This is a very good video and I do not understand why anyone would criticize this guard for spinning since he was safe at all times and his assailants were not. Even in linear situations 1 on 1 you will see a Ba Gua fighter move like this: he will end up behind his opponent or at an angle with the opponent open to him and he will be safe. Ba Gua's effectiveness is well demonstrated in this vid.
I do respect Mr. Painter's internal skill, I just have one question: Is Bagua really about turning one's back to the opponent? I see him doing it 3 or 4 times here -which is more than I would have preferred.. And while it's much harder to hit a spinning fighter than it looks, there is always an increased danger when turning one's back, as there's at least a split second when you're not in complete control of the situation -no matter your sensitivity etc. -Or am I missing something here?
@piaten Thanks for the comments. The first turn is an arm bar release. The second spin to stop a kick and build momentum for palm slap, third to get behind the guy to throw him into the other one. The attempt failed so he got pushed. In CQB with more than one you cannot think about strategy you move flow and change with what you are given. I did not plan this it just came out the way you see it. Also for some reason the fight clip is a great deal slower on You Tube than the original.
@DrinkUpJohny I think you are right that you should stay with Karate as you are really not mature enough in martial arts to see what is going on in this scene. Not everyone takes a big wide stance and dukes it out with combatants. There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreampt of in your philosophy my young friend.
@DrinkUpJohny You have totally missed the point of both martial arts and what he was doing. Nobody was injured, he wasn't touched, and he was in control of both men. The fight ended before it began. To put it a way you might comprehend... REAL martial artists learn the Miyagi way, YOU want the Kobra Kai way. It sounds like you want some "Mixed Martial Arts" combat. That is lame to me...
Thank you for your comment. Yes, you are correct at least that is what a number of older Chinese masters from the time before the Chinese Cultural Revolution have said on witnessing the Jiulong Baguazhang system methods.
@8stepsifu Yes, this is one of the first unrehearsed takes of the scene from the video series. We did very little rehearsal and wanted to make it more reals so each take is a bit different. Thanks for your comments.
@8stepsifu It was most famously used by palace guards actually. Bajiquan is what is often referred to as the "bodyguard" martial art. I know some baji, it's nasty stuff. It incorporates some circular footwork in yingmen sanbugu, but favors smaller defensive angles like xingyi and very hard hitting percussive techniques. Bajiquan is famous for its explosive, compact body and elbow strikes used in the pocket after clinching or trapping and opening guard.
Please check the text accompanying the video. This is from a video production. Although some fights during my time in security and as a bodyguard did involve, guns and knives not all altercations do. Here we are depicting a character in a video it is not meant to be an instructional film for the correct conduct of a security guard, just an unrehearsed hand to hand fight scene to open a section of our Baguazhang Combat video series.
This is a very good video and I do not understand why anyone would criticize this guard for spinning since he was safe at all times and his assailants were not. Even in linear situations 1 on 1 you will see a Ba Gua fighter move like this: he will end up behind his opponent or at an angle with the opponent open to him and he will be safe. Ba Gua's effectiveness is well demonstrated in this vid.
lebarosky 3 months ago
Very cool!But the two guys look like pedophiles...Big congratz to the Guard for teaching them a lesson.
MasterofrandomAlex 5 months ago
To me it seems like the power is always coming from the turn.
dung159 7 months ago
I do respect Mr. Painter's internal skill, I just have one question: Is Bagua really about turning one's back to the opponent? I see him doing it 3 or 4 times here -which is more than I would have preferred.. And while it's much harder to hit a spinning fighter than it looks, there is always an increased danger when turning one's back, as there's at least a split second when you're not in complete control of the situation -no matter your sensitivity etc. -Or am I missing something here?
piaten 8 months ago
@piaten Thanks for the comments. The first turn is an arm bar release. The second spin to stop a kick and build momentum for palm slap, third to get behind the guy to throw him into the other one. The attempt failed so he got pushed. In CQB with more than one you cannot think about strategy you move flow and change with what you are given. I did not plan this it just came out the way you see it. Also for some reason the fight clip is a great deal slower on You Tube than the original.
thegompa 8 months ago
gay lol all he did was spin in a bunch of circles,turned me off completly I was going to take classes and now im just going to stick with karate.
