The Lying Promise "The Gospel According to Dr. Tony Evans"

[Jschwar7]

Nobodies perfect except for Jesus, but Dr. Tony Evans is not a false teacher. He preaches the truth. Could it be that you are overlooking the plank in your own eye? I would encourage you to evaluate yourself.

[defendingthegospel1]

@Jschwar7 Where in this video did I say anything about anybody being perfect? Further, where in this video did I say Evans was a false teacher? Please, if you want to discredit me, kindly do so based on something I actually said! I would encourage you to evaluate yourself.

[pastormtippett]

Yes, the Bible does say that we are saved by grace, and that noone can take us out of that salvation. But it never says that you cannot turn your back on God and give-up your salvation. The parable of the 10 virgins shows we can be unprepared to recieve salvation. Also in Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

We must endure to the end or we will forfeit our place in Gods Kingdom.

[jarcar101]

the definanition of "grace" is "unearned favor".... if a man truely gives there life to Christ and after that goes on to take a nose dive.. Eph 4:30 says that he is already sealed by the Spirrit. 1Cor 3:15 says that your reward maybe burned up by fire but you yorself will be saved in the day of judgement.. so are you saying we can lose savtation?? Im confused on what exactly you beleive..

[defendingthegospel1]

Heb 6:4-6

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

[mensamaterial]

it appears that the man in the video has been greatly influenced by Rob Bell and Brian McClaren...who I consider to be false teachers...I really don't see the case made for the pastors listed here...

[chukandsarahpratt]

@mensamaterial (continue)...And finally, HOW can ANY person who CRUCIFIES CHRIST go to heaven? If the Jews killed Christ and did not repent they dont go. If the Roman guards who actually did the dirty work repent, they could go. But if a Christian is declared here as IMPOSSIBLE to ever be brought back to repentance and is CRUCIFYING CHRIST by their falling away into SIN, HOW TE HECK DO TE GET TO GO? This scripture PLAINLY says that THEY DONT! What do you THINK it means???

[eddiegt500]

I recommend Daniel LaLond Jr that you read "THE BOOK". If salvation is not absolute, then what is the point of God's promise? Sir the battle with Satan is over, Christ already Won. If a human stumbles in his Christian Faith (after being saved), and then is denied his Salvation, thats not Grace then is it??? You have a very narrow view of what the Lord is capable of. God's love is constant in a world of Cynics !

I look forward to your comments.

[defendingthegospel1]

This is a "straw man argument" which means that someone invents an idea that the other party does not hold and then attacks it as if they did hold said idea.

Show me in this video where I even hint that a person who "stumbles in his Christian Faith (after being saved), 'will be' denied his Salvation."

This is not a position that I hold. As such, the comment does not warrant a response.

[excaliba360]

Exactly the bible says: John 10:And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

[defendingthegospel1]

I agree wholeheartedly with John 10.

So, again I say, show me in this video where I even hint that a person who "stumbles in his Christian Faith (after being saved), 'will be' denied his Salvation."

[GraceSon3]

@defendingthegospel1

I have read the bible through in through and once saved ALWAYS saved. You are like many now of days who believe if they walk perfectly they are saved. NO MAN other than Jesus Christ has walked this earth sinless....This deception will and has ONLY pushed NON believers farther and farther away from the truth. WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE ALONE......NO MISTAKE, NO AMOUNT OF ANGER, NO DEMON, OR FALLEN ANGEL CAN TAKE US FROM HIS HAND!!!

[1xosue]

This guy is just a wantta be author that is starving for attention and wants to get some fame on the back of others so he can sell you his books. How is any of his rants bringing glory to God? These rants would have creditability if he were to have address the speakers first then after doing so gone to the elders and then shut his mouth and go about his way.

[djmpodcast]

Where are your thoughts on Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Rod Parsley, Frederick Price, Bishop Eddie Long, etc?  Do you agree or disagree with their teachings? Do tell. . . . . . . . . . . . .

[Wisdomonmylips]

What's you intent of this video? Would you like people to stop listening to Dr. Tony Evans? If someone accepted Christ under Dr. Evans, was it not real? Who are you fighting?

