FreeBSD OpenBSD or OpenSolaris as a Linux replacement!

[enyawix]

Linux / UNIX sucks more every year because power is traded for usability for N00b users. Just install windows and stop making UNIX worse than it already is. FreeBSD, OpenBSD, OpenSolaris, and Linux are ok systems that were better.

[TheElectricRider]

I hate UNIX's idea of having to use a Terminal for commands. I use Linux currently Mepis ver 11 but all Linux's are the same under the hood. I also love windows 7, But the best free OS I really like is PC-BSD's latest called Isotope. I think any windows desktop user can use it easily. PC-BSD is Free-BSD that's geared to the desktop user. You never have to use a terminal for normal use. It will run all popular Linux apps out of the box as well as Wine and Games in wine.

[sir0cc0]

linux, man. leeeeeeee-nuks.

[theif519]

PC-BSD could be a very good Linux replacement IMO. It's not for COMPLETE beginners though, just people who know enough about computers to use Ubuntu or Mint.

[sephigi]

I'll use any os that allows me to use more cli (which real men should use) and less bloated, graphical shit like windows, which my nub, little sister loves so much.

[ve3tru]

"Linux is a Hack, and made by hackers" WTF Who did they hack and why?

When a caterpillar turns into a butterfly thats not a hack its progress.

[AdagioMS]

@ve3tru He means "hack" as in just tinker & modify code, not in the negative connotation - but in the hacker spirit of discovery & learning. As in like the olden days of the MIT hackers, not criminals.

Linus started the code base and released it to the world. It came into the hands of countless people who added to it, enhanced it,etc

So the linux kernal is kind of a big "hack job". The same could be said for much of open-source software I guess....

[senantiasa]

@AdagioMS According to Eric Raymond, the layman is usually confused between hackers and crackers (LOL!). I love that word (crackers) because it has two meanings...

[senantiasa]

Linux is not really an OS. It's just the kernel. It's just that I think most people seem to bunch them up together and therefore misuse the term.

[vseae15o]

@senantiasa

Just ignorant people who learn from lazy and or egotistic people like Linus who refuse to call it GNU/Linux is all.

[senantiasa]

@vseae15o I could understand why you say he's egoistic, but why do you say he's lazy? I read in wikipedia or somewhere else that he contributes to only 2 or 4 percent of the whole kernel development, is that what you mean? I can't help it, but I usually use the word 'Linux' to talk to the unfortunately ignorant people, because I'm afraid they won't understand what I'm saying. If I have more time, then I educate them, that it's actually GNU/Linux, not Linux.

[vseae15o]

@senantiasa

That may one that you've cited why he's lazy, but I read from time to time he speaks more than the work he does--without Stallman, Linus is a nobody. The group who'd use GNU/Linux as their primary OS is more likely to be curious about its history enough to use it--myself including. Otherwise, what you're doing is misinforming the people who will in turn misinform more people. Just use the name where the credit is due and let them find out for themselves.

[senantiasa]

@vseae15o But it only makes sense that way. For exmple, if a conversation is very short and they ask me what I do and I say "GNU/Linux". Some people might not want to look stupid by asking "WHAT'S THAT??" and so they just never understood what I do or they might think that it's some variant of "Linux". All I want them to know is that I work with the system that their brains call "Linux". I'm don't think I'm misinforming them, I just use the a misinformed vocabulary to inform them about what I do

[vseae15o]

@senantiasa

No it doesn't make sense because you're obscuring what makes a kernel an OS. It doesn't take me 5 minutes to tell you linux is the kernel from linus and GNU is a set of tools/commands that makes up the userland.

So quit making excuses to try to justify yourself. It's lame enough as it already is.

[senantiasa]

@vseae15o What you're saying is impractical really. There are times when I have to introduce myself to other people. I can't introduce myself with phrases such as "the kernel is actually the software that directly interacts with all your hardwares, on the other hand, the userland is..." or "There is a huge debate on what to call these systems. But the story began when....". However you look at it, you cannot bring up the subject without lecturing on technicalities... They'll think "weirdo...."

[vseae15o]

@senantiasa

"impractical" as defined by you only. Everyone has a name. Do you ask them what their name means every time? Who cares what people think? They can look it up or just tell them it's just called that way. Just call it GNU/Linux. Big deal.

[senantiasa]

@vseae15o "Do you ask them what their name means every time?" But I'm talking about cases where there is no 'every time'. "Who cares what people think?" I do! Are you the type of person who just talks about your interest regardless whether others are interested or not? "They can look it up" They can, but they won't. Do you look up every term you hear? "just tell them it's just called that way" WHAT'S CALLED THAT WAY? LINUX IS CALLED GNU/LINUX??

[senantiasa]

@vseae15o Listen, I understand the importance of calling it "GNU/Linux" (beyond a five-minute conversation). I remember when I first google the word "Linux", I went to their site and just saw kernel developments and patches, etc. If on the other hand, I had searched for "GNU" instead, then I would've been introduced to the 'free software' cause earlier. A different topic: I read in a blog once that Stallman said it's ok to use non-free software if there's no free equivalent." Is that true?

[TheSigmaMMX]

FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Slackware, Solaris, used/use them all, all are hackable. THE OS DOESNT SUCK, IT IS THE USER WHO SUCKS..

[hellertytus]

you wrong in something yo are saying!!!! when you say the only free operatin system.. linux is a program not a complete operating system!!! in fact in order to get usefull freebsd you need install many GNU apps and that make it unix like too!!! the only thin that matter that all the thing must work!!! that it!!!

