for those who were speaking of the "disney version" you'ld be happy to know that it's easy to find on cd or on you tube(;)) it's in reality the version of yefim bronfman te famous pianist but for me there is no discussion possible it's shostakovich piece and so the one that can the best play it is shostakoivich himself
I actually love the tempos on his performance. Shostakovich's own recordings of these concertos hold great value. Interpretation wise it's also superb imho. Pretty sure most people are just used to much slower renditions...
lol not quite. on a scale 1-10 this is maybe a 3. this is an impressive sounding piece, but its not very difficult. the whole first movement is all in octaves. not much learning to do, and technically not hard. this recording should be cleaner, but i dont think shostakovich was concidered a top pianist, like prokofiev, and rachmaninoff at that time.
Hmm...Can someone tell me how hard they would rate this piece on a scale of 1-10? i just want to know cause i am playing this in an opus with a professional orchestra so i guess you could say i have mastered this piece. i just want to know where i stand
@xxiPr0digy Shosty wrote this for his son, who as 16 at the time. For a concert pianist, this is one of the easier concertos in the repertoire. As far as piano concertos go, it is around a 2 out of 10 for difficulty, but it can be 4 or 5ish if you want to play it as fast as Schostakovich, cleanly. It sounds harder than it is.
Not quite true. Are you a pianist? I am, and I'm working on this concerto now. A Haydn concerto is a 2 or 3. This isn't Rachmoninoff, but it is not easy. I'd say at least a 6.
This is my favorite concerto in the world! Shostakovich is the best!
@geekyviolinist Yeah, I agree with you. Although I find (technically speaking & handling in terms of strength, power and endurance) the Prokofiev Concerto nº3 the hardest. But overall (overall as in, having to connect the whole melody in huge phrases and such), I believe Rachmaninov's 3rd and Brahms 2nd are a bit more difficult than Prokofiev 3rd. That is my opinion of course!
@777wallaby777 His 2nd concerto is also quite nice, but I still find the 3rd the hardest of them all. The whole thing is just massive...! And the melody and overall composition of his 3rd is just unique, catchy, gorgeous... No words to describe ;)
yaa....he play it indeed too fast!!>< listen!! in 5:24 even the orchestra can't stand it try to put him back!
but i guess that's the Russian musican characteristic
but he is truely a great great player!!! hear those beautiful and clear as the pure glass sound!!it is really impressive!!!and the melody and harmony can be describe so perfectly!!
Is strange to get goosebumps & for your temperature to rise all at the same time while listening to this...... I didnt think so. This piece is amazing!!!!
All comments are valid! I still listen to baroque music played on modern instuments. Music of this quality and played to this level transcends us all as individuals but brings us all together.
I believe the spirit of a piece suffers so much from the transference to a page and then to another player. That much is lost in translation, so to speak. Even the best players can not be as fluent in the language of the mind of Shostakovitch as Shostakovitch himself ! Which, it is worth noting, is where this this piece existed first.
I love the tempo and the way he plays, it is so crazy and mental, it gives the piece a whole new outlook for me! THIS is the tempo it should have! Love you Shostakovich...all other interpretations seem boring compared to his.
@Ffiti2 it was in Fantasia 2000, it was the one where the toy soldier (missing an arm) falls in love with the toy ballerina, who is kidnapped by an evil jack-in-the-box. man, this sounds really messed up out of context xD
Love this piece and the tempo. It is more rhythmic than virtuoso. Although it's still very very challenging. Love the slow movement. I would always prefer to have someone else play my work. Takes me back to when I graduated from the Royal Ballet school and danced the lead in Kenneth Macmillan's "Concerto" with Darcey Bussell dancing the other lead part.
I think most composers in the past played their own stuff at a faster tempo and with less indulgence. They let the music speak for it's self.
Not every composer is capable of playing his/her own work at all, let alone how they intended it. If I were a composer, even if I could play the work, I'd want a virtuoso to premiere it.
I have to say that, as a composer, I get frustrated that I can't play my own works as well as I'd like. And as long as I can get the performer to understand where I was trying to go with the piece, I'd rather have a competent performer perform. Shostakovich, if he was, as I suspect, something of a perfectionist like me, would have been unhappy with this performance. The errors detract from the complete enjoyment of what is an excellent composition.
i dont understand, at what point was a concerto about how technically virtuosic the music is? Its a concerto - piano solo orchestral accompaniment - group of instruments. Besides, it may not 'sound' virtuosic, but to all the people commenting on this piece negatively, can you play it? i've played this and it requires some strong technique to play well. Anyway, listen to his first piano concerto if you need proof of virtuosic writing. I dont understand why people do this, its a great piece.
Concertos were almost always meant to show off the soloist. However, just because there are 32nd notes flying around everywhere, doesn't mean it's not virtuosic. His stuff is pretty rhythmic and if I'm thinking right there are lots of technical piano things in it that take time to work out. AKA left hand octaves. The trick is making is sound easy :)
Go from 2:13 and tell me that doesn't seem difficult.
I was lead to believe Dmitir wrote this for his son to play; hence not the "virtuso" concerto some might expect. In any event it's fun and inoffensive. No problem here, I guess if you're a snob it might me different.
4:18 is possibly my favorite musical moment ever. I'm really big into chords and progressions, and that was as close to a musical orgasm as you can get.
Actually this piece was written as a graduation present when his son Maxim graduated from the Moscow Conservatory.. However, I think the spirit of celebration is present regardless of the reason for composing.
Wow I'm used to hearing this song from the Fantasia soundtrack and they take it twice as slow... lol its like listening to the song on crack... Haha love it though!
