WHAT IF.....you knew what you were talking about. No! No! wait, then you would be a christian.You are so full of yourself and ignorant.I would tell that I will pray for you ,but that would offend you more than anything else I,v said,so I just want to say that Jesus still love's you.
I know you said this isn't to be taken too seriously, but I want to comment on some stuff. Time is an aspect of the universe. No universe=no time. So it's isn't like God was dwelling in this universe for a long time. He wasn't part of it, so you can't speak of time. You also mentioned God's birthday, which date was just created by the catholics without any evidence or any kind of certainty. Anyway, you almost made that right by the talking asses pun ;-)
@vincentjdrummer There is a difference between "time" and "space time"...without the universe, there is no "space time" for THIS universe. This is what "relativity" is all about. There is time as it affects you, and time as it affects something else. If God were in a position that was "without time" then he couldn't be able to do one think before or after another thing. How can something happen in a sequence without TIME for it to happen?
@KingHeathen I just believe that God goes beyond this universe and talking about what God was doing all that time includes our preconceptions about how time, space and action works as we know it. We can't know how a non-universe could work, so talking about what God did even seems weird to me, because we really can't know if we can even talk about "doing". All I know (believe) is that from the beginning of this world on there was a sequence of time, but speaking of before, doesn't make sense
@vincentjdrummer Even if God was not part of this time frame, he would have to be parallel in order to interact with ours. Without a time frame, he would simply do everything at once. Considering God didn't have the foresight to know that man would disobey him and build the tower of Babel, that means God is either tied to our timeline, or his timeline hadn't seen the tower being built before the flood.
Basically, God would have his own timeline, but he would still be restrained to time.
What if christianity is a test, an d by agreeing to have an innocent person taken off the street, severly beaten, then put to death to pay for YOUR sins, and then futher by agreeing to seal the deal by pretending to eat the dead mans flesh and drink his blood, every sunday,
YOU FAIL THE TEST AND SHOW WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU REALLY ARE?
Before I call it a night, let me explain how these articles pertain...Well, if you reference the paragraph I wrote prior about the universe continuously expanding from a state of singularity (evidence of cosmology), this is a direct reference to that statement (don't worry I have more).
@BeStill85 nothing you've posted here counters what I've already tried to point out to you. EVERYTHING you have posted here already fits what I was already aware of and your attempt at a conclusion confirmed my suggestion that you DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!
The expansion of the singularity says NOTHING about what was BEFORE the singularity This is what EVERY astrophysicist will tell you. You aren't qualified to give any lessons over about a 3rd grade level (at best)
Singularity doesn't expand you inbreed, it is the state at which the universe began. You just told me that what I was talking about was a lie, you are retarded. Its like arguing with a 5 year old. You can sit here and act like you were right all along, but at the end of the day my paycheck talks louder than yours. So when you get home from work, clean the smell of McDonalds french fries off of yourself and make another gay YouTube video you faggot.
@BeStill85 LOL...and like so many before you...the "loving Christian" ends up slinging insults when they can't back up their claims.
On top of that, you don't know that the Big Bang IS the expansion of the singularity apparently...so you have completed your confirmation that you simply DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! We are done. You are just an intolerant, immature, religious bigot. Please grow up.
Oh, and "your paycheck?" Go to my 200th video and see what I drive.
Reference: (Eddington, Arthur. The Expanding Universe: Astronomy's 'Great Debate', 1900-1931. Press Syndicate of the University of Cambridge, 1933.) for the last 2 paragraphs. I will go a little further into detail tommorrow.
While special relativity constrains objects in the universe from moving faster than the speed of light with respect to each other, there is no such theoretical constraint when space itself is expanding. It is thus possible for two very distant objects to be moving away from each other at a speed greater than the speed of light (meaning that one cannot be observed from the other). The size of the observable universe could thus be smaller than the entire universe.
The metric expansion of space---- is the averaged increase of metric distance between distant objects in the universe with time. It is an intrinsic expansion—that is, it is defined by the relative separation of parts of the universe and not by motion "outward" into preexisting space. (In other words, the universe is not expanding "into" anything outside of itself). Metric expansion is a key feature of Big Bang cosmology and is modeled mathematically with the FLRW metric.
Another theoretical approach that deals with the issue is that of multiverse theories - predicting a large number of "parallel" universes, possibly with different laws of physics and/or values of fundamental constants. Again, the anthropic principle states that we can only live in one of the universes that is compatible with some form of intelligent life. (This is the point you were suppose to argue, not that my information was false). ( "Parallel Universes". Scientific American.)
the cosmological constant was proposed by Albert Einstein as a modification of his original theory of general relativity to achieve a stationary universe. Einstein abandoned the concept after the observation of the Hubble redshift indicated that the universe might not be stationary, as he had based his theory on the idea that the universe is unchanging.
please reference;
(Lisa Dyson, Matthew Kleban, Leonard Susskind: "Disturbing Implications of a Cosmological Constant")
General relativity or the general theory of relativity is the geometric theory of gravitation published by Albert Einstein in 1915. It is the current description of gravitation in modern physics. It generalises special relativity and Newton's law of universal gravitation, providing a unified description of gravity as a geometric property of space and time, or spacetime.
to view this documentation, please reference; (Einstein 1917, cf. Pais 1982, ch. 15e.)
Ah the fine tuned argument please that isn't proof in the bible moses, peter, paul, abraham, and job got real proof they got to see god or his angels but further on in the bible it says no one has seen god but that isn't the point the point is until atheist get that kinda proof we arn't going to believe in your mythology there is no hard evidence in your sadistic deity. anything + no physical evidence = non exsistance
Science is at a point in time, where it leans toward a creator, until the most recent evidence can be rebuttled by evidence that leans away from one. Many Atheists say that scientific facts support their beliefs, and that is why they deny a creator. The problem is that science does not support the Atheistic rhetoric, so that claim is not valid.
Everything in the universe just happens to be situated in a very precise way in order for life to be possible. If the force of gravity was changed even 1 inch, it would destroy most life forms. gravity is just 1 out of 30 conditions that had to be perfect. So yes, perfection.
@BeStill85 This is an utterly false statement. You need no further proof than SPACE TRAVEL to know that. And like this one, all of your other 29 conditions will also be proven to have plenty of margin for adjustment and if they were different you'd be claiming that the new setting is the one that MUST be. We live on a planet that humans can't inhabit 75% of. Yet it was made for us? This is all confirmation bias.
@KingHeathen How is this a false statement? Do your research on the Cosmology, Cosmological Constant and Einstines Theory of General Relativity, These are "statements" they are scientific facts. For you to say they are false, tells me that you have not done enough research to engage in a debate wih me. We are beyond this point in the Theist VS Atheist argument. I will give you an opportunity to catch up, so research those 2 criteria, the Kalam Argument, When you get to the Cambrian Explosion...
And to the degree of perfection that the universe is calibrated, is like believing that everything you own just poof, came out of nowhere. Kind of like magic. So basically, you deny creation so you can follow magic? The best part is, you don't even believe in a magician...how does that work?
@KingHeathen Cosmological Constant: Describes the expansion speed of the universe. It is set up so perfectly that it allows material objects to be formed. It is fined tune to the ratio of 1 out of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chance. which is comparable to 1 atom in the entire known universe. the universe has been balanced by an extremely precise set of laws & constants.
@BeStill85 And you've yet to provide any evidence to support anything you claim. You are correct, without that, there is nothing to discuss...just your assertions.
@KingHeathen Grab an Encylcopedia, its in there. I am not interested in providing complimentary education lessons. If you don't understand the basic design of the universe you live in, there is no way you will be able to keep pace. You will simply compare these facts to completely irrelevant and unrelated examples such as space travel vs universal gravitational calibration. A space ship has absolutely 0 relativity on the cosmological structure.
@KingHeathen hahaha ok, so then we will play this your way. Never had to explain this to an atheist before, they usually already know. This may take quite some time, so I will post a little bit every day. Every post will be complete with a reference to the material that you can research to verify the accuracy of the information I will be providing you. This will be for verification purposes, so you don't feel the need to deny scientific facts (we already know you don't follow scientology)
Well, good question. My religion does not believe that no one created God. We believe he was also once a being himself, who had to go through a life of his own in order to be a God. Then he was capable of creating and populating worlds of his own. Now you also have to look at Scientific alternatives. It is difficult for me to believe that everything just "happened". Computers didn't just assemble themselves, matches don't walk over to the matchbox & light themselves, its just improbable.
You say why doesn't he show God anymore? Well, when Jesus died on the cross to redeem us from satan, He did it once and for all; for all people, all nations, in all the world (John 3:16) never to have to repeat this act again. He said in John 19:30, "It is finished". What more do we need when we know that God put it in our hearts to worship Him? When He said it is finished, that means we don't need visual aids to help us to believe (Hebrews.10:6-12,16).
@Jetx48 Sorry, but you are wrong on your scripture here...Need I remind you that it was AFTER Jesus' death that we have Paul on the Road to Damascus receiving his vision? Apparently, there WAS more still required. How about John's vision for Revelation?
