Why does the government recognize marriage in the first place?
Makes Prop 8 look like an exercise in futility...
But yeah, you may want to try to look a little more presentable when you're attempting to make a serous video such as this. Coupled with your tendency to get enraged with comments at the drop of a hat; your argument suffers greatly.
Dont have to look like a model, just try look presentable for the camera. You just look like some angry kid in a room that's been picked on. You refuse to beautify yourself because of society. Maybe it ;s really because you feel you can't look that way. Man, those highschool kids must have picked on for days. On you tube u can feel like somebody, but your still the geek kid in glass with low self esteem. Sad really
i'm "sad"? i'm not re the 32-year-old watching cartoons on youtube and trying to make a perfectly comfortable-in-her-own-skin woman feel somehow worthless with empty, inane words.
do you understand that your pseudo-psychological ramblings are meaningless and off-base? do you understand how sad your life is that you actually concern yourself with what immature high school kids think of anything? do you understand what a failure you are in god's eyes?
seriously? you watch a video about my political views and all you can say is that i "look so old" and should "fix myself up"?
once again, i REFUSE to constrain myself to yours or society's standards of beauty. i'm supposed to come home from 12 hours of classes and 4 hours of activism and look like a fucking pinup model?
STOP BLAMING YOUR SEXISM ON JESUS!!! you give an even worse name to a religion that doesn't need even an ounce more of bad press.
Great video, dear. Thanks for doing your part to help people in this election. Even though we were set back, this is only a set back. We will prevail.
I really appreciated the voter guide being shown and hearing the actual words to the proposition. I live in Seattle, WA. (also: blushing shyly, nice cleavage).
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What a great video!! Hopefully, soon, people will realize, if it feels good, it must BE good, too! As a 52 y/o man wanting to marry my 14 y/o girlfriend, I know just how the gays feel! I'm really sick and tired of religious fanatics legislating what two consenting humans choose to do!
If you don't agree with me, you are a racist, ageist, knuckle-dragging moron who ought not be allowed to vote!
I think it's important to know that Prop 8 is really only that 1 sentence long. It has nothing to do with all of the random arguments people use to turn people against it, nothing to do with schools, nothing to do with kids.
People who are blessed to have a degree of the spirit of prophecy can easily see what the ramifications of redefining marriage will do to our society. An adult should full well know the great latitude of possibilities that exists whenever a diverse culture like America is open to interpret laws as they wish. Prop 8 narrows the possibility down to a SAFE level for the entire country, albeit at the expense of those who want to abuse the system.
Just as well, a society that restricts freedom and is intolerant will only create a divided and opposing society. An adult should full well know the great latitude of possibilities that exists whenever a diverse culture like America is open to being unfair to one group, but not another.
WhyNotTruth (3 hours ago) wrote: "Just as well, a society that restricts freedom and is intolerant will only create a divided and opposing society."
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A string restricts a kite from flying off to freedom and eminent destruction. Restrictions do have a very good purpose at times. The civil rights of a few, when compared to the collective body of a particular nation, often times must be sacrificed because the principles predicating the collective body will preserve that nation.
Yeah and how is letting gay people get married undermining the nation? How is letting gay people get married, letting our country fly off into eminent destruction? There is nothing to show that will happen aside from your own paranoia. There is nothing to show that it has any negative effect at all, so your argument is baseless. The bottom line, inequality is what we all should be fighting against. Maybe next time they will come for your rights...
Gay people can do whatever the hell they want. But I don't think it's right for MY government (which I assume is YOUR'S too) redefining my religious beliefs for me, unless the principles used are based on truth.
I am willing to consider, but no homosexual supporter has yet presented a reasonable case based on correct principles that explain why homosexuals qualify for the heterosexual institution of marriage. That failure is a pretty convincing argument to hold the position I have.
What if someone interprets the bible in their own way (just like you do) and then the government amends the constitution to say that they cannot see the bible the way they see it, the have to see it the way the other people see it. That's just wrong, bottom line. It's actually the same argument you are making!! If you believe in religious freedom you can't restrict someone elses freedom just because you don't agree with it.
