these guys were so fast, they could do any move and hurt you bad. hands were like stone, now days guys have 5lbs of hand wraps and gloves and bones are brittle from burgers and pizza.
for those of you who have an interest in Nakayama, check out Steve Ubl.He was a personal student of Nakayama's and is an excellent karateka...problem is, there are only 2 very short videos on Youtube featuring him that I know of, but impressive nonetheless
The answer to your question is that this is a demonstration, so exact form with the pulling hand is shown. In a kumite situation, of course you would have a guard up. The pulling hand is extremely important for connection of the technique, so it should made every time in the beginning.
I don't practice Karate, but when we practice we attack and defend from a normal standing position. It covers a lot, to build speed to go from unguarded to attack or defense, to deal with the element of surprise or being caught off guard, to confuse an attacker thinking you're not ready, to become more aware of the shifting of bodies yours and opponents and much more. Of course this is in a training setting, once in a real fight, guard changes depends what you're trying to do...
The fact that you get your facts from a TV show makes me wonder how much you have actually studied martial arts. Haha anyways the truth is when a true karateka fights, they have thier guard up and ready, but during practice and demo, they bring it to thier ribs to show that power generates from the center, not from the elbow. Boxers bunch the same way, really. (Keep in mind this video is old-school and traditional.)
1) in that show the different ma master had a different size, wight, ecc. 2) only the tkd man and the boxer have used their wight to punch, the other two not 3) the karate man was a fake, that wasn't a "karate punch" 4)a good karate-ka, try to power up his knoukles, so punch without gloves someone have another effect. 5) in ma there ins't a better punch, only a better puncher
@jesuskopp Not trying to just discredit it here, and I'm not attacking boxers. However, it is simply a show and there is no guarantee that each example they brought in had the highest degree of technique. Boxers certainly produce massive amounts of power. Though I think you'll find that 1. In karate and other martial arts, power of technique constantly increases even to old age (especially then) while in boxing, being that it's a sport, one can only box for about 10 years max
@ChinuraretaKajitsu martial arts on the other hand are a lifelong practice and 2. karate and other martial arts also focus on applying their techniques to vital points, boxers simply try to get as many hits in as possible, I don't care if you are 6'7'' and weigh over 300 lbs, if you are struck in a vital spot, the throat, solar plexus, top of the spine, groin, or temple, only to name a few, especially with a refined technique gained through martial arts,
@ChinuraretaKajitsu you will have quite some trouble withstanding it. Even huge muscled giants have to breath and receive blood flow.
As far as your comment that karateka attack with their guard down, this is simply not the case. In Shotokan at least, one is admonished if leaving their guard down while attacking. Again as I said in an earlier post, the pulling is necessary is basics to learn to connect. In basics you will not guard, pulling hand is most important,
@ChinuraretaKajitsu but in comination drills or sparring, a guard hand is a necessity, unless you are trying to draw your opponent in, but that is dangerous territory because it must be intentional, if you are simply lazy and your guard hand drops, you are wide open
@jesuskopp it's not high up by the rib but more by the belt line, and it's necessary because when you make that motion it uses that back muscle that is beneath the arm, eventually through much practice that muscle develops and one learns to connect that without the pulling hand, but the pulling hand is necessary to train that muscle
This is a demonstration, so exact form is shown. It is necessary in the beginning to make pulling hand for connection of the technique. At more advanced levels one learns to connect even without the pulling hand, then it can be eliminated and a guard can be used, but it is essential in most demonstrations to show exact form. Hope that this clears it up for you.
Ah the master..he is so technicaly exact in his movements. The Osaka sensei of the previous days. I hope the JKA of today still would measure up to his standards
i ask out of interest, not criticism; wot is the difference between a mawashi tsuki & a kagi tsuki, other than a mawashi tsuki looks like a swing more than str8 from hip?
only problem i hav with this is that nowadays, particularly in the west, a hook is more likely 2 b used by the attacker than a str8 punch, & from studying karate and tryin to apply technique, ther is a lot of hook defence techniques, they r just over-lookd
I don't think these techniques are illogical... in the old days, you conditioned your nukite technique by driving your hand into a pail of sand, then eventually gravel. A conditioned hand can provide a pretty shocking impact!
This film is a great find - thanks for posting it!
Nice to see this historical material. A lot of the techniques shown however are illogical. Nukite to the chest for example will only hurt your fingers as the sternum is a very strong and flexible bonestructure that protects the heart.
i also think that this bone is pretty strong. however, it might be useful to hit kyusho, and the sternum has many.
also, if you have a strong nukite, (i don´t i´m a guitar player, 1st dan shito ryu, but my sensei DOES, 5th dan.. he can do tame shiwari with nukite) you can aim it right at the lower part of the sternum, there is a little cartilage. (it will leave your opponent without breath and it´s going to HURT :P) it´s not that illogical, but that´s me.
I agree with you, its not ilogical if you have a trained nukite and hit vital points. You don´t need to use to much strengh to cause damage, you have to apply the technique correctly.
If you do a lot of work with your hand like manual labor like fishing and farming you develop very strong fingers. That plus the right training and finger tip strikes can be very effective especially at soft tissue targets. Compared to people in modern times we are on average physically weaker then then the average person from say 100 years ago.