DrinkUpJohny 9 months ago
@DrinkUpJohny I think you are right that you should stay with Karate as you are really not mature enough in martial arts to see what is going on in this scene. Not everyone takes a big wide stance and dukes it out with combatants. There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreampt of in your philosophy my young friend.
thegompa 8 months ago
@DrinkUpJohny You have totally missed the point of both martial arts and what he was doing. Nobody was injured, he wasn't touched, and he was in control of both men. The fight ended before it began. To put it a way you might comprehend... REAL martial artists learn the Miyagi way, YOU want the Kobra Kai way. It sounds like you want some "Mixed Martial Arts" combat. That is lame to me...
Cahlwyn 4 months ago
bad ass!
haruskyy 10 months ago
very realistic demo.
Sinderking 10 months ago
funny vid the way an overweight security gaurd can still pull this off makes this style seem interesting
smokinthepot 1 year ago
very nice!!
silatk 1 year ago
this was awesome..very aweomse
Belphybear 1 year ago
Sir, you are one the very few people who actually know what your doing in kung fu. Thank you.
jung567 1 year ago
This was pretty cool.
jeffdoeskungfu 1 year ago
oh thats why they turn in bagua.
pochazet 1 year ago
This is old school bagua. From what I understand It was invented by a bodyguard.
8stepsifu 1 year ago
@8stepsifu,
Thank you for your comment. Yes, you are correct at least that is what a number of older Chinese masters from the time before the Chinese Cultural Revolution have said on witnessing the Jiulong Baguazhang system methods.
Thank you
John Painter
thegompa 1 year ago
@8stepsifu Yes, this is one of the first unrehearsed takes of the scene from the video series. We did very little rehearsal and wanted to make it more reals so each take is a bit different. Thanks for your comments.
thegompa 1 year ago
@8stepsifu It was most famously used by palace guards actually. Bajiquan is what is often referred to as the "bodyguard" martial art. I know some baji, it's nasty stuff. It incorporates some circular footwork in yingmen sanbugu, but favors smaller defensive angles like xingyi and very hard hitting percussive techniques. Bajiquan is famous for its explosive, compact body and elbow strikes used in the pocket after clinching or trapping and opening guard.
TheHobophobic 10 months ago
Good old Dr Painter he has contributed a lott to tha MA world.
michahman 2 years ago
"and don't forget yr beer!"
nice turning...
richardshapiroII 2 years ago
Merci, Dr. Painter. Your Teachings have saved many Lives. Respect
LawOVonE 2 years ago
I'm sure his combat skills are the real deal but tactically this is not how you operate as a security guard.
Knives and guns come into play, the guys may return later for payback, you can get taken to court and lose your job etc
redtortoise76 2 years ago
Dear Red Tortoise,
Please check the text accompanying the video. This is from a video production. Although some fights during my time in security and as a bodyguard did involve, guns and knives not all altercations do. Here we are depicting a character in a video it is not meant to be an instructional film for the correct conduct of a security guard, just an unrehearsed hand to hand fight scene to open a section of our Baguazhang Combat video series.
Thanks
John P. Painter
thegompa 2 years ago
hilarious scene awesome non-lethal fighting
unjedi007 2 years ago
Nice! :-)
Samoobramba 2 years ago
my friend Daniel is his student
says hes the real deal
xoenhit 2 years ago
There you go Dr. Painter! Texas Ranger style! LOL!!! This is great, I've done security work for years! Thank you for the upload!
hyubgaek 2 years ago
Thank you Dr. Painter for this video.
casey19901 2 years ago
Wow, brings back memories Dr. Painter. Your videos are really great and practicle.
Thanks for posting this classic clip.
Chaz
ChazNineDragon 2 years ago
painter is the jack. one of my friends is his student and tells me the guy is for real and a bad ass.
tao123chi 2 years ago
Best believe it Buddy!!! He's nice as a friend but you don't wanna mess with him.
khayr99 2 years ago