I mean coal plants for generating electricity use about 1 ton of coal for 2000Kw of electricity!
So what happens to the rest of the heat difference assuming 1 ton of coal contains about 8000 Kw of energy?
What interests me is that by burning 1 kg of anthracite or petroleum coke( wich equals to about 8Kw) at a stove efficiency of let's say 70% the heat value in Kw that gets released in the room would be around 5,6Kw?
If so,anthracite stoves are the best way to heat a house!
@Ashcat743 I can't post a link here (I guess), but Google search NEPA Crossroads. It is a message board for us coal burners. Join for free. Have all your questions answered. Do you have the ability to take photos of your stoves? Whatever you're using for exhaust for wood burning can likely be used for coal too--coal exhaust is generally cooler than wood.
@Ashcat743 I'll join NEPA Crossroads and post some photos of these 2 stoves wich I don't use!
Some say they would be damaged fairly quickly from the heat that coke or anthracite coals have!
Too much calorific value for them!
That's why I was thinking about stoves made out of thin metal sheet(stainless),although the"bed of fire" should be made out of thick steel sheet(high melting point,about 1500 degrees celcius)or cast iron(lower melting point,but almost the same if you forget to close the air)
@gabigowriel My stove is constructed of 1/4 inch steel, except that the loading door and shaker grates on the floor of the firebox are cast iron. I'll look for you on NEPA Crossroads. Many people there far more knowledgeable than I regarding your ideas about thin stainless construction.
Also,I can get petroleum coke with a value of about 8,2kw for one kg(about 2 pounds) from Focsani wich is about 40 km North from were I live,for 235 dollars a ton!
This town Focsani is the closest;there are other near Ploiesti at Rompetrol refineries!
What do you think?
Isn't it more energy efficient to directly burn coal in a metal stove and thus the energy in coal (8,2Kw for 1 kg),be directly released in the air surrounding the stove?
I'll probably keep the central heating for hot water and cooking!
Couldn't be that expensive for those purposes alone!
In the summer the average consumption per month is around 50 cubic meters of gas(about 20 dollars for a monthly bill).
I just love the way it burns that coal stove, and if not now in the middle of the winter, in the spring/summer I'll install a coal stove,maybe two in different locations and give it a go with these coals!
@gabigowriel You are fortunate to be in Romania! I use propane for cooking and hot water, just as you would use gas, and get the tank filled only about once per year. If you have access to anthracite, you will see essentially NO smoke whatsoever. Anthracite requires air coming up through the coalbed from below, so be sure your stove has vents in the ashpan doors, and grates (the floor of the firebox) that can be rocked in order to drop the ashes. Do you have a chimney that you use for the stove?
@Ashcat743 :-)Some swear this country but I'm sure life can be a lot worse else were!Anyway:I never burned anthracite and have no ideea how to use it;that's how I ended up to your video :-) .
Right now there are 2 tiled stoves wich haven't been used for about 2-3 years...
One in the kitchen and one in the living room build half in that room and half in another room;when it was fired it worked great but after burning a lot of wood so to get hot!
@Ashcat743 I start thinking of better and cheaper fuels for direct combustion in a small stove made out of cast iron or thin sheet of stainless steel so that the heat be released fast in the room!
These tiled stoves need a lot of wood/fuel to get hot,so in my opinion they are a bit inefficient compared to cast iron or other stoves!
I also got to this conclusion after looking into those barrel-stoves and it seems logical that fuel(coal/wood)burned in those would release heat a lot faster in air!
@gabigowriel Thin stove walls might be best for wood, but not for coal, which takes awhile to start but burns A LONG time (10-18 hour burn times are common). Your heavy cast iron, tiled stove is ideal for coal--assuming it is designed to burn coal, with shakeable grates and underfire air source. Post pictures if you can to NEPA Crossroads.
@Ashcat743 The stoves I have are tiled stoves not cast iron(although I'd wish they were cast iron...).
