Nice Video by the way. I understand why you may have chosed these pairings. I always did get the hint that Rise was SOMEWHAT flirting with Kanji throughout the game.
naah..Rise is somewhat flirting if u say that way.. that's because she is Rise. besides, she knew that actually Kanji likes Naoto even after he knew that Naoto is a girl. if u play again n hear the drama cd, u will realize that the pairing goes to this : MC-Yukiko as a couple, at least people hoping that way. though they looks like ended as friend due to the circumtances. Yosuke-Chie since both of them always have a quarrel. MC-Rise though it is one sided.and Kanji-Naoto
@Overture92 I got cha. It just that scenes like the club when she calls on Kanji when she could have called on anybody else. The study group when she asked for his animal crackers. And an off-scence when she goes to the texile shop and sees his toys. I also tend to see a bit of Kanji X Yukiko, though it may be a Brother X Sister kind of relationship.
@Japanime20 yep, also i believed that i heard in the game that Yukiko used to be known kanji for a long times since her Inn and The textile shop is connected each other but they never talked again until Kanji is being thrown into the TV.
Why is everyone arguing about pairings and Kanji's sexuality? Should it even matter? Besides IN MY OPINION I don't think that Kanji is gay. He was just sexually confused because in the past girls rejected him for liking to sew instead of being what they claimed to be a real man and guys did not think much of it but, he did not have many male friends either. And Naoto only added to that confusion because she looked and acted like boy,(although at 1st she was called FEMININE-looking boy).
Sucks to be Yosuke. I hope they make a FES or Portable version of Persona 4 that gives out the option of a female protagonist, so at least he will have some comfort. That's it, until the female protagonist proves to be a pimp. xD
That, and losing to Yukiko shows how much of bad luck he has.
@FethShup Similarly, Souji/Naoto IS more canon because it CAN actually happen, whereas Kanji loses interest after he finds out she's a girl AND it nevers happens AND it has terrible chemistry.
@SeiryuSuboshisan@SeiryuSuboshisan And yet you continue to ignore the fact that the drama CDs hint the canon pairing are Souji/Yukiko and Kanji/Naoto... astonishing.
Please, read what I put before you stick your foot in your mouth.
I might agree with you that Kanji/Naoto has terrible chemistry, but for other reasons, mainly coming from Naoto. Just as Souji/Naoto or Naoto/Hanako are. Really, any pairing with Naoto is bound to have poor chemistry due to the character's poor development.
@SeiryuSuboshisan Then yours is a big case of hypocresy. How do Naoto and Rise have any chemistry, in comparison to Kanji and Naoto? At least Kanji and Naoto seem to be Atlus' official couple.
As for your hints=/=facts argument: sad news. Back then in Persona 2 Innocent Sin, they had given hints on Jun being Tatsuya's official couple. Guess what they did? Left hints at a Drama CD.
@FethShup I never said that Naoto/Rise was canon OR that it had any chemistry. I ship it because it looks cute aesthetically, and their personalities kind of fit in the way of a SRS BZNS with FLIRTY TYPE.
I could just as easily say that there were hints dropped in the entire manga of Ichigo 100% that Aya and Junpei were going to get together. In the end, he got with Tsukasa.
That, and you keep whining about Kanji/Naoto's lack of chemistry, yet you ship somethihng that has little to no basis (Rise, a lesbian? Even Kanji/Naoto makes more sense)
As for whatever manga you're talking about, I've no idea.
Kanji/Naoto is a stupid pairing with no chemistry or positive attributes to it at all, while Naoto/Rise just isn't canon but has good chemistry and a lot of positive attributes.
There is a difference between shipping a pairing with bad chemistry and shipping a pairing that isn't canon.
@SeiryuSuboshisan But it's made by the same entity (Atlus) and it's part of the series. They might have some differences, but they're part of a whole, and follow many trends within them.
Kanji/Naoto is just as good (or slightly better) than Naoto/Rise, which is worse due to not sticking to neither character (Rise's most certainly not a lesbian, which is evidenced by her crush on Souji, and Naoto hates her own gender, being a sexist bitch). And you now complain of the chemestry, see? :)
@FethShup I've been told the games changed completely by Persona 3, so no, it really doesn't count. You can't say that all the manga or books or anime or cartoons follow the exact same trends just because it's the same COMPANY who makes them.
There is a difference between CANON and NO CHEMISTRY. Just because the characters aren't canonly inclined towards that gender doesn't mean they would make a horrible pairing.
Naoto doesn't hate GIRLS, Naoto hates BEING a girl. There's a difference.
@SeiryuSuboshisan You've been told. Good. Yes, there was no social link system. And yes, there was no "shooting yourself in the head" (there isn't either in P4), there was no all out attack. That didn't stop them from using similar characterization. They didn't change completely. And they do follow similar trends, albeit focusing in P3 because it sold more in Japan.
And what do you mean by chemistry, then? Making characters act OOC already makes them a horrible pairing.
@SeiryuSuboshisan I said that Rise/Naoto is OOC meaning it IS Out of Character. I'm perfectly aware what it means. I even gave my arguments for it being out of character, which it clearly is.
@SeiryuSuboshisan If Naoto had troubles with her feeling trapped in a woman's body because she is lacking of sexual identity, it would count as trangenderism. But the reasons behind it ("it's not my ideal image of a detective, BAWWWWWL) ARE sexist. They're not the same issues Kanji has.
Sexuality, like you point out in Kanji's case, is a BIG part of characters. Naoto and Rise would be out of character if they suddenly liked girls, especially two characters who had little to no interaction.
@FethShup They're not sexist, they are PERSONAL views. She never says that women CAN'T do this, she says that SHE FEELS SHE CANNOT DO IT AS A WOMAN. This means she feels inadequate as a woman and would prefer to be a man.
No, it's not. Sexuality is KANJI'S PROBLEM. Exposure is Rise's, possessiveness is Chie's, dependancy is Yukiko's, lack of identity is Teddie's, emptiness is Mitsuo's, jealousy is Miyumi's, self-martyrism is Nametame's, boredom is Yosuke's and Naoto's gender is hers.
@SeiryuSuboshisan Naoto doesn't like spending time with other girls, even Chie, who's not particulary girly (it's either that, or she's a social reject, which seems fitting). She dislikes receiving female attention whether affectuous or friendly (thus, showing her dislike towards her gender in general), and doesn't have a particular interest in Rise The only actual interest Rise has in Naoto is (ZOMFG!!1!) to ship her with Kanji.
@FethShup She's a complete friendless loser, not a woman-hating Nazi.
She has absolutely no social skills whatsoever, and she shows no interest in making friends and her initial interests, if that, in any people at all is just to solve her cases.
She's not exactly making herself open to friendliness in her stupid verbosity and overcomplicated seriousness.
@SeiryuSuboshisan The characteristics you mentioned about Naoto don't cancel what I mentioned. She even mentions in her social link that she didn't like spending time with other girls, playing "boyish" things. Her whole speech of "Womans cannot be good detectives" IS a machist thing to say, whether you like it or not.
And when she enters the Investigation team, she could try to spend time with the other girls, amongst them another tomboy. She doesn't. She clearly dislikes her gender.
For fucks sake, she is a girl who has always had BOYISH HABITS and therefore was rejected by her peers, which has led her to believe that SHE CANNOT ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING AS A GIRL.
This is not called fucking sexist speech, this is called TRANSGENDERISM.
@SeiryuSuboshisan Her peers didn't lead her to believe she was inferior as a woman. SHE dit it herself:
"My sex doesn't fit my ideal image of a detective..."
THEN, she mentions that the police is male-oriented.
When she was at the investigation team, she did what she could to isolate herself from other girls. Even Chie, who is everything but a femenine flower.
And how liking detective stories is a boyish hobbie is rather... shall I say... dumb?
@FethShup No, she said during her social link that she felt out-casted as nobody would take her hobbies seriously. Knowing how children are, the boys wouldn't have played with her because she was a girl and the girls wouldn't have played with her because she liked what boys liked.
And male detectives ARE more awesome than females ones. Humphrey Bogart played much better charismatic characters than Nancy Drew ever was. Some of the best detective films were made when sexism was rife in society.
@SeiryuSuboshisan As I said, playing the detective is hardly a boyish hobbie. At best, it is eccentric. And it's not as if there never has been a tomboy other than Naoto.
The perspective of male detectives being better than female ones is extremely subjective. I personally love Olivia Benson, not just because of the detective aspect but because of the different faces she has. And you just accepted that Naoto's reasons ARE sexist.
"My gender does not fit with the ideal image of a detective."
That's not a "I'm a woman, so I can't do this." That's "Woman are not fit for being detectives."
And if Kanji's issue is sexuality, then it is an issue that isn't resolved at all. Atlus itself said that Kanji's sexuality remains ambiguous for the rest of the game in order to fit whenever it is funnier. Yosuke's issue in his social link isn't exactly boredom, but getting over Saki.
@FethShup Yosuke's shadow CLEARLY SAYS that he's sick of the boring hick town. Jesus balls, man, I'm kinda losing patience, haha.
The thing with that is the translation. Japanese is a VERY ambiguous language, so while you may interpret it completely wrongly in order to fit your argument, the fact is she's stating what HER opinions are throughout the entire rant and her shadow is belittling HER and not WOMEN, this probably means it should be interpreted as hating HER instead of WOMEN.
@SeiryuSuboshisan Yet the problem of his social link is clearly getting over Saki. That's what eats him the most, not boredom. During his social link, most/all of his issues are directed to Saki's death, mentioning boredom ONCE.