I can't stop listening the part at 6:10!!! That modulation is just beautiful...! F major to Ab major and then passes to Ebm7 (or Gb major i think) and F major again, I'm going to try that!
Shostakovich was a better pianist than any dolt leaving comments on you-tube; the guy wrote a ridiculous amount of music......he wasn't an asian loser who spent his whole life practicing other people's music.
The only reason I suppose that there hasn't been any classical output from the Asians is because until very recently, they have been more or less isolated from the western musical world. Give it about 50 years or so, you'll hear works of genius that doubtless your mind will fail to comprehend.
@freshhh1994 of course, i'm sure i won't comprehend these future revolutionary works because all racists have low intelligence quotients. The japanese have their own classical music, in fact it was the first polyphonic music...but they nevertheless flock to western music because it is the most sophisticated the world has ever known. Wow you're really going out on a courageous limb here, attacking me with your wondrously avant-garde, and open-minded PC views.
are you implying that whites are superior to asians? because i think you are. you have no evidence that whites are superior to asians. the chinese created the novel, gunpowder, and fireworks. don't forget that while the europeans were walllowing in their own filth in for 1000 years (the middle ages) the asians were excelling in every way possible.
I agree with you completely, and there have already been very popular classical pieces written by "Asian" composers, they just need time for their pieces to be circulated, they need to pass away, and then people will recognise them as masterpieces. Many composers were not recognised until long after their deaths
And I suppose you're a prolific and successful composer? Better to practise other pieces of music than be bitter that you never made it because you didn't want to practise other people's music.
I think it's kind of silly to just stick with one interpetation when tons of them could still work, Franz liszt and Anton Rubenstein often played the same pieces very differently in their concerts, and Horowitz often changed his interpetations to, But those guys are heros there are no more heros.
Le tempo est parfait sauf durant les mesure 19 à 35. On pourrait croire à un glissement sensoriel, mauvais souvenir de Staline ou pire, Hiroshima. La suite est directement là. La concentration, la technique (???), le jeu trop pianistique (sans rubato) respectent le mouvement. Mesures 43-54 léger fléchissement volontaire, direction imprécise.
An genius composer is not an neccessarily a virtuoso instrumentalist.
I am not offering an opinion as to who plays this composition the best, but I think the fact that this is played by the original writer does not necessarily make it the best recording by any stretch.
(personally, this is my favourite recording however)
That's exactly right. I remember hearing this pianist, whose name I don't recall, say something like, "I can play Beethoven's piece better than Beethoven could have. He wrote the piece in a month then forgot about it. I studied the piece my entire life!"
The composer's role is to create the notes. The pianist's job is to create the sounds. So the composer could be, but is not always the best pianist for his own piece.
how anyone can criticise the performance or tempo of a piece played by its own composer beggars belief. I know there are some snobs and ignorami when it comes to youtube classical works but that takes the biscuit.!!!
This was actually composed for Marco Shostakovich (Dmitri Shostakovich's son) as a 19th birthday present. Guess how Marco spend his birthday? Premiering this fabulous birthday present!
this is in response to Ben McCormick's response. This piece is very rhythmically driven, it doesn't need that much dynamic contrast to be satiated emotionally. Listen to the rhythmic interplay between the orchestra and the solo. Its tense and intense. The nature of the piece itself could almost be considered machine-like, like a giant colossus. Maybe it is appropriate to play in this situation, "cold", because when somone is cold, obviously they are feeling an emotion toward someone/thing.
I don't find this interpretation to be cold at all. It may be fast tempo, but listen to the subtlety and the fire of the rhythmic drive (that you correctly identify). Just like I never find Heifetz to be cold. You are also correct that this is not Tchaikovsky - it is not intended to be a powerhouse over the top emotional romantic work.
You missed my point - I know a lot of Shostakovich's pieces are perfect enough as to not really require a huge a mount of contrast to show emotion.
There are, however, parts that are clearly implied as subtly louder or softer. Chiefly, the contrapuntal piano solo near the end is musically too much of a contrast to be played at the same dynamic, in my opinion.
I take issue more with the tempo here, though, as I find it too fast to show the full color of the piece.
I wasn't necessarily criticizing. But first point is - saying that a composer's tempo is *the* correct speed is perhaps too simplistic.
The way one plays other details of a piece can affect the way the tempo should go. Shostakovich plays it very heavily and very clearly, so his tempo is fitting. Some play with more dynamic contrast. A slower tempo allows for that spectrum to show. An individual musician finds a balance.
No piece is so perfect that it can only be played one "correct" way.
Possibly - though the very intention can change, interestingly - Rachmaninoff made multiple recordings of some of his works, changing the way he played drastically from one recording to the next. I still think that to play a piece with the sole aim of doing exactly what the composer did in his recording is a redundant effort. A composer's recording is always an interesting study, and always changes the way I hear the piece. But other interpretations can still be interesting (and good).
Meanwhile, I've heard a higher-quality version of this recording, and it is good - though Shostakovich himself clearly loses control at the end of the movement, and the rhythm goes way out of sync. Regardless, it is true - his ideas are interesting, but part of the great thing about getting multiple recordings of a piece - I have Hamelin, Bronfman, etc. - is hearing different perspectives, even if one is the composer's.
I see what you are saying and i concur, my point was not regarding interpretation, which is something the composer cannot do himself as such, as interpretation is something a performer of the written work must make, as you have said, however regarding the comments of him "playing it too fast" which i don't know whether that was you or not, is what i was referencing. Surely any performance of a piece by the composer should be taken as granted that it's how they intended at any given time for it!
