"We have a lot more work to do in our common struggle against bigotry and discrimination. I say 'common struggle' because I believe very strongly that all forms of bigotry and discrimination are equally wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans everywhere. Freedom from discrimination based on sexual orientation is surely a fundamental human right in any great democracy, as much as freedom from racial, religious, gender, or ethnic discrimination."
@GodCreatesGays2 I dunno if your trying to counter-argue my previous comment or make an attempt at putting me down for being sarcastic?
People shouldn't be using bogus information regarding a select ethnic group having made zero accomplishments to society, being less attractive and uneducated; However. Majority of societies hottest trends all created from Gays... for straights? Highly doubtful...
Again. Race and Homosexuality two separate, unequal subject matter.
As long as people keep saying "GAY IS THE NEW BLACK", black people (GAY or STRAIGHT) are NOT going to go for that. Because GAY WHITE PEOPLE were just as racist as the closet straight ones. Especially the faggot ass KKK. And if you were black, back in the day, you were pretty much FUCKED. Regardless of your SEXUAL ORIENTATION. Therefore, you can't compare the Prop. 8 drama with the Civil Rights Movement. It's Apples and Oranges.
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1 Explaining that to GodCreatesGays2 is like putting a square in a sawed out circle. Poisoning the web with this white-washed a.k.a. "modern" sense-of-right-is-wrong-but-all-are-suffering-from-some-sort-of-aneurism-for-not-getting-the-formula-the-gays-bring-this "We all are in the same bubble"; Oddly enoug if minorities were using this type of ruse bet the media'd coined. 'Race Card'. What's sad is that there are more white gay atheist in the KKK than GLAAD. Ironic?
I just want to point something out here, regarding the blacks voting thing. Blacks voted yes 70% of the time, roughly. There are 2.5 million black people in california, which has a population of 37.1 million. That means that those 70% of blacks who voted yes make up? roughly 4.7%; while 52.24% of the population said yes. That means there's still 47.54% of california who voted yes on prop 8 who are not black. So just looking at numbers it's clear we can't blame blacks for prop 8; it's math.
I believe gay couples should have the same rights as straight couples. For example: (A)Medical benefits on the job for their domestic partner (B) If one dies, the other gets the insurance money or inherits the house. Things like that. Just like Straight couples. BUT, calling it "MARRIAGE" is where I draw the line. And this is the reason I voted Yes on Prop 8. And yes, I realize that even my liberal view on this, as compared to homophobes, may STILL get some negative feedback. Well, THAT'S LIFE.
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1 No one will argue with the Gay have the same rights as straight couples. However, don't using race-baiting, political-rhetoric, just to climb up the coat-tails of others who battled much longer than 1950's. Stonewall isn't the same as Birmingham, Alabama Church burning. 1. Protection given to Gays from the mob who, ran and owned that club before the riots. 2. ...They didn't have sell-out snitching so southern corrupt police who did more violence than the gays up north.
@Sileni Another thing that pisses me off, is an EBONY magazine cover I saw. The magazine itself was all black (with exception to the red and white EBONY sighn) with bold white letters asking "IS GAY THE NEW BLACK?" If I was black, I would be HIGHLY UPSET. Back then, if you were WHITE (REGARDLES of gay or straight) you could get away with oppressing blacks or other NON-whites. GAY NON-whites and STAIGHT NON-whites were a target. So, NO GAY IS NOT THE NEW BLACK!!! See what I mean?
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1 Oh defiantly support all of what you stated! Whistle 'White Nationalism" inside the suburbs and will see how quickly everyone will side BACK with Uncle Sams' children and LOCK-IN-suburbanite. Ethnicity can't be Sexuality, internally or externally; however. Fast-forward into the 22nd Century "Civil Union" is most acceptable. The strategy being used by The Advocate in order to get a rise out of everyone, hurts their cause more, than say... attacking religious televangelist!
@Sileni I agree. I am all for "CIVIL UNIONS". And I feel they should be classified with the same rights EQUAL to Marriage (Man and Woman). By calling it "CIVIL UNION", it gives gay couples their own unique classification, and it should be respected just like traditional marriage. With the same rights and everything else that comes with it. Do you agree?
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1 CIVIL UNION sounds just about right the sole reason its a "State" or "Government" issue, away from religion itself; Think about it. GLAAD is NOT a religion but a movement, just like the NAACP isn't a religion but a movement. Civil rights was a movement whose roots planted from within the black church that grew outwards; Hence, where the word "Civil and Rights" was coined; Church and State need be separate! ...Do I agree with your comment, its a bit iffy. Ask me why.
They call it the no-spin zone, yet start the debate by villifying pro-gay rights activists as thugs and rioters. Typical fox news. The black community in California are hypocrites to oppose gay marriage.
@LoneRookRS1 No they are not, the Advocate should be damn well ashamed of itself for trying to perpetrate itself as being downtrodden, because Uncle Same refused to grant you the right to marry. TO MARRY?
Funny how in the video none of you had the balls to go over that bridge into the BLACK COMMUNITY!
@Sileni Dont know what youre going on about but for people who used to be banned from certain marriage rights to do the same unto others is hypocritical. They probably justify it on their interpretation of religious crap fed to their communities since the days of christian missionaries in Africa.
@LoneRookRS1 Your going to bring up interracial marriage, and issues where slaves wanted to marry white women that caused an uproar in congress the states over? ...Look, when a white chick gets caught up with other radicals on security tapes in banks, "Oh its the results of Stockholm Syndrome!" Dude don't bother bringing in Africa or anything else for that matter; Adolf Hitler stated it best! -“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”
@LoneRookRS1 Naw, its fine just the way it is... welcome to the here and now, should get off the pop-bandwagon; Bullshit seems to be the only language we're communicating back-n-forth anyways.
Now let us talk about Santa Clause and the soon coming tooth-fairy that'll leave rainbow sprinkles underneath all of our beds instead of quarters... with a note stating "I O U" in bold colorful letters.
I will not lie. I believe you cannot choose your gender. You cannot choose your skin color. You cannot choose your ethnicity. You cannot choose your nationality. Because all that has been solidly proven that those are uncontrollable factors. But I do believe you can choose your sexuality because I have yet to find any solid proof that you are born hetero, or homo, or even trans. You choose to be straight, you accept its pros and cons. You choose to be gay, you accept its pros and cons. End it.
Ugh... I'll say this. I am a heterosexual male. I am a God-loving man. Honestly, the homosexuality thing I could care less about because it does not affect me negatively or positively. I condemn no one to hell. All I do know is that since heterosexuality is right (off hand) and I do not know homosexuality is or isn't (this is not to drag religion because I'm takling non-religiously), I could care less because I won't get tied up into this bickering. Cha~
Yeah, i agree, religious getting in the way of people doing what they want. But, God loves his children, just not what they're doing. Yes, i believe the end times are near. I'm Very anxious to see what's gonna happen Dec. 21, 2012...was Nostradomas right?, we'll see. LOL
i think being gay is a bit weird but if they want to get married what the fuck has that got to do with me or anyone else this is just religious people trying to control others with there crazy fairy tales
Also, straight people are the people butchering marriage. Look up any straight celebrity and see how many spouses he or she has had. The odds of the number being over 3 is very likely. Tiger Woods was straight, and look what HE did to marriage.
Two people of the same gender being in love is not something that should be frowned upon. What kind of lunactic puts restrictions on love?
This should not even be an issue. Anti-Gay is Anti-Freedom.
Is there any aspect of their existence that black people will not try to excuse by the actions of others? No one is at fault for how black people voted on Prop 8 except black people being stupid and hypocritical. No Jasmin, it's not beacause we didn't buy the blacks enough balloons, it's because they are assholes, just like the Republicans they voted with . Well guess what Jasmin, in 2012 you can convince yourself that Obama is going home because of racism instead of payback for Prop 8.
@Americcan One doesn't have to be stupid just to disagree. That's ignorant to say that. She's a lesbian, she does not have to excuse anyone. We don't need to be excused. If people don't agree, they just don't agree. Why do they need to be called stupid?
Argentina has legalized gay marriage. If we want to make it into the first 10 nations with equal civil rights for all citizens, we're cutting it close!
The problem with gay marriage equality is there is no problem. Gay marriage hurts no one. To legally prohibit two consenting adults who love each other from marrying is not only ignorant, it's un-American.
If your religion forbids happiness and joy and instead promotes causing needless pain and suffering, question your religion, not equality.
@Clemburke1111 LOL! Who's complaining about being Black? She is talking about the race relations in this country, which are still pretty bad eventhough they have gotten better. People aren't going to stop talking about race relations until there is an even playing field amongst all races in America...so we can all get used to that.