If you use japanese as an excuse just for being an ambiguous language, then I can use that as an excuse to well... nearly everything. I don't interpret it wrongly. Saying that a woman is not a good detective IS sexist, in whatever context.
@FethShup The problem of his SOCIAL LINK, not his SHADOW. If we're talking about social links, then Naoto's problem is not sexism, it's feeling inadequate as a woman, which, oops, is exactly what I've been talking about.
Yes, you do. Her shadow is mocking NAOTO, not WOMEN. Her shadow is saying NAOTO can't do anything, not WOMEN. Her shadow is saying NAOTO can't be anything good because she's a WOMAN, not WOMEN can't do anything good because they're WOMEN.
@SeiryuSuboshisan The phrase I've just mentioned is taken from a confrontation AFTER her shadow. It's a sexist phrase. You can say "But most detectives are male" all you want. It's still sexist.
Her shadow actually whines a lot more about not being able to do anything well as a KID. The female part is either badly written or a secondary issue.
@FethShup Since when were transvestites all sexist? All right, think of a cliche detective, right now. Chances are either Humphrey Bogart or Sherlock Holmes came to your mind. What gender are they?
As you state yourself, Kanji's sexuality is ambiguous. Since they didn't even confirm that, why would they confirm him in an actual relationship? Contradictions galore. All you're doing is making up and looking way too far into things in a desperate attempt to have Kanji/Naoto canon, when it is not.
@Pyrekins When I speak of Naoto being a sexist, I use a particular phrase: "My gender doesn't fit with my ideal image of a detective".
According to many, Naoto's an exception to Kanji. And it isn't uncommon that, when fans reclaim something, the company gives it to them. Kanji/Naoto, alongiside with Canon!Sue herself, are popular enough. Then comes the Drama CD...
And personally, I don't care about Kanji/Naoto. What I despise is people saying that Souji/Naoto is canon (besides Naoto herself).
@FethShup Yes, but as I said earlier, most people's detective image are the classics from either the 40s or much earlier, when women were seen as weak. Naoto is very obviously socially stunted, so I can see her image stemming solely from the old detective books/movies. And really, I can't blame her. The Maltese Falcon made me want to be a male detective back then. ):
You forget that Souji/Naoto is an option in the game, making it just as canon as Souji/Rise or whatever else.
@Pyrekins But Naoto's excuse is that she wanted to be a detective to go on with her parent's legacy. Her parent's. One of them was, logically, a woman. Yet she still says that her ideal image is that of a man.
Souji/Naoto might be an option, just like Mitsuru, Fuuka, Chihiro, Yuko, were in P3, alongside with Yukari and Aigis. Yet the canon pairings are with Yukari and Aigis. Maya and Lisa were also options alongside Jun, yet the canon pairing was Jun. It is possible, not canon.
@FethShup She's not just female, she's young. I think she's desperate to make herself as universally appealing as she can in order to become the best detective she can be. The majority of cops are statistically male, so if she puts herself in that majority, it helps her career. Like I said before, she's emotionally/socially stunted. She doesn't GET it, I don't think.
You can still choose it as an option, and that's the point. Souji doesn't HAVE any scenes that force him to go a certain way.
@FethShup This would naturally effect her view of detectives, AND of how she is not suited to be a woman, not to mention she greatly admires her grandfather as a detective, and HE is a man. This would all make her think more of men and less of women.
No, she didn't. She gets along with the girls just fine, and I have never seen an instance where she attempts to avoid friends she has been seeking all her life.
@SeiryuSuboshisan If you take care of watching how she got along with the team, the only girl she might have been around is Rise, and most of the time, she's next to Kanji. She didn't have much interaction with Yukiko or Chie. And as I said, Chie's not a femenine woman.
And she mentioned both her parents were detectives and that she inicially wanted to embrace their legacy. Why would she consider women inferior as detectives if her mother was one and she wanted to live up to her expectations?
@FethShup There is a simple reason for this: Rise and Naoto are in the same class, and has no close friends. Yukiko and Chie are best friends, so Naoto would feel like she's intruding, and they're in a completely different YEAR to Naoto.
Because Naoto FEELS INFERIOR AS A WOMAN, because of ALL THE REASONS I HAVE SAID. Her Shadow is mocking her FOR this belief, saying that Naoto feels like she can't be a detective as a woman, not that women can't be detectives.
@SeiryuSuboshisan Yet Yukiko and Chie don't have any problem with hanging out with Yosuke, Souji, Kanji and Rise, and Naoto has no problem with hanging out with Souji either. Naoto tends to be placed far from the girls, too.
You can say whatever you want, but saying that good detectives are male IS a sexist thing, whether you like it or not. It's what Naoto herself said and I quoted it to boredom, yet you seem not to understand or accept that fact.
@FethShup Wow, you're the one telling me to accept facts when you're using a completely different game to justify a pairing that doesn't and will never happen.
Yukiko and Chie have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROBLEMS to Naoto. Just because Souji has a tongue as silver as his hair and can convince anyone to trust him and do what he says doesn't mean Naoto hanging out with him means she loves all males. She's just being the socially fucked guillible loser she is.
@SeiryuSuboshisan Actually, they're not that different. Yukiko's issues are about following a tradition unwillingly, while Chie is jealous at Yukiko's femenine qualities. Naoto could just get along with them, yet most of the time she is seen with other males. And I'm not justifying Kanji/Naoto. And simply pointing out Atlus likes to give out hints about them.
And Souji has the personality you wish him to have. He's not necessarily silver-tongued.
@FethShup Even if that was right, which it's not, Naoto is not following a tradition UNWILLINGLY and Naoto does not WANT to have any feminine qualities.
Chie is obsessing over how Yukiko is hers and she loves having Yukiko wrapped around her little finger and how Chie loves being in control of Yukiko, and Yukiko's is her wanting Chie to take her away and wanting Chie to be a strong prince for her and about how she always looks up to Chie.
@SeiryuSuboshisan Naoto said that she originally wanted to follow her parent's legacy. Not her father's. Her parents.
If you wrap up Chie's problem as possesiveness, you're ignoring the other part of the issue. Why is she possesive? She's jealous of Yukiko. Jealous of her being femenine while she's an unpopular tomboy. There are similarities, and they even want at the end the same thing: being a cop.
@FethShup Hi. Since when does a Drama CD have more merit than the actual game?
Who cares what Persona 2 does? That is a totally different game than both P3 and P4, in both plot and dynamics. What your saying has the exact same amount of logic as, "well the original english version of P1 changed some guy's race to black, so obviously Chie/Adachi is canon in P4". Either you're saying Atlus is horribly unoriginal and makes the same game over and over again, or you're full of bullshit. Sorry.
@Pyrekins Ask Atlus. They confirmed first through some interviews and then through the Drama CD Tatsuta/Jun.
As for Atlus being horribly unoriginal: partially. I am slightly annoyed at the constant Dating Sim mechanic (not as much as others, though). And it's not bad to use similar tools to create characters. Rise and Lisa are the most obvious, with the foil mechanic with Eikichi, Junpei and Yosuke. Naoto's an oddity, with her canon-sueness.
@FethShup I love the Social Link thing. I'm not into just fighting 100% of the time, so I find it a really nice break. If anything, Naoto is a lot like Raidou from Devil Summoner. Or even Mitsuru, since they're both so serious. But really, you're just relating various character traits, which isn't the same thing as regenerating the characters themselves.
From what I've read of the plot, P2 is nothing like P4. Unless something like this happens in every single Atlus game made, it holds no merit.
@Pyrekins I liked it a bit more in P4, if anything due to the character development present in it. But still, Dating Sims are rather annoying after a while.
And while they don't regenerate the characters, they use the same formulae. Naoto differs from Mitsuru in that she's a canon Sue.
As someone who began playing Persona 2, I can safely say that neither Persona 2 is similar to P3 or P4 in plot, but neither is P3 similar at all in regards to Persona 4. Thus, it holds merit.
@FethShup I don't think so. I like the insight I get on the characters. Like in P3P, it's actually making me like Junpei (and Yukari, but that's only because she's not desperate to get in FeMC's pants).
Exactly. Since they are so different, you can't take a situation from one game and say that it's canon because of events in a completely different one. It's like saying FF13 has Lightning/Hope as a canon pairing just because in P3P you can date Ken.
@Pyrekins Final Fantasy (assuming it's Final Fantasy, since I have no idea what FF13 is otherwise) doesn't belong to the Persona series, or Atlus. They always use a similar formulae for characters and often confirm things through Drama CDs (Aigis having given form to Metis by giving her the appearance of a hospital patient, the Tatsuya/Jun pairing, etc).
@FethShup It's generally the exact same reasoning. P2 is nothing like P4. Final Fantasy is nothing like P3. "If Japan likes to pedo for this game, I'm sure Japan doesn't mind pedo in this game, too!"
The Drama CDs are not canon. It's like saying filler in an anime is more canon than the manga, which would be a lie. What happens in the actual game always comes first, because the people who organize the CDs will not be the exact same people organizing the game.
@FethShup The fact that you have not quoted one line from the Drama CD really proves that it's almost positively not valid proof. You seem to try very hard to be as general as possible.
Rise: Of course, you have to sew one for Naoto-kun, too! You have to make it SUPER cute!
Kanji: *gnk*
Naoto: Me? I don't need one. Unlike Kujikawa-san, I haven't exactly done anything.
Rise: He said he'll sew you one, so it's okay!
Kanji: I didn't say that.
Rise: Anyway, you're a girl Naoto-kun, so you shouldn't wear those stiff clothes all the time! It's a real waste! Like the skirt today, for example, it looks great on you. Right, Kanji?
