He conveniently ignores that FDR, a liberal progressive, led the fight on fascism while conservative Republicans were isolationists. Fascism is always the jack booted thug. There is no namby pamby fascism any more than there is namby pamby Stalinism. "Soft fascism" is an oxymoron and any actual fascist will tell you that (when Carlin invented the term he was referring to capitalist entities forming a consensus based on lies). Goldberg never mentions Duke, Rockwell, the KKK etc.
I did read the book. Biggest piece of crap ever. Very easy to debunk if you know the facts. Goldberg is the biggest 5 year old on the planet. Read actual scholars on the subject: Paxton, Griffin, Seldes, Bosworth, Gentile. Goldberg is a lying fraud.
Much like the GOP today, the Nazi party in 1932 promised Germany a retrenchment of the values of big business and a return to virtues of a religious faith in fear patriarchy & nationalism. Fascism like Goldberg's market fundamentalism promise the return of an imaginary past.The German precedent represents the proposition that 5% of the US population should control or consume 40 or 50% of societies resources & this is a proposition that a solid majority of civilization can no longer accept.
@jazzbo66zz Do you believe that gov has the right to force us to purchase a product at gun point? Do you believe that gov has the right to force doctors and other professionals to be solely under its control and not allowed to operate independently? Mussolini wanted ALL workers and associations including businesses under gov management and control. So did Hitler.
@jazzbo66zz Seriously, go read from the horse's mouth rather than what your college professors taught you. Go listen to talk radio(Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Mark Levin) or read their books especially Thomas Sowell. Hitler did not like the free market and hated the beourgeoisie as he lumped them in with the Jews, so there is no "market fundamentalism" w/him and he was not a fan of big business & hated Christianity.
Yes, Chicago School economists supported a series of Fascist revolutions, military coups and failed Utopias across Latin America with a shock doctrine that collapsed the economy & Gov of Argentina in 2001. If you turn up the hate radio that informs you loud enough you may be able to drown out history? Church ministers in Germany adopted a similar practice instructing the choir to raise their voices in an attempt to drown out the screams of the Jews as the trains passed during services
@Aegius Chicago School economists supported a series of Fascist revolutions, military coups and failed Utopias across Latin America with a shock doctrine that collapsed the economy & Gov of Argentina in 2001. If you turn up the hate radio that informs you loud enough & you may be able to drown out history? Church ministers in Germany adopted a similar practice instructing the choir to raise their voices in an attempt to drown out the screams of the Jews as the trains passed during services
Your populist defense of Fascism I have no doubt rests upon a solid foundation of myths engendered by years of listening to right wing talk radio as you yourself have suggested. To the unlikely event that even a shard of history should be permitted to cast its long shadow over your market driven Utopian dream for the individual, remember Hitler's maxim; 'Competition helps to cultivate the individual fighter and mankind often owes its success in part to this very doctrine of competition'
Democracy evolves because the market economy devolves. Noah shudders at the threat democracy poses to his free market fundamentalism. He proposes an ideology that appeals to the imagination of hatred where the dread of equality expresses a deep seated terror at the imaginary specter of justice set loose upon his vision of a free market Utopia. The Republican politics are a politics of resentment. Dissembling front men like Noah represent the last propagandists for a hateful economic hierarchy.
@jazzbo66zz "Democracy evolves because the market economy devolves." You definitely went to college. Market economy devolves via gov take-over. That means more socialism or at least more Fascism via more gov control. Market economy means people operating independent of gov in voluntary transactions. That is called liberty, which is opposite of gov control that mean socialism or Fascism. The Right isn't seeking a Utopia. Never did. The Left has sought Utopia many times & created Hell for it.
Capitalist Utopia is a fading pipe dream & the economic equivalent of Social Darwinism put in force in the form of legislation for the Eugenics laws in the US which provided Hitler's inspiration for the Nazi Racial Hygiene Program. The GOP's free market Utopia must first eliminate democracy to pursue its vision of a perfect society operating as a theater of violent economic conflict between individuals locked in combat to eliminate all but the most ruthless predators. Survive & rule.
@jazzbo66zz "the imaginary specter of justice set loose upon his vision of a free market Utopia." Wow. You really did go to college. Which Ivy League school screwed you over this badly? No one anywhere stated that the free market brings a Utopia, but gradual improvement. Seriously, go read Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, Thomas Sowell. They don't talk of Utopia, but of gov making things worse w/ or w/o intention. The implementation of justice is done by government, not by the freemarket.
The right opposes democracy with an apocalyptic vision to inspire genocidal killers who glorify violence as the mechanism that will lead to the end of history. Theirs is an ecstatic belief in the cleansing power of apocalyptic violence that does not recognize the right of their victims to self-defense. The GOP sees democracy through this distorting lens as a mutation that must be eradicated to halt further infection & moral degeneration within society, to usher in their absolutist market Utopia
The Fascists attacked liberalism because it seemed to them the principle premise of modern society. Theirs was a resentment of loneliness; their one desire was for a new faith, a new community of believers, a world with fixed standards and no doubts, a new national religion that would bind all Germans together. All this liberalism denied. Hence they hated liberalism, blamed it for making outcasts of them for uprooting them from their imaginary past, and from their faith. –Fritz Stern
Noah Goldberg is a paid shill. His entire public career has been financed by right wing corporate largess. Every thing he charges on his plastic is bought and paid for by Koch Industries, Joseph Coors and unnamed sources associated with the Carlisle Investment Group. Noah's ears are anntenae, if you unscrew his head and look inside you will find a receiver tuned to Fox News.
Germany's market economy is the only reliable means to assuring that the nations wealth remain in the hands of those who inherit it. We will demonstrate that society does not exist. We will venerate not the Marxist nor the Jew but only the heroic individual of pure blood. We must preserve the mechanisms of the free market to eliminate the degenerate, the unfit and the unwanted. The weak must be permitted to perish and the strong to prevail in the contest of survival. Adolf Hitler 1925
Fascism is capitalism in crisis. Capitalism is dysfunctional to the extent that it can no longer operate without massive public assistance in the form of billions either as privatization or billions in nefarious contracts with a trillion $ budget to provide for the annihilation of the Fortune 500’s rivals while facilitating the expropriate the worlds resources. Republican lawmakers have crated the largest prison system the world has ever seen but Fascism still represents total freedom for $!
@jazzbo66zz "The party is all-embracing. It rules our lives in all their breadth and depth. We must therefore develop branches of the party in which the whole of individual life will be reflected. Each activity and each need of the individual will thereby be regulated by the party as the representative of the general good. There will be no license, no free space, in which the individual belongs to himself. This is Socialism--not such trifles as the private possession of the means of production."
@jazzbo66zz & I referred to speeches of Hitler where he advocated from Marxism directly. Now let's look at the ACTUAL record. Hermann Goering's 4 year central plan from 1936 to 1940. Public works project such as the Autobahn. Gov take-over of health care and imposing it upon Holland and elsewhere. Gov controling how business is run w/dictates directly from the central gov. State auditors frequently visited businesses to ensure compliance w/gov dictates.
@jazzbo66zz When Repubs refer to the "free market", they aren't talking about a specific group of people, but the innumerable voluntary transactions that businesses engage in. If there is a party like the Nazis, that would be the Democrats who are forcing businesses to comply w/ byzantine bureaucracies to dictate to businesses w/numerous regulations. and forcing people to deal w/cos at gun point including health care.
It is disingenuous to imagine capitalism in the romantic vocabulary it was invented with. In historical experience this ideology has given birth to a corporate state that has eviscerated and consumed the democracy of its origin. Capitalism is now a dictatorship that is controlled by a handful of people & built on an internationalist concept by those who have accepted the tragic illusion that all economic growth profits humanity, & that the greater the growth the greater the prosperity.
@jazzbo66zz Mostly silly, baseless ad hominem attacks. You went to college, didn't you? Go to the Repub party website and read for yourself. Capitalism is not the dictatorship. Socialism is with gov controlling things as much as possible via massive bureaucracies. Google "Obamacare chart" and see the system of bureaucracies that the Dems want to impose on us via health. Who is seeking to force us to purchase a product? Answer: the Dems, not Repubs. These are actions, not theory.
Yes, my "silly baseless ad hominem attacks"on Fascism link right wing mass movements past to the present GOP & are in part based on 30+ years of research by Robert Altemeyer at U of M, plus a body of literature incl. Erich Fromm's seminal; Anatomy of Human Destructiveness. As concerns the radicalization of the GOP; "The embarrassment wherein he finds himself produces in him the most criminal passions imaginable against that truth
that blames & convinces him of his faults" -Pascal
@jazzbo66zz Read the GOP docs themselves rather than BS studies. F--- university "studies". During the 1970's university studies "showed" that divorces had not effect on the emotional and psychological well being of kids. Fraud has been proven regarding global warming. I don't care about university studies, but what comes from the horses mouth. F--- studies. & BTW, eugenics came from the Left, which you probably didn't learn in your "studies", but were duped into the opposite. F--- "studies".
@Aegius Hitler is alluding to the collectivist nature of the free market w/ its highly standardized “individualists”. Substitute "the free market" for "the party" and you approximate Hitlers intended meaning. Once you learn to decode these kinds of slogans one is struck by their similarity to the rhetoric of the modern GOP. The "party" he spoke to are familiar today as the Republican tea party “individualists” who fall into line when the "liberal" is offered as a contemporary scapegoat.
@jazzbo66zz The free market is NOT collectivist in nature. Socialism is collectivist in nature. The point of the free market is voluntary transactions leading to people getting their wants & needs met via supply and demand. Collectivism refers to gov dictating centrally how production is to occur and how goods and services are to be distributed. Everyone's effort goes into a central system which then provides a certain amount to every person in a specific manner person that the system dictates.
Capitalism in the reality of historical experience operates a collectivized corporate cartel built on an inexorable monopoly on the accumulation of wealth. Legislation of a body of property law is to insure the upward redistribution of wealth & power to be retained in the hands of a self interested elite. Hitler understood this & quickly assimilated the most pliable elements of industry protestantism & the professions to wage war against Jews Marx and Democracy. Welcome to the GOP!
@jazzbo66zz No. Capitalism operates as a historical reality of a competitive market with independent parties constantly competing with each other. A collective corporate cartel is formed when gov puts regulations & laws galore to prevent small businesses from being formed to compete. Legislation of law toward wealth going upward is Fascism, not capitalism. Hitler hated Christianity and turned to Marx with gov-run operations and planning. Welcome to the Fascists.
