You have to know what this woman has done to people throughout her life. Sorry I think that payback is coming. We simply should not feel sorry for her at all. She used to work for Cigna.
with medicare being a government owned and not allowed to reject service to people with the health care reform bill, i say let these other stupid insurnece companies raise their premiums , that in return would get people to switch to medicare, and with everyone on medicare, you might aswell bill it as universal health care :P
The US Healthcare system is run by salesmen and bureaucrats. When will America realise that the nationalisation of the system is the only thing that will save people. Variable and entirely "mandated" insurance rates are killing people at a time when the banking industry is stealing money right out of their pockets. America is a rape victim of hostile corporate interests.
Indeed it is. It's a disgusting thing really. Extremely immoral.
One could potentially spend half there life paying an insurance company thousands of dollars and never need it except for routine checkups etc.
Down the road you find you have cancer or a serious illness and they could drop you entirely or you may still end up paying out of pocket. Many people here go completely broke over medical bills. People are selfish.
Don't forget Obama's health reform was about the same plan the Republicans threw out a few years ago, and the Democrats thought was garbage.
Basically the Democrats tried to get Republican support with the bill to fit the rep agenda, and the republicans still said no, but didn't mention "thank you for giving us our boost for big business and continuing to let us move the entire country to the right".
The democrats are really republicans and the republicans are really fascists.
Lets hope this "reform" will be used as an argument later to force in real competition and give people a public option. The battle isnt over, it only started with the first reform.
man im pissed enough that my car insurance went up 80$ more a month because i moved closer to school... fuck health insurance... i can barely get what i have now...
@whoiscarlito Fine, asshole! Move to Canada! See what we care! Enjoy your free healthcare, and your cheaper medication, and your longer life expectancies and your...
...Actually, you know what, I've changed my mind; can you maybe take me with you?
@ZachValkyrie hahahah this is the best comment i ever seen XD. Canada, the true land of the free, multicultural, and best health care in the world!(not entirely free, via pay taxes)
Maybe the republicans are right about one thing. Who needs health insurance when you can bring a gun to you Dr.s Office and "negotiate prices". Or was it a chicken they said to bring.
i wish americans, as a whole, were ballsy enough to do something drastic. if everyone came together, instead of pointing a divisive finger, we'd be powerful indeed. divided we are so easy to manipulate and abuse.
wow i swear, i am so freaking glad i live in the u.k. at least if i get stabbed here and make it to hospital somehow they wont kick me out. why is america even called land of the free anymore? i mean really, im probably more free than you
well two things are gonna happen, one this joke of refrom bill will be killed by a consevative court, or Obama or another president will have to push for single payer to get to a public option, and states run universal heath care.
You know, I actually have a better idea. I wanna infect those in the insurance industry where it will hurt the most with the most deadliest and painful disease ever imagine. It's so horrible they will agonize everyday. On top of that, any attempt to be euthanized or put into a comatose state would be denied to them. That way, each second of their miserable lives they will have to repent. So the only cure, the ONLY cure would be to push the government for REAL reforms like add the public option.
I'm so glad to live in Canada. Too bad many Americans thinks socialism is communism when in fact it can provide good services. Come to Canada, a true multicultural country of the world and free health care :).
would it be ridiculous if EVERYONE who didn't required it right away dropped Health care insurance just until they made the price reasonable again? I mean it would screw the industry and send a powerful message.
We will not have single payer health care, until every candidate running fo office, knows for certain, that that they will not be elected, if they oppose it.
if more people in america would make a stand against the capitalist pigs that are running ameican healthcare like what this woman has done ,change may come but until then couragous people like her will be destroyed by the powers that be.profit over people must be stopped .a lone wolf cant take down a bison.people must work together.
It should be illegal for institutions to make ANY profit off of Health, Safety, Education, or Defense (war). It all ready is unethical, and in most cases immoral.
The borg. lol A great word to define a thoughtless and emotionless entity like a health insurance co.
The co I work for was told by the main health insurance provider that our rates would go up 30% last month, thankfully our company took the hit and announced they will not raise our health premiums for the next 5 years. This off course took profit sharing, something we were going start to get in 2012, off the table. All you dems and non-party voters need to get out and vote progressives in now!
the total disregard for human life is the sole reason that capitalism doesnt really work. when they make money by letting you die, they will let you die. capitalism will "make the country better" but what they fail to mention is that most of the country will suffer while a small small percentage will see it as better
Leading a cooperation is akin to playing prisoner's dilemma. You have no choice but to be an inhuman profit-above-all SOB, because if you don't someone else will take advantage of the situation and replace you.
@darealdjnutz All i can say is - thanks for the health care reform, "progressives". Next time include some lubrication in the bill, that helps a bit when you bend over.
@darealdjnutz Oh the conservatives fucked up reform. Really? Lemme check. President a dem. Senate dem majority. Congress dem majority. Ooops, so much for that theory. Try another.
@megagagnon1 Like I said, you're ignorant. Where were the Republicans for the public option? For single payer? For any fucking reform at all? Case closed. Now if it was an unnecessary war they didn't pay for the Republicans would have voted for it. Go jerk off to your Rush Limbaugh poster, dumb mother fucker. You vote against your best interest, because I know you are NOT the top 2%.
@darealdjnutz First of all, dumbnuts, democrats are in charge. Second of all, i'm not a republican. You're the duped dumbazz voting against your own best interest because you vote democrat. Dems and Reps both spend like drunk sailors, and the working class pays for it all. And when the dollar crumbles the working class and the poor are going to be hit first and hardest. I vote libertarian because i know less government is best.
Isn't a company's right to raise health insurance premiums best for them? And if all the insurance companies join together and just kept raising rates, that would be the best option for them because they will make the most money. And if you don't want to pay $3000 a month for health insurance, you can die.
@net200910 Competition would solve that problem. If a monopolistic cabal raised their rates excessively, other companies would form and compete. Only a government rigging the game could hinder such competition, which is unfortunately what happens. The big players pay big government to stifle small competitors that would ruin their virtual monopoly, thereby allowing them to charge excessive premiums.
@megagagnon1 Hinder it more than it is now? If we could properly regulate the industry, then yes I'd be in favor of competition. Since that's obviously never going to happen, there will never be fair competition in the healthcare sector.
So we should just abolish it and do what almost every other industrialized country does: let the government run it. It works better and is cheaper all round, that's the only argument I need.
@megamarsvin Our government is horrible inefficient and corrupt at whatever it does. One example : Welfare. In 2005 $440 billion was spent on welfare for 2.2 million people. That works out to $220,000 per welfare recipient. Obviously most of that went towards paying bureaucrat salaries and expenses. And now you want them to run health care?
@megagagnon1 So fix it. It's YOUR government. Get the corporation lobbies out of there. You can control your government. You can't control the corporations, they can only control you (as they are to this day.)
@Fig1024 The health industry is crappy because of too much government involvement in the health care and health care insurance industry.Between medicare-caid, veterans, and government employees the government already covers a large segment of the population. And as with other industries its the government regulations which insures there's just a tiny handful of companies in the health care insurance industry. No real competition. That's what happens when there's too much govt meddling.