That's why I was thinking about thin stainless for the radiant surface wich should also be as big as possible to dissipate the heat/energy from coals better!
These are just some ideeas wich came into my mind after some "study" of stoves in general terms!
For an insulated home the heat from the burned fuel should be released as fast as possible wich is ideal for the long burn time of coals!
@gabigowriel Thanks for the comments. I have a fairly large firebox, and the least amount of coal I could burn a day and still keep a fire in it is about 25 lbs (about 11.3 kg). I am heating about 350 square meters, and on cold days (15*F or -9*C) I may burn as much as 80 lbs (37 kg). For your space, a smaller stove firebox would be adequate and allow you to burn much less. You estimated coal needs sound about right given your space. Depending on your location, there may be (CONTINUED)
@Ashcat743 legal/regulatory obstacles to your use of coal. Western Europe is likely most difficult (for example, inspections, fees, etc.). If you're in a flat (apartment or condominium in US) you'd also have coal storage issues. Where do you live? Your cost is reasonable (at just under $300 per US short ton), so it's likely to be very competitive/attractive compared to gas heat. Depending on your climate, I'd guess you might burn around 2 tons per year.
We romanians,still have some liberty and regarding heating your home,one can burn just about anything and nobody/authority has nothing to say with this(just the smoke to be "reasonable"...).
I live in a house,about 115 square meters and there is lots of place inside the house to store cole!
After some calculations regarding gas,yes about 2 tons of coal would probably be enough!
Nice vid - most impressed with how clean the view glass is. I've been a wood & pellet burner for 4 years now and just now finished my second class A chimney to allow use of one of my two coal stoves - a coal Chubby and a PENN coal - both very nice hand stoked stoves. Coal is sooo much more efficient than wood - too bad prices outside of NEPA is so high nowadays.
@1acroyear1 -- I don't know much about biochar. I suspect, if it acts like charcoal, it wouldn't require air from below to burn, as anthracite does. If so, a stove capable of supplying air from below the fire, as this stove does, would be capable of burning biochar but wouldn't be necessary. A conventional wood-burning stove would probably be sufficient.
Got the same stove, love it so much I had to put a little video of it up. Great video. I love not sending my heating budget outside of PA. My "removable" baffle plate above the fire-box is deteriorating, any thoughts on replacement? I might have to get creative. I had a coal stove growing up, but never imagined the performance of a stove with a blower! Keep shoveling!
I'll check out your vid. The Hitzer people are always helpful with questions--they may be able to advise re baffle (or sell you a replacement), but getting it fabricated locally shouldn't be too hard. 1/4 inch steel with a single bend. Glad you like the stove, and the video!
My dad used to deliver bags of coal here in Northern Ontario fro home use. The Smelters were coal fired back then too. Then the natural gas came in and I have not seen any coal except for the few chunks the railway spilled. This fall on the picket line we stocked the fire with coal from the rail line to keep warm lol
Wish I could still buy bags of coal here. It made for warm fires.
Yes you could get some good heat out of bituminous by putting in, or on, an existing fire--I've done it myself to try with campfires, and works pretty well. Anthracite is a different story since it requires air from underneath. If you have a device dedicated to burning it, it's very nice, and clean. A company called Blaschak, here in PA, delivers bags of anthracite in a wide geographic area--not sure about Northern Ont. You could inquire about closest dealers at their website. Thanks.
yours has a fan too! mine is all draft, its a DS Stove from Lancaster county, its a boiler 145,000 BTU. No fan needed really. Mine doesn't relly burn the gasses like that though. How many BTU is yours?
Mine is listed at 80,000 BTU. It has two 100 cfm fans to wash air into room, but no combustion fan--natural draft only. I've heard great things about DS Stoves.
Jesse--anthracite coal requires air coming up through the coalbed from below, so woodstoves can't burn anthracite. You'd probably be able to burn a at least some amount of soft coal in a wood stove on top of a well-established wood fire--but very sooty/smoky/smelly. Coal stoves can burn wood very well, but size and shape of stove firebox may make burning wood impractical. The firebox in my stove, being large and square, can be used practically with wood.
