Corporal punishment in today's public school system is NOT the proper subject matter to involve bible scriptures, just for the simple fact religion is not practiced in the public school system. How do you know that the "STATE EMPLOYEE" even believes in the B-I-B-L-E? But some are willing to give "STATE EMPLOYEES" the right to use "THE ROD OF CORRECTION"???
To all the remarks that are not supportive to this video,Corporal Punishment by a stranger?Come people, open your eyes! Teachers only spend hours with any given child, they can not give reassurance to that child that they have their best interest at heart because of that fact. They only spend a fraction of time with that child - PUBLIC authoritative figures should NOT be given the legal right to physically discipline a child when they are only with that child 1440 hours (MAX in 1 school year).
mam excuse me but i believe u don't understand the scriptures according 2 the word of GOD !!!!!!!!!!! U R AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD !!!!!!!!!! U DON'T EVEN LOVE HIM AND WON'T OBEY HIM @ ALL ??????? THAT'S A HIGH PRICE YOU'RE PAYING 4 WHEN U CAN'T SEE DEMONIC SPIRITS AND UNLEARNED BEHAVIOR IN CHILDREN ON 2 DAY !!!!!!!! U NEED 2 REPENT BECAUSE JESUS IS COMING SOON !!!!!!!!!!!!
@sophiemomo3 ~Excuse me but I believe they have removed prayer from schools a long time ago! Which in essence means no religion in PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS- Please do not quote bible scriptures where they are not even allowed to be practiced! I do believe in JESUS CHRIST, I just don't want anyone who can not legally profess their faith in public to have the LEGAL RIGHT to "PADDLE" my child. Because their interpretation of "paddling" may be the equivalent to my interpretation of "ABUSE"
@generalcrash777 lets ask this simple question, cause you can take any book and mis quote or mesh or meld it to your whim yes even the bible can be abused, just look at the vatican. would you rather your child were disciplined at the age of 7 or handcuffed at the age of 17? to me the choice is simple be a good parent and you will have good children. slack on your parental duties, and lord have mercy on you, your gonna contribute to a ADHD kid WHO BTW will be in charge some day..think about it
Job 5:17-18 (NIV) "Blessed is the man whom God corrects; so do not despise the discipline of the Almighty. For he wounds, but he also binds up; he injures, but his hands also heal."
Prov 20:30 (NIV) Blows and wounds cleanse away evil, and beatings purge the innermost being.
Prov 22:15 (NIV) Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him.
I never said god was without love but sadistic, that is your word. and these help it fit. sadly.
@unkledamian, First of all, you failed to site any passage from the New Testament of Jesus endorsing, supporting, or prescribing the beating of children or any disciples for that matter, so at this point, you clearly failed the first prong, but it still stands to be taken again You also misquoted me as saying that Jesus is, "Sadistic." It was a remark to your point of bad things happening to bad people and you equating it to, "Jesus beating his disciples,"
however, you fail to note that bad things happen to good people too. Therefore, you make it appear that Jesus "BEATS" anyone of his choosing, at his wish, for his own pleasure. I find it interesting that you would use street gangs and crime activity to justify your point, but you also fail to see that the states where teachers are still beating children and in those same regions of the country where this practice is embraced strongly also have one of the highest crime rates in the nation.
Also, I asked you the question of you believed the death penalty for disrespectful and rebellious children to make a point that such behavior would not be embraced today because we are in New Testament days. Also It seems odd that you wouldn't even look at that passage and recognize it was a practice done in those days and if your justification of hitting children is true, then stoning them to death is just as valid, your failure to see such can make you to appear either ignorant or dishonest
Finally, you show your dishonesty by making a false claim that I don't support the discipline of children. I do support structured discipline, but the question is if beating, hitting, or whatever you want to call it (to feel good about your own behavior) should be part of the equation. You also draw a false dilemma that if we are not hitting, we are not disciplining, but you fail to taking into account that alternative exists that work better than hitting, according to modern science and people.
@bosstanaka88 you want to change the topic of discussion now because u cant defend ur argument on spanking? alright, i need to know where u found your info that spanking has not been linked to any deaths.
@bosstanaka88 also, generalcrash777 did prove u wrong numerous times. i also proved ur wrong. we didnt talk down to u. we just gave u the facts. ur the one who is ignoring reality. as human beings, we have an obligation to try to educate people who are a threat to children and u r a threat.
if people cared about the well being of their children they wouldn't care about corporal punishment they would care more about the bullying. kids these days don't commit suicide because they were spanked by thier teachers they commit suicide because of excessive bullying so why not campaign that instead
@bosstanaka88 i see. so again, instead of discussing why u believe n spanking, u try to find a flaw with me and now your trying to find a flaw with my youtube profile. as if doing so gives you a pass for supporting violence when u cant give one legit reason to back ur opinion up.
@bosstanaka88 dont try to play the victim. you commented on this video with your opinion that is based on NOTHING. if you put your opinion out there, expect to be confronted on it. if u refuse to accept proven facts because of religion, expect to be humiliated. you are a danger to children and i hope you will avoid them.
@bosstanaka88 the only thing you didnt discuss is a rational reason why u believe n spanking. i asked u to do that a long time ago and u cant. thus, u have to try to find some flaw with me personally to take attention off ur no argument. if u pray, pray that God gives u the ability to think for yourself and stop commenting on videos with your nonsense.
@bosstanaka88 god is unrelated to a discussion about spanking. u did a nice job of turning the conversation away from spanking so you could begin arguing about religion which cannot be proven or disproven. u then tried to argue that i have a character flaw because i dont believe n your imaginary friend.
@bosstanaka88 if u believe n things that cant be proven and u oppose things that have been proven, then what can we say. u r hopeless. there is nothing admirable about you using a fantasy book to justify child violence. i want to know the truth about world issues. if all u have is fantasy to argue ur point with, then this isnt a real discussion. good luck to ne children n your care.
@bosstanaka88 i understand that u r a pro spanker and that u think spanking and abuse are different concepts. what i am concerned about is that u cant give 1 logical scientific reason that u support it and it concerns me that u think some violence for children is ok but not all violence. that is not rational. supporting spanking just for the hell of it when it has proven harmful is sick.
@bosstanaka88 your imaginary friend is not a leading authority on spanking, sorry. it doesnt matter whether someone attended a paddling school, they can still know by reading a book or doing a google search that spanking is harmful. i saw innocent kids being beaten n school. this caused me to examine the effectiveness of spanking, i suggest u do the same. we never said ignorance was bad but that doesnt mean that we are going to quietly watch as u advocate child violence.
@omgtaylorswift01 Stockholm syndrome at its very best. Thos who are unable to justify there behavior will excuse thos who cause great pain in their lives. Putting blame on the people who they trusted for so long would be too painful for them. So, they put blame on themselves to excuse the abuser.
its just astounding to me that spanking is still a public debate. with the massive amount of research that shows the negative consequences of spanking, why r pro spankers desperately trying to keep it around. i challenge pro spankers to give me 1 legit, logical, proven fact that supports their position. but they cant. they can only use their extreme biases, e.g., what their parents taught them, to argue.
@generalcrash777 he never messaged me. he came up with the absurd statement that most serial killers were not spanked which is completely false. im giving up on these videos. they make me to angry. i read the same arguments by pro spankers n every video and when i confront them they either lie or say that i shouldnt listen to research.
Dealing with prospankers is like speaking to a brick, no sence of scientific evidence will ever convince them to the contrary. But yeah, hope you can tell me how the debate went, your probably blew him out of the water.
neither of u need to respond. i know im wasting my time. ur both morons who will cling to ur ignorance for dear life. i have done the research, i know the facts. u dont care about facts or reality and thats the way it will be. so good luck.
@bosstanaka88 So, tell us about the amazing research you've done concerning spanking and possible outcomes. Unfortunately, your ignorance has excluded evidence that goes against reality. For example, states where studentssss are still beaten in schools have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, young people in jail, school violence and domestic violence. Better yet, let's have a debate right here on this video. What do you say?
@bosstanaka88 Sorry, that's not going to fly. Rather than referring me to a study to support your position, you direct me to a bible verse unrelated to the issue. For arguments sake, let's play anyways. First, the rod referred to in that verse is a shepard's rod. A good shepard never beat the sheep in his care. Could you imagine Jesus, who is classified as the greatest shepard beating his disciples? Finally, I have to ask, since you agree with old testament method ways of dealing with children
I wonder if you agree with stoning disrespectful and rebellious children to death as prescribed in Deuteronomy 18:18-21 and Exodus 21:15 & 17. As you may know the Bible makes no distinction between abuse and corporal punishment. This is coming from a Christian, but there is no going around the fact its objectively there. Also, I'm an activist and heard the cries for help from students who have been abused by educators under the guise of discipline and parents who cannot protect them.
Second it's perfectly relavent. You're the one who brought in an irrelavent verse that doesn't have to do with educators. Finally, If you support beating children, what's not going to stop you from supporting something supported by scripture, the death penalty for disrespectful and rebellious children.
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use," Galileo. Since you don't believe in science it's seems fair to ask if you think the Earth goes around the Sun or is it the other way as prescribed by the church in the 1500s? I will also pray for you that you can find peaceful ways of handling childre rather than the violent ways of hitting them.
@bosstanaka88 Okay, we can play that game. Name me one (1) verse in the New Testament where Jesus advocates the beating of a child or any of his disciples? If you cannot find any, then you have no room to feel qualified to answer any theological question concerning child discipline and Christianity. Also, since Christianity is based off the teachings of Jesus and you're beating children, then why are you doing it?
