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  • i flagged this for promoting terrorism

  • why exactly do we not have the " BATHURST " clubby here in Australia? you know, where Bathurst actually is.....

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  • @Mrjonnie1000

    The vehicle seen here is an Australian made Holden Commodore, rebadged as a Vauxhall for the UK market. It is a rear wheel drive vehicle. The Vauxhalls you are accustomed to driving are some kind of front wheel drive euro shitbox.

    Only front wheel drive vehicles have torque steer.

  • Ha !! Football, Meat Pies & Holden Cars !! 

  • @79HZGTS

    hahahahahahaha lay the law down

  • GM (chev) america own vauxhal ya dumb fucks...they are imported to australia then rebadged as a holden...do ya home work...spose ya telling me there engines are built here in australia too are ya....chev motor out of the corvett gen 3 and now the 6.0 litre

  • @TheNatho,

    You are a total fuckwit. You don't have a fucking clue and all your information is false.

    The VE Commodore (on which the car in this video is based) is manufactured in Australia by Holden. It is a Zeta platform car, designed by Holden. There has NEVER been a Zeta platform car manufactured by Vauxhall, or Opel.

    The engine in this car is not a "Chev" engine. It is a GM LS series engine, manufactured by at the GM Corp engine plant in Canada. Chevrolet no longer build V8 engines.

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  • @TheNatho

    "they are imported to australia then rebadged as a holden."

    LOl @ the fool.

    GM Holden is GM's global rear wheel drive platform hub.

    The new Corvette was designed in Australia & is based on a Holden platform.

    The "Vauxhall" in this vid is a rebadged export of the Australian designed & manufactured Holden Commodore.

    Sure, It's the souped up Holden Special Vehicles version, but it's all Aussie.

    The engine is a US GM sourced unit though.

  • moron,there designed & built here in aussie ,then exported to pommy land & rebadged as vauxhalls or pontiacs in the states

  • holden hav not built a car since the VK...they are all vauxhall's with the holden badge on them.....HOLDEN SUX ARSE...

  • @TheNatho,

    Vauxhall never put a V8 engine in any RWD V-platform car. Holden was the only car manufacturer in the world to do that.

    The VE Commodore is Zeta platform, 100% Australian designed. Vauxhall and Opel have never built a Zeta platform car.

    You don't know what you are talking about. So fuck off now, OK?

  • @TheNatho its actualy the other way round mate, vauhals are all holdens or opel's with vauxhal badges

  • umm so humour me as to how you come to that conclusion mate? haha why do you think it's called the bathurst? couldn't have been because bathurst is a premier race in Australia? nah course not you ignorant pom i'm guessin?

  • You didn't sort anything out.

    I don't know where you got those numbers from, but they are not the official HSV/FPV figures.

    I don't give a fuck what you and your mates did in some backstreet last Saturday night when the R8 pulled up beside you at the lights.

    HSV puts the Clubsport R8 at 4.96 seconds 0-100km/h. You got that wrong, so as far as I am concerned, the rest of your post is bullshit also.

  • @79HZGTS Oh you went to the HSV website for your figures, that explains why you're so wrong.

    Unlike you, I quoted independantly tested speeds and times and got the actual performance figures for the vehicles, not the manufacturers "claimed" figures which are marketing bullshit designed to sell their cars.

    Seriously, HSV must have speed tested the car down a thirty degree incline to achieve their results.

    I'm sorry if the TRUTH disagrees with you, but tough shit, read them and weep.

  • @AUSSIEDAVEROCKS,

    You are only quoting the independent test that gave the results that YOU wanted to see. There are plenty of others that paint a different story.

    I remember Top Gear Aust put them up against each other at Wakefield park. They were so close that they couldn't tell which car was faster.

    I am not a one-eyed Holden fan, I think the BA, BF and FGs are very good cars.

    The biggest problem that I have with Fords is that they are mostly driven by fuckwit Ford fans, like you.