[defendingthegospel1]

"Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:

The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:

But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.

What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice (Phil 1:15-18).

[Wisdomonmylips]

Thanks for your reply. As long you you rejoice since Christ is being preached! I believe Dr. Evans is preaching out of good will, and you may think he's doing it of contention, not sincerely...but we both rejoice.

[eddiegt500]

I would like to hear your response to this statement. I also think you should block Bullhornguy and those that are calling you names because they are not keeping the debate civil. This was a previous post.... aaaaa0000000000 (5 months ago) Show Legalistic attitudes such as this, is what turns people off to Jesus in the 1st. Place.

[mshelton0222]

Tony Evans is Kirk Franklins pastor, both have blessed my walk with Christ ;)

[Craigsybone]

this guy has no idea what hes talking about. tony evans has the Spirit all over him. so GET over yourself

[GospelPilgrim]

Perhaps you wouldn't mind providing some scripture which corroborates the idea of determining true and false teachers based on the extremely subjective notion of who does or does not have "the Spirit all over him."

If you can't provide this (which you can't) perhaps you should get over yourself.

[timikona]

you go to hell with satan you are racist and stupid

[defendingthegospel1]

May my gracious Lord bless you just as you have blessed me.

[timikona]

did u talk to him? f u

[timikona]

F u body

please love and respect you want people to c u.

God knows who is good. Tony Evans is good u are racist look at you white

[aaaaa0000000000]

Legalistic attitudes such as this,is what turns people off to Jesus in the 1st. Place.I recommend Daniel LaLond Jr that you read "THE BOOK". If salvation is not absolute ,then what is the point of God's promise? Sir the battle with Satan is over,Christ already Won. If a human stumbles in his Christian Faith (after being saved),and then is denied his Salvation,that's not Grace then is it ??? You have a very narrow view of what the Lord is capable of. God's love is constant in a world of Sinics !

[BullhornGuy]

Your spelling is as good as your theology.

Sinic - "Of or pertaining to the Chinese and allied races." Perhaps you meant "cynic."

And, yes... it is "grace" - biblical grace, but you wouldn't recognize that.

"Legalism," "Grace," and "Absolute salvation" are all relative terms depending on the preconceptions you bring to the table.

It would be less painful for all of us if you would go back to looking at porn and leave the theology to those who can read.

[shieldsff]

sorry, brother but you're mistaken.... Pastor Evans is correct as Jesus makes clear in John in his comments that no one can ever take those who come to Him out of the Father's hand(s). When we are sealed by the Spirit, that is an ' ETERNAL TRANSACTION'. The work of Christ is a one-time event. Teh Holy Spirit works perpetually in the life of the believer to conform hin to Christ.

[defendingthegospel1]

Nice job...you parrot today's pop theology very well. What's your next trick...juggling or more out of context "proof texts?"

For the benefit of those with ears to hear I'll point out that the part you're ignoring from Jesus' words in John 10 (because they don't fit your nice little system) is John 10:27:

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and THEY FOLLOW ME"

Pretend as you will, IT DOES NOT SAY: "..no one will pluck them from my hand whether they follow me or not."

[777denny]

OSAS lie.Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch...and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

[RepairBucket]

Tony Evans just did a big peace on the role of the man and the role of the woman in the household... This was not very popular with most people especially womens liberationists. But as far as I've studied it's biblical.

What reason would this man have to speak such an unpopular message and risk loosing 50% of his congregation (women).Someone in it for personal gain would be shooting themselves in the foot. Why do you think he'd waste his time on this subject? opinion please.

peace and grace

[defendingthegospel1]

Who said that Evans was "in it for personal gain?"

[RepairBucket]

Would you say he's well meaning then?

[defendingthegospel1]

Well-meaning? I make no claim to know the motives of Evans. Well-meaning or not, Evans is seriously errant on foundational salvation doctrines and misleads many thereby.

[MrZelalem]

I think you are wrong to suggest that this theology is characteristic of Dallas Seminary. Selective evidence. Yes these three people may hold to this doctrine but that is not DTS' position. I am a Ph.D. candidate at this seminary, niether the school nor I hold to this teaching at all.