@FethShup That just seems like classic Japanese humour. Pair awkward!guy with teasing!girl and hilarity ensues, that kind of thing. Drama CDs have to have extreme reactions because there's only audio, in any case.
@Pyrekins It does prove that Kanji is attracted to Naoto, though. That, plus the Souji/Yukiko lines and Naoto seemingly blushing in a dialogue with Kanji, and the already mentioned Atlus-Persona trend...
@FethShup How? It's just Rise asking Kanji to make shit for Naoto. You could use the exact same quote if you wanted proof for Kanji/Rise. He's acting awkward like always.
Naoto has absolutely no reason to like Kanji. They don't work together at all, and even if she did, the relationship would end in 5 minutes. I've never seen her blush in any scenes except those with Souji.
What Souji/Yukiko lines? I remember Yukiko trying to force herself on Souji a few times, but. Rise/Souji was stressed.
@Pyrekins Except that he doesn't act awkward towards Rise, just annoyed. He acts awkward towards Naoto, wearing a skirt. He never acts awkward towards Rise, too.
As I said, Naoto blushes on the Drama CD. Though, if you go through the second studying group route, you can get a chance to ship them together, to which Naoto blushes. I agree that the pairing has no chemistry at all, just like many other crazy pairings. But probably, for different reasons than others.
@FethShup Really? Tons of scenes come to mind where he acts awkward over the things Rise says/does. It's not so much ANGRY as it is an angry-awkward sort of thing. Kanji's an easy guy to get riled, in case it wasn't obvious.
Of course Naoto would blush, she's socially retarded. Thinking of such close relations with anyone would make someone like her embarrassed, easily. I'm sure she'd blush just the same if someone said something about Yosuke/Naoto, too.
@Pyrekins Rise's FANGIRLING is stressed. Yukiko, on the other hand, expresses her affection for the main character far earlier than other girls, is often next to the main character, etc.
@FethShup I don't think so, with all that clinging. Rise genuinely loves him, I'd say, in unchangable canon scenes. With Yukiko, you can ignore/dismiss anything she does. Which I very easily did through the course of the game. What does standing have to do with it?
Souji doesn't have a stressed pairing, unlike Minato.
@Pyrekins Rise's a clingy teen. That doesn't count as love. If it did, then Asuka from Evangelion is truly in love with Ryoji Kaji.
Yukiko is often prodded in Souji's way, even more than Rise, who actually has to do it herself. Chie, on the other hand, must be done all the courting, unlike Yukiko, Rise, or even Naoto (who jokes blushingly that she would like to go with Souji to the city).
@FethShup If you can't tell how big a crush Rise's got on Souji, I'd have to dub you as totally biased. I can only remember one scene in particular when they make you stick with Yukiko instead of Yosuke & Chie (while they're out patrollin' and trying catch kidnappers ridin' dirtay) in order to get her social link. That's it. Chie's more of a bff type character, so I never really considered her an option.
@Pyrekins A crush doesn't equal love. Rise's clinging on the character is just that: clinging. As I said, Asuka doesn't love Kaji in Evangelion. And there's more than that: when Yosuke and Chie start arguing, Souji goes off with Yukiko. On the Group Date Café, Souji works alongside Yukiko. The only one who Souji hugs without an option to do so is, IIRC correctly, Yukiko.
Chie's the only character I usually make Souji date, if only because she's the closest to next-door girl.
@FethShup From what I know, Asuka's a bitchy tsundere. Rise isn't. There's the difference.
You forget that those were the only characters back then. They wouldn't make the main character walk off alone, because that's douchey. No hints at all.
The Group Date thing wasn't about Yukiko at all, though. In my experience, I just took it as a chance to make as many gay comments as I could, because I'm like that. Dude, I took every opportunity to be a total asshole to her, haha. Where do you hug her?
@Pyrekins Asuka is a "bitchy" tsundere towards Shinji, and a clingy girl towards Kaji, much like Rise. She isn't Tsundere towards Kaji at all.
The games loves to prodd her on your way. Whether it is to begin the Social link or put her next to you. The fact that she's the only girl Souji hugs in her Social Link and (LOL) the Drama CD dialogues, in which Souji shows attraction only towards her reinforce the statement.
@FethShup So you think Yosuke/Souji is more canon than the rest of the pairings, just because of that option? Adding to the "partner" and "great with his hands" parts too, of course.
@Pyrekins "No, that'd just piss people like you off."
Except that I'm pretty much in the minority. Naoto is loved by fans for reasons I prefer not to comprehend, and Souji/Naoto is extremely popular in Japan, the most popular couple IIRC, and P4 didn't have as much success there as P3. It would be better for them to hint Souji/Naoto, instead of Souji/Yukiko. Yet they prefer to hint Souji/Yukiko all the same!
@FethShup What I meant with that was "people who look too far into things and try to make canon out of minor instances". I hate Naoto too, more than any other character.
I'm pretty sure that P4 was more positively regarded than P3, which is probably only so popular because they keep remaking it. Problem: They don't hint Souji/Yukiko. If I had the time, I'd pick at sentences to find "hidden pairings", too, sure, but you have to understand that these "hints" don't mean a thing.
@FethShup Dude, I really don't care about some show that was made like 30 years ago. At least use current references if you're going to compare someone to a shitty cliche. "RISE IS LIKE SAKURA SHE DOESN'T REALLY LOVE SASUKE LOL"
Right, because standing beside someone = love. Seriously, stop reaching. This is getting pathetic. The game doesn't prod anything. I'll admit that P3 tries to push Yukari on you (though you can easily dismiss her, thus not making it canon at all), but not in P4.
@FethShup Please look up "sarcasm" in the nearest dictionary. If you can't tell when someone's parodying the ridiculousness of what you've said, you should also look up "ignorant". No offense.
The option that you can ignore everything Yukiko does makes it just as canon as Souji/Naoto, if not a little less (since Naoto's a more popular character).
@Pyrekins C'mon! Don't get angry! Getting bitter over the internet is rather useless, really.
So Naoto being more popular makes her more canon. I would agree with you, had Atlus done so too. It's Yukiko the one who Atlus put Souji with. :D If Naoto was the official couple, don't you think they would hint her being with the protagonist in order to please the fans (Naoto/Souji is the most popular in Japan), instead of hinting Souji/Yukiko?
@FethShup Unfortunately, I'm not angry at all. It just seems that sometimes one has to be a little more forceful in their statements in order for words to get through to some.
Just as I would agree to Yukiko/Souji ... if Persona 4 wasn't actually a dating sim and there were some actual /real/ hints in place.
No, that'd just piss people like you off. And still, there is no Yukiko/Souji proof. If I dated every person I stood beside, I'd probably have quite a lot of STDs from those subway trips.
@Pyrekins Persona had Maki/Naoya as an official couple. Tastuya/Jun were also official in Innocent Sin and had a Drama CD to back it up. Minato seems to have as official couples Yukari (who at least is in love with him) Aigis and perhaps Chihiro. The last one fits the Dating Sim and it still has official couples, making Mitsuru/Minato, Fuuka/Minato and Yuko/Minato non-canon. Majority... rules?
@FethShup Yes, and neither Persona 1 or 2 had social links, which is the huge difference. They are not the same at all.
Chihiro? Where are you getting that from? The only scene with Minato that you cannot change is the last one with Aigis. Then again, she's a robot. Yukari/Minato is canon in the P3 manga, which is gross, but whatever.
Those pairings are canon if you choose them in-game. You don't see people trying to pretend some pairings are canon over the other in any other dating sims.
@Pyrekins IIRC correctly, Chihiro said something of "Someone helping her abandon her phobia over men." And due to Aigis' popularity, FES allowed the player to date her, and in the Answer, she speaks often of her love for him. Minato/Yukari was prodded in the way and also proven canon in the Answer. Mitsuru and Fuuka do not do such thing, much less affected by Minato's departure.
@FethShup Aigis was the only girl I ended up maxing, and she's the only one you don't sleep with, haha. (P-Probably because she has no-- I'll shut up.) See, the thing is, Aigis isn't human. I love her, and I ship the pairing, but it explained in-canon that the only reason she was saying those things is beause of "the events ten years ago", and Nyx inside him. The Answer was a bunch of crap, I couldn't get through it. It's obvious Yukari loves him, but who says it's reciprocated? The gamer.
@Pyrekins You get, however, to "touch her Papillon Core" ;D. And as a female too! xD
And in FES, Aigis develops feelings for the main character, far beyond guilt.
You mentioned the P3 manga makes Yukari/Minato canon, right? And Yukari enters The Answer in love with the protagonist. While I don't mind people shipping (except Chie/Yosuke and Naoto/Rise, two pairings I despise with my heart), when someone says "X is more canon than Y" is when I'll point out where Atlus seems headed too.
@FethShup I was really surprised they kept the Aigis-love in the P3P girl version. ... Either way, I can't wait to get to that part in the game. Yukari seems to have a huge lesbian crush on her, too, so it's all around a pretty fun game.
I agree that her feelings progress, but it's mostly in the s-link that it happens. idk, it makes me really annoyed when the creators feel like they have to pair LITERALLY EVERYONE together, so these games were a relief, and I'd like to keep them that way.
@Pyrekins Well, I think so. I played P3P's japanese version. I still haven't made it in the english one, and I wonder if they kept it. And no, Yukari doesn't have a lesbian crush on her, sadly. She still blushes towards Mitsuru and you can get the two of them in an awkward situation in the Love Hotel, though.