Finally, why are you ignoring my point of if you agree with old testament ways of dealing with children, then why not stone disrespectful children to death as prescribed in Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and Exodus 21:15 & 17? This will handle the issue quickly and swiftly and at the same time lower the Earth's population. ( it's sarcasm for those who will use this against me)
I would present evidence to you, but that involves scientific and psychological research wich doesn't phase you. Here's evidence due to inference, why do states where student striking is still sanctioned have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, crime rates, domestic violence, and school violence? Along with your Bible searching of finding when would Jesus strike any of his disciples, you've got plenty to chew on.
@JBthebirdhunter no, thats not even anywhere close to the fact. any reputable scholarly paper or research study will tell u that. and to attribute a lack of paddling to a society problem of no respect when that problem is caused by numerous sources isnt to bright either. that would be like me saying that depression is a problem because husbands arent allowed to burn their wives with a cigarette.
@mstremski also, how dare u talk about ur fathers beatings and giving ur kids ass whippings as if that is a life to aspire 2. if ur family turned out well, thats great. but to attribute this success to spanking is irrational, ignorant, dillusional, and contradicts research.
@mstremski im so tired of that argument that i want to puke. who gives a fuck about ur families careers or grades. that is unrelated to spanking. the percentage of incarcerated offenders n this country that were spanked is almost 100 percent.
I believe paddling should be legal in school. Unruly children do need to be punished. Believe me when I grew up, if I ever got a paddling at school (only happened to me when I was in the first grade) then I sure was guaranteed to get another one when I got home. It taught me to always follow the rules in school.
People need to quit whining about their unruly kids getting a swat in school. I received my share of them, and I deserved every one of them. I usually got the option (tho not always) of getting a swat or having the teacher/principle call my parents. My Pops woulda light me up a lot worse than any swat would, so that's the route I always took. I've got 3 kids now, & all 3 have taking an ass-whipping when warranted. My oldest son is in the U.S. Army, my other 2 kids are on the honor roll.
I use to think coporal punishment was okay because I've never been paddled or in any serious trouble but to think my future children could be paddled doesn't set well with me.
In hebrews 12 there is a comparison being done between the carnal chastining of our flesh by our earthly fathers and the spiritual chastisment by our heavenly father. In verse 10 we see that the only one between the two that is profitable to the ones receiving it is that which comes from GOd. That which comes from our earthly fathers is not profitable to us but instead is done only to feed the pleasures of those that inflict it. This only "seems right to them" prov. 14:12
@JBthebirdhunter New Mexico has just banned corporal punishment! So now its 31 states that ban it and hopefully more states will follow. Those people who are in favor of CP are really losing badly!
@JBthebirdhunter The fact is that no statistic justifies that claim. Case data does indicate that kids in almost all of these states have been hospitalized as a result of corporal punishment - yes, with sanctioned implements like canes and paddles.
Statistics also indicate significant risk of retaliation against staff through vandalism and open acts of violence. Mind, violence against staff who practice violence against kids is something that I support wholeheartedly.
Corporal punishment is full of hipocracy and is not peacful or merciful and definitley not gentle so it can not be considered wisdom according to the new testiment's definition of wisdom. james 3:17-18 but the wisdom that is from above is first pure,then peaceable, gentle,and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hipocracy. and the fruite of the riteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
Stop hitting kids on the head! However, spanking them should be legal everywhere on the planet! I can't tell you how much I hate when liberal hippies like this try to tell other people how to discipline their children. I was spanked and paddled in school, and I am better because of it. In my school, parents had to sign waivers to allow us to be spanked, and that worked just fine. I say, "Stop hitting your children, but keep on spanking them!" As for the hippies, mind your own business!
ignorance is bliss isn't it? Your lack of knowledge concerning child development is jus astounding, but what I find most mind boggling is that you feel the need to tell scientist who have studied this discipline for a good amount of time to can it. Your examples prove absolutely nothing, if anything it proceeds to make you look ignorant. The same can be said from your, "Stop hitting, but keeping spanking remark."
Just like there is a difference between proper wife chastizement and spousal abuse, what's the difference? Second is your spanked and turned out okay excuse. I can't tell you how many times I've heard this, but people seem to be quiet when I line it up with other behaviors using the same logic. Such as I smoke/ride a bike with a helmet/ride in my car without a seatbelt/was molested and turned out okay. Somehow this logic becomes faulty for anything else, but spanking.
Finally, your clumping together of people who do not subscribe to your primitive ideas as, "Liberals," clearly demonstrates you have nothing to bring to the conversation. Before you judge me, I'm not a liberal, but a democratic moderate.
Paddling used in the US is a shame!!! I thought they said this was the best country in the world..its a rich country. They dont use this in 3rd world countries anymore.. ITS A SHAME!
I think that if schools are going to paddle they all should. Since few do today I think it is unfair that someone has to go to a government run school and be subject to CP just because of where they live. BTW hitting a student in the head isn't right and only the school admin should be allowed to paddle with parental consent. In theory I think schools should paddle, but in today's world I think they shouldn't.
I lived in 2 country's UK and Israel. I cant believe that in the USA the land witch declarer's to stand for freedom. things like that happen in Iran Syria & most 3rd world country's. Corporal Punishment practicer's clam Its a UK thing witch been outlawed since 1987 in Israel Evan in the home its not allows, so why in the US should be any different
I personally believe that paddling is acceptable. I Do Not believe that a teacher should be allowed to slap, punch or smack a child in the head or anywhere else because of disobedience. In my experiences we were paddled when we stepped sufficiently out of line, and there were rules about how hard we could be hit and if we were hit too hard there could be repercussions. I believe in corporal punishment, but there must be rules to watch over the children.
@Christoph777 I'm not that old. We were paddled back in the 80's, and I saw no problem with it then. If anything we kind of looked at it as a rite of passage. You took your licks, you moved on. I will never condone beating a child with a rod, but paddling kept me out of serious trouble because it taught me that there were prices to be paid for breaking the rules, and as you grow older there are prices to pay for breaking laws.
and on another tangent, the fact we do not discipline our children because we are too afraid of going to jail for child abuse is absolutely STUNNING, which is also in combination with the amount of sugar our children take in as well as a lack of discipline that leads to ADD and ADHD and other such "illnesses" that SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN TREATED WITH DRUGS WHEN A GOOD OLD FASHIONED SMACK ON THE BUM WOULD HAVE STOPPED IT FROM HAPPENING! TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR YOUR CHILDREN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!
1st, let me state that I am a Father, and Ordained Minister. I am 28 years old and as far as Im concerned SPANKING was never the issue. The reason for this SURGE in anti spanking is because of a group of people who were being legitimately abused as children and as adults. As for the act of spanking your child, I will quote the bible when it says "spare the rod and spoil the child" does this mean I want everyone to go out and abuse their kids? NO!! it means YOU GOT SPANKED & TURNED OUT FINE!!
Just for your information, "spare the rod, spoil the child," is not in the Bible, it's in a 16th century poem by Samuel Butler, wich was about sex. While we're on this subject, the closest thing to this saying in the Bible is Proverbs 13:24 wich is about the careful discipline of children. First, if you look at the original text, the word, "Rod" refers to a shepard's rod, wich was used to guide sheep, not beat them. When has Jesus ever beaten the sheep in his flock, under his care?
@generalcrash777 My thoughts to you are this, if you have never spent time on a farm, then you need to. because SOME sheep need more GUIDANCE than others, and that guidance isnt ALWAYS soft, gentile, reaffirming, loving and caring. quite the contrary. as for the sheep in Jesus's flock, how many of us say "oh it was gods will that I got into that accident, it changed my" or "IF I hadn't DIED from that Overdose I never would have found god" Jesus beats us, its just called "gods will"
If you want proof, look at the dictionary of the King James Bible.
Second, in your comment, you say that we should spank and not beat. The Bible doesn't make it clear where that fine line is, in fact, Solomon called for the flogging of criminals, so when has that been advocated by yourself lately. Finally, if you're right, for arguements sake, let's look at other prescriptions that the OT gives about children. If the OT gives you the Okay to beat them, these things must be right too?
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the
gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, `This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.`
"Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death. "Whoever steals a man, whether he sells him or is found in possession of him, shall be put to death. "Whoever curses his father or his mother shall be put to death.
It's too long, but how about killing your children or other family members if they tempt you to worship other gods, Deuteronomy 13
But, why stop at child beating, let also bring back slavery, wife beating, and religious warfare. Now, all these words are coming from a Christian, but there is no doubt that they are objectively there. Finally your claim that spanking an witholding sugar is the cure for ADHD clearly shows your utter ignorance in child developmen and child psychology.
@generalcrash777 you know I noticed you didnt once mention proverbs in full quotation let me help you
Proverbs 13:24 (King James Version) 24He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
now, where does that say "the careful discipline of children." implied or otherwise? it doesnt say beat your son or daughter to death, but it surely doesnt state using means to discipline is a bad thing, whatever the object *within reason* is.
@unkledamian, Well, I guess using your logic, when bad things happen to good people, it shows that Jesus beats people abritrarily without concern. That really sounds like the Lord I worship? Nevertheless, I'll play your game. Find for me a passage in the NT where Jesus supports, prescribes, or even does the beating of his disciples? It is clear in scripture that he corrects his disciples, but good luck trying to find where hitting is in the equation.
