ISKCON "advisor" Sridhara Maharaja

[nandanugent]

Those who are attached to fruitive activities, who are foolish and who proudly consider themselves learned become overwhelmed by the word jugglery of karma kanda. Being puffed up by those flowery words,

they become greatly attached to the mode of passion, lusty, angry as

a snake, proud and sinful. Thus they dare to blaspheme the pure devotees of Lord Sri Krsna.

[pada1008]

@nandanugent I fully agree, for Sridhara Maharaja to promote illicit sex as acharyas is beyond word jugglery, its downright sinful. And for him to promote child molesters as acharyas is worse than Putana, because his victims lived and suffered their whole lives. I agree fully. ys pd

[hiesoozie]

The whole kiss the lotus feet of Gurus is the thing that should make you think or give you a clue!!!! I will never kiss a mans feet they are no greater than any other man.The divine is within all & we all can learn/speak for it by living life.

[hiesoozie]

For crying out loud stop worshiping man,man is nothing more than a man like you are,they are not God/s.Gurus & false preachers are selling hearts minds & souls every day.We as people need to wake up & save/help are selves.Namaste

[thomwick]

So Prabhupada was warning them. I think he knew from Krishnas face that history will repeat. He was, eh IS, the messenger from Krishna and so his books will be the guidelines. There we have THE GURU. Everybody else can call themselves; Teacher of Prabhupadas books.

[rosenti]

Okay either A) the illuminati framed Krishna temples to put bad light in the large countdown to 2012. B) Someone cruel people went under Krishna way of life, to hide the fact they were evil people who didn't really care about other. Either way, TRUE Hare Krishna's would never commit such an act. They have no desire to, no need to, and no want to. It is sick, and they true gurus know that. It is sick to think such things happened under the real roof of Krishna. Their souls will be punished.

[PETEYBLACK]

This is just scary stuff in my opinion, as an outsider, who has spoken with devotees and listened to them speak.

[Wilfreed1]

...and, by who are you, personally, "authorised" to attack SM and NM?

They are the successers of the antient lineage of gurus. They are of the same "generation"(in succession) as your own guru, SP. And, the most important thing is that they are saturated with the same water, milk and oil as your guru. They grew in the same holly dhamas...

Now, Who are you? Just a "well-wisher" or what...? Where do you find the justification for your attacks against SM and NM, offending them with your friends?

[davegarret]

Wilfreed1 I warn you now as you are making some severe offenses to Pada108 who is a Prabhupada disciple, a devotee of Krishna.

Pada is speaking the truth. There are many Guru's who are proven 'homosexual peadofiles' that is a FACT. AND YOU ARE SAYING HE INVENTED THIS???

NM did support them FACT.

You are attacking an innocent man, and I will certainly not stand around and witness it.

There is no more greater offence then blaspheming an innocent person. He is telling the truth

[pada1008]

Homosexuals and molesters are Krishna's guru line? You are an idiot. God is pure and His gurus are. SM and NM supported the people who poisoned Prabhupada and molested kids and assassinated my firends. I am supposed to worship the regime that is molesting the children and murdering people? And now look, they are saying you are poison, STILL trying to dissenters killed, after the got many others killed. Homosexuals and molesters are YOUR guru line, not mine or Prabhupada's! Speak for yourself.

[Wilfreed1]

Pada... gettuff2 sounds very and very right.

...Who are you?..in all this story... Just a passenger?!.. Just a bypasser?.. or what?..

I never heared of SM and NM a week ago... But, seeing the comments of people around and hearing to what you say... I certainly see that you are trying to jump way above your head.

Your poor quallification is quite transparrent in your monotone "vounded" chanting of the words:"homosexual pedofiles".

Is that your new invention?

What mantra is that,Pada...?

[pada1008]

Now you laughing at the thousands of children who were molested under the SM and NM homosexual pedophile guru line. Some of these children commited suicide and you are laughing in glee? And the SM and NM folks are still saying I am a demon because I tried to save these children? You are all child haters, you have no idea about any Vaishnava anything. Child molesting is above your head, not mine, I know it is evil. It is over your head because you are in sympathy with their regime. Thanks pd

[davegarret]

gettuff2 said:

"The sidhanta is that you MUST surrender to a Guru who is physically present"

This is my challenge to you.....find ONE quote from Srila Prabhupada's books, lectures or letters that confirms this bogus statement.

Good luck

You will however find over FIFTY quotes on folio where Prabhupada say's the guru does not have to be physically present!