[defendingthegospel1]

Interesting...though I referenced DTS, I don't recall stating that carnal christianity is a DTS mainstay - thanks for the info though.

[zaga0506]

Do you believe in "Perservation of the saints?"

[defendingthegospel1]

If by "Perservation of the saints" you mean the biblical truth that "God works all things for the good of those who love him and who have been called according to his purpose" I absolutely believe it.

But if you intend the Calvinistic eternal security dogma that goes by the same name - I absolutely reject it.

[zaga0506]

Yeah the latter is what I was talking about. Why don't you?

[defendingthegospel1]

Sound theology must incorporate all biblical texts that address a given topic. "Preservation of the saints" isolates some texts, but ignores others. To embrace the totality of scriptural counsel on the topic one must reject the dogma.

[zaga0506]

Be encouraged. I may not agree with you but I truly believe that you are my brother in Christ and that you are trying to do what you see as the right thing. Don't let people get you down, just defend your stands. God Bless bro.

[jarseed]

Hi. I really believe that it is not your place to criticize or judge another man of God, but if you believe there are so altered teaching by anyone, your job is to teach the truth. No matter what you say or prove will have anyone to believe that your works are authentic. You only can spread the truth. But I must say that you should rightly divide the word and that you should be wise and do your part in ministry and let God do his job and not you.

BE A TRUE MAN OF GOD AND NOT JUDGE!

[ladiepink]

My only question after listening to this

is What was your Motive on video?? was it to tear down or Build up? Just a question

[ohdoctorc]

I know Dr. Evans, and all quotations about him given by Daniel La Lond are true. Dr. Evan's is not been misquoted, the issue here is that the guy in the video TRUSTS in his works for salvation, and Dr. Evans SOLELY TRUSTS in God's grace for salvation of every person that has BELIEVED in the saving work of the Lord Jesus Christ. "for by GRACE you are saved, NOT, NOT, NOT BY WORKS!"

[defendingthegospel1]

Biblical grace ALWAYS produces fruit or good works...always. See Romans 6, Titus 2:11, James 2 or 1 John 3. It is impossible to trust in the grace presentented in scripture and not manifest it in our lives.

Evans promotes a fruitless, false grace as shown by the quotations that you have confirmed. Those who "soley trust" in this false grace will be lost. Modern Christianity has swallowed false grace for so long that we do not recognize biblical teaching or salvation.

[99Xax99]

For he will render to everyone according to his works: to those who by perseverance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, he will give aeonion life; but for those who are self-seeking and are not persuaded by the truth, but are persuaded by wickedness, there will be wrath and fury.

Affliction and anguish for every person who does evil ... but glory and honour and well-being for every one who does good ... For God shows no partiality. (Romans 2:6-11)

[boomer70]

Hi Daniel, I was just curious to know if you attempted to contact Dr. Evans before you did this video/book and to him retract or correct what you have interpreted as an error?

Greg Laurie has a saying, "There will be two suprises when we get to heaven. One is that people that you thought wouldn't make it would. Second, you'll be there." Now that's grace.

[defendingthegospel1]

Yes I did. Google: Letter to Tony Evans

[ShotDva]

The Great thing about God is that he judges us By our hearts. no matter what you think he sees what we cant see. carnal CHRISTIAN have accepted christ you dont know whats in there heart or what caused them to act the way they do but God does.

[defendingthegospel1]

In the same way we can determine a tree's type we can know what's in a person's heart.

Jesus said it this way in Matt 7:18, 20: "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

One can not have a heart that is right before God and at the same time demonstrate that they hate Him through evil works.

[defendingthegospel1]

Further, God does not judge us by our hearts. He judges according to works.

Jesus said it this way in Matt 16:27: "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."

I know your sentiment gives hope to those who refuse to serve God in their works as if our hearts can be right toward God and our works be wrong.

[born2inform]

Spiritual maturity. Our brother Evans is coming from a mature spiritual position. Zac 4:6 God bless

[rjackson06]

It took me a minute, but you are attacking Dr. Evans but isn't eternal security a consistent doctrinal position by most Baptists? Please explain.

