we are worried about unborn babys, there are so many children out there in broken homes, born out of wedlock, famine, unloved, abused, used,victims, starving. and you worry about abortion? i don't see abortionist taking these kids in. mabe 1 out of a thousand. were all about opertunity, but suck at control.
we are worried about unborn babys, there are so many children out there in broken homes, born out of wedlock, famine, unloved, abused, used,victims, starving. and you worry about abortion? i don't see abortionist taking these kids in. mabe 1 out of a thousand. were all about opertunity, but suck at control.
We should stop comparing unborn fetuses to plants or anything like that because even in a biblical sense plants aren't alive. plants aren't alive because they don't have the breath of life in them
these evangelical idiots, the world is changing towards reason and compassion, and they don't want to keep up. Finally evangelical fundamentalism is losing power in America, about time! Rejoice!!!
if god knitted all people, then one person should kill another or domestically abuse another. yet, why isn't domestic abuse isn't a mission of yours John Piper? you'll never win in your pro-life campaign in the eyes of God. Because God by giving his people Jesus, allowed us to the chose our own actions. you, as a white, middle-class male (as you just said) cannot chose for the women in unfortunate circumstances.
@tucknasty89 agreed this person has no understanding of logical things, especially logical faith. We're here to preserve our outcome, not to live a pointless life.
God makes human beings? Nah nah nah pal you got it all wrong, didn't your parents have the talk with you? Human beings are made when two people fuck without protection! We can always count on the religious people to give the dumbest freaking arguments. The bible is bullshit, and so is every other religious book. God is as much true as Zeus, Allah, Ganesh and all the other magical invisible people schizophrenics all over the world believe in.
@Malisis You guys need to let other people live their own life and don't force people to follow your religion's guidelines. If you want to believe in God, go ahead but don't get off telling other people what to do cuz your God is against it. Stop being bigots and allow homosexuals and women in favor of abortion to live their lives as they see fit. It's not your right to tell others what they can and can not do.
@10trojan10 You guys need to let other people live their own life and don't force people to follow your NON-religious guidelines. If you DON"T want to believe in God, go ahead but don't get off telling other people what to do cuz your DISBELIEF is against it. Stop being bigots and allow christians and women in favor of pro-life to live their lives as they see fit. It's not your right to tell others what they can and can not do.
Argument checked against one's self 1st is always a better argument
@jsnrws This perhaps the worse argument I've seen on youtube. I'm not telling other people what to do other than saying that people should allow everyone the right to marry, so therefore there is equality and not discrimination. And if people are pro-life, that's great, that's their decision and their choice so they should keep their kid. But if there is a woman, who for some reason, believes abortion is best for her in her situation, she should have the decision, not the Church.
@10trojan10 LOL.. "if there is a woman, who for some reason, believes abortion is best for her in her situation, she should have the decision, not the Church." If that's you're stance your argument has won. It "is" her decision. Any person on here making a case against abortion has an opinion and a God-given and Constitutionally given right to share that opinion, just like you.
Freedom of speech at work. Welcome to America. In the words of a wise person, "Let other people live their own life."
I don't believe Christians are pro-life because God values children because this of course is false. God has killed many infants in his lifetime (killing all the first born of Egypt or randomly pick a page in the OT and God is condoning killing someone). But I believe they are pro-life because the Bible is against rights for women. I mean who are these women to think that they actually have control of their own body, I mean come on women.
@10trojan10 God in Christian tradition is the source of life. It is his to give and take away, it is not our own. Also "death" in the Christian tradition means separation, not and ending. Physical death is separation of soul from the body and spiritual death is separation of man from God. I have read the collection of books and letters that make up the Bible many times and do not agree with your claim about the Bible being against rights for women.
@xclosetohumanx On the contrary, even outside of Biblical reference, in a logical level, there is a LOT of evidence for the existence of God, far more than you can imagine.
@Malisis I don't hold the position that there is no god. My position is that there is no evidence for one, just as there is no evidence for unicorns or leprechauns. The burden of proof lies on those who make the claim, not those who choose not to accept it.
@Malisis I'm also waiting for you guys to disprove the flying spaghetti monster. Until you do, I'm a devout believe of his spaghetti-ness. Do you see the irrationality of your statement.
@10trojan10 That is not an appropriate comparison. God, be definition, transcends the laws of nature. The concept of God is a writer of the laws. Why should one suppose that the writer of a book now must be relegated to the context of his own writings? A spaghetti monster is ridiculous because it would violate the laws of it's realm.
1/3 of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, which is medically referred to as "spontaneous abortion". One quarter of all humans ever born are currently alive today. That means 24 billion humans have been successfully conceived. So if we apply today's miscarriage rate (and it undoubtedly was higher in ancient times), god would be responisble for about 12 billion spontaneous abortions.
The bible says that before we were formed in the womb, God knew us. God clearly tells us that life begins with HIM and HIS thoughts and HIS thoughts manifested produces what we see today; all little babies even from the time of conception. The bible also says that God planned every day of our lives. God is clearly telling us about the human soul. HE knew us and planned our days before we were formed. No excuse for abortion.
@T2Todd2 That's funny, especially since the bible is an irrelevant book written 2000 years ago by uneducated villagers. There's absolutly no evidence for god, don't try to make women and girls suffer because of your RELIGIOUS beliefs
Our policy on abortion should be based upon compassion and common sense, not upon religion. Should we really follow the advice of a God who supposedly said "Blessed is the one who grabs your little children and smashes them against a rock" (Psalm 137:9) ?
@EqualAndFree He was talking about the offspring of the nation of Babylon that were assaulting His kingdom. Attempting to destroy the nation of Israel that would end up carrying the Savior. The Savior God that was put to death by a method in which we derive the word excruciating in order to save a wretched people from eternal destruction and torment. Endured the most incredible suffering and said, "Father forgive them; they do not know what they are doing". God is a Holy God.
@SpartanOstrich15 The attitude of most Christians I've met is that their God shares their own personal prejudices and sees anyone that they don't like as the offspring of the nation of Babylon who should burn eternally in hell. This psychology allowed the people of Salem to burn whoever they wanted. It must be convenient and good for your ego to believe that everyone you happen to hate - liberals, wetbacks, atheists, pro-choice doctors etc - is also hated by the Creator of the Universe.
@SpartanOstrich15 You've just used the Bible to justify the mass slaughter of children. Now you're saying exactly the opposite. Make up your mind. Whatever your current views for or against violence & hate the fact is that many people over centuries have used the Bible & their interpretation of the 'will of God' (i.e. their own prejudices) to justify Crusades, witch burning, anti-semitism, pogroms, inter-denominational religious wars, slavery, oppression of women, defense of segregation etc ...
@EqualAndFree .....You haven't understood what I've just said. God had a specific reason for slaughtering children, and as the Creator, He is justified to use His sovereignty. I am not denying wretched things have been done in the name of Christianity. In the old testament, the salvation of the world was at stake so more radical methods had to be used by God. The savior has come and therefore there isn't a need for mass slaughter of enemies. Of course I hate the fact people have misused theBible
@EqualAndFree cont. for their own selfish gain. They are sinning against God when the do so, and wrath will be served unless one repents. I've already made up my mind, what I said was not contradictory. I strongly suggest you try and understand what the Bible is saying before you set yourself against it.
