Lions vs buffaloes is an ongoing battle and buffaloes can also be pretty ruthless. They aren't always the defending party. I saw some videos with bulls killing baby lions, when their mothers weren't around.
Things like group sex, sharing partners, etc., are found in nature, but such behaviors among humans often cause suffering. Even if there is no god, it's wise to avoid those things which will cause you or others to suffer, or those things which flame desires, which often leads to suffering.
Could you direct me to the video with the lions being given what for? I've been trying to explain that morality is not a strictly human attribute to several people for a while now and I think that video would illustrate my point beautifully. Thanks! This is a wonderful series. *favorites*
The first five minutes of this video are just amazing. At first it just looks like a nasty wildlife program, but then the unbelievable happens. I've never seen anything like it. Eat your heart out David Attenborough!
I've only dreamt of things like this. I know the value and necessity of the balance in Nature, but i've always wondered why [if] these grazing beasts don't do this type of thing. Now i know that they do.
the idiot in your right speaker might be operating the camera, or at least that's impession iget. at least it's like 'being there'. these are the things i tell myself to tamp the urge to strangle.
Morality isn't applied uniformly in any human group. Humans display these behavior in more complexity than other species. Like he was saying with the scorpion example, it starts with a species that takes care of their offspring or doesn't eat other members of its group. Other species display varying degrees for social behaviors with humans being at the extreme end of the spectrum.
People tend to think of other animals as mere, stupid beasts. The rest of the lecture is about animal social behavior. Societies of animals exist because from a standpoint of evolution more offspring survive when animals work together.
"his 'expert' commentary on a nature video is full of blatant anthropomorphication and 'jokes' (according to you) which imply that morality is essentially learned and passed on, rather than evolved. At best, it's careless and misleading."
Morality is learned and passed on from parent to offspring and within a society to its members.
As to "anthropomorphication", the point is morality is not restricted to humans. Other animals may have less complex, social behavior, but it exists.
"Morality is learned and passed on from parent to offspring and within a society to its members."
Societies are by definition human social organizations. Buffalo do not have society.
What we consider moral behavior (such as sticking up for member's of your own herd) has it's origins in brain structure, we're hardwired with the capability, just like buffalo. The idea that buffalo have to *learn* this behavior is unsupportable, IMO.
I agree with you that some of the lecture could have been phrased better, especially the parts you quoted. But I disagree with your conclusion that he was speaking of learned behavior and morality in a Lamarckian sense.
The moral perspective of the buffalo vs lions video is very interesting. But what has always puzzled me in it is this question:
How did the buffalo CONVENE and DECIDE to join forces in one big battalion against the lions? How did they communicate with each other and agree on a course of action? Did something like communication really happen? To me, it doesn't look like they simply saw the calf in danger and charged against the lions. There seemed to be leaders among them, and concerted action.
A study on tigers has shown animals communicate with a succession of sound within a lower frequency then humans can hear. They placed a MIC near a dyeing cub (of natural causes beyond help). The tiger cub seamed to be making no noise however when the recording was studied a lot of sound was recorded below human hearing and when this was played to an adult tiger the tiger became very agitated.
part 2 they continued the research recording a tiger in a threatening poster (territorially) and again played it back a different reaction was noted and so on.
"pedantic focus on a sentence or 2 ignores the context"
It's that entire section, fucknut, and I take issue BECAUSE of the context of. In a science lecture about the EVOLUTION of morality, his 'expert' commentary on a nature video is full of blatant anthropomorphication and 'jokes' (according to you) which imply that morality is essentially learned and passed on, rather than evolved. At best, it's careless and misleading.
But apparently disagreeing with Aron (even as a fan) is heretical.
People only ever say they "believe" in things for their own gain no matter what context you try and put it in. Although i will say this...Anger will solve nothing! ;)
OK. The ability to learn is inate in some species. Humans babies have inherited the ability to learn to speak.
Parents pass down their mother tongues to their offspring. They are not born speaking it by Lamarckism. They are born with the genetic ability to learn language.
"Aside from the suggestion of Lamarckism, which is what I ORIGINALLY called extraordinary, it is ALSO extraordinary to claim buffalo learn behavior from lions."
Quote the minute and what Aron actually said that you think means that he stated buffalo learned behavior from lions. Quote where he said it buffalo behavior is passed down through Lamarckism.
If he truly is stating any of these things it should be a simple matter to quote it and back up your accusations.
Look can we just forget this paragraph bullshit or whatever you fags are going on about and just watch the damn video, all of you people piss me off just stop arguing about shit and gtfo
Mammals nurture and cooperate and thus their offspring have a greater chance of survival. Morality evolved in social animals out of necessity. Morality is necessary social behaviors for the preservation of a social species.
"Youre the fucking idiot mate. Base instinct is the fight or flight mechanism. If buffalo were more prone to the fight side of thet response then we would see this kind of video all the time dipshit. "
It is not as simple as fight or flight with mammals. That is the point of the talk. If it were it would be every buffalo for themselves and they wouldn't stand and fight together.
why is the one with the camera ALWAYS the one in the crowd that laughs the loudest and blurts out uninteresting comments way too loudly in an attempt to 'assist' the speaker? aaron is hard enough to hear without the camera guy throwing in his two cents......
@Melissa, More like close your mind since by accepting God and most religions most people close their mind and never question anything and become mindless drones.
He's not convinced God is real. He's a male troll pretending to be female lesbian bible thumper to try to piss people off.
If you feed trolls, they will always come back for more. He knows saying "I'm convinced God is real" will get responses. He's not trying to make a valid argument at all and he knows it.
I'm sorry, but the guy behind the camera needs to learn how to STFU. We came here to listen to AronRa's presentation not some guy trying to be a stand-up.
It's lucky for the lions that herds don't usually operate this way. Can't imagine that they'd be very successful if the buffalo knew about strength in numbers.
Agreed, but I still think there's a level of awesomeness to be displayed IN the fact that, while the buffalo -have- the lions between, well.. a 'croc and a hard place' (tee hee?) they aren't vengeful. They get their calf back, but i noticed, with some astoundment, that the herd seemed to have little to no interest in retribution. They got their calf back, and instead of trampling the offending lions to death, they merely chase them off.
Oh, I mentioned it as Battle of the Serengeti, before I realised it was Battle at Kruger. And since I can't edit my own posts, I'm stuck with the mistake.