@megagagnon1 Perhaps there's too much government regulation. But how come governments of England, Canada, France, Italy, Russia - and many more - have successful implementation of government controlled healthcare system. While US healthcare ranks about 37th in the world.
Why is US government the only civilized nation government that can't do jack shit right with healthcare? it brings shame to America. Seriously - 37th?
@Fig1024 Seriously - you should consider the source and methodology of their ranking system. WHO (World Health Organization) report rates national health care performance according to five trendy flavors of the month: life expectancies, inequalities in health, the responsiveness of the system in providing diagnosis and treatment, inequalities in responsiveness, and how fairly systems are financed.
@Fig1024 if sources at all. For the many nations that simply do not maintain health statistics, the WHO "developed [data] through a variety of techniques." Without consistent and accurate data from within a single country, how can meaningful comparison be made among 191 different countries?
@Fig1024 First, consider the study's data. Health statistics for each country were collected from individual agencies and ministries, assuring wide disparities in definition, reporting technique and collection methodology. Indeed, the report concedes that "in all cases, there are multiple and often conflicting sources of information,"
No. If another company was formed, it would either join the monopoly or be "brought out" when it becomes big enough. Even if you have 1 million smaller companies that form, they would slowly combine and you'd still get a handful of large companies. The truth is that in terms of profit, large corporations that form a monopoly make the most money as demonstrated by the history of American corporations, most of which started as small businesses.
@net200910 Corporate monopolies only happen with the aid of government, at least in the long term. The myth of the evil monopoly - youtube videos, articles and books have been written with that title, or something close to it. That's why the corporations want their industry regulated by the government.
No. Corporations, especially monopolies are what is best for any marketplace. Businesses compete for both production and consumers. Corporations, especially monopolies, are the best at controlling production and consumption. So you end up with healthcare where you pay more and get less. Bribing government is just an easy step, but it's not needed. But for a corporation, an easy step saves money compared to other means. But they'll still monopolize whether government helps or not.
@net200910 Name some corporations that do business in the US without any government help. Show me some examples of long term monopolies without government aid.
You're probably using it's product right now. It's called Windows. They wiped out so many companies simply by integrating competing products into Windows. Then there's ebay. It uses its auction to push Paypal. And Walmart. If you live in a rural area, Walmart owns you. They will undercut your prices simply because they're able to take losses in one one Walmart store if they make up for it in another. So they can squeeze you out of business, then become the only seller in town.
@net200910 I guess you didn't understand my question. I said WITHOUT government help. Walmart - est $1 billion in taxpayer money. Paypal is a more complex case, but it's not a monopoly, because obviously a consumer has many choices, including not using paypal at all.If Walmart charges low low prices, that doesn't qualify as an evil monopoly, that's a good thing for consumers. And the fact is even the mere threat of competition keeps them on their toes. Long term monopoly myth.
What about Microsoft? You skipped them? Aren't they a monopoly? You want to purchase a new computer, you get Windows. You want something else, you better build your own. A monopoly isn't evil. Corporations are not evil. Companies want to make the most money possible. The belief that profit is evil is ridiculous. What I'm saying is that corporations do not have consumers in mind as their best interest.
@net200910 Microsoft? Here's a recent headline : Microsoft Windows Sales Plunge 24% Amid Rising Competition. Competition is great for consumers, it forces companies to offer better service at lower prices - unless of course they have some sort of monopoly because of the government. Mexico has that across the board. Carlos Slim, the richest man in the world, runs a telephone company in mexico - government-aided monopoly. The most expensive long distance rates in the world.
Please get off the evil kick. Nothing is evil. Corporations want to make as much profit as possible, and bribing government to make laws for them saves them alot of money and time. But if they could not do that, they would still monopolize the competition, just slower. Like Microsoft. Walmart is doing it the slow way. AT&T is doing it too right now. Don't think that just because you benefit right now, it's always going to be that way. The cost of Health insurance says otherwise.
Not really. In a market where the government doesn't regulate. You would just have companies like Standard oil,Bell telephone monopoly,etc. All they had to do was buy out competition and eliminate any other competition.
@jxsilicon9 There's no market in the US that the government doesn't regulate. And the bell telephone monopoly only happened because of the government, just after ww2 ended. Standard oil? Very efficiently run company that halved the price of oil - great for consumers. But without government help, even their "monopoly" would've been temporary - if they arbitrarily decided to raise rates, new competition would emerge.
Well geez seems like when you force people into a monopoly by law prices go up what you morons dont realize is the solution actually is for enough ppl to not buy insurance forcing the insurance companies hand but now thats illegal. 39% sounds like hope and change to me
I'm wondering if there will ever be a day when America gets some sense and rolls out single payer health care. Or socilized medicine if you call it that. This is unsustainable, and we need to get our heads together
It was well known that our rates will be raised no matter what happen, even if a bill is passed to prevent it. Right now there's no way in telling where this will go in the future.
@Scarpsad ... It's not a comma,it's an apostrophe. Well, people 'rage' and become a 'grammar nazi' over you're and your because it's something everyone should have learned by the 2nd grade.
You're- contraction of You and Are; You're awesome, you're great etc..
Your-possessive form of you.. Your car, your cat, your mother.
Aren't corporations required by law to make as much profit as possible? So why would you expect insurance companies to not raise your rates. In fact, wouldn't the president of the company be breaking the law for not wanting to raise the rates? She's actively trying to make less money, thats illegal no? Its unfair to the the stockholders.
Its fucking retarded, don't get me wrong, but isn't that the reality?
@mrk1190 I hope that one day a pissed of father breaks into a board meeting and offs the entire board for sentancing his kid to death.
The corporate death panels give death sentances to people everyday so they can get golden toilets and orange face peels. I can't wait to pick up a paper and read "pissed off mother offs every executive and rate adjustor at wellpoint.
The key for these heartless immoral companies is to find the absolute maximum they can charge that with both eliminate anyone who would feasibly use the coverage but just under the amount that causes a revolt on a national scale. I'd think that a 39% increase would be beyond the tipping point but to many politicians are in the pocket of the industry they are suppose to "regulate." Make's me sick but I can't afford to go to the doctor!
Michigan just mandated full medical on mandatory, no-fault auto insurance. Rates went up 15%. The insurance agent called it a "small" adjustment until I did the math for her. My insurance is now about the same as a car payment.
@Renekiv I have NO idea why so many people hear the word socialism and really lose all their senses. These are the same people who are fine with libraries, schools, fire departments, police, Medicare, unemployment insurance and social security but Universal Health Care, now that's different. To much of our policies are unduly influenced by big business and MANY in the government are either in bed with them or simply corrupt! Our News is also owned & dictated by business not for the people.ARGE!
@msgerto I think main problem is that US right wing media has perverted the idea of socialism. To americans socialism= Stalin Hitler Mao and any other dictator out there, but in truth all those regimes did was pervert the idea of socialism for personal power.