If the existence of Social Security, the US Postal Service or US Army Corps of Engineers did not reduce the US to a communist dictatorship I have some difficulty imagining why a publicly funded health insurance program should do so now. Canada has had a social democracy and a national health care program for how many years now and I have seen no one goose stepping around in jack boots...have you? The GOP hates democracy unless the Gov is funneling trillions into war, prisons or weapons
@jazzbo66zz The USPS is bankrupt. Medicaid is bankrupt. Medicare is bankrupt. Social Security is operating in the red as it is bankrupt. That is the end game of Social democracy. The same applies to Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Ireland & UK: all bankrupt as the money has run out. Canada is actually privatizing its health ins program as there is no money. Same w/UK &Germany. Wake up and smell the coffee. The GOP doesn't ad nauseum turn to courts if elections are lost. The Dems do.
@jazzbo66zz That was another quote from Hitler. Here is another: ""Of what importance is that if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them then own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the party, is supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or workers. All that, you see, is unessential. Our Socialism goes far deeper...."
Facism is an inherently right-wing phlosophy. Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon supported the overhrow of the democratically-elected moderate Marxist Salvador Allende installing the fascist Augusto Pinochet who murdered thousands of Chileans. "Totalitarian Capitalism" is the phrase used at the Nuremburg trials to describe Hitler's Germany.
Great post, Hitler was supported by the identical set of business interests in Germany that rule America today. Armaments manufacture and perpetual war against an imaginary other is the zeitgeist of our time...again. The right wing has one reliable rhetorical device and that is fear not reason not responsibility and never historical experience.
@jazzbo66zz Hitler HATED the business interests. He hated business people and had gov control businesses as much as possible. There was even a 4-year gov plan by Hermann Goering. Health care was completely taken over by gov under Hitler along w/banks & automobile. Fascism is antagonistic to the free market as it is to organize people into associations under the thumb of government rather than free from government as the free market states. That is what Miussolini wanted.
Hitler LOVED markets & Fascism is the political corollary of monopoly capitalism. The Nazi's formed a de facto coalition government backed by an international consortium of corporate business interests & professional elites. The structure of the party then closely resembles our GOP today & subverted democracy to create a one party system. The Nazi's recruited the professions of Medicine & Psychiatry who gladly participated in genocide for their own professional aggrandizement.
@jazzbo66zz No. Hitler took his economic ideas from Marx. ""I have learned a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit. The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen-pushers have timidly begun.... National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order." - Hitler. GOP has many different groups. Nazi Party only had 2: SS & SA.
@jazzbo66zz The GOP and Nazis have nothing in common. GOP allows for dissenting groups within itself. Nazis allowed for no dissent in their party. Capitalism operates best WITHOUT gov assistance. Gov assistance turns businesses into dependents on gov money. When there is no gov money, businesses learn to sustain themselves.
The GOP today reflects the classic demographic profile of a fascist coalition. The psychological profile of of a Nazi as well as the standard Republican constituent today is that of a right wing authoritarian shaped from childhood to be a fearful, unthinkingly obedient, self righteous bully who instantly complies with the demands of authority when ordered to attack The GOP comprises of 3 narrow interests,corporate/ military, right wing religious extremism & nationalistic xenophobia
@jazzbo66zz LOL! The GOP consists of a series of groups that often disagree with each other. The traditional Republicans of Nixon, the conservatives and Libertarians all have sharp disagreements with each other. You don't what you are talking about on the GOP. Lay off the Dem propoganda and read what GOP docs themselves say. There isn't religious extremism or nationalistic xenophobia. Legal immigration is wanted, not illegal.
Moderates and conservatives are long gone from the Republican Party. What remains is a core of radical rightists who answer to the dictates of the parties Fortune 500 donors & Christian Reconstructionists of RJ Rushdoony's ilk such as GOP consultant Gary North. Any attempt to link Conservatism to the extremist fringe of the new GOP's Dominionist economics or theology is naive. Most GOP voters now believe civilization will be destroyed in an apocalyptic battle w/ evil in our lifetime
@jazzbo66zz Moderates & conservatives have been flocking to the Repubs, b/c moderates aren't allowed in the Dem party anymore. Obama proved that by manipulating moderates into his Fascist health care bill(I will NEVER purchase a product at gunpoint including health ins.). I won't go into your conspiracy theorist nonsense crap. I read your comments. They aren't based upon GOP literature, but conspiracy theorist drivel. Enough said.
@jazzbo66zz Here is my favorite real study: "I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University. " - William F Buckley, Jr. F--- studies. I'll gladly replace every member of Congress w/people who serve behind the counters at coffee shops for the next 20 years & college professors are BANNED from office. F--- studies.
@jazzbo66zz Don't give me studies. Give me actions. Who is seeking to impose the Fascist Obamacare, which is a massive bureaucratic nightmare that Obama & his cronies want to FORCE people to participate in at gun point? Answer: the Dems. Who is seeking to stop it? Answer: The Republicans. Who is seeking to force people at gun point to pay for a product? Democrats. Stop them? Repubs. Who is seeking to have gov run the economy as much as possible: Dems, w/Repubs opposing. Enough said. F--- studies
Action? Why do you suppose the great Fascist Benito Mussolini promoted himself as 'a man of action' ? Because mass movement ideology demands action to interpose a fact proof screen between the faithful and the inconvenient realities of the available world. It does this by claiming that the ultimate & absolute truth is already embodied in the ideology & there can be no valid knowledge or experience outside of it. Your Fascist ideology is the closed system George Orwell warned us about
Great post ! The invention of a liberal conspiracy is really the right wing's way of undermining democracy as a consensus by evoking a false moral panic. It is difficult to judge but I get the impression that the public has some sense of having been misled by the right wing media elite that Jonah Goldberg speaks for. Public policy as influenced by the Heritage Foundation has been a social economic & political catastrophy for the US at least in historical experience. Neocons are liberals
The man IS a fool! Knows sweet FA of what he is talking about & is Glenn Becks wet dream! Facism, Communism, Socialism, Liberalism...
Facism: Anti-non-native, anti-gay, anti-democratic, anti-religion, anti-equality, (Hitler) Communism: Anti-democratic, anti-religion, "some are more equal..." Stalin, Mao. Socialism: All embracing, anti-raist, anti-homophobic, democratic, pro-faith. Nobody should be left wanting. (not,Hitler,Stalin etc) Liberal democratic...
So Hitler, the leader of the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party, wasn't a socialist?
Also how democratic was Stalin or Mao?
You think Stalin was anti-racist? You should talk to some Ukranians or google about the Holodomor..
Also Stalin was pro-faith? Seriously, that's just a retarded statement.
And everyone (except for the political class) under Stalin was left wanting because socialism doesn't work, it doesn't work as fascism, communism, or progressivism.
No, Hitler was not a socialist. Nazi Germany and the USSR had nothing in common ideologically or economically. The Ukraine famine was a natural disaster taken to an artificial extent by mismanagement. There is no proof that it was a deliberate attempt by the Soviet government to kill off Ukranians. Stalin cut back some of the restrictions Lenin put on organized religion. He was not anti-faith. You obviously know nothing about Stalin or socialism beyond what you've been told in high school.
@IPlayWithFire135 You think the Ukrainian Holodomor was a natural disaster? You're basically a Holocaust Denier for such an idiotic statement. What a disgusting bit of historical revisionism.
The Soviets forced the Ukrainians to export their wheat for the "greater good" and the result was a starvation that killed 7 million people. It was cause by Stalin.
Tell me, aside from national vs international socialism, what do Nazis and Soviets disagree about?
I didn't say it was completely a natural disaster. After all, the rebellion of the landowning peasants had more to do with it than Soviet policies. There was crop rust and epidemics that greatly magnified the death toll. Blaming it on Stalin or the USSR is careless history.
They disagree on everything. Socialists want a worker controlled economy (after the us was defeated) and the nazis wanted a corporatist economy. Corporatism is broadly keynesian capitalism. What else? Race, class, etc.
@IPlayWithFire135 Not true. Both USSR & Nazi Germany were totalitarian in nature and had complete control of management of economic enterprise. The Ukraine famine was caused by the Soviets taking food and farming equipment away from Ukrainian farmers DELIBERATELY. It was deliberate and gov-induced. Stalin had a ruthless reign of terror and looked for alleged traitors ubiquitously.
Hitler was permitted to seize power in Germany because he was underwritten by international banks & because he delivered pork to giant armaments manufacturers like Krupp. Hitler shrewdly promoted the interests of Germany's capitalist elite for political gain. WWII was military Keynesianism for both US & German industrialists like IBM and IG Farben Chemical. Fascism is the political corollary of the hypothetical free market. It is useful to recognize these ideological similarities.
Um no, the political spectrum should not be based on on parties, but on power. Fascism and Communism is the same thing the police state. Both can take what you have, no matter who you are. Dumbass!
Nooo ... I don't want to be happy. I know one thing Fascism usually involves a bunch of near morons ranting crap about things which they know little about (and could probably never understand) based upon the word of propagandists. Hmm ... who here is doing that? Just everbody, please, give me "big dittos."
minimum of 150 million yes million murdered under them. fuck your dictionary truth is truth. Fascism goes 2 ways. Hemmingway and his little buddies used to sit in Spanish cafes and debate how cool and chic El Duce was and how they debated whether socialist were the cool way think.
Mussolini was an adherent to the traditional corporatist ideology of fusing business with state interests. That can no way be interpreted as a leftist ideology.
1870 term came about Fascism (Rome), The belief that government and business should joint under one rule for the benefit of the people and the state. Was not bad system until the people at the top tuned into monsters. Just like Capitalism, Communism, Socialism ... ism or Kingdom, all you need for horrible situation is a horrible leader.
I can't believe the title is "Liberal Fascism'...does he not realize that is an oxymoron? Apparently not. By definition, a liberal, left wing person can not be a fascist. Go ahead Jonah- call them commies, at least that would make some sense!
Look the guy just got done explaining to you. Liberalism and fascism allways parallel each other and not only go hand in hand but the liberal sissy is allways crying, bawling, and sobbing so loud, that finally, in this United States, which is the greatest country ever for equalilty sure it took years of mistakes but no one is perfect, and eventually because of what this country initially stands for, liberty, equality, that the anti God evil liberal homosexuals, socialists, etc finally win
were you drunk when you wrote that? I know you are uneducated, or you wouldn't write such things, so I'll say it again, as simply as possible for you. 'Fascism' is extreme right wing, 'liberalism' is left wing. They can't go hand in hand because thier ideas are exact opposites. it is like saying I am having a nice steaming hot cup of ice water. it doesn't make sense. stop embarrasing yourself, go read a real book, and stop listening to fox news, it is for stupid people, according to the studies.