"one has to associate with liberated persons not directly, physically, but by understanding"

(SB 3:31:48 purport)

[Wilfreed1]

Oh!.. The good players are here...

Hare Krishna!.. How are you doing... *S*

Well, but you know what?..dear Pada prabhu...

...I think that our dear gettuff2 prabhu sounds very and very reasonable... I mean, there is a certain truth in what he is saying.

Of course, the meeting with an authenticaly quallified, real Guru(not a monkey) is a very significant and lucky event in the life of a diciple(a seeker). This is unconditional.

What happenes when the seeker of Guru does not find such man?..

[pada1008]

SM and NM are the cheif "advisors" and enablers of the worship of molesters as gurus. The result: THOUSANDS of innocent people were then banned, beaten, molested and some assassinated. This is reasonable? Srila Prabhupada says that in his absence, read his books. These SM and NM folks have not read the scriptures, acharyam mam vijnaniyam, not monkey pooja! The seeker has to worship a bona fide pure devotee, not SM and NMs living molesters! Even the Church mouse knows, molesters are not gurus!

[gettuff2]

They were the cheif advisors because that is what Srila Prbhupada wanted.

[pada1008]

Prabhupada wanted SM's and NM's molester messiah project? No, he said that Sridhara is very competant to harm our progress and he is the leader of the SEVERE OFFENDER party. Now you admit that NM does not even know that we have to challenge molester gurus! NM followers say "Why disagree with molester gurus"? Prabhupada says that we need to worship the pure, not SM and NM monkeys and molester messiahs. Prabhupada says it is SEVERE OFFENSE to worship bgus gurus and we must challenge. thanks pd

[davegarret]

Getuff2 said,

"Everything is there in Prabhupadas letters!!!"

Sorry, thats a false statement. Ok find 'God is not a Person only a light' in Prabhupada's letter.

You will not.

Here is an easier on, why not prove your bogus claim that the 'Guru must be physically present' and find it in Prabhupada's letter, if everything is there in Prabhupada's letters like you say.

Good luck, I assure you, you will not find that anywhere.

[pada1008]

Heres the problem: Sridhara and Narayana supported that we need to worship their "physically present" homosexual and pedophiles posing as messiahs. They clearly never read the Vedas properly? And then again they indirectly imply it is ok to shoot us dissenters because for some odd reason, we are not physically present? Then again by promoting deviants as gurus they already got dissenters murdered in post 1936. Someone explain where "the physically present homosexual guru" is found in Vedas? NO

[davegarret]

"Someone explain where "the physically present homosexual guru" is found in Vedas? NO"

lol good point. Anyone who supports homo child abusers pretending to be Guru's are just as guilty.

[gettuff2]

Actually I was being sarcastic. It seems to be the current paradigm to take siddhanta from Srila Prabhupadas letters at the expense of shastra . Srila Prabhupada didn't want His letters used as evidence. They were only for the intended recipients.

The sidhanta is that you MUST surrender to a Guru who is physically present and take Mantras from that person. That is the process. Whether you remain in His presence after that is not imperitive but to surrender at His feet is.

[JayIsrael1]

getuff2 said:"Oh that's all right, you see I'm a disciple of Rupa Goswami and my siksa Guru is Narottama Thakura . I live in a fairy tale land"

"Regarding parampara system, there is nothing to wonder for big gaps. [...]We have to pick up the prominent acarya and follow from him."

(Letter to Dayananda, 12/4/68)

One must approach the current link. Rupa Goswami is not the current link. Prabhupada is the prominent acharya.

Just see, all they do is contradict Prabhupada.

[pada1008]

This is good shastra, except for the fact: the NM clan does not even know that it is wrong for NM to promote deviants as God's successors. NM has no idea about shastra. When we did not agree, NM harassed us, the result was beatings, molesting and murder, and they are proud of that. After NM foisted deviants into the parampara, now he is STILL lecturing us: we are idiots because we never accepted his child molester pooja process. After NM process molested kids and murdered: theyre proud!

[gettuff2]

Everything is there in Prabhupadas letters!!!

[gettuff2]

Srila Prabhupada has entered Aprakat Lila. To whome will you surrender and from whome will you take instruction?

[pada1008]

Anyone can give better "living" advice than NM, even from the Church cookie sale. They ALL worship a pure person, Jesus, they dont worship NM's homosexual pedophile guru cult. We get better "living advice" from the Church cookie sale than from NM. At least they know that molesters are not messiahs. NM has no authority to promote molesters as Krishn's successor gurus, and he still hugs them. Mass molesting resulted from his regime. NM said "I am ISKCON," he admits: he has been their leader. PD

[gettuff2]

Thats interesting because I have not heard anything from you that even remotely resembles common sense let alone transendental knowledge.