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  • cunt

  • hsv is owned by a British guy and at the start it was his and larry perkins who made hsv but that was 20 years ago. so there are new australian engineers .

  • lol i hate the pontiac g8 americans think there driving all american muscle cars but really ita a holden commodore MADE IN AUSTRALIA with some pontiac badges and a different front bumper and same with the gto

  • @helipro555 Actualy the G8 didnt last that long here. So most who have em know good and well where they came from. Not to mention it was the marketing ploy, and every dealer who sold them let you know where it was made. LOL? what I hate is holden aussies who think holden is all australian when they know good and well its owned by GM! How long it will last will be decided in Detroit and not Australia..... lol ,now aussie cunt!

  • @Beeba1 well actually every one knows its gm at a holden dealer BOOM gm sign right in your face at every dealer and well the commodore is australian and always has been not so much hsv its done by a british man but it shouldn't be rebaged as and american car or a british car because the fact of the matter is the commodore,G8,vxr8 there all australian just like americans have cadilacs yes another gm company i know dont bother being a smart ass.

  • @Beeba1 keep telling yourself that. Bottom line is it operates as a whole seperate company and given that Australia has a much stronger economy than the US I can't holden going anywhere anytime soon. Australia was one of only 3 western economies not to fall into recession during the recent GFC something the USA is still struggling to pull itself out of. Even if GM fell over tomorrow GMH would still be cruising along quite happily without you lot. Btw the use of the word cunt has no affect on us.

  • @taipan185 Sorry to burst your bubble mate, but if GM North America went under, what is Holden going to put under their hoods?

    GM supplies the motors and transmissions to Holden, not to mention the fully imported Holdens, so they would be screwed without GM's backing.

    Don't let your aussie pride stop you understanding just how dependant Holden is on GM for it's operations.

    Yes Holden is a seperate corporate entity from GM but it's still a PARTNERSHIP and if GM goes Holden probably will go.

  • @AUSSIEDAVEROCKS I notice you have a WA police badge on your channel. If you are a cop which part of WA are you in? I grew up in the Pilbara at Paraburdoo before moving to QLD.... these days though I live in the USA.

  • @AUSSIEDAVEROCKS,

    The HFV6 used in the VZ-VE Commodores was a joint effort design between Holden and Cadillac. All of these engines that are used in cars for the domestic market are manufactured in Melbourne. The manual transmissions used behind these engines are manufactured by Aisin, who have no corporate connection to GM at all.

    GM does not supply all engines and transmissions used by Holden, only some of them.

  • @79HZGTS Yeah I know Holden do mate but that's not to say Holden wouldn't be in serious trouble without GM's backing.

    I'm proud of our aussie cars but I also know they wouldn't be as good as they are without our friends in the US helping out with money for their R&D and suppling some of the parts for them.

    Americans are not our rivals, they are our partners and should be given some respect as such.

  • @AUSSIEDAVEROCKS,

    Oh, and the LS series engines are manufactured at the GM engine factory in St Catharines, Ontario, Canada. Not in Mexico as you claim, incessantly.

    It is the Tremec transmissions that are manufactured in Mexico.

  • @AUSSIEDAVEROCKS,

    And I am not your mate.

    Stop calling me "mate".

  • @Beeba1 Wrong.

    GM North America can cut Holden loose from GM but it can't just shut them down because it doesn't have the authority to do that.

    If GM did cut Holden loose, then Holden would be free to source from another vehicle manufacturer their engines and transmissions.

    It would hurt Holden if they did, but GM needs Holden as much if not more, than Holden needs GM.

    The US has our aussie Commodores with the G8 but not our aussie Ford Falcons which is even better than the Commodore.

  • so a pontiac and vauxhall is the same as the holden ???

  • @MikeDENDLESS The Vauxhall and Pontiac are based off the holden commodore. All them are built in Australia. The only thing on my Pontiac G8 GT that is American is the tranny. The rest is Australian built by GM Holden.

