The Pope says, "I'm the Vicar of Christ." Piper says, "man's role (in regeneration) is ESSENTIAL." In so doing he is making the claim that he is "the voice of the Son of God" in John 5:25. To me there's not a nickel's difference between the Pope and the Pipe. Both men claim an essential role in salvation. The truth is CHRIST accomplished salvation (Matt 1:21, Rom 5:19, Heb 10:14). Period. End of story. For more on this look for Street Theology 02 - Finally Alive by John Piper.
The Pope would not agree with Piper's understanding of Justification because Piper's view is wrong. When God declares the sinner righteous, God's declaration makes the sinner righteous, just as when God said: Let there be light, and there was light. God doesn't pretend that we are righteous: He who "calls into being what did not exist" (Romans 4:17) as a free gift calls into being an inner righteousness that before did not exist. That's Justification according to Scripture and Rome.
Faith=belief plus obedience. Heb. 5:9 "And being made perfect he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." James 2:19 "You believe that there is a God; you do well: the devils also believe and tremble."
not sure why anyone would thumbs down this video...he's not bashing the Pope or Catholicism...just pointing out the difference between the two belief sets...they think we're wrong and we think they're wrong. Don't blame the one who simply points out that fact and states his views.
@MrJhb211 When you say imputation, not a word I'd heard before this, did you mean the transferral of our sins onto Christ?
If you did and you think that this is an idol, I feel that there are many passages of scripture which contradict you. As I know nothing about you, I do not know your attitude towards the bible, but for what it's worth here are a couple of passages which seem to be against your denial of imputation:
@twowitnessesoftheson : Works are visible actions that come forth from the loving heart of Christ inside a christian. They are like fruits from a tree, the tree being faith, the two inseperably connected. It's as small as shaking a hand, or greeting a stranger, to as big as it can get, like mother Teresa. By the fruits you shall know them.
@zerubabel3 he didn't say it was a heresy, he said that if the pope didn't really believe in justification and taught that, then that you be a heresy.
@2LIronix John Piper worships an idol called "IMPUTATION" It was formed in the mind of Martin Luther 5 centuries ago while he was sitting on the monastery "crapper" and,since then,has beguiled MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people!
The Catholic teaching is one of enforcing that we as followers of Christ are STILL SINNERS. We are not still sinners. We are righteous. If you follow God then you are righteous, but if you follow the world, the devil, then you are not. Read 1 John. If you read Ezekiel you will discover that the Catholic church is indeed a fake. One question, "How can anyone say that they are the representation of Jesus on earth?" The Pope says he is the Vicar of Christ.... we all are Christ if we follow Him!!!
@twowitnessesoftheson So would you say that Christ did not give any of his followers special roles/positions? Surely, we are all meant to be vicars of Christ, but there was one man who Christ singled out to represent him in a unique way. This, of course, is Peter. All popes draw their lineage back to Peter. Come home to the fullness of the truth, the Catholic Church. God bless.
@cburton103 There is no proof that Jesus ever said that Peter was to represent Him in a unique way. The Savior is alive and desires to come and dine with us. We will never come to our full faith if we do not eat of His flesh and drink of His blood in the Holy Spirit. He is alive in us. When we accept His salvation then He comes into us. It is there that we will find our connection to God, not in any church especially one that has been filled with corruption and lies since the beginning.
Luke 22:32 "But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers"
John 21:15-17 where Jesus tells Peter three times to feed/take care of his sheep
Matthew 16:18 where Jesus calls Peter the rock on which he will build the church.
These build a very solid case for Peter's unique role, without even mentioning how Peter's name is almost always mentioned first, and his name was changed to Rock.
@cburton103 Matthew 16:13-18..... understand the original text and what exactly it was translated... Jesus asked His disciples "Who do you say that I am?" and Simon Peter, which his first name was Simon at that time, replied "You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God." Jesus replied to Simon, "Blessed are you Simon BarJonah (This was his real last name) for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father in Heaven, and I now call you Peter. On this rock, I will build My church.
@cburton103 He built His church upon the faith that He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God not upon a man. He builds His church in the hearts of every person that welcomes Him into their hearts. You are doing exactly what the Jews had done. You externalize God saying that He would build His church upon a man of flesh and blood when God says that He will write His laws upon our hearts. You follow a religion that says that Jesus actually is transformed into a wafer and a glass of wine.
@cburton103 Jesus was referring to a spiritual transformation within the heart of the believer when they must eat of His flesh and drink of His blood. We must take in the very essence of the Savior cleansing us from all unrighteousness. The rituals of any religion are a stench in God's nostrils for we now have the Holy Spirit. Do not blaspheme the Holy Spirit my brother. This sin is unforgivable and will send you to hell regardless of your faith in Jesus. He can only know you in the Holy Spirit.
@twowitnessesoftheson SIR! You have no clue about the seriousness of your frightful blunder! "the rituals of any religion are a STENCH IN GOD'S NOSTRILS?" ARE YOU MAD??The "rituals" of baptism and the eucharist as well as the others ARE COMMANDED BY GOD! You are not a Christian but a GNOSTIC HERETIC! The only insults being paid to the Holy Spirit are yours! You've been tragically BRAINWASHED BY LIARS! I THANK GOD FOR MY CATHOLIC FAITH! It TRULY is a gift! (thank you,Lord!)
@MrJhb211 Your religion says that the eternal sacrifice of our Lord becomes something physical. That is blaspheming the Holy Spirit my friend. Baptism is not a ritual that people do over and over again... there is only ONE baptism... a ritual is repeated... the Eucharist in Catholicism is a lie. We are to remember the Lord and His sacrifice at the breaking of all bread and the drinking of all wine. The true Eucharist is in the spirit only! You are a religious zealot! The same killed Jesus!
@twowitnessesoftheson SIR! You are a HOPELESS IGNORAMUS that doesn't have a SORRY CLUE what you're talking about! If you don't know what the Catholic Church really teaches and what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is,then you need to stop making such a fool out of yourself here.OK?
@MrJhb211 My man, I am a confirmed Catholic who went to Catholic school and was baptized Catholic. I know all about the Catholic RELIGION. You call names and get angry because you have no ground upon which to stand. I stand upon the TRUE ROCK that is Jesus Christ not the rock you call the Pope. You need to wake up out of your religious slumber and see the deception that had clouded your mind. Your zeal is admirable but you need to use it to spread the true FAITH not a deceptive religion.
@twowitnessesoftheson In order to have a healthy debate you have to have A HEALTHY MIND,OK? If you're currently on meds,MY TRUE APOLOGIES! You don't know what you're talking about and you're starting to ANNOY ME with your facetious comments and misrepresentations of Catholicism.Contrary to your insinuations,you wouldn't know GENUINE Catholic teaching IF IT LANDED ON YOUR HEAD,OK? It's OBVIOUS that your "Catholic upbringing" didn't teach you much...RIGHT?
@MrJhb211 Have you ever wondered why the Catholic religion depicts Christ upon the cross? You know He got off, right? You do know that He was raised from the dead, right? Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father and it is the Holy Spirit that enables us to commune with Him, not your pathetic rituals. If you would like to have a healthy debate at to why the Catholic religion is a false religion then let me know!
@MessengerNamedLove Let's see. Jesus came to preach the kingdom of God. (Mark 1:14-15) Jesus says the kingdom of God is within us. (Luke 17:21) "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation." (Luke 17:20) The problem is that the Catholic church has externalized everything. They say you have to go to external confession. You have to have external communion. You have to go to external Mass. None of these things line up with what Jesus said. They teach about Jesus but not what Jesus came to teach
@MessengerNamedLove The church in general has built a kingdom on earth. They have built an empire on the death of Jesus, and they show Him hanging on the cross. They would never agree that the Word of God, Jesus Christ, is actually within the hearts of all believers. It is there the TRUE kingdom is built. That is the only place where the kingdom cannot be corrupted. This is what Jesus came to preach and commanded all those who follow Him to preach as well. Why have they built their own kingdom?
@MessengerNamedLove They have established what they say "is God on earth". God resides only in the heart of true believer. We are guided by the Holy Spirit only, not the rules and rituals of a man made religion. This is what the Jews had done. They built their own religious kingdom and hoarded it over the people and claiming their authority over the people. God allowed this because He does not want people who would rather follow man than Him. Read 2 Thess... The Truth is right in fron of you.
no, Piper, Rome and protestant are certainly not ready and never will. look what jesus did to those false prophets/taxers collecting taxes in the church. he kicked them out by force! again, "Give unto Caesar which is Caesars and unto God what is God's." Go to the OT and God said the same thing, "my Spirit shall not contend with men." this is what unfortunately Rome has done, blatantly ignored the scripture and get too embedded in the laws of men.
I would ask the pope. In 1 Peter 2:8 the Apostle Peter says that Christ is the ROCK.Why do Catholics claim to follow Peter. But say Peter is wrong, Christ is not the ROCK. Peter is.? The rest of the verse seems to be the answer 1 Peter 2:8 "They stumble, being disobedient to the word," The last time I pointed this out to a Catholic I had reason to rejoice and be exceedingly glad, ( it's a reference to the scripture ), he called me "a pathetic soul murderer" :-)
@timpoiu Again! I can't and won't speak for someone else.There is NO contradiction between Christ being called the "Rock" and Jesus calling Peter by the same name.The word is simply used in 2 different ways! Abraham is called a "Rock" (Isa 51:1-2) even though it is elsewhere used EXCLUSIVELY as a reference to God (Psalm 18:31) Abraham was,accordingly,referred to as "the Rock that Yahweh built the world on" by the rabbis of ancient times.I hope that helps! There's NO reason to STUMBLE here! GBU!
For those interested, youtube "Robert Barron". One of the best Catholic thinkers today. His response to the very popular "I love Jesus, but hate religion" video is provocative. Would love to see Mr Piper and Ft Barron sit down for a chat!
But to love your fellow man, is it works? The good works naturally come forth from the faith, which is having a relationship with Christ. It is natural to do His will, when Christ lives inside you. In fact it is Him acting through a person. So one can conclude that if one does not do the works, he does not have Christ in him, he does not have a relationship, he does not have faith. So he might not be saved by grace through faith, because he has no faith. The fruits and the tree. God Bless.