Shame on you for making Jesus appear to be a sadist. Second, I looked at that verse one more time and according to the "RSV" Diligent to discipline. Now, this puts a dent in your arguement because I would like to know how hitting is diligent? Rather than the other methods that do take sometime, but are less harmful than hitting. Finally, find for me a passage anywhere that discriminates a beating and what is not?
The reason is because I can one up you because the scripture also prescribes that disrespectful and rebellious children ought to recieve the death penalty as prescribed in Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and Exodus 21:15 & 17
So do you believe the death penalty should be enforced for disrespectful and rebellious children?
@generalcrash777 lets see, who's in charge of the street gangs? certainly doesnt look like a bunch of middle aged men. so you tell me who deserves to die? I would like to know. seeing as you are willing to say and pass judgment on myself, what gives you the right to insinuate I would wish death on a child that still had hope of being turned away from a bad path? for shame.
A student doesn't have to let a teacher or administrator paddle him or her. The student could simply refuse to cooperate and walk away from the school.
I am against paddling in schools, I think it is barbaric. But I thought getting swatted in school was interesting, and I played spanking games with friends. Really, parents should protect their kids from abuse. It should not be a political fight. If parents don't want their kids swatted, they should home-school or send them to a private school. Kids who want to get paddled can do swat meets voluntarily.
. when i was in school the teachers got pleasure out of paddleing students. and they always found a reason for doing it. I was paddled in school one time because i didnt know the answer to a math problem and my mother went up to the school and my teacher had to tell me he was sorry in front of my whole class and now he is in jail for touching two little girls. Hell of a school system isnt it.
I do believe in spanking but if my child needs a spanking i will be the one doing it. Teachers dont have any right to spank a child unless a parent tells them they can and i for one will not tell them that they can.
So I don't get it...someone enlighten me. If an underage girl wears a short skirt to school instead of sending her home they are gonna have her bend over by some random old guy & spank her?! What if he likes it?! Umm sexually motivating?!
@imtheshitduh Omg god u read my mind. Actually, that event has already happened and has been justified. I agree, if a principal is a pervert, he would want to make excuses to spank girls (specially the pretty ones), and what if he has some sort of spanking fetish? If there's going to be corporal punishment (Wich there shouldn't be, because teacher's overuse their power), then it should just be in the hand with a ruler (Like in my school, years ago), Thank you for your comment!
Paula spanking is good for kids. Spare the rod and spoil the child. You are the instrument of the devil to derail discipline. I spanked my child. Now she washes her plate after eating, she goes to bet on time, she does her home work before any other thing.
For kicks, look up the boy who got even with his dad for his 1000th spanking. The boy who kept a written record swore that the 1000th spanking would be the last and it was.
Paula Flowe is a hero to children abused under the vail of discipline. In fact, many see her as an angel from heaven
You are amazing! The Hitting Stops Here is a great idea and I hope that someday we will stop all corporal punishment in America. Great job and God bless
I believe in corporal spanking. I went to Catholic School in Pasadena Texas, And I was spanked alot at school. I think to many people over express themselves on this matter. Now as far as physically beating kids senseless is wrong. This matter im against. But yes we should keep spanking in schools. Some children are totally out of control wont listen, act out, and this needs to stop.
Touching a student's buttocks is a perverted practice, I don't understand why they accept this....Why if the teacher is a pervert?? (It has happened) Spanking should be donde for sexual purpose only.
Please take time to read the first 5 pages of the GAO, ACLU and UC Davis Law Review located at the top of our Home page near photo of hand holding paddle.
Also, please read Plain Talk About Spanking. The link is under Hot Topics in left column on Home page.
There are peaceful ways of solving EVERY conflict. Educators will help society by being examples of using them.
I don't know what the policy is in US public schools in the states where corporal punishment is still allowed is but in Canada, before it was abolished,it was an option.
@jgh57 okay im the only one that will spank my child no teacher or principle will lay a hand on my kid. and no it should not be in all 50 states. If i found out a teacher hit any of my kids .. omg if i found out a teacher hit any of my kids .. i will go nuts on his or her ass. like i said im the ONLY one who spanks my children.
When corporal punishment came into the schools, we didn't have an understanding of psychological effects it could potentially have. I know from experience that getting hit for something I didn't do still sticks with me 24 years later! A false accusation was all it took! My state didn't ban it until I was a senior in high school!! That's 1994 btw.
its a crock too let anyone that is not a part our community to tell us how too raise our kids or teach or disipline our kids you keep neo liberal crap up north stay the fuck out of our community.
Sorry, you're way off the mark. It's an American Issue and a Human Rights Issue. You remind me of a classical arguement for paddling.
"It's the will of the community."
Substitute any other issue for corporal punishment and people finally see the flaw. I'll do it right now in front of you. Let's take ... Selling alcohol to kids.
Our town is made up primarily of Central Europeans and in their homeland, everyone drinks, even kids. It's the will of our community to freely sell beer to anyone?
Corporal punishment, when administered correctly for the right reasons works. Now BEATING children or students ...absolutely NOT. I recall in Jr high school where a Gym teacher literally beat up a fellow student in his office (punched him with his fists, threw him around) in a violent manner. The boy came out of that office crying and urinated himself. That teacher should have been arrested for assault and battery and fired on the spot. The boy's crime...he wasn't wearing his gym socks.
"Corporal punishment, when administered correctly for the right reasons works"
Thats just it, alot of times it isnt applied properly.
Also, why is it that the States with the highest Corporal Punishment rate ALSO have the highest drop out rate, teen pregnancy rate and now the highest crime rate?
Also nobux, how does "that" teacher about to hit a child with a board, know if the child is being hit or abused also at home?
How do you draw the line between 'hurt' and "ingury" with C.P?
This isnt so much the problem of corporal punishment in the schools as much as a lack of interest in the parents, or poverty level, the majority of teen pregnancy is due to fatherless families or a continuation of a 'family tradition', mom had me when she was 16 why cant I. Do some more research, the way I had to for final thesis in school. I was astounded by what I found. It has more to do with the example set at home, is there respect enforced or do the kids run the house?
and how high is the poverty rate, the single parent rate, and academic achievement in those same areas? While affluence is not a barrier to all those things mentioned, it is a major contributing factor in all, to include crime. It is proven that ALL of these things contribute. When CP was prevalent in schools and homes, this was a SAFER country, and nothing you can say will refute that. The proof is in the police reports, the crime statistics, the teen pregnancy statistics.
i agree that most students dont need to be swatted, but what do you do with the ones that have no interest in following the rules? the ones that believe they are being cool by 'sticking it to the man'? do you just expel them and continue the cycle of ignorance and disrespect? I think that those kind of situations would benefit from a CP kind of punishment. But again these are my experiences and my opinions, though i have lived most of my life outside the US both in my upbringing and profession
I agree that all misbehavior does not warrant a spanking and i will say that again ALL MISBEHAVIOR DOES NOT WARRANT A SPANKING!! But do not limit yourself to just a talking to, or a time out. If you review my comments I agree with you that some kids dont need spankings, my middle child obeys with just a stern look when she is in trouble, the eldest does not, she is actually more disrespectful when we try the AP stuff (attachment parenting) which is a totally non spanking type of parenting.
i also believe that we need to level the playing field. with all the violence in schools against teachers and other students, the metal detectors, the school uniforms and dress codes problems, maybe we should allow the teachers to carry firearms in school .... i mean that way they dont have to be scared of their students, (all sarcastic of course). But when students hold all the aces and dont have to abide by the rules because the worst they have to fear is expulsion whats the incentive?
and just a bit more about my background, i was an abused child (in the strictest sense of the term) I was punished with belts, shoes, slaps to the face with both hands and the belt. I agree that there needs to be a measure of restraint. I married a girl that didnt finish high school, got pregnant with out first child at 18 and didnt have a father in her life. she went to non cp schools and lived in a middle class neighborhood. And many of her friends did the same, so it isnt just a CP thing.
I am so sorry to hear about your abuse aarnesto. Very sad to see this and hear about it.
I grew up with a close freind who was abused both at school and at home. His back would be covered in scares from the beatings he got at home and then to come to school and get the Strap?
No teacher knows exactly what is going on in any childs life in the home.
and i think that is where the system breaks down, when there is no communication between the parents and the teacher so that either one could have stopped the ABUSE. But again the things you are stating are a far cry from a swat given with the hand on the butt, one swat to the butt, anything else is ABUSE.
As long as "teachers" are allowed to hit kids wth boards, there will always be a child "harmed" both physically and mentally at the hands of an abusive teacher.
Where do you draw that invisible line in the sand between "hurt" and "injure" when spanking a child?
and that is totally OK there is room for opinions on everything. thank you for your comments and I hope an open debate can be had and no recriminations dealt against those that do not agree with your own. Have a great 2010!!
The ones that dont follow the rules? No one said raising a child was easy. To give up and finally say i am going to hit you with this board solves nothing. All it does is instill more hatred or fear into that child. That child that wont follow the rules by all means needs more attention givinen to him/her.
"Good behaviour is instilled in the mind, not the behind"
Also nobux, the top public schools in the USA have NO corporal punishment at all.
It has been proven that you can raise a child without hitting them. To me, Corporal Punishment is an age old, barbaric, out dated, English Imported, lazy mans way of dealing with children.
Unfortunately you fail to see their is no proper way to use legalized assault and battery. I challenge you to finally put verbs in your sentences. Find 1, just 1 scientific article that proves corporal punishment works and no, Your personal antidote doesn't count and won't fly with educated persons seeking evidence.