Not to mention that there are plenty of OTHER religious texts to claim their "truth" as well.
Obviously, the question "what was the big bang doing before it exploded" is somewhat ridiculous, but it was also rhetorical, and just proves how illogical the "What did God do before the beginning?" question is. It assumes that God had to sit and wait for things to happen, which would prove that He isn't "eternal" but rather that He's trapped inside time like the rest of us. It's a clear example of trying to put the Creator inside the creation.
@swordsman468 Actually, you are still getting it wrong. "What was the mass-energy that made up the Big Bang doing before the Big Bang?" is a perfectly legitimate question and several scientists are working on ideas for that. String theory, Big Bang/Big Crunch, and other ideas have been proposed but we currently don't have the means to measure any of that to know if any of it is true or false.
@KingHeathen Naturalists solve the issue of "where did mass-energy come from" by suggesting that matter is eternal OR that it had a finite beginning. In either case, you run into a problem explaining the ORIGIN. It still comes back to my original answer: God wasnt subject to time; thus, He wasnt waiting around for the universe to begin, like our concept of time would suggest. Time is a property of the universe that God created, and time did not exist before the beginning of the universe.
@swordsman468 Take what you just said...replace "Naturalists" with "theists" and "mass-energy" with "god."
Making the assertion that "God is outside of time" ignores that he does things before and after each other. PROVE your god isn't affected by time. If that is your position, then explain how he does anything in any chronological order.
@KingHeathen It looks as though we agree on a key issue: someone waiting around for things to happen cannot be any kind of god. The Christian faith teaches that God created the universe and everything IN it. Time is a property of the universe He created. The fact that He is at liberty to introduce an event into the universe at a finite point in time does not mean that He Himself is limited by time.
@KingHeathen The summarization of your video seemed to be "a god waiting around before the creation couldn't/doesn't exist" ... I was just saying how we agree on that part, because the God I believe in (the Christian God) doesn't fit that description.
@swordsman468 I say "a god...doesn't exist." It has nothing to do with whether or not he'd be waiting around. BUT, to say he is not associated with time at all negates the idea that your god can do anything. It's YOUR idea of god that is logically impossible. You god must first decide to create the universe. Then he can create it. He can not create it UNTIL he's made that decision. So how much time went by before he made that decision?
@KingHeathen Your basis for the argument against a god comes from the position of asking what He did before the creation, to which I agreed that such a god couldn't exist. If someone/something is trapped by time, he/she/it doesn't qualify as a god. Time didn't exist before God created it. Asking "what did God do before the creation" is like asking "how much time can pass before time exists?"
@swordsman468 I didn't say he was "trapped" by time...maybe your God can travel back and forth through time and that's how me makes his predictions or something...I don' t know...but if your god does one thing and then does another...he's operating within time. I disagree with your entire premise of your last question as time doesn't "begin" to exist. Our SPACE-TIME can...but time is separate. Again, time is a measurement. Einstein called it the 4th dimension. Does "length" begin to exist?
@KingHeathen It seems to me that your opinion is: God cannot introduce an event into the passage of time unless He is subjected to the limitations of time. In other words, He is either eternal OR He can operate in a chronological order, but the two can't be true simultaneously. It's an opinion you are certainly free to hold, but it doesn't reflect the Christian faith.
@swordsman468 Wrong...that's not what I'm saying at all. He can be eternal AND operate in a chronological order. In fact, to be eternal would intrinsically REQUIRE that he operate chronologically....at least to some extent (time travel again being an exception). The point I'm getting at, that you keep missing, is that if he did ANYTHING first, and ANYTHING second...then he's operating with a structure of time. So the first thing he ever did was make the creation or think about it?
@KingHeathen If we're thinking in terms of a timeline then the first thing He did was create the universe. To ask "what did God do before that," we'd first have to ask the preliminary question: can God be in a state of existence in which there is no time? If NO, then I would agree with you that, if God exists, He was waiting around for an infinite amount of time before creation. If YES, then I'd suggest that the original question "what did God do before the question" is an invalid question.
@KingHeathen I didn't say God never decided to create the universe. What I'm saying is, there wasn't necessarily a separation of time between deciding to create the universe and creating it. That doesn't mean that they happened at the SAME time, but rather, that time didn't even exist until it was created. Therefore, the concept of chronological order couldn't exist until God created time.
@KingHeathen One could argue that God had to eventually decide to create the universe before creating it. I would also say, however, that it's possible that there was no passage of time between the decision to create and the creation. This isn't because the two events occurred at the same time, but rather, there is just no concept of chronology if God is in a state without the existence of time.
@swordsman468 You are still missing it. OK, so God decides to create the universe. How long did he think about it? Since you refuse to address this question head on, let's just say he did it in 1/1000000 of a second. So we have God creates time and then a split second later he decides to create the universe and a split second later he does create it. Do you accept this as a HYPOTHETICAL time line for the events?
@KingHeathen I don't believe I was missing anything, and I've been facing the question head-on since we started. I believe God created time, space, and matter (mass-energy) simultaneously. The possibility that God had to decide to create something before creating it doesn't mean that any time passed before the creation; because time didn't exist.
Hey, in response to what God did before the creation: the Bible opens with "In the beginning..." I could be wrong but I think if anything was before that, it wouldn't be the beginning. Maybe I'm wrong about my faith, hypothetically, but my God isn't sitting around waiting for things to happen: "time" is part of the creation, and it doesn't trap Him. Oh and off point: does anybody ever tell you that you resemble Dwight Schrute? Not trying to be disrespectful, just lighthearted.
@swordsman468 The question is simple...if God created the universe at that point...but didn't exist himself prior to that...then who/what created "God"? The normal reply is "God is eternal." That means he was there BEFORE "the beginning" which means he had to have been doing SOMETHING...and that is where your response falls apart.
@KingHeathen I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the phrase "the beginning." There IS no "before" ... otherwise it wouldn't be "the beginning." I would argue that God wasn't sitting around waiting for things to happen, before time began. The creation marked the beginning of time itself, in which case God didn't have to WAIT for it. I'm not really sure why it's so hard to grasp. We're more limited by time than He is.
I understand clearly what you are saying. Unfortunately, it's complete nonsense. Time doesn't start, stop, begin, end, or anything. Time may be "relative" but it is ONLY a unit of MEASUREMENT.
To further clarify, think about this: How long had time begun before God existed? Or did God exist "before" time began? If it was "before"...HOW LONG before?
To understand relativity, an inch is an inch long...but if all matter expanded 2X, then all rulers are now twice as long.
@KingHeathen A "Day," "week," etc, are units of measurement. Time is not. I refer you to Merriam-Webster for a definition of time: " a nonspatial continuum that is measured in terms of events which succeed one another from past through present to future." The conventional theory of the universe states that time, space and matter came into existence simultaneously, so the atheist's picture of the "big bang" has the same issues regarding "where did ___ come from" as the Christians.
@swordsman468 That's like saying "An inch, a foot, etc are units of measurement. Distance is not.
As to your false understanding of the "conventional theory of the universe..." SPACE TIME (time as it is relevant to our space) and OUR UNIVERSE as we know it (not matter as mass-energy is a constant and each state is interchangeable) came to be at the same point.
@KingHeathen Distance (like time) isnt a unit of measurement; it's a degree of separation. I think you're confused between what a unit of measurement IS and what you're measuring. And I don't believe I was wrong on the conventional origins theory. I said that time, space & matter share the same point of origin, which is a summarization of what the Oxford Dictionary of Physics (2001) says on pg 38. Question: what was the Big Bang doing for billions of years while it was waiting to explode?
Time has no meaning when it comes to eternity, so there was not even a microsecond before the beginning as we know it. SO...What was your Big Bang doing before it decided "You know what, I'm going to explode now" What about a billion years before that? For a big bang to happen, time had to have always existed. Where is the ridiculous, stupidest, cheese ball, made up example of a god, the flying spaghetti monster bible?? Show us that, and we will consider agnosticism to it!!
@ironman197268 Great comment except you forgot two important parts..."as we know it" and "before it decided"...
"as we know it" deals with the fact that we don't know what the universe was like prior to the Big Bang. So there is plenty of speculation of what it would have been like.
"Before it decided" shows how little you understand about scientific processes as the "Big Bang" can't "decide" ANYTHING!
@KingHeathen I've heard plenty say it was a big empty space and a dot a trillion times smaller than a BB exploded/expanded, whatever, so... what do you mean you they don't know what happened before the big dud? Even dickard dawkins admits there could be an intelligent designer out there!!
@ironman197268 First off, quote mining is wrong and only serves to make you look dishonest. Dawkins admits there COULD be a designer in the same way I admit there COULD be monkeys flying out of your ass. 2nd, I don't care what "plenty say"...what matters is what science has found. Finally, we have no devices or systems capable of getting any readings of how anything was prior to the Big Bang, so all we can do is speculate about it right now. What part of that was too confusing for you?
As to your questions..As for what God did. Befire he created life as we know it...ZHow do oyu know he wasn't creating other universes? As for him being tired. I don't think it has anything to do with sleep....Its just like working on a porject.Aftera cetain length of time..you needot relax. And think of what to do next. Even @ even if all the gods were rteal. Itwas the most high God who put a stop to it. Its not that God isn't the real God...It the one who is in charge....