@sherrellboo09 Blacks are the largest race to be anti gay marriage yet we must respect them, and alos needing more rights which they have 100% of all american rights where as gays lack over 1000 rights.
@sherrellboo09 No, they dont have to agree with gays getting the 2000 rights that comes with gay marriage but gays will never forget that blacks are thene number one group agaist gay rights, and when it coes to blacks needing the help in he future from gays,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, they will be fucked..
@Clemburke1111 Its also important to keep in mind that the majority of the bigotry directed at the gay community from the black community is based in ignorance and related to education levels. The black family next door to me is convinced a ghost lives in their house......should I really be expecting a healthy attitude toward complex social issues?
@clubindiana4 The black community needs to work on the dead beat daddy rate and prison rate before they attack other groups, but the black commuinity is known to divert at every cross road.
"She is talking about the race relations in this country, which are still pretty bad "
Which couldn't have anything to do with the general obnoxiousness of black people, who make neighborhoods unsafe, who ruin any school in which they become a majority, who commit crimes at multiples of their representation, and who generally prey on white and law abiding people.
I have had enough of black people we all have. That's why .380 ammo is so expensive.
@Americcan No, it doesn't have anything to do w/ that! You can read your statistics. Black people in general are not obnoxious. Black ppl make neighborhoods unsafe? Really? ANY PERSON CAN MAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD UNSAFE! Actually, if you read abt Black schools like HBCU's, they are great schools! If u mean high schools, then that isn't true either, POOR schools are ruined not BLACK SCHOOLS! When the state does budget cuts, it cuts the $ in THESE schools! So stop it! Do Black ppl not
"POOR schools are ruined not BLACK SCHOOLS! When the state does budget cuts, it cuts the $ in THESE schools!"
Wrong. Do your homework. DC public schools, Baltimore public schools, New York public schools all have per pupil expenditures which would make a private school expensive and proud. And they all suck. And they suck since blacks became the majority in those school systems. The reason is cultural, and as soon as you can accept that, the sooner the remedy is on the way.
@Americcan What about the culture makes us not value education? I went to an all Black private school, which is a great school! Providence St. Mell has 100% of its students going to 4yr colleges and 50% going to top tier schools. So, what in the culture makes you think we don't value education. Oh yeah, you do know we have our own COLLEGES right? However, we don't value education? Hmm...
I didn't say that some black people don't value education. I said that black culture is the reason that when public schools become black they are ruined. I was referring to the violence, vandalism, and militant stupidity.
As for Providence St Mel you are talking about 594 students out of a city of over 400,000 students. And just so you'll know, PSM costs $7270 per student per year (thank Oprah) and the Chicago Public School costs over $15,000 per student.
@Americcan I know what the statistics are on my former school. That's only one school..there are plenty more like it...Chicago Hope, Gordon Tech, Whitney Young..etc. Oprah is no longer a donor..she gave 1 time. Anywho, Black culture is not vandalism, violence...and what's wrong w/ being militant? It is not stupidity. MOST Black ppl value education. It's a part of the Black culture. Example: HBCU's.
@Americcan abide by laws? That's foolish to say! Especially when it has been discovered that 50% of all crime goes unreported AND if a white man and a Black man commit the same offense, the Black man will get more time than the white man IF THE WHITE MAN GETS TIME AT ALL. So as you told me, do some reading before you make these assumptions! How do Black ppl prey on whites? If u don't like us that much, MOVE! Or ur life will be miserable b/c we're not going ANYWHERE!
Stop lying to yourself. It has been theorized that crime goes unreported, because people like you can't handle the truth. But murder does not go unreported anywhere near 50% of the time and blacks are 300% of their representation. And you can't explain away the enormous discrepancy in which thousands of white women are raped by black men, but less than 10 black women per year are raped by white men. Poverty doesn't explain that.
@Americcan Ppl like me? U dnt even know me! If it were true, I'd see u as having a legit point. MURDERS DO GO UNREPORTED! I am a Criminal Justice major PRE LAW! YOU ARE WRONG! Period! So forget those years of slavery when white raped Blacks right? Come on now. You are a racist for no reason! Since you want to talk about rape, 60% of rape cases go unreported so ur point is still NOT VALID!
@Americcan Yeah and you keep telling yourself all of that. Maybe you should take an African American Studies course so you can be more aware of what African American culture is b/c all you have done is spew stereotypes. Don't be so ignorant.
@Americcan Ppl like me? U dnt even know me! If it were true, I'd see u as having a legit point. MURDERS DO GO UNREPORTED! I am a Criminal Justice major PRE LAW! YOU ARE WRONG! Period! So forget those years of slavery when white raped Blacks right? Come on now. You are a racist for no reason! Since you want to talk about rape, 60% of rape cases go unreported so ur point is still NOT VALID! Stop being a biggot and BE REAL!!!
Not that I condone Book of Mormon burning, but refusing a minority to live and love the way the majority can is much worse. You can understand their anger towards Christians cos they're the main advocates of keeping gay marriage unlawful. Can't really imagine what their argument is apart from 'ew they're gay' The fact is, if homosexuals weren't such a minority then gay marriage would be legal, it's similar to why blacks struggled for so long for equal rights cos they too were a minority.
lol she did her best to try to explain herself through the screaming but it looks clear that those two guys were not there to listen but to prove their point with whatever truth was convenient for them
@themrduragss I agree with you. And here is why. (1) There is NO WAY you can compare being gay to being black. (2) Back during the civil rights movement, there were PLENTY of gay white people on both sides of the fence. Some who were racist, some who were not and were fighting for the cause. So gay had nothing to do with it. (3) Blacks, gay or straight, felt the sting of racism. So yes this is a shit debate. And I was appalled to read a cover on an EBONY magazine "IS GAY THE NEW BLACK"? HELL NO
ChelseaSmile12 why don't you ask the white gay community in America why don't they examine their anti black racism?
Since blacks only account for 6.2% of California's total population the white gay folks should of went to straight white folks for support. There is a sense of entitlement and white privilege by white queers they think blacks owe them something. White gays need to jump in a lake we black gay and straight folks have our own struggles and gay marriage is NOT one of them!
One point I agree on is that getting peoples backs up (by burning a Mormon bible on a church doormat) is kinda like doing your weekend shopping with a flamethrower: It makes a mess and it doesn't get the job done.
Beyond that, there is no justification for a ban on gay marriage, just like there was no justification for the Jim Crow laws, both laws are functionally useless and fundamentally unfair.
at 8:30 that guy is totally taking the bible out of context. The south slaveowners perverted the bible to justify slavery. Plus slavery in the bible has a different historical context. Back then people became "slaves" voluntarily and in return got food, shelter, etc. They did that because they had no home, work, etc. Ppl like Besen sicken me.
O'Reilly is such a dick! Whenever he doesn't like what's being said, he talks over his guests, and tries to shut them up. He always gives a right wing, canned line at the end to please religious viewers. Nothing against religious people, but he is obviously rude and ignorant.
These ppl keep arguing the "born that way" and say science said so. I know the few studies they talking about. It's all a big hoax. Nobody is born with a sexual orientation, but our biology tells us the truth of what our true orientation is or at least should be...heterosexuality.
@funk7000 1) state why those studies are all a big hoax
2) if not born with a sexual orientation, explain why homosexuals are homosexual. dont give me that "its choice" crap, because you never chose to be hetero.
you seem extremely biased, especialy how you put the last phrase "our true orientation should be heterosexuality"
@funk7000 Our biology also tells us that we really shouldn't be wearing clothes when it's 110 degrees outside. But the world was conquered by europe, so we all have to deal.
There are people who are born black. Then there are people who are born gay. I don't believe black people should be used as a scapegoat, but more or less, ashamed of themselves. African Americans can't help the fact that they're black, just like homosexuals can't help the way they are attracted to the same sex. Religious differences aside, the black community should have more empathy, after the anguish they had to put through. Otherwise, M.L.K's speech might as well have been only for straights.
@ChelseaSmile13 the main difference is this if someone is gay he can go where ever he wants and people wont know he is gay!un less he is wearing a ascott! lol but all joking aside a black man couldnt go any where without people knowing he is black!
@ChelseaSmile13 Well, there has not been evidence to prove that ppl are born gay...it's a theory. I do believe that homosexuals, as well as heterosexuals, have to answer to God for themselves. Now, I do not think that the issues of African American inferiority in America can be compared to that of gays. Gays were never enslaved, had laws AGAINST them, etc. Also, a lot of African Americans voted b/c of religious values and beliefs.
"Gays were never enslaved, had laws AGAINST them, etc."
Homosexuality was a felony until recently. Men convicted of homosexuality in the UK were transported as slaves to prison colonies. Others were executed. Homosexuality has also been a capital offense for most of the last 1400 years. At a minimum you would lose your family and your business. So shut the fuck up until you know what you're talking about.