Ah; I see. I generally agree, barring a composer being unable to play the piece, etc.
I didn't like this tempo, but I learned the piece listening to a single recording over and over. After getting used to this speed, I'm fine with it.
The same thing happened when I got to know Rhapsody in Blue, and then I heard another recording and hated it. Then I realized it was a recording made using a piano roll of Gershwin playing the solo...
In my experience, it's often the first recording of a piece that we enjoy the most, and others as different, make us think they are not as good, but alas, i think we have exhausted this conversation! Regards
@foxyjohnuk That's very often not the case. Many composers tend to have a distorted perception about their works - especially with regards to tempo and duration. They rarely are objective about those things, because when you know every note, your sense of anticipation and suspense is very different from that of a listener.
It's the same with texts. Authors are their own worst proofreaders. Try proofreading something you wrote; you will miss many errors that a neutral reader would easily spot.
@Timrath I would respectfully say that your literature parallel isn't accurate. If we were talking about errors in music, you would have been correct. But we were talking about interpretation. I would rather have the writer recite a portion of his writing than any other person. The author would say it exactly as his mind imagined it while writing, and that is valuable to me. I may not be able to proofread my writing as well as someone else, but I can certainly recite it better.
@TheTchaikomaniac Are you talking from experience, or do you merely conclude that from what you imagine about how art works? Because in my experience - both as an observer and as an actual victim of the phenomenon - I can say that this just isn't so.
Composers tend to interpret their works in a way that doesn't serve their intentions. They are hampered by a distorted perception of time, but also sometimes by modesty, sometimes technique (yes, even composers should practice - but most don't).
@Timrath Relax. I wasn't arguing your point. I was merely saying that your analogy was flawed. I believe the point is very valid. I compose a little and play violin. I can't play the interpretation that I feel. I know what you're saying and I agree with it. I just think that literature isn't a good parallel to use here. Proofreading a piece of writing is parallel to editing a piece of music, not playing it. A literary recitation would parallel playing music and I think the author does that best.
Exactly. I'm not apposed to interoperation, but it really is taboo, in my opinion, to go as far as insulting the composers performance as some people with their comments have done.
@foxyjohnuk the point is that when you play a piece, you'r somehow composing it at the same time, cos you need to feel the piece, and to do that you need to "interpret" the piece (that's why in spanish the performer's called "intérprete"), and that involves creation. The author may have his own interpretation, (but he could even have different interprattions in different states of his life, for instance), and that's ceratinly what he intended, but not necessarily the best possible.
@salroja a comment which backs up my original and seemingly popular statement haha..... listen to my interpretations if you like of classical on my profile, i'm no pianist of any distinction, however also on my profile you can see several original songs i wrote and perform, and i contend that i perform them just how they should be performed and noone else could sing or play them as correctly as me! :D
@foxyjohnuk Stylistically yes, but if I were to compose a piece, I would never intend for it to be played with even the minor timing issues as in this recording. Not that its a bad recording, but I will say that I've heard better. An awesome piece, however, regardless of the performer(s).
He definitely plays it as he intended to play it - if he can play well and Dmitri could -, but it's true that this is not the only valid interpretation of the piece. :)
@foxyjohnuk "As he intended," yes, is true; however, I believe that Muzikman127's point is that the way the composer intended is not necessarily the best way.
@Ffiti2 best? is there a best? come on. there's only what you LIKE best. And of course the way the composer intended it is the best, as he is the composer. (unless someone plays it even more like he wants it)
And if you don't like it, then you obviously don't like the composer that much?
anyways, stop saying things like that. Music is based on subjectivity so you can't state 'facts'.
Dimitry takes it rather speedily! Although interesting to hear the composer's own interpreation, I do very much prefer the recording I own with Leonard Bernstein as soloist.
Yeah... I'm actually not too thrilled by this version. Very fast, but seems very... two-dimensional.
He was a fabulous composer, but though he plays fast, he doesn't seem to have the best technique. Especially right at the end, it really sounds like he completely loses control.
I can't agree with you. I find this version quite musical. It may be be hard to know what you should be looking for in the music but when you do, you will really appreciate it. In addition, I am sure Shostakovich plays this piece exactly as how he ment it to be. If not, he would re-record the part he did not like.
The question of what a composer's recording is worth is an interesting one. Shostakovich was known for his cold playing style, which I can certainly see here - rhythmic rigidity all the way through, and very little dynamic contrast.
When I've performed my own work, I know it can be easy to underthink it, too - to dismiss whatever I write as less than it could be. I'm not saying my work is good; just that I sell it short, regardless.
Personally, I prefer the Yefim Bronfman recording, though.
for those who were speaking of the "disney version" you'ld be happy to know that it's easy to find on cd or on you tube(;)) it's in reality the version of yefim bronfman te famous pianist but for me there is no discussion possible it's shostakovich piece and so the one that can the best play it is shostakoivich himself
Shostakovichforever 2 weeks ago 2
hey you all, stop thinkin about difficulty level, and listen to the music. Technique is not a requisite for emotions.
FFulvi 3 weeks ago
I want this video on my Xenium 9@9t unit.
percygoff614 3 weeks ago
A 510 persone piace questo concerto, a 5 no. Onestamente credo che quelle 5 persone debbano maturare molto musicalmente.
“Dormi bambino mio, dormi dolcemente e senza apprensioni:
Provo tanto dolore quando ti vedo piangere”… J. G. Herder
FrancoBattaglia1987 3 weeks ago
I actually love the tempos on his performance. Shostakovich's own recordings of these concertos hold great value. Interpretation wise it's also superb imho. Pretty sure most people are just used to much slower renditions...