"I am willing to consider..." (with the way you talk, I highly doubt it)
Switch a few nouns and you are a segregationist.
I am willing to consider, but no (de-segregationist) supporter has yet presented a reasonable case based on correct principles that explain why (Black people) qualify for the (White) institution of (America).
Despite what prop 8 supporters say prop 8 actually does take away rights. Rights including long-term care insurance, state veteran benefits, tax exemption of inheritance, pension plan survivor benefits and marriage.
Thank you for translating such a beautiful message into so many diverse languages, and thank you for helping debunk the falsities being spread by the proponents' campaign! :o)
Look at the facts-children are being taught (as a result of the ruling in May) that homosexual marriage is the same as heterosexual marriage-when it's not the same.
Vote YES on 8.
Go ahead, delete this comment-sometimes the truth hurts.
Don't think that I hate you though. For some reason, those fighting for "equality" seem to hate me for supporting Prop. 8. It's just going to get worse if it doesn't pass. They/you want rights, but only for everyone who agrees with you.
Obviously you didn't watch my whole video if you think I'm going to delete your comment; everyone is entitled to an opinion. Those of us fighting for equality don't hate you for having the opinion you do; we just don't believe that "separate but equal" is equal and we feel that Prop 8 makes a sect of individuals into second-class citizens, a la the civil rights and women's suffrage movements. Because that affects a lot of our lives directly, it's hard to just sit and take it.
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As far as the civil rights movement, there is no comparison. The difference is that people can choose to not be gay (we all have sin, and for some, their sin is that of giving into homosexual attractions). They cant however choose their race. People cant say I used to be black however there are people who can say I used to be gay.
Actually, sexuality being a choice is an utter MYTH. I have been aware of whom I am attracted to since I was 3 years old and so has everyone I know, regardless of sexuality. Did you choose to be straight? More importantly, what on God's green Earth do you think would make someone *choose* to be a hated and discriminated against sexual orientation?
Finally, sexual orientation has nothing to do with "giving in to homosexual attractions." There are plenty of married folk who *never* have sex!
gemini0577 wrote: "yes... I have always loved that "choice" argument... but... when you ask if they have chosen to be straight... they never answer... hmmm..."
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Well let's see, here. Should I chose to be straight or should I chose to be crooked? Oh! I chose to be straight.
TADA!
Does it really take a life-changing moment to make that choice. I bet you had no way to make that choice until you knew there "was" one. Otherwise you'd be subjecting yourself to those of the opposite sex.
I'm curious why you don't feel that marriage is marriage is marriage -- religious beliefs aside.
In California, it is completely legal to become an integral part of your child's academic life -- and to remove them from any courses, lessons, or field trips. All parents have to do is stay on top of their child's academics and keep in regular touch with their teachers if they're *so* worried about these repercussions, but they'd rather take rights away from everybody else? It's disconcerting.
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Marriage, by definition, and from its establishment (not sure when you believe it was created, but I believe God created it in Genesis-you cant remove that religious aspect), is a union of the two halves of humanity.
... There is nothing in that proposition which would teachers have to teach children about queer marraige in school. So... this argument really has no basis. If you can contradict this using facts I would be more than willing to listen.
p.s. Why did you put quotation marks around equality?
p.p.s. Of course some individuals are not gonna like you because you are supporting a prop that will take away our right to marry. People tend to get a tad upset when you try to take away their rights...
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If they ever teach about marriage, and gay marriage is legal and normal, then they will have to teach both heterosexual and homosexual marriage, its only logical.
I think you're confusing California's education code with that of Massachusetts. In California, students are by default not allowed to attend classes about personal and sexual health or family without a parental waiver. Remember getting those waivers signed as a kid?
And California also has a strictly enforced opt-out policy, which allows parents to take their child out of *any* classes they feel uncomfortable with. Stay on top of your child's academics; it's that simple.
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Because people call gay marriage (in my opinion, its not marriage, whatever anyone says) equality, in that they have the same rights as others. However, how can we treat same-sex and opposite-sex marriage equally, when they are different?
It's your right to have the opinion that they are different, but I respectfully disagree.