@Renekiv I completely agree. But I think it's more nefarious than linking socialism= Hitler; it's all about the money. If we have Universal Health Care, Energy & Bank reform then lots of the $ that's been made drys up. Many well funded companies have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.These CO own or control media, campaign $ etc. Follow the $ and it will lead to the answer, unfortunately many Americans aren't critical thinkers & don't question the source or asks for facts.
@msgerto Ur totally right, linking socialism=Stalin is for distraction. So middle class wont ask question and make people think change is a bad thing Who wants to give up their money making machine so thats why today corporation own Usa because that way they can do whatever they want and that leads to my first point
Im so fucking glad i live in Europe. EU maybe filled with red tape but the politicians here dont roll over and take it from behind
@Renekiv Many big companies have so much power in all facets of our life in the US. They swing elections, determine who we get to vote for, stock a supreme court that dis-proportionally favors business over people,reduce the rights of citizens over profits for companies even @ costs lives as long as the profits are up! Some business' r ethical but the 1's that aren't have the spin factory working overtime and unfortunately they have the resources to be successful.
@Renekiv True they corrupted the idea but they two aren't in actuality connected although that is exactly what the conservative media unethically portrays. But somehow I don't think that other socialized programs like the fire department or the library has corrupted our society or government I'm confident that universal healthcare wouldn't destroy our society. But if they repeat a lie enough time is seams to gain creditability... ridiculous but often true.
@msgerto socialized programs dont ruin shit politicians who run them do. I follow Us politics closely and honestly i think Us gov politicians are a joke. The amount if idiocy coming out of their mouth amuses me thats why i follow it. Also i cant understand how could the USA got so corrupted and why citizens allowed it
@Renekiv We agree again! To much money to become & stay in government. It leads to corruption.2 get & stay in office in the US you have to make a deal with the devil. I don't understand why more in congress don't stand up and say,"JUST DO THE RIGHT THING!" It isn't rocket science we don't even have to create a working model take what works in other countries! When it comes to health care it's literally life & death it's immoral that life is considered on profit & loss statement!
@msgerto Politicians dont stand up and do the right thing because theyre corrupted i dont mean couple i mean the whole system all the big seat owners get some money for elections and in return they give u pocket change with loopholes instead of true change. There are some who resist but they are outnumbered and they cant to nothing.
You have no idea how much of a boogeyman you are to these people.
Our healthcare system in the United States is literally a joke. I laugh when I think about it. I currently refuse to buy into our system. Eventually, I'm going to HAVE to, because our health care reform is actually likely to make our system worse, depending even more on people who make a profit off of our not using the services we pay for.
you Americans had better start doing something, because its getting really fuken scary to live in your country, as for me i guess im next inline because canada will follow for sure
All I can really do is pray and hope nothing bad happens and that some change will occur to where Obama puts his foot down and makes or break these insurance companies in doing good.
This corporatist shit will lead to a lot of suffering for everyone if they don't learn to curb their greed. There's only so much people are willing to be denied before they take it by force. And considering how health insurance works, the only way to do that is to take over the companies by force...
Too bad, it works, and a true liberal endorses it. We endorse individual freedom. If you don't endorse that, you're not a liberal, you're a conservative in sheep's clothing.
This can't be. Conservatives have told me it doesn't work this way. And, apparently, liberals who supported this health care mandate believe the same thing.
the State Insurance commissioners are meeting on Aug 17th and there are 20 consumer advocates there and 1000 corpoarte lobbyist there.. what do u think will happen ?
If the loan shark banker isn't bad enough, obamacare extortion should be enough to spark some kind of bloody revolution.
No public option, but everyone must buy healthcare now and the rate is worst then extortion with all the deny care cause of pre-existing condition. Man, your country is fudge up so bad.
The only thing that is preventing the arm rebellion right now is all the entertainment provided to the masses that keep their slaves in a mild content mindset.
whe ni hear that they dont care about hte ppl i think yeah of course they dont, but this person is specifically makin me down, i feel tremendous hate for these guys at blue cross, dont you guys down in teh states find it hard not to take a fuckin gun to these ppls heads? damn if canadians had to put up with the bullshit you guys do we would have a revolution.
This is a big reason why I love the movie Saw VI. I had never seen a Saw movie before, but once I heard that Saw VI was about giving health insurance bastards some of their own medicine, and what they should have coming to them, I HAD TO SEE IT. And, tell me, was it wrong for me to be smiling from ear to ear when those health care a-holes got their comeuppance? :D When, at the end, a health insurance chief got his innards turned out, a big, toothy grin was almost permanently stamped on my face!
My advice to everyone is to eat raw fruits and vegetables only, don't smoke, exercise everyday, don't get cancer, and god forbid don't get in a car accident.
@GodAthie, people like you are what really scare me, Healthcare is needed to perserve life and prevent death, yet you say it isn't a right? there's a little girl right now who had to open a lemonade stand just to help pay for her cancer treatment and she has insurance, do you understand that without the treatment she could die? does she not have a RIGHT to life?
healthcare is a service and rights arn't services they are things we as human being have naturally ether from god or our intellect depending on your faith
Capitialism and healthcare can work together, but what we have now is far from true capitialism. no one cares bout the cost of a surgery if they aren't paying for it themselves. why should i get over the counter medicine when i can get a prescription for free? what if we had food insurance?
@GodAthie, Healthcare isn't the abilty to live? if you got cancer and needed 1 million dollars for treatment and your insurance company didn't cover it and you couldn't possibly afford it, then how would you get better and how would you live? if heathcare isn't the ability to live, then tell that to the 44,000 people who die every year due to lack of insurance which is needed to keep them alive.
insurance is a risk... how big of a risk the person is willing to take is relflective on the amount of coverage that person has.
if i needed a 1 million dollar treatment and my insurance didnt cover it... its my fault i took the risk and lost... if i can't afford it why should other people be forced to live with the burden?
@GodAthie Took what risk? Sometimes, people get sick through no fault of their own. Other people are born with disabilities. I was born with a mild condition, thanks to being born prematurely. No health insurance company will touch me. I'm sorry, but our health care system is terrible. I cannot see a doctor, so if I get sick, I have to die. Maybe you don't know that that is like, but I live it every single day.
@GodAthie So long as health insurance is for profit, nothing will change. Canada and many European countries have a Public Option or Single Payer system and their health care systems are superior to ours. Our Health Care reform just forces everyone to buy health insurance from companies who don't care about anything other than money. I have and will always support nationalizing the entire industry, as my life and the lives of my fellow Americans should not be for profit.
@GodAthie, If insurance is considered a risk, then it's far from INSURANCE!!!, and how is it your fault if the insurance company you have been paying for x amount of years, descides not to cover you when you actually need them? I can't believe your blaming victims of the insurance racket for there own demise.
@GodAthie, BTW, American pays more in GDP for healthcare than any other place that provides heathcare for free, and we cover less people, what the heath insurance dick-riders fail to understand is that for profit healthcare was another big factor in our economy going down the drain, in places were heathcare is free, corporations don't have to worry about providing heathcare which allows for more growth and jobs.