[aarsho]

wrong. bsd is its own branch of unix-like operating systems. it has many of its own utilities, predates the gnu project, and does not NEED gnu apps to run the OS. i prefer linux myself, but don't detract from the work of the bsd or solaris branches - they are NOT the enemy.

[Reichiruu]

@TheSigmaMMX yes its basicly: PBCAC

the sysadmins know what I mean :P

[arranmc182]

I would go with FreeBSD if you dont mind doing most stuff by hand (True BSD way) or if you want things a little more easy try OpenSolaris (wifi is a true week point)

[bogoid]

Solaris and BSD rocks, fuck linux!

[WeedingWaimbow]

@bogoid Why? Whats wrong with it?

[bogoid]

Solaris and BSD are more stable than linux. System V is true unix, not a clone.

The managment of the open solaris project is better than any linux distro IMO, cause every release brings a lot of good improvements, and on the other side, ubuntu, suse and mint, bring new themes.

[WeedingWaimbow]

@bogoid You are talking about all the distros that are made for ease. Talk about Gentoo, it is one of the most stable. And then there is RedHat and all. You don't have a complete view. But at least we all agree that windows is Shit

[bogoid]

No, sorry friend, I don't agree with that.

Windows has it strong points, like every operating system.

I dont want to start a flame war anyways, but i think that microsoft has a decent and good product now.

[senantiasa]

@bogoid You're mostly right if you say that Ubuntu and SuSE only bring new themes. They are supported by corporations, what do you expect? For the most part, they want to sell. (Mint is just a clone of Ubuntu with some minor modifications). But have you tried Debian and CentOS?? They suck at selling because they are completely community supported, but they're awesome for stability. Their releases are when the OS is ready, so they don't make releases 3x a year like the company-supported OSs do.

[senantiasa]

@senantiasa I just realized that I put free OSes and apps backed by corporations in a bad light. One of the good things about corporations who honestly support the free software community is that they argue less while developing (IMO, like Debian for example) and they fill in the areas that completely-community driven FOSS cannot do alone (like GNU/Linux certifications, advertising, funding, etc).

[senantiasa]

@bogoid Sorry, I need to add. If you're actually trying to compare Open Solaris to Linux Mint, this means that you really don't understand the purpose of Linux Mint and possibly your whole argument. If you want to put Linux Mint on servers, then you are crazy!! It is a home-desktop distribution. I'm a command-line junkie and use Debian, but when I want to relax and enjoy seeing beautiful graphics and not think about technical things, I use my Mint.

[codecaine]

@bogoid yea right lol

[Tuxist1]

i use openbsd for firewall and linux for desktop and many servers and freebsd for mail server

[cilo56]

PC-BSD for Desktop

PC-BSD for Server for GUI administration

FreeBSD for Server for CLI only Admin (yes i know you can install a gui but why would you when your have the same system with PCBSD + it has PBI).

OpenBSD for security boundaries, like firewalls.

NetBSD for everything else even your toaster LOL

[silvercool2k]

Leeeenux!!!!!!! its pronounced leee! nux! not lynux!

[nerfur]

openbsd slow? what do you mean? slow in "development" or slow in booting\using?

[enyawix]

@ nerfur

very slow development

BSD users do not help you get started like Linux users do. If something goes wrong with a BSD server you a f%# in terns of support.

[nerfur]

Ages of M$-slavery convert users into lusers, in most times they DON'T WANT to read docs, and think that ask in million times about "how to install program" is better, than reading or googling.

But BSDs require pretty high, but not nonsense or guru level of computer literacy. At first you need some knowledge to just find that BSDs or solarises exist.

At second you already know what you do or read something about it, just because you interested in it and not just try to be "cool ubuntu haxxor".

[nerfur]

At third BSD way better documented in plain man and "handbook" and as i said before BSD/solaris users at most times more ready for unix, than most linux users (especially in modern time). It's not problem of users, it is problem of popularity, bad documentation and users which don't want to learn new, but want to somehow use new. So BSD users just ask less answers.

[nerfur]

And if you mean under terms of support - "commercial-like" than i can say you that there are pretty many in the world UNIX-support companies, that will help you with your any problem in any OS =)

PS And sorry for bad english, it's not my native.

[nerfur]

Ohhhh, youtube lost my first part about slow development, at most it is problem of low developers amount and not being of "mainstream". But if you look at this low amount of devs and huge amount of work they made and continue to make, this development will look like "rapid" =)))

[Mentalikryst]

With Linux if you screw something up, you surf forum posts for a while and check a wiki...

With BSD if you screw something up, you fix it yourself, instead of sitting on your lazy ass waiting for some developer to email you about what you screwed up.

[enyawix]

I have used linux since 1996 and I still have to google and ask questions. An OS has so many moving parts no one can know know the complete system. I help users and users help me.

[littlegalah]

thanks for the info

[anonfucker]

FreeBSD > Great, but there's no flash.

OpenBSD > very secure, great for firewalls, slow as fuck

OpenSolaris > slow as fuck

[UbuntuLee]

Fuck OpenSolaris. It is a joke. Regular Solaris FTW.

Solars has flash too :D

[anonfucker]

I tired Solars x86;didn't like it.

[UbuntuLee]

Solaris is good. It has old software and needs a lot of ram but it is stable as hell. Uptime for months to years man. Not to mention the ZFS filesystem which kicks major ass.

[benutzer2]

Solaris is an excellent operating system, but traditional solaris doesn't meet the average requirements of the desktop user. OpenSolaris is a bridge between extreme functionality. It will eventually do for the desktop market what the SUV did for the automotive market.

[cavaliersunbird]

AGREED!!