Here in California coal heating is rare nowadays and kindof a dying art so to speak, but I enjoy it quite a bit. (I've even burned anthracite on the open grate in an older, small fireplace with some success.)
About the closest thing to coal-firing I've found around here is my Grandma's house on a ranch near Soledad, CA that has an oil-fired furnace in the basement. (Burns No. oil or No. 6 Bunker oil.) Now and again the tanker truck from Sturdy oil will come to fill up the tank in the basement.
Good coal is running anywhere between 140-190 per ton here in southeastern KY. I love it! The best source for heat I've ever used. I use an old Combustioneer hopper-fed stoker stove and it works great. Fill it up about once a week in 35-40 degree weather, give or take a day or two depending on temp. Nice video!
Thanks for posting!! Coal heating is becoming an lost art. In NL coal is at $ 600,- per 1000kg (about 390,- euro) and cost about half as much as natural gas that is used by 95 % of Dutch ppl.
Thanks Moose64. Shot with a Canon HG10, a 40 GB hard-disk high def camcorder. This was a low-light situation that the HG10 did fairly well with--but you should see its performance in sunlight conditions!
Depends on how close to coal (anthracite) country you are. I paid $199 per ton delivered in bulk, which lasted me (4000 square foot house, coal as only heat) about 5 weeks. If you were to pick up coal at the "breaker" (the coal processing facility--really all they do is break and then wash and sort coal according to lump size), prices are about $130-$160 per ton.
Lots of coal burners in New England, but they may pay as much as $300-325 per ton.
I meant to say each ton lasted about 5 weeks--I burned about 4.5 tons this past winter in total. Much cheaper than the propane I've been burning until this year, and kind of fun too, if you don't mind about 10 minutes work in AM and PM daily.
Cherry wood gives a lovely aroma on a solid fuel stove.
SimonWeir 1 month ago
My nickname there is gowriel!
I started "exploring" the forum but I had some other things to do+ my eyes "hurt" from too many hours of internet , so I had to take a break!
After all, there are other days ahead :-)
Now it's about 22:30 P.M. here in Romania,and while I took a "snack" in the kitchen, I thought to check on your video and answers!
For NEPA I'll leave it to tommorow!
:-)
by the way:some methane gas installer told me that cast iron heats up quickly and cools down hard!Ideal I would say
gabigowriel 1 month ago
I mean coal plants for generating electricity use about 1 ton of coal for 2000Kw of electricity!
So what happens to the rest of the heat difference assuming 1 ton of coal contains about 8000 Kw of energy?
What interests me is that by burning 1 kg of anthracite or petroleum coke( wich equals to about 8Kw) at a stove efficiency of let's say 70% the heat value in Kw that gets released in the room would be around 5,6Kw?
If so,anthracite stoves are the best way to heat a house!
gabigowriel 1 month ago
@gabigowriel Test
Ashcat743 1 month ago
Had trouble posting, so tested. Much of the energy (about two thirds) content of coal is lost in energy production, distribution and transmission.
Ashcat743 1 month ago
@Ashcat743 I can't post a link here (I guess), but Google search NEPA Crossroads. It is a message board for us coal burners. Join for free. Have all your questions answered. Do you have the ability to take photos of your stoves? Whatever you're using for exhaust for wood burning can likely be used for coal too--coal exhaust is generally cooler than wood.
Ashcat743 1 month ago
@Ashcat743 I'll join NEPA Crossroads and post some photos of these 2 stoves wich I don't use!
Some say they would be damaged fairly quickly from the heat that coke or anthracite coals have!
Too much calorific value for them!