[defendingthegospel1]

An excellent question rjackson. Thanks! First, I'm not attacking "eternal security" per se. I am addressing an issue much deeper than this. I am addressing Evans' faulty understanding of the atonement and grace which lead to his extreme "Eternal Security" postion.

Second, many denominations teach "eternal security," BUT all "eternal security" doctrines are not created equal.

For instance, many godly men have held the to the doctrine, but none hold the same version that Evans does.

[defendingthegospel1]

Men like DL Moody held to "eternal security," but also taught that if a professing Christian was reprobate, a drunkard etc that they were never saved. He taught that salvation always produces fruit.

Evans does not. He teaches that a Christian may be a complete reprobate and yet be welcomed into paradise when his days of heedless carnality are over.

There is a world of difference between the two positions. Evans' is not historical or scriptural.

[ermharri]

I guess i feel that this is a "moot point" when you look at thee argument from both sides. I believe that many christians will receive eternal life regardless of their take of eternal secuirty, (which is the main point of this video). The bigger question becomes whether a person was truly saved to begin with / 1 John 2:19

[jscmoto34]

I'll try not to use caps , as not to, "look like a nut." I think that what needs to be said to both sides on this issue is, 1> God expects your obedience, commands it even. 2> If you don't truly love God, you won't keep His word. 3> YES, we ALL fall short, I must die daily. If you fall, His grace is there to get back up, not abuse. 4> If you have your 'pet' sin, that is abuse of it, and you are in danger of being given over to a reprobate mindset. His grace is not a get outta Hell free card.

[jscmoto34]

I would like to think that you have misquoted, or maybe Dr. Evans had misspoken. However, lets delve in a little further shall we?? If I am not mistaken every man has to work out his own salvation, correct?? If that is so then it is MY responsibility to study (to show myself approved??), correct?? If someone is too lazy, or ignorant as it were, to check the pastor and his message? So,I do see your point and don't agree with "once in grace, always in grace" either.

[bigphade]

the bible is pretty simple.. Trust in Jesus.. its funny how much you 'know' but really don't..

you can have the bible memorized and cross reference scriptures with more scriptures and so on and not have Jesus..

Evans preaches Jesus.. you are completely wrong with this video..

God made it simple with Jesus..

[defendingthegospel1]

Yes...Jesus is the answer. However, the scriptures warn of those who abuse the grace of Christ. Evans is such an abuser.

Evans' "carnal Christian" dogma is an unhistorical, antiscriptural fantasy. This is not a sectarian view either. Luther dubbed those who held such views of grace as antinomians.

From the Ante-Nicene Fathers to the Westminster and Baptist Confessions no carnal Christian dogma may be found. From Luther to Arminius to Calvin no carnal Christian dogma may be found.

[defendingthegospel1]

Rather than promising paradise (as Evans does) to those who reject Jesus by living in selfish, carnal indulgence, Paul promised them another destiny:

"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." Rom 8:13

To you and Evans I ask:

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived..." 1 Cor 6:9

Evans is not faithful to biblical Christianity. Don't be duped any longer.

[jnfr54]

In your video you begin with saying how great Tony Evans is and how he's helped you some with his teachings on family values and what not... And I understand totaly your point and you do make a good point, I just think you are going about it in the wrong way. Bringing on too many arguments (as I read some of the comments listed)

[chprice458]

I believe that there will be Homosexuals in heaven that just like the Alcoholic have struggled with sin, but do completely believe as the Bible says we are to do, on the Lord Jesus Christ and the fact that His Grace, His Blood is sufficient enough for me and you and all others.

[defendingthegospel1]

And you say that I don't know what I'm talking about! Please.

Sorry to disappoint, but homosexuals will not be in heaven nor will alcoholics...read Gal. 5, Eph 5, 1 Cor 6 or Rev 21.

And those who "believe as the bible says" (as you say) are not homosexuals or drunks. One can not be practicing sin and biblical faith at the same time. Read Read James 2 or 1 Jn 3.

Sorry, but I had to block you. I don't have time to debate such foolishness.