@GodAthie yeah oyu know what, fuck the poor, if they cant afford health care its their fault right, they can die of painful cancer. who gives a damn right? its not the jobs of the health insurance companies to provide coverage! thats lunancy! ...i hope you lose your job then get a serious ailment so you know what its like.
its not that i dont want people to have health care... i as a libertarian beileve its not the governments job to provide health care... and if government wouldn't tax as much private charities would proivide better services to the poor... like the recent charity on msnbc free clinics usa? not sure of the name... but more money would be available for programs like those
@EziekielNightwind That disgusting country is America. Land of the (nothing's for) Free. Home of the Wealthy and Corrupt.
For the longest time now, health insurance companies have been about profits, ridiculous amounts of wealth for its upper execs, and, worst of all, about DENYING claims. That's their default setting -- REJECT, DENY! Money is more important to them than anything else. See Saw VI for kicks. I highly recommend it.
@DarthMakaveliSithMC I'm Canadian, so I'm lucky to not have to worry about health care insurance, and I've been following these health care "debates" in the US for a few years now, but I'm still disgusted.
Is it not a fundamental human right to have access to a doctor? How many people can never see a doctor because they can't afford it. Does this not mean that the US is breaking this human right?
Also, I live in Toronto, where all the Saw movies are made, just a random bit of trivia. =P
@EziekielNightwind If you have no health insurance in the United States, hospitals are not required to treat you. They are only required to stabilize you, to the best of their ability, if you are in immediate danger of dying. If you are not dying, hospitals are legally allowed to kick you out. Yes, America's health care is beyond cruel. Conservatives have shaped health care as a priviledge and not a right in this country.
You're an idiot. If you're going to talk about a topic be a little more informed. If only the healthcare/insurance crisis was that easy to explain.
misfitsmom3 1 year ago
@misfitsmom3 How about you explain it then.
dsdougharty 1 year ago
sigh...america
jomastretch 1 year ago
i got an insurance company ad
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
You have to know what this woman has done to people throughout her life. Sorry I think that payback is coming. We simply should not feel sorry for her at all. She used to work for Cigna.
JoJoshua1 1 year ago
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JoJoshua1 1 year ago
"where does it end" Hopefully in nation-wide board room massacres like the movie Dogma
canisdormit 1 year ago
People who are screaming the loudest against tax increase are the ones who are silent when their insurance rates soar upwards..
sensur1 1 year ago
@13thtrece yes, winter up here sucks. However, i still consider myself lucky to be born Canadian.
doublejoe69 1 year ago
with medicare being a government owned and not allowed to reject service to people with the health care reform bill, i say let these other stupid insurnece companies raise their premiums , that in return would get people to switch to medicare, and with everyone on medicare, you might aswell bill it as universal health care :P
lorndarken 1 year ago
"In death we all have a name, and that name is Robert Paulson"! -Project Mayhem
"Better to be a pirate then a general" -Steve Jobbs
I'm not a very good corporate solder either.
fret2424 1 year ago
I want Universal Health Care. PERIOD!!!
Screw the Private Sector!!!!
lapiz4azulli 1 year ago 5
She rocked the boat... GOOD. thats what we all must do.
Raephire 1 year ago 4
The US Healthcare system is run by salesmen and bureaucrats. When will America realise that the nationalisation of the system is the only thing that will save people. Variable and entirely "mandated" insurance rates are killing people at a time when the banking industry is stealing money right out of their pockets. America is a rape victim of hostile corporate interests.
BeholdZeus 1 year ago
How DARE you have a soul in the health care industry!
Phelan666 1 year ago 16
The American healthcare must be the biggest ripoff in the entire world. Thank God I don't live there.
celt67 1 year ago
@celt67
Indeed it is. It's a disgusting thing really. Extremely immoral.
One could potentially spend half there life paying an insurance company thousands of dollars and never need it except for routine checkups etc.
Down the road you find you have cancer or a serious illness and they could drop you entirely or you may still end up paying out of pocket. Many people here go completely broke over medical bills. People are selfish.
refuckulate420 1 year ago
Fuck all the crosses Blue, Red, Religious. To hell with all of them.
Blac13 1 year ago 3
Don't forget Obama's health reform was about the same plan the Republicans threw out a few years ago, and the Democrats thought was garbage.
Basically the Democrats tried to get Republican support with the bill to fit the rep agenda, and the republicans still said no, but didn't mention "thank you for giving us our boost for big business and continuing to let us move the entire country to the right".
The democrats are really republicans and the republicans are really fascists.
Razorlust 1 year ago
"Corporate soldier". So they're in a war, with their corporate soldiers. So who's the enemy in this war. Us. Fuck them.
OgreMECH 1 year ago
Lets hope this "reform" will be used as an argument later to force in real competition and give people a public option. The battle isnt over, it only started with the first reform.
Lobos222 1 year ago
Holy shit, now that's fuck up
bigboss025 1 year ago
man im pissed enough that my car insurance went up 80$ more a month because i moved closer to school... fuck health insurance... i can barely get what i have now...
Secretofthesauce 1 year ago
Fuck this I'm moving to Canada.
whoiscarlito 1 year ago
@whoiscarlito im moving to the UK but Canada is my second option
Secretofthesauce 1 year ago
@whoiscarlito Fine, asshole! Move to Canada! See what we care! Enjoy your free healthcare, and your cheaper medication, and your longer life expectancies and your...
...Actually, you know what, I've changed my mind; can you maybe take me with you?
ZachValkyrie 1 year ago
@ZachValkyrie LMAO!!!
whoiscarlito 1 year ago
@ZachValkyrie hahahah this is the best comment i ever seen XD. Canada, the true land of the free, multicultural, and best health care in the world!(not entirely free, via pay taxes)
publicmario17 1 year ago
OBAMA PLEASE DO SOMETHING...PLEASE.
elmirasahar 1 year ago
Maybe the republicans are right about one thing. Who needs health insurance when you can bring a gun to you Dr.s Office and "negotiate prices". Or was it a chicken they said to bring.
LegendaryFrost 1 year ago
i wish americans, as a whole, were ballsy enough to do something drastic. if everyone came together, instead of pointing a divisive finger, we'd be powerful indeed. divided we are so easy to manipulate and abuse.
MissNophi2U 1 year ago
wow i swear, i am so freaking glad i live in the u.k. at least if i get stabbed here and make it to hospital somehow they wont kick me out. why is america even called land of the free anymore? i mean really, im probably more free than you
thetrueturnip 1 year ago
Watch "THE CORPORATION [1/23] What is a Corporation?" on Youtube.
Corporations are Psychotic
volumedealer1 1 year ago
If I hear one more dumbass say; "Obama-care" 'm going to kick them in the nuts.
TheTruePooka 1 year ago 2
I smell a revolution...
soiierre 1 year ago
@soiierre Really? I don't.
SgtSprayin 1 year ago
well two things are gonna happen, one this joke of refrom bill will be killed by a consevative court, or Obama or another president will have to push for single payer to get to a public option, and states run universal heath care.