There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church.
Isnt it great that salvation is not of works, so no one can boast Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV)
"8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast." .. Like I said to a catholic friend if , on the day of judgement Jesus said to me, "because of your works , you are saved " I WOULD BE BOASTING. I would be saying see I said you had to do "whatever". the truth is, Salvation is by grace ( Gods gift ) thru Faith.
@timpoiu If you decide to put away the traditions of men and take up a SERIOUS study of the word of God,you might find yourself in a position to better understand St.Paul's inspired testimony from Eph 2:8-9. Sadly,you have chosen a "reformation" recast of this imperative truth instead of the GENUINE doctrine!.St.Paul CLEARLY distinguishes between "works" and "GOOD WORKS" which God,HIMSELF,performs though faith.Can GOD'S WORKS nullify GOD'S GRACE? Man's worksYES! God's works NO! GBU!
You, a romanist, have the audacity to tell someone to put-away traditions and "take up a SERIOUS study of the word of God." That is just tooooo ironic.
@skolded1 Our traditions are the safeguard of Scriptural truth,YOUR traditions have replaced historic truth with historic confusion.It's tooo ironic that those VERY PEOPLE who discount GENUINE tradition have simply replaced it with their OWN TRADITIONS,even though they can't admit to it! The facts all tooooo plainly speak for themselves! SORRY!
@MrJhb211 You are confused because you only have one half of the truth. It IS true that grace is the ability to do works. But this is only half of what grace is. The other half is grace is the gift of God. So a catholic like you reads "by grace we are saved" and thinks it means "by grace ( WORKS )." Romans 1: 17 says the GOSPEL is the power of God to the SALVATION of all who BELIEVE. 1 Corinthians 15 1-4 tells us the GOSPEL the Holy Apostle Paul preached.
the Gospel is 1 Jesus died for our sins according to the scriptures. 2 He rose again on the 3rd day. 3 everyone who believes these facts and continues in them will be saved. Paul also preached Galatians 1 : 8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." Watch "The Gospel Faith and Works" you can find out what the word of God actually says, you are badly deceived
@timpoiu SIR(?) I'm afraid that you BADLY misrepresented what I said ! Why is it that evangelicals always tell me that they believe in Sola Scriptura YET they ALWAYS have recourse to secondary sources?Can't I read the Bible BY MYSELF,or are you advising me not to trust the Holy Spirit to teach me the word of God without the "priestly mediation" OF HUMAN WORKS? ONCE AGAIN! Can GOD'S WORKS (good works) nullify GOD'S GRACE? A simple yes or no answer this time,OK?
@MrJhb211 I quoted scripture. you have not. Again I refer you to the video on youtube
"The Gospel Faith and Works". It is a nearly continuous quoting of Scripture on GRACE.
sadly, you think you are wise, but do not know what you are talking about. Instead of making another reply without quoting the Word of God. Please watch the video. I googled
your question "an GOD'S WORKS (good works) nullify GOD'S GRACE?" found nothing.
6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
@timpoiu The difference between God's works and man's works? Man's works proceed from self-will.Good works,on the other hand,proceed from the Divine disposition.Human works proceed from man's rebellious nature.Good works proceed from the Divine mercy and NOTHING ELSE Man freely proposes what God freely DISPOSES.Good works complete,with human cooperation,what God began in Christ.Salvation is past,present AND FUTURE.The race has yet to be completed!The winners have yet to be crowned!
@timpoiu Sir,I have NO problem with a load of Bible verses on Grace PROVIDED the people quoting them have a Biblical understanding of the word in question! You "googled" my question? WHY didn't you go to the Scriptures instead and get your answer THERE? I asked you a simple question requiring a simple "yes" or "no" answer. With all the verses of Scripture at your disposal,you couldn't come up with the answer? I CAN and I DID! THE ANSWER IS NO! GBU!
@holtan310 I rejoice in the preaching of Christ even when it is not dun out of sincerity, as I believe the holy spirit will lead the pure of heat to the truth. With that said I rejoice when accepts the truth for what it is and not sugar coated, as that is annointed with the spirit.
It is reasonable clear that Jesus established a visible organization on earth, placing the apostles as the top of this organization. It is also clear that the apostles used this speacial authority over other "believers"...so there was a structure. Jesus even says if two or three(believers) together can not convince one of there error take them to the church. well what does that mean are then not already in front of the church, that is, the two or three? Jesus did not think so.
Frightening that Piper believes that one day its possible for "enough changes" to occur in the Roman Church for a final merger between Catholics and Protestants. Piper is just dangerous. Dangerous!
@ACallToHoliness "Unity with Roman(sic) Catholicism? Absolutely NOT!" GREAT! When judgment day comes and the "door to the ark" is finally CLOSED and it starts to rain "cats and dogs" START TREADING WATER, FRIEND! OK? GBU!
If you think that great whore called the Roman Catholic Church is the ark of God I fear for your soul. I defy the Pope and all his laws. I defy the great whore!
@ACallToHoliness Let me make it SIMPLE for ya,OK? If you were Jesus enthroned in judgment on the Last Day,and you had someone stand boldly before you with his fist raised defiantly in your face who spent his sad life CALLING YOUR CHURCH A WHORE,what would YOU do?? (think before posting,OK?)
@ACallToHoliness REALLY? SAYS WHO? YOU? Have you ever heard of Pascal's Wager? A wise man knows his horse WELL before placing his bet! ANY FOOL can throw away money! I never cease to be amazed at all the self-assured critics of "Popery" who have NEVER made an effort to THINK FOR THEMSELVES in evaluating the Biblical and historical info that concerns this SERIOUS subject!! I can see clearly how the antichrist will be able to garnish such great support for his cause..IGNORANCE! GBU!
What is the church? I say it is all those who are saved by the blood of Jesus-- not a particular organization of believers.. The Roman Catholic church is no more "the church" than the "10th street new holiness church of the beloved."
@MrJhb211 lol good point i would totaly cast them to hell thats 100 % but i dont know if i would do it for eternety or only until the person was sorry and repented and felt bad and asked for forgiveness then i would accept him back in heaven and forgive his sin
@Punisher4bmw We haven't TRULY been to the cross,spiritually,unless we have an ANGUISH FOR SOULS.!! If God permitted me,I would GLADLY take the place of my worst enemy in Hell.if it could possibly be enough to thank God for the UNSPEAKABLE GIFT of His Son,Jesus! For 1 brief moment,God the Father TURNED HIS BACK on His own Son to be disposed mercifully to save and forgive us! Now we know why heaven is eternal! It will take that long to show God our gratitude with love!
@MrJhb211, Might I ask if 'you're' talking about "The Body Of Believers" throughout the world, or a denomination which Christ never started in the first place??? Jesus already KNOWS who His True Church is, but the whore mentioned in revelation is a separate issue all together.
@jebeja There's only ONE CHURCH! The True Church is the ONE historic community that has seen a constant fulfillment of the Divine promises made TO HER and ABOUT her for the last 2000 yrs.That Church is the Catholic Church,no matter HOW HARD people try to deny it.ALL OTHERS are counterfeits and/or wannabes! GBU!
Not sure I need it. It's a practical principle. For example, I am calvinist so I do not worship with arminians. I, feeling I am being true to scripture, do not unite with those who are not-- nor will they with me. See? Simple.
Speaking about the apostles: I believe they were united by truth, but, divided over the issue of works from other "christians." So, they decided to be divided by TRUTH, rather than united in ERROR.
@skolded1 Ya know what's SCARY? You REALLY BELIEVE what you just posted,don't you? Would you mind showing me where the Apostles were"divided over the works of other "christians" (???) If a house is divided agaist itself,IT WILL FALL! (Matt 12:25) Which Apostles were "divided" against themselves over the issue of works? How 'bout some PRETTY SIMPLE SCRIPTURE to back up ur contention,OK? (Arminians and Calvinists have been consigning each other to HELL 4 a LONG TIME,PAL!! NOW THAT'S DIVISION!)
What? No, Christians were divided FROM the apostles-- take for example the Galatians. Paul had to correct them. It is a practicle principle-- you do not worship with those who differ from you on fundamental issues. This is the reason why catholics and protestants do not worship with one another.
As far as Matt 12:25, it is speaking about people claiming Jesus was of the devil. It's not about doctrinal issues.
You divide over truth; as do I. It's a simple concept. If you believe, for example, imputed righteousness, then you will not worship with those who believe in infused righteousness. Even after a terrible nights sleep I will still come to this simple conclusion. By the way, when you write in CAPS it makes you come-off as a child or someone who would rather shout than reason.
@skolded1 As I stated previously,.NOTHING of what U said about "unity" and "division" had ANYTHING whatsoever to do with the unity of faith and worship in the 1st cent.Church and the Apostle Paul's issues with some of the Galatian believers being influenced by Judaizing doctrine. Only God knows where U got that! When I use CAPS it's to EMPHASIZE SOMETHING OF GREAT IMPORTANCE! Interpret that any way you wish ALSO,the Bible does NOT teach Luther's BLASPHEMOUS doctrine of "imputed righteousness!!"
Dear me. I feel like I am speaking to a child.I gave you a PRACTICAL principle that is governed by COMMON SENSE. It's a simple concept, likened to "oil and water do not mix." In the 1st century, two of the greatest threats were Judaizers and Gnostics. Because of this difference (error) it was best to not worship (unite) with them. Even though the gnostics were mixing christian dogma in their beliefs.
At this point, you have no need for caps, as you have YET to say anything IMPORTANT. Now, I know you're a romanist, and therefore have not read your bible, and thus, should leave theology to the big boys who wear big boy pants-- mainly Luther, Calvin, Augustine, Spurgeon, Piper, and White.
@skolded1 Outside of Piper and White, (St Augustine wouldn't recognize your "boys" from the Devil.himself! ) YOUR "big boys" (LOL!) are DEAD and buried,as are all the heretics of history.THE PAPACY STILL BREATHES! Your "practical principle" is a GHOST inhabiting your mind. Common sense could EASILY perceive that the "oil and water" here is paternal correction and EXCOMMUNICATION! Stay away from OUIJA boards,OK? GBU!