Because you dictionary told you this historical fact says different fucktard. I got news for you you are piss spot in your a pair of Che's panties on the intelligence and historical knowledgability scale against Jonah Goldberg. Sorry to crush your little lefties have been molding you to beleive this for a long long time. Idiot
Cuz there's no liberal bias in college poly sci 101 classes. You are laughably stupid and Jonah Goldberg still dwarfs your intellect. You are just regurgitating the shit they filled you skull with. Face it,..you are what they call a "useful idtiot".
yeah actually it's a 'reality bias'. we were talking more about Communism back in those days, but the point remains, at least the terms I use make sense. I have to laugh that a guy who uses the term 'liberal fascism' is calling me stupid! You seem to think that fascism means 'bad'. it does't. Fuck, all I'm saying is start making a little bit of actual sense and perhaps then we can talk. but you'd rather fight which is normal for your ilk. enjoy Barak!
Jonah Goldberg is making up his own generic definition of fascism just because some moron called him a fascist.
Every politically educated person knows the parallels between socialist philosophy and Fascism to point this out is redundant. But liberalism, while it could be totalitarian if pushed into law has nothing to do with fascism. Since liberalism in economic terms means more pure capitalism, and in social terms is a multicultural internationalist movement; the opposite of fascism.
I'd call you brainless for spelling the word idiot wrong, but I will for reasons of civility defend you. You are not brainless you are in fact an actual idiot trapped in a body with an empty skull. You are a typically spoiled right wing elitist. You can tell your lies a thousand times Goebels and think that people will believe it, but we will tell the truth a million times and defeat you utterly. Let's face it you just can't win against a former soldier and your social better.
You are 100% correct! No use argueing with these fools. Shirer, in THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH, lists on p. 144 the wealthy capitalists who financed Hitler's rise to power. Hitler paid them back by outlawing unions, then jailing and shooting commies and real socialists, not his National "Socialist." Nazis allowed ALL social classes and private property...you could be a milkman or millionaire and still be a good little Nazi.
Just because Nazis are not identical to Communists does not make them right wingers or supporters of the free market. In no way did Nazis support expanded individual liberty or limited government, and therefore National Socialism can only be an ideology of the left.
If people like the Swedes and the Finns, both with Left governments and both very well off, are Fascists in this confused man's eyes, then I will embrace what he sees as Fascist gladly. He is another Ann Coulter.
I read his book. He ties Hitler to the left on mainly on account of vegetarianism - ha, 2 of the biggest rightwingers I know are vegans. You guys just can't admit that BOTH the far left & far right want people to COMFORM. Nothing more un-American than the RIGHTWING "House Committee on Un-American Activities" of '30s or 40s, or McCARTHISM of '50s. Birchers, KKK, Christian right, all enforce CONFORMITY. Look at US in 2002-3, people afraid to voice opinions, called un-patriotic, un-American.
There are some interesting quotes on Christ and Christianity by Hitler - just google. He was a cultural Christian in a very WARPED sense. SA men would hang banners from Jewish shop windows reading "By resisting the Jews, I fight for the Lord," which is a direct quote from Hitler. Most middle class Germans saw the Nazis as a bulwark standing against atheistic Communism, & the churches did ok as long as they were seen as loyal. Many in the church helped Nazis escape after the war.
The Roman Catholic Church is a very traditional/conservative entity. Well, the church supported fascists regimes in Italy, Germany and Spain. Hell, American LEFTWINGERS went to Spain as volunteers with the Abe Lincoln Brigade in the 30s to fight the Fascism of Franco and his pal Adolph Hitler. Fascism is the gov't wedded to corporations and the military, complete with extreme patriotism/nationalism/racism, hardly left-wing traits.
Heard today that rightist in Spain are upset that their gov't is going to exhume the bodies of leftist killed by the Fascist dictator Franco...Adolph's pal. Fascism may not be conservative in the American sense, but it sure as hell ain't liberal! Fascism = the Gov't married to Corporations and the Military.
Yeah, and the corporations did ok, didn't they? Hitler was also loved by the German middle class who were conservative, but he was never embraced by the lower classes who were red - many who welcomed the commie Soviet soldiers in '45 and were placed in high positions. Many rightwing American businessmen openly praised fascist regimes, as did the Catholic Church and many Lutherans.
At first the left may have flirted with fascism, but by the time Hitler came to power in Jan '33, he was going hard after the left, rounding up Commies, Socialist, Christian Democrats, etc. He jailed anyone who was a free thinker -liberal college profs. He also, in May '33, arrested German labor leaders (who sided with the left) & had them sent to concentration camps. He then set up the Nazi Labour Front under Dr. Ley, which was a joke as it favored management.
"An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great nation. We must take steps to insure our domestic security and protect our homeland." - Sounds a lot like George W Bush right? .... it's not. It's a Hitler quote. The republican party would like you to think the same things... that you're a hated nation... that you need to be protected... that everything they do is for your own good... and that those against them are Fascist.
It's not pointless at all. It's simply pointing out that if anyone's a fascist, Bush is. Equating liberalism to fascism is downright silly when you consider that they're 2 different axis on the political compass. You can be either authoritarian(fascist) left or libertarian(free) left.... just like you can be either authoritarian(fascist) right or libertarian(free) right. Anyone who believes this guy really needs to go take a course in political theory... and in your case, an English class too.
It's quite amusing that your only defence against my comment was an attack on my character. Is there any particular reason you feel the need to bash intellectualism? This is an intellectual argument is it not? I'd rather use objective sources then cling to the words of an author like this, who's sole aims are to make money and push his political agenda.
A character can't be formed around a text book therefore, you have none to "attack".
"Intellectualism" is the inability to apply reality to what a current situation clearly dictates and you are a living example of it but, don't feel alone, our schools are infested with your ilk as it is their limit of coping with the real world.
If you have any other questions you just keep drooling.
What exactly is your measure of reality? I'd love to hear your philosophy on the nature of truth. That being said, I retrieve most of my information about the world from a variety of sources, few of which are textbooks.
Oh I see... you're a satirist! I wasn't sure until you backed down on your argument entirely in an ironic attempt to further prove your point... CLASSIC conservative move. Good job ol' chap! For a second, I thought you really had no criterion for determining truth. But it's clear now that you're just a very clever liberal trying to mock the ignorance of the right. And cheers to that!
Oh wait... you were SERIOUS? Now I really must know... how DO you determine what is truth and what is fantasy? You've gotta let me in on this if you're going to continue trolling me... otherwise your comments just make you seem bitter at your lack of intellect... and you've gotta give yourself more credit than that!
Trolls are people that throw out baseless arguments without reference, insult other posters, and will always chose argument over an actual intellectual debate. I've done none of these things. You, on the other hand, have done them all. You refuse to fight the battle, yet you keep coming back for more. And now you've resorted to name-calling as well! I'd hand you a shovel, but I see you're digging your own hole fairly well.
ROFL! You're not only brainless but, a coward as well...No Cannuck, my time is too valuable to be going out of my way just to kick your scrawny ass out of our business.
If America has a fascism opposed to "conservatives" -- after Bush and Cheney, I use the word ironically -- then why isn't Goldberg in a concentration camp as an Enemy Of the State? Uhhh, because the fascist wannabes are mostly Republicans? How many Dems endorsed Abu Ghraib, renditioning, Patriot Act spying on non-Muslims, etc.? Jonah looks a lot plumper than most Belsen inmates did! Goldberg is yet another NeoCon obscenely milking the Holocaust for an ass-licking corporate agenda.
The 'fascist liberal' nanny state Goldberg describes exists in Queensland, Australia. The State Government of Queensland is involved in every aspect of life. You have to have a 'Blue Card' to have students boarding in your home or to do any work where children are involved. They offer advice on everything via the municipal councils they control. But this is globalist fascism. Bush is pushing a more militaristic fascism, but it's still globalism. Total state control.
Bush had his fascist tools arrest Democratic supporters at his 2004 campaign rallies while scum like Goldberg and Limbo ditto heads said nothing. The right is so hypocritical and compromised yet they act like they are some heroes and paragons of virtue.
Goldberg [ whose mother was a Nixon operative and tabloid whore] goes to great lengths to avoid a core analysis of Hitlers Reich and its off-spring on American shores, preferring a decidely marginal analysis of Mussolini's Keystone Cops autocracy. It is propaganda of the vilest order, built on ommission and diversion.
"Goldberg [ whose mother was a Nixon operative and tabloid whore]..."
This is a fine example of what lefties like molloyx call McCarthyism. Of course they invented the tactic so they know best how to use it. Note that they never attack Goldberg on the FACTS in his book because they are indesputable.
McCarythism? I am aware that right wing gun moll Ann Coulter has written [ what she likes to call] a book on McCarthy, defending this paranoid alcholic monster as a patriot. And noting that the apple did not fall far from the tree is a simple amplification of the portrait of the author. As for Goldbergs' scholarship, his sad pamphlet is the equivalent of writing a history of the Soviet Union on a cocktail napkin, and failing to mention Stalin.
You attack the guy's mother!? You are a typical left-wing bigot. You have yet to take on any specific portion of this book, using ad hominem arguments to make your "case." Good lord you are a disgusting piece of filth.
"It is my conviction, that the State must renounce its economic functions, especially those of a monopolistic character, for which it cannot provide. The Government must give free play to private enterprise, and must forego any measures of State control and State paternalism. Such measures may satisfy the demagogy and ambitions of Socialists, but as shown by experience, will in the long run turn out to be absolutely fatal to the interests and economic development of any country." -- Mussolini
Citation, please? When and where did Mussolini, the same man who coined the term "totalitarian" and stated, "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State" say this?
but it's the perfect/most accurate word for what they do: validated use of coercion under centralized authority to discourage something that authority has deemed undesirable.
Well, it is no mystery when original Fascist, Mussolini broke away from the Socialist Party of Italy to push Italy into World War l, where even though she was on the winning side, most people felt they lost more than they won.
If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that Yelps is more than likely the one that got hit. Do you hear all the Yelping comming from the left.
Fascism is based on violent, undemocratic. warlike militarism, like The Nazis, real Fascists, Felangists. Sure, calling people in uniform fascist is stupid and dishonest. Jonah is just as dishonest as the leftists who used fascism. Calling "it takes a village" or "politics of meaning" as fascism is ridiculous.