MultiAlejo90 1 month ago
180,000. viewer here.
sergen919 1 month ago
lol not quite. on a scale 1-10 this is maybe a 3. this is an impressive sounding piece, but its not very difficult. the whole first movement is all in octaves. not much learning to do, and technically not hard. this recording should be cleaner, but i dont think shostakovich was concidered a top pianist, like prokofiev, and rachmaninoff at that time.
augustleroy 1 month ago
Hmm...Can someone tell me how hard they would rate this piece on a scale of 1-10? i just want to know cause i am playing this in an opus with a professional orchestra so i guess you could say i have mastered this piece. i just want to know where i stand
xxiPr0digy 1 month ago
@xxiPr0digy On a scale to 1-10. I believe this piece is a 8-9 ( depending how fast you play it).
navybluebutterfly9 1 month ago
@xxiPr0digy Shosty wrote this for his son, who as 16 at the time. For a concert pianist, this is one of the easier concertos in the repertoire. As far as piano concertos go, it is around a 2 out of 10 for difficulty, but it can be 4 or 5ish if you want to play it as fast as Schostakovich, cleanly. It sounds harder than it is.
swissarmyspoon01 1 month ago in playlist schostakowitsch piano concerto 2
@swissarmyspoon01 well then...that's rather disheartening because this piece took me quite a while to learn...all summer in fact... :/
xxiPr0digy 1 month ago
@swissarmyspoon01
Not quite true. Are you a pianist? I am, and I'm working on this concerto now. A Haydn concerto is a 2 or 3. This isn't Rachmoninoff, but it is not easy. I'd say at least a 6.
This is my favorite concerto in the world! Shostakovich is the best!
geekyviolinist 1 month ago
@geekyviolinist Yeah, I agree with you. Although I find (technically speaking & handling in terms of strength, power and endurance) the Prokofiev Concerto nº3 the hardest. But overall (overall as in, having to connect the whole melody in huge phrases and such), I believe Rachmaninov's 3rd and Brahms 2nd are a bit more difficult than Prokofiev 3rd. That is my opinion of course!
rafaman96 5 days ago
@rafaman96 what about the Prokofiev's 2nd piano concerto? all of this concerto are hard to play but sublime :D
777wallaby777 4 days ago
@777wallaby777 His 2nd concerto is also quite nice, but I still find the 3rd the hardest of them all. The whole thing is just massive...! And the melody and overall composition of his 3rd is just unique, catchy, gorgeous... No words to describe ;)
rafaman96 4 days ago
@rafaman96 2nd concerto is so godamn chromatic it's not even funny
ClarJMoon 19 hours ago
@swissarmyspoon01 That is so true!!!
EdwinNg1994 2 weeks ago
I had never heard this so extremely fast...
Probably I'm used to the Disney version I grew up with, but I prefer it a bit slower..
dhekar 1 month ago
@dhekar Any piece that we hear the first time, we get used to that version automatically :) It's very normal, I'm used to the Disney version as well.
ClarJMoon 4 weeks ago
the one thing really amazing me that is if this the real Shostakovich playing version, but the recording quality is just as new!
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yaa....he play it indeed too fast!!>< listen!! in 5:24 even the orchestra can't stand it try to put him back!
but i guess that's the Russian musican characteristic
but he is truely a great great player!!! hear those beautiful and clear as the pure glass sound!!it is really impressive!!!and the melody and harmony can be describe so perfectly!!
AVCHonline 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
holy shit it's fast....
lkmusicman2 1 month ago
@ahein8989 A lot of times, composers FUCKING SUCK at performing their own music.
But Shostakovich actually was pretty good at doing that.
tjtheplay 1 month ago
Is strange to get goosebumps & for your temperature to rise all at the same time while listening to this...... I didnt think so. This piece is amazing!!!!
navybluebutterfly9 2 months ago
Your video is a favorite on Nay Pyi Taw
guygallagher410 2 months ago
Shostakovich knows how to play himself
20thcomposer 2 months ago
o_____o This encourages me to draw faaaaast.
clottev 2 months ago
His recording with the Moscow Radio Symphony Orchestra under Alexander Gauk in 1959 is even more amazing (and a fair bit faster).
MrRhiannonsdad 2 months ago
Oh god this piece is so frickin fast... :D I like that :D
piano932 2 months ago
@KrispyKreamsMacDonal Your made of balls, yes that includes your balls, hairy ones too. I thought I might just let you know.
TheLolMenPeople 3 months ago 5
Best version :3
WilipichinXP 3 months ago 3
Kurde, muzyka do Reksia!
Nickt01010 5 months ago
All comments are valid! I still listen to baroque music played on modern instuments. Music of this quality and played to this level transcends us all as individuals but brings us all together.
Ceremare 6 months ago
Think Of How Much More Interesting Life Would Be If This Played Everytime You Ate Breakfast.
Jonahman10 6 months ago 50
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marukochan13 3 months ago
hi! the pt. 2 link is wrong, it takes me to the 3º part. thank you for uploading!
JoePerry91 6 months ago
I'm learning this concerto :D
cutiepie84043 6 months ago 3
@cutiepie84043 good luck, is incredibly fun to play.
marvinracer88 5 months ago 2
The beginning s the best beginning in all music the last 200(0) years.
kamvysis 7 months ago 2
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kamvysis 7 months ago
Was Shostakovich a good pianist ???? :P it's curiosities....
