Thanks to the music what starts at 4:48 is one of the most disturbing and simultanously the most beautiful moment I've ever seen in movies. And I saw many. Respect.
"@csigahaver...in an eastern european context, images of emaciated naked old men still harken back...bela tarr knows the images that still retain in that part of the world...thats what makes it such a powerful moment...as if saying, "this is where mass actions can lead". And thats why they suddenly stop- a reminder."
I don't understand the above statement. Can someone please explain?
I think it's odd that there are no screams of protest heard from the patients. They just quietly accept what ever's happening. The cinematography is great but there is still some thing rather sophomoric and overly sentimental about the scene.
@edeneye808 ...but it is all about how we accept, without protest, what is done to us...the everyday violence...and finally, the perpetrators...rendered impotent by their confrontation with naked and vulnerable humanity - what they know we are all reduced to, simply leave...incredibly beautiful
@interzone3 this is how I read the movie too, except in real life the perpetrators don't stop when confronted by vulnerability. I also inversed the reading, seeing the violent attackers as the working class, sick of being abused, turning to anger and violence, only to be confronted by their own conscience (unlike real perpetrators). So, they leave, unable to kill the greedy old man, to drop the final blow, because they are essentially good. So, they committ themselves to continued poverty.
i first saw this 5 years ago and my movie watching has suffered since then - nothing (living) comes close to this mans vision of cinema,shame about 'The man from London' but I guess someone said he needs to make a profit.on DVD at least.If you haven't seen Satantango try and see it-7 of the bleakest hours ever commited to celluloid.Fantastic.
"and when the clamor dies down the Prince said this : what they build and what they will build,what they do and what they will do is delusion and lies,what they think and what they will think is ridiculous,they think because they are afraid and he who is afraid knows nothing,He says he likes it when things fall apart"
I think it has something to deal with the holocaust. In this film, people (except the postman and the musicologist) are under a malediction since the travelling theater has arrived into the village. The vision of the old man in the bathroom immediately stop the wave of murders as if an acute point of the collective memory would have been touched. Such a picture cannot come from nowhere.
@csigahaver...in an eastern european context, images of emaciated naked old men still harken back...bela tarr knows the images that still retain in that part of the world...thats what makes it such a powerful moment...as if saying, "this is where mass actions can lead". And thats why they suddenly stop- a reminder.
Btw, you should definitely see some of Tarkovskys films. Very great director. If you like him, you will also appreciate Angeloupolos, Zvyagintsev, Sukorov and of couse Bela Tarr! :)
Cool. I just bought Zerkalo, Nosthalgia and Ivan´s childhood. I´ve only seen the sacrifice, and it did things to me. I´ll look in to those other 3, I just love seeing immanence in cinema, and Tarkovski takes a huge hit on (I supose) everyone who watches him. I´m going to take my time with these ones, it´s just too intense.
Now I´ll try to find Bela´s films, they just don´t exist here in Brasil.
One of my fauvorite directors, and this film is one of the best films of the european cinema. Completelly comparable whith Bergman, Tarkovsky,Sokurov,Pasolini,Dreyer or Oliveira.Thank you master Tarr.
Thanks to the music what starts at 4:48 is one of the most disturbing and simultanously the most beautiful moment I've ever seen in movies. And I saw many. Respect.
Bell1970 1 week ago
@Bell1970 thanks tarr for this
that moment is in most exciting & powerful moments in cinematography i've seen too
CAIIIKA 1 week ago
TARKOSKY, MICHALANGELO ANTONIONI FUERON UNOS GRANDE SMAESTROS E INPIRADORES. AGREGO A EL ALEMAN . FASSBINDER
israelmonrroy 1 month ago
I am glad that i know Bela's work. Its a secret that i share only with the people that have seen his art.
cineasta71 6 months ago
why is the whole scene so quiet?
ruizj2006 6 months ago
@ruizj2006 To express the irreal meaning of this scene. It's about the mankind's cruelty until meeting God's powerful force.
nemnagydolog 2 months ago
unfathomable talent.
tirzahb 7 months ago
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"@csigahaver...in an eastern european context, images of emaciated naked old men still harken back...bela tarr knows the images that still retain in that part of the world...thats what makes it such a powerful moment...as if saying, "this is where mass actions can lead". And thats why they suddenly stop- a reminder."
I don't understand the above statement. Can someone please explain?
channanator 7 months ago
How can I find the awesome soundtrack? Please...
reverse17 9 months ago
Without Words.....Thanks!!!