[davegarret]

Not worshiping pedophiles or worshiping men that support paedofiles sounds like common sense to me.

[gettuff2]

You still don't understand do you? Just because a few pagal lunatics who are engrossed in the mode of ignorance say some nonsense about someone it doesn't make it a fact does it? Do you believe everything without question? Before I met Him I had a nutter like Pada try and tell me all about NM. Every point he came up with to me sounded logical and reasonable. I went to the presence of SNM and listened and questioned and in a short time it became quite apparent that He is a Mahabhagavata.

[pada1008]

NM hugs molesters who also orchestrate murders, while posing as Krishna gurus. And Getuff thinks this is transcendental ecstacy. He approves. Obviously, Getuff believes everything without question, including, that SM and NM are authorized to promote molesters as acharyas. No one is authorized to promote perverts as messiahs, except a few nutters like NM cult. Just because NM has promoted molester gurus does not make that a fact. Rather, shastra says this is severe offense! Read shastra! pd

[pada1008]

Yes I know, the only thing that NM folks know is that we need to worship NM's living molester regime, and hug the molester messiahs who murder dissenters. Nice preaching you guys got there. And anyone who does not worship molester messiahs and hug molester messiahs is "a bogus offender." You guys are like a broken record since 1980. Can't you come up with some new material? Molester messiah hug fest, we got your program already. And NMs book says nothing wrong with 1936 homosexual guru. Huh?

[pada1008]

Srila Prabhupada says that SM's false gurus of the Gaudiya Matha are usupers like RAVANA. Now NM camp says that SM-NM support of these USURPER Ravanas / child molesters: worshiped on Krishna's altars, is bona fide. Worship of Ravana messiah is bona fide? Ravana is a person we surrender to and take instructions? OK, then vaishnavas will be molested and killed, just like Ravana did, and Sridhara's 1936 guru cult did. Sorry we do not want to surrender to Ravana and take his instructions. Danke pd

[gettuff2]

Wow ,you're pretty spooky. Sure your not peter pan!

[pada1008]

Peter Pan doesnt promote child molester messiahs as gurus. You have not even got enough integrity to worship Peter Pan. As for spooky, NMs child molester messiahs are still giving some of his children victims nightmares even today, and there are dead dissenters to NMs regime. Of course who cares, children are simply garbage under NMs army tank that he drives over the children. You have not answered the question, who authorized NM to promote child molester gurus? Why previous acharya did that?

[davegarret]

Very well put pada1008, what you have said is true.

[JayIsrael1]

These quotes are from Prabhupada's books not letters.

"Such association with Krishna and the Spiritual Master should be association by vibration NOT physical presence. That is real association."

(Elevation to Krishna Consciousness, chapter 4)

"it is described here that one has to associate with liberated persons NOT directly, physically, but by understanding, through philosophy and logic, the problems of life."

(SB 3:31:48 purport)

Get it!? Go slowly.....think

[davegarret]

"CC purport. SP writes. If the madhyam and kanista disciples of an Uttama Guru do not take shelter of another Uttama Vaishnava after the Guru's dissapearance, they make no further progress.."

When quoting, please show EXACT book,chapter, verse. And quote EXACTLY verbatim. Otherwise it is of no use, there is so much hearsay 'Prabhupada said'

[gettuff2]

As I am travelling at the moment I have no acess to my books. You will find this statement at the end of a purport in either chapter 32 or 33 madhya lila. I would be honoured if you would kindly read these chapters to clarify this point.

[JayIsrael1]

Just see how 'devotees' are still promoting the concocted myth that the Guru must be physically present. It is very sad that supposed vaisnava's with tilak donot even know Prabhupada's basic teachings.

Prabhupada never even met many of his disciples, they were initiated by Temple President Rtviks. So according to Peter86868686 they cannot have Prabhupada as Prabhupada did not personally instruct/chastise. Tell me why their names appear in Srila Prabhupada's initiated disciples book?

[gettuff2]

So are you saying Prabhupada has teachings that differ from the Guru parampara?

[JayIsrael1]

Are you stupid?

Prabhupada said that Diksa does not require a physically present guru...

And then you say...

'So are you saying Prabhupada has teachings that differ from the guru parampara'?