  • lol I LOVE THE HSV MATE NOT A VAUXHALL :P

  • lol, poms have still got the e-series 1. HSV already up to E3. Poms should import the new one instead. hsv.com.au

  • pontiac g8 is nicer the hood scoops

  • damn nice holden

  • Check out : laurie Sultana Charters > on YouTube, no stuffing around, less than 2 minutes new $600 tyres in smoke and popped; 850hp up front helps plus not a young bloke and knows what he is doing...you blowem away Laurie

    Good way to spend June long weekend Sat. nite if in FNQ, I will go next yr for 3rd year in row of this event.....well done Charters Towers well done 2010

  • love thevxr over the pontiac anyday

  • @pennygal435 its the same car thats a g8 gt

  • a bathurst we dont even get too see this walkinshaw model and we designed the thing

  • A stock clubby is actually 325Kw, not 307, they were 307 back in 2006 when first released with the VE range.

  • i know the bloke who has number 2 bathurst s fuckin quick

  • just watched a red vxr8 on the tube same model same number plates which ones the ringer any one else seen this?

  • get a toyota

  • i dont care wot u guys think, my patrol would squash ya cars

  • My Caterpillar D9 would turn your Patrol into a pie tray.

  • My D11RCD would do the same to your d9

  • That it would.

  • @franktbird my apache war helecopter would destroy all of your machinery!!

  • it has a chevy v8

  • The LS2 engine is not a "Chevy" V8. It is a GM corporate engine. It is not manufactured by Chevrolet.

  • yes correct, GM own chevy and its their R&D team that bult the LS block and yes GM may have had input on the head for certain vehicles.

  • Oh, now you are a GM expert also?

    You have not got a fucking clue what you are talking about. You are talking out of your arse.

    Now fuck off.

  • thats just a rebaged hsv clubsport R8 moddified by walkinshaw. lol piece of shit really, U poms and euro people should check out Ford australias F6 typhoon its a wrx, evo, M3 and 911 eater

  • You are kidding, right?

    Your piece of shit Typhoon is 107 kW less than the car in this video.

    Even the HSV Clubsport R8 without a supercharger is 15 kW more than the Typhoon.

    Get your hand off your dick.

  • look the r8 is fuckin shit a typhone done up would flog the fucking shit out of ya holden faggot ass, eat 10 dicks shove 10 up ya ass and use ya brain before ya open ya smartass useless head, fucking stupid wanker

  • you dont know NOTHING about cars, lol ammature

  • search ford f6 typhoon vs r8 ya dumb cunt

  • Your Ford Typhoon is a heap of shit. Get over it.

  • Thanks, for the advice.

    I searched "Ford Typhoon". I found a whole lot of other Ford wankers telling each other how good the Typhoons were.

    I don't think it changed my mind.

  • when u think about the extra 2 cylinders + the supercharger , 107 kW is pretty sad.

  • Think about what you just said, dickhead.

    The extra two cylinders in the VXR8 produce more power than any two of the cylinders in the Typhoon.

    Typhoon: 310kW turbocharged, 6 cylinder = 51.7 kW per cylinder.

    VXR8 Bathurst: 417kW supercharged, 8 cylinder = 52.1 kW per cylinder.

    What else you got, fuckwit?

  • look buddy, the falcon would win in reality, get out of your box

  • I am not interested in the results of some race that your mates had in the back streets of Campbelltown on a Saturday night.

    Look at the official 0-100km times. There is FUCK-ALL difference between the HSV GTS and the F6 310 Typhoon.

  • In other words, theoretically, if you remove the additional two cylinders off the VXR8 Bathurst, it will reduce the power by 104.2 kW.

    The remaining 6 cylinders will produce 312.8 kW.

    That is still more power than the Typhoon.

  • mr bf falcon, i have blowen off r8 clubbys in my XR6T

  • I can believe that.

    The VT R8 Clubsport was only 250kW, but that is a 10 year old car now.

  • @79HZGTS Sorry but my FPV F6 310 will beat a HSV R8 even if the other driver can drive it properly.