I have studied the history of sociology as well as theology and have come to the personal conclusion that the only reason gender is even ever mentioned in the requirements for getting a marriage license (i.e., "getting married) is because of systematically injected fear and hatred by the ruling *minority*.
It's the same reason we used to have Black slaves and didn't let women vote.
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The end goal (under the name of equality) is to silence all those in opposition (or at least those who dont condone it fully). You act like this is something you have had for a long time. Its only been legalized for about six months. I believe our laws should protect others and promote what is good for our society.
Actually, if Prop 8 passes *it* will silence the opposition (us). If it doesn't pass, no one will be silenced. Under California law, neither religious marriage sites and adoption agencies nor public schools will be required to change *anything*. So Prop 8 doesn't "protect" anything but long-standing discrimination against the unknown.
We're not trying to silence anybody. We're fighting for our rights. We believe equality *is* what's best for society.
Prop 8 passed!
freakylocz14 11 months ago
Why does the government recognize marriage in the first place?
Makes Prop 8 look like an exercise in futility...
But yeah, you may want to try to look a little more presentable when you're attempting to make a serous video such as this. Coupled with your tendency to get enraged with comments at the drop of a hat; your argument suffers greatly.
San Diego FTW!!
ColBarnaby 2 years ago
ninjazoner - you're lame
amishaangel 2 years ago
Dont have to look like a model, just try look presentable for the camera. You just look like some angry kid in a room that's been picked on. You refuse to beautify yourself because of society. Maybe it ;s really because you feel you can't look that way. Man, those highschool kids must have picked on for days. On you tube u can feel like somebody, but your still the geek kid in glass with low self esteem. Sad really
ninjazoner 2 years ago
i'm "sad"? i'm not re the 32-year-old watching cartoons on youtube and trying to make a perfectly comfortable-in-her-own-skin woman feel somehow worthless with empty, inane words.
do you understand that your pseudo-psychological ramblings are meaningless and off-base? do you understand how sad your life is that you actually concern yourself with what immature high school kids think of anything? do you understand what a failure you are in god's eyes?
danimo17 2 years ago
man, u look so old. fix yourself up before u go before the camera. Have some self respect. Oh, Jesus.
ninjazoner 2 years ago
seriously? you watch a video about my political views and all you can say is that i "look so old" and should "fix myself up"?
once again, i REFUSE to constrain myself to yours or society's standards of beauty. i'm supposed to come home from 12 hours of classes and 4 hours of activism and look like a fucking pinup model?
STOP BLAMING YOUR SEXISM ON JESUS!!! you give an even worse name to a religion that doesn't need even an ounce more of bad press.
danimo17 2 years ago
Very well put and true.
XCocoXIsXQueenX26 2 years ago
Great video, dear. Thanks for doing your part to help people in this election. Even though we were set back, this is only a set back. We will prevail.
MatthiasFarland 3 years ago
erase the hate NO ON 8
juggalo37 3 years ago
I really appreciated the voter guide being shown and hearing the actual words to the proposition. I live in Seattle, WA. (also: blushing shyly, nice cleavage).
ClanWolfstorm 3 years ago 4
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What a great video!! Hopefully, soon, people will realize, if it feels good, it must BE good, too! As a 52 y/o man wanting to marry my 14 y/o girlfriend, I know just how the gays feel! I'm really sick and tired of religious fanatics legislating what two consenting humans choose to do!
If you don't agree with me, you are a racist, ageist, knuckle-dragging moron who ought not be allowed to vote!
HoldenInPDX 3 years ago
Please allow video responses.
Hemaun 3 years ago
Thank you!
Hemaun 3 years ago
I think it's important to know that Prop 8 is really only that 1 sentence long. It has nothing to do with all of the random arguments people use to turn people against it, nothing to do with schools, nothing to do with kids.
Cool video! =)
strapingyounglad 3 years ago 4
Thanks baby! I love you. ^_^
danimo17 3 years ago
People who are blessed to have a degree of the spirit of prophecy can easily see what the ramifications of redefining marriage will do to our society. An adult should full well know the great latitude of possibilities that exists whenever a diverse culture like America is open to interpret laws as they wish. Prop 8 narrows the possibility down to a SAFE level for the entire country, albeit at the expense of those who want to abuse the system.