I can't help but think you're on the fringe. You would not worship with protestants, correct? Then you practice "better divided by truth, than united in error." The papacy is a fraud, as Rome have no say in Christ's church. Roman Catholicism misses the mark (get it?) on so many things. If you want to engage me at that level, then do it, do not argue with common sense, which at this point is what your doing. We protestants rather divide over truth than unite with you in error
@skolded1 SIR:There were no Protestants for 1500 years so.WHAT'S UR POINT? The "Papacy is a fraud?" "Rome has no say in Christ's Church?" REALLY? SAYS WHO? YOU? Who elected you Pope? You're HILARIOUS! Engage u on WHAT level?( I'm SORELY tempted to be sarcastic,here!) Your "common sense" hasn't demonstrated YET how St.Paul's counsel and correction to the Galatians has ANYTHING TO DO with Calvinists and Arminians worshipping in separate churches! GROUND CONTROL! (over)
@MrJhb211 "no Protestants for 1500 years". Not true. The early apostolic church was protestant until it became corrupted. The Celtic church which existed in Britain until Romanism subdued it in the 11th century was protestant. The Waldensians who descended from the apostolic church were protestant for centuries before the Reformation, as were the Lollards. Hus was a pre-Reformation protestant, as was Wycliffe.
@MrJhb211 Your comment should be self addressed. Have you done an "objective study of history" ? I do not think so. Have an open mind. It will enlighten you.
@southwoodside I majored in history 30yrs ago and have spent a CONSIDERABLE amount of time in research on the subject since then.I prefer source documents rather than popular handbooks that argue for fables like "Baptist Successionism" There is NOTHING that you posted that would be vouched for by any reputable scholar on the subject,PERIOD! The word "Protestant" was coined during the 16th century where it bore a specific connotation it could not have had previously! GBU!
@MrJhb211 I am myself a person who did a huge amount of reading history. You are inaccurate. Protestant was a word coined to describe a major movement against popery. In actual fact the Waldensians and the primitive church were following the same beliefs as protestantism, as is proven conclusively by the fact that the Waldensians and Hussites became officially protestant at the Reformation. Do you not even know that ? Amazing.
@southwoodside Sir you're a SHAMEFUL LIAR! The proof is obvious!.You DON'T know what you're talking about and I'm NICELY asking you to stop embarrassing yourself in public,OK? Give up your comic books,.PLEASE! GBU!
@MrJhb211 Ah, so you resort to insult instead of confronting the facts. You know very little history, that's obvious. Also you do not know the basics of Christianity as your outburst shows.
@southwoodside If you take it as an insult,fine! I told the truth.nonetheless!.You need to "confront" issues of personal integrity in your posts.AGAIN.YOU ARE A LIAR and you need to repent.Why must you abuse yourself like this? You didn't even bother to defend what you said because you wouldn't know how! I feel sorry for you! I'm not going to continue entertaining you, SURPRISE ME with an intelligent comment,OK?
@MrJhb211 You are obviously an evil person. You are a false witness. It is you who needs to repent. You have twisted things. I offered you the facts. You cannot deny that there were protestants before the glorious Reformation. You belong to an over grown and perverse cult, the greatest enemy of Jesus Christ which there ever was.
@southwoodside SIR! (for the last time!) There is no Land of OZ, NO cute little munchkins,OK? (Life can be cruel,HUH?) If you have your heart set on learning history from comic books,FINE! It's a free country.You have a Constitutional RIGHT to be ignorant! Don't let ANYONE take that away from you,PROMISE?You're an OBVIOUSLY intelligent person that doesn't need any more of my time,RIGHT? BYE-BYE!
@southwoodside LOL! The Apostle Paul and Titus would have SHUNNED you like the plague had you lived in their day!!.You are NOT A CHRISTIAN in spite of your sad profession, which is why I pray God will open your eyes BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! You,sadly to say,are a brainwashed cultist who SERIOUSLY needs help! I hope you get it! That verse you quoted has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with you! Your "glorious reformers" were the heretics of their day and GOD rejected them! ( 1John 2:18-19)
@southwoodside Hey GOOFBALL! if I CANNOT be taken seriously,then WHY DO YOU KEEP POSTING ME? HMMMM? What happens when you sprinkle the devil with the holy water of truth?HE SHRIEKS AND HOWLS! (take a valium,OK?) GOD BLESS!
@MrJhb211 Actually, I am at fault myself. I have been self-righteous. That is not good. I need to be more humble. I am just a sinner and have faults the same as other men. If we are to be saved it will be by trusting in Jesus and certainly not by our own righteousness. I wish you no ill.
@southwoodside A necessary correction is needed here.The statement about "not trusting in our own righteousness" is an unfortunate part of 16th century polemics.As a Catholic,the SOLE basis of my hope is in the superabundant mercy of God IN CHRIST! The SOLE basis for my acceptance with the Father is found in the blood of His Son,Jesus,THE PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS! I don't endeavor to "win brownie points with God" because of any good works I may do."We love because He first loved us"(1John 4:19)
@southwoodside Actually,we're ALL at fault here! I never give up looking for someone who is willing to meet me half way here on YouTube. So far,I've only found ONE! I NEVER ask people to "become Catholic" because that's GOD'S work,NOT MINE! I don't necessarily ask anyone to agree OR disagree with anything I submit,either! ALL I ASK,is for people to THINK FOR THEMSELVES and DO THE HOMEWORK like the Bereans did in the Book of Acts.My SOLE source of instruction is from the Bible and NOTHING ELSE!
@southwoodside If I come off sounding rude and sarcastic sometimes (which I definitely DON'T enjoy!) it's a way of getting people to WAKE UP (if nothing else works) and ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY for what they say.I wish people weren't SO WILLING to believe EVERYTHING THEY HEAR AND READ! GBU!
Piper believes in a faith invented in the 16 century, never believed by any Christians before, born out of Luther biased interpretation and contrary to in the Gospel and the Holy Apostolic TRadition .FAITH ALONE is a big heresy.
But obviously he laughs and he thinks to be smarter than all Fathers of Church and all Apostles and all the Christians that came before. Annoying and wrong.
Faith alone is a heresy... right. I suppose grace by works is right? Oh wait, no, works and grace do not work together because grace is without anything.Grace is being given something you can't work for and something you don't deserve. At the end of it all, works make you rely on yourself and not Christ...
He would probably tell him to SPONSOR THE HERITIC of RICK WARREN like he does! I have lost my respect for this man for the simple fact that he is in bed with the minister of Satan, Rik!!!
@holtan310 I am about speading orthodox Christianity, if we spead a christianity full of lies we are worse then the gentiles, for those who teach will be held to a much higher standard according to the words of our LORD. Those who teach that salvation is by faith alone word for word contridict the cannon of the Catholic church "Not by faith alone" James 2:24, such teachings are unorthodox.
This guy is stupid I know that I don't have to judge but if I was him I would tell him "Hey you could you please go and buy some SOME of the gold and the things you have" good one so he in a HUGE HOUSE and the other shitty things and then children dying in Africa....then he come and says help other why don't he help others first?
To claim to be the "Vicar of Christ" (mouthpiece for Christ) is blasphemy. Not only that, but we do not need to confess our sins to a priest in order that they intercede on our behalf. Jesus Christ is our intercessor and Saviour. The Catholic system requires that you put your faith in a fallible man, laying a stumbling block to your relationship with Christ. Let the scriptures interpret themselves and there is no confusion.
@1692mar "To claim to be the "vicar of Christ" (mouthpiece of Christ) is blasphemy.REALLY? SAYS WHO? YOU? When did YOU get elected Pope? Would you mind giving me your INFALLIBLE interpretation of Exodus 7:1 from the original Hebrew? Thank you for the brief audience ,YOUR HOLINESS!
@holtan310 lol...You are the ones that broke this law of GOD, you seperated from the church in the 1600s correct, you followed a schismatic named Martin Luther. The Catholic church is the church that Jesus established and traces it's roots right back to the apostles, every bishop in the church can trace his roots right back to one of the 12.
@gtepp031387 Protestants broke away from the church because there was something wrong with it. Think of it as reverse ex-communication. Jesus talks about reprimanding your brother if he errs and thats what luther did, and since they didn't listen he did the only thing he could do: split away. I love you as a sibling in christ, but your attitude is more the one that breaks the "law" as you put it. We believe in the same Jesus, the same God. Let us not squibble over small things. No legalism and..
@jeremiahjbarnes06 "Jesus talks about reprimanding your brother if he errs"
Yes he does and he right after that states if he can not be swayed bring him to THE CHURCH and from this CHURCH a decision will be made with authority, if one rejects the ruling of THE CHURCH we are to treat this one as a publican, this is the word of Jesus.
@jeremiahjbarnes06 "Protestants broke away from the church because there was something wrong with it"
Jesus promised that this would be impossible, I think I'll take Jesus over Luther and his schismatics, not to mention all the holy fathers throughout all ages point the way to orthodoxy and it looks nothing like Protestatism.
Luther taught word for word contridictions of the holy cannon of the Catholic church like sola fide, and sola scriptura, both word for word contridict the cannon of the church. Not to mention he taught hatred for both Jews and Catholics, and started a full scale war know as the peasants war in germany. He also asked his follwers to "bathe in the blood of the Catholic bishop".
@gtepp031387 harshness, but love instead. Instead of placing blame let us accept that we have different views and work to be better christians instead. By abandoning the legalism and hierarchy we abandon the stumbling blocks to christ.
@jeremiahjbarnes06 By abandoning the hierarchy we abandon the monarchy of GOD. The kingdom of GOD is not a democracy, Jesus came he set up a hierarchy, the apostles expanded on this hierarchy,(though we are not sure wether or not this was instructed peronally by Jesus) and the apostles had all authority to do such a thing. If you reject the apostles and there bindings then you reject Christ.
this is the whole problem with these man made religions. Everyone believes that his or her own interpretation of the bible is the correct interpretation.
If you look at Christian history -and Im a Christian- it is so bloody and hateful. I believe when homosexuality is no longer a sin in most, instead of some, Christians beliefs, they will have to find someone / something else to pick on. History, burn witches, support - KKK, The 3rd Reich, the holocaust, segregation, slavery - the Bible was used to condemn interracial marriage similar to gay marriage.
Christianity is based on guilt and denial. Threats and promises. All man made BS.