@SpartanOstrich15 I'm sure that with sufficient faith all the direct contradictions in the Bible simply seem to disappear. Faith means never having to take reason seriously and never having to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. As Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism, said: "Reason is the Devil's Whore".
Actually what Martin says, and you will know this if you actually read the whole thing is: That reason ALONE without revelation from God and His Word is the devil's whore. He was all for reason, just not reason alone. Just look at his speech at the diet of worms especially the last where he calls for reason but reason and scripture.
@latespear Is this the statement of a reasonable man:
"Reason is the Devil's greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil's appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom ... Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism... She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets."
Over 50% of "babies" are naturally aborted (i.e. due to natural causes) before childbirth. Does that mean that God is the #1 abortionist in all of the world? He really did a poor job miraculously and wondrously making those 50% of conceptuses.
God makes us in womb, he decides when we die, and when we live. He creates life, and only he has the right to take it. When you kill someone, wether they are three months along in the womb or 55 years old, you're still playing God.
@sophiethenerd What would yu do if you found a person injured in a traffic accident? Would you take them to a hospital where the doctors will "play God" or would you allow God to have his way by leaving the victim to die. We are not responsible citizens unless we "play God" every day.
God is the greatest abortionist and if you believe the Bible, even the greatest mass-murderer. Abortion is not the ideal solution, but mankind has to find a way to curb it`s population growth. China made a commendable effort.
Poor argument. I hope, to avoid being a hypocrite, you will have no more than one child. Sure, maybe everybody should be forced to have one child. Oh no wait, that gives the government the power over our own lives at the most fundamental level: our own offspring and our ability to procreate.
Unless you want a future of Orwellian proportions don't subscribe to plans like China's 'One-Child Policy' endorsed by totalitarean governments.
NIce logic "sentientists". Everyone dies naturally, so is murder OK? Way more people die of natural causes or accidents than by murder...so why punish murder? Can you take your logic to its logical conclusion?
I do take my arguments to their logical conclusions, always. I do have a degree in Philosophy, so I understand what they entail.
This argument is not my defense of abortion. I have a much more thought out argument.
This is my question to someone with the accepted premise that abortion is wrong. If you accept that abortion is wrong AND you accept that God has a plan for everyone and everything. It logically follows that all stillborn infants were put there (by God) to be prematurely killed.
God has the right to decide when we are born and when we die. The problem isn't that babies die, but that people kill babies with abortion. For babies, natural death isn't such a terrible thing...a person killing a baby is. Our life here on Earth is but a water vapor; it comes and goes in almost an instant compared to the eternal afterlife. Death is appointed to everyone whether they die in the womb, 10 years, 40 years, or 90 years of age. We all die.
I am not sure if this interests you, but your analogy is fallacious. There is a distinction between murder and abortion. Murder is the taking of life from a being that possesses all the qualities of personhood (reason, rationality, the ability to imagine oneself in another position in a different time). Fetuses do belong to our species, but lack all traits of personhood. A better analogy would have been a parallel between abortion and the slaughter of non-human animals.
So we can kill anyone who don't fit your definition of personhood? At what age does a baby have these things? 3 months? 6 months? You argue that babies in the womb are not human...so when does it start for them...when do you define personhood in real terms then?
I do not argue that fetuses are not human. They most definitely are, but only in the sense that they are Homo sapiens.
Of course it is difficult to define exactly when personhood comes about because it is a gradual process. Sentience, which is definitely an important quality when considering a moral dilemma, arises around the 25 week stage. At this point abortions should be taken very seriously, but only to the extent that killing a chicken or a lizard should be.
So...those who are less developed have less rights? Is that your point? So is it a sliding scale, or only used in this instance? So when someone reaches into a womb and cuts off legs and arms of a baby, you say it is just like killing chicken or lizards? Hmmm...where else have I heard that used as an excuse to kill others?
I argue that killing a fetus is similar to killing a non-human animal of similar qualities, and there is no way around this without a speciesist approach to your ethical code.
You still haven't responded to my assertion that God is the greatest abortionist doctor of all time. I would like to hear your defense of his actions or your argument as to why this isn't true.
Your appeal to pathos about cutting off a "babies" arms might appeal to 13 year old girls in a congregation, but it does nothing to advance a philosophical dispute. It would make anyone trained in philosophy assume that its purpose is to make up for a weakness in the argument.
Weakness of argument? Why should we trust philosophers to tell us what life is valuable? Just look where that got us in the 20th century.(Hitler, Stalin, Eugenics). What if some philosopher decides that personhood only comes at age 4, 10, 21? The truth is you can think on this your whole life, but you have only your own weak mind to trust in this issue. Some of the smartest people in the world have used their "philosophy" to do terrible things. You are no different.
If you want to get an answer to why God is not the worst abortionist of all time, there are volumes of work on that subject...a youtube debate on that particular point is insufficient. You reject the authority of God in your life (that's why you take His place by deciding for yourself when life begins), so I don't expect you to have any understanding on those issues.
I shall repeat myself. I do not decide when life begins. I only think it is important that we discuss when a being deserves protection under the law. I assume that you wouldn't suggest we make hand-washing illegal, but that literally takes the life of thousands of skin cells (all containing human life). We must find the point in which "life" demands protection.
Show me a single volume on why God allows for so many "babies" to die during or before childbirth. I am eager to read one, for I have never encountered such a book. I do not believe God ever described when life begins, but again I look forward to the bible verse illustrating this. I have read the bible twice and don't remember any such verses.
And I do not reject the authority of God in my life; I reject the notion that he has authority in my life. Don't need it. Thanks, but no thanks.
Whether you take my philosophical view of personhood or the theological view (the ability to have and maintain a relationship with the creator), the necessary properties do not come about until after birth.
I'm pro life however the problem is when folks want to use that as a single litmus test issue in voting which in basically means vote republican.Since many republican policies as we have seen the past years are downright dangerous,pro corporate to the extreme degree and downright hippocritical it's hard to vote for them on an issues, even they play both ways.President Bush made it clear he believed the culture of the country wasn't ready to see Roe V Wade overturned.
DavidOrtiz7 The answer to your question can be found in the bible in the bible. Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.Ecclesiastes 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
So when a baby is born with defects god was tired or drunk while knitting? So when a child is stillborn god decided to cancel that particular project? This guy has every right to believe that kind of shit but, his views on abortion are fucked up.
Well, they aren't. Christians are the ones who try to "missionize" non-believers, not the other way around. That's obvious since I have to push my way through a pack of violent pro-lifers outside an abortion clinic and can't marry my lesbian life partner in the great state of Texas.
Freedom from violence yes, however marriage is clearly between a man and a woman, nor should people be allowed to murder children.
If you want to oppose this fine, but at least be honest that you're attempting to change things and propagate your own ideologies. I recognize that's what I'm doing.
Furthermore, you can't say "don't push your morals on me" because that is a moral command being made by yourself.
Actually it is more than a clump of cells, it even appears to have human likeness. Furthermore, I could say that you are a clump of cells. God determines what it is, and according to the scriptures it is called a child.
Who says its more than a clump of cells? Any scientific proof to back this up? Please don't go all christo on me, the scriptures do not count as proof as the scripture is mainly a document complied by humans and not God.
God declares so in the scriptures, who is the only one qualified to make that sort of a determination.
The word fetus comes from latin meaning little one, they appear to have the likeness of a child, they dream, they are alive, they respond to stimulus. They will develop into a human being unless they are murdered.