The Answer apparently assumes you finished their Social Links, alongside with Chidori dying and not returning.
@FethShup From where I am in the game, they're really making both Yukari and Junpei heaps more likeable. Yukari because she's not desperate to get into FeMC's pants, and Junpei because it's nice to get some insight on him. YES. The hotel scene's what I was hoping for, so it's good to get some affirmation.
The only problem I have right now is that they didn't fix Fuuka's terrible, terrible voice actor.
@Pyrekins Junpei isn't dateable, though. I guess it's a good thing, since it shows that you don't have to get into someone's pants in order to flesh him out. My biggest quarrel, though, is that the male still has to chase the girls' skirts in order to finish their Social Links. The female has a friendship option with everyone except Aigis (is she a canon lesbian?).
They fixed that up a bit in Persona 4. You can choose, at a certain point, to be a female Social Link's boyfriend or BFF, but having more than one girlfriend makes for awkward day outings.
Rise: Okaaay... it looks like Kanji's doing pretty well, so let's leave these two at the booth and go distribute Teddie's flyers! Senpai!
Souji: Wha?
Souji doesn't seem to be really willing to help Rise, specially due to her obvious ulterior intentions. It's not his "weird humour", it's just that he doesn't seem interested in her.
@FethShup It's in Rise's personality to tease everyone. You don't have to be a total pussy in order to love her, and I wouldn't expect Souji to go "yes, my lady" to every little request she makes. In game, he tolerates her clinging just fine. He genuinely doesn't seem bothered by it, which counts for more than a few awkward statements in a drama cd. I'm not saying it's a more canon pairing, I'm just saying it's stressed more, since she's a really forward kind of person, and he doesn't mind.
@FethShup Of course you're going to hug her if it's her social link, are you retarded? That's only a case of ACTIVELY doing her link, which I never did, and so it's not a "hint" that it's the most canon. I think I got to rank 2 before getting fed up? Yeah. You can sleep with Rise, so obviously that's the most canon, because Souji would /never/ have more than one girlfriend at a time!
Still, you haven't quoted anything in the CD that states Souji only loves Yukiko. Those are your only hints?
@Pyrekins Except that with other girls, Souji has to press the "hug" buttom. It's not like that with Yukiko, whom he hugs automatically. Her social link, out of all, also develops better into a relationship than others, and it's her friendship path that sounds far more corny than others.
Many people agree that Yukiko's Social Link develops better into a romantic path instead of a friendship path. I, personally, do not share the idea since Souj/Yukiko doesn't appeal me. I simply quote what they say.
Souji/Rise without the Social Link is just fangirling. It's as canon as Souji/Hanako.
@Pyrekins Yukiko: Thank you for accompanying us all the way here.
Souji: I'll walk you home.
Yukiko: What? You don't have to...
Souji: It's late.
Yukiko: I'll be fine. Chie's with me.
Chie: You can count on me!
Souji: Ah... but...
Before you say I have a shipping bias: I ship Souji/Chie mainly. This line pretty much sank the pairing. There's a bit more of Souji/Yukiko? Shall I quote it too?
@FethShup ... That's it? Souji's just being a nice guy and you pin it as a completely canon pairing? Souji/Chie is canon too, depending entirely on what the gamer chooses. Yukiko is like, the weakest girl character, so wouldn't it make sense for any guy to want to help her out?
I don't really ship anything in P4. Except Kou/balls, but that goes without saying.
You're going to try to take that line seriously in order to make a big deal about it, too, aren't you. Pfft. :'>
@Pyrekins Mitsuru has clear differences from Naoto: she gets chewed for abusing her position and not telling SEES about the Kirijo's group involvement in the Dark Hour. Naoto, on the other hand, is a 14/15 years old crossdressing "detective" who wields a gun in a nation with rigid gun control. She is constantly told about what an awesome detective she is, despite the fact that all she does is being even more Captain Obvious than Fuuka Yamagishi and saying "I should've known". Naoto's a canon sue
@FethShup That's why I said that they're only both "serious". Since Naoto doesn't have a character in past games that she acts like, why did you say her situation is the same as P2? Since she's so different, wouldn't that make the entire reasoning different?
at the beginning i was thinking why is yosuke alone? what about chie? hahahahaha!! yosuke was really funny at 1:35 and yeah!! soujixnaoto is pure loveX3and nothing will change my mind.
hahahaha, chie is gay 4 yukiko! (what did the letter she gave him say??) "The Dirge of Yosuke" or "The Pathetic Ballad of Mr. Hanamura" should b the name of this.
yeah, I got a lot of pictures of Souji with Naoto thou, and they look good together... but still... I think Rise is the best girl for him.
(I have a hillarious pic where the MC is with Naoto, he is taking her socks off and she is almost naked, dressed like a schoolgirl. And Dojima is entering the room with the letter for Souji, he is looking at them with a drop in his forehead, LOL)
Kanji is afraid of this, so he uses the fact that he liked Naoto when he thought she was a guy to try and convince himself--and others--that he's straight so he'll be accepted.
It's why he was begging Naoto to show up on the beauty pageant, and stops even pretending to like her after she won. He wanted to see her as a girl and at her best so he can convince himself that he's NOT gay. When he sees her, he realizes he can never be attracted to a woman and just gives up.
Naoto shows NO romantic interest in Kanji whatsoever.
Even when Kanji BEGGED her to go to the beauty pageant, she still refuses and pretty much no-one could convince her to go. If she liked him, she would say something like, "Even you? Fine, I'll do it." or another phrase along those lines.
She doesn't. She yells at him and refuses fervently to do it, even when he continues to pester her.
Naoto and Kanji would make the worst couple in that game.
Considering he acts like a delinquent, prefers MEN and has absolutely no clue about women...
Naoto needs someone who is sensitive to her feelings, law-abiding, patient and can make her feel that her gender isn't a barrier to what she can accomplish. She needs someone to help convince her that being a girl isn't that bad, because it's obvious she detests the fact she's a girl and she needs a person who wouldn't prefer her as a guy.
i wanna know what the tittle say. TT^TT
mariados64 4 months ago
@mariados64 The title says 'Die with P4! Valentine Day'
kashiwamizu 4 months ago
ＰＳ３でペルソナ５発売してくれないかなぁ
maxman459129 7 months ago
ヨースケイケメンなんだけどなあＷＷＷ
FEarisato113 8 months ago
p4に女主人公が追加されたら、女主が花村の彼女になってあげればいいよ
usada3310 10 months ago
ペルソナ４では
いろんな人から→主人公
りせ・なおと→完二
菜々子→クマ
がいい感じなのに、考えてみたら花村だけいねぇ・・。
voruna70 10 months ago
Rise looks mitsuru on that video
WertoDBZ 11 months ago
これはふいたww
amqine2828 11 months ago
why does this video have so many views
lurker2626 11 months ago
yosuke's faces are fickin funny!!!especially at 1:39
MICHIYO966 1 year ago
1:31
GUYS I GOTTA PEE
PokeEXE 1 year ago 17
Nice Video by the way. I understand why you may have chosed these pairings. I always did get the hint that Rise was SOMEWHAT flirting with Kanji throughout the game.
Japanime20 1 year ago
@Japanime20
naah..Rise is somewhat flirting if u say that way.. that's because she is Rise. besides, she knew that actually Kanji likes Naoto even after he knew that Naoto is a girl. if u play again n hear the drama cd, u will realize that the pairing goes to this : MC-Yukiko as a couple, at least people hoping that way. though they looks like ended as friend due to the circumtances. Yosuke-Chie since both of them always have a quarrel. MC-Rise though it is one sided.and Kanji-Naoto
Overture92 1 year ago
@Overture92 I got cha. It just that scenes like the club when she calls on Kanji when she could have called on anybody else. The study group when she asked for his animal crackers. And an off-scence when she goes to the texile shop and sees his toys. I also tend to see a bit of Kanji X Yukiko, though it may be a Brother X Sister kind of relationship.
Japanime20 1 year ago
@Japanime20 yep, also i believed that i heard in the game that Yukiko used to be known kanji for a long times since her Inn and The textile shop is connected each other but they never talked again until Kanji is being thrown into the TV.
Overture92 1 year ago
Why is everyone arguing about pairings and Kanji's sexuality? Should it even matter? Besides IN MY OPINION I don't think that Kanji is gay. He was just sexually confused because in the past girls rejected him for liking to sew instead of being what they claimed to be a real man and guys did not think much of it but, he did not have many male friends either. And Naoto only added to that confusion because she looked and acted like boy,(although at 1st she was called FEMININE-looking boy).
Japanime20 1 year ago
another mitsuo....
MrTempoedoeloe 1 year ago
YOSUKE,NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
joaoaspimienta 1 year ago
I see another Adachi.
kalakauai 1 year ago 12
shi..ne!!!!^_^
unbornraizan123 1 year ago
Sucks to be Yosuke. I hope they make a FES or Portable version of Persona 4 that gives out the option of a female protagonist, so at least he will have some comfort. That's it, until the female protagonist proves to be a pimp. xD
That, and losing to Yukiko shows how much of bad luck he has.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Similarly, Souji/Naoto IS more canon because it CAN actually happen, whereas Kanji loses interest after he finds out she's a girl AND it nevers happens AND it has terrible chemistry.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan @SeiryuSuboshisan And yet you continue to ignore the fact that the drama CDs hint the canon pairing are Souji/Yukiko and Kanji/Naoto... astonishing.
Please, read what I put before you stick your foot in your mouth.