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4:32 "The important lesson here is that sometimes even learned behaviors can be passed down."
Huh? That's an extraordinary claim, not supported by the buffalo video at all. First of all, what evidence is there that this behavior is learned? More importantly, but what mechanism do you claim that it's "passed down" in buffalo? That assertion, aside from being unsupportable, undercuts the thesis of the presentation.
Ok, have it your way. The behaviour of the buffalo was completely impromptu and random, rofl.
There was nothing outrageous here buddy, assertions maybe, but outrageous? no. The main point is that there was obvious behaviour displayed that we can recognise as a kind of primal morality, not sick as fuck "give your daughter to rapists" biblical morality, but morality non the less.
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"The behaviour of the buffalo was completely impromptu and random, rofl."
*rofl* indeed. Apparently you're so fucking stupid that the only alternative to "learned from the lions" you can come up with is "random". Heaven forbid any behavior actually have it's source in brain structure, such that it could be inherited and could therefor evolve. You know, like the thesis of this talk?
"assertions maybe, but outrageous?"
Completely outrageous coming from Aron. I expect better from him.
You assumption that behaviour is inherited in 'brain structure' is just as much an assertion as the one AR made, and is no more or less outrageous. Saying otherwise belies a bias on your part in the absence of evidence to support your position to any greater degree than all the evidence that shows behaviour in many species is taught to the young.
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"You assumption that behaviour is inherited in 'brain structure' is just as much an assertion as the one AR made"
No it's not, you ignorant fuck. It's modern neuroscience. There's a reason that a cat doesn't behave like a dog, and it's not because cats were raised by cats and dogs by dogs.
Youre a piss poor sceptic, you seem to be placing a lot of stock in neurology and declaring a winner in the very old 'nature/nurture' debate. I cant think of any other sceptic that wants to declare a winner in this topic and who tries to intimidate any other views with inflammatory language lol.
Now please calm down or ill have to tell your mom how you are behaving on the internet, if i can get her tits outa my mouth for long enough to do so...
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@Aspartame69 "I cant think of any other sceptic that wants to declare a winner in this topic"
Bwaahahaha! Again, please cite peer reviewed research that supports the hypothesis that learned behavior is transmitted through the genes. Put up or shut up, you belligerent retard.
"tries to intimidate any other views with inflammatory language [..] tell your mom how you are behaving on the internet, if i can get her tits outa my mouth for long enough to do so"
I have a simpler task for you, demonstrate that AR was assuming that learned behaviour is passed down through the genes rather than being passed down through mimicking and practising observed behaviour. Its pretty clear from the video that the buffalo had to overcome genetic/emotionally programmed behaviour to achieve the win, only you and a couple of other retards seem to miss that apparent fact.
Fail. Third time I've asked, third time you've failed. You're talking out of your ass.
"demonstrate that AR was assuming that learned behaviour is passed down through the genes"
The talk was about the EVOLUTION of intelligence. Unless you're claiming Buffalo have a learned CULTURE that evolves, he could only have meant genes. Learn to think, fucktard.
Correction: the talk was about the evolution of morality. I mistyped, in part because the evolution of intelligence and morality are so closely related.
Ah, posted above before reading this. You still missed the point of this whole debate and the context of the argument in the creationism vs. evolution debate where it would be fucking retarded to rule out sociological impact on behaviour since there is absolutely no reason to do so.
Ok, you are obviously a total fucking troll mate. The talk is about the evolution of MORALITY, or did you not even get as far as reading the title of the video series.
Again, for a self-professed sceptic, you are asigning a lot of arbitrary rules to how evolition works by ruling out the nurture part of the nurture/nature question lol. Such a joke.
"Its pretty clear from the video that the buffalo had to overcome genetic/emotionally programmed behaviour to achieve the win"
*rofl* No, that is NOT clear. In fact, the whole point is that their genetic behavior is to stick together, because animals that are prone to stick together and defend one another are more likely to survive, reproduce, and pass on that behavior.
Youre the fucking idiot mate. Base instinct is the fight or flight mechanism. If buffalo were more prone to the fight side of thet response then we would see this kind of video all the time dipshit. Fact is that they were on the edge of flight and in a very RARE move decided to stand up against their natural predator. The way you talk its like you think that buffalo always fight back because they are genetically inclined to do so, and you call me a fucking idiot haha
*rofl* Do you even know what a strawman is, you simpering halfwit? Where did I misrepresent your argument? You claimed the jury is still out on Lamarckism ("I cant think of any other sceptic that wants to declare a winner in this topc"), I asked you to back that up with ANY peer reviewed research, and now you're pretending you never said it. You're strawmanning YOURSELF, and you're too fucking stupid to realize it.
You misrepresented AR's argument when you said he claimed that learned behaviour is passed down by genes.
Just because you completely misunderstood what he was saying and also what the whole talk was about (as evidenced above), doesnt make it any less of a strawman.
If you cant see this then you are more of a troll than i originally feared.
"it would be fucking retarded to rule out sociological impact on behaviour"
Wait... no you're talking about buffalo "sociology"? Again, your either a bad troll or a drooling retard.
"Base instinct is the fight or flight mechanism."
*rofl* You're reiterating the simplistic Creatard view which Aron explicitly sets out to debunk; the point of this video is that many animals have social instincts which help perpetuate their genes more than fight or flight. Learn to think, fucknut.
Dude, you are hardly one for saying what this video is about, you spent half a dozen comments thinking it was about intelligence lol. Even now you realise it was about the function of what we recognise as morality in nature (amongst non-god fearing animals), you still think you are correct lol.
Man, you thought AR was saying that behaviour was passed down in the genes lol. Now you claim to be on AR's side by saying hes debunking what im saying. I dont think you have a clue what he is saying.
"you spent half a dozen comments thinking it was about intelligence"
I wrote 'intelligence' rather than 'morality' in ONE comment, and immediately corrected it. That you've managed to perceive shows that you're either borderline retarded, with the reading comprehension of a fucking donkey, or you're throwing out a red herring to distract from your failed arguments.
"THAT is not a typo, its clear evidence that you completely misinterpreted what AR was saying."
Talk about a straw man. You accusing me of thinking the discussion was about intelligence because of a single typo -- which you, because you're either stupid or dishonest, turned into "half a dozen". When I debunked this claim, you post something utterly unrelated. It's pathetic.
"The point is that your arguments make more sense in the context of evolution of intelligence..."