No

How on earth did you make that connection? Please enlighten me.

[gettuff2]

Where do you get that SP has written that you don't need a Guru to get diksa?

How is it possible to hear sabdha brahman without a speaker. I think you have some mixed up notion about what initiation actually is. Nowhere in our Brahma Madhava Gaudia sampradaya is there an instance of such fairytale initiation.

It is absolutely NOT possible. But then I'm sure you will quote some obscure letter written to some neophyte devotee to give him inspiration to stay in the movement.

[gettuff2]

So now we should cast aside all of the literature of our previous Acharyas and go by what Srila Prabhupada has written in his letters to his disciples and others. Like the one saying it is ok to have one cigarette between each round...

If you don't understand something then thereis Guru, Sadhu and Shastra. give me quotes form either bonafide source and I will listen. I have read SP's books for 27 yrs and have not read anything of the sort. Same with the ritvik nonsense.

[gettuff2]

If you continue with preaching sidhanta that arises out of mental speculation you will bring our sampradaya into disrepute. Everything is there in Prabuhupads books. All that is needed is an open mind.

[Yamaraja]

Oh please! Trying to make out that you are so authorised! Narayana Maharaj is a sahajya who says our Srila Prabhupada gave only basement and that he has the higher gopi bhava, says that Prabhupada is wrong etc etc yea right! He is such a rascal and so are his followers

[pada1008]

You never read that we have to worship pure devotees and not NM's pedophile guru regime? Even the Christians are smarter than you, they never worship NM's living molesters, where are we supposed to worship the living molester and get all the kids molested? You have no idea what shastra says, period. The Christians worship a pure person at least, they do nto accept NM's idea that we need to worship the living child molester messiahs? Where is NM getting this from? No guru, no sadhu, no shastra.

[gettuff2]

Well I'm done. You fruitcakes are way too deep for me. Where do you get such crackpot speculation from? It's been interesting conversing with you. I honestly didn't think any human being could be so banal.

[pada1008]

This is what Narayana Maharajas followers said all along since 1977, those of you who did not worship NM's homosexual pedophile guru regime are "fruitcakes," and the result was that children were mass molested because NM camp suppressed our complaint. Thanks for showing NM still does that, he hugs the molester messiahs and he despises anyone who worships a bona fide pure devotee, and he still feels that he was authorized to promote the pedophile messiah program, which molested kids. tnks pd

[JayIsrael1]

"Where do you get that SP has written that you don't need a Guru to get diksa?"

I am losing patience with you. Please find where I said that and PASTE IT.

I am sorry but I am starting to think that you are just a simple fellow.

How on earth do you equate; 'the guru does not need to be physically present' to 'you don't need a guru'?

They are very different statements, but obviously that is a challenge for you to see.

[gettuff2]

Oh that's all right, you see I'm a disciple of Rupa Goswami and my siksa Guru is Narottama Thakura . I live in a fairy tale land where whatever I think is reality. Can you seriously say that you are srila Prabhupadas disciple simply by reading some books? Good luck with that one Ekalavya.

[JayIsrael1]

"Can you seriously say that you are srila Prabhupadas disciple simply by reading some books? Good luck with that one"

TKG: Can a Christian in this age, without a Spiritual Master, but by reading the Bible, and following Jesus"s words, reach the ...

Srila Prabhupada: When you read the Bible, you follow the Spiritual Master. HOW CAN YOU SAY WITHOUT.

(SP Morning Walk, Seattle, 2/10/68)

Srila Prabhupada: I will live forever from my books and you will utilise.

(SP Interview, 17/7/75)

[Wilfreed1]

Ubs!.. Hi!.. Good point, brother.

If you once pay some even ocasional attention to the purports of BS(Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati) in Brahma Samhita, I guaranty you, you will very easily find few places where he says that cin-maya is actually the Lords spiritual energy. And, therefore any "form" conscissting of it is spiritual and thus eternal... It IS there, I am just lazy to find the "quote".

So... If cinmaya IS the spiritual energy which is the "consciousness", then...???

Enjoy!.. *s*

[davegarret]

Come again? Lost in space here...

[gettuff2]

If you are asking about the conscious living entity , he is Jiva tattva, marginal potency. Totaly spiritual but due to his minuteness he is subject to domination by maya or illusion. There are three main energies; Purusha ;tatasta and prakriti.