Goldbergs Orwellian fantasy is repugnant as it ignores the twin driving force of Hitlers Reich; racism and the adoration of and identification with the military. Anyone who has paid even scant atention to American politics since WWII well knows that liberals extremely distrust the military [industrial complex] and have been on the front lines re ending segregation and racism. Conservatives defended segregation and support the military without question.
i want you to sit and think how many soldiers have died for your right to say that . just think how many died in the revolution the civil war the world wars just think how many people went through hell lost a limb lost a loved one
Fascism, as demonstrated by Nazis, Fascists and Felangists had strong roots in military and violence. When some fat theocon dweeb tells people that today's fascists are teachers from Brown COllege and jerkwad cons swallow that, you lose credibility fast. Violence and war are endemic to fascism.
Really? What if those professors were members of the New Left and siezed buildings and planted bombs? Or tried to block conservative speakers coming to colleges? Fascists are fascists and the colleges and universities in America are filled with them just as the colleges and universities in Italy were filled with them
So our universities are filled with bombers, snipers too? Give me a break! Some cretins on the left, the red guard types, behave in a bullying way. But to say that some grade school teacher from Brown is today's fascist, who at worse holds some whimsical leftist beliefs, is a little trying on the mind. Calling someone a Nazi, Commie or fascist is a meaning gesture cause 90% of the time it's nonsense. You are a hypocrite, people like you shut down others with you childish labels and stereotypes.
When was the last time you were on a college campus or dealt with a college administrator or instructor? College campuses have speech codes designed to blot out conservative dissent and multicultural policies to ensure certain ideas are dropped down the memory hole. Hardly "whimsical." Fascism is more than throwing bombs and shooting people, surely you know how Mussolini came to power in Italy? You sound ignorant.
Mussolini came to power from squads of fascisti who used violence, these people were almost all army vets of WW l. If you had any powers of perception, you might notice that I agreed there were some on campuses who do fit your description, but they don't not murder people with impunity. One of the worst offenders I can think of is your little Bush, who had his fascist arrest Democratic supporters at his campaign rallies in 2004 while ditto heads like you approved then whined about colleges.
no that is how we perceive it fascism is an ideology that demands loyalty and support from its supporters or "unity" with the people it could be nasty it could be nanny we've seen nasty we've yet to see nanny
This one is worthy of Dr Suess and almost impossible to decipher. How many times, since Bush and his cronies unleashed the trillion dollar misadventure in Iraq have we heard conservative goons like Hannity and Limbaugh and Coulter accuse anyone who opposed the mess as anti-patriotic if not treasonous.
Max Simon Nordau (July 29, 1849 - January 23, 1923), born Simon Maximilian Südfeld, Südfeld Simon Miksa in Pest, Hungary, was a Zionist leader, physician, author, and social critic.
He was a co-founder of the World Zionist Organization together with Theodor Herzl, and president or vice president of several Zionist congresses.
The term Entartung (or "degeneracy") had gained currency in Germany by the late 19th century when the critic and author Max Nordau devised the theory presented in his 1892 book, Entartung.Nordau drew upon the writings of the criminologist Cesare Lombroso, whose The Criminal Man, published in 1876, attempted to prove that there were "born criminals" whose atavistic personality traits could be detected by scientifically measuring abnormal physical characteristics.
Goldberg produces entirely Orwellian drivel in this miserable pamphlet, blithely ignoring the most blantant and enduring nexus re Hitlers Reich and right wing extremism; 1] racism and 2] identification with and adoration of the military.
What a fucking idiot. This moron pretend like liberal = anti military pacifist. May I remind him that WW 2, North Korea etc and most recently Bosnia were more liberal undertakings than they were conservative? You idiot conservatives have picked a stinker of a war because you're a bunch of incompetent ideologues. You reap what you sow now take some fucking responsibility.
Germany has been corporatist since before unification. Are you saying that the Kaiser and Junker aristocracy that ruled the German Empire were not rightists?
Corporatism does not equal communism. A brief analysis of communist ideology and historical corporatist states would confirm this. To think otherwise is revisionism on a massive scale or just plain ignorance.
isn't the right wing argument always that we should privatize government agencies? i.e: private prisons, private armies, private police forces. You cannot honestly say that the right is against corporate involvement in government.
No you... not that smart person... The merger of the interest means the shift from the states (public) interest to that of the corporations. It's still a free market system.
if you are a right winger and cannot argue your points as eloquently as these fascist(by this i mean corporatist)heritage foundation people, you need to stay out of the argument. though i disagree with this man on every point; he is smart and genuinely opens the door to intelligent discourse. Bravo, you truth manipulating son of a bitch.
The left were politically correcting everyone so hard during the Clinton years. They saw everyone as a potential racist. A crisis where none existed. All so that their nanny-fascism could step in and correct everyone and play a BIG MOTHER role. ;)
"Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred"
"Political correctness is the natural continuum from the party line. What we are seeing once again is a self-appointed group of vigilantes imposing their views on others. It is a heritage of communism, but they don't seem to see this."
I like how the war on poverty and universal health care are described as false crises, but the war on terror is not, when the first two have led to the deaths of a thousand times as many Americans as terrorism. Social programs don't make profits for the military industrial complex, while shooting wars do. We have two dozen stealth bombers that cost 2 billion dollars each...for no reason. In Iraq, we still use B52s for bombing.
The right has such a problem with taking care of poor families and the mentally ill, but are more than happy to subsidize the construction of new wal-mart super stores. I don't understand why anyone, save the nation's elite, would support that kind of behavior. The truth is that the right has far more in common with fascism than the left. "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power" -Benito Mussolini
If these Neo Cons continue to run the US, then we won't have any more government left. Thus US is going bankrupt by it's involvement in Iraq. What if we had to fight a real war? The heritage foundation is as about as right wing as you can get. And they seem to have found a little puppet named Jonas Goldberg to push more propaganda and lies.
If you think GW Bush is a conservative, then you've been duped just like all the others. Bush's spending policy is decidedly "liberal." Congress has the power to stop it, but they don't. Curious conundrum don't you think?
The Republicans controlled the house and senate for over a decade and the Democrats slim majority [ not in place until Jan 2007]did not allow them the leverage necesary to pass significant legislation. Hastert, Delay and Bush, in league with corporate lobbyists, did the damage to the budget and the economy.
You're absolutely correct. However, you'll note I never mentioned Democrat or Republican. Something that people can't wrap their minds around is that right does not necessarily mean Republican, and left does not necessarily mean Democrat. The same goes for the terms Conservative and Liberal, respectively.
He conveniently ignores that FDR, a liberal progressive, led the fight on fascism while conservative Republicans were isolationists. Fascism is always the jack booted thug. There is no namby pamby fascism any more than there is namby pamby Stalinism. "Soft fascism" is an oxymoron and any actual fascist will tell you that (when Carlin invented the term he was referring to capitalist entities forming a consensus based on lies). Goldberg never mentions Duke, Rockwell, the KKK etc.
perdondaris 7 months ago
Jonah Goldberg makes a ton of sense.
acs5pall 10 months ago
I did read the book. Biggest piece of crap ever. Very easy to debunk if you know the facts. Goldberg is the biggest 5 year old on the planet. Read actual scholars on the subject: Paxton, Griffin, Seldes, Bosworth, Gentile. Goldberg is a lying fraud.
DaHonestAbe 1 year ago
Much like the GOP today, the Nazi party in 1932 promised Germany a retrenchment of the values of big business and a return to virtues of a religious faith in fear patriarchy & nationalism. Fascism like Goldberg's market fundamentalism promise the return of an imaginary past.The German precedent represents the proposition that 5% of the US population should control or consume 40 or 50% of societies resources & this is a proposition that a solid majority of civilization can no longer accept.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz Do you believe that gov has the right to force us to purchase a product at gun point? Do you believe that gov has the right to force doctors and other professionals to be solely under its control and not allowed to operate independently? Mussolini wanted ALL workers and associations including businesses under gov management and control. So did Hitler.
Aegius 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz Seriously, go read from the horse's mouth rather than what your college professors taught you. Go listen to talk radio(Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Mark Levin) or read their books especially Thomas Sowell. Hitler did not like the free market and hated the beourgeoisie as he lumped them in with the Jews, so there is no "market fundamentalism" w/him and he was not a fan of big business & hated Christianity.
Aegius 1 year ago
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@Aegius
Yes, Chicago School economists supported a series of Fascist revolutions, military coups and failed Utopias across Latin America with a shock doctrine that collapsed the economy & Gov of Argentina in 2001. If you turn up the hate radio that informs you loud enough you may be able to drown out history? Church ministers in Germany adopted a similar practice instructing the choir to raise their voices in an attempt to drown out the screams of the Jews as the trains passed during services
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@Aegius Chicago School economists supported a series of Fascist revolutions, military coups and failed Utopias across Latin America with a shock doctrine that collapsed the economy & Gov of Argentina in 2001. If you turn up the hate radio that informs you loud enough & you may be able to drown out history? Church ministers in Germany adopted a similar practice instructing the choir to raise their voices in an attempt to drown out the screams of the Jews as the trains passed during services
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@Aegius
Your populist defense of Fascism I have no doubt rests upon a solid foundation of myths engendered by years of listening to right wing talk radio as you yourself have suggested. To the unlikely event that even a shard of history should be permitted to cast its long shadow over your market driven Utopian dream for the individual, remember Hitler's maxim; 'Competition helps to cultivate the individual fighter and mankind often owes its success in part to this very doctrine of competition'
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
Democracy evolves because the market economy devolves. Noah shudders at the threat democracy poses to his free market fundamentalism. He proposes an ideology that appeals to the imagination of hatred where the dread of equality expresses a deep seated terror at the imaginary specter of justice set loose upon his vision of a free market Utopia. The Republican politics are a politics of resentment. Dissembling front men like Noah represent the last propagandists for a hateful economic hierarchy.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz "Democracy evolves because the market economy devolves." You definitely went to college. Market economy devolves via gov take-over. That means more socialism or at least more Fascism via more gov control. Market economy means people operating independent of gov in voluntary transactions. That is called liberty, which is opposite of gov control that mean socialism or Fascism. The Right isn't seeking a Utopia. Never did. The Left has sought Utopia many times & created Hell for it.
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius
Capitalist Utopia is a fading pipe dream & the economic equivalent of Social Darwinism put in force in the form of legislation for the Eugenics laws in the US which provided Hitler's inspiration for the Nazi Racial Hygiene Program. The GOP's free market Utopia must first eliminate democracy to pursue its vision of a perfect society operating as a theater of violent economic conflict between individuals locked in combat to eliminate all but the most ruthless predators. Survive & rule.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz "the imaginary specter of justice set loose upon his vision of a free market Utopia." Wow. You really did go to college. Which Ivy League school screwed you over this badly? No one anywhere stated that the free market brings a Utopia, but gradual improvement. Seriously, go read Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, Thomas Sowell. They don't talk of Utopia, but of gov making things worse w/ or w/o intention. The implementation of justice is done by government, not by the freemarket.