@sinsionismo 1) You do not have a bible, you have a kjv which is heretical with much missing and mistranslated text.
2) Scripture alone is heresy yes, even the bible states thus when it tells us to hold to both written scripture and oral tradition. The bible also states that the letter kills, teaching that the scripture alone without the holy spirit is also heresy.
3) The bible came from the church, in 393 they came together in council and decided what was scripture.
@gtepp031387 1) How do you know what Bible I have? You're wrong, I have a Greek Koine translation.
2) The Holy Spirit comes by Faith, believing in Jesus Christ as the ONLY WAY to come to the Father, Faith comes by hearing, hearing what? THE WORD OF GOD, that is where?...
3) I suppose you are talking about the New Testament when you say "the bible"... But remember, Jesus Christ is the Torah in flesh... so.. The Torah also comes from the council?
4)Canons? Ethiopian Orthodox Church, also catholic?
@sinsionismo 1) and where did your bible come from, who decided it's contents? Where and when was it put together?
2) Faith is given to all men, by the grace of GOD. The word of GOD is not contained within the written scripture, yet it is to be found within it's text no doubt. But without the spirit of truth the letter kills, scripture alone is heresy.
3) The bible is a specific Catholic compilation of scripture, the Jews never had a bible my dear seperated brethren.
@sinsionismo 3) continued. The bible is a compilation of scripture it is not the complete word of GOD, Jesus does not fully dwell in any verion of scripture.
4) Cannons?(do not understand the question) the Ethiopian Orthodox church is not Catholic, they can claim to be all they want, they seperated from the church when the denied that Jesus was fully human and had a human will, this happened around the 4th ecumentical council, they where excommunicated from the body.
humm this is a big flaw,do you believe it is your work or deed of your own faith that earns salvation?This sounds like earned salvation to me and is another heresy.Faith is given to all men, it is a gift and work of GODs grace,GODs gifts(one of which is faith) can save you(provided you co-operater with his grace,which ability is also given by his grace but not in such a way as to remove your free will), YOUR faith can not as that would be earned salvation.
@selfdied James compares faith without works to a dead body...does a dead body still exist?...Yes it does, and so does faith without works, but it is dead as it does not have the grace to sustain it....faith without works(of GOD not our works this is the last clarification) saves no one...thus faith ALONE = heresy.
@selfdied "through faith(and this faith)is not of your own doing, it is a gift from GOD"..yes faith is a gift from grace no doubt, which is why grace is needed to water faith, which is said to be a fruit....do fruits grow?
Also, if he really did belong to God. God would convict Him and bring him back, because God is keeping Him. If they don't repent it only shows they were never saved. True salvation never ends or is lost. Yet, if salvation is only a work of the mind then it can be lost. Its not tho, it is the result of the work of Gods Holy Spirit on a mans heart.
@selfdied Your last post sounds like calvanism, do you believe in predestination of individuals?..If so do you believe GOD predestines people to hell for nothing they have dun?..."GOD wills all men to be saved"....thus it is not just GODs will but our co-operation with it...or else your saying that everyone is saved.
And you're saying that he creates everybody not knowing where they're going? Arguing against predestination is innately arguing against the sovereignty of God. And several passages in Romans declare that God elects people. He chose us, we didn't choose Him.
@Chiborino "GOD wills all men to be saved"...he has predestined the human race for salvation, not individulas..."many are callled", these are the elect...but "few are choosen" these are those who will be saved...becaues they have in turn heeded the call...GOD knows every possible outcome sure but he gives to every human a free will. He destines no one to hell from birth.
@Chiborino Point it out all you want...this is classic heresy...You take a couple of verses you over emphaisis them, and add your personal interpritation in such a way that you reject other passages...."GOD wills all men be saved" 1 Timothy 2:4....again it is not just GODS will but our co-operation with it.
@gtepp031387 It's perfectly in context. The entire passage is about this topic. And if my passage doesn't argue for it, when what does it then argue for? Because in the contexts that we have in mind, the passages are at odds with each other, and this isn't allowed.
And stop using ellipsis after each sentence. Pet peeve of mine.
@Chiborino The passage you reffered to doesn't state either that GOD predestines individuals to hell nor heaven based on nothing they have dun. If you interprite the passage as meaning such then you reject other parts of the bible, and that is classic heresy. I can not make it any simpler. Just like the doctrin of faith alone it contridicts the bible word for word, "Not by faith alone" James 2:24.Yet people still find a way to personally interprite the bible to say faith alone.
@gtepp031387 How do you figure it doesn't? Verse 17 says that God hardened Pharaoh's heart back in Exodus. The previous verse also says that it DOESN'T depend on human desire or effort (i.e. will). I'm not rejecting any passages. It all fits together somehow, our goal as those who seek to know God is to learn how it does.
And only fools pretend to be Christians by faith ALONE. Without works, you can't have faith. Without faith, you can't have works. The MUST go hand-in-hand.
@Chiborino GOD has the abiltiy to push us on way or another, and without the grace that GOD gives(from the sacrifice of Christ), with the fallen nature that we have since the original sin of Adam, we can not be saved. That being said he can push us one way and gives us sooo much grace to be saved, BUT(big but) not in such a way that removes our free will. GOD has given us the gift of free will he does not take it away.
@Chiborino As far as it not being by our will, it is true and not. Our will can not save us, but without it we can not be saved either....let me explain... we have a will and must surrender it to the will of GOD, therfore it is all on GODS shoulders, we submit our will and GOD does the rest. The abiltity to submit our will also is given us by the grace of GOD(but not in such a way to remove our free will).GOD may gives us sooo much help and soo many gifts, but there is a catch...cont
@Chiborino ..cont...that is, to the one that is given more more will be expected. To the one who has been given the ability to lead and teach and be lead by grace the same will be judged more strictly.
Why waste our time with the pope when we should read our bible and worship no man
victoriamorris71 2 days ago
The Pope says, "I'm the Vicar of Christ." Piper says, "man's role (in regeneration) is ESSENTIAL." In so doing he is making the claim that he is "the voice of the Son of God" in John 5:25. To me there's not a nickel's difference between the Pope and the Pipe. Both men claim an essential role in salvation. The truth is CHRIST accomplished salvation (Matt 1:21, Rom 5:19, Heb 10:14). Period. End of story. For more on this look for Street Theology 02 - Finally Alive by John Piper.
theearstohear 2 days ago
The Pope would not agree with Piper's understanding of Justification because Piper's view is wrong. When God declares the sinner righteous, God's declaration makes the sinner righteous, just as when God said: Let there be light, and there was light. God doesn't pretend that we are righteous: He who "calls into being what did not exist" (Romans 4:17) as a free gift calls into being an inner righteousness that before did not exist. That's Justification according to Scripture and Rome.
1962mrpaul 3 days ago
well if I had just 5 seconds to talk to the pope I would let him he his going straight to Hell when he dies. Praise Lord Jesus Christ For EVER!
pl8961 3 days ago
Romans 14:23, "And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."
How does the RCC POSSIBLY interpet this verse outside of "justification by faith"?
Sudhish86 4 days ago
'I am a confirmed Catholic so I know that blah blah blah.' 'Oh yeah? Well I'm a reformed evangelical so I know that blah blah blah!' Go outside.
agentgabbit 1 week ago
I'm mostly just here to be entertained by @twowitnessesesoftheson arguing with @mrjhb211. It's like the bland leading the bland.
agentgabbit 1 week ago
Sigh... It's sad to see whats happening outside the church. The only good theologians come from the CATHOLIC CHURCH. God bless you guys, Andrew.
MessengerNamedLove 1 week ago
justification is not imputed. Error of the reformers
wi008mc 1 week ago
Faith=belief plus obedience. Heb. 5:9 "And being made perfect he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." James 2:19 "You believe that there is a God; you do well: the devils also believe and tremble."
horseman528 1 week ago
@MrJhb211 Also another great passage on this is Isaiah 53, which seems quite clear on this.
2LIronix 1 week ago
not sure why anyone would thumbs down this video...he's not bashing the Pope or Catholicism...just pointing out the difference between the two belief sets...they think we're wrong and we think they're wrong. Don't blame the one who simply points out that fact and states his views.
crawhonda 2 weeks ago
@crawhonda he points out his opinions not facts
wi008mc 1 week ago
@MrJhb211 When you say imputation, not a word I'd heard before this, did you mean the transferral of our sins onto Christ?
If you did and you think that this is an idol, I feel that there are many passages of scripture which contradict you. As I know nothing about you, I do not know your attitude towards the bible, but for what it's worth here are a couple of passages which seem to be against your denial of imputation:
Romans 5:12+
2 corinthians 5:21
1 Peter 2:22+
Hebrews 9:25-Hebrews 10:4
2LIronix 2 weeks ago
@twowitnessesoftheson : Works are visible actions that come forth from the loving heart of Christ inside a christian. They are like fruits from a tree, the tree being faith, the two inseperably connected. It's as small as shaking a hand, or greeting a stranger, to as big as it can get, like mother Teresa. By the fruits you shall know them.
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awhitesoul2012 2 weeks ago
@zerubabel3 he didn't say it was a heresy, he said that if the pope didn't really believe in justification and taught that, then that you be a heresy.
2LIronix 2 weeks ago
@2LIronix John Piper worships an idol called "IMPUTATION" It was formed in the mind of Martin Luther 5 centuries ago while he was sitting on the monastery "crapper" and,since then,has beguiled MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people!
MrJhb211 2 weeks ago
I couldn't help but lol at 1:48...John Piper calling people heretics, haha. :D
M3PanoS 3 weeks ago
Roman Catholic theology is not a heresy, go ask God if you know him so well....
Who's got the most saints, peacemakers, miracle workers and martyrers for Christ?
If it ever comes to union of Christian Churches then Catholic (Universal) will be it, otherwise it can't be.
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@zerubabel3 "Who's got the most saints, peacemakers, miracle workers and martyrers for Christ?"