Good question...but lets be honest...does it really matter?
By the way, you said, "billions of years."
You forget that time is only a Human thing. God, if you can wrap your mind around it, lives outside of time. Because if he lived with in time, he would be subject to it.
God can exist outside of time. He created time, and the things we use to measure time. That's what Genesis 1:14 talks about. Go read it some time. They are signs for days and years. Here's a thought, what does God need time for? He don't. We humans need it.
By the way, what kind of God would he be if he were bound by time? Not a very good one.
No, Time is measure by the sun and earth, and planets. Which gives us years, months and days. (and seasons) This all, like I said talked about it Genesis 1:24(which by the way was before anyone could have known that) A days time is measure by the earth and sun. (how long it takes the earth to rotate on its axis.)
So how do you measure eternity?
God can do something after he does something, because if he does something here on earth, it is with in time.
So if your god can do something after something else, then we can measure the amount of "time" that took. If he can then go back in time and change things, then he's really doing all things instantly. This leads to one thing and one thing only...
He gave us the things to measure it, wether we observe it or not, time still happens....time brings change...how did we invent that?
its not a cop out...
im not sure on the whol predestination...
if he does know everything and knew before the beginning, and the Bible is right, than its still good of him to try and reach to ppl. even though they wont listen.
"time" doesn't happen. THINGS happen and we use context clues to measure that "time". There is no "time" as an entity...it's just the measurement between two nows. And to make matters worse, it's not even consistent. Thus the Theory of Relativity.
If predestination is real, then there is no point in trying to convince me because I'm either going to agree or not. It's PREDETERMINED. Therefore, no free will. God MADE ME to be an atheist...and who are you to go against God's "plan?"
there are no two nows, unless a period of time in some alter plane is stuck in a continuative pattern. theres a then and now, but no two nows. Just because someones preaching at a church doesnt mean that their ideas are always right. Thats stupid like the catholics giving the pope power.
god did not make you to be an athiest, and though he sees the future and can change it, he likes to watch things set in place. Someday you might have an epiphone and become a good and educated pastor. :)
The then is just a now that has already happened. It doesn't still exist, it used to exist. Just like if I walk from my porch to the street. I measure the distance from where I WAS to where I AM...I'm not still in both places, though. Just clarifying.
And you are right, your god didn't make me an atheist because your god didn't make me because your god doesn't exist.
I believe that action and reaction is something that God can control, but chooses to stand aside and watch how it works. I believe God is fair, and just. I also believe that our population is too big, and we endow it on ourselves to be above all of Gods creation, when in the bible it does not say we are above, just that we are to have dominion. Parents have dominion over kids, does that make them better? No. Anti-christianity is propaganda to give u.s. gov. more spotlight and power.
The image of the sun being stopped in the sky is clearly from the point of view of us here on earth, dinkus.
If all the Gods clubbed together as you suggest then none of them would in fact be true as all deny the existence of the others. As the bible says over and over again that the christian God is a God of love then he wouldn't have been 'messing' with us as you suggest.
Hypothetical (and quite absurd) questioning does not disprove anything.
circular logic from beginning to end....well done. I'd have to think for a good 4 hours to come up with such a well thought out, self-refuting argument.
"What was God doing in the eternity before he created the universe?" Eternity is the state of foreverness, NOT a time frame. Time and 'eternity' can not co-exist in this example. But to answer your question God was 'being happy'. He created the universe (and consiquently time) because he became unhappy because of 'parts of himself'.
1-What was he doing BEFORE the Mormon story? (I assume you are Mormon)
2-not really an answer
3-My Grandfather is dead, yet my father and I still carry on...so why would "God" not existing cause his creation to stop working? The maker of the Hubble telescope is dead...yet the telescope still works!
Its not about the religion...its about the salvation. (For me and those who believe what the Bible says) Its not about what you do, or the order that you do it. Its not about "being good" or giving all your worldly things to those who need it. (though not a bad idea) Its the salvation. We can talk about religion all day long, but its all about the salvation. Its about knowing we do wrong, (no one is perfect)
and God is. Knowing that he just wants to help us with our own mess. Its salvation.
Okay... so theists claim that God is perfect, and he created the world. Here's an error: WHY did God make the universe? If he was perfect, he couldn't have done it by accident. He couldn't have done it because he wanted entertainment, because perfect God never gets bored. A perfect creator god is impossible.
i dont think the sun is the "center" of the solar system. physics isnt my strongest class but i remember something about how the planets and asteriods and comets all pull on the sun but because thier gravity is weaker then the suns the center of gravity that everything in our solar system revolves around is much closer to the sun so it appears as the it all revolves around the sun...this also had to do w/ other stars having planets because the planets would cause a red/blue shift in the star
the sun IS the "center" of the solar system because the planets revolve around it...I didn't say that it didn't move itself. It never moves beyond the planetary orbits, therefore it's still in the "center" just like a single lugnut is in the center section of a tire. Think center vs dead center.
(all this is from the nasa website) You've no doubt heard that Earth revolves around the sun. Well, actually, that's not quite true!
Have you heard the term "center of gravity"? It's a technical-sounding term for something pretty simple. It's the exact center of all the material (that is, mass) that makes up the object. For example, if you have a straight stick, like a ruler or yardstick, there's a place at the middle where you can balance it on your finger. That's its center of gravity.
But the center of gravity may or may not be the point that is exactly in the middle, distance-wise, of the object. Some parts of the object may be heavier (denser) than others. If you have something like a sledge hammer that is heavier on one end than the other, the center of gravity will be much closer to the heavy end than the lighter end.
To get an idea of where the center of gravity is, rest the ends of any object like the ruler or a pencil on one finger from each hand. Slowly move your fingers together without dropping the object. Your fingers will meet underneath the object's center of gravity. You can balance the object on one finger at that special place.
The actual center of gravity could be close to the surface or deep inside, depending on whether the object is flat like a ruler or a dinner plate, or "three-dimensional," like a box or a ball. And if you let the object spin (like when you throw it), it will try to spin about that point.
In the case of the Earth and the sun, both bodies actually revolve, or spin, around the very center of the mass between them. This point is called the "barycenter." Earth and the sun are "connected" by the gravity pulling them together. It's just like the light end and heavy end of the sledge hammer. Compared to the size of the sun, Earth is about like a flea on a cat! So the center of mass between the Earth and the sun is almost--but not quite--the very center of the sun.
In the case of a planet the size of Jupiter, which is 318 times as massive as Earth, the barycenter of Jupiter and the sun is a bit further from the sun's center. So, as Jupiter revolves around the sun, the sun itself is actually revolving around this slightly off-center point, located just outside its surface. Thus, a planet the size of Jupiter will make the sun appear to wobble a tiny bit. This picture shows you that the center of mass and barycenter can be slightly different points.
obviously ghostbirdsama and ghostbirddono are both my accounts they are both just ghostbird with different honorifics it made me stop after i did to many in a row or something i guess so i switched accounts lol
and this has WHAT to do with what we are talking about?
I think you are trying to play a semantics game here and I don't see the point in it....
if you prefer...change it to the sun is in the MIDDLE of the solar system...this allows the sun to wobble and move and remain in the generic region known as "the middle" which covers all of the area inside mercury's orbit. This as it should be compared to the previous notion that the EARTH was in the middle
1. "What was "God" doing before he created the earth?"
I again am not a christian nor a relgious person. But you really need to strengthen your arguments. When the universe was created, it was created when 7 demensions full of matter was spinning and the energy created exploded into the universe we see today as 4 demensions ripped away causing black holes and such. Now Time is a Dimension, your argument is saying that before creation there was TIME. Time was not existent before the creation.
the flaw you think you see is because you aren't including a god functioning prior to that. "Prior to that" is a measure of time, right? Next, "dimension" simply is about measurements. It's not that there wasn't "time" before the Big Bang. There just wasn't time RELATIVE to our universe. This is what the Theory of Relativity is all about.
Example: You have a ruler to measure the dimension of length. Now if your ruler shrunk, you'd still get the measurement of a "foot"
your flaw is that you think that time exists outside of our space time continuum.
we have no clue about was there a "before " the big bang. time is a subjective experience we are experiencing because we are in it, you cant imagine space without time because you were never in that kind of space.
wtf is space anyway,what is outside of our space?
theologically God is outside of our universe, witch means He does not abide to its laws.
I also ask myself the question, Why would it take God 6 days to create the universe? And why did he have to rest on the 7th day? Couldn't he just wave his finger and create everything in an instant? He is supposed to be perfect and all-powerful.
because there is no "what if"...W/e ur real name is, I could get all angry at u (I started to but I know it's wrong so I asked God 2 forgive me)but all I can do is pray for you. ...pray for those who persecute you. Mt. 5:44 It's in His hands Isa 1:11
Theists will argue that God exists outside the confines of time. He didn't decide at some point long, long ago in the past to create a universe next Tuesday afternoon.