KangaKucha 1 year ago
LOL @ Obama's cheerleaders
miketv 1 year ago
You know, I actually have a better idea. I wanna infect those in the insurance industry where it will hurt the most with the most deadliest and painful disease ever imagine. It's so horrible they will agonize everyday. On top of that, any attempt to be euthanized or put into a comatose state would be denied to them. That way, each second of their miserable lives they will have to repent. So the only cure, the ONLY cure would be to push the government for REAL reforms like add the public option.
Coraxuss 1 year ago
I'm so glad to live in Canada. Too bad many Americans thinks socialism is communism when in fact it can provide good services. Come to Canada, a true multicultural country of the world and free health care :).
publicmario17 1 year ago 2
@publicmario17 for now, dont let harpoer get a majority, or you will lose that too.
KangaKucha 1 year ago
would it be ridiculous if EVERYONE who didn't required it right away dropped Health care insurance just until they made the price reasonable again? I mean it would screw the industry and send a powerful message.
EbilSmurfs 1 year ago
man being canadian is great the only cost regarding our health is the time it takes to heal wich with the good care we get isn't long
pinkfloydhorse 1 year ago
We will not have single payer health care, until every candidate running fo office, knows for certain, that that they will not be elected, if they oppose it.
MisterEvil1 1 year ago
they must be regulated as utilities and a public option or medicare for all must be done. S
StyngRay1 1 year ago
if more people in america would make a stand against the capitalist pigs that are running ameican healthcare like what this woman has done ,change may come but until then couragous people like her will be destroyed by the powers that be.profit over people must be stopped .a lone wolf cant take down a bison.people must work together.
johnken35 1 year ago
It should be illegal for institutions to make ANY profit off of Health, Safety, Education, or Defense (war). It all ready is unethical, and in most cases immoral.
cynisturb 1 year ago
The borg. lol A great word to define a thoughtless and emotionless entity like a health insurance co.
The co I work for was told by the main health insurance provider that our rates would go up 30% last month, thankfully our company took the hit and announced they will not raise our health premiums for the next 5 years. This off course took profit sharing, something we were going start to get in 2012, off the table. All you dems and non-party voters need to get out and vote progressives in now!
TheUSMetalhead 1 year ago
whenever i hear stories like this it makes me realise how much i take the NHS for-granted.
trekkie108 1 year ago
the total disregard for human life is the sole reason that capitalism doesnt really work. when they make money by letting you die, they will let you die. capitalism will "make the country better" but what they fail to mention is that most of the country will suffer while a small small percentage will see it as better
masterkayaki 1 year ago 2
LOL Star Trek analogy FTW.
KaizokuSanji 1 year ago
The Risk Adjustment Factor formula looks like this: 1x = RAF where x = 11.5%
Shisho2k 1 year ago
Leading a cooperation is akin to playing prisoner's dilemma. You have no choice but to be an inhuman profit-above-all SOB, because if you don't someone else will take advantage of the situation and replace you.
qmaqdk 1 year ago
she went Jerry Maguire on them
eyehategumbo 1 year ago
Medicare for all, fuck these vultures.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago 65
@darealdjnutz All i can say is - thanks for the health care reform, "progressives". Next time include some lubrication in the bill, that helps a bit when you bend over.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@megagagnon1 Thank the conservatives for fucking up reform. We know who they represent. The VULTURES. Fuck them and fuck your ignorant ass too.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz Oh the conservatives fucked up reform. Really? Lemme check. President a dem. Senate dem majority. Congress dem majority. Ooops, so much for that theory. Try another.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@megagagnon1 Like I said, you're ignorant. Where were the Republicans for the public option? For single payer? For any fucking reform at all? Case closed. Now if it was an unnecessary war they didn't pay for the Republicans would have voted for it. Go jerk off to your Rush Limbaugh poster, dumb mother fucker. You vote against your best interest, because I know you are NOT the top 2%.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz First of all, dumbnuts, democrats are in charge. Second of all, i'm not a republican. You're the duped dumbazz voting against your own best interest because you vote democrat. Dems and Reps both spend like drunk sailors, and the working class pays for it all. And when the dollar crumbles the working class and the poor are going to be hit first and hardest. I vote libertarian because i know less government is best.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@megagagnon1 LOL, Libertarian? That just means you waste your vote, you fucking dumbass. You're not worth my time, kiddo. LMAO.... at you.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz LOL you waste your vote AND waste your country, buried in debt. Thanx. And thanx for helping blue cross raise rates.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
Isn't a company's right to raise health insurance premiums best for them? And if all the insurance companies join together and just kept raising rates, that would be the best option for them because they will make the most money. And if you don't want to pay $3000 a month for health insurance, you can die.
net200910 1 year ago
@net200910 Competition would solve that problem. If a monopolistic cabal raised their rates excessively, other companies would form and compete. Only a government rigging the game could hinder such competition, which is unfortunately what happens. The big players pay big government to stifle small competitors that would ruin their virtual monopoly, thereby allowing them to charge excessive premiums.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@megagagnon1 Hinder it more than it is now? If we could properly regulate the industry, then yes I'd be in favor of competition. Since that's obviously never going to happen, there will never be fair competition in the healthcare sector.
So we should just abolish it and do what almost every other industrialized country does: let the government run it. It works better and is cheaper all round, that's the only argument I need.
megamarsvin 1 year ago
@megamarsvin Our government is horrible inefficient and corrupt at whatever it does. One example : Welfare. In 2005 $440 billion was spent on welfare for 2.2 million people. That works out to $220,000 per welfare recipient. Obviously most of that went towards paying bureaucrat salaries and expenses. And now you want them to run health care?
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@megagagnon1 So fix it. It's YOUR government. Get the corporation lobbies out of there. You can control your government. You can't control the corporations, they can only control you (as they are to this day.)
megamarsvin 1 year ago
@megagagnon1 When facing the choice between bankruptcy due to medical expenses or inefficient government healthcare, what do you choose?
Sure the government is crappy, but health industry is becoming a mafia syndicate, where they literally hold your life in their hands.
Fig1024 1 year ago 2
@Fig1024 The health industry is crappy because of too much government involvement in the health care and health care insurance industry.Between medicare-caid, veterans, and government employees the government already covers a large segment of the population. And as with other industries its the government regulations which insures there's just a tiny handful of companies in the health care insurance industry. No real competition. That's what happens when there's too much govt meddling.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@megagagnon1 Perhaps there's too much government regulation. But how come governments of England, Canada, France, Italy, Russia - and many more - have successful implementation of government controlled healthcare system. While US healthcare ranks about 37th in the world.
Why is US government the only civilized nation government that can't do jack shit right with healthcare? it brings shame to America. Seriously - 37th?
Fig1024 1 year ago
@Fig1024 Seriously - you should consider the source and methodology of their ranking system. WHO (World Health Organization) report rates national health care performance according to five trendy flavors of the month: life expectancies, inequalities in health, the responsiveness of the system in providing diagnosis and treatment, inequalities in responsiveness, and how fairly systems are financed.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@Fig1024 if sources at all. For the many nations that simply do not maintain health statistics, the WHO "developed [data] through a variety of techniques." Without consistent and accurate data from within a single country, how can meaningful comparison be made among 191 different countries?