*ahem* the Orthodox
M3PanoS 3 weeks ago
The Catholic teaching is one of enforcing that we as followers of Christ are STILL SINNERS. We are not still sinners. We are righteous. If you follow God then you are righteous, but if you follow the world, the devil, then you are not. Read 1 John. If you read Ezekiel you will discover that the Catholic church is indeed a fake. One question, "How can anyone say that they are the representation of Jesus on earth?" The Pope says he is the Vicar of Christ.... we all are Christ if we follow Him!!!
twowitnessesoftheson 3 weeks ago
@twowitnessesoftheson So would you say that Christ did not give any of his followers special roles/positions? Surely, we are all meant to be vicars of Christ, but there was one man who Christ singled out to represent him in a unique way. This, of course, is Peter. All popes draw their lineage back to Peter. Come home to the fullness of the truth, the Catholic Church. God bless.
cburton103 2 weeks ago
@cburton103 There is no proof that Jesus ever said that Peter was to represent Him in a unique way. The Savior is alive and desires to come and dine with us. We will never come to our full faith if we do not eat of His flesh and drink of His blood in the Holy Spirit. He is alive in us. When we accept His salvation then He comes into us. It is there that we will find our connection to God, not in any church especially one that has been filled with corruption and lies since the beginning.
twowitnessesoftheson 2 weeks ago
@twowitnessesoftheson How about these?
Luke 22:32 "But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers"
John 21:15-17 where Jesus tells Peter three times to feed/take care of his sheep
Matthew 16:18 where Jesus calls Peter the rock on which he will build the church.
These build a very solid case for Peter's unique role, without even mentioning how Peter's name is almost always mentioned first, and his name was changed to Rock.
cburton103 2 weeks ago
@cburton103 Matthew 16:13-18..... understand the original text and what exactly it was translated... Jesus asked His disciples "Who do you say that I am?" and Simon Peter, which his first name was Simon at that time, replied "You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God." Jesus replied to Simon, "Blessed are you Simon BarJonah (This was his real last name) for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father in Heaven, and I now call you Peter. On this rock, I will build My church.
twowitnessesoftheson 2 weeks ago
@cburton103 He built His church upon the faith that He is the Christ, the Son of the Living God not upon a man. He builds His church in the hearts of every person that welcomes Him into their hearts. You are doing exactly what the Jews had done. You externalize God saying that He would build His church upon a man of flesh and blood when God says that He will write His laws upon our hearts. You follow a religion that says that Jesus actually is transformed into a wafer and a glass of wine.
twowitnessesoftheson 2 weeks ago
@cburton103 Jesus was referring to a spiritual transformation within the heart of the believer when they must eat of His flesh and drink of His blood. We must take in the very essence of the Savior cleansing us from all unrighteousness. The rituals of any religion are a stench in God's nostrils for we now have the Holy Spirit. Do not blaspheme the Holy Spirit my brother. This sin is unforgivable and will send you to hell regardless of your faith in Jesus. He can only know you in the Holy Spirit.
twowitnessesoftheson 2 weeks ago
@twowitnessesoftheson SIR! You have no clue about the seriousness of your frightful blunder! "the rituals of any religion are a STENCH IN GOD'S NOSTRILS?" ARE YOU MAD??The "rituals" of baptism and the eucharist as well as the others ARE COMMANDED BY GOD! You are not a Christian but a GNOSTIC HERETIC! The only insults being paid to the Holy Spirit are yours! You've been tragically BRAINWASHED BY LIARS! I THANK GOD FOR MY CATHOLIC FAITH! It TRULY is a gift! (thank you,Lord!)
MrJhb211 2 weeks ago
@MrJhb211 Your religion says that the eternal sacrifice of our Lord becomes something physical. That is blaspheming the Holy Spirit my friend. Baptism is not a ritual that people do over and over again... there is only ONE baptism... a ritual is repeated... the Eucharist in Catholicism is a lie. We are to remember the Lord and His sacrifice at the breaking of all bread and the drinking of all wine. The true Eucharist is in the spirit only! You are a religious zealot! The same killed Jesus!
twowitnessesoftheson 2 weeks ago
@twowitnessesoftheson SIR! You are a HOPELESS IGNORAMUS that doesn't have a SORRY CLUE what you're talking about! If you don't know what the Catholic Church really teaches and what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is,then you need to stop making such a fool out of yourself here.OK?
MrJhb211 2 weeks ago
@MrJhb211 My man, I am a confirmed Catholic who went to Catholic school and was baptized Catholic. I know all about the Catholic RELIGION. You call names and get angry because you have no ground upon which to stand. I stand upon the TRUE ROCK that is Jesus Christ not the rock you call the Pope. You need to wake up out of your religious slumber and see the deception that had clouded your mind. Your zeal is admirable but you need to use it to spread the true FAITH not a deceptive religion.
twowitnessesoftheson 2 weeks ago
@twowitnessesoftheson In order to have a healthy debate you have to have A HEALTHY MIND,OK? If you're currently on meds,MY TRUE APOLOGIES! You don't know what you're talking about and you're starting to ANNOY ME with your facetious comments and misrepresentations of Catholicism.Contrary to your insinuations,you wouldn't know GENUINE Catholic teaching IF IT LANDED ON YOUR HEAD,OK? It's OBVIOUS that your "Catholic upbringing" didn't teach you much...RIGHT?
MrJhb211 2 weeks ago
@MrJhb211 Have you ever wondered why the Catholic religion depicts Christ upon the cross? You know He got off, right? You do know that He was raised from the dead, right? Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father and it is the Holy Spirit that enables us to commune with Him, not your pathetic rituals. If you would like to have a healthy debate at to why the Catholic religion is a false religion then let me know!
twowitnessesoftheson 2 weeks ago
@twowitnessesoftheson Watch what you say about Jesus bride! I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger!
MessengerNamedLove 1 week ago
@MessengerNamedLove Let's see. Jesus came to preach the kingdom of God. (Mark 1:14-15) Jesus says the kingdom of God is within us. (Luke 17:21) "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation." (Luke 17:20) The problem is that the Catholic church has externalized everything. They say you have to go to external confession. You have to have external communion. You have to go to external Mass. None of these things line up with what Jesus said. They teach about Jesus but not what Jesus came to teach
twowitnessesoftheson 1 week ago
@MessengerNamedLove The church in general has built a kingdom on earth. They have built an empire on the death of Jesus, and they show Him hanging on the cross. They would never agree that the Word of God, Jesus Christ, is actually within the hearts of all believers. It is there the TRUE kingdom is built. That is the only place where the kingdom cannot be corrupted. This is what Jesus came to preach and commanded all those who follow Him to preach as well. Why have they built their own kingdom?
twowitnessesoftheson 1 week ago
@MessengerNamedLove They have established what they say "is God on earth". God resides only in the heart of true believer. We are guided by the Holy Spirit only, not the rules and rituals of a man made religion. This is what the Jews had done. They built their own religious kingdom and hoarded it over the people and claiming their authority over the people. God allowed this because He does not want people who would rather follow man than Him. Read 2 Thess... The Truth is right in fron of you.
twowitnessesoftheson 1 week ago
no, Piper, Rome and protestant are certainly not ready and never will. look what jesus did to those false prophets/taxers collecting taxes in the church. he kicked them out by force! again, "Give unto Caesar which is Caesars and unto God what is God's." Go to the OT and God said the same thing, "my Spirit shall not contend with men." this is what unfortunately Rome has done, blatantly ignored the scripture and get too embedded in the laws of men.
migol1984 3 weeks ago
I would ask the pope. In 1 Peter 2:8 the Apostle Peter says that Christ is the ROCK.Why do Catholics claim to follow Peter. But say Peter is wrong, Christ is not the ROCK. Peter is.? The rest of the verse seems to be the answer 1 Peter 2:8 "They stumble, being disobedient to the word," The last time I pointed this out to a Catholic I had reason to rejoice and be exceedingly glad, ( it's a reference to the scripture ), he called me "a pathetic soul murderer" :-)
timpoiu 3 weeks ago
@timpoiu Again! I can't and won't speak for someone else.There is NO contradiction between Christ being called the "Rock" and Jesus calling Peter by the same name.The word is simply used in 2 different ways! Abraham is called a "Rock" (Isa 51:1-2) even though it is elsewhere used EXCLUSIVELY as a reference to God (Psalm 18:31) Abraham was,accordingly,referred to as "the Rock that Yahweh built the world on" by the rabbis of ancient times.I hope that helps! There's NO reason to STUMBLE here! GBU!
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
Protestant is the biggest joke.
robert33182 3 weeks ago
I would tell him to repent from his devil worship
delphos1223 3 weeks ago
@MrJhb211 ; Thank you man! For bible verses, read James 2:14-26. It says it all.
blablabla1864 3 weeks ago
For those interested, youtube "Robert Barron". One of the best Catholic thinkers today. His response to the very popular "I love Jesus, but hate religion" video is provocative. Would love to see Mr Piper and Ft Barron sit down for a chat!
BadSneakers 4 weeks ago
But to love your fellow man, is it works? The good works naturally come forth from the faith, which is having a relationship with Christ. It is natural to do His will, when Christ lives inside you. In fact it is Him acting through a person. So one can conclude that if one does not do the works, he does not have Christ in him, he does not have a relationship, he does not have faith. So he might not be saved by grace through faith, because he has no faith. The fruits and the tree. God Bless.
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@blablabla1864 AMEN! WELL SAID! GBU!
MrJhb211 4 weeks ago
@blablabla1864 What would you define as works, my friend?
twowitnessesoftheson 2 weeks ago
There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church.
mulierisdignitatem 4 weeks ago
I would ask for the Pope for his papal blessing, and make a confession to him.
cloverfield911 4 weeks ago
Isnt it great that salvation is not of works, so no one can boast Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV)
"8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast." .. Like I said to a catholic friend if , on the day of judgement Jesus said to me, "because of your works , you are saved " I WOULD BE BOASTING. I would be saying see I said you had to do "whatever". the truth is, Salvation is by grace ( Gods gift ) thru Faith.
timpoiu 4 weeks ago
@timpoiu If you decide to put away the traditions of men and take up a SERIOUS study of the word of God,you might find yourself in a position to better understand St.Paul's inspired testimony from Eph 2:8-9. Sadly,you have chosen a "reformation" recast of this imperative truth instead of the GENUINE doctrine!.St.Paul CLEARLY distinguishes between "works" and "GOOD WORKS" which God,HIMSELF,performs though faith.Can GOD'S WORKS nullify GOD'S GRACE? Man's worksYES! God's works NO! GBU!