I might agree with you that Kanji/Naoto has terrible chemistry, but for other reasons, mainly coming from Naoto. Just as Souji/Naoto or Naoto/Hanako are. Really, any pairing with Naoto is bound to have poor chemistry due to the character's poor development.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Hints =/= Fact. I've never listened to the drama CDs so I can't comment in detail.
I don't ship any Naoto pairing aside from Naoto/Rise.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan Then yours is a big case of hypocresy. How do Naoto and Rise have any chemistry, in comparison to Kanji and Naoto? At least Kanji and Naoto seem to be Atlus' official couple.
As for your hints=/=facts argument: sad news. Back then in Persona 2 Innocent Sin, they had given hints on Jun being Tatsuya's official couple. Guess what they did? Left hints at a Drama CD.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup I never said that Naoto/Rise was canon OR that it had any chemistry. I ship it because it looks cute aesthetically, and their personalities kind of fit in the way of a SRS BZNS with FLIRTY TYPE.
I could just as easily say that there were hints dropped in the entire manga of Ichigo 100% that Aya and Junpei were going to get together. In the end, he got with Tsukasa.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan You keep ignoring the Persona 2 facts...
That, and you keep whining about Kanji/Naoto's lack of chemistry, yet you ship somethihng that has little to no basis (Rise, a lesbian? Even Kanji/Naoto makes more sense)
As for whatever manga you're talking about, I've no idea.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup But Persona 2 isn't Persona 4.
Kanji/Naoto is a stupid pairing with no chemistry or positive attributes to it at all, while Naoto/Rise just isn't canon but has good chemistry and a lot of positive attributes.
There is a difference between shipping a pairing with bad chemistry and shipping a pairing that isn't canon.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan But it's made by the same entity (Atlus) and it's part of the series. They might have some differences, but they're part of a whole, and follow many trends within them.
Kanji/Naoto is just as good (or slightly better) than Naoto/Rise, which is worse due to not sticking to neither character (Rise's most certainly not a lesbian, which is evidenced by her crush on Souji, and Naoto hates her own gender, being a sexist bitch). And you now complain of the chemestry, see? :)
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup I've been told the games changed completely by Persona 3, so no, it really doesn't count. You can't say that all the manga or books or anime or cartoons follow the exact same trends just because it's the same COMPANY who makes them.
There is a difference between CANON and NO CHEMISTRY. Just because the characters aren't canonly inclined towards that gender doesn't mean they would make a horrible pairing.
Naoto doesn't hate GIRLS, Naoto hates BEING a girl. There's a difference.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan You've been told. Good. Yes, there was no social link system. And yes, there was no "shooting yourself in the head" (there isn't either in P4), there was no all out attack. That didn't stop them from using similar characterization. They didn't change completely. And they do follow similar trends, albeit focusing in P3 because it sold more in Japan.
And what do you mean by chemistry, then? Making characters act OOC already makes them a horrible pairing.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup ...No, OOC only means Out of Character, not Out of Canon.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan I said that Rise/Naoto is OOC meaning it IS Out of Character. I'm perfectly aware what it means. I even gave my arguments for it being out of character, which it clearly is.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup No, it is not out of their CHARACTERS, it is out of the CANON.
FFS.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan If Naoto had troubles with her feeling trapped in a woman's body because she is lacking of sexual identity, it would count as trangenderism. But the reasons behind it ("it's not my ideal image of a detective, BAWWWWWL) ARE sexist. They're not the same issues Kanji has.
Sexuality, like you point out in Kanji's case, is a BIG part of characters. Naoto and Rise would be out of character if they suddenly liked girls, especially two characters who had little to no interaction.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup They're not sexist, they are PERSONAL views. She never says that women CAN'T do this, she says that SHE FEELS SHE CANNOT DO IT AS A WOMAN. This means she feels inadequate as a woman and would prefer to be a man.
No, it's not. Sexuality is KANJI'S PROBLEM. Exposure is Rise's, possessiveness is Chie's, dependancy is Yukiko's, lack of identity is Teddie's, emptiness is Mitsuo's, jealousy is Miyumi's, self-martyrism is Nametame's, boredom is Yosuke's and Naoto's gender is hers.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan Naoto doesn't like spending time with other girls, even Chie, who's not particulary girly (it's either that, or she's a social reject, which seems fitting). She dislikes receiving female attention whether affectuous or friendly (thus, showing her dislike towards her gender in general), and doesn't have a particular interest in Rise The only actual interest Rise has in Naoto is (ZOMFG!!1!) to ship her with Kanji.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup She's a complete friendless loser, not a woman-hating Nazi.
She has absolutely no social skills whatsoever, and she shows no interest in making friends and her initial interests, if that, in any people at all is just to solve her cases.
She's not exactly making herself open to friendliness in her stupid verbosity and overcomplicated seriousness.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan The characteristics you mentioned about Naoto don't cancel what I mentioned. She even mentions in her social link that she didn't like spending time with other girls, playing "boyish" things. Her whole speech of "Womans cannot be good detectives" IS a machist thing to say, whether you like it or not.
And when she enters the Investigation team, she could try to spend time with the other girls, amongst them another tomboy. She doesn't. She clearly dislikes her gender.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Yes, she clearly dislikes BEING A GIRL.
For fucks sake, she is a girl who has always had BOYISH HABITS and therefore was rejected by her peers, which has led her to believe that SHE CANNOT ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING AS A GIRL.
This is not called fucking sexist speech, this is called TRANSGENDERISM.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan Her peers didn't lead her to believe she was inferior as a woman. SHE dit it herself:
"My sex doesn't fit my ideal image of a detective..."
THEN, she mentions that the police is male-oriented.
When she was at the investigation team, she did what she could to isolate herself from other girls. Even Chie, who is everything but a femenine flower.
And how liking detective stories is a boyish hobbie is rather... shall I say... dumb?
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup No, she said during her social link that she felt out-casted as nobody would take her hobbies seriously. Knowing how children are, the boys wouldn't have played with her because she was a girl and the girls wouldn't have played with her because she liked what boys liked.
And male detectives ARE more awesome than females ones. Humphrey Bogart played much better charismatic characters than Nancy Drew ever was. Some of the best detective films were made when sexism was rife in society.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan As I said, playing the detective is hardly a boyish hobbie. At best, it is eccentric. And it's not as if there never has been a tomboy other than Naoto.
The perspective of male detectives being better than female ones is extremely subjective. I personally love Olivia Benson, not just because of the detective aspect but because of the different faces she has. And you just accepted that Naoto's reasons ARE sexist.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup No, Naoto's reasons are based on PERSONAL BELIEFS THAT SHE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS A WOMAN.
Read what I say.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan READ WHAT NAOTO SAYS, CAPS-MAN:
"My gender does not fit with the ideal image of a detective."
That's not a "I'm a woman, so I can't do this." That's "Woman are not fit for being detectives."
And if Kanji's issue is sexuality, then it is an issue that isn't resolved at all. Atlus itself said that Kanji's sexuality remains ambiguous for the rest of the game in order to fit whenever it is funnier. Yosuke's issue in his social link isn't exactly boredom, but getting over Saki.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Yosuke's shadow CLEARLY SAYS that he's sick of the boring hick town. Jesus balls, man, I'm kinda losing patience, haha.
The thing with that is the translation. Japanese is a VERY ambiguous language, so while you may interpret it completely wrongly in order to fit your argument, the fact is she's stating what HER opinions are throughout the entire rant and her shadow is belittling HER and not WOMEN, this probably means it should be interpreted as hating HER instead of WOMEN.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan Yet the problem of his social link is clearly getting over Saki. That's what eats him the most, not boredom. During his social link, most/all of his issues are directed to Saki's death, mentioning boredom ONCE.
If you use japanese as an excuse just for being an ambiguous language, then I can use that as an excuse to well... nearly everything. I don't interpret it wrongly. Saying that a woman is not a good detective IS sexist, in whatever context.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup The problem of his SOCIAL LINK, not his SHADOW. If we're talking about social links, then Naoto's problem is not sexism, it's feeling inadequate as a woman, which, oops, is exactly what I've been talking about.
Yes, you do. Her shadow is mocking NAOTO, not WOMEN. Her shadow is saying NAOTO can't do anything, not WOMEN. Her shadow is saying NAOTO can't be anything good because she's a WOMAN, not WOMEN can't do anything good because they're WOMEN.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan The phrase I've just mentioned is taken from a confrontation AFTER her shadow. It's a sexist phrase. You can say "But most detectives are male" all you want. It's still sexist.
Her shadow actually whines a lot more about not being able to do anything well as a KID. The female part is either badly written or a secondary issue.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup My sex does not fit with MY ideal image of a detective is hardly sexist either.
If I said my ideal image of a tennis player was Rafael Nadal, that's in no way saying that women can't be tennis players.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@FethShup Since when were transvestites all sexist? All right, think of a cliche detective, right now. Chances are either Humphrey Bogart or Sherlock Holmes came to your mind. What gender are they?
As you state yourself, Kanji's sexuality is ambiguous. Since they didn't even confirm that, why would they confirm him in an actual relationship? Contradictions galore. All you're doing is making up and looking way too far into things in a desperate attempt to have Kanji/Naoto canon, when it is not.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins When I speak of Naoto being a sexist, I use a particular phrase: "My gender doesn't fit with my ideal image of a detective".
According to many, Naoto's an exception to Kanji. And it isn't uncommon that, when fans reclaim something, the company gives it to them. Kanji/Naoto, alongiside with Canon!Sue herself, are popular enough. Then comes the Drama CD...
And personally, I don't care about Kanji/Naoto. What I despise is people saying that Souji/Naoto is canon (besides Naoto herself).