The evolution of morality is closely related to the evolution of intelligence, but that's not "the point". The point is that you lied about me using the word "inteligence" in "half a dozen" posts, because it was easier to attack a strawman than try to rescue your failed arguments.
"im asserting that you were arguing from the position of evolution of intelligence in many posts"
Which is clearly untrue, to anyone with 3rd grade reading level. Again, you cheerfully tore down a strawman because it was easier than addressing my actual position.
I addressed your actual position with a quote from your first post that exactly showed how you did say that learned behaviour in this case was an extraordinary claim.
The fact you ignored that post speaks volumes about your true intent here troll.
"cannot have behavior beyond their genetic programming" (i.e. learned behavior in ANY case)
"learned behaviour IN THIS CASE"
That you cannot tell the difference once again demonstrates what a fucking idiot you are. More importantly, I never even claimed that learned behavior IN THIS CASE was extraordinary (thought I believe it is); only the implication that this LEARNED behavior was passed on biologically. You're just made of fail.
Quote where AR said that this behaviour was passed down genetically. Until then you are just a tool who has to end ever sentence with an obscenity while at the same time claiming to be intelligent.
"Quote where AR said that this behaviour was passed down genetically"
He said (direct quote) "LEARNED BEHAVIOR CAN BE PASSED DOWN". LEARNED BEHAVIOR it is BY DEFINITION acquired BY LEARNING, so it tautological to say "learned behavior is passed down by learning". Given that (1) only morons speak in tautologies and (2) the talk was on the biological rather than supernatural origins of morality, the implications was that it was passed on biologically. Again, learn to think.
Aside from the suggestion of Lamarckism, which is what I ORIGINALLY called extraordinary, it is ALSO extraordinary to claim buffalo learn behavior from lions.
Some other posters defended Aron by saying that he was deliberately anthropomorphizing a bit, tongue-in-cheek, and to take it with a grain of salt. That's a reasonable defense. But not you! You've wholeheartedly defended the idea that a stupid bovine species learned it's social behavior by observing another species; i.e. you're an idiot.
Not at all, your original post was a statement that "The important lesson here is that sometimes even learned behaviors can be passed down." was an extraordinary claim. I just said it wasnt. You then said it was because its more likely due to genetics. I just say, not necessarily.
If you can show me where this implies i think buffalo learned anything from lions i would be impressed. Just because you keep calling me an idiot, doesnt negate your obvious projection.
So you are strawmanning me on the basis that because i defended one position of AR, that i must be up for defending them all, lol.
Also, on the actual topic i engaged you with, you know the sentence you quoted and said was outrageous (lol), outside your strawman, the behaviour here is RARE, the way you talk about it, its like buffalo attack lions all the time. Maybe in your dipshit world they do but not around here matey.
Bullshit. The written record says otherwise. You just keep putting your foot in your mouth. For instance:
"the behaviour here is RARE [.] Maybe in your dipshit world they do but not around here"
*rofl* The vets and animal behavior PhDs interviewed by Time for an article about this story said exactly the opposite: this behavior is "NOT UNUSUAL", though capturing such an epic confrontation film is. Stop talking out of your ass.
"The talk was about the EVOLUTION of intelligence. Unless you're claiming Buffalo have a learned CULTURE that evolves, he could only have meant genes. Learn to think, fucktard."
And just another example of your ignorance and complete misunderstanding of AR's point.
Also, i have no idea why buffalo 'culture' wouldnt evolve, unless you think their behaviour has been static since the world was created, you might say 6000 years ago judging by this statement and conceit.
"Now you claim to be on AR's side by saying hes debunking what im saying."
He EXPLICITLY rejected the Creatard view that mammal behavior should be (with out God) nothing more than fight or flight, and you -- in your desperate attempt to save face -- reiterate it. You're an idiot.
So did i, i said they learn and mimic and overcome their fight or flight mechanism. You were the one who said that they cannot have behaviour beyond their genetic programming, though i can see your backpedalling now.
Only more lies will save your face now, go right ahead.
As for learning, im not the one who conducted half his comments here with a misunderstanding as to what the topic was about. Learn to read before questioning anyone elses cognitions.
"you said he claimed that learned behaviour is passed down by genes"
Because there are no know epigenetic mechanisms for transmitting behavior other than (1) transmitting the essentially hardwired behavior via genes, or (2) transmitting the capacity and propensity to learn a given behavior. If you're suggesting that the grouping instincts of social animals is learned, that the reasons snakes are solitary and rabbits are not is because of snake *culture*, than you're a fucking moron.
Another strawman. I didnt say anything about rabbits or snakes.
Of your 2 mechanisms, you were the one that arbitrarily used the 1st one to judge what AR was saying. The 2nd one is the more obvious reason in this case. That buffalo have capacity to learn behaviour. That was my position, just usurping my position at this late stage after your complete failure to misunderstand the topic or even read the video title will not make you look any less like a dipshit fella.
Holy fuck you're slow. If you're going to claim that herding behavior of social animals is LEARNED, then you have to explain why snakes don't learn it.
"you were the one that arbitrarily used the 1st one to judge what AR was saying"
No, I didn't, you just can't read.
"That buffalo have capacity to learn behaviour."
All mammals have the capacity to learn behavior, you stupid twit.
But you said; "Unless you're claiming Buffalo have a learned CULTURE that evolves, he could only have meant genes. Learn to think, fucktard. "
...reffering to the AR comment "The important lesson here is that sometimes even learned behaviors can be passed down".
So now you accept that learned behaviour can be passed down by other mechanisms other than genes, ill consider this element of your education complete. Glad i could help buddy.
@gamesbok Lemme guess, you're a hetero guy?
Spocktacular96 5 months ago
No matter how many times I watch that video of the buffaloes vs lions, it always makes me feel the same. Can't help but smile.
mojosideburns 8 months ago
Lions vs buffaloes is an ongoing battle and buffaloes can also be pretty ruthless. They aren't always the defending party. I saw some videos with bulls killing baby lions, when their mothers weren't around.
Kuba022 9 months ago
Love between a woman and a woman is not a sin. It's not letting me watch that's a sin
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mandakiniization 1 year ago
Lol, and chimps are way more populous than Bonobos. TAKE THAT HIPPIES :D
qwertyzz7 1 year ago
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DreamsofMajesty 1 year ago
O_O HOLY SHIT!!! Why ...OH WHY wasnt this on the Discovery Channel???? This is pure motherfkng GOLD
DisforDubby 1 year ago
Things like group sex, sharing partners, etc., are found in nature, but such behaviors among humans often cause suffering. Even if there is no god, it's wise to avoid those things which will cause you or others to suffer, or those things which flame desires, which often leads to suffering.
