Basic advanced principles LEARN2RIDE

[svengalie]

nice one

[NZbird]

Thanks very much for the Australian links. It's actually timely as a number of Australians have emailed me after seeing a blog post I made about advanced training on my site "Confessions of an Ageing Motorcyclist". There's no IAM in Oz and they were looking for high quality training based on the IPSGA principle.

Cheers,

Geoff

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

@NZbird You're very welcome Geoff. Have been bogged down in standard training so haven't had the time to do many Roadcraft videos but it is something i aim to address in the near future.

Aside from the Riderrisk channel I'd also recommend watching some very infromative videos by Nigel Bowers- his channel is 'advancedbiker' here on Youtube. Again, very informative & if you need yet more Roadcraft videos, why not have a look in the Notes section of learn2ride on Facebook- some v. useful info ;-)

[NZbird]

Great, concise video (From a recently-qualified IAM full member in NZ. Thanks so much for posting these!

Geoff

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

@NZbird you're very welcome and thank you Geoff. There is a very good series of videos from your neck of the woods which cover cornering, pillions, filtering etc. Highly recommended!

the channel is called 'riderrisk' Geoff. Well done on your recent IAM pass too :-)

[borg7ofnone]

Thank you sir very good video I am trying to learn as much as I can to be a save driver never thought lanes had so many driving positions with a car you just drive

Thanks again

[2wheelsteve]

Mate thats the best most informative advance style riding video on youtube, you put a lot of work into the captions and this is going hopefully make a lot of riders more aware of potential hazards and great road positioning, excellent & like

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

@2wheelsteve thanks very much, i am humbled

[kbaughan1]

Thanks for doing this. Really helpful prep for my Advanced Training :-)

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

@kbaughan1 you're very welcome and good luck with your test.

why not have a look at my other post test videos which give a basic introduction to cornering, dealing with junctions and so on.

also, why not visit learn2ride on facebook and you'll see some more advanced videos, hints and tips. i'll send you the link now and good luck!

(remember to let us know how you do)

[zypp33]

Another great vid, and commentry!

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

@zypp33 thanks mate, i hope it helps anyone who watches it!

[LithCS]

These are really just things a person who had driving lessons and common sense, should already be doing.

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

this video is based on the UK Police System Of Motorcycle Control (Info, Position, Speed, Gear, Acceleration) & these techniques are not taught during the standard test.

(hence why the biggest cause of rider fatality involving no other vehicles is still loss of control on bends- simply because correct techniques like those above that make up most advanced tests such as IAM, ROSPA, BLUE RIBAND etc are not taught because the standard test is usually in town.

thanks for commenting

[LithCS]

With my driving lessons we drove both in urban and rural areas as well as highways. Really, things such as looking/observing/gearing/road position/etc. should have been taught during normal driving lessons. I know I have.

I'm from the Netherlands btw, we have 2 tests, Vehicle control, and road participation.

PS. Didn't mean to bring down your video or anything. Just noticed that everything you point out, I have already been taught and do.

[LithCS]

*Follow-up*

People who don't, really should not be driving as they are a hazard to themselves and other people. Looking and observing is very important in traffic, especially on a motorcycle, as you don't have a steel frame around you protecting you. And of course, the "you go where you look" for lack of a better name.

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

no that's fine, it is just that in UK, the standard test does not cover rural riding and motorways etc and this is where 'advanced training' comes in. (it really should be called 'post-test' not advanced because a lot of it is a mixture of both common sense and road sense)

sounds like the tuition you received in the netherlands was top notch by what you describe

[LithCS]

The vehicle control test include:

- driving 8 shape

- Shifting

- emergency stop(@60km/h)

- precision stop (@60km/h)

- emergency evasion(@50km/h)

- slalom at walking speed (5km/h)

- fast slalom (50km/h)

In addition to some other maneuvers, but the ones I just listed are the most important ones I believe. (Not too sure about the speeds, it's an estimate).

Only after you've past these tests are you allowed to have lessons on the road, during which the main focus is road participation/position.

[LithCS]

In this way it both tackles slow driving/maneuvering (which is often harder than driving fast) and participation in traffic.

Basically the vehicle control test is the foundation of driving, from which you progress, and only after you've proven to be capable of handling a bike properly, are you allowed to advance.

Ride safe!

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

this seems similar to the new manoeuvres tests that have been introduced in UK & N.I.

however, the problem still remains that the standard motorcycle test is conducted in town with little or no attention paid to rural roads, positioning, limit point observation, etc nevermind motorway procedure & so on.

therefore this info (& more) is deemed 'advanced training' & must be paid for after the standard test: most bikers do not take post-test training, which is a shame as you learn so much more

[theflashhurricane]

Thankyou for the video, excellent tips, and your right I learnt none of these on my DAS course! Iv only been forced to look for further help after scaring the life out of myself by running wide on a right turn!! I now know what I was doing wrong. I think it would be great if you could do a similar video but talk thru what speed your doing and in what gear. Keep up the good work!

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

thanks mate, thats a good idea.

a good place to start if you want to improve is your local IAM or ROSPA groups, there are many up & down the country & you will learn so much more

in the meantime, why not have a look at my post test training vids especially the Right & Left Hand Bends to gain a better idea? those videos are based on my BIKESAFE, IAM & ROSPA Gold training which uses the Police System Of Motorcycle Control- & it differs from the standard test immensely.

ride safe and have fun!

[fingersjones]

excellent video, great commentary - really useful

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

thank you, i hope it helps anyone who views it

[pranky0607]

I'm a London Dder, and am looking to take bike safe rideout, and joining local IAM group. Thanks for the video, gives some good tips, and something to think about.

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

you're welcome mate. i think the bikesafe scheme in UK is superior to the one we have here- in UK it's almost a full day with classroom theory thrown in whereas here it's simply an hour's assessed ride. go for it you'll learn a thing or too. i certainly did! as for IAM i cannot recommend it highly enough. the observers work on a voluntary basis just to pass on some info to help others. it's tough and you need to know the highway code inside out but its good fun too!

thanks for the comment!

[gangsta078]

i had to use that photo of the bike n car in my I.T corsework in school haha, i did an animation of a 'compensation bike company' thing lol, great video mate, i think ill stick to perfecting the basics before attempting this =]

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

small world LOL!

thanks for the comments gangsta, let me know how you get on with the training and any questions ask away: that's what im here for

[gangsta078]

haha call me sam mate, i made this account when i was younger and nieve lol and thought it was cool ... cheers for all the help

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

ok sam, dave mate

[b33p]

Great video.

[learn2rideVIDEOS]

thanks mate- i hope you got the test sorted finally