I wanted to know if this was the Ruger mini 14 tactical model and where did you find the custom stock? I envy the mods you have done. sick mini 14.. I have the ranch model 5817 is there a way to modify it to look like yours?
early to mid 90's mini 14 with the lighter barrel sucked. It is a problem that for the most part has been corrected. Now I don't think they are tack drivers but then again I wouldn't say that about any semi-auto.
If I were to compare this rifle to anything it would be an AK74. They are both decent rifles with open sights that will always go bang when you pull the trigger even if you have not kept up on the cleaning or have stored it behind the seat of your truck for a while.
Ive got one of each, I can shoot 1" groups @100 yards with a unmagnified EOtech on the ar. The best I can get from the Mini is 5" with a 9 Power scope. IMO, Mini 14's are for suckers and mine is for sale!
@hobosapien081 BUT YOU SEE, i dont have time for that. ITS A FACT , that direct impingement gas operated rifles are INHERENTLY FAR MORE ACCURATE than piston systems. PERIOD. I could show you a 3/4 inch group from 100 yards. easily
if you know from experience then why do you ask why do that. did you do that? if not how do you know from experience. ill be posting a vid soon that will prove to all the ar elitist that the mini is a superior battle rifle.i like ar's but im also realistic and i also have experience with ar's.
@as072091 Why would I do that? I just open the receiver and blow the sand out I dont over lubricate my weapon so the foreign material simply falls out. I know from experience.
Both have their place, but a mini is FAR from the best semi auto ever built. A true test is to get both rifles, bench rested, shoot at 100 yards then compare groups. There is good reason you do not see many minis at 3 gun and AR are plenty with AK variants being second. Those rifles run 1000+ malfunction free rounds w/o cleaning. I would be willing to help you do that comparison if you are ever in SoCal or Arizona. And for the sake of everything that doesn't suck, un-tapco phuck that rifle!
@ankazakov Bravo :) Standing @200 yards = way better than I can manage, Bench rest shooting is really only good for sighting in, competition and ego. And I sight in in a field and sand bags, truck bed, etc, when on firing location. Screw technical 1" MOA! It is extremely useless in combat situations. It doesn't matter if it's 3 MOA when standing around the corner of a building shooting with left hand at a friggin taliban hellbent on splattering you guts. A kill is a kill. Bench? Buy a bolt gun
@ankazakov How the FUCK is that a 'test' of a rifle when it is completely pristine conditions? I bet you are a benchrest shooter and think thats what shooting really means. Please.
Rifles are supposed to be versatile, not a SNIPER rifle.
I do agree that the Mini 14 may not be the "best," but you need to include reliabilty, weight, ease of use, etc., instead of only considering accuracy. The Ruger Mini 14 is a really great gun. It may not produce a 1 inch group from 100 yards, BUT I bet I could put a few bullets in a dudes torso from a hundred yards, and I would dare say it probably won't jam either. The Mini 14 may not be the most accurate, but for my money it is accurate enough, and it NEVER jams. YMMV
Uh OK, I hope this drives down the price of AR15s so I can get another one. Just remember folks the A-Team used the Mini-14, best damn rifle I'll never own. :-P
I never owned a mini14 but I build and own ARs. That said my friend had a mini 14 that was nothing but problems for him. I know there are lemons in everything but it was so inaccurate and had feeding problems he sold it. I think with that action I'd go with an m1a and keep my ..223 in an AR
Out of the box AR's are more accurate, however the proven history of the Garrard action on which the mini 14 is based will still be firing when the AR is jammed . Last ditch gun for me, either the mini 14, mini 30 or the Russian AK
when it comes down to it no mini owner is going to man up and say ARs are better. The AR has it beat in almost every category. the mini is a barley good target rifle trying to dress up as a fighting rifle.
My Armalite M15A2 would only eat FMJ and I was told this is normal. Is that right? It wouldn't shoot hollow points. When I have to shoot to defend myself screw the Geneva convention i'm using hollow points in my mini 14
AR 15 is a much better rifle. You can do so much more than the Mini 14 and you can build an AR 15 for cheaper than a new Mini 14. In the end, how many competition shooters such as target and especially 3 gun run Mini 14s? What about the number of AR 15s against the number of Mini 14s in your local gunshop? I've never seen a single 3 gunner high in the leaderboards of national championships using anything but AR 15s.
@The1MOA Have an 188 version. Groups 3-4" @ 100. Also have a an AR it is more accurate but still not a Remington 700 & certainly not competition accurate. As a service rifle i would choose the mini-14 for its simple reliability. The rifle never misfired, not once.
And yes I know the M14 is a different league completely. Still I will stay this much If in combat and I had to chose between accuracy and reliability, reliability wins hands down every time as I am sure you AK fans will bear testament to, but considering I am an accomplished marksman accuracy is a non issue. And for those of you that are complaining about accuracy the new model minis have a thicker tapered barrel which allows for far greater accuracy and at half the price of a AR.
@macb00kzrule Untrue, the AR-15 is a much more accurate weapon and very reliable with minimal maintenance. Since when is the AR twice the price of a mini? where the hell do you shop? The last mini I saw at walmart was 647.99 I saw a DPMS Recon rifle, Stainless chrome lined heavy barrel, Black hole (smith vortex flash suppressor) Magpul furniture with troy flip up sights and full aluminum quadrail system for 899.00 if you bought a mini or AK at anywhere near this price your a fool... Sucker.
I have owned and fired both rifles and still own the mini-14. There are pluses and minuses to both platforms. ARs tend to be more accurate out of box, but a mini-14 can achieve the same accuracy. As for reliability the mini wins hands down. ARs have a tendency to jam easily and Lord help you if you don't clean them every chance you get. The garand style action implemented by the mini has been tested and proved time and time again. The M14/M1 is testament to this fact.
Not only are AR's for suckers, they're also for people who are real A-Holes. I wonder what it'd be like if it was a full auto ar against a full auto MINI-14 (in this kind of video). MINI-14 would win again.
Well I've shot both and I own an AR now. There are some cheap ARs out there but I have a Colt AR and I'd bet my life on it out shooting a mini any day. There is a reason why the military uses the AR style weapon vs. a mini.
@HerbWalker Untrue in this instance. The barrel of the mini is thin walled and will superheat rapidly you can literally watch the rounds begin to walk accross the paper once several rounds are fired in rapid succession. anyone who claims the mini 14 is a 1MOA gun is a private owner who has one for sale. or a dealer who has stockrooms full of them he cant unload. i have owned several minis over the years in various configurations and they are all about the same, 4-6 inch groups at 100 yards.
It's all a matter of preference, but in general most popular AR's will fire at least 1 moa (most sub moa). Only your best (modern) Mini's will even fire 1 moa.
Other than that, it's a matter of practicality...
You want a dependable, small game hunting rifle... get a mini-14
You want a light, rugged combat rifle... get an AR
@wildbill6976 its my experience that very few ar's will shoot 1moa out of the box.minis usually shoot a 2moa. ar is more accurate but mini is more reliable dirty. imo
@as072091 H&K, DPMS, Bushmaster, Rock River, Les Baer... have fired all, and all guarantee at least 1 moa stock, and usually shoot sub moa. (personally I favor h&k or les baer)
@wildbill6976 DPMS in the war Damn fine gun, but had to clean the thing constantly. Target shooting at rest in right hands, yep. 1 MOA - not in a firefight though. Every 90-91 vet (me)... and every afg/Iraq combat vet testifies that. I'm in the V.A. all the time, we 'talk shop' constantly. I would've like the old M14 or even a mini with 20rd mags, myself. M14 heavy as HELL though! Seals still use'em, for good reason. Shoot better. But they are some TOUGH and crazy squids not kiddin on that :)
@wildbill6976 it was my buddy Master Sgt Lee in Afganistan that used the DPMS I shot when he got home. Still on 1.5 MOA after 2,000 rds. In 90-91 we didn't have that option. Not even sure DPMS and the others were around then. Imagine they were, but ours were standard issue Colt and had sand issues. He had his DPMS shipped on his 4th tour in 2 yrs and 4 weeks (crazy rotation - sees psych now, like a good half these guys). Said good reliability with it. Was up in mountains with mortar team.
I am not going the argue between the two because to me a gun is like a car, If its the gun you like and the gun you want you will take the time learn it and learn to shoot it.