MegaTomco 7 months ago
I played this in a drama :3
TripleRhu 7 months ago
Wow, the tempo in this recording is crazy! Maybe just because I'm used to hearing it played so slowly...This is one of my favorite pieces!
Jellostix09 8 months ago
The joyfull beginning always helps if you're in a bad mood :)
danishpride1 8 months ago 2
I believe the spirit of a piece suffers so much from the transference to a page and then to another player. That much is lost in translation, so to speak. Even the best players can not be as fluent in the language of the mind of Shostakovitch as Shostakovitch himself ! Which, it is worth noting, is where this this piece existed first.
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1Thompsonmusic 8 months ago
I love the tempo and the way he plays, it is so crazy and mental, it gives the piece a whole new outlook for me! THIS is the tempo it should have! Love you Shostakovich...all other interpretations seem boring compared to his.
kyleclef 9 months ago
Fantastic piece!
lordcroesus 9 months ago
Precioso, un regalo para el alma.
Chatagador 10 months ago
i recognize this from fantasia! :D
macintosh315 10 months ago
@macintosh315 Which one was this piece?
Ffiti2 8 months ago
@Ffiti2 it was in Fantasia 2000, it was the one where the toy soldier (missing an arm) falls in love with the toy ballerina, who is kidnapped by an evil jack-in-the-box. man, this sounds really messed up out of context xD
macintosh315 8 months ago
@macintosh315 Oh, cool! I thought it might be that one, but I thought the person said it was a Beethoven piece.
Ffiti2 8 months ago
@macintosh315 It was the story of the steadfast Tin Soldier....and it was a leg.
katoppie 4 months ago
hahahha 5:23 the orchestra tries to slow him the f*ck down
WeissmanPiano 11 months ago 23
@WeissmanPiano sounds rather like a cut into a slower take...
arnowaschk 4 months ago
Dmitri uses the same motifs over and over. But that's ok. :)
Glinkaism1 11 months ago
Fantasia 2000.......love this song....
101division44 11 months ago
Love this piece and the tempo. It is more rhythmic than virtuoso. Although it's still very very challenging. Love the slow movement. I would always prefer to have someone else play my work. Takes me back to when I graduated from the Royal Ballet school and danced the lead in Kenneth Macmillan's "Concerto" with Darcey Bussell dancing the other lead part.
I think most composers in the past played their own stuff at a faster tempo and with less indulgence. They let the music speak for it's self.
sergiupobereznic 1 year ago
im playing this piece right now, and i want to say that this piece is MAD HARD
ive been playing it for a week now, and i can barely get through the entire piece at a moderate tempo, even w/ like at least an hr and a half a day
xfa1996 1 year ago
Not every composer is capable of playing his/her own work at all, let alone how they intended it. If I were a composer, even if I could play the work, I'd want a virtuoso to premiere it.
4:17 FTW!!!
cpjackson79 1 year ago
So sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!
Oistrakhfollower 1 year ago
I have to say that, as a composer, I get frustrated that I can't play my own works as well as I'd like. And as long as I can get the performer to understand where I was trying to go with the piece, I'd rather have a competent performer perform. Shostakovich, if he was, as I suspect, something of a perfectionist like me, would have been unhappy with this performance. The errors detract from the complete enjoyment of what is an excellent composition.
mrnnhnz 1 year ago
Bit to fast...
jakubmamc 1 year ago
magnifico
lethavian 1 year ago
i dont understand, at what point was a concerto about how technically virtuosic the music is? Its a concerto - piano solo orchestral accompaniment - group of instruments. Besides, it may not 'sound' virtuosic, but to all the people commenting on this piece negatively, can you play it? i've played this and it requires some strong technique to play well. Anyway, listen to his first piano concerto if you need proof of virtuosic writing. I dont understand why people do this, its a great piece.
TheDecadant 1 year ago 5
@TheDecadant
Concertos were almost always meant to show off the soloist. However, just because there are 32nd notes flying around everywhere, doesn't mean it's not virtuosic. His stuff is pretty rhythmic and if I'm thinking right there are lots of technical piano things in it that take time to work out. AKA left hand octaves. The trick is making is sound easy :)
Go from 2:13 and tell me that doesn't seem difficult.
katoppie 1 year ago
I was lead to believe Dmitir wrote this for his son to play; hence not the "virtuso" concerto some might expect. In any event it's fun and inoffensive. No problem here, I guess if you're a snob it might me different.
sussexpenguin 1 year ago
@sussexpenguin At the time this was written, his son WAS a virtuoso concert pianist.
icenine47 1 year ago
I LOVE IT !
2B2Mgt 1 year ago
favourite piece of classical Music. (I know it's romantic so don't have go... you know what i mean.)
LukasP369 1 year ago
Fantstique!!
Portogallo3008 1 year ago
4:18 is possibly my favorite musical moment ever. I'm really big into chords and progressions, and that was as close to a musical orgasm as you can get.
Andophonic 1 year ago 3
brilliant! <3
he wrote it for his son's birthday
YellowFlower296 1 year ago
@YellowFlower296 thanx dad
meesbroersen 1 year ago
@YellowFlower296
Actually this piece was written as a graduation present when his son Maxim graduated from the Moscow Conservatory.. However, I think the spirit of celebration is present regardless of the reason for composing.
klavierstueck 1 year ago
Wow I'm used to hearing this song from the Fantasia soundtrack and they take it twice as slow... lol its like listening to the song on crack... Haha love it though!
mattbanddork 1 year ago
@mattbanddork
Shostakovich actually liked to play his concerti unbelievably fast, and yes, some people like me, like it a bit slower.
adrenalinerush45 1 year ago
Link in your description refers to part 3, not 2 ;)
But an awesome piece :-) Thank you very much for uploading it...