    I'm a aussie Ford MAN and I will admit Holden had Ford beaten until the B-Series Falcons came out.

    Since then Holden have been constantly losing ground while Fords are only getting better.

    Now don't be a jerk because Holden is now losing to Ford and carry on like a sore loser.

    Times have changed mate, so get over it and stop talking like a pathetic Holden fanboy.

  • 79 hzgts, the clubby has 307kw in stock form, and the typhoon 310, i really think you need to pull your head out of ur ass, and the typhoon with $2000 or even less worth of mods will make 410kw at the motor and more linear torque then ur "holden"

  • Oh, I'm sorry.

    I thought we were talking about the Clubsport R8 model that has been in production for the last 2 years. You know, the one that has the 317 kW engine.

  • The HSV GTS is 325 kW.

  • I think this discussion should be restricted to stock vehicles.

    $2000 worth of modifications will make a big difference to both cars.

  • fuckinghellcunt is a bullshit artist. Everything he says is a product of his own imagination.

    Don't take any notice of him.

  • Hmmm, yes.

  • @79HZGTS Okay, lets sort this out once and for all.

    HSV Clubsport R8 : LS3 6.2L V8 @ 317kW / 550Nm (410 lb·ft) Torque. 0-100Kph @5.1 secs. / Standing 400 m (1/4 mile): 13.4 secs

    FPV F6 310 : Barra 4.0L I6 @310kW / 565Nm (417 ft·lbf) Torque. 0-100Kph @4.9 secs. / Standing 400 m (1/4 mile): 12.9 secs

    BTW, 2009 HSV VEII GTS - LS3 6.2L V8 @325kw / 550Nm (410 lb·ft) - 5.1 secs, 13.4secs

    You don't even talk the torque, much less walk the walk buddy.

  • Can someone please explain why the Poms and the Americans change the name of the Holden to Vauxall and Pontiac. When we get a Corvette or Mustang we don't call them Holden Corvette or Falcon Mustangs. If we get a Vauxall car we dont then re bage it and call it a Holden , then again Vauxall have never produce anything worth driven so why would you put your name on it.

    Maybe thats the answer , no one can produce a car for the price that good , so they claim it as theirs. Seems stupid to rebadge.

  • Brian Dewy...the early Holden Toranas were Vauxhall Vivas, the early Holden Commodores were Opel Rekords and the Holden Astra is a Vauxhall Astra.

  • @MrDaveLogan True how none of them were rebadged Holdens they were left with the trashes Vauxall image they came with. None of them were V8's not featured triple carbies either. And as for the Astras they are just universal trash for any country. So like I said why rebage these carsjust call them Holden Commodores as thats what they are. Vauxall do not produce this body shape whatsoever.

  • @MrDaveLogan, the difference is that the early Toranas were not a rebadged import, they were built by Holden in Australia. Actually, the HA was not even badged as a Holden Torana, it was stlll called Vauxhall Viva even though it was made in Australia by Holden. The 4-door HB Torana was made in Australia and then exported to the UK to be rebadged as Vauxhall Viva.

    The early Commodores were also made in Australia, and structually, they were not exactly the same as the Opel models.

  • Vauxhall uk version of Holen dickhead

  • GM - Smoothest ride in the World

  • love it dude.......

    wish to see a vedio that will beat a mustang

    will of course it will beat the fucking ford'd products

  • buddy the mustang is the least of ur worries, have a look at the new range coming out, now fpv base ford in general, the ford gt would leave holdens for dead > assuming drivers were of equal quality

  • @sfinas91 ford gt beating a holden. talk typhoon to beat holden or dont speak tool

  • gm give ford permission to make the mustang

    :D

  • DESI RED

  • in the U.S. this is the New Pontiac G8 right?

  • Yep. You bought 60,000 from us if my memory serves me correctly

  • hang on a sec what the fuckk there is an orange one the same with the same number plate DE5IRED whats goin onn

  • Holden built the 5L V8 back in the day and i dont see y Holden wont just build their own V8 today........ most likely the tossers from GM not allowing them........... they are scared of Holden being better in everyway.......