@Americcan You do not need to be disrespectful and the fact that u are cursing shows how IGNORANT you are! We are not talking about the United Kingdom! Prop 8, this debate, took place in CALIFORNIA...the United States of America never had a Sodomy Law!!! So, you can stop with your psuedo-intellegence and speak what's real! U pick ONE part of my argument to discuss and you can't even back that up w/ evidence from the US, so u can be quiet now oh ignorant one. Thanks!
You chattering baboon, you don't even read what you have written.
"Gays were never enslaved, had laws AGAINST them, etc"
You didn't limit your comment to the period of time since the Revolution, and even if you did then homosexuality has been a felony for most of that time. So I reiterate, shut the fuck up because you don't know what you're talking about. Actually, just shut the fuck up on general principles. You have nothing of value to contribute.
@Americcan No it has not been a felony!!! There were no laws in the US on sodomy..you still are ignorant. You doon't know me to be name calling is foolish. You can stop it with this foolish conversation.
@Americcan U know what? You're right!!! I should have checked more than 1 source before I made that statement. I do apologize! However, the rudeness/name calling/slander has to stop...it's so uncalled for. GOD BLESS YOU!
@sherrellboo09 except that it homosexuality was an illegal act way into the 20th century and was considered a registered mental illness until about then too. yeah, we've never been discriminated against or seen as inferior...
@MrDkay88, why is it "insulting" to black people to be compared to gays, who, on average, are more educated, compassionate, intelligent, amusing, and attractive than people like you are?
@Sileni, if reporting of God's truth makes no sense to you, how am *I* supposed to straighten you out? Perhaps more reflection and education are in order. Good luck.
@GodCreatesGays2 YET! Its the very unintellegent, unamusing, unattractive, uncompassionate, managed to set trends after trends by keeping the American Economy from going under! Who on earth are you trying to kid here, that type of brainwashing won't ever work on minorities; You all sounded like a bunch of cry babies finger pointing!
@Sileni tries to assert, "Its the very unintellegent, unamusing, unattractive, uncompassionate, managed to set trends after trends by keeping the American Economy from going under!"
No, the trend setters are the gays, too. Why does reality get you so unhinged?
@GodCreatesGays2 Probably because, back during the Civil Rights Movement, NON-Whites (ESPECIALLY BLACKS), GAY or STRAIGHT, were a target of hatred, persecution and discrimination. Sexuallity was not even an issue. Racist white people (GAY or STRAIGHT) oppressed NON-whites. So even if you were gay, you were allowed to sit in the front of the bus. AS LONG AS YOU WERE WHITE. If you were BLACK, it was like "GET YOUR BLACK ASS IN THE BACK OF THE BUS". GAY or STRAIGHT. Understand?
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1, actually, the problem with your theory is that it simply doesn't hold water. Back in the day, black people were at least granted the right to sit at the back of the bus. Gay people would have been thrown under it.
@GodCreatesGays2 Actually my "THEORY" of mine is COLD HARD FACT my friend. Plus I'm talking mostly about the south. But, if you were gay(but "WHITE") and smart enough to keep it to yourself, you could still get away with a whole lot of shit against blacks. Bottom line, DO NOT EXPECT BLACK PEOPLE TO BE RECEPTIVE OF YOU COMPARING TO THE GAY RIGHTS CAUSE WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. And I've heard GAY BLACK PEOPLE say this. FIRMLY.
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1, well, your theory is a "fact" in your mind, I'm sure. As for your second point, why should gays or Jews or left-handed folks or anyone be expected to "hide" their true selves in order to escape bashing, gas chamber, social rejection? The entrenched & idiotic bigotry directed at everyone, including blacks, was the same and had the same negative consequences. That's why Martin Luther King himself would have been pro-gay rights. He knew the truth. Don't get mad at reality.
@GodCreatesGays2 I'm not mad at all. Bad sadly, you have totally missed my point and as I read your latest comment, it doesn't really seem like you are even TRYING to see my point. My brother/sister, I am not going to go tit for tat with you on an issue that, beleive it or not, we actually AGREE ON. I've already told you that I am all for gay couples having the same rights as straight couples. And SOMEHOW, it doesn't compute in your head. I don't know what else to tell you.
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1, and all I am saying is that the effects of prejudice are the same, no matter who the target is. Sure, certain groups can "hide" themselves better, but...why should they have to deny who they are, in order to avoid public condemnation? The feelings, thoughts, experiences of everyone on the receiving end of irrational, vicious bigotry are very similar.
@GodCreatesGays2 It never came off like that in the very beginning as it would've kept the confusion down and bring something more relevent like the way you've stated in a comprehensive language "away" from ethnicity focused more on legality; However its got to take literally 6 years to clear up the GAY Communities bufoonery! But comparing all of what you stated to try and lump it up with slavery AND civil rights just plain stupid! Sad how everyone got to backpeddle on and on again!
@Sileni, in your mind, it may be buffoonery to compare the struggles shared by the black and gay communities, but of course, in the real world, the difficulties they both face are very much alike. Reality won;t change simply because you can't accept or cope with it, I'm afraid.
@GodCreatesGays2 I'm telling you again, GodCreatesGays2, the late 50's into the entire early, mid-to-end of the 60's era had everybody fighting for something separately i.e. feminist rights, union rights, farmers rights, land ownership rights through a joint union of breathing life into each of their own cause legally; Information provided by people who had the knowledge!
Crying shame on a group that knows all to well that "Class-ism isn't a Color Line".
Everything afterwards feels too forced, "No on prop 8. is the same as any denying any other fight for equality in America?" Too wordy, cries of I'm trying way too hard to put all my eggs-in-one-basket at the same time providing a sugar-coated. Watered down. FAKE we all suffer together angle!
Go in any American ghetto spouting this similar type of shit people would've stayed silent and went on about their business...cold but true
@GodCreatesGays2 No he would NOT HAVE BEEN quit spouting defemation on a dead mans character. Sure he MAY have tolarated you as a pastor he can't show any form of hate but stick to the scriptures, and keep the church intact from becoming exploited from the inside-out, like how it is now in this day and age!
@Sileni, complain all you want, but Martin Luther King would have indeed stood up for the gay community and fought for them to have equal rights. Decent, moral, educated people want equality for all. That's just the way it is. Your fighting reality will get you nowhere, I'm afraid.
@GodCreatesGays2 Quit trying to re-write history to better suit YOUR NEEDS under false pretenses. Twisting around the facts about a dead man, out of the many minorities, next to Malcom X who served a stronger purpose in an era that helped America; Your so-called 'cause' is only notorious for muddying arguments... so in all honesty the reality in which your erroneously accusing me of betraying is from one that knows all too fully well a, con from "The Real M'coy". Remove the neonazi then maybe
@Sileni, you're getting yourself more & more confused, I'm afraid. Equality for all His children is God's will, not my personal need...unless you are under the delusion that I am a god.
Your personal ignorance about Martin Luther King will never change the reality. No less an authority than his wife acknowledges Dr. King's desire for equality for the gay community. I daresay she knows her husband better than you. Remain ignorant if you must, but good people want equality for everyone. Sorry.
@MrDkay88 Blacks wanted human rights. Gay want them too. Historical differences aside, the bottom line is that the desire for liberty is equal on both sides. It's not insulting to point out a comparison that is blatantly true.
@ChelseaSmile13 Yes it is. If you remeber the 2000 election the Republican party used the Latin community (besides other under handed tactics been done in Florida) to win the Election; Then fast forward to 2003, a white guy gets his head chopped off by muslims, when the heat got too hot for the then Former Commander-In-Chief a ploy was executed to use the "Gay Card" to derail the topic of why there was so very little security in protecting this contract worker. 2008...Gay the New Black rant.
Whether the campaign was poorly run or not, it doesn't excuse black people voting against gay people's rights. Black people are intelligent enough to know whether they think gay people should get married or not. They don't need a campaign to tell them
You sound like a silly school kid, calling another school kid names, why don't you grow up and have an intelligent conversation, for once? is that too much to ask?
@skatersaxman Seriously, now you won't even respond directly? What a coward. I'm desparately trying to find out about the "French inquisition." How about telling me of a good read, so I can check it out.
@whiteyvanpeebles My man, are you telling me that you are not even capable of doing some simple research? If i told you what i know, you would say i am talking rubbish, so i asked you kindly to go and look for yourself.
When i was growing up as a child, my father always said, go and read it for yourself, don't take the preachermans word for it, so here we go, go and look for yourself, if you do that you will come out more the wiser
@skatersaxman You're a fraud. You can't name a single book or artical that illustrates your point. What you want me to look up doesn't exist. You're as fake as your god. Thanks for being so utterly transparent. I'm sure if I asked an educator to recommend reading material on a subject, they'd refuse. Pathetic.