TheRealZ4ppy 1 year ago
I'm playing this next week with and orchestra I'm so excited
Shostakovich is AWESOME
Choen444 1 year ago 5
@Choen444
good luck :D
inhmn 1 year ago
I can't stop listening the part at 6:10!!! That modulation is just beautiful...! F major to Ab major and then passes to Ebm7 (or Gb major i think) and F major again, I'm going to try that!
cafity 1 year ago
this song is in fantasia 2000 :D
herbabotomusfilms 1 year ago
Played a variation of this in marching band. very nice :)
edwardandbella4evr1 1 year ago
zu schnell
xerxes52 1 year ago 2
@xerxes52 Wie kann es zu schnell sein, wenn es der Komponist spielt?!
helenagothicangel13 1 year ago 4
It's amazing
hellburner1000 1 year ago
does anybody know where i can get piano sheet music for this piece? i love it!!
5utar1a 1 year ago
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This piece is so odd, but it is awesome nonetheless!!! It is genius! o, and very catchy melody!
modelstatue 1 year ago
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This piece is so odd, but it is awesome nonetheless!!! It is genius! o, and very catchy melody!
modelstatue 1 year ago
This piece is so odd, but it is awesome nonetheless!!! It is genius! o, and very catchy melody!
modelstatue 1 year ago
This Piece It's what kept me going on the piano lessons...
xedex90 1 year ago 4
@xedex90 haha!!! that's great!
heilogif 1 year ago
Why are you guys arguing about Japanese music when this is a shostakovich piece?
cnlewis03 1 year ago
i love this concerto. its youthful with a spark of irony. not as light as mozart, but not as ominous as rachmoninov. a good healthy balance of style.
classicalnut1 2 years ago
@classicalnut1
ok... you probably know more than I do, but that is a huge range lol. =]
elpapaya94 1 year ago
Shostakovich was a better pianist than any dolt leaving comments on you-tube; the guy wrote a ridiculous amount of music......he wasn't an asian loser who spent his whole life practicing other people's music.
Neongrapes 2 years ago
@Neongrapes
Was the Asian comment really necessary?
The only reason I suppose that there hasn't been any classical output from the Asians is because until very recently, they have been more or less isolated from the western musical world. Give it about 50 years or so, you'll hear works of genius that doubtless your mind will fail to comprehend.
freshhh1994 1 year ago 3
@freshhh1994 I am a genius
Neongrapes 1 year ago
@Neongrapes
Doubt it.
freshhh1994 1 year ago
u're just another xenophobic idiot :)
that comment about japanese music has nothing to do here.
I just HATE people like u, so, fuck off ;D
maxi36440529 1 year ago
@freshhh1994 of course, i'm sure i won't comprehend these future revolutionary works because all racists have low intelligence quotients. The japanese have their own classical music, in fact it was the first polyphonic music...but they nevertheless flock to western music because it is the most sophisticated the world has ever known. Wow you're really going out on a courageous limb here, attacking me with your wondrously avant-garde, and open-minded PC views.
Neongrapes 1 year ago
are you implying that whites are superior to asians? because i think you are. you have no evidence that whites are superior to asians. the chinese created the novel, gunpowder, and fireworks. don't forget that while the europeans were walllowing in their own filth in for 1000 years (the middle ages) the asians were excelling in every way possible.
preposterous3637 1 year ago
I agree with you completely, and there have already been very popular classical pieces written by "Asian" composers, they just need time for their pieces to be circulated, they need to pass away, and then people will recognise them as masterpieces. Many composers were not recognised until long after their deaths
ciliaspippi 1 year ago
And I suppose you're a prolific and successful composer? Better to practise other pieces of music than be bitter that you never made it because you didn't want to practise other people's music.
ciliaspippi 1 year ago
Is it sure that this had been performed by
D.Shostakovich?
If it is true, this video must be my treasure
despite of bad recording.
2kochanskaya7 2 years ago
I think it's kind of silly to just stick with one interpetation when tons of them could still work, Franz liszt and Anton Rubenstein often played the same pieces very differently in their concerts, and Horowitz often changed his interpetations to, But those guys are heros there are no more heros.
Gargantupimp 2 years ago
who are you guys/girls to comment on Mr. S...please take the stand bring it
salternes 2 years ago
Absolutely lovely concerto :3
CZP87 2 years ago 10
Sostakovich is a great composer
tuncemo 2 years ago 4
I want to play this song for my recital. I just need to find sheet music for it.
EpithicaxXx 2 years ago 2
Le tempo est parfait sauf durant les mesure 19 à 35. On pourrait croire à un glissement sensoriel, mauvais souvenir de Staline ou pire, Hiroshima. La suite est directement là. La concentration, la technique (???), le jeu trop pianistique (sans rubato) respectent le mouvement. Mesures 43-54 léger fléchissement volontaire, direction imprécise.
TheAlonetogether 2 years ago
too fast for allegro
but he's the composer
willpianofreak 2 years ago
Pure Rock!!!!! Love it!!
alexmanzo19 2 years ago
Too fast an uneasy for my taste but what the hell, I'm an idiot :)
entropiakalanen 2 years ago
I've always loved his Symphonies but I forgot how much I loved this concerto
bktrmbone90 2 years ago 2
that made shivers run down my spine.......