Aegius 1 year ago
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jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
The right opposes democracy with an apocalyptic vision to inspire genocidal killers who glorify violence as the mechanism that will lead to the end of history. Theirs is an ecstatic belief in the cleansing power of apocalyptic violence that does not recognize the right of their victims to self-defense. The GOP sees democracy through this distorting lens as a mutation that must be eradicated to halt further infection & moral degeneration within society, to usher in their absolutist market Utopia
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
The Fascists attacked liberalism because it seemed to them the principle premise of modern society. Theirs was a resentment of loneliness; their one desire was for a new faith, a new community of believers, a world with fixed standards and no doubts, a new national religion that would bind all Germans together. All this liberalism denied. Hence they hated liberalism, blamed it for making outcasts of them for uprooting them from their imaginary past, and from their faith. –Fritz Stern
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
Noah Goldberg is a paid shill. His entire public career has been financed by right wing corporate largess. Every thing he charges on his plastic is bought and paid for by Koch Industries, Joseph Coors and unnamed sources associated with the Carlisle Investment Group. Noah's ears are anntenae, if you unscrew his head and look inside you will find a receiver tuned to Fox News.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
Germany's market economy is the only reliable means to assuring that the nations wealth remain in the hands of those who inherit it. We will demonstrate that society does not exist. We will venerate not the Marxist nor the Jew but only the heroic individual of pure blood. We must preserve the mechanisms of the free market to eliminate the degenerate, the unfit and the unwanted. The weak must be permitted to perish and the strong to prevail in the contest of survival. Adolf Hitler 1925
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
Fascism is capitalism in crisis. Capitalism is dysfunctional to the extent that it can no longer operate without massive public assistance in the form of billions either as privatization or billions in nefarious contracts with a trillion $ budget to provide for the annihilation of the Fortune 500’s rivals while facilitating the expropriate the worlds resources. Republican lawmakers have crated the largest prison system the world has ever seen but Fascism still represents total freedom for $!
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz "The party is all-embracing. It rules our lives in all their breadth and depth. We must therefore develop branches of the party in which the whole of individual life will be reflected. Each activity and each need of the individual will thereby be regulated by the party as the representative of the general good. There will be no license, no free space, in which the individual belongs to himself. This is Socialism--not such trifles as the private possession of the means of production."
Aegius 1 year ago
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jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz & I referred to speeches of Hitler where he advocated from Marxism directly. Now let's look at the ACTUAL record. Hermann Goering's 4 year central plan from 1936 to 1940. Public works project such as the Autobahn. Gov take-over of health care and imposing it upon Holland and elsewhere. Gov controling how business is run w/dictates directly from the central gov. State auditors frequently visited businesses to ensure compliance w/gov dictates.
Aegius 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz When Repubs refer to the "free market", they aren't talking about a specific group of people, but the innumerable voluntary transactions that businesses engage in. If there is a party like the Nazis, that would be the Democrats who are forcing businesses to comply w/ byzantine bureaucracies to dictate to businesses w/numerous regulations. and forcing people to deal w/cos at gun point including health care.
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius
It is disingenuous to imagine capitalism in the romantic vocabulary it was invented with. In historical experience this ideology has given birth to a corporate state that has eviscerated and consumed the democracy of its origin. Capitalism is now a dictatorship that is controlled by a handful of people & built on an internationalist concept by those who have accepted the tragic illusion that all economic growth profits humanity, & that the greater the growth the greater the prosperity.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz Mostly silly, baseless ad hominem attacks. You went to college, didn't you? Go to the Repub party website and read for yourself. Capitalism is not the dictatorship. Socialism is with gov controlling things as much as possible via massive bureaucracies. Google "Obamacare chart" and see the system of bureaucracies that the Dems want to impose on us via health. Who is seeking to force us to purchase a product? Answer: the Dems, not Repubs. These are actions, not theory.
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius
Yes, my "silly baseless ad hominem attacks"on Fascism link right wing mass movements past to the present GOP & are in part based on 30+ years of research by Robert Altemeyer at U of M, plus a body of literature incl. Erich Fromm's seminal; Anatomy of Human Destructiveness. As concerns the radicalization of the GOP; "The embarrassment wherein he finds himself produces in him the most criminal passions imaginable against that truth
that blames & convinces him of his faults" -Pascal
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz Read the GOP docs themselves rather than BS studies. F--- university "studies". During the 1970's university studies "showed" that divorces had not effect on the emotional and psychological well being of kids. Fraud has been proven regarding global warming. I don't care about university studies, but what comes from the horses mouth. F--- studies. & BTW, eugenics came from the Left, which you probably didn't learn in your "studies", but were duped into the opposite. F--- "studies".
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius Hitler is alluding to the collectivist nature of the free market w/ its highly standardized “individualists”. Substitute "the free market" for "the party" and you approximate Hitlers intended meaning. Once you learn to decode these kinds of slogans one is struck by their similarity to the rhetoric of the modern GOP. The "party" he spoke to are familiar today as the Republican tea party “individualists” who fall into line when the "liberal" is offered as a contemporary scapegoat.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz The free market is NOT collectivist in nature. Socialism is collectivist in nature. The point of the free market is voluntary transactions leading to people getting their wants & needs met via supply and demand. Collectivism refers to gov dictating centrally how production is to occur and how goods and services are to be distributed. Everyone's effort goes into a central system which then provides a certain amount to every person in a specific manner person that the system dictates.
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius
Capitalism in the reality of historical experience operates a collectivized corporate cartel built on an inexorable monopoly on the accumulation of wealth. Legislation of a body of property law is to insure the upward redistribution of wealth & power to be retained in the hands of a self interested elite. Hitler understood this & quickly assimilated the most pliable elements of industry protestantism & the professions to wage war against Jews Marx and Democracy. Welcome to the GOP!
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz No. Capitalism operates as a historical reality of a competitive market with independent parties constantly competing with each other. A collective corporate cartel is formed when gov puts regulations & laws galore to prevent small businesses from being formed to compete. Legislation of law toward wealth going upward is Fascism, not capitalism. Hitler hated Christianity and turned to Marx with gov-run operations and planning. Welcome to the Fascists.
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius
If the existence of Social Security, the US Postal Service or US Army Corps of Engineers did not reduce the US to a communist dictatorship I have some difficulty imagining why a publicly funded health insurance program should do so now. Canada has had a social democracy and a national health care program for how many years now and I have seen no one goose stepping around in jack boots...have you? The GOP hates democracy unless the Gov is funneling trillions into war, prisons or weapons
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz The USPS is bankrupt. Medicaid is bankrupt. Medicare is bankrupt. Social Security is operating in the red as it is bankrupt. That is the end game of Social democracy. The same applies to Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Ireland & UK: all bankrupt as the money has run out. Canada is actually privatizing its health ins program as there is no money. Same w/UK &Germany. Wake up and smell the coffee. The GOP doesn't ad nauseum turn to courts if elections are lost. The Dems do.
Aegius 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz That was another quote from Hitler. Here is another: ""Of what importance is that if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them then own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the party, is supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or workers. All that, you see, is unessential. Our Socialism goes far deeper...."
Aegius 1 year ago
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jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
This is the main reason why conservative women need to be spayed.
ItsChillyBrrr 1 year ago
@bapyou
Fantastic post.
i bet the majority in the US has not even heard of General Pinochet and the murderous way his seized power!!!
MrReco12 1 year ago
Facism is an inherently right-wing phlosophy. Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon supported the overhrow of the democratically-elected moderate Marxist Salvador Allende installing the fascist Augusto Pinochet who murdered thousands of Chileans. "Totalitarian Capitalism" is the phrase used at the Nuremburg trials to describe Hitler's Germany.
Fascism! It's what's for right-wing dinner!
bapyou 1 year ago 2
@bapyou
Great post, Hitler was supported by the identical set of business interests in Germany that rule America today. Armaments manufacture and perpetual war against an imaginary other is the zeitgeist of our time...again. The right wing has one reliable rhetorical device and that is fear not reason not responsibility and never historical experience.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz Hitler HATED the business interests. He hated business people and had gov control businesses as much as possible. There was even a 4-year gov plan by Hermann Goering. Health care was completely taken over by gov under Hitler along w/banks & automobile. Fascism is antagonistic to the free market as it is to organize people into associations under the thumb of government rather than free from government as the free market states. That is what Miussolini wanted.
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius
Hitler LOVED markets & Fascism is the political corollary of monopoly capitalism. The Nazi's formed a de facto coalition government backed by an international consortium of corporate business interests & professional elites. The structure of the party then closely resembles our GOP today & subverted democracy to create a one party system. The Nazi's recruited the professions of Medicine & Psychiatry who gladly participated in genocide for their own professional aggrandizement.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz No. Hitler took his economic ideas from Marx. ""I have learned a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit. The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen-pushers have timidly begun.... National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order." - Hitler. GOP has many different groups. Nazi Party only had 2: SS & SA.
Aegius 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz The GOP and Nazis have nothing in common. GOP allows for dissenting groups within itself. Nazis allowed for no dissent in their party. Capitalism operates best WITHOUT gov assistance. Gov assistance turns businesses into dependents on gov money. When there is no gov money, businesses learn to sustain themselves.
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius
The GOP today reflects the classic demographic profile of a fascist coalition. The psychological profile of of a Nazi as well as the standard Republican constituent today is that of a right wing authoritarian shaped from childhood to be a fearful, unthinkingly obedient, self righteous bully who instantly complies with the demands of authority when ordered to attack The GOP comprises of 3 narrow interests,corporate/ military, right wing religious extremism & nationalistic xenophobia
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz LOL! The GOP consists of a series of groups that often disagree with each other. The traditional Republicans of Nixon, the conservatives and Libertarians all have sharp disagreements with each other. You don't what you are talking about on the GOP. Lay off the Dem propoganda and read what GOP docs themselves say. There isn't religious extremism or nationalistic xenophobia. Legal immigration is wanted, not illegal.