I feel the need to watch your channel because you're an interesting case study in anti religious fundamentalism masquerading as an intelligent critical thinker.
dont belittle people specially when u dont understand the person's messege..... anti religious fundametalism hardly makes sense.... fundamentalism?? whats the fundamentalism of something that isnt a religion?? atheism cant be fundametal because its not a religion. and whats he masquerading as?? obvoiusly if hes intelligent u would just see his masquerade.... u seriously just contradict ureself over and over and it was a 3 line response to questions he said to PONDER ABOUT. not take serious
Look man, just because your an atheist doesn't mean you have to bag on christians just because they believe what they want to believe. I don't try and explain to Jewish people that they're religion is retarded and should become christians, so stop doing to everyone else! I don't care that you're an atheist, just don't drag others along with you by being an asshole.
if you don't want to watch, just click the "X" in the corner.
Meanwhile, you get all the Christians off every doorstep of every home and their forceful indoctrination out of every corner of our society and then I'll back off. Fair enough?
OMG THE LAST 2 I ACTUALY NOT ONLY THOUGHT ABOUT BUT BELIEVE!!!! thats why i switch from pantheon to pantheon trying to revive the gods... as for the first more power 2 yah i thought about that 2.
for the first 1 there is no earlier or later b4 time. for the next 2 "what if"s, then i have nothing to worry about because then there wouldnt be any reward or punishment for what i have done while alive, so the bigger question would be "what if christains are right about this whole God thing?" tho they are pretty decent questions.
even bigger question...what if MUSLIMS are right, what if HINDUS are right...why do you assume your religion is the only possible one? And if there is no "before time" then your god can't exist "before time" and therefore, who created god?
"what if MUSLIMS are right, what if HINDUS are right..." then i have nothing to worry about since im a "good person"
who created time? since most scientists will agree that time had a start. in my belief God had created time, so if he did then why would he be tied to time like we are?
I'm afraid you don't get off that easily...have you been bowing to Mecca? Are you following Sharia law? Looks like you are going into the Lake of Fire! Do you eat meat? Looks like you are getting reincarnated as a dung beetle!
why would I want to spend eternity with a guy that is the son of the bastard that ordered the murder of every woman that slept with a man (married or not) and every male in an entire location...fetuses weren't immune either...he even went as far as to command the virgin girls (even the 6 year olds) to be given over to the male SICK FUCKS that killed their mothers and brothers and fathers to become their sex slaves....FUCK THAT GUY! I'd rather be a dung beetle too.
k i just want you to know that i subscribed to you after i watched 10-20 videos, i promise to watch them all. keep up the good work, your videos are really useful here
Well, before God created the universe, he was just floating around, and when he got tired of making and smoking weed, unfortunately he was still high when he wrote everything down.
Awsome! I love what ifs. Never thought of any but the first one. Does this stuff just come to you? If so, you're like a genius. If not, you're really smart.
1. Assuming he was doing anything is claiming you understand a world outside of our dimensions and time. If you know how a world like this works, please let me know.
2. The God of the Bible, as I understand Him, cannot exist with the rest. He is the only one or not one at all.
3. Why would I want to worship a god that couldn't keep his name alive in the world he created?
BTW about that last comment....low Heathen...Low ;-)
1. masturbating, like we would all do in that situation ;)
2. they'd have a mortal-kombatesque fighting showdown to determine who is the most badass, and CBS would provide us with 24/7 coverage, but charge an extra $54.99 a month.
3. Hell would become overpopulated, resulting in unimaginable traffic and causing extra unnecessary discomfort to the residents.
WHAT IF.....you knew what you were talking about. No! No! wait, then you would be a christian.You are so full of yourself and ignorant.I would tell that I will pray for you ,but that would offend you more than anything else I,v said,so I just want to say that Jesus still love's you.
servant4Him72 1 week ago
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1: probably got drunk and had a weird dream.
2: he seems like the guy who would do that given the old testament
3: i blame human stupidity
doombybbr 2 months ago
I know you said this isn't to be taken too seriously, but I want to comment on some stuff. Time is an aspect of the universe. No universe=no time. So it's isn't like God was dwelling in this universe for a long time. He wasn't part of it, so you can't speak of time. You also mentioned God's birthday, which date was just created by the catholics without any evidence or any kind of certainty. Anyway, you almost made that right by the talking asses pun ;-)
vincentjdrummer 7 months ago
@vincentjdrummer There is a difference between "time" and "space time"...without the universe, there is no "space time" for THIS universe. This is what "relativity" is all about. There is time as it affects you, and time as it affects something else. If God were in a position that was "without time" then he couldn't be able to do one think before or after another thing. How can something happen in a sequence without TIME for it to happen?
KingHeathen 7 months ago
@KingHeathen I just believe that God goes beyond this universe and talking about what God was doing all that time includes our preconceptions about how time, space and action works as we know it. We can't know how a non-universe could work, so talking about what God did even seems weird to me, because we really can't know if we can even talk about "doing". All I know (believe) is that from the beginning of this world on there was a sequence of time, but speaking of before, doesn't make sense
vincentjdrummer 7 months ago
@vincentjdrummer Even if God was not part of this time frame, he would have to be parallel in order to interact with ours. Without a time frame, he would simply do everything at once. Considering God didn't have the foresight to know that man would disobey him and build the tower of Babel, that means God is either tied to our timeline, or his timeline hadn't seen the tower being built before the flood.
Basically, God would have his own timeline, but he would still be restrained to time.
Davin404 7 months ago
@vincentjdrummer Watch my video "Outside of Space and Time"
KingHeathen 7 months ago
What if christianity is a test, an d by agreeing to have an innocent person taken off the street, severly beaten, then put to death to pay for YOUR sins, and then futher by agreeing to seal the deal by pretending to eat the dead mans flesh and drink his blood, every sunday,
YOU FAIL THE TEST AND SHOW WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU REALLY ARE?
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
Before I call it a night, let me explain how these articles pertain...Well, if you reference the paragraph I wrote prior about the universe continuously expanding from a state of singularity (evidence of cosmology), this is a direct reference to that statement (don't worry I have more).
BeStill85 1 year ago
@BeStill85 nothing you've posted here counters what I've already tried to point out to you. EVERYTHING you have posted here already fits what I was already aware of and your attempt at a conclusion confirmed my suggestion that you DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!
The expansion of the singularity says NOTHING about what was BEFORE the singularity This is what EVERY astrophysicist will tell you. You aren't qualified to give any lessons over about a 3rd grade level (at best)
KingHeathen 1 year ago
Singularity doesn't expand you inbreed, it is the state at which the universe began. You just told me that what I was talking about was a lie, you are retarded. Its like arguing with a 5 year old. You can sit here and act like you were right all along, but at the end of the day my paycheck talks louder than yours. So when you get home from work, clean the smell of McDonalds french fries off of yourself and make another gay YouTube video you faggot.
BeStill85 1 year ago
@BeStill85 LOL...and like so many before you...the "loving Christian" ends up slinging insults when they can't back up their claims.
On top of that, you don't know that the Big Bang IS the expansion of the singularity apparently...so you have completed your confirmation that you simply DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! We are done. You are just an intolerant, immature, religious bigot. Please grow up.
Oh, and "your paycheck?" Go to my 200th video and see what I drive.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
Reference: (Eddington, Arthur. The Expanding Universe: Astronomy's 'Great Debate', 1900-1931. Press Syndicate of the University of Cambridge, 1933.) for the last 2 paragraphs. I will go a little further into detail tommorrow.
BeStill85 1 year ago
While special relativity constrains objects in the universe from moving faster than the speed of light with respect to each other, there is no such theoretical constraint when space itself is expanding. It is thus possible for two very distant objects to be moving away from each other at a speed greater than the speed of light (meaning that one cannot be observed from the other). The size of the observable universe could thus be smaller than the entire universe.
BeStill85 1 year ago
The metric expansion of space---- is the averaged increase of metric distance between distant objects in the universe with time. It is an intrinsic expansion—that is, it is defined by the relative separation of parts of the universe and not by motion "outward" into preexisting space. (In other words, the universe is not expanding "into" anything outside of itself). Metric expansion is a key feature of Big Bang cosmology and is modeled mathematically with the FLRW metric.
BeStill85 1 year ago
Another theoretical approach that deals with the issue is that of multiverse theories - predicting a large number of "parallel" universes, possibly with different laws of physics and/or values of fundamental constants. Again, the anthropic principle states that we can only live in one of the universes that is compatible with some form of intelligent life. (This is the point you were suppose to argue, not that my information was false). ( "Parallel Universes". Scientific American.)
BeStill85 1 year ago
the cosmological constant was proposed by Albert Einstein as a modification of his original theory of general relativity to achieve a stationary universe. Einstein abandoned the concept after the observation of the Hubble redshift indicated that the universe might not be stationary, as he had based his theory on the idea that the universe is unchanging.
please reference;
(Lisa Dyson, Matthew Kleban, Leonard Susskind: "Disturbing Implications of a Cosmological Constant")
BeStill85 1 year ago
General relativity or the general theory of relativity is the geometric theory of gravitation published by Albert Einstein in 1915. It is the current description of gravitation in modern physics. It generalises special relativity and Newton's law of universal gravitation, providing a unified description of gravity as a geometric property of space and time, or spacetime.
to view this documentation, please reference; (Einstein 1917, cf. Pais 1982, ch. 15e.)