Which scriptures the bilble? Who wrote the bible - God or humans? How do you know who wrote it - you were not there?
You cannot have a discussion with me while bringing up scriptures - as they do not represnt anything of meaning to me - I believe they were a fabrication.
Men wrote the bible from inspiration from God, this is clearly demonstrated by the writings themselves. There is also the issue of prophecy, the validity of it's judgment regarding the character of mankind and the world around us. Not to mention the testimony of Jesus Christ regarding them.
I will always bring up the scriptures, they are the only reliable source of information regarding topics such as this.
I too can write a book and call it say 'The Zizle' and write in the book that I was inspired by 'God'. My point is how can you be so certain of its authenticity? You may well be right - but how can you be so sure.
Yes you could but after reading the book and comparing it with reality I would probably be able to determine it's validity.
I can be certain as to the scripture's authenticity because of things such as fulfilled prophecy, the testimony of nature, the Holy Spirit, archeology, it's accuracy regarding the character of mankind and the state of the world. It's work in reality in my life and the lives of others.
Regarding fulfilled prophecies - this is mainly a matter of interpretation. The testimony of nature - Bible say that the world is 6000 yrs old, carbon dating tells us the world is much much older.
Also can I physically touch or see or hear the Holy Spirit?
Prophecy does need to be interpreted but it's usually pretty clear regarding it's accuracy. The bible never says such a thing, and carbon dating presumes a constant rate of decay. No the Holy Spirit is spirit, it witnesses with our spirit ... not audibly or physically.
And I am not a clump of cells, I am an organism made up of organ systems, consisting of organs, which are made up of cells. An embryo is merely two cells - a sperm and an egg.The first few weeks it is nothing more than that.
I do not understand what you mean by 'So you're a sack of organs? Wow, I should show you the highest respect.' But yee on a physical level you and I are essentially made up of organs. Don't tell me you deny this?
On a physical level yes, but that's not what we are and it doesn't determine our worth. God does that, and we are made in the image of God. That's why you deserve respect and to be treated with dignity, not simply like an object.
On a socila level you are an individual and therefore deserve respect and to be treated with dignity. But on a physical level you're a sack of organs as you put it, however this fact does not determine you're worth.
I'm sorry that simply doesn't stand up to logic or reason. That would be placing value on something which does not possess any within itself. The social status of something should be derived from what it is, not the other way around. If your ideology was correct any society could determine the worth and dignity deserving of a sack of organs to be nothing less than enslavement.
Perhaps according to your personal determination, but that is what is truly irrelevant ... isn't it? Rather, we seek the supreme Creator's opinion in these matters ... not yours.
@FillTheirVoid There is no supreme creator, that's why you CAN'T seek his ipinion so you have to resort to find it in a 2000 years old book written by uneducated villagers.
Now you're asserting an absolute negative without the prerequisite of exhaustive knowledge. You need to get an education. We seek for His opinion within the special revelation of the scriptures. Furthermore, the age of the material has no effect upon it's veracity.
How much fallacious reasoning can you squeeze into a single paragraph?
@FillTheirVoid ''Furthermore, the age of the material has no effect upon it's veracity.'' The source of the bible is also a big problem, but since the age of the material doesn't matter why not ask Zeus what he thinks of abortion? '' You need to get an education.'' I got a really good education thank you. There is no god, no allah, no zeus, no ganesh and so on, they are myths and completly irrelevant on subjects such as abortion.
I have made a video called "Suppression of truth in unrighteousness which reveals how unrighteous and ungodly men suppress truth. I hope someone is blessed by it. God bless you
Self awareness is shown by many behavioral patterns in animals; some of which are: status, pride, self esteem, territoriality, self punishment, self love, supremacy, and submission.
Lets take supremacy: supremacy can not exist without self awareness, if you are not aware of yourself, how can you be able to understand how great you are or how small you are.
As another example, lets take territoriality: to own property you need to be aware of your self in order to understand the ownership of your property. If you where not self aware you would not have the need to own any property, for you will not be aware of your own needs.
@Slaught1004 WHEN I WAS 20 .MY FUTURE INLAWS ABORTED OUR FIRST CHILD I HAD NO SAY IN THIS .I WAS AT WORK.WHEN I TELL THEM THEY WERE WRONG THEY BRUSH ME ASIDE.MY WIFE AND WERE HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEARTS IM BLESSED WITH GRANDCHILDREN THANK YOU LORD
@Slaught1004 WHEN I WAS 20 .MY FUTURE INLAWS ABORTED OUR FIRST CHILD I HAD NO SAY IN THIS .I WAS AT WORK.WHEN I TELL THEM THEY WERE WRONG THEY BRUSH ME ASIDE.MY WIFE AND WERE HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEARTS IM BLESSED WITH GRANDCHILDREN THANK YOU LORD
(421842) read exodus 21:16.... the people who captured people and sold them as slaves were to be put to death... slavery back then is not what you are thinking when a man could not provide for his family he would sell them as slaves where they would be fed and given a place to live in exchange for them working it is not like the african american slavery you are thinking of.
Not everything we do is God's will. We're sinful. Do you think it's God's will that we sin? If I killed my brother, do you think that I'm doing God's will?
the devil was orgionally create as a holy angel, he fell by his own will, adam and eve fell by there own will, but there was a great purpose behind it all. God allowed it so he could demonstrate himself before mankind and all the heavenly host, to give a DEMONSTRATION of himself before all creation. His love, his mercy, his grace, his soverignty, his justice, his power, his angry, his wrath.
Exactly. It's all about free will which is also known as "The Priesthood of the Believer", and in our Constitution as "Feedom of Conscience." The main thing is, we disagree with when a fetus receives a soul and I don't have to take your word for it as I have a personal relationship with GOD and you have no right, moral or civil in which you can legally interfere with my privacy rights and personal choices. It's sheer arrogance to believe otherwise.
"as I have a personal relationship with GOD and you have no right, moral or civil in which you can legally interfere with my privacy rights and personal choices. It's sheer arrogance to believe otherwise."
I can tell your conscience has already been seared with a hot iron. If you ARE a child of God your concience should bear witness in the holy spirit that abortion is SIN anyway you put it. Having christian freedom is not a license to sin.
So by acknowledging evil in the world then their must be an absolute standard of good. HMM! Suffering is a cause of Man's sin. Man has not taken proper care of what they have been given (earth) and "raped" the soil (did not give it time to regenerate). Therefore it caused many people to go hungry because it could not produce enough food. Things like that also happen to make people turn to God for their answers. God doesn't do that so they will suffer!
Redundant. Abortion isn't about God because there is no such entity as a God as you see it. God allowed 70 million people to starve to death during the 1970s in China. If God exists, he enjoys the suffering of his creation.
70 million people in China starved because a government decided life was cheap and disposable in order to make great leaps forward in industrialization. The removal of the sanctity of life of which is a central theme of abortion was the issue there.
Communists don't believe in GOD. And, when u are as overpopulated like China life becomes cheap. What do u think will happen here if we keep allowing overpopulation?
The Chinese didn't starve because of over population but because of insane and retarded agricultural and economic policies. The reason the Chinese had such large families was because they needed them to work farms in order to survive.
Christianity does not make the claim that it is God's job to make sure that nothing bad ever happens, nor that it is his goal to make our lives here on earth long and pleasurable. Rather the fact that horrible things do happen is an indication of how much we and the world need God.
