Prop8WTF?: 5 Reasons I'm Optimistic following the Prop 8 Decision

[kenballer00]

Prop 8 did not take away existing fundamental constitution rights. those judges made up those rights out of nothing. the only thing that prop 8 took away were additional marriage rights to marry someone of the same sex and that wasn't even yes on 8's fault.

this is because prop 8 initially was suppose to be another amendment just like any other marriage amendment put on like other states.

[stefanheikel]

The last point is key. With the new federal lawsuit regarding Prop. 8 (which is looking very promising), it will likely result in gay marriage nationwide (maybe not right away, but it will speed it up).

[heathrgld]

@Ivannahumpalo1 The desire for the right to marry is about equality not at all about attacking organized religion. (Some LGBT people are religious too fwiw). Lack of rights that come w marriage make life and family planning hard or impossible.

@caveatemp Equality could be achieved by disconnecting the State from marriage in every State and Federally but this is beyond unlikely as there is no movement to do so. . The only other option that treats citizens equally is to recognize all marriages.

[Ivannahumpalo1]

I've learned a little more about the suabject and see where the problems arise, particularly because of a lack of uniformity state to state, and I am sympathetic. I can also see where organized religion would be concerned also. I suppose that the real issue would be semantics, really. Would organized religion and the LGBT community be satisfied if the term "marriage" weren't used to describe a marriage between a same sex couple? If a civil union could be federally recognized, would that work?

[heathrgld]

I think the key to equality is sameness..so if everyone in the country had civil unions, then it would work , but long run it won't work to call the state civil marriage for same-sex couples one thing, but another for "opposite marriage" as Miss California has, er, christened it.

There's a decent chance the 2010 CA Repeal Prop 8 initiative will include language w specific religious exemption (which is actually redundant legally but helps people feels safer politically when voting).

[Ivannahumpalo1]

Perhaps the long view is the best? It seems to be a matter of getting a foot in the door. If the "civil union" can be won, it lays a reasonable groundwork to use in debate. Perhaps the beast can be slayed with "1000" papercuts? (OR, if you aren't a fan of Mao, perhaps we should eat this elephant one bite at a time? LOL...) I just think that this is winnable, if it's approached well and everyone is given the chance to get comfortable with one another...

[kenballer00]

prop 8 was approved before the supreme court decision and the judges were asked to delay their decision till after the election. this is why the text "eliminating rights" was eventually added in there. Eleven attorney generals from eleven different states along with yes on 8 begged and pleaded the court to wait after the election before they made there decision, but they arrogantly refused to do that even though they new all along it was going to be on the ballot

[Ivannahumpalo1]

I've heard tell that domestic partnership laws protect gay couples and that the gay marriage movement is really just an avenue to attack organized religion in the United States... is this the case?

[caveatemp]

Why not get the State out of the marriage bed altogether? Why do we need licenses for something that is not illegal?

Licensing of marriage exists for the State to have more control and more money of the people.

[Exsecrabilis]

Heathrgld:

"Self-Claim christians" will come up with anything to have it their capricous ways. And in my humble opinion, there is a chance that the votes were tampered in some way.

P.S Greetings and salutaions.

[booley]

Lets hope Californians get more energized then we ddi in Missouri.

Bigots changed our constitution and the bigots are still in control.

[chaibala]

I was caught off guard with Prop 8, I thought California was much to progressive and open to let anything like that pass. I was wrong, I got complacent, even though I voted against it, I now know it wasn't enough. I won't let it happen again.

I also appreciate some of these negative comments, thank you for again reminding me that there is a lot of hatred and ignorance in this world, and that we always need to speak out against it and NOT take our freedoms for granted.

[Exsecrabilis]

chaibala:

I wonder if the votes were tampered. 6:1, sounds fishy somehow if you get my drift.

P.S. Greetings and Salutations.

[pechanga19532]

BITCH U UGLY no wonder u a DYKE

[tranxendentalist]

we'll beat those prop 8 bitches! i'm optimistic now. thank you!

[pechanga19532]

haha u lost fag

[neenerpuss]

Very well said.

MARRIAGE EQUALITY FOR ALL!

[zenobia411]

(cont'd)

Ask them "What are you doing to end DADT and DOMA?"

Keep asking and don't tolerate the runaround.

We will win if we stand up and shout.

[zenobia411]

Well said.

We have to do this from the bottom up, and we have to pressure the "leaders." They won't lift a finger until we make them uncomfortable.

Everyone who cares about equality has to attend public functions where our leaders speak to the press and we have to ask them "