BeStill85 1 year ago
Ah the fine tuned argument please that isn't proof in the bible moses, peter, paul, abraham, and job got real proof they got to see god or his angels but further on in the bible it says no one has seen god but that isn't the point the point is until atheist get that kinda proof we arn't going to believe in your mythology there is no hard evidence in your sadistic deity. anything + no physical evidence = non exsistance
Lariasio 1 year ago
Science is at a point in time, where it leans toward a creator, until the most recent evidence can be rebuttled by evidence that leans away from one. Many Atheists say that scientific facts support their beliefs, and that is why they deny a creator. The problem is that science does not support the Atheistic rhetoric, so that claim is not valid.
BeStill85 1 year ago
@BeStill85 State what evidence FOR a creator do you have and I will rebut it.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
Everything in the universe just happens to be situated in a very precise way in order for life to be possible. If the force of gravity was changed even 1 inch, it would destroy most life forms. gravity is just 1 out of 30 conditions that had to be perfect. So yes, perfection.
BeStill85 1 year ago
@BeStill85 This is an utterly false statement. You need no further proof than SPACE TRAVEL to know that. And like this one, all of your other 29 conditions will also be proven to have plenty of margin for adjustment and if they were different you'd be claiming that the new setting is the one that MUST be. We live on a planet that humans can't inhabit 75% of. Yet it was made for us? This is all confirmation bias.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen How is this a false statement? Do your research on the Cosmology, Cosmological Constant and Einstines Theory of General Relativity, These are "statements" they are scientific facts. For you to say they are false, tells me that you have not done enough research to engage in a debate wih me. We are beyond this point in the Theist VS Atheist argument. I will give you an opportunity to catch up, so research those 2 criteria, the Kalam Argument, When you get to the Cambrian Explosion...
BeStill85 1 year ago
And to the degree of perfection that the universe is calibrated, is like believing that everything you own just poof, came out of nowhere. Kind of like magic. So basically, you deny creation so you can follow magic? The best part is, you don't even believe in a magician...how does that work?
BeStill85 1 year ago
@BeStill85 Perfection? The universe? Are you kidding?
Black holes
Pulsars
Asteroids
Super novae
Do I really need to keep going?
Trillions of stars, even more planets, and most are useless...this is the work of "intelligence" to you?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen Cosmological Constant: Describes the expansion speed of the universe. It is set up so perfectly that it allows material objects to be formed. It is fined tune to the ratio of 1 out of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chance. which is comparable to 1 atom in the entire known universe. the universe has been balanced by an extremely precise set of laws & constants.
BeStill85 1 year ago
@KingHeathen ...You may be ready for this argument, but you have a long way to go.
BeStill85 1 year ago
@BeStill85 Still waiting on that "evidence."
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen You just told me that a scientific fact was a lie, there is nothing to discuss.
BeStill85 1 year ago
@BeStill85 And you've yet to provide any evidence to support anything you claim. You are correct, without that, there is nothing to discuss...just your assertions.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen Grab an Encylcopedia, its in there. I am not interested in providing complimentary education lessons. If you don't understand the basic design of the universe you live in, there is no way you will be able to keep pace. You will simply compare these facts to completely irrelevant and unrelated examples such as space travel vs universal gravitational calibration. A space ship has absolutely 0 relativity on the cosmological structure.
BeStill85 1 year ago
@BeStill85 LMAO!!!!!
You clearly have zero understanding about what you are trying to pretend like you'd be capable of giving "lessons" on.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen hahaha ok, so then we will play this your way. Never had to explain this to an atheist before, they usually already know. This may take quite some time, so I will post a little bit every day. Every post will be complete with a reference to the material that you can research to verify the accuracy of the information I will be providing you. This will be for verification purposes, so you don't feel the need to deny scientific facts (we already know you don't follow scientology)
BeStill85 1 year ago
Well, good question. My religion does not believe that no one created God. We believe he was also once a being himself, who had to go through a life of his own in order to be a God. Then he was capable of creating and populating worlds of his own. Now you also have to look at Scientific alternatives. It is difficult for me to believe that everything just "happened". Computers didn't just assemble themselves, matches don't walk over to the matchbox & light themselves, its just improbable.
BeStill85 1 year ago
love the talking asses part!!!lmao
chucka59 1 year ago
lmao
awsome
thex13thxchild 1 year ago
eternity doesn't mean "a long time".
eternity means forever.
you can't wait forever to create something.
god would have to be created at some point in order to create the universe.
that means he's not god.
M3L33MA5T3R 1 year ago
You say why doesn't he show God anymore? Well, when Jesus died on the cross to redeem us from satan, He did it once and for all; for all people, all nations, in all the world (John 3:16) never to have to repeat this act again. He said in John 19:30, "It is finished". What more do we need when we know that God put it in our hearts to worship Him? When He said it is finished, that means we don't need visual aids to help us to believe (Hebrews.10:6-12,16).
Jetx48 1 year ago
@Jetx48 Sorry, but you are wrong on your scripture here...Need I remind you that it was AFTER Jesus' death that we have Paul on the Road to Damascus receiving his vision? Apparently, there WAS more still required. How about John's vision for Revelation?
Not to mention that there are plenty of OTHER religious texts to claim their "truth" as well.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@Jetx48 Oh Really????So how would you explain these chapters?Matthew chapter 28
Mark chapter 16
Luke chapter 24
John Chapter 20 and 21
pdrtech45 1 year ago
@Jetx48 Better yet 1 Corinthians 15:3-6..Learn your bible.
pdrtech45 1 year ago
#1) answers simple, he was eating a snickers. He needed a moment. lol
oMon3o 1 year ago 2
Obviously, the question "what was the big bang doing before it exploded" is somewhat ridiculous, but it was also rhetorical, and just proves how illogical the "What did God do before the beginning?" question is. It assumes that God had to sit and wait for things to happen, which would prove that He isn't "eternal" but rather that He's trapped inside time like the rest of us. It's a clear example of trying to put the Creator inside the creation.
swordsman468 1 year ago
@swordsman468 Actually, you are still getting it wrong. "What was the mass-energy that made up the Big Bang doing before the Big Bang?" is a perfectly legitimate question and several scientists are working on ideas for that. String theory, Big Bang/Big Crunch, and other ideas have been proposed but we currently don't have the means to measure any of that to know if any of it is true or false.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen Naturalists solve the issue of "where did mass-energy come from" by suggesting that matter is eternal OR that it had a finite beginning. In either case, you run into a problem explaining the ORIGIN. It still comes back to my original answer: God wasnt subject to time; thus, He wasnt waiting around for the universe to begin, like our concept of time would suggest. Time is a property of the universe that God created, and time did not exist before the beginning of the universe.
swordsman468 1 year ago
@swordsman468 Take what you just said...replace "Naturalists" with "theists" and "mass-energy" with "god."
Making the assertion that "God is outside of time" ignores that he does things before and after each other. PROVE your god isn't affected by time. If that is your position, then explain how he does anything in any chronological order.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen It looks as though we agree on a key issue: someone waiting around for things to happen cannot be any kind of god. The Christian faith teaches that God created the universe and everything IN it. Time is a property of the universe He created. The fact that He is at liberty to introduce an event into the universe at a finite point in time does not mean that He Himself is limited by time.
swordsman468 1 year ago
@swordsman468 I agreed to no such thing.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen The summarization of your video seemed to be "a god waiting around before the creation couldn't/doesn't exist" ... I was just saying how we agree on that part, because the God I believe in (the Christian God) doesn't fit that description.
swordsman468 1 year ago
@swordsman468 I say "a god...doesn't exist." It has nothing to do with whether or not he'd be waiting around. BUT, to say he is not associated with time at all negates the idea that your god can do anything. It's YOUR idea of god that is logically impossible. You god must first decide to create the universe. Then he can create it. He can not create it UNTIL he's made that decision. So how much time went by before he made that decision?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen Your basis for the argument against a god comes from the position of asking what He did before the creation, to which I agreed that such a god couldn't exist. If someone/something is trapped by time, he/she/it doesn't qualify as a god. Time didn't exist before God created it. Asking "what did God do before the creation" is like asking "how much time can pass before time exists?"
swordsman468 1 year ago
@swordsman468 I didn't say he was "trapped" by time...maybe your God can travel back and forth through time and that's how me makes his predictions or something...I don' t know...but if your god does one thing and then does another...he's operating within time. I disagree with your entire premise of your last question as time doesn't "begin" to exist. Our SPACE-TIME can...but time is separate. Again, time is a measurement. Einstein called it the 4th dimension. Does "length" begin to exist?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen It seems to me that your opinion is: God cannot introduce an event into the passage of time unless He is subjected to the limitations of time. In other words, He is either eternal OR He can operate in a chronological order, but the two can't be true simultaneously. It's an opinion you are certainly free to hold, but it doesn't reflect the Christian faith.