I have put over 2,000 rounds through my mini tact and never had a jam or miss fire and I clean the barrel every 1500 rounds or so.
I have seen many AR's and Ak's jam when we go out shooting my Dragunov jams too (bad clips is my thought there)
@JayCrims0n as far as light combat style rifle the mini is lighter than Ar's of the same size. I bought a mini because it looked good have a great record and when i go to the range I never see them
People who hate Minis don't understand them. It looks like things have been covered in the comments. But to reiterate the Mini 14 is the best all around Tactical weapon a civ can buy. CQ combat with it is more effective than with an AR due to both FASTER aim time and using the weapon itself as a blunt weapon. If anyone lives in Cali like myself, then there is NO reason whatsoever to prefer an AR over a Mini. A CA AR, with all the restrictions, is a waste of money and worthless in combat/defense.
@happydelicious Incorrect, I understand the Mini-14 and have owned several since 1975. the AR 15 is a far superior weapon particularly since the modern modifications since the 1980's. It is a truly modular weapon system that is completely servicable by the operator with the availability of spare parts that are everywhere. Accurate and reliable with the minimal of maintenance. Those who hate the AR don't remember the weapon very well or never issued one in the first place.
@happydelicious i used to live in California, but that was before 1989 when the assault weapon ban went in to effect. the only reason I would own a mini 14 there is due to the incredible number of restrictions and availability. i still feel I would rather have something else.
Garand design, Ruger build and the Ruger (Sears Craftsman approach) "if you break it, send it back and we'll fix it", modest price, what's not to like?
if given the choice between keeping my 581 mini-14 or my bushy ar15. hands down it would be the ruger. I have owned it for far less time, and put far more rounds through it. Some people's accuracy may suck, but mine is a 1.5 moa gun consistently, whether it be the first round or the 400th on a hot day without allowing any cooldown. it will eat any ammo, will continue to shoot packed full of dirt and without maintenance. AR's are safe queens, only brought out when i want to convert a nonshooter
@43m1garand the "m16" had problems with jaming because it didn't have a chrome lined barrel. A problem fixed in the "m16a1" and subsequent models. In addition, the military didn't issue cleaning kits saying it didn't need to be cleaned. The problem was blown out of proportion and never really have the impact people think it did. The M14 was brought back because of a new position called designated marksman-not due to the "flawed M16.". Fight over, length of service claims M16 as the victor.
Eugene Stoners design was called the AR-15. The AR-15 got its military designation as M-16 as soon as it was adopted by the military. Yes it was adopted before the mini14 was introduced but the mini 14 was originally designed to bridge the gap between the die hard M1a/M14 fans in the military and the progressives who wanted the m-16. The m-14 and mini14 are 2 very different weapons. I was issued an EMR in the Marine Corps and loved it....the Mini-14 is a different story.
@sempercarry The military uses M-16s not ARs. The M-16 was out before the Mini-14. The Mini-14 is a scaled down M-14. M16, M4, and ARs are so great, that is why the military pulled M14s out of storage and is using them again because the M16/M4 does not have enough range or stopping power. M16/M4 sucks at shooting through a windshield.
Every poster who has preferred the Mini-14 has owned a DPMS/Panther. Have any of you ever fired a REAL M4? Go to the range and rent a Colt or Stag flat-top with a holographic rear sight. The Mini-14 (which yes I have fired many, many times) eats feces when compared with a quality M4. Don't buy the $650 one, buy the $1100+ one, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
@EpochalNight I'm an AR fanboy, and I still thought that wasn't a very good argument. An $1100 AR with a $500 holographic sight had better out-perform a Mini-14 that costs just a bit more than the sight on the AR!
@EpochalNight Why don't you shoot a real gun? Try shooting at a target 1000 yards or more with that piss ant M4. I'll take my M1 Garand anytime over those plastic fantastics. And yes, I also own a Mini 14 because it is based off of the M14 which is based off of the Garand. I never heard anybody say the M16 or M4 was the greatest battle implement ever devised. The Garand does not need to be kept clean to fuction. Garand - reliable as an AK but with more accuracy, range, and stopping power.
@EpochalNight I have DPMS, several in fact and I love them I have LMT's S&W 's and colts as well. and I still like the DPMS. i don't know why people bitch about them. Whats your Issue?
@njmvermont not 100% on this one, but if its put together similar to my M1a, by the time you replace the barrel....that's pretty much the whole receiver. You could just buy the mini 30 and own two guns :-)
i have the original stock still on mine. ive used the tactical but theres just somthing about the way the sights line up with the original on that just feels better. but i do have my own homade front grip made of hardwood i can bolt on if i need more frontal support. but mostly its just for fun
why is it that any time somebody mentions the mini-14 a bunch of rabid AR fans feel like they have to chime in....? it boggles the mind. both seem to have their strong and week points, can't everyone just agree about this fact....?
@a303romance Well, ARs are the absolute best rifles ever, and no other weapon will ever be able to compare. Wonder what makes them so good? Simple. When a Mini-30 or M1A or AK or SKS or any other gun suffers a stoppage, it's something wrong with the gun. When an AR jams, it's because the shooter is too stupid to handle such a magnificent piece of gear. No matter what physically caused it, it's the shooters fault. Period. Other guns jam = crappy gun. AR Jams = stupid shooter. got it?
@The1MOA ive achieved ~1 moa out of my mini as well, i love my mini, and i love the fact that it eats everything thrown at it, but i wont trash the AR because i dont own one, YET >:D
my ar is more accurate then my 14, im also able to shoot a little faster with the ar due to the buffering system on it. Although the mini seems to be able to shoot any garbage ammo i put into it. This video isnt accurate its just more of an opinion on what your better at shooting. Train with an ar and youll be shooting circles around the mini14 and vise versa.
I have shot both... The Mini-14 is a fine weapon, but it would not hold up to the rigors of combat (having been in combat, mind you). There are too many moving parts on the Mini. The AR is a fantastic rifle. I don't want anyone to think I am downing the Mini... it is just that this poster is absolutely wrong... statements are in no way accurate.
@lancebaker155 The Mini14 is based off of the M14, which is based off of the M1 Garand. They all have just as moving parts. They don't malfuction all the time like M16s when dirty. The M1 Garand and AK47 has a moving part that the AR does not, to keep it working. It's called a gas piston. M14s are being pulled from storage because of lack of range and stopping power of the M16.
Although the mini is not ideal for deer, it can be done. I shot my first with my mini at 50 yards. One shot to the heart drops a 163 lb 4 pointer good.
I have had an is stance where the action froze up on the mini. It was my fault because I didn't clean it after a day at the range then I let it sit for a couple of months. The gas block has a nipple that fits into the big chunk of steel on the front of the action bar. I had corrosion build up around the nipple and it froze up the action. I had to use my foot to push back the bolt. Another lesson learned the hard way.
@semiautoriflelover I agree. I will repeat my comment. It is much easier to field strip an AR. Pull two takedown pins, remove the bolt carrier assembly and charging handle and scrub away. The mini, on the other hand, is rather annoying if you want to remove the bolt. It's almost an art.
@The1MOA yes, the only mini's I've ever fired were the very old ones made in the 80s, the barrels were so thin and it would heat up and throw the shots. Even my AK was more accurate(Norinco). To be completely honest though, a free floated heavy barreled AR15 would be a very tough competition for really any semiauto made. That is a huge advantage having a thick free floated barrel, this is why they rule at camp perry. Add match barrel free floated and you are all set.
@The1MOA I worked at a rifle range for 10 years and never saw a mini 14 that could get 1" groups at 50 yards even with me shooting. I guess now the newer ones are more accurate with the heavier barrels. It all depends on the shooters, you see a moron fire an AR15 then people say they won but let me shoot both rifles and judge.
I own a Tacitcal Mini-14 (4th gen) and its a fantastic weapon, but ill be honest...saying it "owns" the AR-15 is fucking ignorant. Not only are you shooting MUCH too far for a CARBINE, no one can see ANYTHING your hitting, there was no way of us seeing what you shot. Stop being a dumb fucking redneck and making the rest of us mini shooters look bad.
Oh hell no!!!!! The BUtler Creek stock is by far 1000 times better that the tapco stock. Tapco stocks are cheap and have a toy feeling to them. They also twist and bend.
@warnyou You didn't even have an Ar-15 to compare it too. What is up with that man!? For real though, if you really love your Mini, you should look into upgrading the stock, if you already haven't. The best stock to get is from Troy industries, check it out, pricey, but worth it. Also, look into Springfield M1A.
