Gruberova in Finale of ROBERTO DEVEREUX - Vienna State Opera

[muzhelozhstvo007]

she sucks!!! This comes from a profedssional coach and singer!!!!

[BEVER29]

Bien sur il y a ceux qui s'abritent volontier derrière le "bon goût" et fustigent ce trash, cette "marginalité" d'approche. Une perception "idéaliste" du chant romantique italien se refuse à lui concéder sa part de "mauvais goût" et, par suite, à admettre qu'une artiste en assume l'expression. Le belcanto, fut il romantique, n'est jamais plus lui même qu' individualisé; "tripaille à l'air" incluse!

[panpypoo]

i movimenti delle " braccia". scusate.

[panpypoo]

ma i movimenti della signora Gruberova è giusto che sia così o aveva qualche difficoltà con l'abbigliamento oppure con la salute o ...non capisco. una diva come lei perché mai canta così curvata indietro? ciò è...inclinata indietro come se avesse gran mal di schiena e fosse bloccata così. ma non solo la postura,anche i movimenti delle bracce. tra l'altro questo non è unico filmato dove noto questa tendenza. qualcuno sa qualcosa del riguardo?

[avalokiteshivara]

É realmente incrivel a habilidade de Edita Gruberova se caracterizar, uma grande soprano de coloratura, mas alêm disto uma grande atriz!

[Lucar70]

Insentibile. Lo stile è pessimo e pessima è vocalmente.

Quando non si ha idea di come si canta un ruolo è meglio non cantarlo.

Troppo pretende la Sig. ra Gruberova da se stessa.

[Lucar70]

Insentibile. Lo stile è pessimo e pessima è vocalmente.

Quando non si ha idea di come si canta un ruolo è meglio non cantarlo.

Troppo pretende la Sig. ra Gruberova da se stessa.

[OPERA3000management]

Maria CALLAS said : if you do not like me do not not listen mi singing ! She was right !! I love Gruberova and also Caballè and Sutherland and so on : all of them a different way of singing but all of them WONDEFULL !!! Thanks to Miss Gruberova for beeing so brave to impose this "difficult" way to interpretate Devereux . It is not an easy way to follow but I like her very much !!!

[RoOodOoOloOmeg]

looks like the queen if Alice in wonderland.

[pappappero0o]

oscena.

[Aperlini]

ma questa è pazza è stonatissima si deve ritirare

[looksee26]

will someone explain to me the popularity of this sloppy singer?

[moghedien13]

@looksee26 well she wasnt always sloppy, but yes in the past decade or so she realy has gotten messy. but in my own personal opinion id say, in her prime, her appeal was a very lovely bright pleasing sizable voice, coupled with good diction and, again in her prime, good taste. factor in evenness from the to bottom of the range and then in the theatre itself the ability to sing high notes with great power and stamina and it becomes extremely formidable.

[moghedien13]

@looksee26 i think her singing these days can be impressive, considering her age and length of her career, but for me her best was always in the lighter comic italian and german roles, and of course she is a master of the Mozart repertoire. look up gemme la tortorella on here from giardiniera, and unless you just really hate her voice, id be surprised if you were not a the least impressed.

[opera75frfr]

Quelle que soit la version, c'est EPOUVANTABLE. On dirait une Bette Davis desaxée. Quant à la voix bien sûr elle reste spectaculaire, mais le chant c'est aussi du GOUT: et les portamenti, les écarts de justesse, les graves caricaturaux, ces contrastes artificiels du forte au piano "détimbré, cela peut impressionner en salle, mais c'est à l'inverse même du BEL Canto. Comment cette grande artiste peut-elle se tromper à ce point?

[yglofmi]

@opera75frfr je suis bien d'accord

[nige1n1o]

Péché qu'une chanteur excelsa comme la Gruberova laisse une mémoire tellement laid

[leprincebeaumont]

Dire che è grottesca è dir poco. E' disdicevole che una così eccelsa cantante si sputtani in ruoli che canta come se si trattasse di verismo di bassa lega! Ridicola, esagitata e di cattivo gusto!

[mongemark]

è una parodia del canto e della scena  teatrale (mamma quant'è brutta...)

si muove come una pupazza e canta con una voce scivolosa e fissa

ho molto rispetto per la Gruberova ma qui pare una matta da metropolitana.....

[BlueHell]

she's sooooooo overdoing it  ... it's camp, no doubt about it ... but I must say I don't hate it ...

[Iareto]

This scene really lacks without the chorus.

[MisterSoprano]

Now, I have seen this perfomace life, twice, in Vienna. Did not like the staging, BUT GRUBEROVA WAS OUTSTANDING - you just cannot say by listening to this video how great she was. Elisabeth has to versions of interpretation - like this one or more like Gencer+Caballe style. I like all of them,they are different-there was NEVER just one way of interpretation. And,btw.,Gruberova KNOWS what she's doing-acting a total mad queen as Elisabeth was after Robertos dead.