That's why I was thinking about stoves made out of thin metal sheet(stainless),although the"bed of fire" should be made out of thick steel sheet(high melting point,about 1500 degrees celcius)or cast iron(lower melting point,but almost the same if you forget to close the air)
gabigowriel 1 month ago
@gabigowriel My stove is constructed of 1/4 inch steel, except that the loading door and shaker grates on the floor of the firebox are cast iron. I'll look for you on NEPA Crossroads. Many people there far more knowledgeable than I regarding your ideas about thin stainless construction.
Ashcat743 1 month ago
Also,I can get petroleum coke with a value of about 8,2kw for one kg(about 2 pounds) from Focsani wich is about 40 km North from were I live,for 235 dollars a ton!
This town Focsani is the closest;there are other near Ploiesti at Rompetrol refineries!
What do you think?
Isn't it more energy efficient to directly burn coal in a metal stove and thus the energy in coal (8,2Kw for 1 kg),be directly released in the air surrounding the stove?
gabigowriel 1 month ago
I'll probably keep the central heating for hot water and cooking!
Couldn't be that expensive for those purposes alone!
In the summer the average consumption per month is around 50 cubic meters of gas(about 20 dollars for a monthly bill).
I just love the way it burns that coal stove, and if not now in the middle of the winter, in the spring/summer I'll install a coal stove,maybe two in different locations and give it a go with these coals!
Thank you so much for this video and response!
bye bye!
gabigowriel 1 month ago
@gabigowriel You are fortunate to be in Romania! I use propane for cooking and hot water, just as you would use gas, and get the tank filled only about once per year. If you have access to anthracite, you will see essentially NO smoke whatsoever. Anthracite requires air coming up through the coalbed from below, so be sure your stove has vents in the ashpan doors, and grates (the floor of the firebox) that can be rocked in order to drop the ashes. Do you have a chimney that you use for the stove?
Ashcat743 1 month ago
@Ashcat743 :-)Some swear this country but I'm sure life can be a lot worse else were!Anyway:I never burned anthracite and have no ideea how to use it;that's how I ended up to your video :-) .
Right now there are 2 tiled stoves wich haven't been used for about 2-3 years...
One in the kitchen and one in the living room build half in that room and half in another room;when it was fired it worked great but after burning a lot of wood so to get hot!
No chimney yet,haven't thought of this
gabigowriel 1 month ago
@Ashcat743 I start thinking of better and cheaper fuels for direct combustion in a small stove made out of cast iron or thin sheet of stainless steel so that the heat be released fast in the room!
These tiled stoves need a lot of wood/fuel to get hot,so in my opinion they are a bit inefficient compared to cast iron or other stoves!
I also got to this conclusion after looking into those barrel-stoves and it seems logical that fuel(coal/wood)burned in those would release heat a lot faster in air!
gabigowriel 1 month ago
@gabigowriel Thin stove walls might be best for wood, but not for coal, which takes awhile to start but burns A LONG time (10-18 hour burn times are common). Your heavy cast iron, tiled stove is ideal for coal--assuming it is designed to burn coal, with shakeable grates and underfire air source. Post pictures if you can to NEPA Crossroads.
Ashcat743 1 month ago
@Ashcat743 The stoves I have are tiled stoves not cast iron(although I'd wish they were cast iron...).
That's why I was thinking about thin stainless for the radiant surface wich should also be as big as possible to dissipate the heat/energy from coals better!
These are just some ideeas wich came into my mind after some "study" of stoves in general terms!
For an insulated home the heat from the burned fuel should be released as fast as possible wich is ideal for the long burn time of coals!
gabigowriel 1 month ago
I made some "calculations" and I got the following:
1kg of antracite=2,4Kw
In my home(about 100 square meters)I use every winter month about 3,3 cubic meters of gas for heating and hot water(central heating).
That equals to 37kw every day!
If I would heat 100m2 with coals I would have to use 15 kg of coal every day(hot water not "included")so probably LESS,and 15kg coals=36Kw/day.
In my area antracite is 300 $ for a 1000kg/1 ton!
I have to do the math on water heating,but looks VERY GOOD so far!
gabigowriel 1 month ago
How much coal you insert at one time and what is the coal consumption for 24 hours with the fire set on "low"/little oxygen?