@scottandrewmalone You just like the way the Tapco looks regardless of it's cheapness. Your like those people who put fat tires on their off road vehicles because they like the way it looks. Ever wonder why the rest of the world uses less extreme tire widths on off road vehicles that actually make long runs off road in places like Africa, ,Indonesia , South America. Because it is proven better, like the BC stock is better than the Tapco.
They're both m14's. I can tell cause the ar15 normally doesn't come with any sights and if it does they don't look like the forked sights u had. Nice gun though
@rampagemcpherson What? the AR15s come with sights, in fact they have some of the best sight options you can find. I had many with fixed match sights.
@chronicgeebs its a well known thing that mini 14's are 2-3MOA rifles and are not an inherently accurate platform. the role of the rifle isnt to be a marksman rifle though, its to be a tactical rifle out to 200 yards. the ar-15 is much more accurate, there is no doubt. only a highly modified mini-14 will shoot sub-moa, while there are many ar-15's out of the box that shoot .5-1.5 moa. 2moa is a relatively inaccurate ar-15. mini 14s have thin barrels. they are made for affordable reliability.
@7x57mmMauser No your the moron, Buy buy the AR and dump that piece of shit. i have Both rifles and the mini 14 can't compare at any level. Gimmie a break. Face it, you bought it because it was cheap and you couldn't afford the AR, and don't lie about it, cause I know you are. When you can truly test and compare both rifles at the range get back to me- and I know you wont. Your silly degrading post backed by nothing only makes you look stupid.
FOR the AR fans please read this:>> (CBS/AP) In the chaos of an early morning assault on a remote U.S. outpost in eastern Afghanistan, Staff Sgt. Erich Phillips' M4 carbine quit firing as militant forces surrounded the base. When the battle in the small village of Wanat ended, nine U.S. soldiers lay dead and 27 more were wounded. A detailed study of the attack by a military historian found that weapons failed repeatedly at a "critical moment" during the firefight
It is also much easier and faster to field strip an AR. With all that said I still wouldn't sell my mini. There is just something about that Garand action while it's cycling.
@drake0074 If you can't filed strip an AR15 in 15 seconds with ease you must be a low IQ. Anyone who says it's complex is not very smart. I can take mine apart with one hand on video, actually I have a video doing this making fun of guys saying it's hard to take apart.
Thumbs down because I see no proof. I own both and love both. See all that gas? You definitely don't want to fire that thing without eye protection. I learned that the hard way. If I had to pick one it would be the AR any day. It is so much more smooth because it doesnt have nearly as much metal sliding back and forth.
Niether is better, but saying Ar's are for suckers is saying the U.S. military is composed of suckers O.o However I know both can take a target at 500 yards, the Ar IS more versitile, the Mini IS more durable and reliable, the AR does have more consistant accuracy, bcuz ive never seen anyone complain about AR accuracy, and ive seen bout' half of the Mini owners complain about accuracy past 200 yards. Ar is faster to reload, mini is cheaper, bot' same weight. Thats about all the agruement there.
AR rifles are accurate and reliable... but if you get a speck of dirt in there, or dont clean after every session, good luck. I clean my guns after i use them but its good to know my ak will fire after i drop it in the mud. Mini-14's are boss by the way.
@Krautattack0311 Agreed. Depends on the situation and the correct choice of load for the rifle and the job at hand. I'd like to have an AR but have settled for a cheap (but surprisingly accurate) M14 clone, an old Mini 14 (original twist) and a Ruger 10/22 (the three of which I see as a kind of natural progression from battle rifle to plinkster) and all of which cost me a lot less than an AR would. Maybe one day though I'll get that AR...
@Krautattack0311 And until the top brass messed with the 1:14 barrel twist originally designed into the AR15 by Eugene Stoner that tumbling round idea worked sweet with 55grain FMJs. But then they decided to improve accuracy at range by speeding up the twist to 1:12 - which stabilised the round and improved accuracy but stopped the round tumbling, crippling the effectiveness of the M16s being deployed to GIs in the field and leaving them weeping for their long lost M14s.... I'm just saying...
anyone that knows about mini 30 and mini 14 guns know they are great. they buy them because springfield m1 and m14 rifles are awesome but very costly. mini 14 ect. sell today because they hold up to all of todays standards at a fraction of the cost. great gun. dont down play it ar owners... i got an AR myself.
ok if ar15s are for suckers than mini 14s are for people who cant afford a decent ar15. i didnt even see an ar15 in this stupid video so how is it ar15 vs mini 14? mini 14 never wins
Ahemm!....Mini 14's are not known for being accurate. I have shot against my friend with his Mini and my AR-15 on several occasions and it's really no contest. We even switched guns. AR all the way. My AK-47 can match a Mini up to 200+ yds. Just saying .My AK is much more fun and cheaper to shoot as well. It's a tractor and requires nothing but ammo and It hit's harder than any 223.
@nationjanes We shoot the orange clays but we get bamboo Bar-B-Que skewers and a hot glue gun and glue the sticks to the clays. The night before we shoot we glue up 50/60 each of them. We get in the Jeep and ride down range and push them in the dirt at 100 yd. spacings until we are way the heck out there. They are bio-degradable so no big deal. You can set up races and make up games with them. Way fun! Great for kids and beginners too. Super for pistol practice.
My brother recently owned one of the cheapest ar-15s on the market, it was a DPMS sportical carbine, we did nothing with aftermarket parts and did not modify it in anyway. slapped a cheapo barska scope on it and it was a tack driver out to about 300 yards. Out of the box it was shooting under one inch group at 100 yards. he needed a deer rifle and got a mini in 6.8 spc, i can tell you here and now that it was the most inaccurate rifle i have ever shot. 4 to 5 inch groups at just fifty yards.
Well, if the Ar was so good he could have made head shots with 1 inch groups at 100 yards. Why switch? he should have gotten a bolt action .308 or .243 for deer. sounds like he made a bad choice picking a mini for deer. I would not think of shooting at deer with my mini and you can see video proof how great I can shoot.
why would someone think of shooting .223 at a deer. its considered a rodent sized animal caliber.
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its funny how we take .223 out to war. the military must think the terrorists are LITERALLY rodents, they do hide in caves and run away at danger so idk maybe there right? just my joke and a small fact
@warnyou I had the target mini 14 with the laminate stock. It was nice to shoot but it didnt shoot worth anything. Lesson learnt... if you want a target gun dont get a semi.
@bzhfbz you must have gotten a lemon... mine came with a scope and will shoot 3/4 inch groups at 100 yds. i havent tried anything past that as the club does not have a longer range :/
@sandmankid You have to be careful with using scopes on the Ruger. The scope mounting system can easily loosen and open up your groupings. I have the bolts snug and use blue loctite.
@sandmankid You have to be careful with using scopes on the Ruger. The scope mounting system can easily loosen and open up your groupings. I have the bolts snug and use blue loctite.
@sandmankid I agree with you. I have owned several mini 14 rifles in various configurations over the years and accuracy is about the same 4-5 inch groups at 75-100 yards. I finally gave up and went to grizzly fire arms in woodland park CO. I laid the gun in front of the gunsmith and asked him to do something to fix this issue. response? Sorry, nothing I can do It's a hundred yard plinker and thats the end of the hunt. I have never owned another... and never will.
So you shot a mini-14 with some after-market garbage attached to it and show no AR for comparison and base your decision upon what exactly??? No stock mini-14 - especially the older thin barrel models - can touch an AR for accuracy. I notice you don't use a scope, could that be because after you'd fired your magazine your scope pciture would be obscured by all the heat rippling off that barrel? lol!!
Look here Chubs, now I have both AR's and now a Mini, and both are fine rifles... The AR is a more accurate rifle, the edge to theoretical reliability goes to the op-rod Mini... that being said... The US Army continues to be a fan, as do the Marines... even the IDF went from the Galil to the AR....
I have never met a real world "end user" (and I know a few) who shits on the AR... that seems to be the activity of your 300+ lbs Chocodile commandos...
@gpwasr10 i really think that the mini is more reliable, it depends on your needs whether that makes it better or not, but I also like having a read wood stock and metal instead of space age plastics. it just feels more like a battle rifle. The pistol grip is some kinda composite on the mini too, though.
