Nice video, good explanation.. I call that a double bowline.. first I've heard "high strength", and I like it, because it promotes the safety. Doing treework, I'll either just leave a long tail and tuck the tail when using it as a running bowline on wood, or use a Yosemite tie off, rather than finishing with a anchor bend.. I also use a quick and easy second wrap.. Know usually just gets loaded once in tree work.. thanks and keep them coming.. if you are into tree work, check out my channel..
(cont) but there are times I purposely tie mine on the outside (specifically, for litter rigging -- I don't like my long tails cluttering my connection point!) I have also seen data that shows the outside bowline is actually a bit stronger on pull testing.
Just food for thought. I'm not beating you up, I'm just curious where you are coming from. Great thing about tech rescue is there are so many ways to do it safely!
@ercampbell I wish I had a better answer for your question than I do but truth is I am just reteaching the same fire house dogma I was taught by the instructor the preceded me. I would love to see the data on that testing that shows the outside tail is stronger. I have no problems changing my teaching if there is a benefit. I recently changed some of my teaching regarding the wrap 3 pull 2 based on the 2011 ITRS I attended.
Nice video -- thanks for sharing! Question regarding where the tail ends up (inside vs. outside bowline) ... I know traditionally, in the fire service, the tail on the outside has always been considered wrong. I'm getting to the point where I am starting to question why, instead of just repeating what I was taught initially 15 years ago.
So, do you have a reason you don't like the tail on the outside? For the most part, I purposely end mine on the inside (I like the Yosemite finish),
Nice video, good explanation.. I call that a double bowline.. first I've heard "high strength", and I like it, because it promotes the safety. Doing treework, I'll either just leave a long tail and tuck the tail when using it as a running bowline on wood, or use a Yosemite tie off, rather than finishing with a anchor bend.. I also use a quick and easy second wrap.. Know usually just gets loaded once in tree work.. thanks and keep them coming.. if you are into tree work, check out my channel..
murphy4trees 2 months ago
How does the extra loop add strength?
outdoorcrazy 3 months ago
@outdoorcrazy it reduces the bend ratio of the rope, which makes a huge difference in strength
murphy4trees 2 months ago
(cont) but there are times I purposely tie mine on the outside (specifically, for litter rigging -- I don't like my long tails cluttering my connection point!) I have also seen data that shows the outside bowline is actually a bit stronger on pull testing.
Just food for thought. I'm not beating you up, I'm just curious where you are coming from. Great thing about tech rescue is there are so many ways to do it safely!
ercampbell 3 months ago
@ercampbell I wish I had a better answer for your question than I do but truth is I am just reteaching the same fire house dogma I was taught by the instructor the preceded me. I would love to see the data on that testing that shows the outside tail is stronger. I have no problems changing my teaching if there is a benefit. I recently changed some of my teaching regarding the wrap 3 pull 2 based on the 2011 ITRS I attended.
MoabYoda 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Nice video -- thanks for sharing! Question regarding where the tail ends up (inside vs. outside bowline) ... I know traditionally, in the fire service, the tail on the outside has always been considered wrong. I'm getting to the point where I am starting to question why, instead of just repeating what I was taught initially 15 years ago.
So, do you have a reason you don't like the tail on the outside? For the most part, I purposely end mine on the inside (I like the Yosemite finish),
ercampbell 3 months ago