I didn't grow up to be a hitter:
It's just as valid as saying I rode my bike at top speed without a helmet and I turned out okay.
Good, I'm glad it's still legal to spank... I got my fair share of them when I was younger. Granted you're right, teachers shouldn't be "hitting" kids in the head, but spankings SHOULD be administered still.
That's true, it is administered in much higher numbers to boys and to non-white children. I hate it---but I think the problem is convincing the parents. I worked at two different schools that were predominantly black. I can tell you that most of the parents I spoke with would not hesitate to admit they spanked at home. And, in the South, most parents are pro-spank. You've got to convince the parents first.
I think another obstacle is the fact that a lot of people are VERY offended at the idea of parenting classes. They feel it's an infringement, an insult to their abilities.
Well you can tell that to Mitchal Johnson who after a paddling came to school the next and killed 4 people and the teacher who paddled him, it worked there didn't it. Tell that to all the cases that wonderful people have been ruined with one experience of corporal punishment.
Spanking should be administered:
Despite many people hold this point of view, no scientific evidence suggest that this form of violent punishment has benefits. It has no merit.
I agree shostetler....When I was paddled in school, it was my fault, not my parents or the teacher or the other students. Paddling taught me respect. The color of the teacher made no difference. I had a sensitive "ego" too but a paddling didn't make me kill other students or teachers. It made me sit down, think about what I did and to be quiet. It didn't turn me into threat to society. Why? Maybe it is because the ACLU's rhetoric wasn't focused on then.
Hey, if you want, we can have a debate, you can post your comments and I'll post mine. For starters, I'll anser you're first point you asked me earlier that paddling doesn't create disfunctional adults. First, when children are witnesses or participate in violent punishment, their brain grows confortable to violence to a means of problem solving. After all, Mr. A hits and it's okay, I guess hitting must be okay. It's the behavior that's being modeled. Also when participants of buttocks beating
wish to get revenge, they choose to take their aggression out on other people who refused to help them. We have a mountains of scientific data that demonstrates that paddled behinds causes many of our social ills such as drug use, drop out rates, teen pregnancy, crime, and others. One thing I didn't mention, but will explain here, school paddlings causes depression. If you don't believe me, google this: tragic side of classroom punishment and you will learn of an 8 year old who wanted
to commit suicide after repeated classroom paddlings. Research has also demonstrated in that report that over 2 decades of researchers that hav amounted to over 2 dozen students threatening to commit suicide ater paddlings. What do we tell that 8 year old boy, tough luck kid but corporal punishment still needs to be used? It's your fault if you do die?
No, maybe not you, but it has with others my friend.
Check out Paula's site, check out the INJURIES to children... as the result of a so called "paddling" ..more like BEATING to me. And it will happen again, rest assured.
Sheesh, yeah, i didnt wear a helmut riding my bike growing up and i am ok.
I also didnt wear a seat belt in my parents car but i am ok today. Things could have been different.
SPANKINGS? Is that what you call it when a child comes home from school with testicular damage from being hit to hard with a board?? Think it never happens?
I don't agree with abuse, and clearly testicular damage is abuse. The fact remains however that the physical STING a child gets from a spanking against his/her bare ass gets their attention. It did mine, and though I hated it, it made me respect my parents and teachers for it. I didn't kill anybody or become violent. Spanking needs to be done correctly and with a stern talking to beforehand of WHY the punishment has come to that when all else (grounding, time out, etc) has failed.
It didnt bother you? You are ok? Well, i didnt wear a helmut on my bike growing up, both my parents smoked, i didnt wear a seat belt in the car, and it didnt bother me, could have been worse though.
Spanking needs to be done correctly? Thats just it, it never is when administered by an angry teacher wielding a 2 ft long board shostetler.
IF spanking is administered, it should be by the PARENT(s) only, if at all.
Btw, the top 10 US public schools have no Corporal Punishment, at all.
I agree that spanking is BEST administered by the parent, i am only 35 and I remember that when i was a kid my folks would let the parents of my friends spank me if i misbehaved and it was a big deterrent to misbehaving. All I am saying is that teachers should not have their hands tied, they spend more time with our kids than most of us do. I homeschool and am a stay at home dad right now. I have always said that the punishment should fit the crime, NOT EVERY offense is spank worthy.
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jko12hho 1 week ago
When my children are in private school.... the parents must sign a consent form for the child to recieve swats w/ a paddle.
emitchellbiz 4 months ago
I wish a teacher would hit me best believe we are gonna be fighting
MrJosiahjames 5 months ago
Anti spanking zelots love to use cases of abuse to make all forms of spanking look bad.
billybassman21 5 months ago
Corporal punishment in today's public school system is NOT the proper subject matter to involve bible scriptures, just for the simple fact religion is not practiced in the public school system. How do you know that the "STATE EMPLOYEE" even believes in the B-I-B-L-E? But some are willing to give "STATE EMPLOYEES" the right to use "THE ROD OF CORRECTION"???
mcobb1513 6 months ago
To all the remarks that are not supportive to this video,Corporal Punishment by a stranger?Come people, open your eyes! Teachers only spend hours with any given child, they can not give reassurance to that child that they have their best interest at heart because of that fact. They only spend a fraction of time with that child - PUBLIC authoritative figures should NOT be given the legal right to physically discipline a child when they are only with that child 1440 hours (MAX in 1 school year).
mcobb1513 6 months ago
You hit me...then I hit your ass back. I don't care who you are. Try me.
babygirl661666 7 months ago
mam excuse me but i believe u don't understand the scriptures according 2 the word of GOD !!!!!!!!!!! U R AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD !!!!!!!!!! U DON'T EVEN LOVE HIM AND WON'T OBEY HIM @ ALL ??????? THAT'S A HIGH PRICE YOU'RE PAYING 4 WHEN U CAN'T SEE DEMONIC SPIRITS AND UNLEARNED BEHAVIOR IN CHILDREN ON 2 DAY !!!!!!!! U NEED 2 REPENT BECAUSE JESUS IS COMING SOON !!!!!!!!!!!!
MrMikeb3 7 months ago
mam excuse me but i believe u don't understand the scriptures according 2 the word of GOD !!!!!!!!!!! U R AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD !!!!!!!!!!
MrMikeb3 7 months ago
You, ma'am, are my new hero.
0228katie 7 months ago
The bible DOES SAY to discipline your child with the ROD OF CORRECTION. And no, Jesus never beat anyone, but Jesus is not the FATHER, he is the SON.
Proverbs 13:24" Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him."
Proverbs 22:15 Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him.
Proverbs 23: 13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. <-- All from the BIBLE
sophiemomo3 8 months ago
The bible DOES SAY to discipline your child with the ROD OF CORRECTION. And no, Jesus never beat anyone, but Jesus is not the FATHER, he is the SON.
Proverbs 13:24" Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him."
Proverbs 22:15 Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline drives it far from him.
Proverbs 23: 13 Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you strike him with a rod, he will not die. <-- All from the BIBLE
sophiemomo3 8 months ago
@sophiemomo3 ~Excuse me but I believe they have removed prayer from schools a long time ago! Which in essence means no religion in PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEMS- Please do not quote bible scriptures where they are not even allowed to be practiced! I do believe in JESUS CHRIST, I just don't want anyone who can not legally profess their faith in public to have the LEGAL RIGHT to "PADDLE" my child. Because their interpretation of "paddling" may be the equivalent to my interpretation of "ABUSE"
mcobb1513 6 months ago
@sophiemomo3 ~ U.S. Supreme Court’s removal of prayer from our nation’s schools, June 25, l962
mcobb1513 6 months ago
Someone whip this cunt.
angelsgurl 9 months ago
@angelsgurl YOUR LANGUAGE IS VULGER!
mcobb1513 6 months ago
@generalcrash777 lets ask this simple question, cause you can take any book and mis quote or mesh or meld it to your whim yes even the bible can be abused, just look at the vatican. would you rather your child were disciplined at the age of 7 or handcuffed at the age of 17? to me the choice is simple be a good parent and you will have good children. slack on your parental duties, and lord have mercy on you, your gonna contribute to a ADHD kid WHO BTW will be in charge some day..think about it
unkledamian 10 months ago
Job 5:17-18 (NIV) "Blessed is the man whom God corrects; so do not despise the discipline of the Almighty. For he wounds, but he also binds up; he injures, but his hands also heal."
Prov 20:30 (NIV) Blows and wounds cleanse away evil, and beatings purge the innermost being.
Prov 22:15 (NIV) Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him.