MrJhb211 4 weeks ago
@MrJhb211
You, a romanist, have the audacity to tell someone to put-away traditions and "take up a SERIOUS study of the word of God." That is just tooooo ironic.
skolded1 4 weeks ago
@skolded1 Our traditions are the safeguard of Scriptural truth,YOUR traditions have replaced historic truth with historic confusion.It's tooo ironic that those VERY PEOPLE who discount GENUINE tradition have simply replaced it with their OWN TRADITIONS,even though they can't admit to it! The facts all tooooo plainly speak for themselves! SORRY!
MrJhb211 4 weeks ago
@MrJhb211 You are confused because you only have one half of the truth. It IS true that grace is the ability to do works. But this is only half of what grace is. The other half is grace is the gift of God. So a catholic like you reads "by grace we are saved" and thinks it means "by grace ( WORKS )." Romans 1: 17 says the GOSPEL is the power of God to the SALVATION of all who BELIEVE. 1 Corinthians 15 1-4 tells us the GOSPEL the Holy Apostle Paul preached.
timpoiu 4 weeks ago
the Gospel is 1 Jesus died for our sins according to the scriptures. 2 He rose again on the 3rd day. 3 everyone who believes these facts and continues in them will be saved. Paul also preached Galatians 1 : 8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." Watch "The Gospel Faith and Works" you can find out what the word of God actually says, you are badly deceived
timpoiu 4 weeks ago
@timpoiu SIR(?) I'm afraid that you BADLY misrepresented what I said ! Why is it that evangelicals always tell me that they believe in Sola Scriptura YET they ALWAYS have recourse to secondary sources?Can't I read the Bible BY MYSELF,or are you advising me not to trust the Holy Spirit to teach me the word of God without the "priestly mediation" OF HUMAN WORKS? ONCE AGAIN! Can GOD'S WORKS (good works) nullify GOD'S GRACE? A simple yes or no answer this time,OK?
MrJhb211 4 weeks ago
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@MrJhb211 I quoted scripture. you have not. Again I refer you to the video on youtube
"The Gospel Faith and Works". It is a nearly continuous quoting of Scripture on GRACE.
sadly, you think you are wise, but do not know what you are talking about. Instead of making another reply without quoting the Word of God. Please watch the video. I googled
your question "an GOD'S WORKS (good works) nullify GOD'S GRACE?" found nothing.
timpoiu 4 weeks ago
@timpoiu Consider this "Romans 11:6 (NKJV)
6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
timpoiu 4 weeks ago
@timpoiu The difference between God's works and man's works? Man's works proceed from self-will.Good works,on the other hand,proceed from the Divine disposition.Human works proceed from man's rebellious nature.Good works proceed from the Divine mercy and NOTHING ELSE Man freely proposes what God freely DISPOSES.Good works complete,with human cooperation,what God began in Christ.Salvation is past,present AND FUTURE.The race has yet to be completed!The winners have yet to be crowned!
MrJhb211 4 weeks ago 23
@timpoiu Sir,I have NO problem with a load of Bible verses on Grace PROVIDED the people quoting them have a Biblical understanding of the word in question! You "googled" my question? WHY didn't you go to the Scriptures instead and get your answer THERE? I asked you a simple question requiring a simple "yes" or "no" answer. With all the verses of Scripture at your disposal,you couldn't come up with the answer? I CAN and I DID! THE ANSWER IS NO! GBU!
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
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@holtan310 I rejoice in the preaching of Christ even when it is not dun out of sincerity, as I believe the holy spirit will lead the pure of heat to the truth. With that said I rejoice when accepts the truth for what it is and not sugar coated, as that is annointed with the spirit.
gtepp031387 1 month ago
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It is reasonable clear that Jesus established a visible organization on earth, placing the apostles as the top of this organization. It is also clear that the apostles used this speacial authority over other "believers"...so there was a structure. Jesus even says if two or three(believers) together can not convince one of there error take them to the church. well what does that mean are then not already in front of the church, that is, the two or three? Jesus did not think so.
gtepp031387 1 month ago
I like how you can hear his shoes squeak
Collidedatoms 1 month ago
Frightening that Piper believes that one day its possible for "enough changes" to occur in the Roman Church for a final merger between Catholics and Protestants. Piper is just dangerous. Dangerous!
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness So you don't want unity?
hortulanus94 1 month ago
@hortulanus94
Unity with Roman Catholicism? Absolutely NOT!
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness "Unity with Roman(sic) Catholicism? Absolutely NOT!" GREAT! When judgment day comes and the "door to the ark" is finally CLOSED and it starts to rain "cats and dogs" START TREADING WATER, FRIEND! OK? GBU!
MrJhb211 1 month ago
@MrJhb211
If you think that great whore called the Roman Catholic Church is the ark of God I fear for your soul. I defy the Pope and all his laws. I defy the great whore!
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness Let me make it SIMPLE for ya,OK? If you were Jesus enthroned in judgment on the Last Day,and you had someone stand boldly before you with his fist raised defiantly in your face who spent his sad life CALLING YOUR CHURCH A WHORE,what would YOU do?? (think before posting,OK?)
MrJhb211 1 month ago 24
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Jesus is the one who will destroy the Roman Catholic Church.
ACallToHoliness 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness REALLY? SAYS WHO? YOU? Have you ever heard of Pascal's Wager? A wise man knows his horse WELL before placing his bet! ANY FOOL can throw away money! I never cease to be amazed at all the self-assured critics of "Popery" who have NEVER made an effort to THINK FOR THEMSELVES in evaluating the Biblical and historical info that concerns this SERIOUS subject!! I can see clearly how the antichrist will be able to garnish such great support for his cause..IGNORANCE! GBU!
MrJhb211 1 month ago
@ACallToHoliness A Call To Holiness? INDEED! How about a call for WISDOM,as well,OK?
MrJhb211 1 month ago
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What is the church? I say it is all those who are saved by the blood of Jesus-- not a particular organization of believers.. The Roman Catholic church is no more "the church" than the "10th street new holiness church of the beloved."
skolded1 1 month ago
@skolded1 Get a good night's sleep,OK? (my bad!)
MrJhb211 1 month ago
@MrJhb211 lol good point i would totaly cast them to hell thats 100 % but i dont know if i would do it for eternety or only until the person was sorry and repented and felt bad and asked for forgiveness then i would accept him back in heaven and forgive his sin
Punisher4bmw 3 weeks ago
@Punisher4bmw We haven't TRULY been to the cross,spiritually,unless we have an ANGUISH FOR SOULS.!! If God permitted me,I would GLADLY take the place of my worst enemy in Hell.if it could possibly be enough to thank God for the UNSPEAKABLE GIFT of His Son,Jesus! For 1 brief moment,God the Father TURNED HIS BACK on His own Son to be disposed mercifully to save and forgive us! Now we know why heaven is eternal! It will take that long to show God our gratitude with love!
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
@MrJhb211, Might I ask if 'you're' talking about "The Body Of Believers" throughout the world, or a denomination which Christ never started in the first place??? Jesus already KNOWS who His True Church is, but the whore mentioned in revelation is a separate issue all together.
jebeja 2 weeks ago
@jebeja There's only ONE CHURCH! The True Church is the ONE historic community that has seen a constant fulfillment of the Divine promises made TO HER and ABOUT her for the last 2000 yrs.That Church is the Catholic Church,no matter HOW HARD people try to deny it.ALL OTHERS are counterfeits and/or wannabes! GBU!
MrJhb211 2 weeks ago
@hortulanus94
Better to be divided by truth than united in error?
skolded1 1 month ago
@skolded1 YO! SKO! Were the Apostles "divided by truth" or "united in error"? How about some Scriptural support for your answer,OK? GBU!
MrJhb211 1 month ago
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Not sure I need it. It's a practical principle. For example, I am calvinist so I do not worship with arminians. I, feeling I am being true to scripture, do not unite with those who are not-- nor will they with me. See? Simple.
Speaking about the apostles: I believe they were united by truth, but, divided over the issue of works from other "christians." So, they decided to be divided by TRUTH, rather than united in ERROR.
It's a pretty simple concept.
skolded1 1 month ago
@skolded1 Ya know what's SCARY? You REALLY BELIEVE what you just posted,don't you? Would you mind showing me where the Apostles were"divided over the works of other "christians" (???) If a house is divided agaist itself,IT WILL FALL! (Matt 12:25) Which Apostles were "divided" against themselves over the issue of works? How 'bout some PRETTY SIMPLE SCRIPTURE to back up ur contention,OK? (Arminians and Calvinists have been consigning each other to HELL 4 a LONG TIME,PAL!! NOW THAT'S DIVISION!)
MrJhb211 1 month ago
@MrJhb211
What? No, Christians were divided FROM the apostles-- take for example the Galatians. Paul had to correct them. It is a practicle principle-- you do not worship with those who differ from you on fundamental issues. This is the reason why catholics and protestants do not worship with one another.
As far as Matt 12:25, it is speaking about people claiming Jesus was of the devil. It's not about doctrinal issues.
Even YOU divide over truth; of this I am sure.
skolded1 1 month ago
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MrJhb211 1 month ago
@skolded1 Sir (how do I say this NICELY?) YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT,OK? Take an aspirin and get a good night's OK? GBU!
MrJhb211 1 month ago
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You divide over truth; as do I. It's a simple concept. If you believe, for example, imputed righteousness, then you will not worship with those who believe in infused righteousness. Even after a terrible nights sleep I will still come to this simple conclusion. By the way, when you write in CAPS it makes you come-off as a child or someone who would rather shout than reason.
skolded1 1 month ago
@skolded1 As I stated previously,.NOTHING of what U said about "unity" and "division" had ANYTHING whatsoever to do with the unity of faith and worship in the 1st cent.Church and the Apostle Paul's issues with some of the Galatian believers being influenced by Judaizing doctrine. Only God knows where U got that! When I use CAPS it's to EMPHASIZE SOMETHING OF GREAT IMPORTANCE! Interpret that any way you wish ALSO,the Bible does NOT teach Luther's BLASPHEMOUS doctrine of "imputed righteousness!!"