[chprice458]

If you only really knew what you were talking about! Tony Evans is very Biblical and trustworthy in all he preaches. He is one of few that are.

[bbshopboy]

It's not your job to tell people that somebody is saying or doing something wrong.

I HATE when people do that. Would Jesus complain about someone else??? Way to set an example CHRISTIAN!!! You look fake to me!!

[defendingthegospel1]

Thanks for the thoughts bbshopboy! Would Jesus complain about someone else you ask. Do you really have to ask that? Do you read the bible? I assure you, I am being generous to Tony Evans in comparison to how Jesus spoke to the super star religious teachers of His day.

Jude 3 tells us to "contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." Paul told us in Rom 16:17 to "mark them" who speak contrary to sound doctrine.

It is my job and yours too. Read your bible.

[atlr14]

I've used everyone of those same verses before to defend the fact that you can lose salvation. That was until the truth stared me in the face. We all know devils don't believe in the HEARTS!! Poor argument. Of course they know Christ is Christ, but never trusted him for salvation. Resurrection of LIFE n DEATH, r u saying is based on "DOING GOOD OR BAD?" THAT'S WORKS. EPH 2:10 destroys that!!! We OVERCOME by being born again, which is by BELIEVING (our FAITH) 1John5:4. Read Titus 3:4.

[defendingthegospel1]

Hello again atlr14. Your notes are so caustic. This doesn't lend credibility to your posts, but detracts. Constant screaming via all caps and extreme use of exclamation points just makes you appear to be a nut-which I'm sure you're not.

I'll give my perspective on two issues:

1) The notion that one Divinely inspired passage of scripture "destroys" (as you believe) another Divinely inspired passage.

-continued-

[defendingthegospel1]

2)That the word "faith" as used toward devils is a "poor argument" because "Of course they know Christ is Christ."

Now, regarding 1) you make (imo) a fundemental error. You pit one passage against another and of course the "winner" conveys the position you prefer.

As I understand it, the proper way to reach a conclusion is not to "destroy" one text with another, but to embrace all passages that address the subject and come to a conclusion that harmonizes them all.

-continued-

[defendingthegospel1]

The texts that I quoted aren't at war with "by faith" and "believe" texts. They are all different facets of the same diamond.

2) your comment "Poor argument. Of course they know Christ is Christ.." betrays only a superficial (if any) understanding of the texts in question.

"They know Christ is Christ" conveys the idea that you think that devils had merely intellectual assent to facts, but that followers of Christ really "believe" or as you put it "believe in the HEARTS!!"

-continued-

[defendingthegospel1]

I'll simply point out that the word "believe" as used in James 2:19:

"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

is the same orginal Greek word for "believe" that Paul used in Romans 10:9:

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

same word-both passages, so how do we know what is saving faith?

-continued-

[defendingthegospel1]

We know by works, as James put it in James 2:18:

"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works."

Or as Paul put it in Gal 5:6:

"For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

-continued-

[pinch100]

Daniel,

You are correct. I apologize for any misrepresentation on my part. I read your open letter to Dr. Evans, and was impressed with its content. I anxiously await a response by Dr. Evans. I was slightly taken aback by the constant reminder to buy your book. I mean no disrespect, but it appears that the reward you seek is in the form of truth and book sales. I am truly not trying to offend; I understand you are willing to 'give' the book away to prove your point. I shall read on. God Bless

[pinch100]

Tony Evans is not a false teacher. We are flesh; sinners by nature from our mothers womb. We strive to keep sin from our lips and our lives, and live in the Spirit. This not always the case for the majority of humans.

Dr. Evans definition of carnal christian is correct. Remember, the healthy have no need for a physician. I have never heard Dr. Evans state that you can trample, spit, or curse the name of the Lord-and still make it to His paradise. I listen/read his works regularly.

[defendingthegospel1]

Thanks for the comment pinch! Because you, personally, have not heard or read something does that necessarily mean that it was never said? Certainly not. Second, you accuse me of misrepresenting Evans by saying that he uses the terms "trample, spit, or curse the name of the Lord." In this, however, you misrepresent me. Where have I ever said this of Evans? Nowhere.