AgnosticGnostic 1 year ago
@AgnosticGnostic If one takes precautions then group sex isn't causing suffering.
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
Could you direct me to the video with the lions being given what for? I've been trying to explain that morality is not a strictly human attribute to several people for a while now and I think that video would illustrate my point beautifully. Thanks! This is a wonderful series. *favorites*
Azurerosa 1 year ago 2
@Azurerosa The original video of the lions vs buffalo is called 'Battle at Kruger".
AronRa 1 year ago 2
Whats with this loudmouth idiot next to the camera. He speaks up like hes about to take over the presentation/lecture. Absolutely no self-awareness
InSaneTK 1 year ago 5
At 05:08 (the Superman pic) what are you saying? " [something]men no morals at all"... Cavemen? Apemen? A-men? Can anyone make this out?
queenastilon 1 year ago
@queenastilon That was a reference to "gay" men.
AronRa 1 year ago
VERY insightful. Thank you for this presentation. It kinda shows us that we, humans ARE in fact animals. :D
Ecite 1 year ago
2:30 WOW!
Ahem, tear in the eye.
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
google Doe's Account, its insane.
twarks144 1 year ago
damn i hate the comentater :(
oneko001 1 year ago
agreed. Wish that guy would keep it to himself...with his annoying laugh and lame comments. Thanks for filming though, dork.
golnectr 1 year ago
that IDIOT laughing so loudly is annoying.
ExMuslimAli 1 year ago
Fantastic presentation!
MrPoopybum 1 year ago
Somehow I always knew it would come to lesbian whiptails...
mmmmmarcus 1 year ago 15
The first five minutes of this video are just amazing. At first it just looks like a nasty wildlife program, but then the unbelievable happens. I've never seen anything like it. Eat your heart out David Attenborough!
I've only dreamt of things like this. I know the value and necessity of the balance in Nature, but i've always wondered why [if] these grazing beasts don't do this type of thing. Now i know that they do.
Thanks for the post and lesson Aron.
antag0nismo 1 year ago
That calf was a piece of cake. A piece of crumb cake.
poorkinghaggard 1 year ago
the cake is a lie..
mmmmmarcus 1 year ago
Its like, if I dont move, they might not see me. They are no T-rex. Great vid.
LozTheAtheist 1 year ago
This presentation would be immensely better without the input of that loud idiot in my right speaker.
Why is it that these people always find themselves in theaters, lectures, and what not?
ProfessorPEARL 1 year ago 30
@ProfessorPEARL
the idiot in your right speaker might be operating the camera, or at least that's impession iget. at least it's like 'being there'. these are the things i tell myself to tamp the urge to strangle.
burnhippiesforfuel 1 year ago
I am sorry for just now watching these videos, but I believe I am required now to say...
YAY FOR LESBIAN LIZARDS!!!
tynkified 1 year ago 4
1:48 Lions win! :D
Vehementi 1 year ago
@Vehementi
umm... finish the clip dude
Reasonist 1 year ago
I was that one guy would stop thinking he's really funny speaking out really loud on a presentation.
TwistHelix 1 year ago
Yup, annoyin as fuck...
leonrenege 1 year ago
Morality isn't applied uniformly in any human group. Humans display these behavior in more complexity than other species. Like he was saying with the scorpion example, it starts with a species that takes care of their offspring or doesn't eat other members of its group. Other species display varying degrees for social behaviors with humans being at the extreme end of the spectrum.
Social sciences are not as simple to quantify.
LilandraX 1 year ago
Yay for parthenogenesis! Would I be super-conceited to think that I played some small roll in you including that? :)
kirke420 1 year ago
Concerning the lesbian lizards (which where quite interesting BTW):
The old testament doesn't actually say anything about lesbian sex, only man on man sex (not male homosexuality, just male homosexual sex).
The new testament does mention lesbian (and gay) sex, in one place though, but apparently Judaism is okay with lesbian sex.
Quite amusing.
ZarlanTheGreen 1 year ago
People tend to think of other animals as mere, stupid beasts. The rest of the lecture is about animal social behavior. Societies of animals exist because from a standpoint of evolution more offspring survive when animals work together.
LilandraX 1 year ago
"his 'expert' commentary on a nature video is full of blatant anthropomorphication and 'jokes' (according to you) which imply that morality is essentially learned and passed on, rather than evolved. At best, it's careless and misleading."
Morality is learned and passed on from parent to offspring and within a society to its members.
As to "anthropomorphication", the point is morality is not restricted to humans. Other animals may have less complex, social behavior, but it exists.
LilandraX 1 year ago
"Morality is learned and passed on from parent to offspring and within a society to its members."
Societies are by definition human social organizations. Buffalo do not have society.
What we consider moral behavior (such as sticking up for member's of your own herd) has it's origins in brain structure, we're hardwired with the capability, just like buffalo. The idea that buffalo have to *learn* this behavior is unsupportable, IMO.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
I agree with you that some of the lecture could have been phrased better, especially the parts you quoted. But I disagree with your conclusion that he was speaking of learned behavior and morality in a Lamarckian sense.
LilandraX 1 year ago
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LilandraX 1 year ago
"It's that entire section, fucknut, and I take issue BECAUSE of the context of. In a science lecture about the EVOLUTION of morality,"
Don't hate appreciate.
LilandraX 1 year ago
aronra and his stories :P
dunndudebemelol 1 year ago
haha... communal collective... commune... sort of thing..
Geebsee 1 year ago
you are awesome!
fathermoelest 1 year ago
Oooh good one. there is one unnamed voice on the video that I would like to edit out, but very interesting, anyway. :)
AtheistdotEDU 1 year ago 3
the spirit is in all beings man or animal darwin was a fool
gzyyy6 1 year ago
@gzyyy6
lmao....
ps- im laughing AT u...
Sciborg09 1 year ago
I hope the spirit likes burritos, then, cause that's what it's getting.
Elitistb616 1 year ago
fgt, straight up fgt
CrunkRockSteadyEvan 1 year ago
Excellent video. Never thought of the Battle at Kruger(?) in that way before. The conception of natural morality caught on video. Astounding.