You're also a liar i.e. bearing false witness, so double fraud. Your god must be proud.
@whiteyvanpeebles Whether you like it or not, God in heaven is your God too. God said, if you want to prove whether he exist, just look at the wanders of nature. Let me ask you a simple question, why do you have so much hatred in your heart towards someone who believe in something? after all you believe in something. Because i believe in God and his creation, you want to crucify me, after all i am not surprised, they crucified Christ!!
@skatersaxman Hate? Puh-leeze! I don't like bullshit artist. Same as any other rational person. I asked you to back up your false claims, you can't. Cite your sources or be proven as a fraud. I sure I already know the answer.
I'll answer that simple question: I hate religious people because their religious beliefs infringe on my rights. I don't believe in God, yet the people that do are preventing me from homosexually marrying.
@fanofthemusic1090 There you go. You lot accuse people who disagree with homosexuality, a bunch of haters, homophobic etc, look at you, stating that you hate all these people, it's ok for a homosexual to openly state that he hate people who disagree with homosexuality , but not the other way round. HYPOCRITS
I do not agree with people injecting their religious beliefs into social policy, telling me or anyone else that their idea of marriage isn't good enough; that it doesn't matter what I think, and that someone else gets to dictate the way I live my life even though my alternate way of life would in no way adversely effect them or give me unfair, exclusive rights denied to traditionally married people.
@fanofthemusic1090 You better be sorry, because when one states that Homosexuality is wrong as stated by God, You lot quickly accuse the person of being Homophobic. It is the Homosexual people who are indoctrinating Kids at school, telling them it is ok to be Homosexual, they are putting it in cartoons, it's on the Tv all the time now etc etc etc, the list goes on. If you don't know what you are, just look in between your legs, that will inform you if you are mail or female.
@fanofthemusic1090 You better be sorry, because when one states that Homosexuality is wrong as stated by God, You lot quickly accuse the person of being Homophobic. It is the Homosexual people who are indoctrinating Kids at school, telling them it is ok to be Homosexual, they are putting it in cartoons, it's on the Tv all the time now etc etc etc, the list goes on. If you don't know what you are, just look in between your legs, that will inform you if you are male or female.
@fanofthemusic1090 There you go. You lot accuse people who disagree with homosexuality, a bunch of haters, homophobic etc, look at you, stating that you hate all these people, it's ok for a homosexual to openly state that he hate people who disagree with homosexuality , but not the other way round. HYPOCRITES
@newdimensionfilms "No BIll, I will not respect your stupidity and bigotry, stop demanding that I do." Thats just funny I dont care who u are lol lol lol
The reason why most people will not look up things for themselves is because they are afraid to find out the truth, and it Mankind do not naturally want to do the right thing. We want to eat what we want, when we want, abuse our bodies with drink, smoke, etc etc, you name it, need i say more?
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"We have a lot more work to do in our common struggle against bigotry and discrimination. I say 'common struggle' because I believe very strongly that all forms of bigotry and discrimination are equally wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans everywhere. Freedom from discrimination based on sexual orientation is surely a fundamental human right in any great democracy, as much as freedom from racial, religious, gender, or ethnic discrimination."
Coretta Scott King
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Sileni 2 months ago
@GodCreatesGays2 I dunno if your trying to counter-argue my previous comment or make an attempt at putting me down for being sarcastic?
People shouldn't be using bogus information regarding a select ethnic group having made zero accomplishments to society, being less attractive and uneducated; However. Majority of societies hottest trends all created from Gays... for straights? Highly doubtful...
Again. Race and Homosexuality two separate, unequal subject matter.
Sileni 2 months ago
As long as people keep saying "GAY IS THE NEW BLACK", black people (GAY or STRAIGHT) are NOT going to go for that. Because GAY WHITE PEOPLE were just as racist as the closet straight ones. Especially the faggot ass KKK. And if you were black, back in the day, you were pretty much FUCKED. Regardless of your SEXUAL ORIENTATION. Therefore, you can't compare the Prop. 8 drama with the Civil Rights Movement. It's Apples and Oranges.
Oaklandgirlpitlover1 2 months ago
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1 Explaining that to GodCreatesGays2 is like putting a square in a sawed out circle. Poisoning the web with this white-washed a.k.a. "modern" sense-of-right-is-wrong-but-all-are-suffering-from-some-sort-of-aneurism-for-not-getting-the-formula-the-gays-bring-this "We all are in the same bubble"; Oddly enoug if minorities were using this type of ruse bet the media'd coined. 'Race Card'. What's sad is that there are more white gay atheist in the KKK than GLAAD. Ironic?
Sileni 2 months ago
@Sileni Yes. You make a very valid point.
Oaklandgirlpitlover1 2 months ago
I just want to point something out here, regarding the blacks voting thing. Blacks voted yes 70% of the time, roughly. There are 2.5 million black people in california, which has a population of 37.1 million. That means that those 70% of blacks who voted yes make up? roughly 4.7%; while 52.24% of the population said yes. That means there's still 47.54% of california who voted yes on prop 8 who are not black. So just looking at numbers it's clear we can't blame blacks for prop 8; it's math.
EricSuede 4 months ago
I believe gay couples should have the same rights as straight couples. For example: (A)Medical benefits on the job for their domestic partner (B) If one dies, the other gets the insurance money or inherits the house. Things like that. Just like Straight couples. BUT, calling it "MARRIAGE" is where I draw the line. And this is the reason I voted Yes on Prop 8. And yes, I realize that even my liberal view on this, as compared to homophobes, may STILL get some negative feedback. Well, THAT'S LIFE.
Oaklandgirlpitlover1 5 months ago
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1 No one will argue with the Gay have the same rights as straight couples. However, don't using race-baiting, political-rhetoric, just to climb up the coat-tails of others who battled much longer than 1950's. Stonewall isn't the same as Birmingham, Alabama Church burning. 1. Protection given to Gays from the mob who, ran and owned that club before the riots. 2. ...They didn't have sell-out snitching so southern corrupt police who did more violence than the gays up north.
Sileni 2 months ago
@Sileni Another thing that pisses me off, is an EBONY magazine cover I saw. The magazine itself was all black (with exception to the red and white EBONY sighn) with bold white letters asking "IS GAY THE NEW BLACK?" If I was black, I would be HIGHLY UPSET. Back then, if you were WHITE (REGARDLES of gay or straight) you could get away with oppressing blacks or other NON-whites. GAY NON-whites and STAIGHT NON-whites were a target. So, NO GAY IS NOT THE NEW BLACK!!! See what I mean?
Oaklandgirlpitlover1 2 months ago
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1 Oh defiantly support all of what you stated! Whistle 'White Nationalism" inside the suburbs and will see how quickly everyone will side BACK with Uncle Sams' children and LOCK-IN-suburbanite. Ethnicity can't be Sexuality, internally or externally; however. Fast-forward into the 22nd Century "Civil Union" is most acceptable. The strategy being used by The Advocate in order to get a rise out of everyone, hurts their cause more, than say... attacking religious televangelist!
Sileni 2 months ago
@Sileni I agree. I am all for "CIVIL UNIONS". And I feel they should be classified with the same rights EQUAL to Marriage (Man and Woman). By calling it "CIVIL UNION", it gives gay couples their own unique classification, and it should be respected just like traditional marriage. With the same rights and everything else that comes with it. Do you agree?
Oaklandgirlpitlover1 2 months ago
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1 CIVIL UNION sounds just about right the sole reason its a "State" or "Government" issue, away from religion itself; Think about it. GLAAD is NOT a religion but a movement, just like the NAACP isn't a religion but a movement. Civil rights was a movement whose roots planted from within the black church that grew outwards; Hence, where the word "Civil and Rights" was coined; Church and State need be separate! ...Do I agree with your comment, its a bit iffy. Ask me why.
Sileni 2 months ago
@Sileni Why?
Oaklandgirlpitlover1 2 months ago
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Sileni 2 months ago
there is nothing wrong with burning the bok of mormon, but gays are wrong
erinnelson92 5 months ago
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ChelseaSmile13 5 months ago
Seriously...gays have been practically burned at the stake for a hundreds of years...this is child's play
garfieldmeateater 5 months ago
@garfieldmeateater ...You sure of that? Proof or it didn't happen!
Sileni 2 months ago
A hate crime against a religious people? Oh, that's just unfair, gays don't know what a hate crime is! How dare they!
ccaves6 6 months ago
Aman "
stonethugmusic 6 months ago
gays are generally moronic
MYSISTERSBOX 6 months ago
@MYSISTERSBOX in that case, you would know, since gay-haters are all in the closet.