[pada1008]

Srila Prabhupada says his books are going to give divyam jnanam which destroys sins (diksha) forever. Us Prabhupadanugas have pure source of diksha. NM said we need to get " diksha" from Tamal's homosexual pedophile guru regime. Nowhere in the Brahma Madva samapradya do we find people advocating the worship of homosexual pedophiles like NM. This is not just a fairytale, it is a nightmare. Thanks to NM's regime thousands of kids were molested. NM still hugs them.

Pedophile and diksha? No!

[pada1008]

Narayana Mj supports the worship of pedophiles and then claims this is "the tradition of Krishna." Why does NM insult Krishna? We follow "the tradition," we worship the pure. Notice that since the past 30 years hardly none of the NM folk ever say, well you are right, NM is bogus for promoting pedophile regime gurus, instead they argue all the time, still defending the process of making pedophiles into gurus! And as long as they do, we continue to expose that. "Pedophile guru tradition"????? No!

[gettuff2]

You make the assumption that NM supports pedophiles. Where is there any evidence of this? If you say that when He was trying to help ISKCON after SP's departure, then you will have to admit that SP was at fault as He directed NM to do exactly that.

Evidence (pramanam) please.

It is fruitless discussing with you if you do not present evidence with your accusations.

I know you have absolutely none that is why you simply repeat the same banal verbage.

[pada1008]

Srila Prabhupada never told us to consult NM to manage ISKCON? He told us to avoid the Gaudiya Matha. Anyway NM supported Tamal's molester guru regime, and he still does, he still hugs them. And now he is mad that we are feeding almost a million people in India daily, maybe even his ex-wife and child are being fed by us, and he hates that? He hates that we give the poor Krishna prasad? He rather hugs pedophile messiahs than the people feeding the Brjabasis and others? The evidence is clear. pd

[bhuridajanah]

As you carry on, day in, day out, year in, year out, seeing and assessing everything according to your karmically acquired, bad experience influenced, provincial, and - I'm sure even you can't deny - fallible vision, PLEASE, while offering a little prayer at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada (who I'm sure is in uttama bhagavat devotional bliss regardless of what you think is good or bad) PLEASE try to accommodate this:

[pada1008]

This is the whole problem: Sridhara and Narayana Maharaja supported the molester gurus project. THEN After the children were molested NM said "the children are just getting their karma." Who authorized Narayana to promote a child molester guru process and dish out other's karma? This is like robbing a bank and then telling the judge that the bank has the karma to be robbed. You guys say anything to justify the worship of criminals as messiahs. That is the problem. thanks pd

[gettuff2]

Take your hand off your phallace for a while. NM had nothing to do with any such molestation. If you were there then it is your responsibility for what happened because you didn't stop it ,did you?

Your envy and anger is self appointed and it seems you don't know how to control it. Best you surrender yourself to a qualified Guru and leave your mind to rest. It's been a long day hasn't it? Best you go bye byes now...

[pada1008]

Narayana Mj supported the pedophile gurus and even recently he was hugging Kirtanananda. WE protested and NM said were "ritvik poison" because we dont worship NM's pedophile messiahs. We tried to stop NM's pedophile pooja, and we got death threats and our friends were beaten and murdered, because NM was calling us poison trying to get us killed. NM is the angry person here, he calls people vile names, rants like a fool, cannot even answer one question so he has to cancel meetings, thanks pd

[bhuridajanah]

...that Lord Krishna reserves the right to allow things to turn out in a way that even his pure devotees are surprised by, what to speak of you!

And Lord Krishna is ALL GOOD...remember?

How sad that it is that this comment will probably not stop you from carrying on, day in, day out, year in, year out, seeing and assessing everything with with your karmically acquired, bad experience influenced, limited, provincial - and I'm sure even you can't deny - fallible vision....

[davegarret]

Narayana maharaja teachings contradict Srila Prabhupada in very important points of philosophy, giving a different meaning, therefore he should be rejected.

"So Tirtha Maharaja, Madhav Maharaja, Sridhara Maharaja, our Gurudeva, Swamiji Bhaktivedanta Swami- THEY ALL BECAME ACHARYAS." (Narayana Maharaja,p.23,ISKCON Journal 1990)

"Actually amoungst my Godbrothers NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACHARYA."