-continued-

[defendingthegospel1]

Evans' "carnal Christian' dogma is unhistorical and antiscriptural. This is not a sectarian view either. Luther himself dubbed those who held such views of grace as antinomians.

From the Ante-Nicene Fathers to the Westminster Confession and the Baptist Confession of 1689 no carnal Christian dogma may be found. From Martin Luther to James Arminius or John Calvin no carnal Christian dogma may be found.

_continued_

[defendingthegospel1]

From Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield to John Wesley or Charles Finney no carnal Christian dogma may be found. Tony Evans' carnal Christian is not true.

Pinch- Do you really believe that all of these teachers from all of these varied backgrounds got it wrong on such a foundational issue, but Tony and those of his DTS ilk got it right?

No way.

Google: Open Letter To Tony Evans

You will find 20 pages debunking this myth including direct quotes w/ source information.

[atlr14]

This is the oldest debate in religion. It boils down to salvation by WORKS or GRACE. My bible teaches I'm saved by GRACE not WORKS. Chop it up any way you want to, if God offers salvation that I have to pay for IN ANY WAY it's not grace, it's payment for my WORKS. Quit giving scenarios, and look at the facts! ALL SIN IS EQUAL, we are guilty of breaking the ENTIRE LAW when we sin, not individual laws. Read your bibles, c'mon people!! Works or Grace, can't be both.

[ningrlpwr]

you are exactly right. Don't give up your position to the attempts of disillusionment this man's false doctrine.

[RealityTheTruth]

The problem is not with Tony Evans or you defendingthegospel the problem is with the so called average Christian! I would bet that 90 percent of church goers have not fully read the Bible. We place too much faith in teachers, preachers and you tube. The bible says "study to show thy self approved." How can one call himself a Christian who doesnt partake of the road map of God which is His word!!!!!!

[discipulo123]

i`m totally w/ you DEFENDINGTHEGOSPEL. ive been a loyal listener of Toni Evans, i dont think he deliberately preach this to destroy but definetily is misleading people.

definition of salvation is been debated for so long. there is no such thing as carnal christians. it is a free ticket to sin.

instead the book of John says "whoever practice sin is born from the devil, whos born from God practice no sin" we are either saved or not saved but nothing in between whoever is carnal needs to be saved

[rona3006]

Dr. Tony Evans is a great speaker and knows his Bible. How many there are who seek to disprove those who can lead. "...there is a way that seems right unto man, but the end there of is destruction...", to me this describes those who seek to undo the work of God, all in the guise of thinking they are Doing the work, not so

[defendingthegospel1]

If that is what you think rona then you don't really know all that Evans teaches or you don't understand the bible. Evans teaches that, a professing Christian headed for eternal paradise may: "be a drug addict," a "homosexual," "bathe in sin," "reject the Christian faith" or even "adopt Satan's lifestyle." and yet be saved. Do you really think this describes the teaching of someone who knows the bible?

[americants]

A man can't do enough good work to pay his way to Heaven and even after committing yourself to Christ it is probable you will sin many more times before you die, no matter how small the sin. This is what is meant by "sin nature", the blood of Christ effectively paid the toll for all sins committed by those who choose to receive the soul saving gift he gave us. A Christian who gives in to sin repeatedly is what Dr. Evans calls "carnal"'relating to or given to crude bodily pleasures and appetites'

[Dustan19]

"He saved us from both. We have the HOLY SPIRIT within every true believer to stop from sinning. When we choose to be lead by the HOLY SPIRIT. If we do not, then we are lead by our sin nature. Therein, lies the debate."

You can't stop towing the party line long enough to realize how utterly contradictory your comments are...How can a person be Spirit Filled and led by a sinful nature? Nothing has 2 natures! Ridiculous neo-theology! Those who name the name must walk the walk!

[drycreekvideo]

But I should bear witness through my life..?

You see here is a Christian saying bearing witness with his life is optional! Polluted theology...Anyone who is following Jesus must bear fruit or they will bring reproach...there is no middle ground nor is there an option of holiness! I am deeply saddened at how successful the Lie has been in my generation. Friends, take up your cross and follow Jesus without compromise!