FreeInquisition 1 year ago
The moral perspective of the buffalo vs lions video is very interesting. But what has always puzzled me in it is this question:
How did the buffalo CONVENE and DECIDE to join forces in one big battalion against the lions? How did they communicate with each other and agree on a course of action? Did something like communication really happen? To me, it doesn't look like they simply saw the calf in danger and charged against the lions. There seemed to be leaders among them, and concerted action.
DoctorPlausible 1 year ago
A study on tigers has shown animals communicate with a succession of sound within a lower frequency then humans can hear. They placed a MIC near a dyeing cub (of natural causes beyond help). The tiger cub seamed to be making no noise however when the recording was studied a lot of sound was recorded below human hearing and when this was played to an adult tiger the tiger became very agitated.
darkblood626 1 year ago
part 2 they continued the research recording a tiger in a threatening poster (territorially) and again played it back a different reaction was noted and so on.
darkblood626 1 year ago
Those lions got owned.
mostliberal 1 year ago
1:50 "These lions realized that working together they can beat the crocodile, but they also PASSED THE LESSON TO THE NEXT ANIMAL OVER."
"Now piss off, I'm not talking to you. "
At least you watched the video. A lot of the people who spew venom on this forum don't bother to do that.
However, your pedantic focus on a sentence or 2 ignores the context of the lecture. Here is a hint: he was joking.
None of this is about Lamarckism despite your obnoxious insistence otherwise.
LilandraX 1 year ago
"pedantic focus on a sentence or 2 ignores the context"
It's that entire section, fucknut, and I take issue BECAUSE of the context of. In a science lecture about the EVOLUTION of morality, his 'expert' commentary on a nature video is full of blatant anthropomorphication and 'jokes' (according to you) which imply that morality is essentially learned and passed on, rather than evolved. At best, it's careless and misleading.
But apparently disagreeing with Aron (even as a fan) is heretical.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
People only ever say they "believe" in things for their own gain no matter what context you try and put it in. Although i will say this...Anger will solve nothing! ;)
f1ax 1 year ago
Ah, I see. "Learned behavior can be passed down"
OK. The ability to learn is inate in some species. Humans babies have inherited the ability to learn to speak.
Parents pass down their mother tongues to their offspring. They are not born speaking it by Lamarckism. They are born with the genetic ability to learn language.
LilandraX 1 year ago
"Aside from the suggestion of Lamarckism, which is what I ORIGINALLY called extraordinary, it is ALSO extraordinary to claim buffalo learn behavior from lions."
Quote the minute and what Aron actually said that you think means that he stated buffalo learned behavior from lions. Quote where he said it buffalo behavior is passed down through Lamarckism.
If he truly is stating any of these things it should be a simple matter to quote it and back up your accusations.
LilandraX 1 year ago
"Quote the minute and what Aron actually said that you think means that he stated buffalo learned behavior from lions."
1:50 "These lions realized that working together they can beat the crocodile, but they also PASSED THE LESSON TO THE NEXT ANIMAL OVER."
Now piss off, I'm not talking to you.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
Look can we just forget this paragraph bullshit or whatever you fags are going on about and just watch the damn video, all of you people piss me off just stop arguing about shit and gtfo
DarkForgottenUchiha 1 year ago
Does this video play jerky for anyone else, is it just me? It's driving me crazy.
michaelcthulhu 1 year ago
very interesting
mythinktube 1 year ago
Battle at Kruger is one of my favorite videos
five stars
TheJamesPope 1 year ago
Mammals nurture and cooperate and thus their offspring have a greater chance of survival. Morality evolved in social animals out of necessity. Morality is necessary social behaviors for the preservation of a social species.
LilandraX 1 year ago
"Youre the fucking idiot mate. Base instinct is the fight or flight mechanism. If buffalo were more prone to the fight side of thet response then we would see this kind of video all the time dipshit. "
It is not as simple as fight or flight with mammals. That is the point of the talk. If it were it would be every buffalo for themselves and they wouldn't stand and fight together.
LilandraX 1 year ago
why is the one with the camera ALWAYS the one in the crowd that laughs the loudest and blurts out uninteresting comments way too loudly in an attempt to 'assist' the speaker? aaron is hard enough to hear without the camera guy throwing in his two cents......
randypagan 1 year ago
because he is the closest to the mic on the camera.
hobbitsarecool 1 year ago 3
These are great.
DeepSpaceStoner 1 year ago
Guido Sarducci, aka Laszlo Toth!!! I love it!
AlanCFA 1 year ago
Great speech.
TheNorthFuck 1 year ago
is the it the camera operator who can't shut his fucking mouth? i think it is.
please try to be be quiet when operating a camera!
RottingintheMidwest 1 year ago
@jereksgospel
Seriously, go fuck yourself you little pig.
Its obvious you have no girlfriend because you are a pompous piece of shit asshole.
MelissaLovesYou44 1 year ago
@MelissaLovesYou44
Maybe he being gay is a more determining factor. Just my 2 cents...
megachepo 1 year ago
0o....God made lesbian lizards??!!
chuckfaststrat 1 year ago
That is an AWESOME video! Thanks!
NeedsEvidence 1 year ago
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This video was a huge waste of my time.
GOD IS REAL PEOPLE!!!
Open your minds!!!
MelissaLovesYou44 1 year ago
OH THE IRONY!!!!
listen to yourself and take your own advice!
ThePassiveFist 1 year ago
"GOD IS REAL PEOPLE!!!"
If he's real, he hates you, says you're an "abomination", and will gladly lock you in a torture chamber for eternity.
If you're going to believe in the Bible, you might try reading it some day.
SckPppt2 1 year ago 3
Can you provide objectifiable evidence for your claim, Melissa? Study some science:-)
NeedsEvidence 1 year ago
@Melissa, More like close your mind since by accepting God and most religions most people close their mind and never question anything and become mindless drones.
Alimistar 1 year ago 3
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I have questioned everything and Im convinced God is real.
MelissaLovesYou44 1 year ago
Well can you do us a favor then, tell him to tell the priests to keep their hands off the altar boys.
Alimistar 1 year ago 2
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hahaha, very funny.
I guess that is the sick mentality of atheists.
MelissaLovesYou44 1 year ago
@MelissaLovesYou44 I thought the objective was to just take it on trust? Questioning is generally frowned upon.