010man, you say that nukite to the chest is illogical...depends on what part of the chest you're attacking. First off, nukite is designed for soft tissue areas - base of throat, underneath jaw, solar plexus, maybe even groin or armpits. No sensible karateka would attack the sternum with nukite. Second, one would properly toughen their fingers first via finger pushups, dexterity exercises, etc. But I agree, nukite to sternum is not wise, that's why no sensei worth learning from teaches that.
these guys were so fast, they could do any move and hurt you bad. hands were like stone, now days guys have 5lbs of hand wraps and gloves and bones are brittle from burgers and pizza.
tonyvalente 1 year ago
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GeoStratocaster 1 year ago
for those of you who have an interest in Nakayama, check out Steve Ubl.He was a personal student of Nakayama's and is an excellent karateka...problem is, there are only 2 very short videos on Youtube featuring him that I know of, but impressive nonetheless
hazor777 1 year ago
Why can't more HD, technicolour, dolby stereo modern day vids be this informative? Come on guys. We have the technology. What's keeping you?
MrTerryKay 1 year ago
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Ronin6575 1 year ago
Жёсткие удары
vorbescpopular 1 year ago
These R some good clean moves that these guys R doing. Rock on! Thanx 4 posting. (-:
HalfCracker4life 1 year ago
Excellent deomonstration
ttlyADDICTED2BASS 2 years ago
Is this sensei Funakoshi?
SPrainbow 2 years ago
No, this is Nakayama, Funakoshi's student
Agam17 2 years ago
Is this Okinawan Karate?
Ivegotwo 2 years ago
This is JKA Shotokan; Nakayama Sensei was the Chief Instructor for the JKA for many years, from the 1950's until his death in the late 1987.
mallardgreen 2 years ago
Of course!
shotojojo1986 2 years ago
OSS!!!
alagohell1 2 years ago
why do karateka attack with their guard down (stepping forward reverse/straite punch)?
It seems to be it is best to attack with guard up.
jesuskopp 2 years ago
The answer your looking for is not apparent at the moment of impact but rather the movement leading from guard to impact.
Great question and i hope the answer strikes you soon,
ChillingWithAGrin 2 years ago
its becuz this demostration is not practical for real fights
annuocao555 2 years ago
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jesuskopp 2 years ago
The answer to your question is that this is a demonstration, so exact form with the pulling hand is shown. In a kumite situation, of course you would have a guard up. The pulling hand is extremely important for connection of the technique, so it should made every time in the beginning.
ChinuraretaKajitsu 2 years ago
I appriciate your honest answer.
I think parts of it are practical.
The show Fight Science showed that a boxer produces the most amount of force from his punch.
This has made me wonder why karateka attack with their guard down!?
jesuskopp 2 years ago
I don't practice Karate, but when we practice we attack and defend from a normal standing position. It covers a lot, to build speed to go from unguarded to attack or defense, to deal with the element of surprise or being caught off guard, to confuse an attacker thinking you're not ready, to become more aware of the shifting of bodies yours and opponents and much more. Of course this is in a training setting, once in a real fight, guard changes depends what you're trying to do...
sotomamoto 2 years ago
The fact that you get your facts from a TV show makes me wonder how much you have actually studied martial arts. Haha anyways the truth is when a true karateka fights, they have thier guard up and ready, but during practice and demo, they bring it to thier ribs to show that power generates from the center, not from the elbow. Boxers bunch the same way, really. (Keep in mind this video is old-school and traditional.)
LoganBruneau 2 years ago
1) in that show the different ma master had a different size, wight, ecc. 2) only the tkd man and the boxer have used their wight to punch, the other two not 3) the karate man was a fake, that wasn't a "karate punch" 4)a good karate-ka, try to power up his knoukles, so punch without gloves someone have another effect. 5) in ma there ins't a better punch, only a better puncher
DaveTigre90 2 years ago
@jesuskopp Not trying to just discredit it here, and I'm not attacking boxers. However, it is simply a show and there is no guarantee that each example they brought in had the highest degree of technique. Boxers certainly produce massive amounts of power. Though I think you'll find that 1. In karate and other martial arts, power of technique constantly increases even to old age (especially then) while in boxing, being that it's a sport, one can only box for about 10 years max
ChinuraretaKajitsu 1 year ago
@ChinuraretaKajitsu martial arts on the other hand are a lifelong practice and 2. karate and other martial arts also focus on applying their techniques to vital points, boxers simply try to get as many hits in as possible, I don't care if you are 6'7'' and weigh over 300 lbs, if you are struck in a vital spot, the throat, solar plexus, top of the spine, groin, or temple, only to name a few, especially with a refined technique gained through martial arts,
ChinuraretaKajitsu 1 year ago
@ChinuraretaKajitsu you will have quite some trouble withstanding it. Even huge muscled giants have to breath and receive blood flow.