Most chinese are communist. They don't believe in GOD. GOD doesn't help those who do not believe and obey. By his word which is law he cannot and still remain GOD. EVERYTHING in life is about GOD or u don't believe in him at all.
If God is the creator of all and knows everything- then wouldn't God have known that the man who got shot "accidentally" by his hunting buddy wasn't a bear but was actually a person? Didn't God just use the hunting buddy to "accidentally" shoot the man- then punish the hunting buddy and make him feel guilty for the rest of his life? Just because we as humans- don't really have any idea of what is going on- doesn't mean that God doesn't- or that he doesn't set us up to fall.
God makes people who get into car accidents. We make EMT's and hospitals to help them.
God makes cancer and AIDS. We try our best to cure or at least alleviate sufferring.
God makes situations such as rape and incest or not caring about oneself or others. We try to have options for people who have been victims in any case- whether it is because "they" supposedly screwed up, or it was just an "accident".
Abortion is an issue only because our society has abandoned Gods Word. God would rather nip this problem in the bud before the child is even born. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 says if a husband marries a girl and finds her not to be a virgin, then she is to be stoned to death. Notice the girl is to be killed without a concern of whether she might be pregnant. God doesnt want that selfish man stuck raising a baby which wasnt his! God's solution to the problem is to kill both the girl and the baby.
the contrary, most people think they are good. Ask the average joe on the street if he thinks he is good he will say 'yes', when quized on his faults he will admit he has done some stuff wrong but is generally 'a pretty good guy'.
1 thing is that he has never need to have an abortion so he would not know how it feels give up a child do you honestly think chicks like having them NO but some of them need to
bear in mind also that pastors are the guys that are out there counciling the rape and molestation victims, it's a big call to say that we don't know what's going down...
you have been though it yourself & god fuck god what kind of deity rights a 1000 or so page book how to live you life & tells us were free to do whateve & it is not gods right to say what is right or wrong
we are free to do whatever, if you choose to do your own thing and not follow the God that made you that is up to you. But equally if you choose to honour that God who deserves respect then you follow what he says. That is the principle most of the western world live under, the right to vote as to your conscience.
Also, when you have spoken with hundreds of young women about how their dad or bf raped them you tend to get a pretty decent perspective on the evil in this world
also: those that believe in a God (but arent christian) often believe that because God thinks they are a 'pretty good guy' that they will go to heaven.
interesting thing about the brething, my understanding is that babies "breath" the amnionic fluid, sort of practising to breath air.
setiwoh 3 months ago
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we are worried about unborn babys, there are so many children out there in broken homes, born out of wedlock, famine, unloved, abused, used,victims, starving. and you worry about abortion? i don't see abortionist taking these kids in. mabe 1 out of a thousand. were all about opertunity, but suck at control.
WarbladeX1 4 months ago
we are worried about unborn babys, there are so many children out there in broken homes, born out of wedlock, famine, unloved, abused, used,victims, starving. and you worry about abortion? i don't see abortionist taking these kids in. mabe 1 out of a thousand. were all about opertunity, but suck at control.
WarbladeX1 4 months ago
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LN1992 4 months ago
We should stop comparing unborn fetuses to plants or anything like that because even in a biblical sense plants aren't alive. plants aren't alive because they don't have the breath of life in them
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tucknasty89 6 months ago
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these evangelical idiots, the world is changing towards reason and compassion, and they don't want to keep up. Finally evangelical fundamentalism is losing power in America, about time! Rejoice!!!
marcohorowitz8 6 months ago
Any person who tries justifying killing babies with any arguement, or any reason is himself pure evil. What if your parent had abortions?
b1foschiefs 8 months ago
if god knitted all people, then one person should kill another or domestically abuse another. yet, why isn't domestic abuse isn't a mission of yours John Piper? you'll never win in your pro-life campaign in the eyes of God. Because God by giving his people Jesus, allowed us to the chose our own actions. you, as a white, middle-class male (as you just said) cannot chose for the women in unfortunate circumstances.
idrinkhoney 9 months ago
@idrinkhoney He cannot chose, but it doesn't change whether its right or wrong. He's only answering questions presented to him.
ThyWillBeDone001 8 months ago
@reasonwillwin read 'Reasonable Faith' by William Lane Craig. It will challenge many of your presumptions
tucknasty89 9 months ago
@tucknasty89 agreed this person has no understanding of logical things, especially logical faith. We're here to preserve our outcome, not to live a pointless life.
jselvrom 2 months ago
God makes human beings? Nah nah nah pal you got it all wrong, didn't your parents have the talk with you? Human beings are made when two people fuck without protection! We can always count on the religious people to give the dumbest freaking arguments. The bible is bullshit, and so is every other religious book. God is as much true as Zeus, Allah, Ganesh and all the other magical invisible people schizophrenics all over the world believe in.
Reasonwillwin 9 months ago
@Malisis You guys need to let other people live their own life and don't force people to follow your religion's guidelines. If you want to believe in God, go ahead but don't get off telling other people what to do cuz your God is against it. Stop being bigots and allow homosexuals and women in favor of abortion to live their lives as they see fit. It's not your right to tell others what they can and can not do.
10trojan10 1 year ago
@10trojan10 You guys need to let other people live their own life and don't force people to follow your NON-religious guidelines. If you DON"T want to believe in God, go ahead but don't get off telling other people what to do cuz your DISBELIEF is against it. Stop being bigots and allow christians and women in favor of pro-life to live their lives as they see fit. It's not your right to tell others what they can and can not do.
Argument checked against one's self 1st is always a better argument
jsnrws 1 year ago
@jsnrws This perhaps the worse argument I've seen on youtube. I'm not telling other people what to do other than saying that people should allow everyone the right to marry, so therefore there is equality and not discrimination. And if people are pro-life, that's great, that's their decision and their choice so they should keep their kid. But if there is a woman, who for some reason, believes abortion is best for her in her situation, she should have the decision, not the Church.
10trojan10 1 year ago
@10trojan10 LOL.. "if there is a woman, who for some reason, believes abortion is best for her in her situation, she should have the decision, not the Church." If that's you're stance your argument has won. It "is" her decision. Any person on here making a case against abortion has an opinion and a God-given and Constitutionally given right to share that opinion, just like you.
Freedom of speech at work. Welcome to America. In the words of a wise person, "Let other people live their own life."
jsnrws 1 year ago
I don't believe Christians are pro-life because God values children because this of course is false. God has killed many infants in his lifetime (killing all the first born of Egypt or randomly pick a page in the OT and God is condoning killing someone). But I believe they are pro-life because the Bible is against rights for women. I mean who are these women to think that they actually have control of their own body, I mean come on women.
10trojan10 1 year ago
@10trojan10 God in Christian tradition is the source of life. It is his to give and take away, it is not our own. Also "death" in the Christian tradition means separation, not and ending. Physical death is separation of soul from the body and spiritual death is separation of man from God. I have read the collection of books and letters that make up the Bible many times and do not agree with your claim about the Bible being against rights for women.
Malisis 1 year ago
SEPARATION OF STATE AND RELIGION IS JUSTICE FOR ALL!
PALOMITA694 1 year ago
Too bad there's no evidence for the existence of god. At least then you'd have a case for your anti abortion sentiments.
xclosetohumanx 1 year ago
@xclosetohumanx On the contrary, even outside of Biblical reference, in a logical level, there is a LOT of evidence for the existence of God, far more than you can imagine.