ProphetTenebrae 1 year ago
Hahaha You clearly ignored the answers then.
jereksgospel 1 year ago
It is a huge waste of anyones time who is too stupid or unwilling to understand it. troll elsewhere creatard
jereksgospel 1 year ago
"Troll"?
"Creatard"?
Do you talk to all of your girlfriends like that?
MelissaLovesYou44 1 year ago
I don't do girls, especially fake lesbians who do it for boy attention.
jereksgospel 1 year ago
@MelissaLovesYou44
haha. You used that same line on me. If she acted like you are, as a matter of fact, I would talk to my girlfriends like that.
Besides, you know very well you are a little boy acting like a lesbian fundie. Don't you have better things to do?
Ripley747 1 year ago
@MelissaLovesYou44
"Im convinced God is real. "
So what. Some people are convinced they are being targeted by alien energy beams. Should we believe them?
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago 5
@MomoTheBellyDancer
He's not convinced God is real. He's a male troll pretending to be female lesbian bible thumper to try to piss people off.
If you feed trolls, they will always come back for more. He knows saying "I'm convinced God is real" will get responses. He's not trying to make a valid argument at all and he knows it.
Leave him be and hoepfully he'll move on.
Ripley747 1 year ago
those cats are pussies - oh wait :p
naughtypagan72 1 year ago
omg proof god likes lesbians!!!
ManlySlut 1 year ago 4
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"omg proof god likes lesbians!!! "
Heck, I feel so privileged.
MomoTheBellyDancer 1 year ago
★★★★★
Katalyzt 1 year ago
I'm sorry, but the guy behind the camera needs to learn how to STFU. We came here to listen to AronRa's presentation not some guy trying to be a stand-up.
ChiefRepublic 1 year ago 7
Agreed. The camera man isn't suppose to make noise.
jrogers427 1 year ago 3
Lesbian lizards...that's some hot stuff right there
villeppi 1 year ago
Ah yes, the Battle of the Serengeti. Best amateur natural video of the decade.
DoggySpew 1 year ago
The Battle at Kruger portion of the vid demonstrates a key drawback in herd behavior: The Bystander Effect.
They have the lions thoroughly outgunned, yet they are still individually hesitant to act at first.
AlmightyAtheismo 1 year ago
It's lucky for the lions that herds don't usually operate this way. Can't imagine that they'd be very successful if the buffalo knew about strength in numbers.
AbbeyNormal 1 year ago
@Almightyatheismo
Agreed, but I still think there's a level of awesomeness to be displayed IN the fact that, while the buffalo -have- the lions between, well.. a 'croc and a hard place' (tee hee?) they aren't vengeful. They get their calf back, but i noticed, with some astoundment, that the herd seemed to have little to no interest in retribution. They got their calf back, and instead of trampling the offending lions to death, they merely chase them off.
That's just cool
XeliosX 1 year ago
the name of the video is Battle at Kruger
search for it on youtube is you want to see the full version
zikzell 1 year ago
@zikzell
I hate the not having a edit button part of Youtube.
DoggySpew 1 year ago
why do you say that? =O
zikzell 1 year ago
Oh, I mentioned it as Battle of the Serengeti, before I realised it was Battle at Kruger. And since I can't edit my own posts, I'm stuck with the mistake.
DoggySpew 1 year ago
Holy shit ! This is a poster-scene for the issue ! Thanks a lot, Aron. I hadn't seen this before. Would have passed by me if you hadn't shown this.
V0r4xiz 1 year ago
Don't *ever* mess with water buffalo - they're one of the most dangerous large animals in the bush
ReeallityBytes 1 year ago 2
I thought bonobos were our closest relative.
ThePeacefulAtheist 1 year ago
No. That would be GEERUP.
No. Wait....
ravenslaves 1 year ago
I wonder if the calf survived.. they must of done some pretty terminal damage to it.
DragonRomer 1 year ago
Where's part 5?
scr4pp7 1 year ago
there's always that one loudmouth in the crowd that just needs to stfu, probably the jerkoff holding the camera
m00ph00 1 year ago 12
I can't really decide what side I'm on, the poor calf and his herd, or the starving lions. I feel sorry for both.
ekhaat 1 year ago
What about the starving alligator?
UberLogic 1 year ago
Yeah, him too
ekhaat 1 year ago
amazing hey!
lexmurphy 1 year ago
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4:32 "The important lesson here is that sometimes even learned behaviors can be passed down."
Huh? That's an extraordinary claim, not supported by the buffalo video at all. First of all, what evidence is there that this behavior is learned? More importantly, but what mechanism do you claim that it's "passed down" in buffalo? That assertion, aside from being unsupportable, undercuts the thesis of the presentation.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
You are kidding right?
Hunting techniques are passed down to offspring as well in various species, it's not a far-fetched statement.
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"Hunting techniques are passed down to offspring as well in various species, it's not a far-fetched statement."
Source, or STFU.
More importantly, Aron's outrageous assertion was that the Kruger video demonstrates the buffalo learning social behavior by watching the lions.
1:55 "They passed the lesson to the next animal over." *rofl* That whole section is full of shameless anthropomorphism.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
Ok, have it your way. The behaviour of the buffalo was completely impromptu and random, rofl.
There was nothing outrageous here buddy, assertions maybe, but outrageous? no. The main point is that there was obvious behaviour displayed that we can recognise as a kind of primal morality, not sick as fuck "give your daughter to rapists" biblical morality, but morality non the less.
Aspartame69 1 year ago 2
@Aspartame69 i love you.
SuuuperSnake 1 year ago
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"The behaviour of the buffalo was completely impromptu and random, rofl."
*rofl* indeed. Apparently you're so fucking stupid that the only alternative to "learned from the lions" you can come up with is "random". Heaven forbid any behavior actually have it's source in brain structure, such that it could be inherited and could therefor evolve. You know, like the thesis of this talk?
"assertions maybe, but outrageous?"
Completely outrageous coming from Aron. I expect better from him.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
You assumption that behaviour is inherited in 'brain structure' is just as much an assertion as the one AR made, and is no more or less outrageous. Saying otherwise belies a bias on your part in the absence of evidence to support your position to any greater degree than all the evidence that shows behaviour in many species is taught to the young.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
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"You assumption that behaviour is inherited in 'brain structure' is just as much an assertion as the one AR made"
No it's not, you ignorant fuck. It's modern neuroscience. There's a reason that a cat doesn't behave like a dog, and it's not because cats were raised by cats and dogs by dogs.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
Youre a piss poor sceptic, you seem to be placing a lot of stock in neurology and declaring a winner in the very old 'nature/nurture' debate. I cant think of any other sceptic that wants to declare a winner in this topic and who tries to intimidate any other views with inflammatory language lol.