  • It's probably easier and a hell of a lot cheaper to use the Chevy V8 and design their own V6 engines

  • SO you got a lemon... bad luck... surely you are not silly enough to think they are all that bad? Which of course they are not.

    Whatever you buy, you may get a lemon. There's always the chance, no matter what you buy.

  • You should of checked the stats on it, 1 in 7 gets replaced. they dont make as many so they dont have as much feedback to fix problems

  • i like the pontiac front end a bit better.

    rip. pontiac 1926-2010.

    dont quote me on the years, not to positive about that. are vauxhauls left hand driver or right? i would like to import one to the states

  • ummm its right hand driver as it is made for Britain but im sure u can get left hand variants as its exported to parts of Europe!

    I live in AUS, so here it is a Holden and this is where thye are made, so if your gonna import one, import it from Aus, get right from the manufacturure. (then u can be the only (maybe) owner of a holden in ur state or area)

  • its right hand.. look at the pictures

  • they get them how australia sends them there all vauxhall does is put the badge on

  • Yes it is a Commodore. The Monaro is the 2 door. Bathurst is the name of the town, Mount Panorama is the circuit. Mazda had some hot factory FD3S RX-7s also called Bathurst from back-to-back victories in the 12 hour there.

  • its been rumored that holden spent nearly a 100 million dollars developing this car

  • Actually it was one billion dollars and it's not a rumour.

  • wot sif they woukd have gone broke

  • Just do a Google search.

  • ..this car looks to much like the new lancer. by mitsubishi

  • r u efin high this car is like twice as big and looks nothing alike

  • im just saying it has distinct. body styling it looks close to a lancer.

  • it looks nothing like a fucking lancer. completely different you either have never seen one in real life or are on some good gear. you cant compare this to some heap of shit car which looks like it was designed by a jap comic magazine designer. those lancers are plain fucking ugly.

  • its not a commodore its a monaro by holden australia (originally) bathhurst is an australian race track

  • The Monaro is a two-door. The Commodore has four doors.

  • What are you talking about? You've got that all wrong. It was originally a Holden Commodore. Bathurst is an Australian racetrack but it's also part of the name of the car.

  • Was it original a Commodore ? They are all part of GM so who knows what it originally was ...... as for Holden they have nothing to do with Australia apart that they employ Aussies. All the profit goes back to GM ..... And if GM goes broke for real goodbye Holden :( ....

  • YES, it was originally a Commodore.

    I think Holden might still have a future without GM.

    You've misrepresented the relationship between Holden and Australia; as far as I know, the Commodore ('the' Australian car) is developed here and has been for a long time (as well as the ute). I would hardly say it has 'nothing to do with Australia apart that [sic] they employ Aussies'.

    NB: Sorry, Mount Panorama IS the racetrack, Bathurst is the city that surrounds it, and Bathurst 1000 is 'the race'.

  • thats y wen GM was goin down in the dumps HOLDEN pulled them out

  • bullshit the ameriican gov't bailed them out

  • Mate, Holden is way too small to pull them out. What Holden did was give them a ray of hope.

  • umm didnt GM go broke no so long ago...

    Holden thrived despite GMs downfall

  • thats because holden is differenet we do our own thing basical every person in australia has ownd a holden at one stage in there life thats why it thrives

    GM just helpd us in the early days

    we dnt need them thats why watever happens 2 them dosnt affect us

  • your right on the money there mate!!!..gm usa is not broke it is 60% gov owned!!..as for holden we cant get broke because the sales in australia,middle east,uk, new zealand are steady and strong!!!..as for the rest of the cunts that think they are, they can go get fucked most probably ford fans!!

  • Holden doesn't need GM? Tell me, is Holden going to sell cars with no engine and drive line? In case you haven't noticed, when it comes to commodores, it's all GM stuff from the states.