I never said god was without love but sadistic, that is your word. and these help it fit. sadly.
unkledamian 10 months ago
@unkledamian, First of all, you failed to site any passage from the New Testament of Jesus endorsing, supporting, or prescribing the beating of children or any disciples for that matter, so at this point, you clearly failed the first prong, but it still stands to be taken again You also misquoted me as saying that Jesus is, "Sadistic." It was a remark to your point of bad things happening to bad people and you equating it to, "Jesus beating his disciples,"
generalcrash777 10 months ago
however, you fail to note that bad things happen to good people too. Therefore, you make it appear that Jesus "BEATS" anyone of his choosing, at his wish, for his own pleasure. I find it interesting that you would use street gangs and crime activity to justify your point, but you also fail to see that the states where teachers are still beating children and in those same regions of the country where this practice is embraced strongly also have one of the highest crime rates in the nation.
generalcrash777 10 months ago
Also, I asked you the question of you believed the death penalty for disrespectful and rebellious children to make a point that such behavior would not be embraced today because we are in New Testament days. Also It seems odd that you wouldn't even look at that passage and recognize it was a practice done in those days and if your justification of hitting children is true, then stoning them to death is just as valid, your failure to see such can make you to appear either ignorant or dishonest
generalcrash777 10 months ago
Finally, you show your dishonesty by making a false claim that I don't support the discipline of children. I do support structured discipline, but the question is if beating, hitting, or whatever you want to call it (to feel good about your own behavior) should be part of the equation. You also draw a false dilemma that if we are not hitting, we are not disciplining, but you fail to taking into account that alternative exists that work better than hitting, according to modern science and people.
generalcrash777 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88 you want to change the topic of discussion now because u cant defend ur argument on spanking? alright, i need to know where u found your info that spanking has not been linked to any deaths.
omgtaylorswift01 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88 also, generalcrash777 did prove u wrong numerous times. i also proved ur wrong. we didnt talk down to u. we just gave u the facts. ur the one who is ignoring reality. as human beings, we have an obligation to try to educate people who are a threat to children and u r a threat.
omgtaylorswift01 10 months ago
if people cared about the well being of their children they wouldn't care about corporal punishment they would care more about the bullying. kids these days don't commit suicide because they were spanked by thier teachers they commit suicide because of excessive bullying so why not campaign that instead
bosstanaka88 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88 i see. so again, instead of discussing why u believe n spanking, u try to find a flaw with me and now your trying to find a flaw with my youtube profile. as if doing so gives you a pass for supporting violence when u cant give one legit reason to back ur opinion up.
omgtaylorswift01 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88 dont try to play the victim. you commented on this video with your opinion that is based on NOTHING. if you put your opinion out there, expect to be confronted on it. if u refuse to accept proven facts because of religion, expect to be humiliated. you are a danger to children and i hope you will avoid them.
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bosstanaka88 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88 the only thing you didnt discuss is a rational reason why u believe n spanking. i asked u to do that a long time ago and u cant. thus, u have to try to find some flaw with me personally to take attention off ur no argument. if u pray, pray that God gives u the ability to think for yourself and stop commenting on videos with your nonsense.
omgtaylorswift01 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88 god is unrelated to a discussion about spanking. u did a nice job of turning the conversation away from spanking so you could begin arguing about religion which cannot be proven or disproven. u then tried to argue that i have a character flaw because i dont believe n your imaginary friend.
omgtaylorswift01 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88 if u believe n things that cant be proven and u oppose things that have been proven, then what can we say. u r hopeless. there is nothing admirable about you using a fantasy book to justify child violence. i want to know the truth about world issues. if all u have is fantasy to argue ur point with, then this isnt a real discussion. good luck to ne children n your care.
omgtaylorswift01 10 months ago
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bosstanaka88 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88 i understand that u r a pro spanker and that u think spanking and abuse are different concepts. what i am concerned about is that u cant give 1 logical scientific reason that u support it and it concerns me that u think some violence for children is ok but not all violence. that is not rational. supporting spanking just for the hell of it when it has proven harmful is sick.
omgtaylorswift01 10 months ago
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bosstanaka88 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88 your imaginary friend is not a leading authority on spanking, sorry. it doesnt matter whether someone attended a paddling school, they can still know by reading a book or doing a google search that spanking is harmful. i saw innocent kids being beaten n school. this caused me to examine the effectiveness of spanking, i suggest u do the same. we never said ignorance was bad but that doesnt mean that we are going to quietly watch as u advocate child violence.
omgtaylorswift01 10 months ago
@omgtaylorswift01 Stockholm syndrome at its very best. Thos who are unable to justify there behavior will excuse thos who cause great pain in their lives. Putting blame on the people who they trusted for so long would be too painful for them. So, they put blame on themselves to excuse the abuser.
generalcrash777 10 months ago
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bosstanaka88 10 months ago
its just astounding to me that spanking is still a public debate. with the massive amount of research that shows the negative consequences of spanking, why r pro spankers desperately trying to keep it around. i challenge pro spankers to give me 1 legit, logical, proven fact that supports their position. but they cant. they can only use their extreme biases, e.g., what their parents taught them, to argue.
omgtaylorswift01 10 months ago
@generalcrash777 he never messaged me. he came up with the absurd statement that most serial killers were not spanked which is completely false. im giving up on these videos. they make me to angry. i read the same arguments by pro spankers n every video and when i confront them they either lie or say that i shouldnt listen to research.
omgtaylorswift01 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88 if u would like to debate this issue, please message me privately
omgtaylorswift01 10 months ago
@omgtaylorswift01
Dealing with prospankers is like speaking to a brick, no sence of scientific evidence will ever convince them to the contrary. But yeah, hope you can tell me how the debate went, your probably blew him out of the water.
generalcrash777 10 months ago
neither of u need to respond. i know im wasting my time. ur both morons who will cling to ur ignorance for dear life. i have done the research, i know the facts. u dont care about facts or reality and thats the way it will be. so good luck.
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bosstanaka88 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88 So, tell us about the amazing research you've done concerning spanking and possible outcomes. Unfortunately, your ignorance has excluded evidence that goes against reality. For example, states where studentssss are still beaten in schools have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, young people in jail, school violence and domestic violence. Better yet, let's have a debate right here on this video. What do you say?
generalcrash777 10 months ago
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bosstanaka88 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88 Sorry, that's not going to fly. Rather than referring me to a study to support your position, you direct me to a bible verse unrelated to the issue. For arguments sake, let's play anyways. First, the rod referred to in that verse is a shepard's rod. A good shepard never beat the sheep in his care. Could you imagine Jesus, who is classified as the greatest shepard beating his disciples? Finally, I have to ask, since you agree with old testament method ways of dealing with children
generalcrash777 10 months ago
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bosstanaka88 10 months ago
I wonder if you agree with stoning disrespectful and rebellious children to death as prescribed in Deuteronomy 18:18-21 and Exodus 21:15 & 17. As you may know the Bible makes no distinction between abuse and corporal punishment. This is coming from a Christian, but there is no going around the fact its objectively there. Also, I'm an activist and heard the cries for help from students who have been abused by educators under the guise of discipline and parents who cannot protect them.
generalcrash777 10 months ago
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generalcrash777 10 months ago
@generalcrash777 there is nothing here....but i will continue to pray for you....GOD BLESS XD
bosstanaka88 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88
I meant Deuteronomy 21:18-21
Second it's perfectly relavent. You're the one who brought in an irrelavent verse that doesn't have to do with educators. Finally, If you support beating children, what's not going to stop you from supporting something supported by scripture, the death penalty for disrespectful and rebellious children.
generalcrash777 10 months ago
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use," Galileo. Since you don't believe in science it's seems fair to ask if you think the Earth goes around the Sun or is it the other way as prescribed by the church in the 1500s? I will also pray for you that you can find peaceful ways of handling childre rather than the violent ways of hitting them.
generalcrash777 10 months ago
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bosstanaka88 10 months ago
@bosstanaka88 Okay, we can play that game. Name me one (1) verse in the New Testament where Jesus advocates the beating of a child or any of his disciples? If you cannot find any, then you have no room to feel qualified to answer any theological question concerning child discipline and Christianity. Also, since Christianity is based off the teachings of Jesus and you're beating children, then why are you doing it?
generalcrash777 10 months ago
Finally, why are you ignoring my point of if you agree with old testament ways of dealing with children, then why not stone disrespectful children to death as prescribed in Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and Exodus 21:15 & 17? This will handle the issue quickly and swiftly and at the same time lower the Earth's population. ( it's sarcasm for those who will use this against me)
generalcrash777 10 months ago
I would present evidence to you, but that involves scientific and psychological research wich doesn't phase you. Here's evidence due to inference, why do states where student striking is still sanctioned have the highest rates of teen pregnancy, crime rates, domestic violence, and school violence? Along with your Bible searching of finding when would Jesus strike any of his disciples, you've got plenty to chew on.
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bosstanaka88 10 months ago
@JBthebirdhunter no, thats not even anywhere close to the fact. any reputable scholarly paper or research study will tell u that. and to attribute a lack of paddling to a society problem of no respect when that problem is caused by numerous sources isnt to bright either. that would be like me saying that depression is a problem because husbands arent allowed to burn their wives with a cigarette.
omgtaylorswift01 11 months ago
@mstremski also, how dare u talk about ur fathers beatings and giving ur kids ass whippings as if that is a life to aspire 2. if ur family turned out well, thats great. but to attribute this success to spanking is irrational, ignorant, dillusional, and contradicts research.
omgtaylorswift01 11 months ago
@mstremski im so tired of that argument that i want to puke. who gives a fuck about ur families careers or grades. that is unrelated to spanking. the percentage of incarcerated offenders n this country that were spanked is almost 100 percent.
omgtaylorswift01 11 months ago
I believe paddling should be legal in school. Unruly children do need to be punished. Believe me when I grew up, if I ever got a paddling at school (only happened to me when I was in the first grade) then I sure was guaranteed to get another one when I got home. It taught me to always follow the rules in school.
