Why the Bachelors Degree Still Rules But Shouldn't

[TaviYamato]

look at EUROPE here we study 3 years for a license or bachelors and another 2 FOOOking years for a masters that is 5 fucking years

[centurion180ad]

I wasn't bourn a fool, and I've read The Bell Curve.

Corporation hiring is controlled by Law Society act, statute & code, and the PRIMARY concern there is the gene & chromosome content of human flesh, not on the content of education, or of experience, or of character.

[Popsfresh]

Intellect, motivation, imagination, insight, peace and quiet to read, things that help you understand the world better is what a University environment fosters, not to mention being amongst like minded individuals who can carry a basic conversation about sciences or arts. On the job training can be acquired via apprenticeships, technical colleges, internships, vocational schools, which are plentiful. Whatever decision one chooses to make, the role of government is that of an enabler.

[benjamindees]

@Popsfresh The role of government is not that of enabler, but of limiter. That's what the word literally means.

Personally I find lots of intellect, motivation, imagination, insight, peace, quiet, things that help me understand the world better, and many like-minded individuals with whom to converse, here online. The notion of the four-year university as the sole, or even best, progenitor of scholarship has become a destructive anachronism.

[Popsfresh]

@benjamindees Well here in Ontario the government is responsible for universities and colleges - that is why I call them an enabler. They put all these things in place to allow you, if you choose, to continue education after grade 12. It may be different where you are with the private universities. I say university is a good place as the space that it provides - the physical layout of a university, grounds and labs and such.

[Popsfresh]

Charles Murray: BA in History from Harvard and a PhD in Political Science from MIT - as "liberal" as "liberal arts" gets. He has made a comfortable living off of his laurels, benefiting intellectually and commercially from the exposure he was afforded at those schools. The literature, the lectures, the discussions with peers, realizations here and there over the years in the libraries and lecture halls and walking the campus grounds. Now in retrospect he says it wasn't of any use - I disagree.

[Shrunkenhead61]

@Popsfresh I think he addresses this in the video. "In principle". You would be an idiot to say that a BA doesn't open doors. Employers use it as a filter. All he is saying is why? If you can learn the materials with other means and in a shorter span with competency, why 4-years at a "name brand school"? Also, I don't think the ones he is addressing in this conference would respect him if it hadn't been for his laurels. A homeless guy saying the BA system is whack? Who would listen?

[Popsfresh]

@Shrunkenhead61 Exactly. That is the point. Its credentialism. The BA is not so much about educational quality or job performance, its about the credential, and the socioeconomic / sentimental value of being a university graduate as opposed to a presumed lazy shop kid who smoked weed during lunch who just has a GED. You don't need your BA to do your job, however it speaks to your maturity and discipline and presentation.

[Shrunkenhead61]

@Popsfresh This is sort of off-topic. Of course you know of Charles Murray. Have you heard of John Taylor Gatto? He has some valid points to why it is the way it is. It's interesting. Some of it can be called conspiracy (whatever). Alfie Kohn is a little radical but has some creative way to approach learning. His economical and political approach I don't care for. He wants more government schooling. He wants libertarians and I forgot what he is to come to an understanding. Gatto vs Kohn lol.

[DrBakshandeh]

Lets have an open forum on my channel.

[muskndusk]

I have a number of friends of various ages who have read, or are reading for M.A's. This is a degree aimed purely at the academic, and is only useful for teaching in further/higher education. It seems to have become the new B.A now that the BA has lost its value. The new status symbol is having a Masters!

[saintgauden]

@muskndusk When I was a Freshman in High School..way back in 1991...the teachers were all telling the students that they couldn't do anything without a MA. Now, I have two of them...the PhDs are all the rage these days. However, these take up a substantial portion of your life (5-8 years depending on the program).

[assWompingMadNess]

"that's the way the system is..."

this guys right in what he says....you can take courses and finish in 1 and 2 years...but getting the bachelor's will open much more doors and salary......thats just the way it is

[assWompingMadNess]

to be honest thats the way it should be...but this fucked up and unfair society differs

[LeftLiberalSoCal]

Your innate mental ability DOES matter more than college. College teaches you to be employees. You kiss the professors ass the same way you kiss your future bosses ass when you want a raise. Those who can do. Those who can't teach. MOST of the rich people I've know NEVER WENT TO COLLEGE. They started a business. First they learned the trade working for someone else - then they make the leap. College professors would pee in thier Armani slacks at the thought being a real world.entrepreneur.

[assWompingMadNess]

its all about opinion...you can believe whatever the fuck you want to believe...you believe the BA is useless?? fine..keep believeing that..i completely disagree..but as far as the kissing ass part..im sure you got ahead in life by kissing ass...brown nosing is for the week idiots who think you need to kiss ass in order to succeed..you might as well flush your self respect down the fucking toilet...i saw brown nosers everyday at work and they are just fucking sad...i honestly hope u dont do that

[LeftLiberalSoCal]

There is no reason to curse at me or ASSume things that are not true. And it's not ONLY about opinion - it's about facts and numbers, statistics, and a cost benefit analysis. College has become prohibitively expensive. There are only a few select majors where it is "paying off" in the long term such as engineering, medicine, and law. Furthermore, special banking interests wrote the laws for student loans. Debt slavery. People have got to get real and stop drinking the college Kool-Aid.

[assWompingMadNess]

you know what I re-read your comment and my mistake. I thought you said you recommend kissing ass. I must have read it wrong so my fault on that. I just CANT STAND brown nosers. Anyway i do see your point on the stats, but also think about those idiots that take out loans like crazy and instead of still living at home, unnecessarily find the need to rent expensive apartments and max out their credit cards like irresponsible idiots. THEY ARE those statisitcs. Financial aid paid for all my college

[Shrunkenhead61]

@assWompingMadNess Sure, opinions. You can believe anything but if your belief doesn't hold weight you begin to doubt. BA's are useless in some contexts as some contexts it isn't. Learning a subject is good (though BA's doesn't show that). Using it to leverage a resume is brown nosing. Authority tells you to poop in your hand, you show them it. If you were to remove the BA's power, in terms of job prospects, how many people would not go to college? If engineers didn't need college would they go?