(Srila Prabhupada letter,28.4.74

[pada1008]

This is odd? Narayana says "the disciples of Srila Prabhupada are monkeys," simultaneously, he told Jayadvaita "the eleven (monkeys) are to be worshiped as rati keli siddhas," i.e. equal to Jesus. Why does Narayana Maharaja say that Jesus is a monkey? Thanks pd

[gaura]

once again only the half truth and bad representation of Srila Maharaja

[pada1008]

Narayana Maharaja said (a) the ISKCON leaders are monkeys and (b) he said in 1978 that the leader are to be worshiped as rati keli siddha, perfect conjugal lovers of Krishna. That means he thinks monkeys are Krishna's pure rasika servants. He is a sahajiya! Prabhupada says making monkey into pure devotee is sahajya, very sinful. This is not half truth, this is factual history. NM said we were poison when we said his regime was molesting children, he defended child molester guru regime. ys pd

[gaura]

No Srila Narayana Maharaja has not said that

And the only reason Srila Narayan Maharaja has tried to help the gbc is because Srila Prabhupad ordered Him to do so.

btw, Srila Prabhupad Himself called His disciples monkeys He was and is trying to make them pure devotees -so is He a sahajiya? No.

Question- If Srila Narayana Maharaja was a sahajiya why would Srila Prabhupad send His disciples to Him for instructions?????

[davegarret]

Look get over it, your beloved "guru" is a bogus cheater, Narayana Maharaja is a cheater and you are being cheated, plain and simple. Why is it so difficult for people to just worship the REAL acharya Srila Prabhupada.

[gaura]

You are the Cheater -because you cheat yourself. You have a dirty mouth and bark like a dog- and I don't respond to dogs.

Srila Prabhupad says to avoid the envious so I wont be responding to this tread

[davegarret]

Prabhuji, I did not call you any bad names just made my point, that Narayana Swami is bogus, I stand by that. Then you attack me calling me a 'dog', with a 'dirty mouth' who 'barks' and is 'envious'. I donnot resort to petty name calling and abusive remarks, that is clear to anyone who reads this. You refer to me as the barking dog? Whose behaviour out of the two of us that resembles someone with a dirty mouth? Please stick to logic and reason, not character assasination.

[gettuff2]

Dave Dave Dave. Again you throw the ultimate of insults, the kind that scripture says a disciple should respond to by killing the perpertrator, then you shift the blame and say "EVERYONE CAN SEE YOU ARE THE GUILTY ONE". Your remarks about somebodies Guru are certainly not petty name calling or abusive remarks, they are the most despicable and offensive apparadhas that could be offered.

I'm sure anyone who knows anything can see you are certainly an apparadhi of the lowest order .

[davegarret]

Whatever, I stand by my comments.

Stop worshiping mundane people dressed as sadhus it will get you nowere.

Prabhupada IS the Guru, the current link, the acharya.

Accept no substitute my friends.

[gettuff2]

As the drowning man holds his fist while submerging.

This is the sighn of an apparadhi. As scripture says "one who sees the spiritual master as an ordinary men has a mentality fit for hell". Prabhupada is the guru for all of his disciples and certainly param guru to many. B Those fools who think they can take him as Guru while disrespecting the current Gurus are only kidding themselves. Even Ekalavya had the good sense to worship a living Guru although he too was an apparadhi.

[peter86868686]

When was the last time Srila Prabhupada sat you down and gave instuction for your own personal benefit? When did He last pull your ear for being a nonsense or give you sweet encouragement for something insignificant.

You are missing the point my friend. You cannot have Him now that he has left. You will have to find a devotee of Krsna who is pure in heart and surrender to Him. That is the process, there is no other way!!

[davegarret]

Please stop contradicting Prabhupada with your 'Guru must be physically present' concocted nonsense.

What does Prabhupada say;

"As far as my blessing is concerned, it does not require my physical presence. If you are chanting Hare Krishna there, and following my instructions, reading the books, taking only Krishna prasadam etc., then there is no question of your not receiving the blessings of Lord Caitanya, whose mission I am humbly trying to push on."

SP Letter, 30/6/74)

[gettuff2]

Sure,for one who has taken initiation the physical presence of the Guru doesn't matter so much but he MUST have advanced association. Everything comes from association.

[pada1008]

OK here we go, NM said we have to worship the "living" molester guru regime and get advanced association from the 11. Earth to getuff, homosexual pedophiles posing as gurus are not guru association! Hello! Weve said this for 30 years and NM folks still never get it, homosexual pedophiles are not Krishna's successor gurus, NM has been wrong to promote that, and he still hugs Kirtanananda because he still suports that regime. Everything comes from association: bogus messiah Kirtanananda's! pd

[davegarret]

"You cannot have Him now that he has left."

Indian Lady: ... is that spiritual master still guiding after death?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Just like Krishna is guiding us, similarly spiritual master will guide us.