    Holden's since the 70's share a lot of the same parts as American GM built cars.

    Without GM USA, GM Holden can't survive in it's current format. Yes they can survive as they have smarter people at the top than GM USA had. Lets Hope GM USA survives, as I'd hate to see Holden's with Hyundai engines and the like.

  • lets really hope gm usa smartens up. they killed pontiac already. and just maybe holden starts off alone from now on with their very own engines and trannys etc. ill keep my fingers crossed and hope that one day i can go to an american dealership and pick up a Holden

  • Not really, GM already cut Holden loose in the mid nineties, a sort of sink or swim deal, that's why they are no longer GMH and are just plain old Holden. As for engines, if you'll recall Commodores had Nissan Skyline engines in them back in the '80's. If Holden went out on their own they could always source parts from somewhere.

  • The Nissan engine in the VL was a stop gap measure, good engine, but only until they could get a GM engine. The VN was back to a GM engine.

    Point I'm making is that I don't think any True Blue Aussie would like to see the base engine in Holden's top line cars, be a Toyota, Nissan on any other manufacturer other than GM. Holden can survive without GM USA, but it wouldn't be a shadow on it's former self in my view.

  • The RB30 Nissan engine was not just a "stop gap measure" by Holden.

    Holden had every intention to extend the use of the Nissan engine beyond the VL Commodore, but the value of the Australian dollar fell sharply against the Yen, so it became too expensive to buy engines from Japan.

    Holden have designed and manufactured more than 4 million engines over the last 27 years for export, mostly to South Korea and Europe.

  • I had heard different, but if that is true, that Holden wanted to carry on using the Nissan engine, I think that's pretty sad. I've owned quite a few Holden's but would never bye one that didn't have an Australian, or GM designed engine. It's just not a "real" Holden if it's powered by a Nissan engine.... in my point of view.

    Your other comments are full of good info... you are obviously knowledgeable about Holden... I guess 79HZGTS gives it away... lol

  • The HFV6 (Alloytec) engine that has been used in VZ and VE Commodores is the product of a joint effort by Holden and Cadillac. All of the V6 engines in VZ and VE Commodores are manufactured in Melbourne.

    Between 1974 and 1999, all V8 engines used by Holden were Holden's own design, manufactured in Australia. All 6 cylinder engines from 1948 to 1986 were Holden engines.

    The Holden 3 and 4-speed manual transmissions and most of the Trimatics were also made in Australia.

  • This car is the G8 from Pontiac and the commadore from holden (the origin of the body)

  • holden was the ones to design the car. They worked it from the ground up and because GM own holden pontiac released there rather ugly version in the states.

    this is an Australian car that has been marketed around from the the amazing responce it had when it was first released.

    quiet frankly the holden version is the best (not a fanboy lol)

    vauxhall had just rebadged it so it still looks the same but pontiac ruined the front. end.

  • too true, the g8 is shameful

  • Americans just like the looks of their cars as being more aggressive and gritty.

    no need to be critical of their preferences

  • No they're just used to ugly cars. The Commodore looked too good so they decided to mangle the front a bit for the American market.

  • the stripes dont suit it at all, they look incomplete

  • nice try youtube

  • Lovin' the red supercharger!

  • Over in Australia this car is called the W427, a rare and awesome car that celebrates Holden's greatness in producing cars and was designed in spirit of the Walkinshaw VL Commodore

  • no its not, the car above is a 6.2 litre supercharged by TWR with around 420kw. The W427 has a 7lt corvette z06 engine with around 375kw.

    However holden do have a car similar to the VXR8 bathurst called the 40 years GTS which is a 6.2 naturally aspirated with 317kw

  • You can buy almost the exact same car in Australia, you just get your standard Clubsport R8/GTS, you can send it it the Walkinshaw tuner in Victoria, and $15,000-20,000grand AUD later, you have the Bathurst S

  • in the us is called PONTIAC G8 its a little difrent but the same car

  • the g8 is built in Australia

  • nice car

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