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@Fig1024 Sent you a message with a link explaining WHO's ranking methodology.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@Fig1024 First, consider the study's data. Health statistics for each country were collected from individual agencies and ministries, assuring wide disparities in definition, reporting technique and collection methodology. Indeed, the report concedes that "in all cases, there are multiple and often conflicting sources of information,"
megagagnon1 1 year ago
No. If another company was formed, it would either join the monopoly or be "brought out" when it becomes big enough. Even if you have 1 million smaller companies that form, they would slowly combine and you'd still get a handful of large companies. The truth is that in terms of profit, large corporations that form a monopoly make the most money as demonstrated by the history of American corporations, most of which started as small businesses.
net200910 1 year ago
@net200910 Corporate monopolies only happen with the aid of government, at least in the long term. The myth of the evil monopoly - youtube videos, articles and books have been written with that title, or something close to it. That's why the corporations want their industry regulated by the government.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
No. Corporations, especially monopolies are what is best for any marketplace. Businesses compete for both production and consumers. Corporations, especially monopolies, are the best at controlling production and consumption. So you end up with healthcare where you pay more and get less. Bribing government is just an easy step, but it's not needed. But for a corporation, an easy step saves money compared to other means. But they'll still monopolize whether government helps or not.
net200910 1 year ago
@net200910 Name some corporations that do business in the US without any government help. Show me some examples of long term monopolies without government aid.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
You're probably using it's product right now. It's called Windows. They wiped out so many companies simply by integrating competing products into Windows. Then there's ebay. It uses its auction to push Paypal. And Walmart. If you live in a rural area, Walmart owns you. They will undercut your prices simply because they're able to take losses in one one Walmart store if they make up for it in another. So they can squeeze you out of business, then become the only seller in town.
net200910 1 year ago
@net200910 I guess you didn't understand my question. I said WITHOUT government help. Walmart - est $1 billion in taxpayer money. Paypal is a more complex case, but it's not a monopoly, because obviously a consumer has many choices, including not using paypal at all.If Walmart charges low low prices, that doesn't qualify as an evil monopoly, that's a good thing for consumers. And the fact is even the mere threat of competition keeps them on their toes. Long term monopoly myth.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
What about Microsoft? You skipped them? Aren't they a monopoly? You want to purchase a new computer, you get Windows. You want something else, you better build your own. A monopoly isn't evil. Corporations are not evil. Companies want to make the most money possible. The belief that profit is evil is ridiculous. What I'm saying is that corporations do not have consumers in mind as their best interest.
net200910 1 year ago
@net200910 Microsoft? Here's a recent headline : Microsoft Windows Sales Plunge 24% Amid Rising Competition. Competition is great for consumers, it forces companies to offer better service at lower prices - unless of course they have some sort of monopoly because of the government. Mexico has that across the board. Carlos Slim, the richest man in the world, runs a telephone company in mexico - government-aided monopoly. The most expensive long distance rates in the world.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
Please get off the evil kick. Nothing is evil. Corporations want to make as much profit as possible, and bribing government to make laws for them saves them alot of money and time. But if they could not do that, they would still monopolize the competition, just slower. Like Microsoft. Walmart is doing it the slow way. AT&T is doing it too right now. Don't think that just because you benefit right now, it's always going to be that way. The cost of Health insurance says otherwise.
net200910 1 year ago
@net200910 Walmart got an estimated $1+ billion in taxpayer money to build their stores. That's the slow way?
megagagnon1 1 year ago
@megagagnon1
Not really. In a market where the government doesn't regulate. You would just have companies like Standard oil,Bell telephone monopoly,etc. All they had to do was buy out competition and eliminate any other competition.
jxsilicon9 1 year ago
@jxsilicon9 There's no market in the US that the government doesn't regulate. And the bell telephone monopoly only happened because of the government, just after ww2 ended. Standard oil? Very efficiently run company that halved the price of oil - great for consumers. But without government help, even their "monopoly" would've been temporary - if they arbitrarily decided to raise rates, new competition would emerge.
megagagnon1 1 year ago
Well geez seems like when you force people into a monopoly by law prices go up what you morons dont realize is the solution actually is for enough ppl to not buy insurance forcing the insurance companies hand but now thats illegal. 39% sounds like hope and change to me
iamsean90 1 year ago
I'm wondering if there will ever be a day when America gets some sense and rolls out single payer health care. Or socilized medicine if you call it that. This is unsustainable, and we need to get our heads together
SeBakasam 1 year ago
It was well known that our rates will be raised no matter what happen, even if a bill is passed to prevent it. Right now there's no way in telling where this will go in the future.
Mika20 1 year ago
is it safe to say that Obama failed completely? The lift on the ban on stem cell research helps NO ONE if they can't afford the benefits.
alecton 1 year ago
@Scarpsad ... It's not a comma,it's an apostrophe. Well, people 'rage' and become a 'grammar nazi' over you're and your because it's something everyone should have learned by the 2nd grade.
You're- contraction of You and Are; You're awesome, you're great etc..
Your-possessive form of you.. Your car, your cat, your mother.
kokabeel 1 year ago
Good corporate solider!!?! man fk that! talk about selfish bastards
evlassassin 1 year ago
@evlassassin They just confirmed their reservations in Hell.
msgerto 1 year ago
Aren't corporations required by law to make as much profit as possible? So why would you expect insurance companies to not raise your rates. In fact, wouldn't the president of the company be breaking the law for not wanting to raise the rates? She's actively trying to make less money, thats illegal no? Its unfair to the the stockholders.
Its fucking retarded, don't get me wrong, but isn't that the reality?
gocanuckzgo 1 year ago
@KoschKff Obama would give them a bailout because we need insurers like we need wall street....
To make rich people richer by robbing everyone else.
dffykvn 1 year ago
ugh if only business wasn't so heartless and complicated
mrk1190 1 year ago
@mrk1190 I hope that one day a pissed of father breaks into a board meeting and offs the entire board for sentancing his kid to death.
The corporate death panels give death sentances to people everyday so they can get golden toilets and orange face peels. I can't wait to pick up a paper and read "pissed off mother offs every executive and rate adjustor at wellpoint.
dffykvn 1 year ago
Ironically. there is a ad for Anthem next to this video.
RPGchannel 1 year ago
corporate soldier mercenaries
I'm just wondering, who is their enemy? the American people?
marktsheppard 1 year ago
The key for these heartless immoral companies is to find the absolute maximum they can charge that with both eliminate anyone who would feasibly use the coverage but just under the amount that causes a revolt on a national scale. I'd think that a 39% increase would be beyond the tipping point but to many politicians are in the pocket of the industry they are suppose to "regulate." Make's me sick but I can't afford to go to the doctor!
msgerto 1 year ago
Michigan just mandated full medical on mandatory, no-fault auto insurance. Rates went up 15%. The insurance agent called it a "small" adjustment until I did the math for her. My insurance is now about the same as a car payment.
zthustra 1 year ago
We are the corporate Borg,
Your finances will assimilated,
We will add your monetary wealth and investment protfolios to our own,
From this day forward, your credit will service us.
