the best example of the difference between a voice focused in the mask and one in the mouth is Journey's song Just the Same Way. when Perry comes in he is like a buzz saw thru Rolie's butter. can you explain how to dial in pharyngal contractions and what and why that would be something to do?
lifiting the soft pallet and the back of the tongue makes space in the mouth and the throat.
she says at :17 that the tongue is almost always flat and and laying in the jaw. and the tip should touch the back of the teeth. if you want to sound like you have a speech impediment then sure. but when singing the tongue is the major articulator and is engaged at all times. when at rest my tongue is up in the back and the tip is at the v in the bottom of my mouth but never flat. i spent many hours thinking about and training my tongue to do this, even when not singing.
No vowel is flat, wether its a hard vowel like EE or soft like OO. I explain this in my videos and the importance of sustaining the buzz of the EE in all vowel sounds. the sides of the tongue remain in the V shape and tip is able to move quickly. try sing EE then shape the lips into a soft pucker and see what sound you create. a great example of the V tongue is Robert Plant- who still sounds great.
yes there are vowels that have flat or extended tongue positions. Especially when accessing high notes in head voice for Rock singers. Actually its advantageous to snuff out some of the buzz for lower head voice tones. Narrower helps thin out the voice.
Yes I know about lip/vowel modification. I've been a professional singer for 22 years.
And in no WAY does Robert Plant still sound great. He has lost his range, power and flexibility. I love the guy but he's a shadow of his former self.
the technique for classical and rock are EXCATLEY THE SAME expect classical uses more of the yawn position. its all about the mask!! when I go down to a C2or the midregister the last thing I do is lose the buzz. the buzz resonates in the mask to give low notes projection and line. the mask on the high note gives depth and brilliance, without the mask the voice will take on weight begin to spread and age the voice and sound dead.
In Rock singing it's NOT all about "the mask". Singing too far forward can lead to nasality in some voices. Its best to be able to "dial in" your pharyngeal contractions to add "buzz" or "edge" to one's resonance in the back of the mouth with just a little masking.
Putting the tongue forward aids in enlarging the area of resonance in the back of the mouth in the oropharynx. It also helps a student keep the tongue from falling backward.
The technique for Classical and Rock are NOT the same. Yes, they share SOME commonality but various approaches and methods are completely different.
Pharyngeal usage, vowel enunciation, mixed voice, vibrato usage, nasality, medial cord closure and distortion are NOT the same as classical technique. I was trained classically so I know the differences.
I have several classically trained students who have to come to me to learn how to sing Rock. If they were the same, there'd be no problems.
I was also classically trained, and Ican sing rock, jazz, country, broadway, & opera, and I use the same technique for all styles and just add more yawn for opera. all require the mask, high tongue and a free tongue tip.
you use a lot of technical terms and that is great but my techniques are easy to follow, direct and have an immediate result, all in a language that is universal. I have enjoyed this debate and if you have any questions our need any tips let me know.
the best example of the difference between a voice focused in the mask and one in the mouth is Journey's song Just the Same Way. when Perry comes in he is like a buzz saw thru Rolie's butter. can you explain how to dial in pharyngal contractions and what and why that would be something to do?
lifiting the soft pallet and the back of the tongue makes space in the mouth and the throat.
Ising4u333 2 years ago
what about articulation the jaw cant make words only the tongue and if it just "goes along for a ride" then what?
Ising4u333 2 years ago
"the tongue goes along for the ride" when its not being used to articulate a vowel or consonant. Its in a state of rest behind the bottom teeth.
RocktheStageNYC 2 years ago
she says at :17 that the tongue is almost always flat and and laying in the jaw. and the tip should touch the back of the teeth. if you want to sound like you have a speech impediment then sure. but when singing the tongue is the major articulator and is engaged at all times. when at rest my tongue is up in the back and the tip is at the v in the bottom of my mouth but never flat. i spent many hours thinking about and training my tongue to do this, even when not singing.
Ising4u333 2 years ago
Lisa is referring more to open vowels like "Ah", "Oh" than anything else about the tongue being flat.
RocktheStageNYC 2 years ago
No vowel is flat, wether its a hard vowel like EE or soft like OO. I explain this in my videos and the importance of sustaining the buzz of the EE in all vowel sounds. the sides of the tongue remain in the V shape and tip is able to move quickly. try sing EE then shape the lips into a soft pucker and see what sound you create. a great example of the V tongue is Robert Plant- who still sounds great.
Ising4u333 2 years ago
yes there are vowels that have flat or extended tongue positions. Especially when accessing high notes in head voice for Rock singers. Actually its advantageous to snuff out some of the buzz for lower head voice tones. Narrower helps thin out the voice.
Yes I know about lip/vowel modification. I've been a professional singer for 22 years.
And in no WAY does Robert Plant still sound great. He has lost his range, power and flexibility. I love the guy but he's a shadow of his former self.
RocktheStageNYC 2 years ago
where are you extending your tongue too?
the technique for classical and rock are EXCATLEY THE SAME expect classical uses more of the yawn position. its all about the mask!! when I go down to a C2or the midregister the last thing I do is lose the buzz. the buzz resonates in the mask to give low notes projection and line. the mask on the high note gives depth and brilliance, without the mask the voice will take on weight begin to spread and age the voice and sound dead.
Ising4u333 2 years ago
my dear I know all about resonance and "the mask"
In Rock singing it's NOT all about "the mask". Singing too far forward can lead to nasality in some voices. Its best to be able to "dial in" your pharyngeal contractions to add "buzz" or "edge" to one's resonance in the back of the mouth with just a little masking.
Putting the tongue forward aids in enlarging the area of resonance in the back of the mouth in the oropharynx. It also helps a student keep the tongue from falling backward.
RocktheStageNYC 2 years ago
the reply to this is above
Ising4u333 2 years ago
The technique for Classical and Rock are NOT the same. Yes, they share SOME commonality but various approaches and methods are completely different.
Pharyngeal usage, vowel enunciation, mixed voice, vibrato usage, nasality, medial cord closure and distortion are NOT the same as classical technique. I was trained classically so I know the differences.
I have several classically trained students who have to come to me to learn how to sing Rock. If they were the same, there'd be no problems.
RocktheStageNYC 2 years ago
I was also classically trained, and Ican sing rock, jazz, country, broadway, & opera, and I use the same technique for all styles and just add more yawn for opera. all require the mask, high tongue and a free tongue tip.
you use a lot of technical terms and that is great but my techniques are easy to follow, direct and have an immediate result, all in a language that is universal. I have enjoyed this debate and if you have any questions our need any tips let me know.
Audrey
Ising4u333 2 years ago
That's some set of balls to offer me advice.
The ONE and most glaring distinction I have on YouTube is that I have the easiest to follow, most direct language singing videos on here.
RocktheStageNYC 2 years ago
I was thinking how rude it was for you to patronize me DEAR.
I'll get back to you on the videos once I watch them all. Ciao.
Ising4u333 2 years ago