DonateBooks2Us 2 years ago 2
A very vibrant colourful and talented composer-wish I could create something as wonderful as this!!!!!!
azzz09zzza 2 years ago 6
so uninformed....
patugi 2 years ago
An genius composer is not an neccessarily a virtuoso instrumentalist.
I am not offering an opinion as to who plays this composition the best, but I think the fact that this is played by the original writer does not necessarily make it the best recording by any stretch.
(personally, this is my favourite recording however)
Muzikman127 2 years ago 52
Agreed.
speedcubingjubjub 2 years ago
@Muzikman127
That's exactly right. I remember hearing this pianist, whose name I don't recall, say something like, "I can play Beethoven's piece better than Beethoven could have. He wrote the piece in a month then forgot about it. I studied the piece my entire life!"
The composer's role is to create the notes. The pianist's job is to create the sounds. So the composer could be, but is not always the best pianist for his own piece.
TrevorKingKwong 1 year ago
how anyone can criticise the performance or tempo of a piece played by its own composer beggars belief. I know there are some snobs and ignorami when it comes to youtube classical works but that takes the biscuit.!!!
sussexpenguin 2 years ago
I wish someone would write me a piano concerto (that I can play) for a birthday! Don't think my own Son would appreciate it,
sussexpenguin 2 years ago 2
This was actually composed for Marco Shostakovich (Dmitri Shostakovich's son) as a 19th birthday present. Guess how Marco spend his birthday? Premiering this fabulous birthday present!
BarbaraPloyer333 2 years ago 5
True except his son was named Maxim Shostakovich
JosephGlaser 2 years ago 6
Oops- thanks for correcting me! It's stuff that I hear on the radio, so I'm bound to make a few mistakes...
BarbaraPloyer333 2 years ago 2
Wow this is really amazing. Thanks for uploading it!
MrJoshuaHaines 2 years ago
now i can see why disney picked this piece for the steadfast tin soldier in fantasia 2000. it matches the piece almost entirely. except for the tempo
trozei123 2 years ago
this is in response to Ben McCormick's response. This piece is very rhythmically driven, it doesn't need that much dynamic contrast to be satiated emotionally. Listen to the rhythmic interplay between the orchestra and the solo. Its tense and intense. The nature of the piece itself could almost be considered machine-like, like a giant colossus. Maybe it is appropriate to play in this situation, "cold", because when somone is cold, obviously they are feeling an emotion toward someone/thing.
KyndalSarah 2 years ago
I don't find this interpretation to be cold at all. It may be fast tempo, but listen to the subtlety and the fire of the rhythmic drive (that you correctly identify). Just like I never find Heifetz to be cold. You are also correct that this is not Tchaikovsky - it is not intended to be a powerhouse over the top emotional romantic work.
jabsomdoc 2 years ago
You missed my point - I know a lot of Shostakovich's pieces are perfect enough as to not really require a huge a mount of contrast to show emotion.
There are, however, parts that are clearly implied as subtly louder or softer. Chiefly, the contrapuntal piano solo near the end is musically too much of a contrast to be played at the same dynamic, in my opinion.
I take issue more with the tempo here, though, as I find it too fast to show the full color of the piece.
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago
if it is the composer playing then surely it is played at hte correct speed?
foxyjohnuk 2 years ago 2
I wasn't necessarily criticizing. But first point is - saying that a composer's tempo is *the* correct speed is perhaps too simplistic.
The way one plays other details of a piece can affect the way the tempo should go. Shostakovich plays it very heavily and very clearly, so his tempo is fitting. Some play with more dynamic contrast. A slower tempo allows for that spectrum to show. An individual musician finds a balance.
No piece is so perfect that it can only be played one "correct" way.
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago
i would still argue that if the composer is playing his own work that he is playing it as he intended!
foxyjohnuk 2 years ago 86
Possibly - though the very intention can change, interestingly - Rachmaninoff made multiple recordings of some of his works, changing the way he played drastically from one recording to the next. I still think that to play a piece with the sole aim of doing exactly what the composer did in his recording is a redundant effort. A composer's recording is always an interesting study, and always changes the way I hear the piece. But other interpretations can still be interesting (and good).
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago 5
I agree. You phrased that really nicely.
TibbsTV 2 years ago
Meanwhile, I've heard a higher-quality version of this recording, and it is good - though Shostakovich himself clearly loses control at the end of the movement, and the rhythm goes way out of sync. Regardless, it is true - his ideas are interesting, but part of the great thing about getting multiple recordings of a piece - I have Hamelin, Bronfman, etc. - is hearing different perspectives, even if one is the composer's.
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago 3
I see what you are saying and i concur, my point was not regarding interpretation, which is something the composer cannot do himself as such, as interpretation is something a performer of the written work must make, as you have said, however regarding the comments of him "playing it too fast" which i don't know whether that was you or not, is what i was referencing. Surely any performance of a piece by the composer should be taken as granted that it's how they intended at any given time for it!
foxyjohnuk 2 years ago
Ah; I see. I generally agree, barring a composer being unable to play the piece, etc.
I didn't like this tempo, but I learned the piece listening to a single recording over and over. After getting used to this speed, I'm fine with it.
The same thing happened when I got to know Rhapsody in Blue, and then I heard another recording and hated it. Then I realized it was a recording made using a piano roll of Gershwin playing the solo...
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago
In my experience, it's often the first recording of a piece that we enjoy the most, and others as different, make us think they are not as good, but alas, i think we have exhausted this conversation! Regards
foxyjohnuk 2 years ago
@foxyjohnuk That's very often not the case. Many composers tend to have a distorted perception about their works - especially with regards to tempo and duration. They rarely are objective about those things, because when you know every note, your sense of anticipation and suspense is very different from that of a listener.