If the ar sucks so bad,then why has our military been using it since the 1960's?? They are both good rifles, i just like the ar 15 because it is easy to field strip and very accurate.
@edthemetalhead im not sure why they still use ar-15's and m16's ,i personally think there are better guns out there for the job ,but i know they have made ALOT of improvements since the shitty ass m16s they used in vietnam
im not saying ar-15's or m16's suck i just prefer a rifle that will do the same job with more durability and require less maintenance
@splatterYOURbeak Most of the problems in Vietnam stemmed from the soldiers not having any training on how to properly clean the M16, nor the equipment to do so. The other major issue was ammo use. The m16a1 had full auto capability, which caused many troops to use up their mags too quickly.
It is a fine weapon system when properly maintained, and has a proven track record. It's main issue today is more an issue of FMJ not being a one shot stopper.
It takes less skill to shoot an AR because they're pretty accurate out of the box, so, Amateurs with money are in luck!!. They are also very high maintenance and not very reliable. Toss a mini into a pond, dig it out of the mud and it'll shoot. Do that same thing to an AR and it'll blow up in your face.
The A-Team was in vietnam, and after the war they chose the Mini-14 because it was far a better rifle.... more reliable, stronger, less prone to malfunction, that is why it is called the jamless wonder... =)
I also prefer the Mini. Especially when everybody runs out of ammo, at least a full Stock Mini can be used as a club. I wouldn't trust a AR stock to hit someone upside the head with it.
@chevygearhead454 most AR's are like 800-1200 depends on what model or if its used, you can buy a mini 14 rancher at walmart for like i dont remember, maybe 500-700? i dont know id say around 600, im not very good at prices tho, i jus know a AR is way more expensive lol
@VHOBSESSED78 you're obviously an ar fanboy, i would say they are totally different rifles, one with many strengths(the mini) and one with many weaknesses(the ar) im not teling anyone not to buy an ar, i mean if you have money to waste then go for it but when i see it have problems at the range bet your ass i'll be pointing and laughing at you.
well, i guess its a matter of opinion then because two out of five people i shoot with sold theirs for a AR, one is in the process and the other two are ok with it. Happy shooting..
FOR the AR fans please read this:>> (CBS/AP) In the chaos of an early morning assault on a remote U.S. outpost in eastern Afghanistan, Staff Sgt. Erich Phillips' M4 carbine quit firing as militant forces surrounded the base. When the battle in the small village of Wanat ended, nine U.S. soldiers lay dead and 27 more were wounded. A detailed study of the attack by a military historian found that weapons failed repeatedly at a "critical moment" during the firefight
The gun mishaps raise the question: Eight years into the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan, do U.S. armed forces have the best guns money can buy?
Despite the military's insistence that they do, a small but vocal number of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq has complained that the standard-issue M4 rifles need too much maintenance and jam at the worst possible times:..The Mini14's action is based on the M1 Garrand proven during WW2 to be RELIABLE
I love my mini 14 ranch rifle, but as finicky as it is with ammo I'll take an ar 15 to battle over a mini 14 any day.
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Again we have a another Internet armchair novice that knows nothing about guns.
It is a butler creek folder stainless steel stock.
If I had a dollar for every wannabe ..................
warnyou 2 days ago
Crapco tacticool bullshit stock......
AR 15's literally come in hundreds of configs. Mini 14's? Theres like 5 or 6 on rugers website.
A mini 14 will surpass some, but not all, ar 15s. It might shit on the vulcan ar's, but as the quality improves, the m14 is an inferior rifle.
Saigax12 2 days ago
I wanted to know if this was the Ruger mini 14 tactical model and where did you find the custom stock? I envy the mods you have done. sick mini 14.. I have the ranch model 5817 is there a way to modify it to look like yours?
jaythapimp623 2 days ago
I thought you would have a honest review, but no. You have a bias view on the mini 14, you fanboy. THUMBS DOWN!
nalBleeding 1 week ago
early to mid 90's mini 14 with the lighter barrel sucked. It is a problem that for the most part has been corrected. Now I don't think they are tack drivers but then again I wouldn't say that about any semi-auto.
If I were to compare this rifle to anything it would be an AK74. They are both decent rifles with open sights that will always go bang when you pull the trigger even if you have not kept up on the cleaning or have stored it behind the seat of your truck for a while.
mauser98k98 1 week ago
Ive got one of each, I can shoot 1" groups @100 yards with a unmagnified EOtech on the ar. The best I can get from the Mini is 5" with a 9 Power scope. IMO, Mini 14's are for suckers and mine is for sale!
TexanBlaster 1 week ago
@hobosapien081 BUT YOU SEE, i dont have time for that. ITS A FACT , that direct impingement gas operated rifles are INHERENTLY FAR MORE ACCURATE than piston systems. PERIOD. I could show you a 3/4 inch group from 100 yards. easily
LUVMAGNUMGUNS2 1 week ago
if you know from experience then why do you ask why do that. did you do that? if not how do you know from experience. ill be posting a vid soon that will prove to all the ar elitist that the mini is a superior battle rifle.i like ar's but im also realistic and i also have experience with ar's.
as072091 4 weeks ago
and how can you say the ar is a rugged combat rifle. get some sand in it and see how it does.
as072091 1 month ago
@as072091 Why would I do that? I just open the receiver and blow the sand out I dont over lubricate my weapon so the foreign material simply falls out. I know from experience.
pwchesser 4 weeks ago
Not sure why people argue over a gun. They are both great.
vroomba03 1 month ago
Pretty crappy video.
MrBoogerhook 1 month ago
Yeah right........ Your idea of going shooting is turning on your Nintendo and playing duck hunt. ........Next.......
warnyou 1 month ago
so where was the AR15?
xARMEDCIVILIANx 1 month ago
Both have their place, but a mini is FAR from the best semi auto ever built. A true test is to get both rifles, bench rested, shoot at 100 yards then compare groups. There is good reason you do not see many minis at 3 gun and AR are plenty with AK variants being second. Those rifles run 1000+ malfunction free rounds w/o cleaning. I would be willing to help you do that comparison if you are ever in SoCal or Arizona. And for the sake of everything that doesn't suck, un-tapco phuck that rifle!
ankazakov 1 month ago
@ankazakov
Very good point, but you do not know anything about guns. It is a Butler Creek Stock in stainless steel.........NEXT!!!!!!
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@warnyou I knew it was a butler creek stock and it still sucks. The Mini-14 is a piece of shit.
pwchesser 1 month ago
@warnyou you cant compare 2 guns if you only shoot one of them
thepensmith1 3 weeks ago
@ankazakov Bravo :) Standing @200 yards = way better than I can manage, Bench rest shooting is really only good for sighting in, competition and ego. And I sight in in a field and sand bags, truck bed, etc, when on firing location. Screw technical 1" MOA! It is extremely useless in combat situations. It doesn't matter if it's 3 MOA when standing around the corner of a building shooting with left hand at a friggin taliban hellbent on splattering you guts. A kill is a kill. Bench? Buy a bolt gun
bluestudio67 3 weeks ago
@ankazakov How the FUCK is that a 'test' of a rifle when it is completely pristine conditions? I bet you are a benchrest shooter and think thats what shooting really means. Please.
Rifles are supposed to be versatile, not a SNIPER rifle.
dragon0085 1 week ago
@ankazakov
I do agree that the Mini 14 may not be the "best," but you need to include reliabilty, weight, ease of use, etc., instead of only considering accuracy. The Ruger Mini 14 is a really great gun. It may not produce a 1 inch group from 100 yards, BUT I bet I could put a few bullets in a dudes torso from a hundred yards, and I would dare say it probably won't jam either. The Mini 14 may not be the most accurate, but for my money it is accurate enough, and it NEVER jams. YMMV
jibs5000 5 days ago
Uh OK, I hope this drives down the price of AR15s so I can get another one. Just remember folks the A-Team used the Mini-14, best damn rifle I'll never own. :-P
dibblydooda 1 month ago
@dibblydooda That is probably the reason the A-Team never hit anyone....
ankazakov 1 month ago
I never owned a mini14 but I build and own ARs. That said my friend had a mini 14 that was nothing but problems for him. I know there are lemons in everything but it was so inaccurate and had feeding problems he sold it. I think with that action I'd go with an m1a and keep my ..223 in an AR
elox02 1 month ago
Out of the box AR's are more accurate, however the proven history of the Garrard action on which the mini 14 is based will still be firing when the AR is jammed . Last ditch gun for me, either the mini 14, mini 30 or the Russian AK
xgi36 1 month ago
when it comes down to it no mini owner is going to man up and say ARs are better. The AR has it beat in almost every category. the mini is a barley good target rifle trying to dress up as a fighting rifle.