LoneRookRS1 2 months ago
They call it the no-spin zone, yet start the debate by villifying pro-gay rights activists as thugs and rioters. Typical fox news. The black community in California are hypocrites to oppose gay marriage.
LoneRookRS1 6 months ago
@LoneRookRS1=Fag
mr300ism 5 months ago
@LoneRookRS1 No they are not, the Advocate should be damn well ashamed of itself for trying to perpetrate itself as being downtrodden, because Uncle Same refused to grant you the right to marry. TO MARRY?
Funny how in the video none of you had the balls to go over that bridge into the BLACK COMMUNITY!
Sileni 2 months ago
@Sileni Dont know what youre going on about but for people who used to be banned from certain marriage rights to do the same unto others is hypocritical. They probably justify it on their interpretation of religious crap fed to their communities since the days of christian missionaries in Africa.
LoneRookRS1 2 months ago
@LoneRookRS1 Your going to bring up interracial marriage, and issues where slaves wanted to marry white women that caused an uproar in congress the states over? ...Look, when a white chick gets caught up with other radicals on security tapes in banks, "Oh its the results of Stockholm Syndrome!" Dude don't bother bringing in Africa or anything else for that matter; Adolf Hitler stated it best! -“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”
Sileni 2 months ago
@Sileni Maybe you should re-read that and then translate it for me in a language other than bullshit.
LoneRookRS1 2 months ago
@LoneRookRS1 Naw, its fine just the way it is... welcome to the here and now, should get off the pop-bandwagon; Bullshit seems to be the only language we're communicating back-n-forth anyways.
Now let us talk about Santa Clause and the soon coming tooth-fairy that'll leave rainbow sprinkles underneath all of our beds instead of quarters... with a note stating "I O U" in bold colorful letters.
Sileni 2 months ago
I will not lie. I believe you cannot choose your gender. You cannot choose your skin color. You cannot choose your ethnicity. You cannot choose your nationality. Because all that has been solidly proven that those are uncontrollable factors. But I do believe you can choose your sexuality because I have yet to find any solid proof that you are born hetero, or homo, or even trans. You choose to be straight, you accept its pros and cons. You choose to be gay, you accept its pros and cons. End it.
TheAkatsuki10 6 months ago
Ugh... I'll say this. I am a heterosexual male. I am a God-loving man. Honestly, the homosexuality thing I could care less about because it does not affect me negatively or positively. I condemn no one to hell. All I do know is that since heterosexuality is right (off hand) and I do not know homosexuality is or isn't (this is not to drag religion because I'm takling non-religiously), I could care less because I won't get tied up into this bickering. Cha~
TheAkatsuki10 6 months ago
The Church Should Stay The Hell Out Of It Because They Don't Pay Taxes.
sophiapuppy 7 months ago
LOL at the two comments below
MrBinieam 7 months ago
4:25 why does she start screaming inexplicably haha
jamchew1982 8 months ago
Yeah, i agree, religious getting in the way of people doing what they want. But, God loves his children, just not what they're doing. Yes, i believe the end times are near. I'm Very anxious to see what's gonna happen Dec. 21, 2012...was Nostradomas right?, we'll see. LOL
001GenLee 8 months ago
oh so americans have the right to limit other americans' rights?
wow i never knew that
good to know
kawaiineko099 8 months ago
@kawaiineko099 No,we don't but the government has gained so much power that they do it anyway.
nero8289 8 months ago
@kawaiineko099 What right are you talking about?
nnjhansen 7 months ago
i think being gay is a bit weird but if they want to get married what the fuck has that got to do with me or anyone else this is just religious people trying to control others with there crazy fairy tales
mcdinkity 9 months ago
gays are god haters!
kfag101 9 months ago
Hate crime by the gays? Really? LOL. What did they do change their wallpaper and blinds?
Denrickman 9 months ago
HOMOSEXUALITY IS A PSYCHOLOGICAL DISEASE NURTURED BY AN INDIVIDUALS ENVIRONMENT. IT ALL IN YOUR HEAD
MrGIMMEMOOR 9 months ago
7:52
No.
BlckSbthMan 9 months ago
7:51 'Homosexuality is an action'
WHAT??
Is heterosexuality an 'action'? Of course not.
That's almost the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
toddles9 9 months ago
@toddles9 Indeed. Sexuality is not an action.
BlckSbthMan 9 months ago
@BlckSbthMan Absolutely right. He's actually saying 'a noun is a verb'. Brilliant.
It seems that gays can't 'redefine' marriage but straights can redefine the English language to suit their own meanings.
It must be great being straight. You can do whatever you like with marriage and no one will sy a thing.
toddles9 9 months ago
@toddles9 Do you happen to be gay?
Also, straight people are the people butchering marriage. Look up any straight celebrity and see how many spouses he or she has had. The odds of the number being over 3 is very likely. Tiger Woods was straight, and look what HE did to marriage.
Two people of the same gender being in love is not something that should be frowned upon. What kind of lunactic puts restrictions on love?
This should not even be an issue. Anti-Gay is Anti-Freedom.
BlckSbthMan 9 months ago
@BlckSbthMan Yes, I am gay.
You are totally right about marriage. They don't want gays to marry because they may 'destroy' it. Yet they say nothing about those who actually are.
toddles9 9 months ago
Bill's argument is that gay marriage leads to "narcotic legalization" and "unlimited abortion"? Oh my dear god.
david030491 9 months ago
Bill O'Reilly = Captain Asshat
pnorton22 10 months ago
do I wanna hear this? no I don't. am I gonna watch it just to see what idiotic things will be said? yeah
Clearie552 10 months ago
Is there any aspect of their existence that black people will not try to excuse by the actions of others? No one is at fault for how black people voted on Prop 8 except black people being stupid and hypocritical. No Jasmin, it's not beacause we didn't buy the blacks enough balloons, it's because they are assholes, just like the Republicans they voted with . Well guess what Jasmin, in 2012 you can convince yourself that Obama is going home because of racism instead of payback for Prop 8.
Americcan 10 months ago
@Americcan One doesn't have to be stupid just to disagree. That's ignorant to say that. She's a lesbian, she does not have to excuse anyone. We don't need to be excused. If people don't agree, they just don't agree. Why do they need to be called stupid?
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
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Argentina has legalized gay marriage. If we want to make it into the first 10 nations with equal civil rights for all citizens, we're cutting it close!
The problem with gay marriage equality is there is no problem. Gay marriage hurts no one. To legally prohibit two consenting adults who love each other from marrying is not only ignorant, it's un-American.
If your religion forbids happiness and joy and instead promotes causing needless pain and suffering, question your religion, not equality.
schlummieleinchen 10 months ago
Still bitchen about being black and so put upon, I have been listening to this for decades.
Clemburke1111 10 months ago
@Clemburke1111 LOL! Who's complaining about being Black? She is talking about the race relations in this country, which are still pretty bad eventhough they have gotten better. People aren't going to stop talking about race relations until there is an even playing field amongst all races in America...so we can all get used to that.
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
@sherrellboo09 Blacks are the largest race to be anti gay marriage yet we must respect them, and alos needing more rights which they have 100% of all american rights where as gays lack over 1000 rights.
Clemburke1111 9 months ago
@Clemburke1111 Again, if they don't want to agree, they don't have to. But to say that people are complaining about being Black is foolish!
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
@sherrellboo09 No, they dont have to agree with gays getting the 2000 rights that comes with gay marriage but gays will never forget that blacks are thene number one group agaist gay rights, and when it coes to blacks needing the help in he future from gays,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, they will be fucked..
Clemburke1111 9 months ago
@Clemburke1111 Its also important to keep in mind that the majority of the bigotry directed at the gay community from the black community is based in ignorance and related to education levels. The black family next door to me is convinced a ghost lives in their house......should I really be expecting a healthy attitude toward complex social issues?
clubindiana4 9 months ago
@clubindiana4 The black community needs to work on the dead beat daddy rate and prison rate before they attack other groups, but the black commuinity is known to divert at every cross road.
Clemburke1111 9 months ago
@sherrellboo09
"She is talking about the race relations in this country, which are still pretty bad "
Which couldn't have anything to do with the general obnoxiousness of black people, who make neighborhoods unsafe, who ruin any school in which they become a majority, who commit crimes at multiples of their representation, and who generally prey on white and law abiding people.
I have had enough of black people we all have. That's why .380 ammo is so expensive.
Americcan 9 months ago
@Americcan No, it doesn't have anything to do w/ that! You can read your statistics. Black people in general are not obnoxious. Black ppl make neighborhoods unsafe? Really? ANY PERSON CAN MAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD UNSAFE! Actually, if you read abt Black schools like HBCU's, they are great schools! If u mean high schools, then that isn't true either, POOR schools are ruined not BLACK SCHOOLS! When the state does budget cuts, it cuts the $ in THESE schools! So stop it! Do Black ppl not
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
@sherrellboo09
"POOR schools are ruined not BLACK SCHOOLS! When the state does budget cuts, it cuts the $ in THESE schools!"