Now please calm down or ill have to tell your mom how you are behaving on the internet, if i can get her tits outa my mouth for long enough to do so...
Aspartame69 1 year ago
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@Aspartame69 "I cant think of any other sceptic that wants to declare a winner in this topic"
Bwaahahaha! Again, please cite peer reviewed research that supports the hypothesis that learned behavior is transmitted through the genes. Put up or shut up, you belligerent retard.
"tries to intimidate any other views with inflammatory language [..] tell your mom how you are behaving on the internet, if i can get her tits outa my mouth for long enough to do so"
Hypocritical douchebag.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
I have a simpler task for you, demonstrate that AR was assuming that learned behaviour is passed down through the genes rather than being passed down through mimicking and practising observed behaviour. Its pretty clear from the video that the buffalo had to overcome genetic/emotionally programmed behaviour to achieve the win, only you and a couple of other retards seem to miss that apparent fact.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"I have a simpler task for you"
Fail. Third time I've asked, third time you've failed. You're talking out of your ass.
"demonstrate that AR was assuming that learned behaviour is passed down through the genes"
The talk was about the EVOLUTION of intelligence. Unless you're claiming Buffalo have a learned CULTURE that evolves, he could only have meant genes. Learn to think, fucktard.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
Correction: the talk was about the evolution of morality. I mistyped, in part because the evolution of intelligence and morality are so closely related.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
Ah, posted above before reading this. You still missed the point of this whole debate and the context of the argument in the creationism vs. evolution debate where it would be fucking retarded to rule out sociological impact on behaviour since there is absolutely no reason to do so.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
Ok, you are obviously a total fucking troll mate. The talk is about the evolution of MORALITY, or did you not even get as far as reading the title of the video series.
Again, for a self-professed sceptic, you are asigning a lot of arbitrary rules to how evolition works by ruling out the nurture part of the nurture/nature question lol. Such a joke.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"Its pretty clear from the video that the buffalo had to overcome genetic/emotionally programmed behaviour to achieve the win"
*rofl* No, that is NOT clear. In fact, the whole point is that their genetic behavior is to stick together, because animals that are prone to stick together and defend one another are more likely to survive, reproduce, and pass on that behavior.
Again, you're a fucking idiot.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
Youre the fucking idiot mate. Base instinct is the fight or flight mechanism. If buffalo were more prone to the fight side of thet response then we would see this kind of video all the time dipshit. Fact is that they were on the edge of flight and in a very RARE move decided to stand up against their natural predator. The way you talk its like you think that buffalo always fight back because they are genetically inclined to do so, and you call me a fucking idiot haha
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"please cite peer reviewed research that supports the hypothesis that learned behavior is transmitted through the genes"
Strawmanning spastic dog breathed cock bite.
Hey, i know why you throw abuse now, it made me feel like a real man :)
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"Strawmanning spastic dog breathed cock bite"
*rofl* Do you even know what a strawman is, you simpering halfwit? Where did I misrepresent your argument? You claimed the jury is still out on Lamarckism ("I cant think of any other sceptic that wants to declare a winner in this topc"), I asked you to back that up with ANY peer reviewed research, and now you're pretending you never said it. You're strawmanning YOURSELF, and you're too fucking stupid to realize it.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
You misrepresented AR's argument when you said he claimed that learned behaviour is passed down by genes.
Just because you completely misunderstood what he was saying and also what the whole talk was about (as evidenced above), doesnt make it any less of a strawman.
If you cant see this then you are more of a troll than i originally feared.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"it would be fucking retarded to rule out sociological impact on behaviour"
Wait... no you're talking about buffalo "sociology"? Again, your either a bad troll or a drooling retard.
"Base instinct is the fight or flight mechanism."
*rofl* You're reiterating the simplistic Creatard view which Aron explicitly sets out to debunk; the point of this video is that many animals have social instincts which help perpetuate their genes more than fight or flight. Learn to think, fucknut.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
Dude, you are hardly one for saying what this video is about, you spent half a dozen comments thinking it was about intelligence lol. Even now you realise it was about the function of what we recognise as morality in nature (amongst non-god fearing animals), you still think you are correct lol.
Man, you thought AR was saying that behaviour was passed down in the genes lol. Now you claim to be on AR's side by saying hes debunking what im saying. I dont think you have a clue what he is saying.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"you spent half a dozen comments thinking it was about intelligence"
I wrote 'intelligence' rather than 'morality' in ONE comment, and immediately corrected it. That you've managed to perceive shows that you're either borderline retarded, with the reading comprehension of a fucking donkey, or you're throwing out a red herring to distract from your failed arguments.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
"please cite peer reviewed research that supports the hypothesis that learned behavior is transmitted through the genes."
THAT is not a typo, its clear evidence that you completely misinterpreted what AR was saying.
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"THAT is not a typo, its clear evidence that you completely misinterpreted what AR was saying."
Talk about a straw man. You accusing me of thinking the discussion was about intelligence because of a single typo -- which you, because you're either stupid or dishonest, turned into "half a dozen". When I debunked this claim, you post something utterly unrelated. It's pathetic.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
The point is that your arguments make more sense in the context of evolution of intelligence...
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"The point is that your arguments make more sense in the context of evolution of intelligence..."
The evolution of morality is closely related to the evolution of intelligence, but that's not "the point". The point is that you lied about me using the word "inteligence" in "half a dozen" posts, because it was easier to attack a strawman than try to rescue your failed arguments.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
No, im asserting that you were arguing from the position of evolution of intelligence in many posts, not that i said you typed it in many. dude.
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ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
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"im asserting that you were arguing from the position of evolution of intelligence in many posts"
Which is clearly untrue, to anyone with 3rd grade reading level. Again, you cheerfully tore down a strawman because it was easier than addressing my actual position.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
I addressed your actual position with a quote from your first post that exactly showed how you did say that learned behaviour in this case was an extraordinary claim.