swordsman468 1 year ago
@swordsman468 Wrong...that's not what I'm saying at all. He can be eternal AND operate in a chronological order. In fact, to be eternal would intrinsically REQUIRE that he operate chronologically....at least to some extent (time travel again being an exception). The point I'm getting at, that you keep missing, is that if he did ANYTHING first, and ANYTHING second...then he's operating with a structure of time. So the first thing he ever did was make the creation or think about it?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen If we're thinking in terms of a timeline then the first thing He did was create the universe. To ask "what did God do before that," we'd first have to ask the preliminary question: can God be in a state of existence in which there is no time? If NO, then I would agree with you that, if God exists, He was waiting around for an infinite amount of time before creation. If YES, then I'd suggest that the original question "what did God do before the question" is an invalid question.
swordsman468 1 year ago
@swordsman468 so God never "decided" to create the universe? Was he compelled to? Did he not have a choice in the matter?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen I didn't say God never decided to create the universe. What I'm saying is, there wasn't necessarily a separation of time between deciding to create the universe and creating it. That doesn't mean that they happened at the SAME time, but rather, that time didn't even exist until it was created. Therefore, the concept of chronological order couldn't exist until God created time.
swordsman468 1 year ago
@KingHeathen One could argue that God had to eventually decide to create the universe before creating it. I would also say, however, that it's possible that there was no passage of time between the decision to create and the creation. This isn't because the two events occurred at the same time, but rather, there is just no concept of chronology if God is in a state without the existence of time.
swordsman468 1 year ago
@swordsman468 You are still missing it. OK, so God decides to create the universe. How long did he think about it? Since you refuse to address this question head on, let's just say he did it in 1/1000000 of a second. So we have God creates time and then a split second later he decides to create the universe and a split second later he does create it. Do you accept this as a HYPOTHETICAL time line for the events?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen I don't believe I was missing anything, and I've been facing the question head-on since we started. I believe God created time, space, and matter (mass-energy) simultaneously. The possibility that God had to decide to create something before creating it doesn't mean that any time passed before the creation; because time didn't exist.
swordsman468 1 year ago
@swordsman468 So is that a yes or a no to our hypothetical time line?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
Hey, in response to what God did before the creation: the Bible opens with "In the beginning..." I could be wrong but I think if anything was before that, it wouldn't be the beginning. Maybe I'm wrong about my faith, hypothetically, but my God isn't sitting around waiting for things to happen: "time" is part of the creation, and it doesn't trap Him. Oh and off point: does anybody ever tell you that you resemble Dwight Schrute? Not trying to be disrespectful, just lighthearted.
swordsman468 1 year ago
@swordsman468 The question is simple...if God created the universe at that point...but didn't exist himself prior to that...then who/what created "God"? The normal reply is "God is eternal." That means he was there BEFORE "the beginning" which means he had to have been doing SOMETHING...and that is where your response falls apart.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the phrase "the beginning." There IS no "before" ... otherwise it wouldn't be "the beginning." I would argue that God wasn't sitting around waiting for things to happen, before time began. The creation marked the beginning of time itself, in which case God didn't have to WAIT for it. I'm not really sure why it's so hard to grasp. We're more limited by time than He is.
swordsman468 1 year ago
@swordsman468
I understand clearly what you are saying. Unfortunately, it's complete nonsense. Time doesn't start, stop, begin, end, or anything. Time may be "relative" but it is ONLY a unit of MEASUREMENT.
To further clarify, think about this: How long had time begun before God existed? Or did God exist "before" time began? If it was "before"...HOW LONG before?
To understand relativity, an inch is an inch long...but if all matter expanded 2X, then all rulers are now twice as long.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen A "Day," "week," etc, are units of measurement. Time is not. I refer you to Merriam-Webster for a definition of time: " a nonspatial continuum that is measured in terms of events which succeed one another from past through present to future." The conventional theory of the universe states that time, space and matter came into existence simultaneously, so the atheist's picture of the "big bang" has the same issues regarding "where did ___ come from" as the Christians.
swordsman468 1 year ago
@swordsman468 That's like saying "An inch, a foot, etc are units of measurement. Distance is not.
As to your false understanding of the "conventional theory of the universe..." SPACE TIME (time as it is relevant to our space) and OUR UNIVERSE as we know it (not matter as mass-energy is a constant and each state is interchangeable) came to be at the same point.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen Distance (like time) isnt a unit of measurement; it's a degree of separation. I think you're confused between what a unit of measurement IS and what you're measuring. And I don't believe I was wrong on the conventional origins theory. I said that time, space & matter share the same point of origin, which is a summarization of what the Oxford Dictionary of Physics (2001) says on pg 38. Question: what was the Big Bang doing for billions of years while it was waiting to explode?
swordsman468 1 year ago
Time has no meaning when it comes to eternity, so there was not even a microsecond before the beginning as we know it. SO...What was your Big Bang doing before it decided "You know what, I'm going to explode now" What about a billion years before that? For a big bang to happen, time had to have always existed. Where is the ridiculous, stupidest, cheese ball, made up example of a god, the flying spaghetti monster bible?? Show us that, and we will consider agnosticism to it!!
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 Great comment except you forgot two important parts..."as we know it" and "before it decided"...
"as we know it" deals with the fact that we don't know what the universe was like prior to the Big Bang. So there is plenty of speculation of what it would have been like.
"Before it decided" shows how little you understand about scientific processes as the "Big Bang" can't "decide" ANYTHING!
Come back when you have something more concrete.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
@KingHeathen I've heard plenty say it was a big empty space and a dot a trillion times smaller than a BB exploded/expanded, whatever, so... what do you mean you they don't know what happened before the big dud? Even dickard dawkins admits there could be an intelligent designer out there!!
ironman197268 1 year ago
@ironman197268 First off, quote mining is wrong and only serves to make you look dishonest. Dawkins admits there COULD be a designer in the same way I admit there COULD be monkeys flying out of your ass. 2nd, I don't care what "plenty say"...what matters is what science has found. Finally, we have no devices or systems capable of getting any readings of how anything was prior to the Big Bang, so all we can do is speculate about it right now. What part of that was too confusing for you?
KingHeathen 1 year ago
KingHeathen- off subject but I think you look very similar to Mat Damon hehe
Miamibeach2006 1 year ago
@blackfox92 You play RS? XD
dragonddff 1 year ago
wow you really do love talking about this.if you dont believe why bother? you really put alot of time in this.get a hobby or something
newmanntoday 1 year ago
@newmanntoday if you really want to know the answer to that question then watch my "Why do I do this" video.
KingHeathen 1 year ago
As to your questions..As for what God did. Befire he created life as we know it...ZHow do oyu know he wasn't creating other universes? As for him being tired. I don't think it has anything to do with sleep....Its just like working on a porject.Aftera cetain length of time..you needot relax. And think of what to do next. Even @ even if all the gods were rteal. Itwas the most high God who put a stop to it. Its not that God isn't the real God...It the one who is in charge....
bro718 2 years ago
It came to him in a psycadellic trip!
livandspencer 2 years ago
God was high until then obviously...all strung out and nodding off constantly.
livandspencer 2 years ago
thank you for just being alive dude, you're awesome. and thanks for the Flying Spaghetti Monster shout out too : ) have an awesome week
colinsworth 2 years ago
Good question...but lets be honest...does it really matter?
By the way, you said, "billions of years."
You forget that time is only a Human thing. God, if you can wrap your mind around it, lives outside of time. Because if he lived with in time, he would be subject to it.
KJV91 2 years ago
Watch my video "Outside of Time" and understand why this is a failed concept.
Does your god also exist outside of inches?
KingHeathen 2 years ago
I watched it.
Time is measured by what King Heathen?
God can exist outside of time. He created time, and the things we use to measure time. That's what Genesis 1:14 talks about. Go read it some time. They are signs for days and years. Here's a thought, what does God need time for? He don't. We humans need it.
By the way, what kind of God would he be if he were bound by time? Not a very good one.
KJV91 2 years ago
time is measured by "seconds"...a measurement invented by MAN. Just like inches.
So let me ask you....can your god do something after he does something else?
KingHeathen 2 years ago
No, Time is measure by the sun and earth, and planets. Which gives us years, months and days. (and seasons) This all, like I said talked about it Genesis 1:24(which by the way was before anyone could have known that) A days time is measure by the earth and sun. (how long it takes the earth to rotate on its axis.)
So how do you measure eternity?
God can do something after he does something, because if he does something here on earth, it is with in time.
KJV91 2 years ago
Think about what you said...
Years-The observation that seasons follow in a 4 part cycle and we count from the start of one to the end of the 4th.
Months-Originally based on the observation that the moon goes through a cycle as well.
Days-Marked by the observation that the sun rises each morning.
All human concepts. Measurements. Based on observations which made it convenient for us to predict patterns.
Time is a measurement. Like a "foot" was based on the size of A FOOT!
KingHeathen 2 years ago
So if your god can do something after something else, then we can measure the amount of "time" that took. If he can then go back in time and change things, then he's really doing all things instantly. This leads to one thing and one thing only...
Predestination!