MrUSA96 2 months ago
so...what did this prove?
jwalker477 2 months ago
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@jwalker477 That mini 14's are better than the bandwagon AR's...
DukeOfTennessee117 2 months ago
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@jwalker477 That mini 14's are better than the bandwagon AR's...
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My Armalite M15A2 would only eat FMJ and I was told this is normal. Is that right? It wouldn't shoot hollow points. When I have to shoot to defend myself screw the Geneva convention i'm using hollow points in my mini 14
worldgoingtozero 2 months ago
mini 14 is better then a AR LOL lay off the crack.
ThermalSh0ck 2 months ago
AR 15 is a much better rifle. You can do so much more than the Mini 14 and you can build an AR 15 for cheaper than a new Mini 14. In the end, how many competition shooters such as target and especially 3 gun run Mini 14s? What about the number of AR 15s against the number of Mini 14s in your local gunshop? I've never seen a single 3 gunner high in the leaderboards of national championships using anything but AR 15s.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
@The1MOA Have an 188 version. Groups 3-4" @ 100. Also have a an AR it is more accurate but still not a Remington 700 & certainly not competition accurate. As a service rifle i would choose the mini-14 for its simple reliability. The rifle never misfired, not once.
OdinsCloud 3 months ago
And yes I know the M14 is a different league completely. Still I will stay this much If in combat and I had to chose between accuracy and reliability, reliability wins hands down every time as I am sure you AK fans will bear testament to, but considering I am an accomplished marksman accuracy is a non issue. And for those of you that are complaining about accuracy the new model minis have a thicker tapered barrel which allows for far greater accuracy and at half the price of a AR.
macb00kzrule 3 months ago
@macb00kzrule Untrue, the AR-15 is a much more accurate weapon and very reliable with minimal maintenance. Since when is the AR twice the price of a mini? where the hell do you shop? The last mini I saw at walmart was 647.99 I saw a DPMS Recon rifle, Stainless chrome lined heavy barrel, Black hole (smith vortex flash suppressor) Magpul furniture with troy flip up sights and full aluminum quadrail system for 899.00 if you bought a mini or AK at anywhere near this price your a fool... Sucker.
pwchesser 3 months ago
@macb00kzrule You can easily build an AR 15 for around $500.
FiveTwoSevenTHR 2 months ago
I have owned and fired both rifles and still own the mini-14. There are pluses and minuses to both platforms. ARs tend to be more accurate out of box, but a mini-14 can achieve the same accuracy. As for reliability the mini wins hands down. ARs have a tendency to jam easily and Lord help you if you don't clean them every chance you get. The garand style action implemented by the mini has been tested and proved time and time again. The M14/M1 is testament to this fact.
macb00kzrule 3 months ago
Not only are AR's for suckers, they're also for people who are real A-Holes. I wonder what it'd be like if it was a full auto ar against a full auto MINI-14 (in this kind of video). MINI-14 would win again.
ShadyWillKilBieberXD 3 months ago
AR-15 are for homosexuals, is been scientifically proven.
kaygeeboi 4 months ago
Well I've shot both and I own an AR now. There are some cheap ARs out there but I have a Colt AR and I'd bet my life on it out shooting a mini any day. There is a reason why the military uses the AR style weapon vs. a mini.
itsthehills 4 months ago
Accuracy is a reflection of the PERSON, not the WEAPON!!! Practice boys! :)
HerbWalker 4 months ago
@HerbWalker Untrue in this instance. The barrel of the mini is thin walled and will superheat rapidly you can literally watch the rounds begin to walk accross the paper once several rounds are fired in rapid succession. anyone who claims the mini 14 is a 1MOA gun is a private owner who has one for sale. or a dealer who has stockrooms full of them he cant unload. i have owned several minis over the years in various configurations and they are all about the same, 4-6 inch groups at 100 yards.
pwchesser 4 months ago
It's all a matter of preference, but in general most popular AR's will fire at least 1 moa (most sub moa). Only your best (modern) Mini's will even fire 1 moa.
Other than that, it's a matter of practicality...
You want a dependable, small game hunting rifle... get a mini-14
You want a light, rugged combat rifle... get an AR
wildbill6976 5 months ago 5
@wildbill6976 its my experience that very few ar's will shoot 1moa out of the box.minis usually shoot a 2moa. ar is more accurate but mini is more reliable dirty. imo
as072091 1 month ago
@as072091 H&K, DPMS, Bushmaster, Rock River, Les Baer... have fired all, and all guarantee at least 1 moa stock, and usually shoot sub moa. (personally I favor h&k or les baer)
wildbill6976 1 month ago
@wildbill6976 DPMS in the war Damn fine gun, but had to clean the thing constantly. Target shooting at rest in right hands, yep. 1 MOA - not in a firefight though. Every 90-91 vet (me)... and every afg/Iraq combat vet testifies that. I'm in the V.A. all the time, we 'talk shop' constantly. I would've like the old M14 or even a mini with 20rd mags, myself. M14 heavy as HELL though! Seals still use'em, for good reason. Shoot better. But they are some TOUGH and crazy squids not kiddin on that :)
bluestudio67 3 weeks ago
@wildbill6976 it was my buddy Master Sgt Lee in Afganistan that used the DPMS I shot when he got home. Still on 1.5 MOA after 2,000 rds. In 90-91 we didn't have that option. Not even sure DPMS and the others were around then. Imagine they were, but ours were standard issue Colt and had sand issues. He had his DPMS shipped on his 4th tour in 2 yrs and 4 weeks (crazy rotation - sees psych now, like a good half these guys). Said good reliability with it. Was up in mountains with mortar team.
bluestudio67 3 weeks ago
@wildbill6976
I am not going the argue between the two because to me a gun is like a car, If its the gun you like and the gun you want you will take the time learn it and learn to shoot it.
I have put over 2,000 rounds through my mini tact and never had a jam or miss fire and I clean the barrel every 1500 rounds or so.
I have seen many AR's and Ak's jam when we go out shooting my Dragunov jams too (bad clips is my thought there)
JayCrims0n 2 weeks ago
@JayCrims0n as far as light combat style rifle the mini is lighter than Ar's of the same size. I bought a mini because it looked good have a great record and when i go to the range I never see them
JayCrims0n 2 weeks ago
The Mini-14 shoots a wide variety of ammo, and it shoots some pretty wide ass groups too!
FACKINSMOKE 5 months ago 10
@FACKINSMOKE yea, isn't that the truth..... thumbs up!
pwchesser 4 months ago
People who hate Minis don't understand them. It looks like things have been covered in the comments. But to reiterate the Mini 14 is the best all around Tactical weapon a civ can buy. CQ combat with it is more effective than with an AR due to both FASTER aim time and using the weapon itself as a blunt weapon. If anyone lives in Cali like myself, then there is NO reason whatsoever to prefer an AR over a Mini. A CA AR, with all the restrictions, is a waste of money and worthless in combat/defense.
happydelicious 6 months ago
@happydelicious Incorrect, I understand the Mini-14 and have owned several since 1975. the AR 15 is a far superior weapon particularly since the modern modifications since the 1980's. It is a truly modular weapon system that is completely servicable by the operator with the availability of spare parts that are everywhere. Accurate and reliable with the minimal of maintenance. Those who hate the AR don't remember the weapon very well or never issued one in the first place.
pwchesser 4 months ago
@happydelicious i used to live in California, but that was before 1989 when the assault weapon ban went in to effect. the only reason I would own a mini 14 there is due to the incredible number of restrictions and availability. i still feel I would rather have something else.
pwchesser 4 months ago
Garand design, Ruger build and the Ruger (Sears Craftsman approach) "if you break it, send it back and we'll fix it", modest price, what's not to like?