The fact you ignored that post speaks volumes about your true intent here troll.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"cannot have behavior beyond their genetic programming" (i.e. learned behavior in ANY case)
"learned behaviour IN THIS CASE"
That you cannot tell the difference once again demonstrates what a fucking idiot you are. More importantly, I never even claimed that learned behavior IN THIS CASE was extraordinary (thought I believe it is); only the implication that this LEARNED behavior was passed on biologically. You're just made of fail.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
Quote where AR said that this behaviour was passed down genetically. Until then you are just a tool who has to end ever sentence with an obscenity while at the same time claiming to be intelligent.
Go strawman somewhere else fella.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"Quote where AR said that this behaviour was passed down genetically"
He said (direct quote) "LEARNED BEHAVIOR CAN BE PASSED DOWN". LEARNED BEHAVIOR it is BY DEFINITION acquired BY LEARNING, so it tautological to say "learned behavior is passed down by learning". Given that (1) only morons speak in tautologies and (2) the talk was on the biological rather than supernatural origins of morality, the implications was that it was passed on biologically. Again, learn to think.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
What a croc of shit.
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"What a croc of shit."
Brilliant response.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
Aside from the suggestion of Lamarckism, which is what I ORIGINALLY called extraordinary, it is ALSO extraordinary to claim buffalo learn behavior from lions.
Some other posters defended Aron by saying that he was deliberately anthropomorphizing a bit, tongue-in-cheek, and to take it with a grain of salt. That's a reasonable defense. But not you! You've wholeheartedly defended the idea that a stupid bovine species learned it's social behavior by observing another species; i.e. you're an idiot.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
Not at all, your original post was a statement that "The important lesson here is that sometimes even learned behaviors can be passed down." was an extraordinary claim. I just said it wasnt. You then said it was because its more likely due to genetics. I just say, not necessarily.
If you can show me where this implies i think buffalo learned anything from lions i would be impressed. Just because you keep calling me an idiot, doesnt negate your obvious projection.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"You then said it was because its more likely due to genetics. I just say, not necessarily."
Because you're laughably ignorant, and generally stupid. Social animals don't LEARN to seek comfort in numbers, it's a hardwired survival adaptation.
"show me where this implies i think buffalo learned anything from lions"
Aron said it, and you've been vehemently defending him ever since I called his assertion outrageous. Make up your fucking mind.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
So you are strawmanning me on the basis that because i defended one position of AR, that i must be up for defending them all, lol.
Also, on the actual topic i engaged you with, you know the sentence you quoted and said was outrageous (lol), outside your strawman, the behaviour here is RARE, the way you talk about it, its like buffalo attack lions all the time. Maybe in your dipshit world they do but not around here matey.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"i defended one position of AR"
Bullshit. The written record says otherwise. You just keep putting your foot in your mouth. For instance:
"the behaviour here is RARE [.] Maybe in your dipshit world they do but not around here"
*rofl* The vets and animal behavior PhDs interviewed by Time for an article about this story said exactly the opposite: this behavior is "NOT UNUSUAL", though capturing such an epic confrontation film is. Stop talking out of your ass.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
Rare in comparison to the alternative which would be to let the predator have the prey.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
u mad
TheCritRocket 1 year ago
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"The talk was about the EVOLUTION of intelligence. Unless you're claiming Buffalo have a learned CULTURE that evolves, he could only have meant genes. Learn to think, fucktard."
And just another example of your ignorance and complete misunderstanding of AR's point.
Also, i have no idea why buffalo 'culture' wouldnt evolve, unless you think their behaviour has been static since the world was created, you might say 6000 years ago judging by this statement and conceit.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"Now you claim to be on AR's side by saying hes debunking what im saying."
He EXPLICITLY rejected the Creatard view that mammal behavior should be (with out God) nothing more than fight or flight, and you -- in your desperate attempt to save face -- reiterate it. You're an idiot.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
So did i, i said they learn and mimic and overcome their fight or flight mechanism. You were the one who said that they cannot have behaviour beyond their genetic programming, though i can see your backpedalling now.
Only more lies will save your face now, go right ahead.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"i said they learn and mimic and overcome their fight or flight mechanism"
Again, talking out of your ass. Herding behavior in social animals is every bit as instinctual as fight or flight.
"You were the one who said that they cannot have behaviour beyond their genetic
programming"
I sure as fuck didn't.
"lies will save your face now"
*rofl* Provide a quote where I say buffalo "cannot have behaviour beyond their genetic programming". You either lied, or failed at reading.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
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"Unless you're claiming Buffalo have a learned CULTURE that evolves, he could only have meant genes. Learn to think, fucktard. "
Aspartame69 1 year ago
As for learning, im not the one who conducted half his comments here with a misunderstanding as to what the topic was about. Learn to read before questioning anyone elses cognitions.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"you said he claimed that learned behaviour is passed down by genes"
Because there are no know epigenetic mechanisms for transmitting behavior other than (1) transmitting the essentially hardwired behavior via genes, or (2) transmitting the capacity and propensity to learn a given behavior. If you're suggesting that the grouping instincts of social animals is learned, that the reasons snakes are solitary and rabbits are not is because of snake *culture*, than you're a fucking moron.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
Another strawman. I didnt say anything about rabbits or snakes.
Of your 2 mechanisms, you were the one that arbitrarily used the 1st one to judge what AR was saying. The 2nd one is the more obvious reason in this case. That buffalo have capacity to learn behaviour. That was my position, just usurping my position at this late stage after your complete failure to misunderstand the topic or even read the video title will not make you look any less like a dipshit fella.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
"I didnt say anything about rabbits or snakes"
Holy fuck you're slow. If you're going to claim that herding behavior of social animals is LEARNED, then you have to explain why snakes don't learn it.
"you were the one that arbitrarily used the 1st one to judge what AR was saying"
No, I didn't, you just can't read.
"That buffalo have capacity to learn behaviour."
All mammals have the capacity to learn behavior, you stupid twit.
ReductioAdAbsurdum 1 year ago
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But you said; "Unless you're claiming Buffalo have a learned CULTURE that evolves, he could only have meant genes. Learn to think, fucktard. "
...reffering to the AR comment "The important lesson here is that sometimes even learned behaviors can be passed down".
So now you accept that learned behaviour can be passed down by other mechanisms other than genes, ill consider this element of your education complete. Glad i could help buddy.
Aspartame69 1 year ago
Ok then dude, now you have dug your hole. Defend your original post lol.
Aspartame69 1 year ago