NightGuardianAngel 11 months ago
People need to quit whining about their unruly kids getting a swat in school. I received my share of them, and I deserved every one of them. I usually got the option (tho not always) of getting a swat or having the teacher/principle call my parents. My Pops woulda light me up a lot worse than any swat would, so that's the route I always took. I've got 3 kids now, & all 3 have taking an ass-whipping when warranted. My oldest son is in the U.S. Army, my other 2 kids are on the honor roll.
mstremski 11 months ago
Another clueless liberal.
jkingsmill 1 year ago
I use to think coporal punishment was okay because I've never been paddled or in any serious trouble but to think my future children could be paddled doesn't set well with me.
dynomite2011 1 year ago
Its amazing how people have all day to dream up good causes
jerrysboys 1 year ago
im from the UK. i didnt even know it was legal in some american states!
thebutttunes 1 year ago
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In hebrews 12 there is a comparison being done between the carnal chastining of our flesh by our earthly fathers and the spiritual chastisment by our heavenly father. In verse 10 we see that the only one between the two that is profitable to the ones receiving it is that which comes from GOd. That which comes from our earthly fathers is not profitable to us but instead is done only to feed the pleasures of those that inflict it. This only "seems right to them" prov. 14:12
atterolevad 1 year ago
The lack of paddling is why kids grow up with no respect for anything. Paddling needs to be brought back. The fact is that it works!
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@JBthebirdhunter New Mexico has just banned corporal punishment! So now its 31 states that ban it and hopefully more states will follow. Those people who are in favor of CP are really losing badly!
YouthFreedomFighters 9 months ago
@JBthebirdhunter the thing is some people dont know the fine line of punishment and abuse
titanicman2 7 months ago
@JBthebirdhunter The fact is that no statistic justifies that claim. Case data does indicate that kids in almost all of these states have been hospitalized as a result of corporal punishment - yes, with sanctioned implements like canes and paddles.
Statistics also indicate significant risk of retaliation against staff through vandalism and open acts of violence. Mind, violence against staff who practice violence against kids is something that I support wholeheartedly.
LamiaDomina 7 months ago
good, kids are bad these days! paula probaly doesnt even have kids
usturoi2001 1 year ago 5
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your a dumb bitch shut up
aronsooker 1 year ago
damn paula
onthescene345 1 year ago
Corporal punishment is full of hipocracy and is not peacful or merciful and definitley not gentle so it can not be considered wisdom according to the new testiment's definition of wisdom. james 3:17-18 but the wisdom that is from above is first pure,then peaceable, gentle,and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hipocracy. and the fruite of the riteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
guidav123 1 year ago
Stop hitting kids on the head! However, spanking them should be legal everywhere on the planet! I can't tell you how much I hate when liberal hippies like this try to tell other people how to discipline their children. I was spanked and paddled in school, and I am better because of it. In my school, parents had to sign waivers to allow us to be spanked, and that worked just fine. I say, "Stop hitting your children, but keep on spanking them!" As for the hippies, mind your own business!
odesti 1 year ago
@odesti
ignorance is bliss isn't it? Your lack of knowledge concerning child development is jus astounding, but what I find most mind boggling is that you feel the need to tell scientist who have studied this discipline for a good amount of time to can it. Your examples prove absolutely nothing, if anything it proceeds to make you look ignorant. The same can be said from your, "Stop hitting, but keeping spanking remark."
generalcrash777 1 year ago
Just like there is a difference between proper wife chastizement and spousal abuse, what's the difference? Second is your spanked and turned out okay excuse. I can't tell you how many times I've heard this, but people seem to be quiet when I line it up with other behaviors using the same logic. Such as I smoke/ride a bike with a helmet/ride in my car without a seatbelt/was molested and turned out okay. Somehow this logic becomes faulty for anything else, but spanking.
generalcrash777 1 year ago
Finally, your clumping together of people who do not subscribe to your primitive ideas as, "Liberals," clearly demonstrates you have nothing to bring to the conversation. Before you judge me, I'm not a liberal, but a democratic moderate.
generalcrash777 1 year ago
Paddling used in the US is a shame!!! I thought they said this was the best country in the world..its a rich country. They dont use this in 3rd world countries anymore.. ITS A SHAME!
laluluke 1 year ago
@laluluke
I totally agree!
generalcrash777 1 year ago
I think that if schools are going to paddle they all should. Since few do today I think it is unfair that someone has to go to a government run school and be subject to CP just because of where they live. BTW hitting a student in the head isn't right and only the school admin should be allowed to paddle with parental consent. In theory I think schools should paddle, but in today's world I think they shouldn't.
billybassman21 1 year ago
I lived in 2 country's UK and Israel. I cant believe that in the USA the land witch declarer's to stand for freedom. things like that happen in Iran Syria & most 3rd world country's. Corporal Punishment practicer's clam Its a UK thing witch been outlawed since 1987 in Israel Evan in the home its not allows, so why in the US should be any different
ds0785 1 year ago
Ah yes another clueless liberal. Get a life and a hobby.
jkingsmill 1 year ago
I personally believe that paddling is acceptable. I Do Not believe that a teacher should be allowed to slap, punch or smack a child in the head or anywhere else because of disobedience. In my experiences we were paddled when we stepped sufficiently out of line, and there were rules about how hard we could be hit and if we were hit too hard there could be repercussions. I believe in corporal punishment, but there must be rules to watch over the children.
Halfbaked139 1 year ago
@Halfbaked139 This is not the colonial days. If such methods are used it should only be used by the parents and with limits.
Christoph777 1 year ago
@Christoph777 I'm not that old. We were paddled back in the 80's, and I saw no problem with it then. If anything we kind of looked at it as a rite of passage. You took your licks, you moved on. I will never condone beating a child with a rod, but paddling kept me out of serious trouble because it taught me that there were prices to be paid for breaking the rules, and as you grow older there are prices to pay for breaking laws.
Halfbaked139 1 year ago
@Halfbaked139 Like I said, I see no reason why it shouldn't be only the parents that use such methods, if such methods are even used at all.
Christoph777 1 year ago
and on another tangent, the fact we do not discipline our children because we are too afraid of going to jail for child abuse is absolutely STUNNING, which is also in combination with the amount of sugar our children take in as well as a lack of discipline that leads to ADD and ADHD and other such "illnesses" that SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN TREATED WITH DRUGS WHEN A GOOD OLD FASHIONED SMACK ON THE BUM WOULD HAVE STOPPED IT FROM HAPPENING! TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR YOUR CHILDREN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!
unkledamian 1 year ago
1st, let me state that I am a Father, and Ordained Minister. I am 28 years old and as far as Im concerned SPANKING was never the issue. The reason for this SURGE in anti spanking is because of a group of people who were being legitimately abused as children and as adults. As for the act of spanking your child, I will quote the bible when it says "spare the rod and spoil the child" does this mean I want everyone to go out and abuse their kids? NO!! it means YOU GOT SPANKED & TURNED OUT FINE!!
unkledamian 1 year ago
@unkledamian
Just for your information, "spare the rod, spoil the child," is not in the Bible, it's in a 16th century poem by Samuel Butler, wich was about sex. While we're on this subject, the closest thing to this saying in the Bible is Proverbs 13:24 wich is about the careful discipline of children. First, if you look at the original text, the word, "Rod" refers to a shepard's rod, wich was used to guide sheep, not beat them. When has Jesus ever beaten the sheep in his flock, under his care?
generalcrash777 1 year ago
@generalcrash777 My thoughts to you are this, if you have never spent time on a farm, then you need to. because SOME sheep need more GUIDANCE than others, and that guidance isnt ALWAYS soft, gentile, reaffirming, loving and caring. quite the contrary. as for the sheep in Jesus's flock, how many of us say "oh it was gods will that I got into that accident, it changed my" or "IF I hadn't DIED from that Overdose I never would have found god" Jesus beats us, its just called "gods will"
unkledamian 10 months ago
If you want proof, look at the dictionary of the King James Bible.
Second, in your comment, you say that we should spank and not beat. The Bible doesn't make it clear where that fine line is, in fact, Solomon called for the flogging of criminals, so when has that been advocated by yourself lately. Finally, if you're right, for arguements sake, let's look at other prescriptions that the OT gives about children. If the OT gives you the Okay to beat them, these things must be right too?
generalcrash777 1 year ago
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the
gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, `This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.`
generalcrash777 1 year ago
Continued
Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death. "Whoever steals a man, whether he sells him or is found in possession of him, shall be put to death. "Whoever curses his father or his mother shall be put to death.
Exodus 21:15-17
I can keep going if you would like? I have more.
generalcrash777 1 year ago
It's too long, but how about killing your children or other family members if they tempt you to worship other gods, Deuteronomy 13
But, why stop at child beating, let also bring back slavery, wife beating, and religious warfare. Now, all these words are coming from a Christian, but there is no doubt that they are objectively there. Finally your claim that spanking an witholding sugar is the cure for ADHD clearly shows your utter ignorance in child developmen and child psychology.
generalcrash777 1 year ago
@generalcrash777 you know I noticed you didnt once mention proverbs in full quotation let me help you
Proverbs 13:24 (King James Version) 24He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.
now, where does that say "the careful discipline of children." implied or otherwise? it doesnt say beat your son or daughter to death, but it surely doesnt state using means to discipline is a bad thing, whatever the object *within reason* is.
unkledamian 10 months ago
@unkledamian, Well, I guess using your logic, when bad things happen to good people, it shows that Jesus beats people abritrarily without concern. That really sounds like the Lord I worship? Nevertheless, I'll play your game. Find for me a passage in the NT where Jesus supports, prescribes, or even does the beating of his disciples? It is clear in scripture that he corrects his disciples, but good luck trying to find where hitting is in the equation.
generalcrash777 10 months ago
Shame on you for making Jesus appear to be a sadist. Second, I looked at that verse one more time and according to the "RSV" Diligent to discipline. Now, this puts a dent in your arguement because I would like to know how hitting is diligent? Rather than the other methods that do take sometime, but are less harmful than hitting. Finally, find for me a passage anywhere that discriminates a beating and what is not?
generalcrash777 10 months ago
The reason is because I can one up you because the scripture also prescribes that disrespectful and rebellious children ought to recieve the death penalty as prescribed in Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and Exodus 21:15 & 17
So do you believe the death penalty should be enforced for disrespectful and rebellious children?
generalcrash777 10 months ago
@generalcrash777 lets see, who's in charge of the street gangs? certainly doesnt look like a bunch of middle aged men. so you tell me who deserves to die? I would like to know. seeing as you are willing to say and pass judgment on myself, what gives you the right to insinuate I would wish death on a child that still had hope of being turned away from a bad path? for shame.
unkledamian 10 months ago
A student doesn't have to let a teacher or administrator paddle him or her. The student could simply refuse to cooperate and walk away from the school.