MrJhb211 1 month ago
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Dear me. I feel like I am speaking to a child.I gave you a PRACTICAL principle that is governed by COMMON SENSE. It's a simple concept, likened to "oil and water do not mix." In the 1st century, two of the greatest threats were Judaizers and Gnostics. Because of this difference (error) it was best to not worship (unite) with them. Even though the gnostics were mixing christian dogma in their beliefs.
skolded1 1 month ago
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At this point, you have no need for caps, as you have YET to say anything IMPORTANT. Now, I know you're a romanist, and therefore have not read your bible, and thus, should leave theology to the big boys who wear big boy pants-- mainly Luther, Calvin, Augustine, Spurgeon, Piper, and White.
skolded1 1 month ago
@skolded1 Outside of Piper and White, (St Augustine wouldn't recognize your "boys" from the Devil.himself! ) YOUR "big boys" (LOL!) are DEAD and buried,as are all the heretics of history.THE PAPACY STILL BREATHES! Your "practical principle" is a GHOST inhabiting your mind. Common sense could EASILY perceive that the "oil and water" here is paternal correction and EXCOMMUNICATION! Stay away from OUIJA boards,OK? GBU!
MrJhb211 1 month ago
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I can't help but think you're on the fringe. You would not worship with protestants, correct? Then you practice "better divided by truth, than united in error." The papacy is a fraud, as Rome have no say in Christ's church. Roman Catholicism misses the mark (get it?) on so many things. If you want to engage me at that level, then do it, do not argue with common sense, which at this point is what your doing. We protestants rather divide over truth than unite with you in error
skolded1 1 month ago
@skolded1 SIR:There were no Protestants for 1500 years so.WHAT'S UR POINT? The "Papacy is a fraud?" "Rome has no say in Christ's Church?" REALLY? SAYS WHO? YOU? Who elected you Pope? You're HILARIOUS! Engage u on WHAT level?( I'm SORELY tempted to be sarcastic,here!) Your "common sense" hasn't demonstrated YET how St.Paul's counsel and correction to the Galatians has ANYTHING TO DO with Calvinists and Arminians worshipping in separate churches! GROUND CONTROL! (over)
MrJhb211 1 month ago
@MrJhb211 "no Protestants for 1500 years". Not true. The early apostolic church was protestant until it became corrupted. The Celtic church which existed in Britain until Romanism subdued it in the 11th century was protestant. The Waldensians who descended from the apostolic church were protestant for centuries before the Reformation, as were the Lollards. Hus was a pre-Reformation protestant, as was Wycliffe.
southwoodside 3 weeks ago
@southwoodside SORRY! You've been spoon-fed nonsense! I recommend a more objective study of history,OK?
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
@MrJhb211 Your comment should be self addressed. Have you done an "objective study of history" ? I do not think so. Have an open mind. It will enlighten you.
southwoodside 3 weeks ago
@southwoodside I majored in history 30yrs ago and have spent a CONSIDERABLE amount of time in research on the subject since then.I prefer source documents rather than popular handbooks that argue for fables like "Baptist Successionism" There is NOTHING that you posted that would be vouched for by any reputable scholar on the subject,PERIOD! The word "Protestant" was coined during the 16th century where it bore a specific connotation it could not have had previously! GBU!
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
@MrJhb211 I am myself a person who did a huge amount of reading history. You are inaccurate. Protestant was a word coined to describe a major movement against popery. In actual fact the Waldensians and the primitive church were following the same beliefs as protestantism, as is proven conclusively by the fact that the Waldensians and Hussites became officially protestant at the Reformation. Do you not even know that ? Amazing.
southwoodside 3 weeks ago
@southwoodside Sir you're a SHAMEFUL LIAR! The proof is obvious!.You DON'T know what you're talking about and I'm NICELY asking you to stop embarrassing yourself in public,OK? Give up your comic books,.PLEASE! GBU!
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
@MrJhb211 Ah, so you resort to insult instead of confronting the facts. You know very little history, that's obvious. Also you do not know the basics of Christianity as your outburst shows.
southwoodside 3 weeks ago
@southwoodside If you take it as an insult,fine! I told the truth.nonetheless!.You need to "confront" issues of personal integrity in your posts.AGAIN.YOU ARE A LIAR and you need to repent.Why must you abuse yourself like this? You didn't even bother to defend what you said because you wouldn't know how! I feel sorry for you! I'm not going to continue entertaining you, SURPRISE ME with an intelligent comment,OK?
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
@MrJhb211 You are obviously an evil person. You are a false witness. It is you who needs to repent. You have twisted things. I offered you the facts. You cannot deny that there were protestants before the glorious Reformation. You belong to an over grown and perverse cult, the greatest enemy of Jesus Christ which there ever was.
southwoodside 3 weeks ago
@southwoodside SIR! (for the last time!) There is no Land of OZ, NO cute little munchkins,OK? (Life can be cruel,HUH?) If you have your heart set on learning history from comic books,FINE! It's a free country.You have a Constitutional RIGHT to be ignorant! Don't let ANYONE take that away from you,PROMISE?You're an OBVIOUSLY intelligent person that doesn't need any more of my time,RIGHT? BYE-BYE!
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
@MrJhb211 I reject you as an heretic as the Bible instructs me.
"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject. " Titus 3:10
You will not be instructed.
southwoodside 3 weeks ago
@southwoodside LOL! The Apostle Paul and Titus would have SHUNNED you like the plague had you lived in their day!!.You are NOT A CHRISTIAN in spite of your sad profession, which is why I pray God will open your eyes BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! You,sadly to say,are a brainwashed cultist who SERIOUSLY needs help! I hope you get it! That verse you quoted has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with you! Your "glorious reformers" were the heretics of their day and GOD rejected them! ( 1John 2:18-19)
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
@MrJhb211 You are a madman, an evil mad man. You CANNOT be taken seriously.
southwoodside 3 weeks ago
@southwoodside Hey GOOFBALL! if I CANNOT be taken seriously,then WHY DO YOU KEEP POSTING ME? HMMMM? What happens when you sprinkle the devil with the holy water of truth?HE SHRIEKS AND HOWLS! (take a valium,OK?) GOD BLESS!
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
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southwoodside 3 weeks ago
@MrJhb211 Actually, I am at fault myself. I have been self-righteous. That is not good. I need to be more humble. I am just a sinner and have faults the same as other men. If we are to be saved it will be by trusting in Jesus and certainly not by our own righteousness. I wish you no ill.
southwoodside 3 weeks ago
@southwoodside God bless you,Sir!
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
@southwoodside A necessary correction is needed here.The statement about "not trusting in our own righteousness" is an unfortunate part of 16th century polemics.As a Catholic,the SOLE basis of my hope is in the superabundant mercy of God IN CHRIST! The SOLE basis for my acceptance with the Father is found in the blood of His Son,Jesus,THE PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS! I don't endeavor to "win brownie points with God" because of any good works I may do."We love because He first loved us"(1John 4:19)
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
@southwoodside Actually,we're ALL at fault here! I never give up looking for someone who is willing to meet me half way here on YouTube. So far,I've only found ONE! I NEVER ask people to "become Catholic" because that's GOD'S work,NOT MINE! I don't necessarily ask anyone to agree OR disagree with anything I submit,either! ALL I ASK,is for people to THINK FOR THEMSELVES and DO THE HOMEWORK like the Bereans did in the Book of Acts.My SOLE source of instruction is from the Bible and NOTHING ELSE!
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
@southwoodside If I come off sounding rude and sarcastic sometimes (which I definitely DON'T enjoy!) it's a way of getting people to WAKE UP (if nothing else works) and ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY for what they say.I wish people weren't SO WILLING to believe EVERYTHING THEY HEAR AND READ! GBU!
MrJhb211 3 weeks ago
His laugh says it all.
Piper believes in a faith invented in the 16 century, never believed by any Christians before, born out of Luther biased interpretation and contrary to in the Gospel and the Holy Apostolic TRadition .FAITH ALONE is a big heresy.
But obviously he laughs and he thinks to be smarter than all Fathers of Church and all Apostles and all the Christians that came before. Annoying and wrong.
But still a brother of mine.
SityAnalytics 1 month ago
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Faith alone is a heresy... right. I suppose grace by works is right? Oh wait, no, works and grace do not work together because grace is without anything.Grace is being given something you can't work for and something you don't deserve. At the end of it all, works make you rely on yourself and not Christ...
skolded1 1 month ago
He would probably tell him to SPONSOR THE HERITIC of RICK WARREN like he does! I have lost my respect for this man for the simple fact that he is in bed with the minister of Satan, Rik!!!
2smokey4u 1 month ago
I would say to the Pope....REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!
glendamarie1 1 month ago
@glendamarie1 Amen!
TheUnshamedMovement 1 month ago
@TheUnshamedMovement AMEN TO THAT
brianfdouglasfreeman 1 month ago in playlist jesus
@holtan310 I am about speading orthodox Christianity, if we spead a christianity full of lies we are worse then the gentiles, for those who teach will be held to a much higher standard according to the words of our LORD. Those who teach that salvation is by faith alone word for word contridict the cannon of the Catholic church "Not by faith alone" James 2:24, such teachings are unorthodox.
gtepp031387 1 month ago
This guy is stupid I know that I don't have to judge but if I was him I would tell him "Hey you could you please go and buy some SOME of the gold and the things you have" good one so he in a HUGE HOUSE and the other shitty things and then children dying in Africa....then he come and says help other why don't he help others first?
Imamaltese1 1 month ago
@Imamaltese1 Not buy sorry I mean SELL* :)
Imamaltese1 1 month ago
To claim to be the "Vicar of Christ" (mouthpiece for Christ) is blasphemy. Not only that, but we do not need to confess our sins to a priest in order that they intercede on our behalf. Jesus Christ is our intercessor and Saviour. The Catholic system requires that you put your faith in a fallible man, laying a stumbling block to your relationship with Christ. Let the scriptures interpret themselves and there is no confusion.
1692mar 1 month ago 2
@1692mar Amen
andrewdreiling11 1 month ago
@1692mar amen!
hortulanus94 1 month ago
@1692mar "To claim to be the "vicar of Christ" (mouthpiece of Christ) is blasphemy.REALLY? SAYS WHO? YOU? When did YOU get elected Pope? Would you mind giving me your INFALLIBLE interpretation of Exodus 7:1 from the original Hebrew? Thank you for the brief audience ,YOUR HOLINESS!