It's the same with texts. Authors are their own worst proofreaders. Try proofreading something you wrote; you will miss many errors that a neutral reader would easily spot.
Timrath 5 months ago 2
@Timrath I would respectfully say that your literature parallel isn't accurate. If we were talking about errors in music, you would have been correct. But we were talking about interpretation. I would rather have the writer recite a portion of his writing than any other person. The author would say it exactly as his mind imagined it while writing, and that is valuable to me. I may not be able to proofread my writing as well as someone else, but I can certainly recite it better.
TheTchaikomaniac 4 months ago
@TheTchaikomaniac Are you talking from experience, or do you merely conclude that from what you imagine about how art works? Because in my experience - both as an observer and as an actual victim of the phenomenon - I can say that this just isn't so.
Composers tend to interpret their works in a way that doesn't serve their intentions. They are hampered by a distorted perception of time, but also sometimes by modesty, sometimes technique (yes, even composers should practice - but most don't).
Timrath 4 months ago
@Timrath Relax. I wasn't arguing your point. I was merely saying that your analogy was flawed. I believe the point is very valid. I compose a little and play violin. I can't play the interpretation that I feel. I know what you're saying and I agree with it. I just think that literature isn't a good parallel to use here. Proofreading a piece of writing is parallel to editing a piece of music, not playing it. A literary recitation would parallel playing music and I think the author does that best.
TheTchaikomaniac 4 months ago
Exactly. I'm not apposed to interoperation, but it really is taboo, in my opinion, to go as far as insulting the composers performance as some people with their comments have done.
Jragir 2 years ago
@foxyjohnuk THANK YOU!!!! totally agree and the same goes to Rachmaninov!
charmeueueur 1 year ago
@foxyjohnuk the point is that when you play a piece, you'r somehow composing it at the same time, cos you need to feel the piece, and to do that you need to "interpret" the piece (that's why in spanish the performer's called "intérprete"), and that involves creation. The author may have his own interpretation, (but he could even have different interprattions in different states of his life, for instance), and that's ceratinly what he intended, but not necessarily the best possible.
salroja 1 year ago
@salroja in this case, however, i fully agree this is one of the best versions I've heard of one of the best pieces on earth
salroja 1 year ago
@salroja a comment which backs up my original and seemingly popular statement haha..... listen to my interpretations if you like of classical on my profile, i'm no pianist of any distinction, however also on my profile you can see several original songs i wrote and perform, and i contend that i perform them just how they should be performed and noone else could sing or play them as correctly as me! :D
foxyjohnuk 1 year ago
@foxyjohnuk Stylistically yes, but if I were to compose a piece, I would never intend for it to be played with even the minor timing issues as in this recording. Not that its a bad recording, but I will say that I've heard better. An awesome piece, however, regardless of the performer(s).
Andophonic 1 year ago
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djambe 1 year ago
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It's not the composer that's playing, it's his grandson...
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djambe 1 year ago
@foxyjohnuk unless he was having an off day, or he can't express himself on his music as well as he can in his head.
mehandas 1 year ago
@mehandas I heard somewhere that he had problems to his hands the day he performed this concerto on the french radio
just3e 1 year ago
@foxyjohnuk
He definitely plays it as he intended to play it - if he can play well and Dmitri could -, but it's true that this is not the only valid interpretation of the piece. :)
BenceHartl 11 months ago
@foxyjohnuk "As he intended," yes, is true; however, I believe that Muzikman127's point is that the way the composer intended is not necessarily the best way.
Ffiti2 8 months ago
@Ffiti2 best? is there a best? come on. there's only what you LIKE best. And of course the way the composer intended it is the best, as he is the composer. (unless someone plays it even more like he wants it)
And if you don't like it, then you obviously don't like the composer that much?
anyways, stop saying things like that. Music is based on subjectivity so you can't state 'facts'.
kleineschutter 8 months ago
@kleineschutter I'm just clarifying Muzikman127's argument. I take no sides...
Ffiti2 7 months ago
Perhaps the audio here is much faster than the original recording?!
It happens...
absurdplanet 2 years ago
Dimitry takes it rather speedily! Although interesting to hear the composer's own interpreation, I do very much prefer the recording I own with Leonard Bernstein as soloist.
thewaybad 2 years ago
Yeah... I'm actually not too thrilled by this version. Very fast, but seems very... two-dimensional.
He was a fabulous composer, but though he plays fast, he doesn't seem to have the best technique. Especially right at the end, it really sounds like he completely loses control.
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago
I can't agree with you. I find this version quite musical. It may be be hard to know what you should be looking for in the music but when you do, you will really appreciate it. In addition, I am sure Shostakovich plays this piece exactly as how he ment it to be. If not, he would re-record the part he did not like.
etellerannet 2 years ago 2
The question of what a composer's recording is worth is an interesting one. Shostakovich was known for his cold playing style, which I can certainly see here - rhythmic rigidity all the way through, and very little dynamic contrast.
When I've performed my own work, I know it can be easy to underthink it, too - to dismiss whatever I write as less than it could be. I'm not saying my work is good; just that I sell it short, regardless.
Personally, I prefer the Yefim Bronfman recording, though.
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago
Yeah! The Yefim Bronfman version is alot better.
The tempo was all over the place in this one. Started off with some interesting staccato though.
FelixSmall 2 years ago
the marked tempo was about 160 bpm... this seems about right. although i liked yefim bronfman's interpretation in fantasia 2000
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