Wrong. Do your homework. DC public schools, Baltimore public schools, New York public schools all have per pupil expenditures which would make a private school expensive and proud. And they all suck. And they suck since blacks became the majority in those school systems. The reason is cultural, and as soon as you can accept that, the sooner the remedy is on the way.
Americcan 9 months ago
@Americcan What about the culture makes us not value education? I went to an all Black private school, which is a great school! Providence St. Mell has 100% of its students going to 4yr colleges and 50% going to top tier schools. So, what in the culture makes you think we don't value education. Oh yeah, you do know we have our own COLLEGES right? However, we don't value education? Hmm...
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
@sherrellboo09
I didn't say that some black people don't value education. I said that black culture is the reason that when public schools become black they are ruined. I was referring to the violence, vandalism, and militant stupidity.
As for Providence St Mel you are talking about 594 students out of a city of over 400,000 students. And just so you'll know, PSM costs $7270 per student per year (thank Oprah) and the Chicago Public School costs over $15,000 per student.
Americcan 9 months ago
@Americcan I know what the statistics are on my former school. That's only one school..there are plenty more like it...Chicago Hope, Gordon Tech, Whitney Young..etc. Oprah is no longer a donor..she gave 1 time. Anywho, Black culture is not vandalism, violence...and what's wrong w/ being militant? It is not stupidity. MOST Black ppl value education. It's a part of the Black culture. Example: HBCU's.
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
@Americcan abide by laws? That's foolish to say! Especially when it has been discovered that 50% of all crime goes unreported AND if a white man and a Black man commit the same offense, the Black man will get more time than the white man IF THE WHITE MAN GETS TIME AT ALL. So as you told me, do some reading before you make these assumptions! How do Black ppl prey on whites? If u don't like us that much, MOVE! Or ur life will be miserable b/c we're not going ANYWHERE!
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
@sherrellboo09
Stop lying to yourself. It has been theorized that crime goes unreported, because people like you can't handle the truth. But murder does not go unreported anywhere near 50% of the time and blacks are 300% of their representation. And you can't explain away the enormous discrepancy in which thousands of white women are raped by black men, but less than 10 black women per year are raped by white men. Poverty doesn't explain that.
Americcan 9 months ago
@Americcan Ppl like me? U dnt even know me! If it were true, I'd see u as having a legit point. MURDERS DO GO UNREPORTED! I am a Criminal Justice major PRE LAW! YOU ARE WRONG! Period! So forget those years of slavery when white raped Blacks right? Come on now. You are a racist for no reason! Since you want to talk about rape, 60% of rape cases go unreported so ur point is still NOT VALID!
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
@sherrellboo09
Keep telling yourself all that , honey.
Americcan 9 months ago
@Americcan Yeah and you keep telling yourself all of that. Maybe you should take an African American Studies course so you can be more aware of what African American culture is b/c all you have done is spew stereotypes. Don't be so ignorant.
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
@Americcan Ppl like me? U dnt even know me! If it were true, I'd see u as having a legit point. MURDERS DO GO UNREPORTED! I am a Criminal Justice major PRE LAW! YOU ARE WRONG! Period! So forget those years of slavery when white raped Blacks right? Come on now. You are a racist for no reason! Since you want to talk about rape, 60% of rape cases go unreported so ur point is still NOT VALID! Stop being a biggot and BE REAL!!!
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
Actually we need to set that church on fire with every mormon in it.
Clemburke1111 10 months ago
if homosexuality is an "action", how come hoardes of suburban white kids "act black?" wtf is o'reilly talking about.
thedailyblazer 11 months ago
Not that I condone Book of Mormon burning, but refusing a minority to live and love the way the majority can is much worse. You can understand their anger towards Christians cos they're the main advocates of keeping gay marriage unlawful. Can't really imagine what their argument is apart from 'ew they're gay' The fact is, if homosexuals weren't such a minority then gay marriage would be legal, it's similar to why blacks struggled for so long for equal rights cos they too were a minority.
NICKvavavoomCAREY 11 months ago
lol she did her best to try to explain herself through the screaming but it looks clear that those two guys were not there to listen but to prove their point with whatever truth was convenient for them
chente 11 months ago
You killed it girl
martystreets 11 months ago
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Minister Martin Luther King JR was a hardcore christian he would have been against gay marriage!
abayarde5 1 year ago
WoW what a shit debate
themrduragss 1 year ago 5
@themrduragss I agree with you. And here is why. (1) There is NO WAY you can compare being gay to being black. (2) Back during the civil rights movement, there were PLENTY of gay white people on both sides of the fence. Some who were racist, some who were not and were fighting for the cause. So gay had nothing to do with it. (3) Blacks, gay or straight, felt the sting of racism. So yes this is a shit debate. And I was appalled to read a cover on an EBONY magazine "IS GAY THE NEW BLACK"? HELL NO
Oaklandgirlpitlover1 5 months ago
ChelseaSmile12 why don't you ask the white gay community in America why don't they examine their anti black racism?
Since blacks only account for 6.2% of California's total population the white gay folks should of went to straight white folks for support. There is a sense of entitlement and white privilege by white queers they think blacks owe them something. White gays need to jump in a lake we black gay and straight folks have our own struggles and gay marriage is NOT one of them!
JordanjamesX 1 year ago
@JordanjamesX
Fuck you.
Americcan 10 months ago
One point I agree on is that getting peoples backs up (by burning a Mormon bible on a church doormat) is kinda like doing your weekend shopping with a flamethrower: It makes a mess and it doesn't get the job done.
Beyond that, there is no justification for a ban on gay marriage, just like there was no justification for the Jim Crow laws, both laws are functionally useless and fundamentally unfair.
Psychotol 1 year ago
at 8:30 that guy is totally taking the bible out of context. The south slaveowners perverted the bible to justify slavery. Plus slavery in the bible has a different historical context. Back then people became "slaves" voluntarily and in return got food, shelter, etc. They did that because they had no home, work, etc. Ppl like Besen sicken me.
joenike55 1 year ago
O'Reilly is such a dick! Whenever he doesn't like what's being said, he talks over his guests, and tries to shut them up. He always gives a right wing, canned line at the end to please religious viewers. Nothing against religious people, but he is obviously rude and ignorant.
00bb00bb00 1 year ago
@00bb00bb00=piece of shit!
Sweepersucksballs 8 months ago
I cannot believe this. In 20 years, this is going to look so absurd. WE ARE CREATED EQUAL!!
00bb00bb00 1 year ago
Hate crime....FUCKING HATE CRIME?!?
ARE YOU KIDDING?!
THE BOOK ITSELF IS A FUCKING HATE CRIME!
lifescomicrelief 1 year ago
civil rights should not be up to a vote. fuck you o'reilly. fuck you.
cmtsoccer9 1 year ago
@cmtsoccer9=No fuck you!
Sweepersucksballs 8 months ago
These ppl keep arguing the "born that way" and say science said so. I know the few studies they talking about. It's all a big hoax. Nobody is born with a sexual orientation, but our biology tells us the truth of what our true orientation is or at least should be...heterosexuality.
funk7000 1 year ago
@funk7000 1) state why those studies are all a big hoax
2) if not born with a sexual orientation, explain why homosexuals are homosexual. dont give me that "its choice" crap, because you never chose to be hetero.
you seem extremely biased, especialy how you put the last phrase "our true orientation should be heterosexuality"
yeah, to hell with overpopulation.
Extra365 1 year ago
@funk7000 Our biology also tells us that we really shouldn't be wearing clothes when it's 110 degrees outside. But the world was conquered by europe, so we all have to deal.
Clearie552 10 months ago
BLAAAAH
IdaSputum 1 year ago
I just love how Bill keeps interupting them...
ninjainfocardX 1 year ago
YEEEEEAAAAAAAAAH FOR FOX NEWS go BILL ***********
dzheath 1 year ago
There are people who are born black. Then there are people who are born gay. I don't believe black people should be used as a scapegoat, but more or less, ashamed of themselves. African Americans can't help the fact that they're black, just like homosexuals can't help the way they are attracted to the same sex. Religious differences aside, the black community should have more empathy, after the anguish they had to put through. Otherwise, M.L.K's speech might as well have been only for straights.
ChelseaSmile13 1 year ago 14
@ChelseaSmile13 the main difference is this if someone is gay he can go where ever he wants and people wont know he is gay!un less he is wearing a ascott! lol but all joking aside a black man couldnt go any where without people knowing he is black!
abayarde5 1 year ago
@ChelseaSmile13 Well, there has not been evidence to prove that ppl are born gay...it's a theory. I do believe that homosexuals, as well as heterosexuals, have to answer to God for themselves. Now, I do not think that the issues of African American inferiority in America can be compared to that of gays. Gays were never enslaved, had laws AGAINST them, etc. Also, a lot of African Americans voted b/c of religious values and beliefs.