MrJhb211 1 month ago
@holtan310 lol...You are the ones that broke this law of GOD, you seperated from the church in the 1600s correct, you followed a schismatic named Martin Luther. The Catholic church is the church that Jesus established and traces it's roots right back to the apostles, every bishop in the church can trace his roots right back to one of the 12.
gtepp031387 1 month ago
@gtepp031387 Protestants broke away from the church because there was something wrong with it. Think of it as reverse ex-communication. Jesus talks about reprimanding your brother if he errs and thats what luther did, and since they didn't listen he did the only thing he could do: split away. I love you as a sibling in christ, but your attitude is more the one that breaks the "law" as you put it. We believe in the same Jesus, the same God. Let us not squibble over small things. No legalism and..
jeremiahjbarnes06 1 month ago
@jeremiahjbarnes06 "Jesus talks about reprimanding your brother if he errs"
Yes he does and he right after that states if he can not be swayed bring him to THE CHURCH and from this CHURCH a decision will be made with authority, if one rejects the ruling of THE CHURCH we are to treat this one as a publican, this is the word of Jesus.
gtepp031387 1 month ago
@jeremiahjbarnes06 "Protestants broke away from the church because there was something wrong with it"
Jesus promised that this would be impossible, I think I'll take Jesus over Luther and his schismatics, not to mention all the holy fathers throughout all ages point the way to orthodoxy and it looks nothing like Protestatism.
gtepp031387 1 month ago
@jeremiahjbarnes06 "thats what luther did"
Luther taught word for word contridictions of the holy cannon of the Catholic church like sola fide, and sola scriptura, both word for word contridict the cannon of the church. Not to mention he taught hatred for both Jews and Catholics, and started a full scale war know as the peasants war in germany. He also asked his follwers to "bathe in the blood of the Catholic bishop".
gtepp031387 1 month ago
@gtepp031387 harshness, but love instead. Instead of placing blame let us accept that we have different views and work to be better christians instead. By abandoning the legalism and hierarchy we abandon the stumbling blocks to christ.
jeremiahjbarnes06 1 month ago
@jeremiahjbarnes06 By abandoning the hierarchy we abandon the monarchy of GOD. The kingdom of GOD is not a democracy, Jesus came he set up a hierarchy, the apostles expanded on this hierarchy,(though we are not sure wether or not this was instructed peronally by Jesus) and the apostles had all authority to do such a thing. If you reject the apostles and there bindings then you reject Christ.
gtepp031387 1 month ago
this is the whole problem with these man made religions. Everyone believes that his or her own interpretation of the bible is the correct interpretation.
MrBeautifulba1 2 months ago
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If you look at Christian history -and Im a Christian- it is so bloody and hateful. I believe when homosexuality is no longer a sin in most, instead of some, Christians beliefs, they will have to find someone / something else to pick on. History, burn witches, support - KKK, The 3rd Reich, the holocaust, segregation, slavery - the Bible was used to condemn interracial marriage similar to gay marriage.
Christianity is based on guilt and denial. Threats and promises. All man made BS.
Chelsea4President 2 months ago
1:49 - "Roman Catholic theology is a heresy" - Totally right Mr Piper. God Bless you!!
sinsionismo 2 months ago
@sinsionismo "Roman Catholic theology is a heresy"
humm...the body of Christ is heresy to you?....and the invented faith of Luther is not???...wow!
gtepp031387 2 months ago
@gtepp031387 hummm... Follow the Bible and ONLY the Bible is heresy to you? wow!
sinsionismo 2 months ago
@sinsionismo 1) You do not have a bible, you have a kjv which is heretical with much missing and mistranslated text.
2) Scripture alone is heresy yes, even the bible states thus when it tells us to hold to both written scripture and oral tradition. The bible also states that the letter kills, teaching that the scripture alone without the holy spirit is also heresy.
3) The bible came from the church, in 393 they came together in council and decided what was scripture.
gtepp031387 2 months ago
@gtepp031387 1) How do you know what Bible I have? You're wrong, I have a Greek Koine translation.
2) The Holy Spirit comes by Faith, believing in Jesus Christ as the ONLY WAY to come to the Father, Faith comes by hearing, hearing what? THE WORD OF GOD, that is where?...
3) I suppose you are talking about the New Testament when you say "the bible"... But remember, Jesus Christ is the Torah in flesh... so.. The Torah also comes from the council?
4)Canons? Ethiopian Orthodox Church, also catholic?
sinsionismo 2 months ago
@sinsionismo 1) and where did your bible come from, who decided it's contents? Where and when was it put together?
2) Faith is given to all men, by the grace of GOD. The word of GOD is not contained within the written scripture, yet it is to be found within it's text no doubt. But without the spirit of truth the letter kills, scripture alone is heresy.
3) The bible is a specific Catholic compilation of scripture, the Jews never had a bible my dear seperated brethren.
gtepp031387 2 months ago
@sinsionismo 3) continued. The bible is a compilation of scripture it is not the complete word of GOD, Jesus does not fully dwell in any verion of scripture.
4) Cannons?(do not understand the question) the Ethiopian Orthodox church is not Catholic, they can claim to be all they want, they seperated from the church when the denied that Jesus was fully human and had a human will, this happened around the 4th ecumentical council, they where excommunicated from the body.
gtepp031387 2 months ago
1:15 your Holiness :)
xaxie1 2 months ago
john piper has a small pipe
lucadepu 2 months ago
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@selfdied "saving faith"
humm this is a big flaw,do you believe it is your work or deed of your own faith that earns salvation?This sounds like earned salvation to me and is another heresy.Faith is given to all men, it is a gift and work of GODs grace,GODs gifts(one of which is faith) can save you(provided you co-operater with his grace,which ability is also given by his grace but not in such a way as to remove your free will), YOUR faith can not as that would be earned salvation.
gtepp031387 2 months ago
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gtepp031387 2 months ago
@selfdied James compares faith without works to a dead body...does a dead body still exist?...Yes it does, and so does faith without works, but it is dead as it does not have the grace to sustain it....faith without works(of GOD not our works this is the last clarification) saves no one...thus faith ALONE = heresy.
gtepp031387 2 months ago
@selfdied "through faith(and this faith)is not of your own doing, it is a gift from GOD"..yes faith is a gift from grace no doubt, which is why grace is needed to water faith, which is said to be a fruit....do fruits grow?
gtepp031387 2 months ago
Also, if he really did belong to God. God would convict Him and bring him back, because God is keeping Him. If they don't repent it only shows they were never saved. True salvation never ends or is lost. Yet, if salvation is only a work of the mind then it can be lost. Its not tho, it is the result of the work of Gods Holy Spirit on a mans heart.
selfdied 2 months ago
@selfdied Your last post sounds like calvanism, do you believe in predestination of individuals?..If so do you believe GOD predestines people to hell for nothing they have dun?..."GOD wills all men to be saved"....thus it is not just GODs will but our co-operation with it...or else your saying that everyone is saved.
gtepp031387 2 months ago
@gtepp031387
And you're saying that he creates everybody not knowing where they're going? Arguing against predestination is innately arguing against the sovereignty of God. And several passages in Romans declare that God elects people. He chose us, we didn't choose Him.
Chiborino 2 months ago
@Chiborino "GOD wills all men to be saved"...he has predestined the human race for salvation, not individulas..."many are callled", these are the elect...but "few are choosen" these are those who will be saved...becaues they have in turn heeded the call...GOD knows every possible outcome sure but he gives to every human a free will. He destines no one to hell from birth.
gtepp031387 2 months ago
@gtepp031387 I'd like to point you to Romans 9:14-18
Chiborino 2 months ago
@Chiborino Point it out all you want...this is classic heresy...You take a couple of verses you over emphaisis them, and add your personal interpritation in such a way that you reject other passages...."GOD wills all men be saved" 1 Timothy 2:4....again it is not just GODS will but our co-operation with it.
gtepp031387 2 months ago
@gtepp031387 It's perfectly in context. The entire passage is about this topic. And if my passage doesn't argue for it, when what does it then argue for? Because in the contexts that we have in mind, the passages are at odds with each other, and this isn't allowed.
And stop using ellipsis after each sentence. Pet peeve of mine.
Chiborino 2 months ago
@Chiborino The passage you reffered to doesn't state either that GOD predestines individuals to hell nor heaven based on nothing they have dun. If you interprite the passage as meaning such then you reject other parts of the bible, and that is classic heresy. I can not make it any simpler. Just like the doctrin of faith alone it contridicts the bible word for word, "Not by faith alone" James 2:24.Yet people still find a way to personally interprite the bible to say faith alone.
gtepp031387 2 months ago
@gtepp031387 How do you figure it doesn't? Verse 17 says that God hardened Pharaoh's heart back in Exodus. The previous verse also says that it DOESN'T depend on human desire or effort (i.e. will). I'm not rejecting any passages. It all fits together somehow, our goal as those who seek to know God is to learn how it does.
And only fools pretend to be Christians by faith ALONE. Without works, you can't have faith. Without faith, you can't have works. The MUST go hand-in-hand.
Chiborino 2 months ago
@Chiborino GOD has the abiltiy to push us on way or another, and without the grace that GOD gives(from the sacrifice of Christ), with the fallen nature that we have since the original sin of Adam, we can not be saved. That being said he can push us one way and gives us sooo much grace to be saved, BUT(big but) not in such a way that removes our free will. GOD has given us the gift of free will he does not take it away.
gtepp031387 2 months ago
@Chiborino As far as it not being by our will, it is true and not. Our will can not save us, but without it we can not be saved either....let me explain... we have a will and must surrender it to the will of GOD, therfore it is all on GODS shoulders, we submit our will and GOD does the rest. The abiltity to submit our will also is given us by the grace of GOD(but not in such a way to remove our free will).GOD may gives us sooo much help and soo many gifts, but there is a catch...cont
gtepp031387 2 months ago
@Chiborino ..cont...that is, to the one that is given more more will be expected. To the one who has been given the ability to lead and teach and be lead by grace the same will be judged more strictly.
gtepp031387 2 months ago