Are you a supporter of this concept?
KingHeathen 2 years ago
I don't claim to know all the answers.
Im not perfect. All I know is, if I can explain God, than he's not much of a God.
Lets face it, if he is all powerful as what the Bible says, than he can do things beyond anything we can come up with.
I just like trying to answer your questions, they can be fun.
KJV91 2 years ago
Yes, I know this, Time is based on the planets...I said that. What Im saying is that God made time, he set it up for us.
Look this is not a "prove God is real" "Prove he doesn't" We are talking about something, the Bible isn't clear on.
If God is all powerful, than yes he can live outside of time and could switch back and forth. But it really doesn't matter if he does or not.
KJV91 2 years ago
God didn't "make time"...we observed it.
The rest of your response is a cop out...not an attempt to try to answer.
So do you accept predestination or not?
KingHeathen 2 years ago
He gave us the things to measure it, wether we observe it or not, time still happens....time brings change...how did we invent that?
its not a cop out...
im not sure on the whol predestination...
if he does know everything and knew before the beginning, and the Bible is right, than its still good of him to try and reach to ppl. even though they wont listen.
KJV91 2 years ago
"time" doesn't happen. THINGS happen and we use context clues to measure that "time". There is no "time" as an entity...it's just the measurement between two nows. And to make matters worse, it's not even consistent. Thus the Theory of Relativity.
If predestination is real, then there is no point in trying to convince me because I'm either going to agree or not. It's PREDETERMINED. Therefore, no free will. God MADE ME to be an atheist...and who are you to go against God's "plan?"
KingHeathen 2 years ago
there are no two nows, unless a period of time in some alter plane is stuck in a continuative pattern. theres a then and now, but no two nows. Just because someones preaching at a church doesnt mean that their ideas are always right. Thats stupid like the catholics giving the pope power.
god did not make you to be an athiest, and though he sees the future and can change it, he likes to watch things set in place. Someday you might have an epiphone and become a good and educated pastor. :)
tohidefromourways 2 years ago
The then is just a now that has already happened. It doesn't still exist, it used to exist. Just like if I walk from my porch to the street. I measure the distance from where I WAS to where I AM...I'm not still in both places, though. Just clarifying.
And you are right, your god didn't make me an atheist because your god didn't make me because your god doesn't exist.
KingHeathen 2 years ago
I believe that action and reaction is something that God can control, but chooses to stand aside and watch how it works. I believe God is fair, and just. I also believe that our population is too big, and we endow it on ourselves to be above all of Gods creation, when in the bible it does not say we are above, just that we are to have dominion. Parents have dominion over kids, does that make them better? No. Anti-christianity is propaganda to give u.s. gov. more spotlight and power.
tohidefromourways 2 years ago
14 sorry...
KJV91 2 years ago
The image of the sun being stopped in the sky is clearly from the point of view of us here on earth, dinkus.
If all the Gods clubbed together as you suggest then none of them would in fact be true as all deny the existence of the others. As the bible says over and over again that the christian God is a God of love then he wouldn't have been 'messing' with us as you suggest.
Hypothetical (and quite absurd) questioning does not disprove anything.
hannahmalco 2 years ago
circular logic from beginning to end....well done. I'd have to think for a good 4 hours to come up with such a well thought out, self-refuting argument.
This was satire, right?
KingHeathen 2 years ago
Quran says we are not th 1st or last creation....
Says sun moves and rotates for an appointed time
other gods are jins, another creation of God, only th evil ones communicate wit us...
Mabvudza1 2 years ago
"What was God doing in the eternity before he created the universe?" Eternity is the state of foreverness, NOT a time frame. Time and 'eternity' can not co-exist in this example. But to answer your question God was 'being happy'. He created the universe (and consiquently time) because he became unhappy because of 'parts of himself'.
Errosion5bucks 2 years ago
1. Mormons believe a pre-existence
2. I would be very surprised and very pissed
3. Then I guess nothing would happen because well God is dead
PHvlogger 2 years ago
1-What was he doing BEFORE the Mormon story? (I assume you are Mormon)
2-not really an answer
3-My Grandfather is dead, yet my father and I still carry on...so why would "God" not existing cause his creation to stop working? The maker of the Hubble telescope is dead...yet the telescope still works!
KingHeathen 2 years ago
1- He created time, so there was no before
2- not really a question (greek gods,roman gods,pagan gods came from stories that are easily disproven nowadays; the God is not disproven)
3- If your brain didnt exist you wouldnt work. And nothing manmade can substitute God.
Since He created time, there is no end to Him.
Why are you so intent on not believing?
5amuman 2 years ago
Im wondering that same question...
why is KingHeathen so intent on not believing.
KJV91 2 years ago
The same reason you are so intent on not believing every other religion ever created....
I am intent on not believing one more religion than you are.
KingHeathen 2 years ago
Its not about the religion...its about the salvation. (For me and those who believe what the Bible says) Its not about what you do, or the order that you do it. Its not about "being good" or giving all your worldly things to those who need it. (though not a bad idea) Its the salvation. We can talk about religion all day long, but its all about the salvation. Its about knowing we do wrong, (no one is perfect)
and God is. Knowing that he just wants to help us with our own mess. Its salvation.
KJV91 2 years ago
You COMPLETELY missed the entire point.
KingHeathen 2 years ago
Look Im just trying to have fun here, I like hearing these hard questions and trying to find an answer. Some questions I wondered myself.
KJV91 2 years ago
Okay... so theists claim that God is perfect, and he created the world. Here's an error: WHY did God make the universe? If he was perfect, he couldn't have done it by accident. He couldn't have done it because he wanted entertainment, because perfect God never gets bored. A perfect creator god is impossible.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago
lol u know the family guy version of the big bang?
thats what he was doing.
if u dont then u should really look up that clip. i think u would like it :p
buggiemofo2 2 years ago
"And now, Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot....for Rednecks.
The universe was created by...GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD."
Yeah, I cracked up at that one.
KingHeathen 2 years ago
Yeah... I usually don't like Family Guy, but that was hilarious.
MarowakDidIt 2 years ago
"Yeah, I cracked up at that one."
No I think he's referring to another clip where god farts on a lighter and that gives rise to the big bang.
mtanti87 2 years ago
must have missed that one.
KingHeathen 2 years ago
"the only talking asses left"!lol,LOVE THAT!
8radiostar 2 years ago
i dont think the sun is the "center" of the solar system. physics isnt my strongest class but i remember something about how the planets and asteriods and comets all pull on the sun but because thier gravity is weaker then the suns the center of gravity that everything in our solar system revolves around is much closer to the sun so it appears as the it all revolves around the sun...this also had to do w/ other stars having planets because the planets would cause a red/blue shift in the star
ghostbirdsama 2 years ago
if anyone knows what im trying to say and can help make that clearer i would appreciate it because like i said physics isnt my best class
ghostbirdsama 2 years ago
the sun IS the "center" of the solar system because the planets revolve around it...I didn't say that it didn't move itself. It never moves beyond the planetary orbits, therefore it's still in the "center" just like a single lugnut is in the center section of a tire. Think center vs dead center.
KingHeathen 2 years ago
(all this is from the nasa website) You've no doubt heard that Earth revolves around the sun. Well, actually, that's not quite true!
Have you heard the term "center of gravity"? It's a technical-sounding term for something pretty simple. It's the exact center of all the material (that is, mass) that makes up the object. For example, if you have a straight stick, like a ruler or yardstick, there's a place at the middle where you can balance it on your finger. That's its center of gravity.
ghostbirdsama 2 years ago
But the center of gravity may or may not be the point that is exactly in the middle, distance-wise, of the object. Some parts of the object may be heavier (denser) than others. If you have something like a sledge hammer that is heavier on one end than the other, the center of gravity will be much closer to the heavy end than the lighter end.
ghostbirdsama 2 years ago
To get an idea of where the center of gravity is, rest the ends of any object like the ruler or a pencil on one finger from each hand. Slowly move your fingers together without dropping the object. Your fingers will meet underneath the object's center of gravity. You can balance the object on one finger at that special place.
ghostbirdsama 2 years ago
The actual center of gravity could be close to the surface or deep inside, depending on whether the object is flat like a ruler or a dinner plate, or "three-dimensional," like a box or a ball. And if you let the object spin (like when you throw it), it will try to spin about that point.
ghostbirdsama 2 years ago
In the case of the Earth and the sun, both bodies actually revolve, or spin, around the very center of the mass between them. This point is called the "barycenter." Earth and the sun are "connected" by the gravity pulling them together. It's just like the light end and heavy end of the sledge hammer. Compared to the size of the sun, Earth is about like a flea on a cat! So the center of mass between the Earth and the sun is almost--but not quite--the very center of the sun.
ghostbirddono 2 years ago
In the case of a planet the size of Jupiter, which is 318 times as massive as Earth, the barycenter of Jupiter and the sun is a bit further from the sun's center. So, as Jupiter revolves around the sun, the sun itself is actually revolving around this slightly off-center point, located just outside its surface. Thus, a planet the size of Jupiter will make the sun appear to wobble a tiny bit. This picture shows you that the center of mass and barycenter can be slightly different points.
ghostbirddono 2 years ago
obviously ghostbirdsama and ghostbirddono are both my accounts they are both just ghostbird with different honorifics it made me stop after i did to many in a row or something i guess so i switched accounts lol
ghostbirddono 2 years ago
and this has WHAT to do with what we are talking about?