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
@sherrellboo09
"Gays were never enslaved, had laws AGAINST them, etc."
Homosexuality was a felony until recently. Men convicted of homosexuality in the UK were transported as slaves to prison colonies. Others were executed. Homosexuality has also been a capital offense for most of the last 1400 years. At a minimum you would lose your family and your business. So shut the fuck up until you know what you're talking about.
Americcan 9 months ago
@Americcan You do not need to be disrespectful and the fact that u are cursing shows how IGNORANT you are! We are not talking about the United Kingdom! Prop 8, this debate, took place in CALIFORNIA...the United States of America never had a Sodomy Law!!! So, you can stop with your psuedo-intellegence and speak what's real! U pick ONE part of my argument to discuss and you can't even back that up w/ evidence from the US, so u can be quiet now oh ignorant one. Thanks!
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
@sherrellboo09
You chattering baboon, you don't even read what you have written.
"Gays were never enslaved, had laws AGAINST them, etc"
You didn't limit your comment to the period of time since the Revolution, and even if you did then homosexuality has been a felony for most of that time. So I reiterate, shut the fuck up because you don't know what you're talking about. Actually, just shut the fuck up on general principles. You have nothing of value to contribute.
Americcan 9 months ago
@Americcan No it has not been a felony!!! There were no laws in the US on sodomy..you still are ignorant. You doon't know me to be name calling is foolish. You can stop it with this foolish conversation.
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
@Americcan U know what? You're right!!! I should have checked more than 1 source before I made that statement. I do apologize! However, the rudeness/name calling/slander has to stop...it's so uncalled for. GOD BLESS YOU!
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
@sherrellboo09 except that it homosexuality was an illegal act way into the 20th century and was considered a registered mental illness until about then too. yeah, we've never been discriminated against or seen as inferior...
Stevie2Sxc 9 months ago
@Stevie2Sxc Oh yeah...I'm definitely not saying gays were never discriminated against. They haven't gotten equal rights. I agreed w/ that.
sherrellboo09 9 months ago
@ChelseaSmile13 Naw we don't have to have empathy for homosexuality! We believe in the Lord and That's that!
BXTALE 6 months ago 3
@BXTALE well if there was a "Lord" he would probably smite you. haha ^^
ChelseaSmile13 5 months ago
@ChelseaSmile13 So basically he would smite you to since your talkin ignorance!
BXTALE 5 months ago
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@BXTALE Evading the issue by involving religion.... yeah, because that's so not ignorant :l
ChelseaSmile13 5 months ago
@ChelseaSmile13 stop insulting black people by comparing them to gays
MrDkay88 4 months ago
@MrDkay88, why is it "insulting" to black people to be compared to gays, who, on average, are more educated, compassionate, intelligent, amusing, and attractive than people like you are?
GodCreatesGays2 4 months ago 3
@GodCreatesGays2 You made zero sense. What did you hope to accomplish in using double-speak and race baiting?
Sileni 2 months ago
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@Sileni, if reporting of God's truth makes no sense to you, how am *I* supposed to straighten you out? Perhaps more reflection and education are in order. Good luck.
GodCreatesGays2 2 months ago
@GodCreatesGays2 YET! Its the very unintellegent, unamusing, unattractive, uncompassionate, managed to set trends after trends by keeping the American Economy from going under! Who on earth are you trying to kid here, that type of brainwashing won't ever work on minorities; You all sounded like a bunch of cry babies finger pointing!
Sileni 2 months ago
@Sileni tries to assert, "Its the very unintellegent, unamusing, unattractive, uncompassionate, managed to set trends after trends by keeping the American Economy from going under!"
No, the trend setters are the gays, too. Why does reality get you so unhinged?
GodCreatesGays2 2 months ago
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Sileni 2 months ago
@GodCreatesGays2 Probably because, back during the Civil Rights Movement, NON-Whites (ESPECIALLY BLACKS), GAY or STRAIGHT, were a target of hatred, persecution and discrimination. Sexuallity was not even an issue. Racist white people (GAY or STRAIGHT) oppressed NON-whites. So even if you were gay, you were allowed to sit in the front of the bus. AS LONG AS YOU WERE WHITE. If you were BLACK, it was like "GET YOUR BLACK ASS IN THE BACK OF THE BUS". GAY or STRAIGHT. Understand?
Oaklandgirlpitlover1 2 months ago
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1, actually, the problem with your theory is that it simply doesn't hold water. Back in the day, black people were at least granted the right to sit at the back of the bus. Gay people would have been thrown under it.
GodCreatesGays2 2 months ago
@GodCreatesGays2 Actually my "THEORY" of mine is COLD HARD FACT my friend. Plus I'm talking mostly about the south. But, if you were gay(but "WHITE") and smart enough to keep it to yourself, you could still get away with a whole lot of shit against blacks. Bottom line, DO NOT EXPECT BLACK PEOPLE TO BE RECEPTIVE OF YOU COMPARING TO THE GAY RIGHTS CAUSE WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. And I've heard GAY BLACK PEOPLE say this. FIRMLY.
Oaklandgirlpitlover1 2 months ago
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1, well, your theory is a "fact" in your mind, I'm sure. As for your second point, why should gays or Jews or left-handed folks or anyone be expected to "hide" their true selves in order to escape bashing, gas chamber, social rejection? The entrenched & idiotic bigotry directed at everyone, including blacks, was the same and had the same negative consequences. That's why Martin Luther King himself would have been pro-gay rights. He knew the truth. Don't get mad at reality.
GodCreatesGays2 2 months ago
@GodCreatesGays2 I'm not mad at all. Bad sadly, you have totally missed my point and as I read your latest comment, it doesn't really seem like you are even TRYING to see my point. My brother/sister, I am not going to go tit for tat with you on an issue that, beleive it or not, we actually AGREE ON. I've already told you that I am all for gay couples having the same rights as straight couples. And SOMEHOW, it doesn't compute in your head. I don't know what else to tell you.
Oaklandgirlpitlover1 2 months ago
@Oaklandgirlpitlover1, and all I am saying is that the effects of prejudice are the same, no matter who the target is. Sure, certain groups can "hide" themselves better, but...why should they have to deny who they are, in order to avoid public condemnation? The feelings, thoughts, experiences of everyone on the receiving end of irrational, vicious bigotry are very similar.
GodCreatesGays2 2 months ago
@GodCreatesGays2 Yes. You are right about that part. But THAT is where the similarity ends.
Oaklandgirlpitlover1 2 months ago
@GodCreatesGays2 It never came off like that in the very beginning as it would've kept the confusion down and bring something more relevent like the way you've stated in a comprehensive language "away" from ethnicity focused more on legality; However its got to take literally 6 years to clear up the GAY Communities bufoonery! But comparing all of what you stated to try and lump it up with slavery AND civil rights just plain stupid! Sad how everyone got to backpeddle on and on again!
Sileni 2 months ago
@Sileni, in your mind, it may be buffoonery to compare the struggles shared by the black and gay communities, but of course, in the real world, the difficulties they both face are very much alike. Reality won;t change simply because you can't accept or cope with it, I'm afraid.
GodCreatesGays2 2 months ago
@GodCreatesGays2 I'm telling you again, GodCreatesGays2, the late 50's into the entire early, mid-to-end of the 60's era had everybody fighting for something separately i.e. feminist rights, union rights, farmers rights, land ownership rights through a joint union of breathing life into each of their own cause legally; Information provided by people who had the knowledge!
Crying shame on a group that knows all to well that "Class-ism isn't a Color Line".
I'm NOT against you or marryage
Sileni 2 months ago
@Sileni @GodCreatesGays2 *Marriage.
You want Civil Union. Fine...
Everything afterwards feels too forced, "No on prop 8. is the same as any denying any other fight for equality in America?" Too wordy, cries of I'm trying way too hard to put all my eggs-in-one-basket at the same time providing a sugar-coated. Watered down. FAKE we all suffer together angle!
Go in any American ghetto spouting this similar type of shit people would've stayed silent and went on about their business...cold but true
Sileni 2 months ago
@GodCreatesGays2 No he would NOT HAVE BEEN quit spouting defemation on a dead mans character. Sure he MAY have tolarated you as a pastor he can't show any form of hate but stick to the scriptures, and keep the church intact from becoming exploited from the inside-out, like how it is now in this day and age!