(SP lectures, 23/09/69) "The potency of transcendental sound is never minimised because the vibrator is apparently absent."

(S.B. 2.9.8. purport)

Personal association is not so important as association through serving."

(SP Letter to Satyadhana, 20/2/72)

[gettuff2]

And still you don't know what it means to have a spiritual master!

CC purport. SP writes. If the madhyam and kanista disciples of an Uttama Guru do not take shelter of another Uttama Vaishnava after the Guru's dissapearance, they make no further progress..

NOT a letter but straight from shastra written by Srila Prabhupada just for you. Now all you have to do is read his books in a humble mood and you might learn something.Spiritual life is acintya,can't be understood with the intellect.

[Yamaraja]

Carry on speaking the truth guys! Expose these rascals! Great seva

Dont let the antics of gettuff2 and the rest of his crankies bother you. Its always the same, the 'appharadha' 'apphradha' they scream. Beat, name call, abuse, intimidate, guilt trip. Seen it all before. Zonal acharya days are over, the bogus guru's are finished, krishna will deal with them in time and their blind followers like gettuff2 goonda prabhu. They can bark but the caravan Prabhupada's caravan will move on!!!!

[gettuff2]

If you don't know the meaning of the word Apparadhi then you endevour to find out. How can one make progress while in ignorance. It is a VERY important subject for the kanista adhikari. Without understanding this subject you may well spoil you chance at spiritual life.

The purpose of my comments are to make you think. If I may ,I suggest you read jaiva dharma. Bhaktivinoda says that one cannot come to pure bhakti without studying this text. The path of sad achar is well dileniated.

[pada1008]

This is how NM folks got people murdered, they said we should not oppose NM's pedodphile guru project because scripture says they can kill those who oppose. Very nice admission here, Gettuff admits that NM camp says they were right to orchestrate murders of those of us who opposed NMs pedophile messiah project. This is what they said all along, we are despicable offenders because we did not worship pedophiles, and that is how NM camp murdered people, calling us offenders and so on. Thanks pd

[hecdaca2007]

You people are all fucking sick. All of you have been brain washed

[pada1008]

Those of us who expose child molesting are sick? I think you have not taken your percodans today. thanks pd

[gettuff2]

Do you know who and what you are?

[davegarret]

Deciding not to have Srila Prabhupada's picture on your alter as your Diksa guru, to read his books, offer bhoga through him, chant his pranama's but instead putting the picture of some mundane person.

That is the biggest mistake you ever made.

How shameful you are. Without Srila Prabhupada, you would know nothing about Krishna! He saved you. Then you decide to worship someone else. Have you no shame?

[peter86868686]

My altar as well as my heart is allways blessed by the Lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada.I have daily chanted His pranam mantra for the last 27 years. My guru is in succession from Srila Prabupada in His line and I worship Him as my diksa Guru and Srila Prabhupada as my Param Guru. There is nothing I wouldn't do to serve either of Their Lotus Feet including preaching to the offenders of Srila Prabhupada which would include you and all others opposed to the disciplic succession.Shame? No shame!

[peter86868686]

From gettuff not peter86868686.

[davegarret]

Whatever fool, stop eating at Burgerking

[pada1008]

Actually the people in Burger King are WAY more advanced than NM folk, they worship a bona fide pure devotee: Jesus. They would never worship Narayana Maharaja's homosexual child molester messiah's project, even if you paid them a billion dollars. In other words, they have some knowledge of the shastra: gurusuh narah matih, guru is not a mundane man, whereas NM folks are clueless. So I hope some Burger King "living guru" wakes up NM clan. Anyone in Burger King would be better guru. thanks pd

[pada1008]

Thanks, yes you are right, Narayana Maharaja said that the eleven are monkeys, and THEN he told Jayadvaita that his eleven monkeys have to be worshiped as "rati keli" pure gurus. Narayana thinks that monkeys are God's living successor gurus -- as he calls them. Problem: monkeys are not recognized as acharyas by anyone except the Narayana clan. I suggest you read the Vedas, monkeys are in the mode of ignorance, they are not Radha's personal servants. You guys never read the Vedas! Get rreading!

[gettuff2]

We all have our lives and services to perform. They also. Srila Narayana Maharaja was personally asked by Prabhupada to look after and train we western monkeys. Is he not doing that? And who put Prabhupada into Samadhi? Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it S Narayana M? In Gaudia Vaishnavism it is the successor that puts the Acharya into Samadhi. But of course you would know that already. But Still S Narayan M makes no claim and continues to help those who are serious about spiritual life.