Hemaun 3 years ago
Just as well, a society that restricts freedom and is intolerant will only create a divided and opposing society. An adult should full well know the great latitude of possibilities that exists whenever a diverse culture like America is open to being unfair to one group, but not another.
WhyNotTruth 3 years ago 2
WhyNotTruth (3 hours ago) wrote: "Just as well, a society that restricts freedom and is intolerant will only create a divided and opposing society."
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A string restricts a kite from flying off to freedom and eminent destruction. Restrictions do have a very good purpose at times. The civil rights of a few, when compared to the collective body of a particular nation, often times must be sacrificed because the principles predicating the collective body will preserve that nation.
Hemaun 3 years ago
Yeah and how is letting gay people get married undermining the nation? How is letting gay people get married, letting our country fly off into eminent destruction? There is nothing to show that will happen aside from your own paranoia. There is nothing to show that it has any negative effect at all, so your argument is baseless. The bottom line, inequality is what we all should be fighting against. Maybe next time they will come for your rights...
WhyNotTruth 3 years ago 2
Gay people can do whatever the hell they want. But I don't think it's right for MY government (which I assume is YOUR'S too) redefining my religious beliefs for me, unless the principles used are based on truth.
I am willing to consider, but no homosexual supporter has yet presented a reasonable case based on correct principles that explain why homosexuals qualify for the heterosexual institution of marriage. That failure is a pretty convincing argument to hold the position I have.
Hemaun 3 years ago
What if someone interprets the bible in their own way (just like you do) and then the government amends the constitution to say that they cannot see the bible the way they see it, the have to see it the way the other people see it. That's just wrong, bottom line. It's actually the same argument you are making!! If you believe in religious freedom you can't restrict someone elses freedom just because you don't agree with it.
WhyNotTruth 3 years ago 2
"Gay people can do whatever the hell they want."
Except get married.
"Unless the principles used are based on truth."
Who's truth? Your beliefs or someone elses?
"I am willing to consider..." (with the way you talk, I highly doubt it)
Switch a few nouns and you are a segregationist.
I am willing to consider, but no (de-segregationist) supporter has yet presented a reasonable case based on correct principles that explain why (Black people) qualify for the (White) institution of (America).
WhyNotTruth 3 years ago 2
Enough is enough! Only the facts will answer everyone's questions and opinions. Please view the facts at: .com/watch?v=4JZIJnJWZBQ
LiluBob 3 years ago
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danimo17 3 years ago
VOTE NO on PROP 8
Vote NO sobre la Proposición 8
投反对票的命题八
8つの命題はないに投票
8 없다에 투표 제안
प्रस्ताव आठ नहीं पर वोट
Despite what prop 8 supporters say prop 8 actually does take away rights. Rights including long-term care insurance, state veteran benefits, tax exemption of inheritance, pension plan survivor benefits and marriage.
NOtoPROP8 3 years ago 6
Thank you for translating such a beautiful message into so many diverse languages, and thank you for helping debunk the falsities being spread by the proponents' campaign! :o)
danimo17 3 years ago
Look at the facts-children are being taught (as a result of the ruling in May) that homosexual marriage is the same as heterosexual marriage-when it's not the same.
Vote YES on 8.
Go ahead, delete this comment-sometimes the truth hurts.
Don't think that I hate you though. For some reason, those fighting for "equality" seem to hate me for supporting Prop. 8. It's just going to get worse if it doesn't pass. They/you want rights, but only for everyone who agrees with you.
BecauseofHimIlive 3 years ago
Obviously you didn't watch my whole video if you think I'm going to delete your comment; everyone is entitled to an opinion. Those of us fighting for equality don't hate you for having the opinion you do; we just don't believe that "separate but equal" is equal and we feel that Prop 8 makes a sect of individuals into second-class citizens, a la the civil rights and women's suffrage movements. Because that affects a lot of our lives directly, it's hard to just sit and take it.
danimo17 3 years ago
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As far as the civil rights movement, there is no comparison. The difference is that people can choose to not be gay (we all have sin, and for some, their sin is that of giving into homosexual attractions). They cant however choose their race. People cant say I used to be black however there are people who can say I used to be gay.