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Yes, but as I said earlier, most people's detective image are the classics from either the 40s or much earlier, when women were seen as weak. Naoto is very obviously socially stunted, so I can see her image stemming solely from the old detective books/movies. And really, I can't blame her. The Maltese Falcon made me want to be a male detective back then. ):
You forget that Souji/Naoto is an option in the game, making it just as canon as Souji/Rise or whatever else.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins But Naoto's excuse is that she wanted to be a detective to go on with her parent's legacy. Her parent's. One of them was, logically, a woman. Yet she still says that her ideal image is that of a man.
Souji/Naoto might be an option, just like Mitsuru, Fuuka, Chihiro, Yuko, were in P3, alongside with Yukari and Aigis. Yet the canon pairings are with Yukari and Aigis. Maya and Lisa were also options alongside Jun, yet the canon pairing was Jun. It is possible, not canon.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup She's not just female, she's young. I think she's desperate to make herself as universally appealing as she can in order to become the best detective she can be. The majority of cops are statistically male, so if she puts herself in that majority, it helps her career. Like I said before, she's emotionally/socially stunted. She doesn't GET it, I don't think.
You can still choose it as an option, and that's the point. Souji doesn't HAVE any scenes that force him to go a certain way.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@FethShup This would naturally effect her view of detectives, AND of how she is not suited to be a woman, not to mention she greatly admires her grandfather as a detective, and HE is a man. This would all make her think more of men and less of women.
No, she didn't. She gets along with the girls just fine, and I have never seen an instance where she attempts to avoid friends she has been seeking all her life.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan If you take care of watching how she got along with the team, the only girl she might have been around is Rise, and most of the time, she's next to Kanji. She didn't have much interaction with Yukiko or Chie. And as I said, Chie's not a femenine woman.
And she mentioned both her parents were detectives and that she inicially wanted to embrace their legacy. Why would she consider women inferior as detectives if her mother was one and she wanted to live up to her expectations?
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup There is a simple reason for this: Rise and Naoto are in the same class, and has no close friends. Yukiko and Chie are best friends, so Naoto would feel like she's intruding, and they're in a completely different YEAR to Naoto.
Because Naoto FEELS INFERIOR AS A WOMAN, because of ALL THE REASONS I HAVE SAID. Her Shadow is mocking her FOR this belief, saying that Naoto feels like she can't be a detective as a woman, not that women can't be detectives.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan Yet Yukiko and Chie don't have any problem with hanging out with Yosuke, Souji, Kanji and Rise, and Naoto has no problem with hanging out with Souji either. Naoto tends to be placed far from the girls, too.
You can say whatever you want, but saying that good detectives are male IS a sexist thing, whether you like it or not. It's what Naoto herself said and I quoted it to boredom, yet you seem not to understand or accept that fact.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Wow, you're the one telling me to accept facts when you're using a completely different game to justify a pairing that doesn't and will never happen.
Yukiko and Chie have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROBLEMS to Naoto. Just because Souji has a tongue as silver as his hair and can convince anyone to trust him and do what he says doesn't mean Naoto hanging out with him means she loves all males. She's just being the socially fucked guillible loser she is.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan Actually, they're not that different. Yukiko's issues are about following a tradition unwillingly, while Chie is jealous at Yukiko's femenine qualities. Naoto could just get along with them, yet most of the time she is seen with other males. And I'm not justifying Kanji/Naoto. And simply pointing out Atlus likes to give out hints about them.
And Souji has the personality you wish him to have. He's not necessarily silver-tongued.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Even if that was right, which it's not, Naoto is not following a tradition UNWILLINGLY and Naoto does not WANT to have any feminine qualities.
Chie is obsessing over how Yukiko is hers and she loves having Yukiko wrapped around her little finger and how Chie loves being in control of Yukiko, and Yukiko's is her wanting Chie to take her away and wanting Chie to be a strong prince for her and about how she always looks up to Chie.
Naoto hates being a woman.
Wow, the similarities.
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan Naoto said that she originally wanted to follow her parent's legacy. Not her father's. Her parents.
If you wrap up Chie's problem as possesiveness, you're ignoring the other part of the issue. Why is she possesive? She's jealous of Yukiko. Jealous of her being femenine while she's an unpopular tomboy. There are similarities, and they even want at the end the same thing: being a cop.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Hi. Since when does a Drama CD have more merit than the actual game?
Who cares what Persona 2 does? That is a totally different game than both P3 and P4, in both plot and dynamics. What your saying has the exact same amount of logic as, "well the original english version of P1 changed some guy's race to black, so obviously Chie/Adachi is canon in P4". Either you're saying Atlus is horribly unoriginal and makes the same game over and over again, or you're full of bullshit. Sorry.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Ask Atlus. They confirmed first through some interviews and then through the Drama CD Tatsuta/Jun.
As for Atlus being horribly unoriginal: partially. I am slightly annoyed at the constant Dating Sim mechanic (not as much as others, though). And it's not bad to use similar tools to create characters. Rise and Lisa are the most obvious, with the foil mechanic with Eikichi, Junpei and Yosuke. Naoto's an oddity, with her canon-sueness.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup I love the Social Link thing. I'm not into just fighting 100% of the time, so I find it a really nice break. If anything, Naoto is a lot like Raidou from Devil Summoner. Or even Mitsuru, since they're both so serious. But really, you're just relating various character traits, which isn't the same thing as regenerating the characters themselves.
From what I've read of the plot, P2 is nothing like P4. Unless something like this happens in every single Atlus game made, it holds no merit.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins I liked it a bit more in P4, if anything due to the character development present in it. But still, Dating Sims are rather annoying after a while.
And while they don't regenerate the characters, they use the same formulae. Naoto differs from Mitsuru in that she's a canon Sue.
As someone who began playing Persona 2, I can safely say that neither Persona 2 is similar to P3 or P4 in plot, but neither is P3 similar at all in regards to Persona 4. Thus, it holds merit.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup I don't think so. I like the insight I get on the characters. Like in P3P, it's actually making me like Junpei (and Yukari, but that's only because she's not desperate to get in FeMC's pants).
Exactly. Since they are so different, you can't take a situation from one game and say that it's canon because of events in a completely different one. It's like saying FF13 has Lightning/Hope as a canon pairing just because in P3P you can date Ken.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Final Fantasy (assuming it's Final Fantasy, since I have no idea what FF13 is otherwise) doesn't belong to the Persona series, or Atlus. They always use a similar formulae for characters and often confirm things through Drama CDs (Aigis having given form to Metis by giving her the appearance of a hospital patient, the Tatsuya/Jun pairing, etc).
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup It's generally the exact same reasoning. P2 is nothing like P4. Final Fantasy is nothing like P3. "If Japan likes to pedo for this game, I'm sure Japan doesn't mind pedo in this game, too!"
The Drama CDs are not canon. It's like saying filler in an anime is more canon than the manga, which would be a lie. What happens in the actual game always comes first, because the people who organize the CDs will not be the exact same people organizing the game.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Except that Final Fantasy isn't done by Atlus, and has a different public target.
And Drama CDs are often Atlus' way of confirming/explaining things. Do I have to bring the same examples again? :)
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup No, I think you need to think up examples that actually work in your favour. How does "well Aigis explains..." make Kanji/Naoto canon?
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Empiricism.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup The fact that you have not quoted one line from the Drama CD really proves that it's almost positively not valid proof. You seem to try very hard to be as general as possible.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins
Rise: Of course, you have to sew one for Naoto-kun, too! You have to make it SUPER cute!
Kanji: *gnk*
Naoto: Me? I don't need one. Unlike Kujikawa-san, I haven't exactly done anything.
Rise: He said he'll sew you one, so it's okay!
Kanji: I didn't say that.
Rise: Anyway, you're a girl Naoto-kun, so you shouldn't wear those stiff clothes all the time! It's a real waste! Like the skirt today, for example, it looks great on you. Right, Kanji?
Kanji: Yeah. --DON'T ASK ME."
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup That just seems like classic Japanese humour. Pair awkward!guy with teasing!girl and hilarity ensues, that kind of thing. Drama CDs have to have extreme reactions because there's only audio, in any case.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins It does prove that Kanji is attracted to Naoto, though. That, plus the Souji/Yukiko lines and Naoto seemingly blushing in a dialogue with Kanji, and the already mentioned Atlus-Persona trend...
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup How? It's just Rise asking Kanji to make shit for Naoto. You could use the exact same quote if you wanted proof for Kanji/Rise. He's acting awkward like always.
Naoto has absolutely no reason to like Kanji. They don't work together at all, and even if she did, the relationship would end in 5 minutes. I've never seen her blush in any scenes except those with Souji.
What Souji/Yukiko lines? I remember Yukiko trying to force herself on Souji a few times, but. Rise/Souji was stressed.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Except that he doesn't act awkward towards Rise, just annoyed. He acts awkward towards Naoto, wearing a skirt. He never acts awkward towards Rise, too.
As I said, Naoto blushes on the Drama CD. Though, if you go through the second studying group route, you can get a chance to ship them together, to which Naoto blushes. I agree that the pairing has no chemistry at all, just like many other crazy pairings. But probably, for different reasons than others.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Really? Tons of scenes come to mind where he acts awkward over the things Rise says/does. It's not so much ANGRY as it is an angry-awkward sort of thing. Kanji's an easy guy to get riled, in case it wasn't obvious.