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius
Moderates and conservatives are long gone from the Republican Party. What remains is a core of radical rightists who answer to the dictates of the parties Fortune 500 donors & Christian Reconstructionists of RJ Rushdoony's ilk such as GOP consultant Gary North. Any attempt to link Conservatism to the extremist fringe of the new GOP's Dominionist economics or theology is naive. Most GOP voters now believe civilization will be destroyed in an apocalyptic battle w/ evil in our lifetime
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz Moderates & conservatives have been flocking to the Repubs, b/c moderates aren't allowed in the Dem party anymore. Obama proved that by manipulating moderates into his Fascist health care bill(I will NEVER purchase a product at gunpoint including health ins.). I won't go into your conspiracy theorist nonsense crap. I read your comments. They aren't based upon GOP literature, but conspiracy theorist drivel. Enough said.
Aegius 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz Here is my favorite real study: "I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University. " - William F Buckley, Jr. F--- studies. I'll gladly replace every member of Congress w/people who serve behind the counters at coffee shops for the next 20 years & college professors are BANNED from office. F--- studies.
Aegius 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz Don't give me studies. Give me actions. Who is seeking to impose the Fascist Obamacare, which is a massive bureaucratic nightmare that Obama & his cronies want to FORCE people to participate in at gun point? Answer: the Dems. Who is seeking to stop it? Answer: The Republicans. Who is seeking to force people at gun point to pay for a product? Democrats. Stop them? Repubs. Who is seeking to have gov run the economy as much as possible: Dems, w/Repubs opposing. Enough said. F--- studies
Aegius 1 year ago
@Aegius
Action? Why do you suppose the great Fascist Benito Mussolini promoted himself as 'a man of action' ? Because mass movement ideology demands action to interpose a fact proof screen between the faithful and the inconvenient realities of the available world. It does this by claiming that the ultimate & absolute truth is already embodied in the ideology & there can be no valid knowledge or experience outside of it. Your Fascist ideology is the closed system George Orwell warned us about
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@bapyou
Great post ! The invention of a liberal conspiracy is really the right wing's way of undermining democracy as a consensus by evoking a false moral panic. It is difficult to judge but I get the impression that the public has some sense of having been misled by the right wing media elite that Jonah Goldberg speaks for. Public policy as influenced by the Heritage Foundation has been a social economic & political catastrophy for the US at least in historical experience. Neocons are liberals
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
The man IS a fool! Knows sweet FA of what he is talking about & is Glenn Becks wet dream! Facism, Communism, Socialism, Liberalism...
Facism: Anti-non-native, anti-gay, anti-democratic, anti-religion, anti-equality, (Hitler) Communism: Anti-democratic, anti-religion, "some are more equal..." Stalin, Mao. Socialism: All embracing, anti-raist, anti-homophobic, democratic, pro-faith. Nobody should be left wanting. (not,Hitler,Stalin etc) Liberal democratic...
Capitalist. Survival of the fit!
soc2day 1 year ago
So Hitler, the leader of the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party, wasn't a socialist?
Also how democratic was Stalin or Mao?
You think Stalin was anti-racist? You should talk to some Ukranians or google about the Holodomor..
Also Stalin was pro-faith? Seriously, that's just a retarded statement.
And everyone (except for the political class) under Stalin was left wanting because socialism doesn't work, it doesn't work as fascism, communism, or progressivism.
retsep81 1 year ago
No, Hitler was not a socialist. Nazi Germany and the USSR had nothing in common ideologically or economically. The Ukraine famine was a natural disaster taken to an artificial extent by mismanagement. There is no proof that it was a deliberate attempt by the Soviet government to kill off Ukranians. Stalin cut back some of the restrictions Lenin put on organized religion. He was not anti-faith. You obviously know nothing about Stalin or socialism beyond what you've been told in high school.
IPlayWithFire135 1 year ago 2
@IPlayWithFire135 You think the Ukrainian Holodomor was a natural disaster? You're basically a Holocaust Denier for such an idiotic statement. What a disgusting bit of historical revisionism.
The Soviets forced the Ukrainians to export their wheat for the "greater good" and the result was a starvation that killed 7 million people. It was cause by Stalin.
Tell me, aside from national vs international socialism, what do Nazis and Soviets disagree about?
retsep81 1 year ago
I didn't say it was completely a natural disaster. After all, the rebellion of the landowning peasants had more to do with it than Soviet policies. There was crop rust and epidemics that greatly magnified the death toll. Blaming it on Stalin or the USSR is careless history.
They disagree on everything. Socialists want a worker controlled economy (after the us was defeated) and the nazis wanted a corporatist economy. Corporatism is broadly keynesian capitalism. What else? Race, class, etc.
IPlayWithFire135 1 year ago
@IPlayWithFire135 Not true. Both USSR & Nazi Germany were totalitarian in nature and had complete control of management of economic enterprise. The Ukraine famine was caused by the Soviets taking food and farming equipment away from Ukrainian farmers DELIBERATELY. It was deliberate and gov-induced. Stalin had a ruthless reign of terror and looked for alleged traitors ubiquitously.
Aegius 1 year ago
@retsep81
Hitler was permitted to seize power in Germany because he was underwritten by international banks & because he delivered pork to giant armaments manufacturers like Krupp. Hitler shrewdly promoted the interests of Germany's capitalist elite for political gain. WWII was military Keynesianism for both US & German industrialists like IBM and IG Farben Chemical. Fascism is the political corollary of the hypothetical free market. It is useful to recognize these ideological similarities.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
He looks like Michael Moore.
cochranexyz 1 year ago
yeah, wow, always nice to be called a dumbass by someone as ignorant as yourself. Learn what fascism is before you speak.
raybbaby 2 years ago
Fascism and liberalism are diametrically opposed. Nice try asshole!
raybbaby 2 years ago
Um no, the political spectrum should not be based on on parties, but on power. Fascism and Communism is the same thing the police state. Both can take what you have, no matter who you are. Dumbass!
SuperGeek17 2 years ago
Nooo ... I don't want to be happy. I know one thing Fascism usually involves a bunch of near morons ranting crap about things which they know little about (and could probably never understand) based upon the word of propagandists. Hmm ... who here is doing that? Just everbody, please, give me "big dittos."
The TV thing is kind of disturbing, though.
newdarnaccount 2 years ago
Stalin - leftist
Mao-leftist
mussini- leftist
pol pot - leftist
minimum of 150 million yes million murdered under them. fuck your dictionary truth is truth. Fascism goes 2 ways. Hemmingway and his little buddies used to sit in Spanish cafes and debate how cool and chic El Duce was and how they debated whether socialist were the cool way think.
pieceomeat 2 years ago
Pinochet - rightist
Armas - rightist
Franco - rightist
Mussolini was an adherent to the traditional corporatist ideology of fusing business with state interests. That can no way be interpreted as a leftist ideology.
JimmyeDallas 2 years ago
as usual republicans accuse others of what they are most guilty of...
fas.cist [fash-ist]
-noun
1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism.
2. (often initial capital letter) a member of a fascist movement or party.
3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.
mizilus 2 years ago
Fundamentally
1870 term came about Fascism (Rome), The belief that government and business should joint under one rule for the benefit of the people and the state. Was not bad system until the people at the top tuned into monsters. Just like Capitalism, Communism, Socialism ... ism or Kingdom, all you need for horrible situation is a horrible leader.
311doug311 2 years ago
I can't believe the title is "Liberal Fascism'...does he not realize that is an oxymoron? Apparently not. By definition, a liberal, left wing person can not be a fascist. Go ahead Jonah- call them commies, at least that would make some sense!
HugeJohn51 2 years ago 2
Look the guy just got done explaining to you. Liberalism and fascism allways parallel each other and not only go hand in hand but the liberal sissy is allways crying, bawling, and sobbing so loud, that finally, in this United States, which is the greatest country ever for equalilty sure it took years of mistakes but no one is perfect, and eventually because of what this country initially stands for, liberty, equality, that the anti God evil liberal homosexuals, socialists, etc finally win
siggmaestro 2 years ago
were you drunk when you wrote that? I know you are uneducated, or you wouldn't write such things, so I'll say it again, as simply as possible for you. 'Fascism' is extreme right wing, 'liberalism' is left wing. They can't go hand in hand because thier ideas are exact opposites. it is like saying I am having a nice steaming hot cup of ice water. it doesn't make sense. stop embarrasing yourself, go read a real book, and stop listening to fox news, it is for stupid people, according to the studies.
HugeJohn51 2 years ago
Because you dictionary told you this historical fact says different fucktard. I got news for you you are piss spot in your a pair of Che's panties on the intelligence and historical knowledgability scale against Jonah Goldberg. Sorry to crush your little lefties have been molding you to beleive this for a long long time. Idiot
pieceomeat 2 years ago
actually it was Poly Sci101, so...fuck you.
HugeJohn51 2 years ago
Cuz there's no liberal bias in college poly sci 101 classes. You are laughably stupid and Jonah Goldberg still dwarfs your intellect. You are just regurgitating the shit they filled you skull with. Face it,..you are what they call a "useful idtiot".
pieceomeat 2 years ago
yeah actually it's a 'reality bias'. we were talking more about Communism back in those days, but the point remains, at least the terms I use make sense. I have to laugh that a guy who uses the term 'liberal fascism' is calling me stupid! You seem to think that fascism means 'bad'. it does't. Fuck, all I'm saying is start making a little bit of actual sense and perhaps then we can talk. but you'd rather fight which is normal for your ilk. enjoy Barak!
HugeJohn51 2 years ago
Jonah Goldberg is making up his own generic definition of fascism just because some moron called him a fascist.
Every politically educated person knows the parallels between socialist philosophy and Fascism to point this out is redundant. But liberalism, while it could be totalitarian if pushed into law has nothing to do with fascism. Since liberalism in economic terms means more pure capitalism, and in social terms is a multicultural internationalist movement; the opposite of fascism.
jrmsher33 2 years ago
I'd call you brainless for spelling the word idiot wrong, but I will for reasons of civility defend you. You are not brainless you are in fact an actual idiot trapped in a body with an empty skull. You are a typically spoiled right wing elitist. You can tell your lies a thousand times Goebels and think that people will believe it, but we will tell the truth a million times and defeat you utterly. Let's face it you just can't win against a former soldier and your social better.
fringefries 2 years ago
"useful idtiot", indeed! Your quote, not mine.
fringefries 2 years ago
40 year old gaynadian idiot...exactly what one would expect.
pieceomeat 2 years ago
You are 100% correct! No use argueing with these fools. Shirer, in THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH, lists on p. 144 the wealthy capitalists who financed Hitler's rise to power. Hitler paid them back by outlawing unions, then jailing and shooting commies and real socialists, not his National "Socialist." Nazis allowed ALL social classes and private property...you could be a milkman or millionaire and still be a good little Nazi.
ciraldofan 2 years ago
Just because Nazis are not identical to Communists does not make them right wingers or supporters of the free market. In no way did Nazis support expanded individual liberty or limited government, and therefore National Socialism can only be an ideology of the left.
retsep81 2 years ago
Since when does statism equate to leftism?