SlamBones13 6 months ago
if given the choice between keeping my 581 mini-14 or my bushy ar15. hands down it would be the ruger. I have owned it for far less time, and put far more rounds through it. Some people's accuracy may suck, but mine is a 1.5 moa gun consistently, whether it be the first round or the 400th on a hot day without allowing any cooldown. it will eat any ammo, will continue to shoot packed full of dirt and without maintenance. AR's are safe queens, only brought out when i want to convert a nonshooter
MaxximII 6 months ago
oops "mini 14 against the world" i cant type haha
fawakamaha 7 months ago
everyone here nockin the Mini 14 I want to refer you to "mine 14 against the world"
fawakamaha 7 months ago
@43m1garand the "m16" had problems with jaming because it didn't have a chrome lined barrel. A problem fixed in the "m16a1" and subsequent models. In addition, the military didn't issue cleaning kits saying it didn't need to be cleaned. The problem was blown out of proportion and never really have the impact people think it did. The M14 was brought back because of a new position called designated marksman-not due to the "flawed M16.". Fight over, length of service claims M16 as the victor.
lancebaker155 7 months ago
Eugene Stoners design was called the AR-15. The AR-15 got its military designation as M-16 as soon as it was adopted by the military. Yes it was adopted before the mini14 was introduced but the mini 14 was originally designed to bridge the gap between the die hard M1a/M14 fans in the military and the progressives who wanted the m-16. The m-14 and mini14 are 2 very different weapons. I was issued an EMR in the Marine Corps and loved it....the Mini-14 is a different story.
sempercarry 7 months ago
There is a reason the military went with the AR instead of the mini.
sempercarry 8 months ago
@sempercarry The military uses M-16s not ARs. The M-16 was out before the Mini-14. The Mini-14 is a scaled down M-14. M16, M4, and ARs are so great, that is why the military pulled M14s out of storage and is using them again because the M16/M4 does not have enough range or stopping power. M16/M4 sucks at shooting through a windshield.
43m1garand 7 months ago
Every poster who has preferred the Mini-14 has owned a DPMS/Panther. Have any of you ever fired a REAL M4? Go to the range and rent a Colt or Stag flat-top with a holographic rear sight. The Mini-14 (which yes I have fired many, many times) eats feces when compared with a quality M4. Don't buy the $650 one, buy the $1100+ one, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
EpochalNight 8 months ago
@EpochalNight I'm an AR fanboy, and I still thought that wasn't a very good argument. An $1100 AR with a $500 holographic sight had better out-perform a Mini-14 that costs just a bit more than the sight on the AR!
drewdane40 8 months ago
@EpochalNight Why don't you shoot a real gun? Try shooting at a target 1000 yards or more with that piss ant M4. I'll take my M1 Garand anytime over those plastic fantastics. And yes, I also own a Mini 14 because it is based off of the M14 which is based off of the Garand. I never heard anybody say the M16 or M4 was the greatest battle implement ever devised. The Garand does not need to be kept clean to fuction. Garand - reliable as an AK but with more accuracy, range, and stopping power.
43m1garand 7 months ago
@43m1garand Easy there, cowboy. It's a video against the M4 and the Ruger Mini-14. NOT your M14... Totally different class
spookypunky 6 months ago
@spookypunky Pfft, I mean your M1A1. Which would rock the house. ;) I've had a couple
spookypunky 6 months ago
@EpochalNight I have DPMS, several in fact and I love them I have LMT's S&W 's and colts as well. and I still like the DPMS. i don't know why people bitch about them. Whats your Issue?
pwchesser 4 weeks ago
nice shotts :)
TheRussinsRcomeing 8 months ago
if i got a miny 30 barrell and extractor will they fit in my mini 14 so it can shoot 7.62/39 rather than 223/5.56
njmvermont 8 months ago
@njmvermont not 100% on this one, but if its put together similar to my M1a, by the time you replace the barrel....that's pretty much the whole receiver. You could just buy the mini 30 and own two guns :-)
nov284 8 months ago
i have the original stock still on mine. ive used the tactical but theres just somthing about the way the sights line up with the original on that just feels better. but i do have my own homade front grip made of hardwood i can bolt on if i need more frontal support. but mostly its just for fun
njmvermont 8 months ago
Kinda hard to do a vs. video when you only shoot one of the rifles...
Cichlidiot 8 months ago
lol the mini is an unreliable piece of shit and id sooner chop my right nut off than buy a ruger anything. fuckin liberal POS.
joshkkv 8 months ago
WTF where was the AR-15 weirdo?!?!
afghooey 8 months ago
thats a beautiful gun
zincmelt 9 months ago
why is it that any time somebody mentions the mini-14 a bunch of rabid AR fans feel like they have to chime in....? it boggles the mind. both seem to have their strong and week points, can't everyone just agree about this fact....?
a303romance 9 months ago
@a303romance Well, ARs are the absolute best rifles ever, and no other weapon will ever be able to compare. Wonder what makes them so good? Simple. When a Mini-30 or M1A or AK or SKS or any other gun suffers a stoppage, it's something wrong with the gun. When an AR jams, it's because the shooter is too stupid to handle such a magnificent piece of gear. No matter what physically caused it, it's the shooters fault. Period. Other guns jam = crappy gun. AR Jams = stupid shooter. got it?
nov284 8 months ago
@nov284 way to prove my point.
and for the record, i just bought an AR and i still think that a mini could be as good as this.
don't be so close-minded lol
a303romance 8 months ago
@a303romance sorry, sometimes I can't seem to help myself :-)
nov284 8 months ago
i have shot both, they both work fine
Bowyerma 9 months ago
@The1MOA ive achieved ~1 moa out of my mini as well, i love my mini, and i love the fact that it eats everything thrown at it, but i wont trash the AR because i dont own one, YET >:D
Dangerousrobb 9 months ago
my ar is more accurate then my 14, im also able to shoot a little faster with the ar due to the buffering system on it. Although the mini seems to be able to shoot any garbage ammo i put into it. This video isnt accurate its just more of an opinion on what your better at shooting. Train with an ar and youll be shooting circles around the mini14 and vise versa.
fitbmxseries1 9 months ago
I have shot both... The Mini-14 is a fine weapon, but it would not hold up to the rigors of combat (having been in combat, mind you). There are too many moving parts on the Mini. The AR is a fantastic rifle. I don't want anyone to think I am downing the Mini... it is just that this poster is absolutely wrong... statements are in no way accurate.
lancebaker155 9 months ago
@lancebaker155 The Mini14 is based off of the M14, which is based off of the M1 Garand. They all have just as moving parts. They don't malfuction all the time like M16s when dirty. The M1 Garand and AK47 has a moving part that the AR does not, to keep it working. It's called a gas piston. M14s are being pulled from storage because of lack of range and stopping power of the M16.
43m1garand 7 months ago
Although the mini is not ideal for deer, it can be done. I shot my first with my mini at 50 yards. One shot to the heart drops a 163 lb 4 pointer good.
jwwhite207 9 months ago
I have had an is stance where the action froze up on the mini. It was my fault because I didn't clean it after a day at the range then I let it sit for a couple of months. The gas block has a nipple that fits into the big chunk of steel on the front of the action bar. I had corrosion build up around the nipple and it froze up the action. I had to use my foot to push back the bolt. Another lesson learned the hard way.
drake0074 10 months ago
@semiautoriflelover I agree. I will repeat my comment. It is much easier to field strip an AR. Pull two takedown pins, remove the bolt carrier assembly and charging handle and scrub away. The mini, on the other hand, is rather annoying if you want to remove the bolt. It's almost an art.
drake0074 10 months ago
@The1MOA yes, the only mini's I've ever fired were the very old ones made in the 80s, the barrels were so thin and it would heat up and throw the shots. Even my AK was more accurate(Norinco). To be completely honest though, a free floated heavy barreled AR15 would be a very tough competition for really any semiauto made. That is a huge advantage having a thick free floated barrel, this is why they rule at camp perry. Add match barrel free floated and you are all set.
semiautoriflelover 10 months ago
@The1MOA I worked at a rifle range for 10 years and never saw a mini 14 that could get 1" groups at 50 yards even with me shooting. I guess now the newer ones are more accurate with the heavier barrels. It all depends on the shooters, you see a moron fire an AR15 then people say they won but let me shoot both rifles and judge.
semiautoriflelover 10 months ago
I was wondering if you would like to have a challenge, I will use my AK74 and my M4 against your 5 MOA mini 14.
semiautoriflelover 10 months ago
mini 14....cant polish a turd
slopothacrop 10 months ago
Yes, the ar clearly failed in this test. The mini14 was definately the victor by far! Nice scientific work!