[DrRobbieG]

In my opinion, the scooping, hooting, and facial contortions go well beyond acting, and into overacted, contrived, artiface, that unfortunately takes away from the beauty of G.D.'s music, and the natural beauty of Gruberova's unaffected voice. Again, just not my favorite performance of this aria or of Gruberova. On youtube, I think I prefer Sills interpretation, or Gruberova's from 1990.

[Turand0t]

The real Elisabeth did not go mad, not according to history... She was strong.

[MisterSoprano]

I do know that, but she is not playing a history here. If the story does not follow the history, its Donizettis "mistake", not hers.

[lorenzo23466]

I agree with you! Many, many people ignorant, presumptuous and that think to know everything about music, vocal technique and interpretations!First of all respect of the singers! Shameless! Great, great Gruberova!

[DrRobbieG]

Say what you want about the production, but Grub's odd vocal characterization of the role here is what's most disturbing.  It's unlistenable at times; perhaps she was having a bad run.

[twlldinbachdel]

Edita Gruberova has been singing for many years,I heard her live in the late 70's, she was brilliant. I enjoyed the end of Roberto Deveraux here,and still think she is very, very good, also a pleasure to watch.

[Babs22h]

i dont get why she takes the wig off in the end... or where the chorus went in this piece... any ideas?

[knurri8]

Grubi: In eines ihre viele glanzrollen! Sie IST einfach Eizabeth! Brava

[fazendasantoexpedito]

Where is this horror from ?

I can't believe you guys are discussing about Tudor history and son on in front of such a disaster. I'm not talking about the "regie" (horrible) but about what Miss. Gruberova does with this role.

This Gruberova is completely "stonata". Anti musical. I remember her being if not a great artist at least an interesting singer.But here I realize that that Gruberova doesn't exist anymore. Finished !! Pity.

[fazendasantoexpedito]

Where is this horror from ?

I can't believe you guys are discussing about Tudor history and son on in front of such a disaster. I'm not talking about the "regie" (horrible) but about what Miss. Gruberova does with this role.

This Gruberova is completely "stonata". Anti musical. I remember her being if not a great artist at least an interesting singer.But here I realize that that Gruberova doesn't exist anymore. Finished !! Pity.

[fazendasantoexpedito]

Where is this horror from ?

I can't believe you guys are discussing about Tudor history and son on in front of such a disaster. I'm not talking about the "regie" (horrible) but about what Miss. Gruberova does with this role.

This Gruberova is completely "stonata". Anti musical. I remember her being if not a great artist at least an interesting singer.But here I realize that that Gruberova doesn't exist anymore. Finished !! Pity.

[fazendasantoexpedito]

Where is this horror from ?

I can't believe you guys are discussing about Tudor history and son on in front of such a disaster. I'm not talking about the "regie" (horrible) but about what Miss. Gruberova does with this role.

This Gruberova is completely "stonata". Anti musical. I remember her being if not a great artist at least an interesting singer.But here I realize that that Gruberova doesn't exist anymore. Finished !! Pity.

[DiegoMartinazzoli]

I don't think you could have any Idea of what music is! sorry

[grubiforever]

ma quanta gente maleducata c è? fai bene a ricordarglielo diego..

[DiegoMartinazzoli]

maleducati E ignoranti...

[BeauTenor]

I was never a fan of Gruberova in most things. I don't think this is all bad; she does play the part like an older queen elizabeth, but the crooning for effect...it's just not to my taste. She should have left out the final Eb too.

[midlochblidloch]

it's a D, not an Eflat.

[baritonobelcantista]

WOW

[CzarDodon]

Merciful lord! what was all that about? Ok the director and the conductor have their share of the blame, but she is impossible, squally siren-like sounds often off pitch, vulgar in her interpretation to the point of being ridiculous, this is Donizetti not Ligeti, almost worthy of a drag queen.

[blidloch]

it;s sad to hear things like this... gruberova? vulgar? it is sad you cannot actually see the talent and the beauty of the music she produces with her voice.. shame...

[QuiRan82]

There are people who just don`t know what Music is about... we should not take them serious.

[babycatcher2004]

You bloody snob!

[QuiRan82]

My friend... what kind of language are you using? You call this style? I call this poor. Not of money but of mind. Pardon me.

[babycatcher2004]

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[isinglouderthanu]

this is horrendous...

[Dondinin]

Gruberova is great. I agree with the staging, ridiculous, like 95 % of new staging in Vienna's Staatsoper. Very sad.

[BDSCalgary]

Totally stupid! The singing is passable, but not that impressive. The staging is completely retarded! What is with this taking off the wig in the end! Typical crap European directors are creating these days. And so will mark the death of opera.