Sileni 2 months ago
@Sileni, complain all you want, but Martin Luther King would have indeed stood up for the gay community and fought for them to have equal rights. Decent, moral, educated people want equality for all. That's just the way it is. Your fighting reality will get you nowhere, I'm afraid.
GodCreatesGays2 2 months ago
@GodCreatesGays2 Quit trying to re-write history to better suit YOUR NEEDS under false pretenses. Twisting around the facts about a dead man, out of the many minorities, next to Malcom X who served a stronger purpose in an era that helped America; Your so-called 'cause' is only notorious for muddying arguments... so in all honesty the reality in which your erroneously accusing me of betraying is from one that knows all too fully well a, con from "The Real M'coy". Remove the neonazi then maybe
Sileni 2 months ago
@Sileni, you're getting yourself more & more confused, I'm afraid. Equality for all His children is God's will, not my personal need...unless you are under the delusion that I am a god.
Your personal ignorance about Martin Luther King will never change the reality. No less an authority than his wife acknowledges Dr. King's desire for equality for the gay community. I daresay she knows her husband better than you. Remain ignorant if you must, but good people want equality for everyone. Sorry.
GodCreatesGays2 2 months ago
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Sileni 2 months ago
@MrDkay88 Blacks wanted human rights. Gay want them too. Historical differences aside, the bottom line is that the desire for liberty is equal on both sides. It's not insulting to point out a comparison that is blatantly true.
ChelseaSmile13 4 months ago
@ChelseaSmile13 Yes it is. If you remeber the 2000 election the Republican party used the Latin community (besides other under handed tactics been done in Florida) to win the Election; Then fast forward to 2003, a white guy gets his head chopped off by muslims, when the heat got too hot for the then Former Commander-In-Chief a ploy was executed to use the "Gay Card" to derail the topic of why there was so very little security in protecting this contract worker. 2008...Gay the New Black rant.
Sileni 2 months ago
Bill is such a fucking idiot. LET THE WOMAN TALK! Geez, jackass
Person0805 1 year ago
u are boarn with balck skin.....i get that
homosexuality is and action.....hmmmm i dont think u choose who ur attractedtoo billis and idiot
girlcalledaish 1 year ago
Whether the campaign was poorly run or not, it doesn't excuse black people voting against gay people's rights. Black people are intelligent enough to know whether they think gay people should get married or not. They don't need a campaign to tell them
KingKungFuCantona 1 year ago
I LOVE THAT THESE BIBLE BEATERS SURE CAN DISH IT OUT BUT WOW, THEY SURE CANT TAKE IT
dorianstark 1 year ago
Gay activists are facists. I voted no on prop 8 but I am glad it passed and I think the supreme court will over rule the judge
kfag101 1 year ago
@kfag101
y do u think they are facist...they just want equl rights
girlcalledaish 1 year ago
*snort* Unbiased news, my arse.
giorgiakerr 1 year ago
"homosexuality is an action"
Yet to be proven, Billo.
fanofthemusic1090 1 year ago
Light always outshine darkness, good always overcome evil
skatersaxman 1 year ago
@skatersaxman Dismissed, fraud.
whiteyvanpeebles 1 year ago
@whiteyvanpeebles Homosexuality is condemned by God as a sin, i rest my case
skatersaxman 1 year ago
@skatersaxman How is that relevant? Project much?
whiteyvanpeebles 1 year ago
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@skatersaxman "Homosexuality is condemned by God as a sin, i rest my case"
Shit first u have to have a case, can u prove god exist NO so u have no case 2nd the bible was 100% written by MAN NOT GOD MAN NOT GOD DUHHHHHH
tach69 1 year ago
@skatersaxman god isnt real, there goes your case
i rest my case
idaman12345 1 year ago
You sound like a silly school kid, calling another school kid names, why don't you grow up and have an intelligent conversation, for once? is that too much to ask?
skatersaxman 1 year ago
@skatersaxman Seriously, now you won't even respond directly? What a coward. I'm desparately trying to find out about the "French inquisition." How about telling me of a good read, so I can check it out.
whiteyvanpeebles 1 year ago
@whiteyvanpeebles My man, are you telling me that you are not even capable of doing some simple research? If i told you what i know, you would say i am talking rubbish, so i asked you kindly to go and look for yourself.
When i was growing up as a child, my father always said, go and read it for yourself, don't take the preachermans word for it, so here we go, go and look for yourself, if you do that you will come out more the wiser
skatersaxman 1 year ago
@skatersaxman You're a fraud. You can't name a single book or artical that illustrates your point. What you want me to look up doesn't exist. You're as fake as your god. Thanks for being so utterly transparent. I'm sure if I asked an educator to recommend reading material on a subject, they'd refuse. Pathetic.
You're also a liar i.e. bearing false witness, so double fraud. Your god must be proud.
whiteyvanpeebles 1 year ago
@whiteyvanpeebles Whether you like it or not, God in heaven is your God too. God said, if you want to prove whether he exist, just look at the wanders of nature. Let me ask you a simple question, why do you have so much hatred in your heart towards someone who believe in something? after all you believe in something. Because i believe in God and his creation, you want to crucify me, after all i am not surprised, they crucified Christ!!
skatersaxman 1 year ago
@skatersaxman Hate? Puh-leeze! I don't like bullshit artist. Same as any other rational person. I asked you to back up your false claims, you can't. Cite your sources or be proven as a fraud. I sure I already know the answer.
whiteyvanpeebles 1 year ago
@skatersaxman "Because i believe in God and his creation, you want to crucify me"
Oh, BOO - fucking - HOO! Crucified? Seriously? Quite the little drama queen, aren't we?
whiteyvanpeebles 1 year ago
@skatersaxman
I'll answer that simple question: I hate religious people because their religious beliefs infringe on my rights. I don't believe in God, yet the people that do are preventing me from homosexually marrying.
fanofthemusic1090 1 year ago
@fanofthemusic1090 There you go. You lot accuse people who disagree with homosexuality, a bunch of haters, homophobic etc, look at you, stating that you hate all these people, it's ok for a homosexual to openly state that he hate people who disagree with homosexuality , but not the other way round. HYPOCRITS
skatersaxman 1 year ago
@skatersaxman
Yeah, okay, hypocritical. Sorry.
I do not agree with people injecting their religious beliefs into social policy, telling me or anyone else that their idea of marriage isn't good enough; that it doesn't matter what I think, and that someone else gets to dictate the way I live my life even though my alternate way of life would in no way adversely effect them or give me unfair, exclusive rights denied to traditionally married people.
fanofthemusic1090 1 year ago
@fanofthemusic1090 You better be sorry, because when one states that Homosexuality is wrong as stated by God, You lot quickly accuse the person of being Homophobic. It is the Homosexual people who are indoctrinating Kids at school, telling them it is ok to be Homosexual, they are putting it in cartoons, it's on the Tv all the time now etc etc etc, the list goes on. If you don't know what you are, just look in between your legs, that will inform you if you are mail or female.
skatersaxman 1 year ago
@skatersaxman
Gay is fine, dude. Your opinion does not invalidate all others. Maybe Evangelists are closing kids' minds to a valid way of life.
fanofthemusic1090 1 year ago
@fanofthemusic1090 You better be sorry, because when one states that Homosexuality is wrong as stated by God, You lot quickly accuse the person of being Homophobic. It is the Homosexual people who are indoctrinating Kids at school, telling them it is ok to be Homosexual, they are putting it in cartoons, it's on the Tv all the time now etc etc etc, the list goes on. If you don't know what you are, just look in between your legs, that will inform you if you are male or female.
skatersaxman 1 year ago
@skatersaxman where is it stated by god?
not the bible thats written by man
idaman12345 1 year ago
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@fanofthemusic1090 There you go. You lot accuse people who disagree with homosexuality, a bunch of haters, homophobic etc, look at you, stating that you hate all these people, it's ok for a homosexual to openly state that he hate people who disagree with homosexuality , but not the other way round. HYPOCRITES
skatersaxman 1 year ago
No BIll, I will not respect your stupidity and bigotry, stop demanding that I do.
newdimensionfilms 1 year ago 23
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@newdimensionfilms "No BIll, I will not respect your stupidity and bigotry, stop demanding that I do." Thats just funny I dont care who u are lol lol lol
tach69 1 year ago
@newdimensionfilms stupidity? a harvard grad? get real! you libs can't handle the truth
kfag101 1 year ago
@kfag101
He may not BE stupid (I think he's more evil than stupid) but "his stupidity" consists of the stupid things he says.
Plus plenty of dumb people make it through good schools.
newdimensionfilms 1 year ago
The reason why most people will not look up things for themselves is because they are afraid to find out the truth, and it Mankind do not naturally want to do the right thing. We want to eat what we want, when we want, abuse our bodies with drink, smoke, etc etc, you name it, need i say more?
skatersaxman 1 year ago