The methane gas companies are legally robbing me and I strongly intend to use a coal stove the next winter!
Very good video!
Thank you!
gabigowriel 1 month ago
@gabigowriel Thanks for the comments. I have a fairly large firebox, and the least amount of coal I could burn a day and still keep a fire in it is about 25 lbs (about 11.3 kg). I am heating about 350 square meters, and on cold days (15*F or -9*C) I may burn as much as 80 lbs (37 kg). For your space, a smaller stove firebox would be adequate and allow you to burn much less. You estimated coal needs sound about right given your space. Depending on your location, there may be (CONTINUED)
Ashcat743 1 month ago
@Ashcat743 legal/regulatory obstacles to your use of coal. Western Europe is likely most difficult (for example, inspections, fees, etc.). If you're in a flat (apartment or condominium in US) you'd also have coal storage issues. Where do you live? Your cost is reasonable (at just under $300 per US short ton), so it's likely to be very competitive/attractive compared to gas heat. Depending on your climate, I'd guess you might burn around 2 tons per year.
Ashcat743 1 month ago
@Ashcat743 Also, the stove needs tending generally twice per day--possibly once per day on warm days.
Ashcat743 1 month ago
@Ashcat743 I live in Romania,Buzau county!
We romanians,still have some liberty and regarding heating your home,one can burn just about anything and nobody/authority has nothing to say with this(just the smoke to be "reasonable"...).
I live in a house,about 115 square meters and there is lots of place inside the house to store cole!
After some calculations regarding gas,yes about 2 tons of coal would probably be enough!
It's a insulated house,so this would be a plus!
thank you!
Bye!!!
gabigowriel 1 month ago
Nice vid - most impressed with how clean the view glass is. I've been a wood & pellet burner for 4 years now and just now finished my second class A chimney to allow use of one of my two coal stoves - a coal Chubby and a PENN coal - both very nice hand stoked stoves. Coal is sooo much more efficient than wood - too bad prices outside of NEPA is so high nowadays.
Love this Hitzer insert. Thanks for sharing.
jjs777fzr 5 months ago
I WANT ONE!!!
lilmrbassoon 8 months ago
Will this work just as well with biochar made from wood?
1acroyear1 1 year ago
@1acroyear1 -- I don't know much about biochar. I suspect, if it acts like charcoal, it wouldn't require air from below to burn, as anthracite does. If so, a stove capable of supplying air from below the fire, as this stove does, would be capable of burning biochar but wouldn't be necessary. A conventional wood-burning stove would probably be sufficient.
Ashcat743 1 year ago
how would bituminous coal work with a heating stove?
0Weaver0 1 year ago
what kind of coal is good for pizza oven?
bastaki66 1 year ago
can you burn wood in that stove
firewoodguy2009 1 year ago
@firewoodguy2009
Yes, burns wood fine. EPA approved for coal only, but nice to know it'll do fine with wood.
Ashcat743 1 year ago
Got the same stove, love it so much I had to put a little video of it up. Great video. I love not sending my heating budget outside of PA. My "removable" baffle plate above the fire-box is deteriorating, any thoughts on replacement? I might have to get creative. I had a coal stove growing up, but never imagined the performance of a stove with a blower! Keep shoveling!
EgoDriven 2 years ago
I'll check out your vid. The Hitzer people are always helpful with questions--they may be able to advise re baffle (or sell you a replacement), but getting it fabricated locally shouldn't be too hard. 1/4 inch steel with a single bend. Glad you like the stove, and the video!