atvkilla1 10 months ago
@atvkilla1 Yea....... right.
pwchesser 4 weeks ago
I own a Tacitcal Mini-14 (4th gen) and its a fantastic weapon, but ill be honest...saying it "owns" the AR-15 is fucking ignorant. Not only are you shooting MUCH too far for a CARBINE, no one can see ANYTHING your hitting, there was no way of us seeing what you shot. Stop being a dumb fucking redneck and making the rest of us mini shooters look bad.
darthfoti 10 months ago
you need to update the stock, dude...look to TAPCO for a much better stock that adds an aggressive look and a better feel to the rifle.
scottandrewmalone 10 months ago
@scottandrewmalone
Oh hell no!!!!! The BUtler Creek stock is by far 1000 times better that the tapco stock. Tapco stocks are cheap and have a toy feeling to them. They also twist and bend.
warnyou 10 months ago 2
@warnyou You didn't even have an Ar-15 to compare it too. What is up with that man!? For real though, if you really love your Mini, you should look into upgrading the stock, if you already haven't. The best stock to get is from Troy industries, check it out, pricey, but worth it. Also, look into Springfield M1A.
somedirtyangel 5 months ago
@scottandrewmalone You just like the way the Tapco looks regardless of it's cheapness. Your like those people who put fat tires on their off road vehicles because they like the way it looks. Ever wonder why the rest of the world uses less extreme tire widths on off road vehicles that actually make long runs off road in places like Africa, ,Indonesia , South America. Because it is proven better, like the BC stock is better than the Tapco.
OdinsCloud 3 months ago
They're both m14's. I can tell cause the ar15 normally doesn't come with any sights and if it does they don't look like the forked sights u had. Nice gun though
rampagemcpherson 10 months ago
@rampagemcpherson What? the AR15s come with sights, in fact they have some of the best sight options you can find. I had many with fixed match sights.
semiautoriflelover 10 months ago
i would bet money that at least 75% of the people making negative comments about the Mini and its accuracy have never owned or shot one
chronicgeebs 11 months ago 30
@chronicgeebs its a well known thing that mini 14's are 2-3MOA rifles and are not an inherently accurate platform. the role of the rifle isnt to be a marksman rifle though, its to be a tactical rifle out to 200 yards. the ar-15 is much more accurate, there is no doubt. only a highly modified mini-14 will shoot sub-moa, while there are many ar-15's out of the box that shoot .5-1.5 moa. 2moa is a relatively inaccurate ar-15. mini 14s have thin barrels. they are made for affordable reliability.
HippieHunta 7 months ago
@chronicgeebs You have to be a moron in denial with a retarded comment like that.
7x57mmMauser 7 months ago
@7x57mmMauser No your the moron, Buy buy the AR and dump that piece of shit. i have Both rifles and the mini 14 can't compare at any level. Gimmie a break. Face it, you bought it because it was cheap and you couldn't afford the AR, and don't lie about it, cause I know you are. When you can truly test and compare both rifles at the range get back to me- and I know you wont. Your silly degrading post backed by nothing only makes you look stupid.
pwchesser 4 weeks ago
@chronicgeebs I have owned several since 1975. And there absolute trash Glad you like yours!!!
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b2flyer1 11 months ago
It is also much easier and faster to field strip an AR. With all that said I still wouldn't sell my mini. There is just something about that Garand action while it's cycling.
drake0074 11 months ago
@drake0074 If you can't filed strip an AR15 in 15 seconds with ease you must be a low IQ. Anyone who says it's complex is not very smart. I can take mine apart with one hand on video, actually I have a video doing this making fun of guys saying it's hard to take apart.
semiautoriflelover 10 months ago
Thumbs down because I see no proof. I own both and love both. See all that gas? You definitely don't want to fire that thing without eye protection. I learned that the hard way. If I had to pick one it would be the AR any day. It is so much more smooth because it doesnt have nearly as much metal sliding back and forth.
drake0074 11 months ago
their like my kids,i own both,i love both
naomikitai 11 months ago
I will say this, my MIni14 is way more reliable than my AR and can shoot a much wider variety of ammo.
volksjager8 11 months ago
Niether is better, but saying Ar's are for suckers is saying the U.S. military is composed of suckers O.o However I know both can take a target at 500 yards, the Ar IS more versitile, the Mini IS more durable and reliable, the AR does have more consistant accuracy, bcuz ive never seen anyone complain about AR accuracy, and ive seen bout' half of the Mini owners complain about accuracy past 200 yards. Ar is faster to reload, mini is cheaper, bot' same weight. Thats about all the agruement there.
SuperSneakySniper 11 months ago 2
AR rifles are accurate and reliable... but if you get a speck of dirt in there, or dont clean after every session, good luck. I clean my guns after i use them but its good to know my ak will fire after i drop it in the mud. Mini-14's are boss by the way.
hassletheman 11 months ago
@Krautattack0311 Agreed. Depends on the situation and the correct choice of load for the rifle and the job at hand. I'd like to have an AR but have settled for a cheap (but surprisingly accurate) M14 clone, an old Mini 14 (original twist) and a Ruger 10/22 (the three of which I see as a kind of natural progression from battle rifle to plinkster) and all of which cost me a lot less than an AR would. Maybe one day though I'll get that AR...
oblonglemon 11 months ago
@Krautattack0311 And until the top brass messed with the 1:14 barrel twist originally designed into the AR15 by Eugene Stoner that tumbling round idea worked sweet with 55grain FMJs. But then they decided to improve accuracy at range by speeding up the twist to 1:12 - which stabilised the round and improved accuracy but stopped the round tumbling, crippling the effectiveness of the M16s being deployed to GIs in the field and leaving them weeping for their long lost M14s.... I'm just saying...
oblonglemon 11 months ago
anyone that knows about mini 30 and mini 14 guns know they are great. they buy them because springfield m1 and m14 rifles are awesome but very costly. mini 14 ect. sell today because they hold up to all of todays standards at a fraction of the cost. great gun. dont down play it ar owners... i got an AR myself.
TURBOPOE 1 year ago
ok if ar15s are for suckers than mini 14s are for people who cant afford a decent ar15. i didnt even see an ar15 in this stupid video so how is it ar15 vs mini 14? mini 14 never wins
socom16762mm 1 year ago
It would take a huge leap of faith for me to fire any weapon, much less a semi-auto without eye protection.
MiserableOldFart 1 year ago
Ahemm!....Mini 14's are not known for being accurate. I have shot against my friend with his Mini and my AR-15 on several occasions and it's really no contest. We even switched guns. AR all the way. My AK-47 can match a Mini up to 200+ yds. Just saying .My AK is much more fun and cheaper to shoot as well. It's a tractor and requires nothing but ammo and It hit's harder than any 223.
sandrifter 1 year ago
first off,shooting deer with a mini in calif. seems common place for poachers in calif. second,BOTH rifles have major plus/minus.
mini-can be found cheap used and are fun to shoot. i can hit orange clays at 250-300 w/flip ups and my spikes 20" varm barrel.
nationjanes 1 year ago
@nationjanes We shoot the orange clays but we get bamboo Bar-B-Que skewers and a hot glue gun and glue the sticks to the clays. The night before we shoot we glue up 50/60 each of them. We get in the Jeep and ride down range and push them in the dirt at 100 yd. spacings until we are way the heck out there. They are bio-degradable so no big deal. You can set up races and make up games with them. Way fun! Great for kids and beginners too. Super for pistol practice.
sandrifter 1 year ago
My brother recently owned one of the cheapest ar-15s on the market, it was a DPMS sportical carbine, we did nothing with aftermarket parts and did not modify it in anyway. slapped a cheapo barska scope on it and it was a tack driver out to about 300 yards. Out of the box it was shooting under one inch group at 100 yards. he needed a deer rifle and got a mini in 6.8 spc, i can tell you here and now that it was the most inaccurate rifle i have ever shot. 4 to 5 inch groups at just fifty yards.
sandmankid 1 year ago
@sandmankid
Well, if the Ar was so good he could have made head shots with 1 inch groups at 100 yards. Why switch? he should have gotten a bolt action .308 or .243 for deer. sounds like he made a bad choice picking a mini for deer. I would not think of shooting at deer with my mini and you can see video proof how great I can shoot.
warnyou 1 year ago
@warnyou
why would someone think of shooting .223 at a deer. its considered a rodent sized animal caliber.
ps
its funny how we take .223 out to war. the military must think the terrorists are LITERALLY rodents, they do hide in caves and run away at danger so idk maybe there right? just my joke and a small fact
richyrich2336 1 year ago
@warnyou I had the target mini 14 with the laminate stock. It was nice to shoot but it didnt shoot worth anything. Lesson learnt... if you want a target gun dont get a semi.
bzhfbz 1 year ago
@bzhfbz you must have gotten a lemon... mine came with a scope and will shoot 3/4 inch groups at 100 yds. i havent tried anything past that as the club does not have a longer range :/
foxvw 11 months ago
@foxvw yeah I could have. I wasn't really as into a semi auto as i thought i would be... im more of a bolt action guy
bzhfbz 11 months ago
@sandmankid the 6.8spc is quickly becoming notorious for inaccuracy problems. i suggest an early model ranch rifle or my good old standby, the m1a.