ProMachoMuerto 11 months ago
Powerful! Has something that makes you feel ashamed...
res3571 1 year ago
I think it's odd that there are no screams of protest heard from the patients. They just quietly accept what ever's happening. The cinematography is great but there is still some thing rather sophomoric and overly sentimental about the scene.
edeneye808 1 year ago
@edeneye808 Don't take it on face value.
mourantell 9 months ago
@edeneye808 ...but it is all about how we accept, without protest, what is done to us...the everyday violence...and finally, the perpetrators...rendered impotent by their confrontation with naked and vulnerable humanity - what they know we are all reduced to, simply leave...incredibly beautiful
interzone3 6 months ago
@interzone3 this is how I read the movie too, except in real life the perpetrators don't stop when confronted by vulnerability. I also inversed the reading, seeing the violent attackers as the working class, sick of being abused, turning to anger and violence, only to be confronted by their own conscience (unlike real perpetrators). So, they leave, unable to kill the greedy old man, to drop the final blow, because they are essentially good. So, they committ themselves to continued poverty.
jmcguk 4 months ago
i first saw this 5 years ago and my movie watching has suffered since then - nothing (living) comes close to this mans vision of cinema,shame about 'The man from London' but I guess someone said he needs to make a profit.on DVD at least.If you haven't seen Satantango try and see it-7 of the bleakest hours ever commited to celluloid.Fantastic.
lavish88 1 year ago
Mihaly Vig's score is one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever written.
dasbakon 1 year ago
"and when the clamor dies down the Prince said this : what they build and what they will build,what they do and what they will do is delusion and lies,what they think and what they will think is ridiculous,they think because they are afraid and he who is afraid knows nothing,He says he likes it when things fall apart"
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I think it has something to deal with the holocaust. In this film, people (except the postman and the musicologist) are under a malediction since the travelling theater has arrived into the village. The vision of the old man in the bathroom immediately stop the wave of murders as if an acute point of the collective memory would have been touched. Such a picture cannot come from nowhere.
glossophonie 1 year ago
it has nothing to do with holocaust
csigahaver 2 years ago 2
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glossophonie 1 year ago
@csigahaver...in an eastern european context, images of emaciated naked old men still harken back...bela tarr knows the images that still retain in that part of the world...thats what makes it such a powerful moment...as if saying, "this is where mass actions can lead". And thats why they suddenly stop- a reminder.
alespar415 1 year ago
context?
svafarhelgason 2 years ago
@svafarhelgason ...the holocaust
alespar415 2 years ago
the film is set in the 90s
ettumifilii 1 year ago
@ettumifilii How could you know that? No specific mention of date or era was made in the film.
arianCF10I 5 months ago
hey why are those people trashing that place
sawtoothmonkey 2 years ago
this pierced a hole in my hart. I just can´t belive it. I´m trembling.
jkhgsdhgdhgjklsdhfgj 2 years ago
One of the most beautiful things I have ever experienced
bobbyjoe 2 years ago 2
it´s so powerfull, time dosen´t exist in his films
jkhgsdhgdhgjklsdhfgj 2 years ago 2
It's sculpting in time, tarkovsky invented this method.
Vesters1 2 years ago
I´ll look into that a little deeper. It´s just so powerful. Thanks for the coment.
jkhgsdhgdhgjklsdhfgj 2 years ago
Btw, you should definitely see some of Tarkovskys films. Very great director. If you like him, you will also appreciate Angeloupolos, Zvyagintsev, Sukorov and of couse Bela Tarr! :)
Vesters1 2 years ago
Cool. I just bought Zerkalo, Nosthalgia and Ivan´s childhood. I´ve only seen the sacrifice, and it did things to me. I´ll look in to those other 3, I just love seeing immanence in cinema, and Tarkovski takes a huge hit on (I supose) everyone who watches him. I´m going to take my time with these ones, it´s just too intense.
Now I´ll try to find Bela´s films, they just don´t exist here in Brasil.
Thank you.
jkhgsdhgdhgjklsdhfgj 2 years ago
Just saw this film a few days ago. Amazing! Bela Tarr has great oldschool-euro-arthouse style. I couldn't believe this was made in the 2000s.
embeddeddog 2 years ago 2
One of my fauvorite directors, and this film is one of the best films of the european cinema. Completelly comparable whith Bergman, Tarkovsky,Sokurov,Pasolini,Dreyer or Oliveira.Thank you master Tarr.
gonzalobarriora 2 years ago 4
he's a poet, a visual painter thanks to gabor medvigy...an marginal vision through the eyes of an intellectual...Merci Bela!!
cineasta71 3 years ago
once onee watches one of Belas films. It cannot be erased from ones memory.
jun7per 3 years ago 19
exactly
CAIIIKA 3 years ago 2
@jun7per I don't get it.
mastershake1000 1 year ago
brilliant filmmaking
dluxfilms 3 years ago
absolutely one of the most powerful things iv ever seen in film.
pertinentidea 3 years ago 17
omg <3<3<3<3<3<3<3
jadiscylla 3 years ago
Absolutely pure brilliance. My favorite scene from Werckmeister Harmóniák.
Baderingen 3 years ago 4
One of the very beautiful moments of modern cinema. Genius.
JaviDemure 3 years ago 4
Powerful.
Juggertrout 3 years ago 4