[CzarDodon]

Nice racist generalisation thank you

[babycatcher2004]

Where do you think the term "Eurotrash" came from? It is not racist, it just refers to the fact that so many European producers/directors generate crap stagings.

[CzarDodon]

Yes, a generalised prejudice applied to one particular group of people, European directors in this case. As a European I find it offensive, if it was said about Australian directors you'd be offended too, I think, regardless of the this particular staging... which I do not intend to defend.

[babycatcher2004]

I am sure whoever came up with the term "Eurotrash" was not intending to offend any colour, race, creed or religion. It was intended for the production and/or director. And I wouldn't be the least bit offended if you said it about an Australian production or direction. I'd probably agree; we've had some pretty ordinary productions here too. Australian Opera's Nabucco being one of them.

[CzarDodon]

It's not a question if you agree or not, it's a matter of a generalised statement where a group of people are targeted not just because they did something trashy but also because they are European, which is a form of identity though it is not a race colour creed of religion... in the same way that Australian is. In this case it's up to me as a European and other Europeans to decide if we are offended.

[babycatcher2004]

Whether you agree or not; whether you are offended or not; the point remains - it's an appropriate term for a number of productions be they Australian, European, Asian, Slavonic, etc.

[CzarDodon]

'Trash' may be appropriate if that's your opinion of a specific production. But if you qualify trash with Australian, European, Asian, Slavonic or any other word that implicates the identity of a group of people you are offending their culture and identity. Try posting a comment on Bollywood cinema and call it 'indian trash' (just as an experiment) and see what kind of reaction you get. Maybe this will get the point through to you.

[Elisabetta611]

The director and the singer obviously know nothing about Tudor history. I saw it live and wasn't surprised that the production was slammed by the critics.

[operamusicbuff]

You twit, this is Donizetti's opera, not history.

[CzarDodon]

Well they don't know much about Donizetti either by the looks of things, they know almost as little as Gruberova

[blidloch]

you should read a book by neil rishoi about gruberova. then you'll find out she knows much more about history and donizetti than you think.

[CzarDodon]

Well maybe know a lot about Donizetti, but it doessn't show! she should have known just by looking at the vocal extention of this part that it was too low for her rather high pitched soprano. Furthermore she interprets the part with very ugly sounds, ugly sounds that belong to twentieth century, they are simply out of place in Donizetti or any other composer of this period.... and it's not excused by any expressive needs

[blidloch]

man try to hear her live and then yu can criticise as much as you want.. okay?

these ugly sound you are talking about are a part of creating the character.

[CzarDodon]

Heard her live, thank you! La Traviata many years ago in Venice, Though not ideal it was much better than this. In Donizetti you cannot create character by distorting the vocal line, it has no sense, honestly it has little sense in Verdi or Puccini either and you wouldn't accept it in Mozart, would you?

If you want your Donizetti out of style, making excuses for the ugy sounds (which I am gald you hear) that's your choice. Anyhow we will have to agree to differ

[blidloch]

okay mate, it's your opinion, I find her interpretations with "disorting vocal lines" great.:)

[midlochblidloch]

vocal line? do you think she's disorting the vocal line? I play the piano and I can say she's not disorting the vocal line, everything has sense to me, every phrase. Ugly sounds? what sounds exactly, can you tell me?

[CzarDodon]

You are abviously bidloch reuturned with a new name. I thought we had agreed to differ, I'm not getting into this useless arguement with you again. You're not the only one who can read music! enjoy the holidays

[midlochblidloch]

no, if you're saying she's disorting the vocal line, I wanna know where exactly. or you don't know where and you're just maikng fuss because you hate gruberova? I think the sexond possibility is correct. and yes, I am blidloch with a new nick.

[babycatcher2004]

You can play a piano? So what! Doesn't make you an expert on the voice, or piano for that matter!

[Elisabetta611]

And what is the opera based on again?

[operamusicbuff]

Never mind the trick-entrapment question. If you're such an expert at Tudor history, then surely you know that Elizabeth didn't speak, much less sing in Italian, nor was there a handkerchief plot development, nor did Elizabeth abdicate to "Giacomo" after Devereux was executed. Check your history, dear.

[Elisabetta611]

It's one thing to look at the way Donizetti's manipulated history. It's quite another to rob it of its last connections to what actually happened. And, since I do know my history, Elizabeth did speak Italian. Fluently, I might add. Elizabeth basically stopped living when Devereux was executed in 1601. That's what Donizetti used in his opera. There, DEAR.

[operamusicbuff]

You're just saying all this shit to serve your own biases and to prove your self-alleged superiority. Your countering/comparing with knowledge of Tudor history with an altered operatic treatment is so off the wall.

[Elisabetta611]

You challenged me, I replied in kind. I'm not one to shy away from challenges. I never called myself superior. I merely said why I dislike this production and its star.