Sukiomee 1 year ago
@Sukiomee If you have evidence for the existence of god, please do share. Me and the scientific community are waiting.
xclosetohumanx 1 year ago
@xclosetohumanx If you have evidence that disproves the existence of God, please do share. Me and the religious community are waiting.
Malisis 1 year ago
@Malisis I don't hold the position that there is no god. My position is that there is no evidence for one, just as there is no evidence for unicorns or leprechauns. The burden of proof lies on those who make the claim, not those who choose not to accept it.
xclosetohumanx 1 year ago
@Malisis I'm also waiting for you guys to disprove the flying spaghetti monster. Until you do, I'm a devout believe of his spaghetti-ness. Do you see the irrationality of your statement.
10trojan10 1 year ago
@10trojan10 That is not an appropriate comparison. God, be definition, transcends the laws of nature. The concept of God is a writer of the laws. Why should one suppose that the writer of a book now must be relegated to the context of his own writings? A spaghetti monster is ridiculous because it would violate the laws of it's realm.
Malisis 1 year ago
@Sukiomee Nope, there's none, sorry
10trojan10 1 year ago
@xclosetohumanx Actually they still wouldn't have a case:
1/3 of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, which is medically referred to as "spontaneous abortion". One quarter of all humans ever born are currently alive today. That means 24 billion humans have been successfully conceived. So if we apply today's miscarriage rate (and it undoubtedly was higher in ancient times), god would be responisble for about 12 billion spontaneous abortions.
God clearly indulges in abortion regularly.
uccomic 1 year ago
Amen John Piper!
Sassyladyme 1 year ago
The bible says that before we were formed in the womb, God knew us. God clearly tells us that life begins with HIM and HIS thoughts and HIS thoughts manifested produces what we see today; all little babies even from the time of conception. The bible also says that God planned every day of our lives. God is clearly telling us about the human soul. HE knew us and planned our days before we were formed. No excuse for abortion.
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Reasonwillwin 9 months ago
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@T2Todd2 That's funny, especially since the bible is an irrelevant book written 2000 years ago by uneducated villagers. There's absolutly no evidence for god, don't try to make women and girls suffer because of your RELIGIOUS beliefs
Reasonwillwin 9 months ago
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Reasonwillwin 9 months ago
You don't have to bring God into the picture to believe that abortion is wrong... no one is pro-abortion btw.
capereyda 1 year ago
Our policy on abortion should be based upon compassion and common sense, not upon religion. Should we really follow the advice of a God who supposedly said "Blessed is the one who grabs your little children and smashes them against a rock" (Psalm 137:9) ?
EqualAndFree 1 year ago
@EqualAndFree He was talking about the offspring of the nation of Babylon that were assaulting His kingdom. Attempting to destroy the nation of Israel that would end up carrying the Savior. The Savior God that was put to death by a method in which we derive the word excruciating in order to save a wretched people from eternal destruction and torment. Endured the most incredible suffering and said, "Father forgive them; they do not know what they are doing". God is a Holy God.
SpartanOstrich15 1 year ago
@SpartanOstrich15 The attitude of most Christians I've met is that their God shares their own personal prejudices and sees anyone that they don't like as the offspring of the nation of Babylon who should burn eternally in hell. This psychology allowed the people of Salem to burn whoever they wanted. It must be convenient and good for your ego to believe that everyone you happen to hate - liberals, wetbacks, atheists, pro-choice doctors etc - is also hated by the Creator of the Universe.
EqualAndFree 1 year ago
@EqualAndFree That makes no sense. Jesus said Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. I hate nobody.
SpartanOstrich15 1 year ago
@SpartanOstrich15 You've just used the Bible to justify the mass slaughter of children. Now you're saying exactly the opposite. Make up your mind. Whatever your current views for or against violence & hate the fact is that many people over centuries have used the Bible & their interpretation of the 'will of God' (i.e. their own prejudices) to justify Crusades, witch burning, anti-semitism, pogroms, inter-denominational religious wars, slavery, oppression of women, defense of segregation etc ...
EqualAndFree 1 year ago
@EqualAndFree .....You haven't understood what I've just said. God had a specific reason for slaughtering children, and as the Creator, He is justified to use His sovereignty. I am not denying wretched things have been done in the name of Christianity. In the old testament, the salvation of the world was at stake so more radical methods had to be used by God. The savior has come and therefore there isn't a need for mass slaughter of enemies. Of course I hate the fact people have misused theBible
SpartanOstrich15 1 year ago
@EqualAndFree cont. for their own selfish gain. They are sinning against God when the do so, and wrath will be served unless one repents. I've already made up my mind, what I said was not contradictory. I strongly suggest you try and understand what the Bible is saying before you set yourself against it.
SpartanOstrich15 1 year ago
@SpartanOstrich15 I'm sure that with sufficient faith all the direct contradictions in the Bible simply seem to disappear. Faith means never having to take reason seriously and never having to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. As Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism, said: "Reason is the Devil's Whore".
EqualAndFree 1 year ago
@EqualAndFree
Actually what Martin says, and you will know this if you actually read the whole thing is: That reason ALONE without revelation from God and His Word is the devil's whore. He was all for reason, just not reason alone. Just look at his speech at the diet of worms especially the last where he calls for reason but reason and scripture.
latespear 1 year ago
@latespear Is this the statement of a reasonable man:
"Reason is the Devil's greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil's appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom ... Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism... She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets."
EqualAndFree 1 year ago
watched till 2:40 . This guy is very retarded hahah
Metalheadddddd 1 year ago
Religions are inherited or accepted emotionally. Both are erroneous paths in the search for truth. Google Doe’s Account.
Kingkalty 1 year ago
Over 50% of "babies" are naturally aborted (i.e. due to natural causes) before childbirth. Does that mean that God is the #1 abortionist in all of the world? He really did a poor job miraculously and wondrously making those 50% of conceptuses.
mrcynic77 1 year ago
God makes us in womb, he decides when we die, and when we live. He creates life, and only he has the right to take it. When you kill someone, wether they are three months along in the womb or 55 years old, you're still playing God.
sophiethenerd 1 year ago
@sophiethenerd What would yu do if you found a person injured in a traffic accident? Would you take them to a hospital where the doctors will "play God" or would you allow God to have his way by leaving the victim to die. We are not responsible citizens unless we "play God" every day.
EqualAndFree 1 year ago
God is the greatest abortionist and if you believe the Bible, even the greatest mass-murderer. Abortion is not the ideal solution, but mankind has to find a way to curb it`s population growth. China made a commendable effort.
lizazoon 1 year ago
Poor argument. I hope, to avoid being a hypocrite, you will have no more than one child. Sure, maybe everybody should be forced to have one child. Oh no wait, that gives the government the power over our own lives at the most fundamental level: our own offspring and our ability to procreate.
Unless you want a future of Orwellian proportions don't subscribe to plans like China's 'One-Child Policy' endorsed by totalitarean governments.
Pompeycanuck 1 year ago
I completely agree.
Agalynet 2 years ago
I completely agree with this video.
Itrytotestify 2 years ago
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raoskaos 2 years ago
How many infants are stillborn each year? How many children die in the womb from natural causes?
Over 2 million babies die each year from complications at birth. That is double the number of doctor-performed abortions.