[giancarlofloridia]

wow nice idea for a ministry lets put down other christians ...

[defendingthegospel1]

Putting down others and testing the teaching of others are two different things. The scriptural mandate for testing teaching in the church is plain for any who desire to understand it.

[zfxman02]

Hi,

new blogger here. What I see is a huge confusion and tear in the body of Christ. (choosing sides as to who is right and who is not) It doesn't surprise me though since similar disputes are found in scripture as well. Scripture reveals that salvation is eternal. Also, scripture shows that not all who confess Jesus will be saved. I ask that instead of judging on what other men have determined, you examine the scriptures yourselves, and let the Spirit convict you of the truth.

[defendingthegospel1]

"Judging on what other men have determined," as you say, is a scriptural mandate (particularly if a man sets himself up as a teacher of others).

Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not Titus 1:9-11

[zfxman02]

I don't disagree with what you say. Allow me to reprhase my argument. We should not depend on other men's conclusions as our source of justification alone (which is what I am seeing here). Rather we should seek to be convicted by the Spirit of what is true. That is my argument. When the Spirit convicts you of the truth, then you are able to stand firm in what you believe.

[neoi78]

Everyone, remember the Seed Parable.. a seed can be recieved, but then choak out! If you don't carry your cross everyday... your going to be doing what the world wants you to. We must kill ourselves, everyday, for the sake of Christ. If that guy doesn't wanna make money, give away the book. I know he needs to make a living, but thats keepin it real. Later

(20 year old Male)

[SelfAccountable]

Jesus died once. Therefore, salvation, once attained, is eternal.

Yes -- Christians can fall away, and they receive earthly misery and judgment from God for doing so.

Yes -- it is a possible for a person to commit terrible sins -- yet having earlier in their life committed to Christ.

Salvation is eternal and based on faith alone -- NOT WORKS!

[GospelPilgrim]

Typical regurgitation of pop theology. Not historical (if your even interested). Not scriptural. Attempt to approach scripture as if you've never heard Evans (or those like him). "Faith alone" is not even in scripture. The only time "Faith alone" appears together its in the negative. "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." James 2:24

[SelfAccountable]

Jesus states in Jn.10:27-30: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall anyone pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.

This is CERTAINLY NOT "POP THEOLOGY" - it is Biblical. I don't need to be 're-saved' every time I commit a sin. But I should bear witness through my life.

[defendingthegospel1]

Yes it is pop theology and I don't recall saying anyone needed to be resaved. You quote Jn.10:27-30 as if it said: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish WHETHER THEY FOLLOW ME OR NOT.

The great error w/ modern teaching on sin and salvation is that we imagine that Jesus came to save us IN sin rather than FROM it. We quote passages that seem to confirm such preconceptions and ignore all others that speak to the same topic.

[Ajntb2Sli]

He saved us from both. We have the HOLY SPIRIT within every true believer to stop from sinning. When we choose to be lead by the HOLY SPIRIT. If we do not, then we are lead by our sin nature. Therein, lies the debate.

[defendingthegospel1]

Yes, as you wrote: "Jesus died once," but the scriptural conclusion to that premise is the opposite of yours. Consider:

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Heb 10:26-27

[Ajntb2Sli]

Jesus died once for all. we still live with a sin nature. We also have God the Holy Spirit living within us. Christians must choose to deny themselves, and be lead by the Spririt. This is a moment by moment decision. Yet, after producing fruit, and then fall away (i.e, live in sin, Carnality, live in the world, Satan's lifestyle) we still have the Holy Spirit to convict us of our sin to come back. Those who don't come back, then I would question if they were ever Christians.

[drycreekvideo]

Ajntb2Sli you said..."if you take the Bible into context, then you will know that this man here deceives..."

Can you tell me the three basic methods of interpreting Scripture???

What this man is exposing is the error of a so-called Christ follower continuing in sin without suffering judgment from God. If you truly believe that someone can call themselves a Christian and live a sinful life then you are in grave error...DANGEROUS!!! Like Dr. Evans' Soteriology my friend!!!