BecauseofHimIlive 3 years ago
Actually, sexuality being a choice is an utter MYTH. I have been aware of whom I am attracted to since I was 3 years old and so has everyone I know, regardless of sexuality. Did you choose to be straight? More importantly, what on God's green Earth do you think would make someone *choose* to be a hated and discriminated against sexual orientation?
Finally, sexual orientation has nothing to do with "giving in to homosexual attractions." There are plenty of married folk who *never* have sex!
danimo17 3 years ago
yes... I have always loved that "choice" argument... but... when you ask if they have chosen to be straight... they never answer... hmmm...
gemini0577 3 years ago 2
gemini0577 wrote: "yes... I have always loved that "choice" argument... but... when you ask if they have chosen to be straight... they never answer... hmmm..."
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Well let's see, here. Should I chose to be straight or should I chose to be crooked? Oh! I chose to be straight.
TADA!
Does it really take a life-changing moment to make that choice. I bet you had no way to make that choice until you knew there "was" one. Otherwise you'd be subjecting yourself to those of the opposite sex.
Hemaun 3 years ago
I'm curious why you don't feel that marriage is marriage is marriage -- religious beliefs aside.
In California, it is completely legal to become an integral part of your child's academic life -- and to remove them from any courses, lessons, or field trips. All parents have to do is stay on top of their child's academics and keep in regular touch with their teachers if they're *so* worried about these repercussions, but they'd rather take rights away from everybody else? It's disconcerting.
danimo17 3 years ago
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Marriage, by definition, and from its establishment (not sure when you believe it was created, but I believe God created it in Genesis-you cant remove that religious aspect), is a union of the two halves of humanity.
BecauseofHimIlive 3 years ago
... There is nothing in that proposition which would teachers have to teach children about queer marraige in school. So... this argument really has no basis. If you can contradict this using facts I would be more than willing to listen.
p.s. Why did you put quotation marks around equality?
p.p.s. Of course some individuals are not gonna like you because you are supporting a prop that will take away our right to marry. People tend to get a tad upset when you try to take away their rights...
LiberalBeta 3 years ago 3
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If they ever teach about marriage, and gay marriage is legal and normal, then they will have to teach both heterosexual and homosexual marriage, its only logical.
BecauseofHimIlive 3 years ago
I think you're confusing California's education code with that of Massachusetts. In California, students are by default not allowed to attend classes about personal and sexual health or family without a parental waiver. Remember getting those waivers signed as a kid?
And California also has a strictly enforced opt-out policy, which allows parents to take their child out of *any* classes they feel uncomfortable with. Stay on top of your child's academics; it's that simple.
danimo17 3 years ago
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Because people call gay marriage (in my opinion, its not marriage, whatever anyone says) equality, in that they have the same rights as others. However, how can we treat same-sex and opposite-sex marriage equally, when they are different?
BecauseofHimIlive 3 years ago
It's your right to have the opinion that they are different, but I respectfully disagree.
I have studied the history of sociology as well as theology and have come to the personal conclusion that the only reason gender is even ever mentioned in the requirements for getting a marriage license (i.e., "getting married) is because of systematically injected fear and hatred by the ruling *minority*.
It's the same reason we used to have Black slaves and didn't let women vote.
danimo17 3 years ago
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The end goal (under the name of equality) is to silence all those in opposition (or at least those who dont condone it fully). You act like this is something you have had for a long time. Its only been legalized for about six months. I believe our laws should protect others and promote what is good for our society.
BecauseofHimIlive 3 years ago
Actually, if Prop 8 passes *it* will silence the opposition (us). If it doesn't pass, no one will be silenced. Under California law, neither religious marriage sites and adoption agencies nor public schools will be required to change *anything*. So Prop 8 doesn't "protect" anything but long-standing discrimination against the unknown.
We're not trying to silence anybody. We're fighting for our rights. We believe equality *is* what's best for society.
danimo17 3 years ago
Hey Hun, wish i could vote. You're looking hotter by the hour btw ;) love ya
jcd1617 3 years ago
love it!!!
LiberalBeta 3 years ago 4