Bagua and Hsing-Yi are said to be siblings borne of mother Tai Chi. Tai Chi has the curves and the straight lines. My master used to say that Tai Chi was the art of finding the straight line in the curve.
If a Wolf wears sheep's clothing,. does the wolf become a sheep? Hardly so. Many masters from China accepted the gi as a way to continue to practice their system in neighboring countries during Communist takeover of China. To a Master, a uniform is an article of clothing,... a belt,.... to hold up one's pants. With that said, look at the form and understand the technique You will be less biased and more blessed with knowledge by doing so..
that is exactly right Taelon. I am of i slineage and he and his top student master hsu hong shi both did that, It was his way of keeping order in the school
Luo Dexiu has said that Master Hong used Japanese uniforms to compete with all of the Karate schools that were opening up in Taiwan at the time. I think they look sharp doing Bagua in Gi's :-)
I don't know why these guys are all in Karate uniforms when they're supposedly practicing some form of Chinese art, but what they're doing looks much more like karate than Gung-fu.
According to previous comments, the Grand Master visited Japan, liked the hierarchal system they used and infused more or less into his teaching to make it more efficient.
Also, look carefully at what they're doing. That isn't Karate, it's Hsing Yi. Unlike Tai Chi and Bagua, Hsi Yi is predominantly linear.
yes, your right about Hsing Yi being more linear or straight line, but I was also looking at many of the other moves that strike me more like karate than Hsing yi. Though there could be different styles of Hsing yi that are more karate like than I'm familiar with.
One explanation could also be that karate is developed/inspired by gong fu.
I have once heard at a seminar, that kara(kara-te) was a Kanji-character for "foreign", which was synonymous with China. It was only as recently as 1920 that Sensei Gichin Funakoshi by the formation of Shoto-Kan, changed the first Kanji-character for "Empty", this character is also pronounced kara. And that this was a step, into making it more japanese oriented.
So correct if im wrong, but could one say that karate derived from the japanese ryu-schools, which derived from kempo, which derived from linear shaolin styles such as hsing-yi? :-)
If you did your homework you would find karate-do an adapted form of Kung-fu gievn to the okinawans by the chinese. It has degraded from its original form ever since
Most of the Okinawans arts were adapted from Crane style gung-fu, especially goju-ryu. I've done my homework but doesn't mean I'm familiar with every style and sub-style that someone might have adapted from all forms of gung-fu, whether crane or hsing-yi.
I am not sure why you say it has degraded. Chinese forms are long & Okinawans made changes with their own styles. If you see a Chinese form & length, it is very long while Okinawas forms or Kata are very short, they are mostly farmers, time is not an abundance for them nor is space as they have to stand their ground while China is huge, you have room to & travel to run which makes the differences in philosophy of the forms or Kata & style. Also I doubt Chinese taught them a complete style ever
Bagua and Hsing-Yi are said to be siblings borne of mother Tai Chi. Tai Chi has the curves and the straight lines. My master used to say that Tai Chi was the art of finding the straight line in the curve.
jacksawild 1 year ago
If a Wolf wears sheep's clothing,. does the wolf become a sheep? Hardly so. Many masters from China accepted the gi as a way to continue to practice their system in neighboring countries during Communist takeover of China. To a Master, a uniform is an article of clothing,... a belt,.... to hold up one's pants. With that said, look at the form and understand the technique You will be less biased and more blessed with knowledge by doing so..
redravenva 1 year ago
this kung fu "style" wears a japanese kind of uniform (gi), why is that?
TaeIeon 2 years ago
After what i have understood, Grand master Hung I Hsiang, liked and adopted some of the Japanese ways, and incoporated them into his own teachings.
skytte71 2 years ago
that is exactly right Taelon. I am of i slineage and he and his top student master hsu hong shi both did that, It was his way of keeping order in the school
treesheriff 2 years ago
@skytte71 true master hung i hsiang liked the old school Japanese educate taught in the dojo
shenlung10 1 year ago
Luo Dexiu has said that Master Hong used Japanese uniforms to compete with all of the Karate schools that were opening up in Taiwan at the time. I think they look sharp doing Bagua in Gi's :-)
woyoudama 2 years ago
ya hsing yi does have a circular motion to it.... each movement has its own curves
utek11 2 years ago
I don't know why these guys are all in Karate uniforms when they're supposedly practicing some form of Chinese art, but what they're doing looks much more like karate than Gung-fu.
GungFuMan777 3 years ago
According to previous comments, the Grand Master visited Japan, liked the hierarchal system they used and infused more or less into his teaching to make it more efficient.
Also, look carefully at what they're doing. That isn't Karate, it's Hsing Yi. Unlike Tai Chi and Bagua, Hsi Yi is predominantly linear.
StellusBattersea 3 years ago
yes, your right about Hsing Yi being more linear or straight line, but I was also looking at many of the other moves that strike me more like karate than Hsing yi. Though there could be different styles of Hsing yi that are more karate like than I'm familiar with.
Thanks
GungFuMan777 3 years ago
One explanation could also be that karate is developed/inspired by gong fu.
I have once heard at a seminar, that kara(kara-te) was a Kanji-character for "foreign", which was synonymous with China. It was only as recently as 1920 that Sensei Gichin Funakoshi by the formation of Shoto-Kan, changed the first Kanji-character for "Empty", this character is also pronounced kara. And that this was a step, into making it more japanese oriented.
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skytte71 3 years ago
So correct if im wrong, but could one say that karate derived from the japanese ryu-schools, which derived from kempo, which derived from linear shaolin styles such as hsing-yi? :-)
skytte71 3 years ago
xing-yi is taoist not shoalin. Shoalin came from taoists forms as well
treesheriff 2 years ago
If you did your homework you would find karate-do an adapted form of Kung-fu gievn to the okinawans by the chinese. It has degraded from its original form ever since
treesheriff 2 years ago
Most of the Okinawans arts were adapted from Crane style gung-fu, especially goju-ryu. I've done my homework but doesn't mean I'm familiar with every style and sub-style that someone might have adapted from all forms of gung-fu, whether crane or hsing-yi.
JediMasterRich 2 years ago
I am not sure why you say it has degraded. Chinese forms are long & Okinawans made changes with their own styles. If you see a Chinese form & length, it is very long while Okinawas forms or Kata are very short, they are mostly farmers, time is not an abundance for them nor is space as they have to stand their ground while China is huge, you have room to & travel to run which makes the differences in philosophy of the forms or Kata & style. Also I doubt Chinese taught them a complete style ever
ShorinRyuRonin 2 years ago
that is one bad ass motha fuka
ironrogue 4 years ago