I think you are trying to play a semantics game here and I don't see the point in it....
if you prefer...change it to the sun is in the MIDDLE of the solar system...this allows the sun to wobble and move and remain in the generic region known as "the middle" which covers all of the area inside mercury's orbit. This as it should be compared to the previous notion that the EARTH was in the middle
Feel better now?
KingHeathen 2 years ago
when he was listing the gods, he forgot the invisible, pink unicorn
ImaxDSHIFTJavier 2 years ago
1. "What was "God" doing before he created the earth?"
I again am not a christian nor a relgious person. But you really need to strengthen your arguments. When the universe was created, it was created when 7 demensions full of matter was spinning and the energy created exploded into the universe we see today as 4 demensions ripped away causing black holes and such. Now Time is a Dimension, your argument is saying that before creation there was TIME. Time was not existent before the creation.
Only1rebel 3 years ago
the flaw you think you see is because you aren't including a god functioning prior to that. "Prior to that" is a measure of time, right? Next, "dimension" simply is about measurements. It's not that there wasn't "time" before the Big Bang. There just wasn't time RELATIVE to our universe. This is what the Theory of Relativity is all about.
Example: You have a ruler to measure the dimension of length. Now if your ruler shrunk, you'd still get the measurement of a "foot"
KingHeathen 3 years ago
your flaw is that you think that time exists outside of our space time continuum.
we have no clue about was there a "before " the big bang. time is a subjective experience we are experiencing because we are in it, you cant imagine space without time because you were never in that kind of space.
wtf is space anyway,what is outside of our space?
theologically God is outside of our universe, witch means He does not abide to its laws.
niinja2 3 years ago
look to String Theory?
ImaxDSHIFTJavier 2 years ago
Doesn´t the bible say, you should have no other god than the lord? It does not say, that there are no other gods.
VitoPossilipo 3 years ago
I also ask myself the question, Why would it take God 6 days to create the universe? And why did he have to rest on the 7th day? Couldn't he just wave his finger and create everything in an instant? He is supposed to be perfect and all-powerful.
7d7e7f7 3 years ago
because there is no "what if"...W/e ur real name is, I could get all angry at u (I started to but I know it's wrong so I asked God 2 forgive me)but all I can do is pray for you. ...pray for those who persecute you. Mt. 5:44 It's in His hands Isa 1:11
greekshorty1982 3 years ago
Theists will argue that God exists outside the confines of time. He didn't decide at some point long, long ago in the past to create a universe next Tuesday afternoon.
TishnFipsy 3 years ago
The Big Bang was the start of time and space as we know it, so it's not reasonable to ask what God did 'before' it, as there was no 'time before' it.
TishnFipsy 3 years ago
Why do you feel the need to broadcast you're insecurities to the whole world?
What a bunch of stupid questions. Really.
fritleyfrisp 3 years ago
Why do you feel the need to watch my channel? There is an "X" in the top right corner anytime you feel disenchanted.
If you want the answer to "Why do I do this?" then watch my video by the same name.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
I feel the need to watch your channel because you're an interesting case study in anti religious fundamentalism masquerading as an intelligent critical thinker.
fritleyfrisp 3 years ago
dont belittle people specially when u dont understand the person's messege..... anti religious fundametalism hardly makes sense.... fundamentalism?? whats the fundamentalism of something that isnt a religion?? atheism cant be fundametal because its not a religion. and whats he masquerading as?? obvoiusly if hes intelligent u would just see his masquerade.... u seriously just contradict ureself over and over and it was a 3 line response to questions he said to PONDER ABOUT. not take serious
NUGNESS123 3 years ago
Are there any intelligent critical thinkers that are religious?
TheStig000 3 years ago
All the God's existing and playing a trick?
Even as a Christian teenager I would say that was pretty cool
L4EV 3 years ago
Look man, just because your an atheist doesn't mean you have to bag on christians just because they believe what they want to believe. I don't try and explain to Jewish people that they're religion is retarded and should become christians, so stop doing to everyone else! I don't care that you're an atheist, just don't drag others along with you by being an asshole.
DEANVX93 3 years ago
if you don't want to watch, just click the "X" in the corner.
Meanwhile, you get all the Christians off every doorstep of every home and their forceful indoctrination out of every corner of our society and then I'll back off. Fair enough?
KingHeathen 3 years ago
if only christians had the same attitude during the crusades & inquisition
ZombieJesusFTW 3 years ago
lmao, youd rather be a dung beatle, you are one, you got no life
akurdmara 3 years ago
lol nice video
peacepaige 3 years ago
OMG THE LAST 2 I ACTUALY NOT ONLY THOUGHT ABOUT BUT BELIEVE!!!! thats why i switch from pantheon to pantheon trying to revive the gods... as for the first more power 2 yah i thought about that 2.
dragonddff 3 years ago
I've always wondered why God would need to rest on the 6th day. He's omnipotent, why the hell would he need a break?
sumfamousperson17 3 years ago 2
Love your smile at the end
MorbidGear 3 years ago
there is NO such thing as a RIGHT religion
all religions are bullshit storys that told to control people
DaniKiller 3 years ago 4
I suggest you study every relegion before saying things like that DaniKiller.
dragonddff 3 years ago
lol my god is better than your god :P
canti1988 3 years ago
for the first 1 there is no earlier or later b4 time. for the next 2 "what if"s, then i have nothing to worry about because then there wouldnt be any reward or punishment for what i have done while alive, so the bigger question would be "what if christains are right about this whole God thing?" tho they are pretty decent questions.
gamer2k1 3 years ago
even bigger question...what if MUSLIMS are right, what if HINDUS are right...why do you assume your religion is the only possible one? And if there is no "before time" then your god can't exist "before time" and therefore, who created god?
KingHeathen 3 years ago
"what if MUSLIMS are right, what if HINDUS are right..." then i have nothing to worry about since im a "good person"
who created time? since most scientists will agree that time had a start. in my belief God had created time, so if he did then why would he be tied to time like we are?
gamer2k1 3 years ago
I'm afraid you don't get off that easily...have you been bowing to Mecca? Are you following Sharia law? Looks like you are going into the Lake of Fire! Do you eat meat? Looks like you are getting reincarnated as a dung beetle!
KingHeathen 3 years ago
"have you been bowing to Mecca? Are you following Sharia law? Looks like you are going into the Lake of Fire!"
now tell me why would i want to spend enterinity with a guy who boasts that he is the best desiever as the quran says allah does.
and if i was a dung beetle o well, ill live, die, then be reincarnated into something else.
gamer2k1 3 years ago
why would I want to spend eternity with a guy that is the son of the bastard that ordered the murder of every woman that slept with a man (married or not) and every male in an entire location...fetuses weren't immune either...he even went as far as to command the virgin girls (even the 6 year olds) to be given over to the male SICK FUCKS that killed their mothers and brothers and fathers to become their sex slaves....FUCK THAT GUY! I'd rather be a dung beetle too.
KingHeathen 3 years ago
k i just want you to know that i subscribed to you after i watched 10-20 videos, i promise to watch them all. keep up the good work, your videos are really useful here
andreiduffy 3 years ago
Well, before God created the universe, he was just floating around, and when he got tired of making and smoking weed, unfortunately he was still high when he wrote everything down.
ZaKEEuS 3 years ago 2
Anouther talking ass is in "The Wall" by Pink Floyd. Any one remember the trail near then end of the movie? The talking ass?
omegacat3 3 years ago
great vids dude. wow thank goodness I'm ateist beleiving in imanganry friends of any kind not healthy
incubusrsnnglyp 4 years ago
Awsome! I love what ifs. Never thought of any but the first one. Does this stuff just come to you? If so, you're like a genius. If not, you're really smart.
Raindancer737 4 years ago
Nice intelligent thoughts, and funny to think about.
savdbygrce 4 years ago
I like these questions.
1. Assuming he was doing anything is claiming you understand a world outside of our dimensions and time. If you know how a world like this works, please let me know.
2. The God of the Bible, as I understand Him, cannot exist with the rest. He is the only one or not one at all.
3. Why would I want to worship a god that couldn't keep his name alive in the world he created?
BTW about that last comment....low Heathen...Low ;-)
WatchGuy7 4 years ago
Ted Haggart, Jerry Fawell, Kent Hovind, Westboro Baptists...I don't want to hear about "low".
KingHeathen 4 years ago
1. masturbating, like we would all do in that situation ;)
2. they'd have a mortal-kombatesque fighting showdown to determine who is the most badass, and CBS would provide us with 24/7 coverage, but charge an extra $54.99 a month.
3. Hell would become overpopulated, resulting in unimaginable traffic and causing extra unnecessary discomfort to the residents.
ManBearPiglet 4 years ago 3
dude hows this only have 347 views.
AtheistDiscGolfer 4 years ago