JACKnoSally 1 year ago
@sandmankid sounds like the shooter
SasquatchIsTexan 9 months ago
@sandmankid You have to be careful with using scopes on the Ruger. The scope mounting system can easily loosen and open up your groupings. I have the bolts snug and use blue loctite.
Weo510 9 months ago
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@sandmankid You have to be careful with using scopes on the Ruger. The scope mounting system can easily loosen and open up your groupings. I have the bolts snug and use blue loctite.
Weo510 9 months ago
@sandmankid I think the question at hand is what series was the mini he was using? Ruger has made big improvements on accuracy in recent years.
Reic333 6 months ago
@sandmankid I agree with you. I have owned several mini 14 rifles in various configurations over the years and accuracy is about the same 4-5 inch groups at 75-100 yards. I finally gave up and went to grizzly fire arms in woodland park CO. I laid the gun in front of the gunsmith and asked him to do something to fix this issue. response? Sorry, nothing I can do It's a hundred yard plinker and thats the end of the hunt. I have never owned another... and never will.
pwchesser 6 months ago
@pwchesser I have a Mini 14 and 30. I like them. They have their place. But you are right about their accuracy. They could never out shoot an AR.
floridafyme 5 months ago
So you shot a mini-14 with some after-market garbage attached to it and show no AR for comparison and base your decision upon what exactly??? No stock mini-14 - especially the older thin barrel models - can touch an AR for accuracy. I notice you don't use a scope, could that be because after you'd fired your magazine your scope pciture would be obscured by all the heat rippling off that barrel? lol!!
redlegagent 1 year ago
Look here Chubs, now I have both AR's and now a Mini, and both are fine rifles... The AR is a more accurate rifle, the edge to theoretical reliability goes to the op-rod Mini... that being said... The US Army continues to be a fan, as do the Marines... even the IDF went from the Galil to the AR....
I have never met a real world "end user" (and I know a few) who shits on the AR... that seems to be the activity of your 300+ lbs Chocodile commandos...
gpwasr10 1 year ago
@gpwasr10 Chocodile commandos, thats fucking hilarious, i've got to use that line on some of the wanabees i know.
thelonehighlander 1 year ago
@thelonehighlander You're welcome! ;-)
gpwasr10 11 months ago
@gpwasr10 i really think that the mini is more reliable, it depends on your needs whether that makes it better or not, but I also like having a read wood stock and metal instead of space age plastics. it just feels more like a battle rifle. The pistol grip is some kinda composite on the mini too, though.
10willda 1 year ago
What was that suppose to mean? AR15 vs MINI-14?
I just saw someone standing, shooting a semi auto. What?
It doesn't say a thing.
That wasn't a "test" of anything.
GutpileCharlie 1 year ago
If the ar sucks so bad,then why has our military been using it since the 1960's?? They are both good rifles, i just like the ar 15 because it is easy to field strip and very accurate.
edthemetalhead 1 year ago
@edthemetalhead im not sure why they still use ar-15's and m16's ,i personally think there are better guns out there for the job ,but i know they have made ALOT of improvements since the shitty ass m16s they used in vietnam
im not saying ar-15's or m16's suck i just prefer a rifle that will do the same job with more durability and require less maintenance
splatterYOURbeak 1 year ago
@splatterYOURbeak Most of the problems in Vietnam stemmed from the soldiers not having any training on how to properly clean the M16, nor the equipment to do so. The other major issue was ammo use. The m16a1 had full auto capability, which caused many troops to use up their mags too quickly.
It is a fine weapon system when properly maintained, and has a proven track record. It's main issue today is more an issue of FMJ not being a one shot stopper.
point177 1 year ago
It takes less skill to shoot an AR because they're pretty accurate out of the box, so, Amateurs with money are in luck!!. They are also very high maintenance and not very reliable. Toss a mini into a pond, dig it out of the mud and it'll shoot. Do that same thing to an AR and it'll blow up in your face.
xRAWSAWx 1 year ago
600 vs 1200 no thanks can do the same with both :)
kevlarsniper1 1 year ago
The A-Team was in vietnam, and after the war they chose the Mini-14 because it was far a better rifle.... more reliable, stronger, less prone to malfunction, that is why it is called the jamless wonder... =)
coldblood75 1 year ago 2
@coldblood75 the mini is .223, the normal M14 we used in nam is 7.62x51mm
XvChriisvX 1 year ago
@coldblood75 lolololol
nmhornd 1 year ago
I also prefer the Mini. Especially when everybody runs out of ammo, at least a full Stock Mini can be used as a club. I wouldn't trust a AR stock to hit someone upside the head with it.
pveg65 1 year ago
anyone who would choose an ar over a mini 14 is just too stupid and rich to be shooting guns
splatterYOURbeak 1 year ago
@splatterYOURbeak how a Mini-14 for the most part cost less than an AR?
chevygearhead454 1 year ago
@chevygearhead454 most AR's are like 800-1200 depends on what model or if its used, you can buy a mini 14 rancher at walmart for like i dont remember, maybe 500-700? i dont know id say around 600, im not very good at prices tho, i jus know a AR is way more expensive lol
XvChriisvX 1 year ago
@splatterYOURbeak
Totally different rifles with totally different strengths and weaknesses, genius.
VHOBSESSED78 1 year ago
@VHOBSESSED78 you're obviously an ar fanboy, i would say they are totally different rifles, one with many strengths(the mini) and one with many weaknesses(the ar) im not teling anyone not to buy an ar, i mean if you have money to waste then go for it but when i see it have problems at the range bet your ass i'll be pointing and laughing at you.
splatterYOURbeak 1 year ago
@splatterYOURbeak
I'm sorry, but you're a fucking idiot. If your spelling is any indication of your overall intelligence, you don't need to own or be around guns.
Have you considered shooting yourself? If not, you probably should.
VHOBSESSED78 1 year ago
@VHOBSESSED78 oh come on buddy pull that dick out of your ass and chill out
calling me stupid because i misspelled telling? you're a fucking joke
you are the one who shouldnt be around guns going off like that for no reason,looks to me like you have some anger or mental issues.
splatterYOURbeak 1 year ago
@splatterYOURbeak Mini's are turds.
sandrifter 1 year ago
well, i guess its a matter of opinion then because two out of five people i shoot with sold theirs for a AR, one is in the process and the other two are ok with it. Happy shooting..
BigAnts909 1 year ago
FOR the AR fans please read this:>> (CBS/AP) In the chaos of an early morning assault on a remote U.S. outpost in eastern Afghanistan, Staff Sgt. Erich Phillips' M4 carbine quit firing as militant forces surrounded the base. When the battle in the small village of Wanat ended, nine U.S. soldiers lay dead and 27 more were wounded. A detailed study of the attack by a military historian found that weapons failed repeatedly at a "critical moment" during the firefight
b2flyer1 1 year ago
The gun mishaps raise the question: Eight years into the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan, do U.S. armed forces have the best guns money can buy?
Despite the military's insistence that they do, a small but vocal number of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq has complained that the standard-issue M4 rifles need too much maintenance and jam at the worst possible times:..The Mini14's action is based on the M1 Garrand proven during WW2 to be RELIABLE
b2flyer1 1 year ago
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XvChriisvX 1 year ago
@XvChriisvX I made you cry again, didn't I?
StuPedassle711 1 year ago
@StuPedassle711 dont you have somthing better to do kid? get a life
XvChriisvX 1 year ago
@XvChriisvX Cry more.
StuPedassle711 1 year ago