God is the greatest abortionist in the world.
sentientist 2 years ago
NIce logic "sentientists". Everyone dies naturally, so is murder OK? Way more people die of natural causes or accidents than by murder...so why punish murder? Can you take your logic to its logical conclusion?
skippie1234 2 years ago
I do take my arguments to their logical conclusions, always. I do have a degree in Philosophy, so I understand what they entail.
This argument is not my defense of abortion. I have a much more thought out argument.
This is my question to someone with the accepted premise that abortion is wrong. If you accept that abortion is wrong AND you accept that God has a plan for everyone and everything. It logically follows that all stillborn infants were put there (by God) to be prematurely killed.
sentientist 2 years ago
God has the right to decide when we are born and when we die. The problem isn't that babies die, but that people kill babies with abortion. For babies, natural death isn't such a terrible thing...a person killing a baby is. Our life here on Earth is but a water vapor; it comes and goes in almost an instant compared to the eternal afterlife. Death is appointed to everyone whether they die in the womb, 10 years, 40 years, or 90 years of age. We all die.
crem004 2 years ago
Now, I am not sure if you accept these premises.
But I think many people do, and I was simply pointing out what it means if you do.
sentientist 2 years ago
I am not sure if this interests you, but your analogy is fallacious. There is a distinction between murder and abortion. Murder is the taking of life from a being that possesses all the qualities of personhood (reason, rationality, the ability to imagine oneself in another position in a different time). Fetuses do belong to our species, but lack all traits of personhood. A better analogy would have been a parallel between abortion and the slaughter of non-human animals.
sentientist 2 years ago
So we can kill anyone who don't fit your definition of personhood? At what age does a baby have these things? 3 months? 6 months? You argue that babies in the womb are not human...so when does it start for them...when do you define personhood in real terms then?
skippie1234 2 years ago
I do not argue that fetuses are not human. They most definitely are, but only in the sense that they are Homo sapiens.
Of course it is difficult to define exactly when personhood comes about because it is a gradual process. Sentience, which is definitely an important quality when considering a moral dilemma, arises around the 25 week stage. At this point abortions should be taken very seriously, but only to the extent that killing a chicken or a lizard should be.
sentientist 2 years ago
So...those who are less developed have less rights? Is that your point? So is it a sliding scale, or only used in this instance? So when someone reaches into a womb and cuts off legs and arms of a baby, you say it is just like killing chicken or lizards? Hmmm...where else have I heard that used as an excuse to kill others?
skippie1234 2 years ago
Let's start thinking rationally here.
I argue that killing a fetus is similar to killing a non-human animal of similar qualities, and there is no way around this without a speciesist approach to your ethical code.
You still haven't responded to my assertion that God is the greatest abortionist doctor of all time. I would like to hear your defense of his actions or your argument as to why this isn't true.
sentientist 2 years ago
Your appeal to pathos about cutting off a "babies" arms might appeal to 13 year old girls in a congregation, but it does nothing to advance a philosophical dispute. It would make anyone trained in philosophy assume that its purpose is to make up for a weakness in the argument.
sentientist 2 years ago
Weakness of argument? Why should we trust philosophers to tell us what life is valuable? Just look where that got us in the 20th century.(Hitler, Stalin, Eugenics). What if some philosopher decides that personhood only comes at age 4, 10, 21? The truth is you can think on this your whole life, but you have only your own weak mind to trust in this issue. Some of the smartest people in the world have used their "philosophy" to do terrible things. You are no different.
skippie1234 2 years ago
If you want to get an answer to why God is not the worst abortionist of all time, there are volumes of work on that subject...a youtube debate on that particular point is insufficient. You reject the authority of God in your life (that's why you take His place by deciding for yourself when life begins), so I don't expect you to have any understanding on those issues.
skippie1234 2 years ago
I shall repeat myself. I do not decide when life begins. I only think it is important that we discuss when a being deserves protection under the law. I assume that you wouldn't suggest we make hand-washing illegal, but that literally takes the life of thousands of skin cells (all containing human life). We must find the point in which "life" demands protection.
sentientist 2 years ago
Show me a single volume on why God allows for so many "babies" to die during or before childbirth. I am eager to read one, for I have never encountered such a book. I do not believe God ever described when life begins, but again I look forward to the bible verse illustrating this. I have read the bible twice and don't remember any such verses.
And I do not reject the authority of God in my life; I reject the notion that he has authority in my life. Don't need it. Thanks, but no thanks.
sentientist 2 years ago
Whether you take my philosophical view of personhood or the theological view (the ability to have and maintain a relationship with the creator), the necessary properties do not come about until after birth.
sentientist 2 years ago
fantastic vid. atheists su, no one wants to read your lifeless rants on here.
darpachief 2 years ago
I'm pro life however the problem is when folks want to use that as a single litmus test issue in voting which in basically means vote republican.Since many republican policies as we have seen the past years are downright dangerous,pro corporate to the extreme degree and downright hippocritical it's hard to vote for them on an issues, even they play both ways.President Bush made it clear he believed the culture of the country wasn't ready to see Roe V Wade overturned.
roberts11000 2 years ago
DavidOrtiz7 The answer to your question can be found in the bible in the bible. Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.Ecclesiastes 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
brickadune 2 years ago
life and soul are the same word in Hebrew: nephesh. So it seems that physical life and a living soul (person) are the same thing.
Enoch2 2 years ago
if god does everything, whats the point of living? honestly. To be a tool.
davidortiz7 2 years ago
God doesnt do everything, but he can if he wanted. Truly there are some things he controls, but not everything.
What we do are by our own desires , although some people can be influenced by god and the holy spirit.
The316Factor 2 years ago
So when a baby is born with defects god was tired or drunk while knitting? So when a child is stillborn god decided to cancel that particular project? This guy has every right to believe that kind of shit but, his views on abortion are fucked up.
katvilani 2 years ago
"The knitter is God."
What place does that statement have in American politics?
Our reproductive systems make babies, that's science.
God this, God that, it's fine to believe. But why should your viewpoints be forced on Atheists in the political system?
SaraAsIs 2 years ago
Indeed reliable.
Why should your viewpoints be forced on believers?
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
Well, they aren't. Christians are the ones who try to "missionize" non-believers, not the other way around. That's obvious since I have to push my way through a pack of violent pro-lifers outside an abortion clinic and can't marry my lesbian life partner in the great state of Texas.
SaraAsIs 2 years ago
What are you talking about? You're the ones who are attempting to change the laws and recruit everyone into your way of thinking.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
Since when are equal rights and freedom from violence an atheist way of thinking?
SaraAsIs 2 years ago
Freedom from violence yes, however marriage is clearly between a man and a woman, nor should people be allowed to murder children.
If you want to oppose this fine, but at least be honest that you're attempting to change things and propagate your own ideologies. I recognize that's what I'm doing.
Furthermore, you can't say "don't push your morals on me" because that is a moral command being made by yourself.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
Abortion = Freedom to choose. The christophiles can shove it where the sun don't shine.
inspectorgadget0011 2 years ago
Yes the freedom to choose to murder a child.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
To FillTheirVoid
A clump of cells is not the same as a child.
inspectorgadget0011 2 years ago
Actually it is more than a clump of cells, it even appears to have human likeness. Furthermore, I could say that you are a clump of cells. God determines what it is, and according to the scriptures it is called a child.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
Who says its more than a clump of cells? Any scientific proof to back this up? Please don't go all christo on me, the scriptures do not count as proof as the scripture is mainly a document complied by humans and not God.
inspectorgadget0011 2 years ago
God declares so in the scriptures, who is the only one qualified to make that sort of a determination.