As far as your comment that karateka attack with their guard down, this is simply not the case. In Shotokan at least, one is admonished if leaving their guard down while attacking. Again as I said in an earlier post, the pulling is necessary is basics to learn to connect. In basics you will not guard, pulling hand is most important,
ChinuraretaKajitsu 1 year ago
@ChinuraretaKajitsu but in comination drills or sparring, a guard hand is a necessity, unless you are trying to draw your opponent in, but that is dangerous territory because it must be intentional, if you are simply lazy and your guard hand drops, you are wide open
Again, hope this clears up a lot
ChinuraretaKajitsu 1 year ago
@ChinuraretaKajitsu "the pulling is necessary is basics to learn to connect."
Why is it necessary to bring the hand to the rib to learn to connect?
jesuskopp 1 year ago
@jesuskopp it's not high up by the rib but more by the belt line, and it's necessary because when you make that motion it uses that back muscle that is beneath the arm, eventually through much practice that muscle develops and one learns to connect that without the pulling hand, but the pulling hand is necessary to train that muscle
ChinuraretaKajitsu 1 year ago
So, you saying the pulling exercize develops your lat mucles?
jesuskopp 1 year ago
This is a demonstration, so exact form is shown. It is necessary in the beginning to make pulling hand for connection of the technique. At more advanced levels one learns to connect even without the pulling hand, then it can be eliminated and a guard can be used, but it is essential in most demonstrations to show exact form. Hope that this clears it up for you.
ChinuraretaKajitsu 2 years ago
osu!
MasOyama10dan 2 years ago
nakayama is da bomb
brinnonvallere 2 years ago
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acerwk 2 years ago
So what style do you study, and how long?
deek77 2 years ago
muy bueno lastima que se valla perdiendo la esencia de lo mas puro
leisumlum 2 years ago
respect a tous ces grands maitre qui on invente le karaté,mais quelle evolution ca n a plus rien a voir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
belovac 3 years ago
Great preformance of the techniques!
5/5
AlucardOrg 3 years ago 2
This was.... top quality stuff... Makes me happy to be a karateka! So rich with technique, tradition, style, skill, and training methods!
farorin 3 years ago
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acerwk 3 years ago
these blocking techniques work very well.
especially if you remind your attacker to stop his punch a foot or two short of your body.
inglishspeeker 3 years ago
the attacker does not punch short. if you watch again closely, you'll see that the defender steps back to evade the attack, then counters it.
korch06 3 years ago
That's why its a demonstration. Why don't you do one?
njtr 3 years ago
Very nice style .
Sadakomata 3 years ago
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bull-shyte
tigre777blanco 3 years ago
there is a reason why this man took over the Shotokan system. he was top notch
wayoftheforesthand 3 years ago 7
really marvelous perfection of technique!
madgecic 4 years ago 2
Ah the master..he is so technicaly exact in his movements. The Osaka sensei of the previous days. I hope the JKA of today still would measure up to his standards
christianbrecht 4 years ago
i ask out of interest, not criticism; wot is the difference between a mawashi tsuki & a kagi tsuki, other than a mawashi tsuki looks like a swing more than str8 from hip?
only problem i hav with this is that nowadays, particularly in the west, a hook is more likely 2 b used by the attacker than a str8 punch, & from studying karate and tryin to apply technique, ther is a lot of hook defence techniques, they r just over-lookd
jamboni 5 years ago
Por que se para cuando empiezan las patadas?
chavalote 5 years ago
I don't think these techniques are illogical... in the old days, you conditioned your nukite technique by driving your hand into a pail of sand, then eventually gravel. A conditioned hand can provide a pretty shocking impact!
This film is a great find - thanks for posting it!
angelzee 5 years ago 2
Nice to see this historical material. A lot of the techniques shown however are illogical. Nukite to the chest for example will only hurt your fingers as the sternum is a very strong and flexible bonestructure that protects the heart.
010man 5 years ago
i also think that this bone is pretty strong. however, it might be useful to hit kyusho, and the sternum has many.
also, if you have a strong nukite, (i don´t i´m a guitar player, 1st dan shito ryu, but my sensei DOES, 5th dan.. he can do tame shiwari with nukite) you can aim it right at the lower part of the sternum, there is a little cartilage. (it will leave your opponent without breath and it´s going to HURT :P) it´s not that illogical, but that´s me.
insaneguitarfreak 4 years ago
I agree with you, its not ilogical if you have a trained nukite and hit vital points. You don´t need to use to much strengh to cause damage, you have to apply the technique correctly.
emarchosky 4 years ago
If you do a lot of work with your hand like manual labor like fishing and farming you develop very strong fingers. That plus the right training and finger tip strikes can be very effective especially at soft tissue targets. Compared to people in modern times we are on average physically weaker then then the average person from say 100 years ago.
sixyears 3 years ago 7
010man, you say that nukite to the chest is illogical...depends on what part of the chest you're attacking. First off, nukite is designed for soft tissue areas - base of throat, underneath jaw, solar plexus, maybe even groin or armpits. No sensible karateka would attack the sternum with nukite. Second, one would properly toughen their fingers first via finger pushups, dexterity exercises, etc. But I agree, nukite to sternum is not wise, that's why no sensei worth learning from teaches that.
deek77 2 years ago
Awesome, thanks!
R0CKY44 5 years ago