Of course Naoto would blush, she's socially retarded. Thinking of such close relations with anyone would make someone like her embarrassed, easily. I'm sure she'd blush just the same if someone said something about Yosuke/Naoto, too.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Rise's FANGIRLING is stressed. Yukiko, on the other hand, expresses her affection for the main character far earlier than other girls, is often next to the main character, etc.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup I don't think so, with all that clinging. Rise genuinely loves him, I'd say, in unchangable canon scenes. With Yukiko, you can ignore/dismiss anything she does. Which I very easily did through the course of the game. What does standing have to do with it?
Souji doesn't have a stressed pairing, unlike Minato.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Rise's a clingy teen. That doesn't count as love. If it did, then Asuka from Evangelion is truly in love with Ryoji Kaji.
Yukiko is often prodded in Souji's way, even more than Rise, who actually has to do it herself. Chie, on the other hand, must be done all the courting, unlike Yukiko, Rise, or even Naoto (who jokes blushingly that she would like to go with Souji to the city).
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup If you can't tell how big a crush Rise's got on Souji, I'd have to dub you as totally biased. I can only remember one scene in particular when they make you stick with Yukiko instead of Yosuke & Chie (while they're out patrollin' and trying catch kidnappers ridin' dirtay) in order to get her social link. That's it. Chie's more of a bff type character, so I never really considered her an option.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins A crush doesn't equal love. Rise's clinging on the character is just that: clinging. As I said, Asuka doesn't love Kaji in Evangelion. And there's more than that: when Yosuke and Chie start arguing, Souji goes off with Yukiko. On the Group Date Café, Souji works alongside Yukiko. The only one who Souji hugs without an option to do so is, IIRC correctly, Yukiko.
Chie's the only character I usually make Souji date, if only because she's the closest to next-door girl.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup From what I know, Asuka's a bitchy tsundere. Rise isn't. There's the difference.
You forget that those were the only characters back then. They wouldn't make the main character walk off alone, because that's douchey. No hints at all.
The Group Date thing wasn't about Yukiko at all, though. In my experience, I just took it as a chance to make as many gay comments as I could, because I'm like that. Dude, I took every opportunity to be a total asshole to her, haha. Where do you hug her?
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Asuka is a "bitchy" tsundere towards Shinji, and a clingy girl towards Kaji, much like Rise. She isn't Tsundere towards Kaji at all.
The games loves to prodd her on your way. Whether it is to begin the Social link or put her next to you. The fact that she's the only girl Souji hugs in her Social Link and (LOL) the Drama CD dialogues, in which Souji shows attraction only towards her reinforce the statement.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Souji hugs Yosuke, too!
SeiryuSuboshisan 1 year ago
@SeiryuSuboshisan As I said, I don't mind Yosuke/Souji! :D
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup So you think Yosuke/Souji is more canon than the rest of the pairings, just because of that option? Adding to the "partner" and "great with his hands" parts too, of course.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
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@Pyrekins "No, that'd just piss people like you off."
Except that I'm pretty much in the minority. Naoto is loved by fans for reasons I prefer not to comprehend, and Souji/Naoto is extremely popular in Japan, the most popular couple IIRC, and P4 didn't have as much success there as P3. It would be better for them to hint Souji/Naoto, instead of Souji/Yukiko. Yet they prefer to hint Souji/Yukiko all the same!
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup What I meant with that was "people who look too far into things and try to make canon out of minor instances". I hate Naoto too, more than any other character.
I'm pretty sure that P4 was more positively regarded than P3, which is probably only so popular because they keep remaking it. Problem: They don't hint Souji/Yukiko. If I had the time, I'd pick at sentences to find "hidden pairings", too, sure, but you have to understand that these "hints" don't mean a thing.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@FethShup Dude, I really don't care about some show that was made like 30 years ago. At least use current references if you're going to compare someone to a shitty cliche. "RISE IS LIKE SAKURA SHE DOESN'T REALLY LOVE SASUKE LOL"
Right, because standing beside someone = love. Seriously, stop reaching. This is getting pathetic. The game doesn't prod anything. I'll admit that P3 tries to push Yukari on you (though you can easily dismiss her, thus not making it canon at all), but not in P4.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins You... want me to use Naruto as a reference? *snrk* And you seemed to accept it as a reference when I mentioned it.
If you wish to ignore Yukiko's prodding, then go ahead. I don't mind.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Please look up "sarcasm" in the nearest dictionary. If you can't tell when someone's parodying the ridiculousness of what you've said, you should also look up "ignorant". No offense.
The option that you can ignore everything Yukiko does makes it just as canon as Souji/Naoto, if not a little less (since Naoto's a more popular character).
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins C'mon! Don't get angry! Getting bitter over the internet is rather useless, really.
So Naoto being more popular makes her more canon. I would agree with you, had Atlus done so too. It's Yukiko the one who Atlus put Souji with. :D If Naoto was the official couple, don't you think they would hint her being with the protagonist in order to please the fans (Naoto/Souji is the most popular in Japan), instead of hinting Souji/Yukiko?
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Unfortunately, I'm not angry at all. It just seems that sometimes one has to be a little more forceful in their statements in order for words to get through to some.
Just as I would agree to Yukiko/Souji ... if Persona 4 wasn't actually a dating sim and there were some actual /real/ hints in place.
No, that'd just piss people like you off. And still, there is no Yukiko/Souji proof. If I dated every person I stood beside, I'd probably have quite a lot of STDs from those subway trips.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Persona had Maki/Naoya as an official couple. Tastuya/Jun were also official in Innocent Sin and had a Drama CD to back it up. Minato seems to have as official couples Yukari (who at least is in love with him) Aigis and perhaps Chihiro. The last one fits the Dating Sim and it still has official couples, making Mitsuru/Minato, Fuuka/Minato and Yuko/Minato non-canon. Majority... rules?
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Yes, and neither Persona 1 or 2 had social links, which is the huge difference. They are not the same at all.
Chihiro? Where are you getting that from? The only scene with Minato that you cannot change is the last one with Aigis. Then again, she's a robot. Yukari/Minato is canon in the P3 manga, which is gross, but whatever.
Those pairings are canon if you choose them in-game. You don't see people trying to pretend some pairings are canon over the other in any other dating sims.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins IIRC correctly, Chihiro said something of "Someone helping her abandon her phobia over men." And due to Aigis' popularity, FES allowed the player to date her, and in the Answer, she speaks often of her love for him. Minato/Yukari was prodded in the way and also proven canon in the Answer. Mitsuru and Fuuka do not do such thing, much less affected by Minato's departure.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Aigis was the only girl I ended up maxing, and she's the only one you don't sleep with, haha. (P-Probably because she has no-- I'll shut up.) See, the thing is, Aigis isn't human. I love her, and I ship the pairing, but it explained in-canon that the only reason she was saying those things is beause of "the events ten years ago", and Nyx inside him. The Answer was a bunch of crap, I couldn't get through it. It's obvious Yukari loves him, but who says it's reciprocated? The gamer.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins You get, however, to "touch her Papillon Core" ;D. And as a female too! xD
And in FES, Aigis develops feelings for the main character, far beyond guilt.
You mentioned the P3 manga makes Yukari/Minato canon, right? And Yukari enters The Answer in love with the protagonist. While I don't mind people shipping (except Chie/Yosuke and Naoto/Rise, two pairings I despise with my heart), when someone says "X is more canon than Y" is when I'll point out where Atlus seems headed too.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup I was really surprised they kept the Aigis-love in the P3P girl version. ... Either way, I can't wait to get to that part in the game. Yukari seems to have a huge lesbian crush on her, too, so it's all around a pretty fun game.
I agree that her feelings progress, but it's mostly in the s-link that it happens. idk, it makes me really annoyed when the creators feel like they have to pair LITERALLY EVERYONE together, so these games were a relief, and I'd like to keep them that way.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Well, I think so. I played P3P's japanese version. I still haven't made it in the english one, and I wonder if they kept it. And no, Yukari doesn't have a lesbian crush on her, sadly. She still blushes towards Mitsuru and you can get the two of them in an awkward situation in the Love Hotel, though.
The Answer apparently assumes you finished their Social Links, alongside with Chidori dying and not returning.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup From where I am in the game, they're really making both Yukari and Junpei heaps more likeable. Yukari because she's not desperate to get into FeMC's pants, and Junpei because it's nice to get some insight on him. YES. The hotel scene's what I was hoping for, so it's good to get some affirmation.
The only problem I have right now is that they didn't fix Fuuka's terrible, terrible voice actor.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Junpei isn't dateable, though. I guess it's a good thing, since it shows that you don't have to get into someone's pants in order to flesh him out. My biggest quarrel, though, is that the male still has to chase the girls' skirts in order to finish their Social Links. The female has a friendship option with everyone except Aigis (is she a canon lesbian?).
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup
They fixed that up a bit in Persona 4. You can choose, at a certain point, to be a female Social Link's boyfriend or BFF, but having more than one girlfriend makes for awkward day outings.
UkeRenji 1 year ago
@Pyrekins AAAND:
Rise: Okaaay... it looks like Kanji's doing pretty well, so let's leave these two at the booth and go distribute Teddie's flyers! Senpai!
Souji: Wha?
Souji doesn't seem to be really willing to help Rise, specially due to her obvious ulterior intentions. It's not his "weird humour", it's just that he doesn't seem interested in her.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup It's in Rise's personality to tease everyone. You don't have to be a total pussy in order to love her, and I wouldn't expect Souji to go "yes, my lady" to every little request she makes. In game, he tolerates her clinging just fine. He genuinely doesn't seem bothered by it, which counts for more than a few awkward statements in a drama cd. I'm not saying it's a more canon pairing, I'm just saying it's stressed more, since she's a really forward kind of person, and he doesn't mind.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@FethShup Of course you're going to hug her if it's her social link, are you retarded? That's only a case of ACTIVELY doing her link, which I never did, and so it's not a "hint" that it's the most canon. I think I got to rank 2 before getting fed up? Yeah. You can sleep with Rise, so obviously that's the most canon, because Souji would /never/ have more than one girlfriend at a time!