The word fetus comes from latin meaning little one, they appear to have the likeness of a child, they dream, they are alive, they respond to stimulus. They will develop into a human being unless they are murdered.
It's pretty obvious really.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
Which scriptures the bilble? Who wrote the bible - God or humans? How do you know who wrote it - you were not there?
You cannot have a discussion with me while bringing up scriptures - as they do not represnt anything of meaning to me - I believe they were a fabrication.
inspectorgadget0011 2 years ago
Men wrote the bible from inspiration from God, this is clearly demonstrated by the writings themselves. There is also the issue of prophecy, the validity of it's judgment regarding the character of mankind and the world around us. Not to mention the testimony of Jesus Christ regarding them.
I will always bring up the scriptures, they are the only reliable source of information regarding topics such as this.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
I too can write a book and call it say 'The Zizle' and write in the book that I was inspired by 'God'. My point is how can you be so certain of its authenticity? You may well be right - but how can you be so sure.
inspectorgadget0011 2 years ago
Yes you could but after reading the book and comparing it with reality I would probably be able to determine it's validity.
I can be certain as to the scripture's authenticity because of things such as fulfilled prophecy, the testimony of nature, the Holy Spirit, archeology, it's accuracy regarding the character of mankind and the state of the world. It's work in reality in my life and the lives of others.
There are innumerable reasons, really.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
Regarding fulfilled prophecies - this is mainly a matter of interpretation. The testimony of nature - Bible say that the world is 6000 yrs old, carbon dating tells us the world is much much older.
Also can I physically touch or see or hear the Holy Spirit?
inspectorgadget0011 2 years ago
Prophecy does need to be interpreted but it's usually pretty clear regarding it's accuracy. The bible never says such a thing, and carbon dating presumes a constant rate of decay. No the Holy Spirit is spirit, it witnesses with our spirit ... not audibly or physically.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
reliable??
SaraAsIs 2 years ago
And I am not a clump of cells, I am an organism made up of organ systems, consisting of organs, which are made up of cells. An embryo is merely two cells - a sperm and an egg.The first few weeks it is nothing more than that.
inspectorgadget0011 2 years ago
So you're a sack of organs? Wow, I should show you the highest respect.
I'm not necessarily speaking about an embryo, although that itself is certainly a human child in development.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
I do not understand what you mean by 'So you're a sack of organs? Wow, I should show you the highest respect.' But yee on a physical level you and I are essentially made up of organs. Don't tell me you deny this?
inspectorgadget0011 2 years ago
On a physical level yes, but that's not what we are and it doesn't determine our worth. God does that, and we are made in the image of God. That's why you deserve respect and to be treated with dignity, not simply like an object.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
On a socila level you are an individual and therefore deserve respect and to be treated with dignity. But on a physical level you're a sack of organs as you put it, however this fact does not determine you're worth.
inspectorgadget0011 2 years ago
I'm sorry that simply doesn't stand up to logic or reason. That would be placing value on something which does not possess any within itself. The social status of something should be derived from what it is, not the other way around. If your ideology was correct any society could determine the worth and dignity deserving of a sack of organs to be nothing less than enslavement.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
@FillTheirVoid ''according to the scriptures'' There you go, your argument is irrelevant.
Reasonwillwin 9 months ago
@Reasonwillwin
Perhaps according to your personal determination, but that is what is truly irrelevant ... isn't it? Rather, we seek the supreme Creator's opinion in these matters ... not yours.
FillTheirVoid 9 months ago
@FillTheirVoid There is no supreme creator, that's why you CAN'T seek his ipinion so you have to resort to find it in a 2000 years old book written by uneducated villagers.
Reasonwillwin 9 months ago
@Reasonwillwin
Now you're asserting an absolute negative without the prerequisite of exhaustive knowledge. You need to get an education. We seek for His opinion within the special revelation of the scriptures. Furthermore, the age of the material has no effect upon it's veracity.
How much fallacious reasoning can you squeeze into a single paragraph?
FillTheirVoid 9 months ago
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@FillTheirVoid ''Furthermore, the age of the material has no effect upon it's veracity.'' The source of the bible is also a big problem, but since the age of the material doesn't matter why not ask Zeus what he thinks of abortion? '' You need to get an education.'' I got a really good education thank you. There is no god, no allah, no zeus, no ganesh and so on, they are myths and completly irrelevant on subjects such as abortion.
Reasonwillwin 9 months ago
Lord God, please grant me the grace to be as passionate for You as John Piper is passionate for You, in Jesus name I pray!
thelinuswannabe 2 years ago
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thelinuswannabe 2 years ago
I have made a video called "Suppression of truth in unrighteousness which reveals how unrighteous and ungodly men suppress truth. I hope someone is blessed by it. God bless you
headachehealer 2 years ago
i cried laughing from 1:55 to about 2:20
reminded me of Dana Carvey's turtle man acting hahah
sentientist 2 years ago
i understand the argument against abortion
but doesn't that same argument apply to non-human animals??? A pig has a higher mental status and is self aware
sentientist 2 years ago
A pig is self aware? Where did you get that info?
XXXFirebird76XXX 2 years ago
Self awareness is shown by many behavioral patterns in animals; some of which are: status, pride, self esteem, territoriality, self punishment, self love, supremacy, and submission.
Lets take supremacy: supremacy can not exist without self awareness, if you are not aware of yourself, how can you be able to understand how great you are or how small you are.
FootballDawg 2 years ago
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As another example, lets take territoriality: to own property you need to be aware of your self in order to understand the ownership of your property. If you where not self aware you would not have the need to own any property, for you will not be aware of your own needs.
FootballDawg 2 years ago
The most dangerous place to be on earth today is the mother's womb
galatian5 2 years ago
ABORTION is a Silent Holocaust.....
its so sad...
our PARENTS chose LIFE for us....
Slaught1004 2 years ago 10
@Slaught1004 WHEN I WAS 20 .MY FUTURE INLAWS ABORTED OUR FIRST CHILD I HAD NO SAY IN THIS .I WAS AT WORK.WHEN I TELL THEM THEY WERE WRONG THEY BRUSH ME ASIDE.MY WIFE AND WERE HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEARTS IM BLESSED WITH GRANDCHILDREN THANK YOU LORD
tarryarah 1 year ago
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@Slaught1004 WHEN I WAS 20 .MY FUTURE INLAWS ABORTED OUR FIRST CHILD I HAD NO SAY IN THIS .I WAS AT WORK.WHEN I TELL THEM THEY WERE WRONG THEY BRUSH ME ASIDE.MY WIFE AND WERE HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEARTS IM BLESSED WITH GRANDCHILDREN THANK YOU LORD
tarryarah 1 year ago
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The greatest baby killer of all time,
by a very wide margin,
is the god of the christians!
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Thank you for sharing this! God bless!
cindeemorgan 2 years ago
Love you, Mr. Piper. God bless you!
fruitofspirit 3 years ago
Abortion is WRONG!!!!!!!
hockeygoon79 3 years ago 8
The analogy at 6:00, wow.
SalvationEternity777 3 years ago
Lets pray the pro-life cause dose win!
In Jesus amen.