[Ajntb2Sli]

Salvation is by grace, not works. If your continually working on keeping your salvation, then you make a mockery of Jesus' death on the cross. He set you free from that. There is plenty of scripture that supports eternal security. You do not understand what Dr. Evans speaks. By the way, I believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible.

[bettyysamy]

This dude is WRONG. I personally am not a Calvinist. I a belive Follower of Jesus as Ron Luce would say, but in the Wesleyan doctrinal heretiage. My denomination is a Wesleyan-Armanian in doctrine but we wouln't call our Calvinist bros false. That isn't a Cardinal dcotrine as The Trinity, the diety of Jesus or salvation by faith alone. Dr. Evans belives all these. Someone like T.D. Jakes is a false he deosn't believe in the Trinity he dinies it that is False. Dr. Evans isn't.

[defendingthegospel1]

Tony Evans is not a Calvinist, that you describe him as such demonstrates no understanding of the doctrines of Calvinism or of Tony Evans. What...the doctrines of salvation are not cardinal doctrines, but the trinity is? Wrong again Betty. Read Jude or Rev 2 to learn the biblical perspective on those who promise paradise to the carnal.

[drycreekvideo]

Samy,

It sounds like you have a goofy doctrinal heritage if you can't determine between what is core theology and what isn't! T.D. & Dr. T both have dubious doctrinal stances and you seem to be equally as confused as they are! Your statements are very confusing...

[Dustan19]

Ajntb2Sli, Do you realize what you are saying? Have you really read the Bible for yourself? I have preached the gospel on 4 continents and studied the Bible for more than 2 decades, this man is trying to reveal truth to you and you are simply refusing to listen objectively.

[Ajntb2Sli]

Yes, I realize for what I say. I also have studied the Bible, and I have been a Christian for many years spreading God's word. What this man is saying about Tony Evans is false. What Evans preaches IS scriptural. If this man reads the Bible like he claims he has, he will see the truth.

[Ajntb2Sli]

Do not listen to this man. For he is the true heretic. I did not hear anything wrong with Tony Evans, or Lutzer or Swindoll. This man is a heretic. Test the spirts.

[Ajntb2Sli]

What's wrong with it? Tony Evans is absolutely correct. This man is the REAL deceiver. All of these Theologians he mentions are right. This guy is a false prophet.

[GospelPilgrim]

Tony Evans teaches that a professing Christian headed for eternal paradise may: "bathe in sin," "reject the Christian faith" or even "adopt Satan's lifestyle." That you can't see the problem here is frightening. Perhaps the Lord could use the book, "The Lying Promise: Testing the gospel according to Tony Evans, Chuck Swindoll and Erwin Lutzer" to open your blinded eyes.

[Ajntb2Sli]

if you take the Bible into context, then you will know that this man here decieves. Tony Evans is right on this. Read it for yourself.

[GospelPilgrim]

Okay...I said that Evans teaches that, "a professing Christian headed for eternal paradise may: "bathe in sin," "reject the Christian faith" or even "adopt Satan's lifestyle." And you said, "Tony Evans is right." So you think its biblical to teach that we may adopt Satan's lifestyle and be welcomed into paradise?

[Ajntb2Sli]

Your not understanding what Dr. Evans is saying. IF your in "the world", your adopting satan's lifestyle. If you backslide, it means your living in sin. Your still a believer, your just not living in God's will. Once you are "sealed" with the Holy Spirit, He cannot be taken away. It's eternal.

[GospelPilgrim]

You did not answer my question. Tony Evans' carnal christian dogma is posted on his website. It is unmistakable. Again, these are direct quotes: Evans teaches that a Christian may "bathe in sin," "reject the Christian faith" or "adopt Satan's lifestyle." Again, you said: "Tony Evans is right." Again, if Evans is "right" , as you say,(here's the question again) you think its biblical to teach that we may adopt Satan's lifestyle and be welcomed into paradise?

[brodaniel1]

Excellent message, that needs to be heard more

[valiantredhorse]

Wow...I don't know what to say...

[Dustan19]

Compelling! Controversial! Completely on-target!

[drycreekvideo]

This needs to be viewed by all Christians and "The Lying Promise" is a very timely read for our generation!