Resistance is futile.
Capng123 1 year ago
Im glad i live in Europe with our public health care
All conservatives in USA
Boooo im a socialist boogeyman
Renekiv 1 year ago 11
@Renekiv I have NO idea why so many people hear the word socialism and really lose all their senses. These are the same people who are fine with libraries, schools, fire departments, police, Medicare, unemployment insurance and social security but Universal Health Care, now that's different. To much of our policies are unduly influenced by big business and MANY in the government are either in bed with them or simply corrupt! Our News is also owned & dictated by business not for the people.ARGE!
msgerto 1 year ago
@msgerto I think main problem is that US right wing media has perverted the idea of socialism. To americans socialism= Stalin Hitler Mao and any other dictator out there, but in truth all those regimes did was pervert the idea of socialism for personal power.
Renekiv 1 year ago
@Renekiv I completely agree. But I think it's more nefarious than linking socialism= Hitler; it's all about the money. If we have Universal Health Care, Energy & Bank reform then lots of the $ that's been made drys up. Many well funded companies have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.These CO own or control media, campaign $ etc. Follow the $ and it will lead to the answer, unfortunately many Americans aren't critical thinkers & don't question the source or asks for facts.
msgerto 1 year ago
@msgerto Ur totally right, linking socialism=Stalin is for distraction. So middle class wont ask question and make people think change is a bad thing Who wants to give up their money making machine so thats why today corporation own Usa because that way they can do whatever they want and that leads to my first point
Im so fucking glad i live in Europe. EU maybe filled with red tape but the politicians here dont roll over and take it from behind
Renekiv 1 year ago
@Renekiv The don't bend over here, they line their pockets with cash.
darealdjnutz 1 year ago
@darealdjnutz Yeah but if politicians get in trouble with corp they go to their masters and bend over to get some more money
Renekiv 1 year ago
@Renekiv Many big companies have so much power in all facets of our life in the US. They swing elections, determine who we get to vote for, stock a supreme court that dis-proportionally favors business over people,reduce the rights of citizens over profits for companies even @ costs lives as long as the profits are up! Some business' r ethical but the 1's that aren't have the spin factory working overtime and unfortunately they have the resources to be successful.
msgerto 1 year ago
@Renekiv True they corrupted the idea but they two aren't in actuality connected although that is exactly what the conservative media unethically portrays. But somehow I don't think that other socialized programs like the fire department or the library has corrupted our society or government I'm confident that universal healthcare wouldn't destroy our society. But if they repeat a lie enough time is seams to gain creditability... ridiculous but often true.
msgerto 1 year ago
@msgerto socialized programs dont ruin shit politicians who run them do. I follow Us politics closely and honestly i think Us gov politicians are a joke. The amount if idiocy coming out of their mouth amuses me thats why i follow it. Also i cant understand how could the USA got so corrupted and why citizens allowed it
Renekiv 1 year ago
@Renekiv We agree again! To much money to become & stay in government. It leads to corruption.2 get & stay in office in the US you have to make a deal with the devil. I don't understand why more in congress don't stand up and say,"JUST DO THE RIGHT THING!" It isn't rocket science we don't even have to create a working model take what works in other countries! When it comes to health care it's literally life & death it's immoral that life is considered on profit & loss statement!
msgerto 1 year ago
@msgerto Politicians dont stand up and do the right thing because theyre corrupted i dont mean couple i mean the whole system all the big seat owners get some money for elections and in return they give u pocket change with loopholes instead of true change. There are some who resist but they are outnumbered and they cant to nothing.
Renekiv 1 year ago
@Renekiv
Same here;-)I'll rather live in "opressive socialistic regime";-)
Kharmazov 1 year ago
@Renekiv
You have no idea how much of a boogeyman you are to these people.
Our healthcare system in the United States is literally a joke. I laugh when I think about it. I currently refuse to buy into our system. Eventually, I'm going to HAVE to, because our health care reform is actually likely to make our system worse, depending even more on people who make a profit off of our not using the services we pay for.
dEdGrimley 1 year ago
Actually, risk is considered costly. They do reward people who don't smoke, control their type 2 diabetes and lose weight, etc.
truvelocity 1 year ago
you Americans had better start doing something, because its getting really fuken scary to live in your country, as for me i guess im next inline because canada will follow for sure
marvelstryfe 1 year ago
@marvelstryfe
This is the true nature of greed my friend.
All I can really do is pray and hope nothing bad happens and that some change will occur to where Obama puts his foot down and makes or break these insurance companies in doing good.
Mika20 1 year ago
@marvelstryfe Australia will follow on as well.
Desdownunda 1 year ago
Obama sucks. We have this to deal with and we're forced to buy from these fuckers.
DrOman5596 1 year ago
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DrOman5596 1 year ago
This corporatist shit will lead to a lot of suffering for everyone if they don't learn to curb their greed. There's only so much people are willing to be denied before they take it by force. And considering how health insurance works, the only way to do that is to take over the companies by force...
SabreKitteh 1 year ago
Oh, by the way, you do not have buy insurance under this mandate.
Just like with vaccines, the other thing most liberals will defend to the death, you can claim religious exemption.
Sometimes I'm very happy we still have powerful religious lobbies in this country.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot Religious exemption is bullshit.
Brianwulf 1 year ago
@Brianwulf
Too bad, it works, and a true liberal endorses it. We endorse individual freedom. If you don't endorse that, you're not a liberal, you're a conservative in sheep's clothing.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
This can't be. Conservatives have told me it doesn't work this way. And, apparently, liberals who supported this health care mandate believe the same thing.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@Scarpsad If you switch then it is very likely you now have Pre-Existing Conditions and won't be able to get health insurance.
Raizhen010 1 year ago
the State Insurance commissioners are meeting on Aug 17th and there are 20 consumer advocates there and 1000 corpoarte lobbyist there.. what do u think will happen ?
xadam2dudex 1 year ago
YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE, AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HAYLL!!!
BashirH 1 year ago
If the loan shark banker isn't bad enough, obamacare extortion should be enough to spark some kind of bloody revolution.
No public option, but everyone must buy healthcare now and the rate is worst then extortion with all the deny care cause of pre-existing condition. Man, your country is fudge up so bad.
The only thing that is preventing the arm rebellion right now is all the entertainment provided to the masses that keep their slaves in a mild content mindset.
zubawanga 1 year ago
HAZA the machines are taking over
gabej14 1 year ago
my family dose not even have health care :(
eatenhamhawk 1 year ago 2
whe ni hear that they dont care about hte ppl i think yeah of course they dont, but this person is specifically makin me down, i feel tremendous hate for these guys at blue cross, dont you guys down in teh states find it hard not to take a fuckin gun to these ppls heads? damn if canadians had to put up with the bullshit you guys do we would have a revolution.
crackerz99 1 year ago
This is why I LOVE being Canadian. Best of luck my American neighbors.
doublejoe69 1 year ago 44
@doublejoe69 Yeah, Canada is looking better and better.