JimmyeDallas 2 years ago 2
The real contribution of Jonah Goldberg to academic discourse has been "the Goldberg Principle," of which "Liberal Fascism" is a prime example:
"You can prove any thesis to be true if you make up your own definitions of words."
BrezhnevIsMyCoPilot 3 years ago 2
If people like the Swedes and the Finns, both with Left governments and both very well off, are Fascists in this confused man's eyes, then I will embrace what he sees as Fascist gladly. He is another Ann Coulter.
bostonviewer 3 years ago
Being that stupid must hurt. Not knowing how stupid he is probably makes it bearable.
adze13 3 years ago 2
I read his book. He ties Hitler to the left on mainly on account of vegetarianism - ha, 2 of the biggest rightwingers I know are vegans. You guys just can't admit that BOTH the far left & far right want people to COMFORM. Nothing more un-American than the RIGHTWING "House Committee on Un-American Activities" of '30s or 40s, or McCARTHISM of '50s. Birchers, KKK, Christian right, all enforce CONFORMITY. Look at US in 2002-3, people afraid to voice opinions, called un-patriotic, un-American.
ciraldofan 3 years ago
Mussolini was a socialist, through and through. Never did he reject socialism in favor of free market capitalism.
JackBlair2 3 years ago
There are some interesting quotes on Christ and Christianity by Hitler - just google. He was a cultural Christian in a very WARPED sense. SA men would hang banners from Jewish shop windows reading "By resisting the Jews, I fight for the Lord," which is a direct quote from Hitler. Most middle class Germans saw the Nazis as a bulwark standing against atheistic Communism, & the churches did ok as long as they were seen as loyal. Many in the church helped Nazis escape after the war.
ciraldofan 3 years ago
The Roman Catholic Church is a very traditional/conservative entity. Well, the church supported fascists regimes in Italy, Germany and Spain. Hell, American LEFTWINGERS went to Spain as volunteers with the Abe Lincoln Brigade in the 30s to fight the Fascism of Franco and his pal Adolph Hitler. Fascism is the gov't wedded to corporations and the military, complete with extreme patriotism/nationalism/racism, hardly left-wing traits.
ciraldofan 3 years ago
Heard today that rightist in Spain are upset that their gov't is going to exhume the bodies of leftist killed by the Fascist dictator Franco...Adolph's pal. Fascism may not be conservative in the American sense, but it sure as hell ain't liberal! Fascism = the Gov't married to Corporations and the Military.
ciraldofan 3 years ago
"married"? Hardly. Corporations were forced to do the bidding of the state under Fascists.
JackBlair2 3 years ago
Yeah, and the corporations did ok, didn't they? Hitler was also loved by the German middle class who were conservative, but he was never embraced by the lower classes who were red - many who welcomed the commie Soviet soldiers in '45 and were placed in high positions. Many rightwing American businessmen openly praised fascist regimes, as did the Catholic Church and many Lutherans.
ciraldofan 3 years ago
But leftist "intellectuals" thought fascism was a grand idea - they had a fetish for modern methods of "directing" and "planning out" society.
JackBlair2 3 years ago
At first the left may have flirted with fascism, but by the time Hitler came to power in Jan '33, he was going hard after the left, rounding up Commies, Socialist, Christian Democrats, etc. He jailed anyone who was a free thinker -liberal college profs. He also, in May '33, arrested German labor leaders (who sided with the left) & had them sent to concentration camps. He then set up the Nazi Labour Front under Dr. Ley, which was a joke as it favored management.
ciraldofan 3 years ago
GUESS AGAIN ASSHOLE!!
The Parallel to liberal Socialism to Facism IS EXACT!
ChipsShot 3 years ago
left wingers are morons personified
they hide behind their MSM and talk
conspiratorial crap
their listening to us ............
their listening to us ...........
LOLOLOLOL
dasche 3 years ago
Liberal Fascism?
Isn't that an oxymoron like oh say "Military Intelligence", "Microsoft Security", or "Christian Science"?
BuckyDunGunn 3 years ago 2
Goldberg is spot on. Go Jonah!
fiercegallantry 3 years ago
"An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great nation. We must take steps to insure our domestic security and protect our homeland." - Sounds a lot like George W Bush right? .... it's not. It's a Hitler quote. The republican party would like you to think the same things... that you're a hated nation... that you need to be protected... that everything they do is for your own good... and that those against them are Fascist.
Think again. The fascists are in office.
ByteSmasher 3 years ago
lol u go from video to video with this tripe
LOL
get creative at least
your boring and pointless
dasche 3 years ago
It's not pointless at all. It's simply pointing out that if anyone's a fascist, Bush is. Equating liberalism to fascism is downright silly when you consider that they're 2 different axis on the political compass. You can be either authoritarian(fascist) left or libertarian(free) left.... just like you can be either authoritarian(fascist) right or libertarian(free) right. Anyone who believes this guy really needs to go take a course in political theory... and in your case, an English class too.
ByteSmasher 3 years ago
Look at this academic fool!
Unable to reasonably process the obvious he clings to his text book as a 2 year old clings to his blanket.
Grow up!
ChipsShot 3 years ago
It's quite amusing that your only defence against my comment was an attack on my character. Is there any particular reason you feel the need to bash intellectualism? This is an intellectual argument is it not? I'd rather use objective sources then cling to the words of an author like this, who's sole aims are to make money and push his political agenda.
ByteSmasher 3 years ago
A character can't be formed around a text book therefore, you have none to "attack".
"Intellectualism" is the inability to apply reality to what a current situation clearly dictates and you are a living example of it but, don't feel alone, our schools are infested with your ilk as it is their limit of coping with the real world.
If you have any other questions you just keep drooling.
ChipsShot 3 years ago
What exactly is your measure of reality? I'd love to hear your philosophy on the nature of truth. That being said, I retrieve most of my information about the world from a variety of sources, few of which are textbooks.
ByteSmasher 3 years ago
Proving my argument will not help your blind position and I couldn't care less what you would "love".
I suggest you start vetting your sources.
ChipsShot 3 years ago
Oh I see... you're a satirist! I wasn't sure until you backed down on your argument entirely in an ironic attempt to further prove your point... CLASSIC conservative move. Good job ol' chap! For a second, I thought you really had no criterion for determining truth. But it's clear now that you're just a very clever liberal trying to mock the ignorance of the right. And cheers to that!
ByteSmasher 3 years ago
If you were given half a brain it would certainly die from loneliness.
Trudge back to your fantasy and remain inside.
ChipsShot 3 years ago
Oh wait... you were SERIOUS? Now I really must know... how DO you determine what is truth and what is fantasy? You've gotta let me in on this if you're going to continue trolling me... otherwise your comments just make you seem bitter at your lack of intellect... and you've gotta give yourself more credit than that!
ByteSmasher 3 years ago
Look up asshole! YOU are the troll here, moron.
I refuse to fight a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
ChipsShot 3 years ago
Trolls are people that throw out baseless arguments without reference, insult other posters, and will always chose argument over an actual intellectual debate. I've done none of these things. You, on the other hand, have done them all. You refuse to fight the battle, yet you keep coming back for more. And now you've resorted to name-calling as well! I'd hand you a shovel, but I see you're digging your own hole fairly well.
ByteSmasher 3 years ago
Wait until you see my next trick, Canuck.
ChipsShot 3 years ago
Are you threatening me? You do realize that's against the Youtube terms of service, right?
ByteSmasher 3 years ago
ROFL! You're not only brainless but, a coward as well...No Cannuck, my time is too valuable to be going out of my way just to kick your scrawny ass out of our business.
ChipsShot 3 years ago
Then, pray tell, whatsoever did you mean?
ByteSmasher 3 years ago
When you get your first real thought someone will have a surprised look on their face, idiot.
When every single elected official we have spoke that way it was immediately after 9/11, jerk.
Now get your confused ass down to your closest Darwin's Nominee's application office.
ChipsShot 3 years ago
If America has a fascism opposed to "conservatives" -- after Bush and Cheney, I use the word ironically -- then why isn't Goldberg in a concentration camp as an Enemy Of the State? Uhhh, because the fascist wannabes are mostly Republicans? How many Dems endorsed Abu Ghraib, renditioning, Patriot Act spying on non-Muslims, etc.? Jonah looks a lot plumper than most Belsen inmates did! Goldberg is yet another NeoCon obscenely milking the Holocaust for an ass-licking corporate agenda.
Volkmoidruk 3 years ago
The 'fascist liberal' nanny state Goldberg describes exists in Queensland, Australia. The State Government of Queensland is involved in every aspect of life. You have to have a 'Blue Card' to have students boarding in your home or to do any work where children are involved. They offer advice on everything via the municipal councils they control. But this is globalist fascism. Bush is pushing a more militaristic fascism, but it's still globalism. Total state control.
GoCo77 3 years ago
Bush had his fascist tools arrest Democratic supporters at his 2004 campaign rallies while scum like Goldberg and Limbo ditto heads said nothing. The right is so hypocritical and compromised yet they act like they are some heroes and paragons of virtue.
jakefree24 3 years ago 7
Goldberg [ whose mother was a Nixon operative and tabloid whore] goes to great lengths to avoid a core analysis of Hitlers Reich and its off-spring on American shores, preferring a decidely marginal analysis of Mussolini's Keystone Cops autocracy. It is propaganda of the vilest order, built on ommission and diversion.
molloyx 3 years ago
"Goldberg [ whose mother was a Nixon operative and tabloid whore]..."
This is a fine example of what lefties like molloyx call McCarthyism. Of course they invented the tactic so they know best how to use it. Note that they never attack Goldberg on the FACTS in his book because they are indesputable.
Langston36 3 years ago
McCarythism? I am aware that right wing gun moll Ann Coulter has written [ what she likes to call] a book on McCarthy, defending this paranoid alcholic monster as a patriot. And noting that the apple did not fall far from the tree is a simple amplification of the portrait of the author. As for Goldbergs' scholarship, his sad pamphlet is the equivalent of writing a history of the Soviet Union on a cocktail napkin, and failing to mention Stalin.
molloyx 3 years ago
You attack the guy's mother!? You are a typical left-wing bigot. You have yet to take on any specific portion of this book, using ad hominem arguments to make your "case." Good lord you are a disgusting piece of filth.
