to xfire with the cpu's card. There are specific cards you can xfire with the A8-3850, the highest being the 6670. I learned this the hard way lol.
8TMILLION 7 months ago
@8TMILLION ok thanks. just realized your the guy im subscribed to :)
Sknoob728 7 months ago
Is that the low profile 6570 that you're doing this with? Also.. is it 1GB?
gamez101 7 months ago
not a big deference!!! hmm.. intel is the best, AMD is a bad ass
NightSord 7 months ago
OC the A8 and get 30% more FPS in DX11, 2.8GHZ, 3.6GHZ on AIR!
4Th3Truthful 7 months ago
The A8 is too dependent on the type of ram you use, and the driver's are too infant.
BritaniaRuleAgain 7 months ago
i5 2500+HD6570 please!
pops201x 7 months ago
can i use 6670 in dual graphics mode ?
ehab007bob 7 months ago
@ehab007bob You can add any 6000 card
champion1642 7 months ago
@champion1642 No, only up to the 6670
muereteborre 7 months ago
@muereteborre not true it wont work with a 6990 but with all the other 6000 series you will be fine!
MrComputereviews 7 months ago
@MrComputereviews You're wrong. It only supports entry level video cards, read from any tech site and you'll see. Search for "supported dual graphics combinations" and you'll see a chart with all the info.
Don't give false information.
muereteborre 7 months ago