YouthFreedomFighters 1 year ago
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xs11000 1 year ago
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xs11000 1 year ago
I am against paddling in schools, I think it is barbaric. But I thought getting swatted in school was interesting, and I played spanking games with friends. Really, parents should protect their kids from abuse. It should not be a political fight. If parents don't want their kids swatted, they should home-school or send them to a private school. Kids who want to get paddled can do swat meets voluntarily.
rhmw77 1 year ago
. when i was in school the teachers got pleasure out of paddleing students. and they always found a reason for doing it. I was paddled in school one time because i didnt know the answer to a math problem and my mother went up to the school and my teacher had to tell me he was sorry in front of my whole class and now he is in jail for touching two little girls. Hell of a school system isnt it.
smalltownme19 1 year ago
I do believe in spanking but if my child needs a spanking i will be the one doing it. Teachers dont have any right to spank a child unless a parent tells them they can and i for one will not tell them that they can.
smalltownme19 1 year ago
I agree totally schools have no place
Techexplisiv 1 year ago
So I don't get it...someone enlighten me. If an underage girl wears a short skirt to school instead of sending her home they are gonna have her bend over by some random old guy & spank her?! What if he likes it?! Umm sexually motivating?!
imtheshitduh 1 year ago
@imtheshitduh Omg god u read my mind. Actually, that event has already happened and has been justified. I agree, if a principal is a pervert, he would want to make excuses to spank girls (specially the pretty ones), and what if he has some sort of spanking fetish? If there's going to be corporal punishment (Wich there shouldn't be, because teacher's overuse their power), then it should just be in the hand with a ruler (Like in my school, years ago), Thank you for your comment!
mickey3348 1 year ago
They just revived it in Texas a few days ago, :(
Luigiforbrawl765 1 year ago
Paula spanking is good for kids. Spare the rod and spoil the child. You are the instrument of the devil to derail discipline. I spanked my child. Now she washes her plate after eating, she goes to bet on time, she does her home work before any other thing.
ezeimo 1 year ago
@ezeimo
Your story proves nothing.
For kicks, look up the boy who got even with his dad for his 1000th spanking. The boy who kept a written record swore that the 1000th spanking would be the last and it was.
Paula Flowe is a hero to children abused under the vail of discipline. In fact, many see her as an angel from heaven
generalcrash777 1 year ago
You are amazing! The Hitting Stops Here is a great idea and I hope that someday we will stop all corporal punishment in America. Great job and God bless
1219Lizzy 1 year ago
I believe in corporal spanking. I went to Catholic School in Pasadena Texas, And I was spanked alot at school. I think to many people over express themselves on this matter. Now as far as physically beating kids senseless is wrong. This matter im against. But yes we should keep spanking in schools. Some children are totally out of control wont listen, act out, and this needs to stop.
AlaskanPrince 1 year ago
If they're out of line, beat them back in. It's almost certain most of them need it!
whiteyrhodie 1 year ago
Touching a student's buttocks is a perverted practice, I don't understand why they accept this....Why if the teacher is a pervert?? (It has happened) Spanking should be donde for sexual purpose only.
MIM984 1 year ago
@MIM984 Thank you! I'm so glad someone feels the same way I do.
imtheshitduh 1 year ago
And it should be sanctioned in all 50.
jgh57 1 year ago 8
Dear Jgh57,
Thank you for writing.
Please take time to read the first 5 pages of the GAO, ACLU and UC Davis Law Review located at the top of our Home page near photo of hand holding paddle.
Also, please read Plain Talk About Spanking. The link is under Hot Topics in left column on Home page.
There are peaceful ways of solving EVERY conflict. Educators will help society by being examples of using them.
Best regards,
Paula Flowe
paulaflowe 1 year ago
@paulaflowe
I don't know what the policy is in US public schools in the states where corporal punishment is still allowed is but in Canada, before it was abolished,it was an option.
For example, a student could choose between:
X hours of detention
X amount of written lines or
X swats from the strap or paddle.
Is this the protocol in the States?
thegirl44 1 year ago
and your merit to support such a claim?
Come on Behavioral Psychologist, take your best shott.
generalcrash777 1 year ago
@jgh57 okay im the only one that will spank my child no teacher or principle will lay a hand on my kid. and no it should not be in all 50 states. If i found out a teacher hit any of my kids .. omg if i found out a teacher hit any of my kids .. i will go nuts on his or her ass. like i said im the ONLY one who spanks my children.
sw20008 1 year ago
When corporal punishment came into the schools, we didn't have an understanding of psychological effects it could potentially have. I know from experience that getting hit for something I didn't do still sticks with me 24 years later! A false accusation was all it took! My state didn't ban it until I was a senior in high school!! That's 1994 btw.
pika62221 1 year ago
Yeah, I got 3 licks because the teacher believed the girl over the boy- what a surprise! SHE lied, I get punished!!!!!
pika62221 1 year ago
its a crock too let anyone that is not a part our community to tell us how too raise our kids or teach or disipline our kids you keep neo liberal crap up north stay the fuck out of our community.
thenewsandviews2 1 year ago
Sorry, you're way off the mark. It's an American Issue and a Human Rights Issue. You remind me of a classical arguement for paddling.
"It's the will of the community."
Substitute any other issue for corporal punishment and people finally see the flaw. I'll do it right now in front of you. Let's take ... Selling alcohol to kids.
Our town is made up primarily of Central Europeans and in their homeland, everyone drinks, even kids. It's the will of our community to freely sell beer to anyone?
generalcrash777 1 year ago
Corporal punishment, when administered correctly for the right reasons works. Now BEATING children or students ...absolutely NOT. I recall in Jr high school where a Gym teacher literally beat up a fellow student in his office (punched him with his fists, threw him around) in a violent manner. The boy came out of that office crying and urinated himself. That teacher should have been arrested for assault and battery and fired on the spot. The boy's crime...he wasn't wearing his gym socks.
nobux60 2 years ago
"Corporal punishment, when administered correctly for the right reasons works"
Thats just it, alot of times it isnt applied properly.
Also, why is it that the States with the highest Corporal Punishment rate ALSO have the highest drop out rate, teen pregnancy rate and now the highest crime rate?
Also nobux, how does "that" teacher about to hit a child with a board, know if the child is being hit or abused also at home?
How do you draw the line between 'hurt' and "ingury" with C.P?
fitasafiddle123 2 years ago
This isnt so much the problem of corporal punishment in the schools as much as a lack of interest in the parents, or poverty level, the majority of teen pregnancy is due to fatherless families or a continuation of a 'family tradition', mom had me when she was 16 why cant I. Do some more research, the way I had to for final thesis in school. I was astounded by what I found. It has more to do with the example set at home, is there respect enforced or do the kids run the house?
aarnesto 2 years ago
of course, i agree, it ALL starts at home.
But it has been proven, time and time again, you dont need to hit to discipline.
The States with the highest Corporal Punishment rate ALSO have the highest teen pregnancy rate, highest drop out rate and the highest crime rates.
fitasafiddle123 2 years ago
and how high is the poverty rate, the single parent rate, and academic achievement in those same areas? While affluence is not a barrier to all those things mentioned, it is a major contributing factor in all, to include crime. It is proven that ALL of these things contribute. When CP was prevalent in schools and homes, this was a SAFER country, and nothing you can say will refute that. The proof is in the police reports, the crime statistics, the teen pregnancy statistics.
aarnesto 2 years ago
Its not what i am saying, it is a fact.
The fact is, the problems you see today with our youth,are in no way, a result of the banning of Corporal Punishment in schools.
Both parents working, no time to spend with their children, or to talk with them.