I wonder what YOUR mother was.
Stronghurst 3 years ago
"It is my conviction, that the State must renounce its economic functions, especially those of a monopolistic character, for which it cannot provide. The Government must give free play to private enterprise, and must forego any measures of State control and State paternalism. Such measures may satisfy the demagogy and ambitions of Socialists, but as shown by experience, will in the long run turn out to be absolutely fatal to the interests and economic development of any country." -- Mussolini
BuckyDunGunn 3 years ago
Citation, please? When and where did Mussolini, the same man who coined the term "totalitarian" and stated, "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State" say this?
Langston36 3 years ago
Yeah, I'd like a citation as well.
Stronghurst 3 years ago
War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Racism?
jakefree24 3 years ago
yeah, I am sick of wars period.
jakefree24 3 years ago
but it's the perfect/most accurate word for what they do: validated use of coercion under centralized authority to discourage something that authority has deemed undesirable.
blakeada999 3 years ago
Well, it is no mystery when original Fascist, Mussolini broke away from the Socialist Party of Italy to push Italy into World War l, where even though she was on the winning side, most people felt they lost more than they won.
jakefree24 3 years ago
If you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that Yelps is more than likely the one that got hit. Do you hear all the Yelping comming from the left.
bob4this 3 years ago
Lots of war mongering fascist cretins on your end, you half wit con! Go download your Rush podcast!
jakefree24 3 years ago
Rush limbaugh has a podcast ?!
mastercheef12345 3 years ago
Fascism is based on violent, undemocratic. warlike militarism, like The Nazis, real Fascists, Felangists. Sure, calling people in uniform fascist is stupid and dishonest. Jonah is just as dishonest as the leftists who used fascism. Calling "it takes a village" or "politics of meaning" as fascism is ridiculous.
jakefree24 3 years ago
Goldbergs Orwellian fantasy is repugnant as it ignores the twin driving force of Hitlers Reich; racism and the adoration of and identification with the military. Anyone who has paid even scant atention to American politics since WWII well knows that liberals extremely distrust the military [industrial complex] and have been on the front lines re ending segregation and racism. Conservatives defended segregation and support the military without question.
molloyx 3 years ago
i want you to sit and think how many soldiers have died for your right to say that . just think how many died in the revolution the civil war the world wars just think how many people went through hell lost a limb lost a loved one
mastercheef12345 3 years ago
Fascism has to be violent? Really?
NoumenalSoup 3 years ago
Fascism, as demonstrated by Nazis, Fascists and Felangists had strong roots in military and violence. When some fat theocon dweeb tells people that today's fascists are teachers from Brown COllege and jerkwad cons swallow that, you lose credibility fast. Violence and war are endemic to fascism.
jakefree24 3 years ago
Really? What if those professors were members of the New Left and siezed buildings and planted bombs? Or tried to block conservative speakers coming to colleges? Fascists are fascists and the colleges and universities in America are filled with them just as the colleges and universities in Italy were filled with them
Do't be such a simple minded cunt, cunt.
Langston36 3 years ago
So our universities are filled with bombers, snipers too? Give me a break! Some cretins on the left, the red guard types, behave in a bullying way. But to say that some grade school teacher from Brown is today's fascist, who at worse holds some whimsical leftist beliefs, is a little trying on the mind. Calling someone a Nazi, Commie or fascist is a meaning gesture cause 90% of the time it's nonsense. You are a hypocrite, people like you shut down others with you childish labels and stereotypes.
jakefree24 3 years ago
When was the last time you were on a college campus or dealt with a college administrator or instructor? College campuses have speech codes designed to blot out conservative dissent and multicultural policies to ensure certain ideas are dropped down the memory hole. Hardly "whimsical." Fascism is more than throwing bombs and shooting people, surely you know how Mussolini came to power in Italy? You sound ignorant.
Stronghurst 3 years ago
Mussolini came to power from squads of fascisti who used violence, these people were almost all army vets of WW l. If you had any powers of perception, you might notice that I agreed there were some on campuses who do fit your description, but they don't not murder people with impunity. One of the worst offenders I can think of is your little Bush, who had his fascist arrest Democratic supporters at his campaign rallies in 2004 while ditto heads like you approved then whined about colleges.
jakefree24 3 years ago 2
no that is how we perceive it fascism is an ideology that demands loyalty and support from its supporters or "unity" with the people it could be nasty it could be nanny we've seen nasty we've yet to see nanny
mastercheef12345 3 years ago
This one is worthy of Dr Suess and almost impossible to decipher. How many times, since Bush and his cronies unleashed the trillion dollar misadventure in Iraq have we heard conservative goons like Hannity and Limbaugh and Coulter accuse anyone who opposed the mess as anti-patriotic if not treasonous.
molloyx 3 years ago
Aside from those hacks, since we are there we might as well go all the way and win. I am sick of people who want us to lose too.
jakefree24 3 years ago
Lombroso was born in Verona to a wealthy Jewish family.
lmerve 3 years ago
Max Simon Nordau (July 29, 1849 - January 23, 1923), born Simon Maximilian Südfeld, Südfeld Simon Miksa in Pest, Hungary, was a Zionist leader, physician, author, and social critic.
He was a co-founder of the World Zionist Organization together with Theodor Herzl, and president or vice president of several Zionist congresses.
lmerve 3 years ago
The term Entartung (or "degeneracy") had gained currency in Germany by the late 19th century when the critic and author Max Nordau devised the theory presented in his 1892 book, Entartung.Nordau drew upon the writings of the criminologist Cesare Lombroso, whose The Criminal Man, published in 1876, attempted to prove that there were "born criminals" whose atavistic personality traits could be detected by scientifically measuring abnormal physical characteristics.
Wikipedia
lmerve 3 years ago
Goldberg produces entirely Orwellian drivel in this miserable pamphlet, blithely ignoring the most blantant and enduring nexus re Hitlers Reich and right wing extremism; 1] racism and 2] identification with and adoration of the military.
dinnerbucket9 3 years ago 3
What a fucking idiot. This moron pretend like liberal = anti military pacifist. May I remind him that WW 2, North Korea etc and most recently Bosnia were more liberal undertakings than they were conservative? You idiot conservatives have picked a stinker of a war because you're a bunch of incompetent ideologues. You reap what you sow now take some fucking responsibility.
jpbalkenende 3 years ago
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power" -Benito Mussolini
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That's communism, amigo. Rightists don't believe in corporate involvement of the government. Semantics does not make fascism a rightist movement.
ehdagio 3 years ago
Germany has been corporatist since before unification. Are you saying that the Kaiser and Junker aristocracy that ruled the German Empire were not rightists?
Corporatism does not equal communism. A brief analysis of communist ideology and historical corporatist states would confirm this. To think otherwise is revisionism on a massive scale or just plain ignorance.
BrezhnevIsMyCoPilot 3 years ago 2
isn't the right wing argument always that we should privatize government agencies? i.e: private prisons, private armies, private police forces. You cannot honestly say that the right is against corporate involvement in government.
pihingler 3 years ago 2
No you... not that smart person... The merger of the interest means the shift from the states (public) interest to that of the corporations. It's still a free market system.
jpbalkenende 3 years ago
if you are a right winger and cannot argue your points as eloquently as these fascist(by this i mean corporatist)heritage foundation people, you need to stay out of the argument. though i disagree with this man on every point; he is smart and genuinely opens the door to intelligent discourse. Bravo, you truth manipulating son of a bitch.
pihingler 3 years ago 3
He admits he doesn't know what the definition of fascism is, so the book is technically a fallacy.
545lljkr 3 years ago 4
yes. the nanny type of fascism. as seen with the patriot act. RIGHT, they just love to take care of us
skylancer90 3 years ago
youtube 'ron paul neo conned'
SubscribeToMe4More 3 years ago
How about this for a false crisis?
political correctness
The left were politically correcting everyone so hard during the Clinton years. They saw everyone as a potential racist. A crisis where none existed. All so that their nanny-fascism could step in and correct everyone and play a BIG MOTHER role. ;)
"Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred"
- Jacques Barzun
rosieisahippo 3 years ago
"Political correctness is the natural continuum from the party line. What we are seeing once again is a self-appointed group of vigilantes imposing their views on others. It is a heritage of communism, but they don't seem to see this."
- Doris Lessing
rosieisahippo 3 years ago
I see C-SPAN misspelled fascism,lol.
rosieisahippo 3 years ago
I like how the war on poverty and universal health care are described as false crises, but the war on terror is not, when the first two have led to the deaths of a thousand times as many Americans as terrorism. Social programs don't make profits for the military industrial complex, while shooting wars do. We have two dozen stealth bombers that cost 2 billion dollars each...for no reason. In Iraq, we still use B52s for bombing.
coldstatic 3 years ago 2
that exactly why we see paleoconservatives and paleolibertarians running away from Bush...Neoconservatism is Fascist indeed...
RokonFan1988 3 years ago 2
So, the answer for poverty is throwing more money at them? "Government programs"? Gimme a break
greene825 3 years ago
The right has such a problem with taking care of poor families and the mentally ill, but are more than happy to subsidize the construction of new wal-mart super stores. I don't understand why anyone, save the nation's elite, would support that kind of behavior. The truth is that the right has far more in common with fascism than the left. "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power" -Benito Mussolini
pihingler 3 years ago 2
If these Neo Cons continue to run the US, then we won't have any more government left. Thus US is going bankrupt by it's involvement in Iraq. What if we had to fight a real war? The heritage foundation is as about as right wing as you can get. And they seem to have found a little puppet named Jonas Goldberg to push more propaganda and lies.
nolagirlygirl 3 years ago
If you think GW Bush is a conservative, then you've been duped just like all the others. Bush's spending policy is decidedly "liberal." Congress has the power to stop it, but they don't. Curious conundrum don't you think?
Nerotique 3 years ago
The Republicans controlled the house and senate for over a decade and the Democrats slim majority [ not in place until Jan 2007]did not allow them the leverage necesary to pass significant legislation. Hastert, Delay and Bush, in league with corporate lobbyists, did the damage to the budget and the economy.
dinnerbucket9 3 years ago
You're absolutely correct. However, you'll note I never mentioned Democrat or Republican. Something that people can't wrap their minds around is that right does not necessarily mean Republican, and left does not necessarily mean Democrat. The same goes for the terms Conservative and Liberal, respectively.
Nerotique 3 years ago
True - but I don't like the chances for a true conservative being elected President. There's too many people in the wagon and not enough pulling.
mrchestypuller 3 years ago