About faith afther holocaust

[stevethatguy]

@bluewren2 So... It sounds like you're agreeing that the Torah/Bible/Qu'ran are fiction. The problem is that people treat these books as if they're infallible and inerrant, which is patently false. It also separates morality from questions of real human suffering. Instead of dealing with real moral issues in the United States we're presently worrying about a non-issue like gay marriage. The Catholic church is teaching AIDS-ridden Africa that condoms are a sin and worse than AIDS.

[bluewren2]

What exactly do you mean? Story telling isn't a lie it was a way to make sense of the mystery of life and a culture to live by, Do you really think that all the scientific study of our present society has explained the mystery ?Personally I think it has increased it.

[bluewren2]

And do you really think that modern man has  proven anything that is better than the stories told to develop a culture and set of morals and principles to live by.Victor Frankl is a man who lived though hell and came out the other side of his personal crucible with the power to help others and with faith in life love and God . He is my kind of human being ----thank you very much.

[stevethatguy]

@bluewren2 What nonsense am I talking exactly? I know storytelling was important, especially when people didn't have explanations for things they needed to comprehend to conquer their fear of the unknown.

All people are storytellers. The Jews just established a culture around their stories that has survived and gave rise to Christianity and Islam.

The Holocaust is well-documented. We have pictures of the mass-graves and the emaciation of the camps. The Germans actually, insanely, kept records.

[bluewren2]

@stevethatguy So what?

[Buick59]

What a great man.

[mugsmeans]

i love the fact that Frankly does not see himself as a victim. This great concept about unconditional faith, he kept his faith strong despite everything that happened to him.

[Omega3chimp]

so did Hitler wont to kill the Jews because of a religious thing or a racial thing,because in school they say it was a racial thing but this guy just looks white.

[TheHiddenMenace]

to understand the fake WW2 holocaust one must first understand the fake biblical Exodus story. Judaism exists because of the many fantasy atrocity stories that the jewish planners have invented such as The Exodus, Fall of Jerusalem and The Holocaust. Read online the featured article "Doubting The Story Of The Exodus" in which even well-known jews such as rabbi David Wolpe and professor Ze'ev Herzog admitted that The Exodus story was only a fantasy. The jews are the masters of The Great Lie.

[stevethatguy]

@TheHiddenMenace Of course Exodus is fiction. So is the vast majority of the Torah, the Bible, and the Koran. Religious scripture is all about creating a method of control over people. The Jews may have had a Great Lie, but control of that lie has been stolen and ran with by Jesus and Mohammed.

The Holocaust on the other hand, that's no lie. That's history. It's bigotry that was marketed and carried out to the fullest. It's the tragedy that sets the bar for all other tragedies.

[bluewren2]

@stevethatguy You talk a lot of nonsense.

[bluewren2]

@stevethatguy You talk a lot of nonsense You know, story telling was the way of life for the ancients to express and try to understand truths,.Scientific disecting came much later. And yes you are right Jews are great story tellers I think because they have an uncanny knack of understanding people.I think too some did embellish the holucost not all felt the brunt of it,But certainly too many did.

[bluewren2]

@TheHiddenMenace are you serious?

[emblemOFbeing]

I like some of Frankl's ideas but this just seems to affirm some of Dennett's arguments about evolution and religion -- sounds like a kind of uber-theo-natural selection to me.

[tripicch]

Logoterapia de Viktor Frankl, a única abordagem verdadeiramente integral do Homem eternamente contemporânea.

Adalberto Tripicchio - São Paulo - Brasil

[turnabuoni]

it´s not a good recording,but what he says is truly amazing!viktor frankl is a hero,I am sure his books are still inspiring and helping people from all over the world!

[DavidSternMusic]

What a demonstration of a great man who could endure the Nazi death camps and still affirm God's goodness.