Ashcat743 2 years ago
My dad used to deliver bags of coal here in Northern Ontario fro home use. The Smelters were coal fired back then too. Then the natural gas came in and I have not seen any coal except for the few chunks the railway spilled. This fall on the picket line we stocked the fire with coal from the rail line to keep warm lol
Wish I could still buy bags of coal here. It made for warm fires.
northerbrewer 2 years ago
Yes you could get some good heat out of bituminous by putting in, or on, an existing fire--I've done it myself to try with campfires, and works pretty well. Anthracite is a different story since it requires air from underneath. If you have a device dedicated to burning it, it's very nice, and clean. A company called Blaschak, here in PA, delivers bags of anthracite in a wide geographic area--not sure about Northern Ont. You could inquire about closest dealers at their website. Thanks.
Ashcat743 2 years ago
do they deliver to phila. ???
rickbar123 1 year ago
what size are you burning? chestnut?
DamnStraightM35A2 2 years ago
Yes.
Ashcat743 2 years ago
yours has a fan too! mine is all draft, its a DS Stove from Lancaster county, its a boiler 145,000 BTU. No fan needed really. Mine doesn't relly burn the gasses like that though. How many BTU is yours?
DamnStraightM35A2 2 years ago
Mine is listed at 80,000 BTU. It has two 100 cfm fans to wash air into room, but no combustion fan--natural draft only. I've heard great things about DS Stoves.
Ashcat743 2 years ago
Jesse--anthracite coal requires air coming up through the coalbed from below, so woodstoves can't burn anthracite. You'd probably be able to burn a at least some amount of soft coal in a wood stove on top of a well-established wood fire--but very sooty/smoky/smelly. Coal stoves can burn wood very well, but size and shape of stove firebox may make burning wood impractical. The firebox in my stove, being large and square, can be used practically with wood.
Ashcat743 2 years ago
can you burn wood in a coal heater and coal in a wood heater?
jesse112693 2 years ago
Here in California coal heating is rare nowadays and kindof a dying art so to speak, but I enjoy it quite a bit. (I've even burned anthracite on the open grate in an older, small fireplace with some success.)
About the closest thing to coal-firing I've found around here is my Grandma's house on a ranch near Soledad, CA that has an oil-fired furnace in the basement. (Burns No. oil or No. 6 Bunker oil.) Now and again the tanker truck from Sturdy oil will come to fill up the tank in the basement.
hardtackjack 2 years ago
Good coal is running anywhere between 140-190 per ton here in southeastern KY. I love it! The best source for heat I've ever used. I use an old Combustioneer hopper-fed stoker stove and it works great. Fill it up about once a week in 35-40 degree weather, give or take a day or two depending on temp. Nice video!
4sworn2EnemY0 2 years ago
Thanks for posting!! Coal heating is becoming an lost art. In NL coal is at $ 600,- per 1000kg (about 390,- euro) and cost about half as much as natural gas that is used by 95 % of Dutch ppl.
Nerd3927 2 years ago
wow. this is the way to go if you can get the coal.
99cachorro 2 years ago
What was this vid shot on? Awesome quality.
moose64 3 years ago
Thanks Moose64. Shot with a Canon HG10, a 40 GB hard-disk high def camcorder. This was a low-light situation that the HG10 did fairly well with--but you should see its performance in sunlight conditions!
Edited with Pinnacle Studio 11 Ultimate
Ashcat743 2 years ago
is the coal very expensive?
lmyhoosier 2 years ago
Depends on how close to coal (anthracite) country you are. I paid $199 per ton delivered in bulk, which lasted me (4000 square foot house, coal as only heat) about 5 weeks. If you were to pick up coal at the "breaker" (the coal processing facility--really all they do is break and then wash and sort coal according to lump size), prices are about $130-$160 per ton.
Lots of coal burners in New England, but they may pay as much as $300-325 per ton.
Ashcat743 2 years ago
I meant to say each ton lasted about 5 weeks--I burned about 4.5 tons this past winter in total. Much cheaper than the propane I've been burning until this year, and kind of fun too, if you don't mind about 10 minutes work in AM and PM daily.
Ashcat743 2 years ago
Ashcat, very nice video. Anthracite Coal is very effective way to heat your home.
Now i will have to buy a Hitzer 983 Coal stove.
PC1247ENG 3 years ago