Still, you haven't quoted anything in the CD that states Souji only loves Yukiko. Those are your only hints?
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Except that with other girls, Souji has to press the "hug" buttom. It's not like that with Yukiko, whom he hugs automatically. Her social link, out of all, also develops better into a relationship than others, and it's her friendship path that sounds far more corny than others.
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup Right, and only if you choose her social link. Just like how you can get with Rise, Chie, Naoto, etc etc. Every single girl.
And really, "it develops better"? "Corny"? That's nothing but opinion. Opinion =/= Canon.
I personally feel that the Souji/Rise pairing didn't have to develop at all. It was already there the entire time. So, really, if anything.
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins You can also be celibate.
Many people agree that Yukiko's Social Link develops better into a romantic path instead of a friendship path. I, personally, do not share the idea since Souj/Yukiko doesn't appeal me. I simply quote what they say.
Souji/Rise without the Social Link is just fangirling. It's as canon as Souji/Hanako.
FethShup 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Teddie: Why's Kanji so desperate?
Kanji: Please! I can't stop Kujikawa's crazy antics on my own!
Yosuke: What the hell do you mean by crazy antics? She's trying to help you, so just go with the flow!
Kanji: You bastards... you're enjoying this, aren't you!?
Souji: Guess I have no choice.
Kanji: Thank you! I owe you big!
FethShup 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Yukiko: Thank you for accompanying us all the way here.
Souji: I'll walk you home.
Yukiko: What? You don't have to...
Souji: It's late.
Yukiko: I'll be fine. Chie's with me.
Chie: You can count on me!
Souji: Ah... but...
Before you say I have a shipping bias: I ship Souji/Chie mainly. This line pretty much sank the pairing. There's a bit more of Souji/Yukiko? Shall I quote it too?
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup ... That's it? Souji's just being a nice guy and you pin it as a completely canon pairing? Souji/Chie is canon too, depending entirely on what the gamer chooses. Yukiko is like, the weakest girl character, so wouldn't it make sense for any guy to want to help her out?
I don't really ship anything in P4. Except Kou/balls, but that goes without saying.
You're going to try to take that line seriously in order to make a big deal about it, too, aren't you. Pfft. :'>
Pyrekins 1 year ago
Kanji: Huh? That's completely unnecessary!
Rise: Senpai, too! Come down tomorrow if you're free!
Souji: Me?
Rise: Look, I'm a famous idol, so the crowd might get too big and swarm in, and I don't know if Kanji alone is enough...
Kanji: I... I hope you'll join us, too!
FethShup 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Mitsuru has clear differences from Naoto: she gets chewed for abusing her position and not telling SEES about the Kirijo's group involvement in the Dark Hour. Naoto, on the other hand, is a 14/15 years old crossdressing "detective" who wields a gun in a nation with rigid gun control. She is constantly told about what an awesome detective she is, despite the fact that all she does is being even more Captain Obvious than Fuuka Yamagishi and saying "I should've known". Naoto's a canon sue
FethShup 1 year ago
@FethShup That's why I said that they're only both "serious". Since Naoto doesn't have a character in past games that she acts like, why did you say her situation is the same as P2? Since she's so different, wouldn't that make the entire reasoning different?
Pyrekins 1 year ago
@Pyrekins Naoto's a Sue, but a Sue made by the same company within the same series, anyways.
FethShup 1 year ago
Poor Brosuke.
Seranov 1 year ago
Yosuke needs a brohug.
HeyItsJonaveil 1 year ago
花村・・・
7uytrewq 1 year ago
Ahhh, Yosuke san, there is no problem! ^^
..I love you!! *w*
EryBlueEevee93 2 years ago
Poor Yousuke,that was so sad T.T
Uakamaru 2 years ago 4
Ya, but his Emo stare at 0:42 scares the crap out of me. He looks like he's looking into your soul. XP
CalicoVall 2 years ago 3
@CalicoVall man... tha stare IS creepy! It follows you!!!
Krescentwolf 1 year ago
@Krescentwolf O_O IT DOES!! Souji needs to smack some sense into him. XP
CalicoVall 1 year ago
if they ever make a P5 they should make it long enough to reach valentine's day D:
dudewhereismyspoon 2 years ago 4
@dudewhereismyspoon
i think they have something different in japan, but either way you're right
technoskull 2 years ago
DESPAIR
ayoama 2 years ago
at the beginning i was thinking why is yosuke alone? what about chie? hahahahaha!! yosuke was really funny at 1:35 and yeah!! soujixnaoto is pure loveX3and nothing will change my mind.
suyinoco 2 years ago
*internet High-Five*
CalicoVall 2 years ago
?????
suyinoco 2 years ago
I agree with you on SoujixNaoto. ^w^
CalicoVall 2 years ago
hahahaha sorry and thanks ^^ anyone who supports this couple is my friend :D
suyinoco 2 years ago
Ya, and also the fact I like KanjixRise as well. ^^
CalicoVall 2 years ago
ahaha i love his face when he saw teddie and nanako.
hoangielu 2 years ago
T__T
OMFG, this is sooooooooo sad... *cries*
My poor Yosuke-kun....
You'll always be mine forever! ^////^
I <3 U YOSUKE HANAMURA! :D
MiyazakiLOVESYosuke 2 years ago
HAHAHA POOR YOSUKE XD
HayaHamaOtsu 2 years ago 11
Is that Rise with Kanji or a different girl? (I don't see the pigtails)
lalalagirl55 2 years ago 3
I kinda feel like that....
klopmis 2 years ago 3
。。。。死ね。。。。。
CGrascal 2 years ago
LOOOL poor yosuke... coz of this i noticed how yosuke lonely...anyways he have teddie everyday.
hitsuriko 2 years ago 6
no,teddie's with nanako-chan according to the video XD
joaoaspimienta 2 years ago 4
Yosuke can always have me xD
fieryfire5 2 years ago 11
hahahaha, chie is gay 4 yukiko! (what did the letter she gave him say??) "The Dirge of Yosuke" or "The Pathetic Ballad of Mr. Hanamura" should b the name of this.
theseedy7eleven 2 years ago
whoops, did i upset some extremists? go to costco & buy a sense of humor. please. (there's a value-pack for all 4 of ya)
theseedy7eleven 2 years ago 3
poor yosuke i should run to him and give him a letter with pay em 5,000yen :P
irfan400 2 years ago
I would give you chocolate Yosuke~!
x0xShiellx0x 2 years ago 5
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Yosuke-kun!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! DDDD:
Don't say "shine!!!!!!!" (shine - die in Japanese)
*cries*
*hugs him tightly and kisses him passionately*
YOSUKE'S MINE SO BACK OFF YOU OTHER FANGIRLS!!!!!!!!! D:<
*hisses and bares fangs like a kitty, XD*
YosukeHanamurasLOVE 2 years ago
.......It's o-kaaaay. just take a deep breath. I'm pretty sure he's all yours.
aria0ft3hs0u1 2 years ago 4
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Ehehehe, sorry about that outburst..... <:D
I'm huge fangirl obviously, LMAO XD
*blushes*
YosukeHanamurasLOVE 2 years ago
It's okay. I'm as big of a fan of Ryoji from persona 3 as you are of Yosuke. :-)
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aria0ft3hs0u1 2 years ago
I cannot see Rise and Kanji together... I think that Souji fits more... and Naoto with Kanji... u know...
goldsaint89 2 years ago
Yeah, I c your point. I mean, Rise is the lovers arcana for Souji, and Naoto is fortune.
aria0ft3hs0u1 2 years ago
yeah, I got a lot of pictures of Souji with Naoto thou, and they look good together... but still... I think Rise is the best girl for him.
(I have a hillarious pic where the MC is with Naoto, he is taking her socks off and she is almost naked, dressed like a schoolgirl. And Dojima is entering the room with the letter for Souji, he is looking at them with a drop in his forehead, LOL)
goldsaint89 2 years ago
Kanji is afraid of this, so he uses the fact that he liked Naoto when he thought she was a guy to try and convince himself--and others--that he's straight so he'll be accepted.
It's why he was begging Naoto to show up on the beauty pageant, and stops even pretending to like her after she won. He wanted to see her as a girl and at her best so he can convince himself that he's NOT gay. When he sees her, he realizes he can never be attracted to a woman and just gives up.
SeiryuSuboshisan 2 years ago
Naoto shows NO romantic interest in Kanji whatsoever.
Even when Kanji BEGGED her to go to the beauty pageant, she still refuses and pretty much no-one could convince her to go. If she liked him, she would say something like, "Even you? Fine, I'll do it." or another phrase along those lines.
She doesn't. She yells at him and refuses fervently to do it, even when he continues to pester her.
SeiryuSuboshisan 2 years ago
Naoto and Kanji would make the worst couple in that game.
Considering he acts like a delinquent, prefers MEN and has absolutely no clue about women...
Naoto needs someone who is sensitive to her feelings, law-abiding, patient and can make her feel that her gender isn't a barrier to what she can accomplish. She needs someone to help convince her that being a girl isn't that bad, because it's obvious she detests the fact she's a girl and she needs a person who wouldn't prefer her as a guy.
SeiryuSuboshisan 2 years ago