[gettuff2]

I must say you have the perspective of a child. You say that neither Srila Sridhar Maharaja or Srila Narayana Maharaja were there to help, how is that so ,they were both engaged in serving their respective Gurus and helped Srila Prabhupada when they could. You condemn them for not dropping everything and help SP train his monkeys. Just think for a minute. Someone in the world must be doing wonderful preaching, maybe in China or USA why aren't you there helping them?

[JayIsrael1]

bulletofsorrow says this vidio is irrelavant?Nothing could me more relevant! The parallels of what happened in the gaudia math and current ISKCON are remarkable its history repeating itself! Look at the Manor in England, same thing, Sruti and Prana have turned it into a hodgepodge hindu temple, just like what happened in the gaudia matha!

[davegarret]

Prabhuji you got the wrong end of the stick, like I did bulletofsorrow was saying Iskcon members find it irrelivant, not him personally, he thinks it very relevant.

[davegarret]

Thank you PADA1008 for your very nice commentary, I have nothing but praise for you in your efforts to fight for righteousness and the removal of all corruption in Prabhupada's great Iskcon! Hare Krishna

[gettuff2]

You want to save ISKCON , then why do you blaspheme Srila Narayana Maharaja? He has nothing to do with ISKCON. I think it would be better to concentrate your efforts on ISKCON for better effect. That way you will appear to the wider community as fixed in resolve rather than "out for everyone".

[pada1008]

NM said that we needed to worship his "living gurus" ie molesters regime, and we disagreed, thats all. NM has everything to do with the molester regime. I was being chased with baseball bats by NM's molester regime members, while he was hugging them, and he still hugs them. NM has not answered our original question, why has he been supporting molesters as Krishna's acharyas, and why is he still hugging his molester messiah regime members? Sorry, molesters are not messiahs. Thganks pd

[gettuff2]

Why do you disagree?

[pada1008]

Why have we disagreed? -- with NM's child molester guru regime? Well thanks, now we know how NM got thousands of children molested, he does not even know that we have to disagree with pedophile pooja. The Vedas say: acharyam mam vijnaniyam, the guru is as pure as God. And NM says no, monkeys and molesters are gurus, so he has no idea about religious culture, and his followers do not even know that we have to discriminate molesters from real gurus. Very nice, we are making progress. Thanks pd

[gettuff2]

Srila Prabhupadas disciples had already usurped their positions as guru. Was it up to Him to knock them all off their pegs ? It doesn't make the Guru Parampara redundant because He had no authority to do anything about it does it? He did the right thing by allowing them the chance to prove themselves didn't He? Then He carried on serving SP after the shit hit the fan. And that is what He is doing to date. He has potency whereas you are impotent. He can give diksa wheresas you can give dick!

[pada1008]

Srila Prabhupada's post was usurped and you say we should support the people who did that as gurus? We should support Ravana who usurped Sita? Ravan is NM's messiah idea! NM allowed that to occur, you admit, but its worse, he supported them. This is good, Prabhupada complained he's being poisoned, they usurped his seat and put molesters in his seat, and NM "allowed" them. You are right, NM is responsible, worse he checked our protest, that made the molesting worse. NM admits! Good progress! pd

[bulletsofsorrow]

Amazing. No one is concerned with the above events. Current Iskcon members will either laugh or regard as irrelavant. As one great philosopher once put it... 'There is nothing wrong for a child to be afraid of the dark. What is truely tragic is when old men are afraid of the light' (or something along those lines).

[davegarret]

You wholeheartedly ,disgust me with your comments. Firstly, whatever ones opionion on how the parampara was to carry on, ritvik or the present guru system, NO ONE with any ounce of decency and integrity would 'laugh' or consider the tragic events in ISKCON 'irrelavant'.You think that is a 'laughing' matter? You are sick.

[bulletsofsorrow]

No, personally I do not find this a laughing matter and yes, those people who are attempting to bring these truths to light (those whose opinion differs...) are being ridiculed, laughed at, beaten and murdered by the conspirators who are NOT men of integrity and decency and anyone who supports their fallacious agenda are aggressors against those who contend it. It's a sick world and iskcon unfortunately is no exception.

[davegarret]

bulletsofsorrow, I must appologise for my comments, looking at what you said I realise that I totally misunderstood what you were saying. I thought it was you who regarded it a laughing matter, but after re reading your statement I understand your point. I feel silly!! Sorry about that!