Schools that have dropped Corporal Punishment have by far, seen an improvement in children/teacher relations.
fitasafiddle123 2 years ago
i agree that most students dont need to be swatted, but what do you do with the ones that have no interest in following the rules? the ones that believe they are being cool by 'sticking it to the man'? do you just expel them and continue the cycle of ignorance and disrespect? I think that those kind of situations would benefit from a CP kind of punishment. But again these are my experiences and my opinions, though i have lived most of my life outside the US both in my upbringing and profession
aarnesto 2 years ago
I agree that all misbehavior does not warrant a spanking and i will say that again ALL MISBEHAVIOR DOES NOT WARRANT A SPANKING!! But do not limit yourself to just a talking to, or a time out. If you review my comments I agree with you that some kids dont need spankings, my middle child obeys with just a stern look when she is in trouble, the eldest does not, she is actually more disrespectful when we try the AP stuff (attachment parenting) which is a totally non spanking type of parenting.
aarnesto 2 years ago
i also believe that we need to level the playing field. with all the violence in schools against teachers and other students, the metal detectors, the school uniforms and dress codes problems, maybe we should allow the teachers to carry firearms in school .... i mean that way they dont have to be scared of their students, (all sarcastic of course). But when students hold all the aces and dont have to abide by the rules because the worst they have to fear is expulsion whats the incentive?
aarnesto 2 years ago
and just a bit more about my background, i was an abused child (in the strictest sense of the term) I was punished with belts, shoes, slaps to the face with both hands and the belt. I agree that there needs to be a measure of restraint. I married a girl that didnt finish high school, got pregnant with out first child at 18 and didnt have a father in her life. she went to non cp schools and lived in a middle class neighborhood. And many of her friends did the same, so it isnt just a CP thing.
aarnesto 2 years ago
I am so sorry to hear about your abuse aarnesto. Very sad to see this and hear about it.
I grew up with a close freind who was abused both at school and at home. His back would be covered in scares from the beatings he got at home and then to come to school and get the Strap?
No teacher knows exactly what is going on in any childs life in the home.
fitasafiddle123 2 years ago
and i think that is where the system breaks down, when there is no communication between the parents and the teacher so that either one could have stopped the ABUSE. But again the things you are stating are a far cry from a swat given with the hand on the butt, one swat to the butt, anything else is ABUSE.
aarnesto 2 years ago
Here is the bottom line aarnesto,
As long as "teachers" are allowed to hit kids wth boards, there will always be a child "harmed" both physically and mentally at the hands of an abusive teacher.
Where do you draw that invisible line in the sand between "hurt" and "injure" when spanking a child?
CP needs to be banned completely in my view.
Peace:)
fitasafiddle123 2 years ago
and that is totally OK there is room for opinions on everything. thank you for your comments and I hope an open debate can be had and no recriminations dealt against those that do not agree with your own. Have a great 2010!!
aarnesto 2 years ago
All the best to you as well aarnesto in 2010
The ones that dont follow the rules? No one said raising a child was easy. To give up and finally say i am going to hit you with this board solves nothing. All it does is instill more hatred or fear into that child. That child that wont follow the rules by all means needs more attention givinen to him/her.
"Good behaviour is instilled in the mind, not the behind"
fitasafiddle123 2 years ago
oops...."injury"..lol
Also nobux, the top public schools in the USA have NO corporal punishment at all.
It has been proven that you can raise a child without hitting them. To me, Corporal Punishment is an age old, barbaric, out dated, English Imported, lazy mans way of dealing with children.
fitasafiddle123 2 years ago
Corporal punishment, if used correctedly workss:
Unfortunately you fail to see their is no proper way to use legalized assault and battery. I challenge you to finally put verbs in your sentences. Find 1, just 1 scientific article that proves corporal punishment works and no, Your personal antidote doesn't count and won't fly with educated persons seeking evidence.
I didn't grow up to be a hitter:
It's just as valid as saying I rode my bike at top speed without a helmet and I turned out okay.
generalcrash777 2 years ago
How about doing a little more homework on your spelling.
nobux60 2 years ago
What have you become, the spelling nazi?
How doing a little psychology and child development homework yourself.
generalcrash777 2 years ago
..this isnt about spelling nobux, its about Legal Child Abuse as HAS been proven!
fitasafiddle123 2 years ago
Good, I'm glad it's still legal to spank... I got my fair share of them when I was younger. Granted you're right, teachers shouldn't be "hitting" kids in the head, but spankings SHOULD be administered still.
shostetler 2 years ago 2
Dear Shostetler,
Please take time to read the ACLU, GAO and UC Davis Law Review. Reading the first 3 pages of each will give you lots of important information.
They are on our Home page near the top near a photo of a man's hand holding a paddle.
The Hitting Stops Here dot Comm.
Thank you for writing.
Paula Flowe
paulaflowe 2 years ago
That's true, it is administered in much higher numbers to boys and to non-white children. I hate it---but I think the problem is convincing the parents. I worked at two different schools that were predominantly black. I can tell you that most of the parents I spoke with would not hesitate to admit they spanked at home. And, in the South, most parents are pro-spank. You've got to convince the parents first.
moonrice555 2 years ago
I think another obstacle is the fact that a lot of people are VERY offended at the idea of parenting classes. They feel it's an infringement, an insult to their abilities.
moonrice555 2 years ago
I'm glad it's still happening:
Well you can tell that to Mitchal Johnson who after a paddling came to school the next and killed 4 people and the teacher who paddled him, it worked there didn't it. Tell that to all the cases that wonderful people have been ruined with one experience of corporal punishment.
Spanking should be administered:
Despite many people hold this point of view, no scientific evidence suggest that this form of violent punishment has benefits. It has no merit.
generalcrash777 2 years ago
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nobux60 2 years ago
I agree shostetler....When I was paddled in school, it was my fault, not my parents or the teacher or the other students. Paddling taught me respect. The color of the teacher made no difference. I had a sensitive "ego" too but a paddling didn't make me kill other students or teachers. It made me sit down, think about what I did and to be quiet. It didn't turn me into threat to society. Why? Maybe it is because the ACLU's rhetoric wasn't focused on then.
nobux60 2 years ago
Hey, if you want, we can have a debate, you can post your comments and I'll post mine. For starters, I'll anser you're first point you asked me earlier that paddling doesn't create disfunctional adults. First, when children are witnesses or participate in violent punishment, their brain grows confortable to violence to a means of problem solving. After all, Mr. A hits and it's okay, I guess hitting must be okay. It's the behavior that's being modeled. Also when participants of buttocks beating
generalcrash777 2 years ago
wish to get revenge, they choose to take their aggression out on other people who refused to help them. We have a mountains of scientific data that demonstrates that paddled behinds causes many of our social ills such as drug use, drop out rates, teen pregnancy, crime, and others. One thing I didn't mention, but will explain here, school paddlings causes depression. If you don't believe me, google this: tragic side of classroom punishment and you will learn of an 8 year old who wanted
generalcrash777 2 years ago
to commit suicide after repeated classroom paddlings. Research has also demonstrated in that report that over 2 decades of researchers that hav amounted to over 2 dozen students threatening to commit suicide ater paddlings. What do we tell that 8 year old boy, tough luck kid but corporal punishment still needs to be used? It's your fault if you do die?
generalcrash777 2 years ago
"a paddling didn't make me kill other students"
No, maybe not you, but it has with others my friend.
Check out Paula's site, check out the INJURIES to children... as the result of a so called "paddling" ..more like BEATING to me. And it will happen again, rest assured.
fitasafiddle123 2 years ago
Consequently, I didn't grow up being a hitter either.
nobux60 2 years ago
Hey shostetler,
Sheesh, yeah, i didnt wear a helmut riding my bike growing up and i am ok.
I also didnt wear a seat belt in my parents car but i am ok today. Things could have been different.
SPANKINGS? Is that what you call it when a child comes home from school with testicular damage from being hit to hard with a board?? Think it never happens?
Check out Paula's site and see for yourself ok?
fitasafiddle123 2 years ago
I don't agree with abuse, and clearly testicular damage is abuse. The fact remains however that the physical STING a child gets from a spanking against his/her bare ass gets their attention. It did mine, and though I hated it, it made me respect my parents and teachers for it. I didn't kill anybody or become violent. Spanking needs to be done correctly and with a stern talking to beforehand of WHY the punishment has come to that when all else (grounding, time out, etc) has failed.
shostetler 2 years ago
It didnt bother you? You are ok? Well, i didnt wear a helmut on my bike growing up, both my parents smoked, i didnt wear a seat belt in the car, and it didnt bother me, could have been worse though.
Spanking needs to be done correctly? Thats just it, it never is when administered by an angry teacher wielding a 2 ft long board shostetler.
IF spanking is administered, it should be by the PARENT(s) only, if at all.
Btw, the top 10 US public schools have no Corporal Punishment, at all.
fitasafiddle123 2 years ago
I agree that spanking is BEST administered by the parent, i am only 35 and I remember that when i was a kid my folks would let the parents of my friends spank me if i misbehaved and it was a big deterrent to misbehaving. All I am saying is that teachers should not have their hands tied, they spend more time with our kids than most of us do. I homeschool and am a stay at home dad right now. I have always said that the punishment should fit the crime, NOT EVERY offense is spank worthy.
aarnesto 2 years ago
@shostetler So you don't agree with hitting them in the head, but you agree with touching their butts? lolz.
mickey3348 1 year ago
It's dreadful.
blondemax 2 years ago
Blondemax,
It is dreadful.
Please learn how you can help by going to The Hitting Stops Here dot Comm. Go to Hot Topics and see our Message Board. Please read Letter 8 that you will find there.
Thank you and please help spread the word.
Best regards,
Paula Flowe
paulaflowe 2 years ago
I cannot belive this happens in United States....I have never heard of that until today....Was that a secret of something like that?
mickey3348 2 years ago
Dear Mickey3348,
It is one of America's most shameful dark secrets. Primary targets are Black children, Native Americans, Latinos,other minorities, low income, and children with special needs.
Do you see a pattern?
We need the help of concerned Americans.
If you are willing to help us end this American scourge, please go to The Hitting Stops Here Dot Comm. On the left side of the Home page see Hot Topics. Click on Message Board.
Please read Letter 8.
Thank you for writing.
Paula Flowe
paulaflowe 2 years ago