Ardenwolfe 1 year ago
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@Ardenwolfe jess, i like it up here.
crackerz99 1 year ago
@doublejoe69 i hate you for being better than us
masterkayaki 1 year ago
This is a big reason why I love the movie Saw VI. I had never seen a Saw movie before, but once I heard that Saw VI was about giving health insurance bastards some of their own medicine, and what they should have coming to them, I HAD TO SEE IT. And, tell me, was it wrong for me to be smiling from ear to ear when those health care a-holes got their comeuppance? :D When, at the end, a health insurance chief got his innards turned out, a big, toothy grin was almost permanently stamped on my face!
DarthMakaveliSithMC 1 year ago
My advice to everyone is to eat raw fruits and vegetables only, don't smoke, exercise everyday, don't get cancer, and god forbid don't get in a car accident.
Good luck everyone.
whitebreadgirlfriend 1 year ago
@whitebreadgirlfriend My advice is to forget about living over 30, and just enjoy your life while you can.
EziekielNightwind 1 year ago
This is why Massachusetts is the best state.
Kirbynessness 1 year ago
@Scarpsad "Blue Cross try you're best "
your,not you're.
I do agree though. We had BCBS and it was HORRIBLE.
kokabeel 1 year ago
health care isn't a right it scares me when people always assume other wise
GodAthie 1 year ago
@GodAthie, people like you are what really scare me, Healthcare is needed to perserve life and prevent death, yet you say it isn't a right? there's a little girl right now who had to open a lemonade stand just to help pay for her cancer treatment and she has insurance, do you understand that without the treatment she could die? does she not have a RIGHT to life?
TheDalinkwent 1 year ago
Dalinkwent
healthcare isnt the ability to live
healthcare is a service and rights arn't services they are things we as human being have naturally ether from god or our intellect depending on your faith
Capitialism and healthcare can work together, but what we have now is far from true capitialism. no one cares bout the cost of a surgery if they aren't paying for it themselves. why should i get over the counter medicine when i can get a prescription for free? what if we had food insurance?
GodAthie 1 year ago
@GodAthie, Healthcare isn't the abilty to live? if you got cancer and needed 1 million dollars for treatment and your insurance company didn't cover it and you couldn't possibly afford it, then how would you get better and how would you live? if heathcare isn't the ability to live, then tell that to the 44,000 people who die every year due to lack of insurance which is needed to keep them alive.
TheDalinkwent 1 year ago
@TheDalinkwent
insurance is a risk... how big of a risk the person is willing to take is relflective on the amount of coverage that person has.
if i needed a 1 million dollar treatment and my insurance didnt cover it... its my fault i took the risk and lost... if i can't afford it why should other people be forced to live with the burden?
GodAthie 1 year ago
@GodAthie Took what risk? Sometimes, people get sick through no fault of their own. Other people are born with disabilities. I was born with a mild condition, thanks to being born prematurely. No health insurance company will touch me. I'm sorry, but our health care system is terrible. I cannot see a doctor, so if I get sick, I have to die. Maybe you don't know that that is like, but I live it every single day.
Raizhen010 1 year ago
@Raizhen010
thats why we need to fix the system but adding more government isn't the answer
GodAthie 1 year ago
@GodAthie So long as health insurance is for profit, nothing will change. Canada and many European countries have a Public Option or Single Payer system and their health care systems are superior to ours. Our Health Care reform just forces everyone to buy health insurance from companies who don't care about anything other than money. I have and will always support nationalizing the entire industry, as my life and the lives of my fellow Americans should not be for profit.
Raizhen010 1 year ago 28
@Raizhen010 same goes for cap and trade, we can't play with the envoirment.
KangaKucha 1 year ago
@GodAthie, If insurance is considered a risk, then it's far from INSURANCE!!!, and how is it your fault if the insurance company you have been paying for x amount of years, descides not to cover you when you actually need them? I can't believe your blaming victims of the insurance racket for there own demise.
TheDalinkwent 1 year ago
@GodAthie, BTW, American pays more in GDP for healthcare than any other place that provides heathcare for free, and we cover less people, what the heath insurance dick-riders fail to understand is that for profit healthcare was another big factor in our economy going down the drain, in places were heathcare is free, corporations don't have to worry about providing heathcare which allows for more growth and jobs.
TheDalinkwent 1 year ago 2
@GodAthie yeah oyu know what, fuck the poor, if they cant afford health care its their fault right, they can die of painful cancer. who gives a damn right? its not the jobs of the health insurance companies to provide coverage! thats lunancy! ...i hope you lose your job then get a serious ailment so you know what its like.
crackerz99 1 year ago
@crackerz99 SOoo true!! I'm with United healthcare, & it isn' any better!
tjpell68 1 year ago
@crackerz99
its not that i dont want people to have health care... i as a libertarian beileve its not the governments job to provide health care... and if government wouldn't tax as much private charities would proivide better services to the poor... like the recent charity on msnbc free clinics usa? not sure of the name... but more money would be available for programs like those
GodAthie 1 year ago
Health Insurance companies disgust me. How can you put a price on a person's health and life? What kind of disgusting country allows this?
EziekielNightwind 1 year ago
@EziekielNightwind That disgusting country is America. Land of the (nothing's for) Free. Home of the Wealthy and Corrupt.
For the longest time now, health insurance companies have been about profits, ridiculous amounts of wealth for its upper execs, and, worst of all, about DENYING claims. That's their default setting -- REJECT, DENY! Money is more important to them than anything else. See Saw VI for kicks. I highly recommend it.
DarthMakaveliSithMC 1 year ago 4
@DarthMakaveliSithMC I'm Canadian, so I'm lucky to not have to worry about health care insurance, and I've been following these health care "debates" in the US for a few years now, but I'm still disgusted.
Is it not a fundamental human right to have access to a doctor? How many people can never see a doctor because they can't afford it. Does this not mean that the US is breaking this human right?
Also, I live in Toronto, where all the Saw movies are made, just a random bit of trivia. =P
EziekielNightwind 1 year ago
@EziekielNightwind If you have no health insurance in the United States, hospitals are not required to treat you. They are only required to stabilize you, to the best of their ability, if you are in immediate danger of dying. If you are not dying, hospitals are legally allowed to kick you out. Yes, America's health care is beyond cruel. Conservatives have shaped health care as a priviledge and not a right in this country.
Raizhen010 1 year ago
@Raizhen010 Almost in violation of one of the UN's human right's laws, access to a doctor.
EziekielNightwind 1 year ago
@EziekielNightwind usa dude
geekforlifevandc 1 year ago
Give us single payer!
Phantom1thrd 1 year ago
Welcome to America. Where you life is valued ... by the dollar.
Lostfaith1980 1 year ago 21
@Lostfaith1980
we're all living in amerika amerika
where your life isn't valued at all....
Leadman1989 1 year ago