Patternpop 3 years ago 3
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by the way I dont know who is khalilravana or alicean66
but I know who is sonobeato, the same mentally retarded FOOL!
maryshybossy 3 years ago
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maryshybossy 3 years ago
why does the bible permit slavery in the old testiment? ..that's such a confusing thing to me. :<
4218424 3 years ago
(421842) read exodus 21:16.... the people who captured people and sold them as slaves were to be put to death... slavery back then is not what you are thinking when a man could not provide for his family he would sell them as slaves where they would be fed and given a place to live in exchange for them working it is not like the african american slavery you are thinking of.
God Bless
ChristLovesEvenMe 3 years ago
God does not prevent abortions for the same it does not heal amputees.
TAKENnameARGH 3 years ago
Fetus is not a human being?
Yes, and he is INNOCENT,
and you are a killer of human beings!
ManuelArnaldos 3 years ago
maryshybossy = khalilravana = aliceann76 = garciafogeda = elisabethmcman = manuelarnaldos
one same retarded troll !
SonoBeato 3 years ago
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aliceann76, I agree totally with you.
ABORTION:
-is an ILLEGAL
-HOMICIDE
-of INNOCENT BABIES
-by KILLERS and CRAZY people
God bless you
elizabethmcnam 3 years ago
ABORTION:
-Is an ILEGAL
-HOMICIDE
-of INNOCENT BABIES
-by CRAZY and MURDERER people
God bless you
aliceann76 3 years ago
man love rules okay
bigcowp 3 years ago
Abortion is GOD'S will. If u don't think GOD is in control of every area of our lives, you obviously don't believe in him at all.
Licmycat 3 years ago
Not everything we do is God's will. We're sinful. Do you think it's God's will that we sin? If I killed my brother, do you think that I'm doing God's will?
unklaur 3 years ago
Did not GOD make Satan?
Licmycat 3 years ago
Yes, he did. God created Satan as a holy angel, but Satan rebelled.
unklaur 3 years ago
Then tell me, why did GOD create the devil and allow evil in the world?
Licmycat 3 years ago
the devil was orgionally create as a holy angel, he fell by his own will, adam and eve fell by there own will, but there was a great purpose behind it all. God allowed it so he could demonstrate himself before mankind and all the heavenly host, to give a DEMONSTRATION of himself before all creation. His love, his mercy, his grace, his soverignty, his justice, his power, his angry, his wrath.
fishboi87 3 years ago
Exactly. It's all about free will which is also known as "The Priesthood of the Believer", and in our Constitution as "Feedom of Conscience." The main thing is, we disagree with when a fetus receives a soul and I don't have to take your word for it as I have a personal relationship with GOD and you have no right, moral or civil in which you can legally interfere with my privacy rights and personal choices. It's sheer arrogance to believe otherwise.
Licmycat 3 years ago
"as I have a personal relationship with GOD and you have no right, moral or civil in which you can legally interfere with my privacy rights and personal choices. It's sheer arrogance to believe otherwise."
I can tell your conscience has already been seared with a hot iron. If you ARE a child of God your concience should bear witness in the holy spirit that abortion is SIN anyway you put it. Having christian freedom is not a license to sin.
fishboi87 3 years ago
So by acknowledging evil in the world then their must be an absolute standard of good. HMM! Suffering is a cause of Man's sin. Man has not taken proper care of what they have been given (earth) and "raped" the soil (did not give it time to regenerate). Therefore it caused many people to go hungry because it could not produce enough food. Things like that also happen to make people turn to God for their answers. God doesn't do that so they will suffer!
tsnm8888 3 years ago
Suffering is NOT the cause of sin. Disobedience is. Also craving and jealousy.
Licmycat 3 years ago
Redundant. Abortion isn't about God because there is no such entity as a God as you see it. God allowed 70 million people to starve to death during the 1970s in China. If God exists, he enjoys the suffering of his creation.
hoxymoron 3 years ago
70 million people in China starved because a government decided life was cheap and disposable in order to make great leaps forward in industrialization. The removal of the sanctity of life of which is a central theme of abortion was the issue there.
EasyEs 3 years ago
Communists don't believe in GOD. And, when u are as overpopulated like China life becomes cheap. What do u think will happen here if we keep allowing overpopulation?
Licmycat 3 years ago
The Chinese didn't starve because of over population but because of insane and retarded agricultural and economic policies. The reason the Chinese had such large families was because they needed them to work farms in order to survive.
EasyEs 3 years ago 2
So? They control the population now. Not by personal choice but by decree.
Licmycat 3 years ago
Christianity does not make the claim that it is God's job to make sure that nothing bad ever happens, nor that it is his goal to make our lives here on earth long and pleasurable. Rather the fact that horrible things do happen is an indication of how much we and the world need God.
permanentlydeleted 3 years ago
Exactly!
Licmycat 3 years ago
"Rather the fact that horrible things do happen is an indication of how much we and the world need God."
AMEN!
fishboi87 3 years ago
Most chinese are communist. They don't believe in GOD. GOD doesn't help those who do not believe and obey. By his word which is law he cannot and still remain GOD. EVERYTHING in life is about GOD or u don't believe in him at all.
Licmycat 3 years ago
As always Pastor john is clear and Biblical and gracious. Many thanks for posting this.
Newtonstewart 3 years ago 5
If God is the creator of all and knows everything- then wouldn't God have known that the man who got shot "accidentally" by his hunting buddy wasn't a bear but was actually a person? Didn't God just use the hunting buddy to "accidentally" shoot the man- then punish the hunting buddy and make him feel guilty for the rest of his life? Just because we as humans- don't really have any idea of what is going on- doesn't mean that God doesn't- or that he doesn't set us up to fall.
Carex09 3 years ago
God doesn't make mistakes.
But, people have to live with what God does.
God makes people who get into car accidents. We make EMT's and hospitals to help them.
God makes cancer and AIDS. We try our best to cure or at least alleviate sufferring.
God makes situations such as rape and incest or not caring about oneself or others. We try to have options for people who have been victims in any case- whether it is because "they" supposedly screwed up, or it was just an "accident".
Carex09 3 years ago
we live in a fallen world. We sin. God gave us the choice of making our own decisions. He gave us free will.
bernadineborden 3 years ago
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Abortion is an issue only because our society has abandoned Gods Word. God would rather nip this problem in the bud before the child is even born. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 says if a husband marries a girl and finds her not to be a virgin, then she is to be stoned to death. Notice the girl is to be killed without a concern of whether she might be pregnant. God doesnt want that selfish man stuck raising a baby which wasnt his! God's solution to the problem is to kill both the girl and the baby.
missionarysarahbarry 3 years ago
the contrary, most people think they are good. Ask the average joe on the street if he thinks he is good he will say 'yes', when quized on his faults he will admit he has done some stuff wrong but is generally 'a pretty good guy'.
Revinius 3 years ago
1 thing is that he has never need to have an abortion so he would not know how it feels give up a child do you honestly think chicks like having them NO but some of them need to
andythewraith 3 years ago
name one situation that anyone needs an abortion?
Revinius 3 years ago
let me se when a 13 year old is raped & get pregentent or a women of any age.Girls have the right to have an abortion
andythewraith 3 years ago
but if all babies are a gift of God....
Revinius 3 years ago
bear in mind also that pastors are the guys that are out there counciling the rape and molestation victims, it's a big call to say that we don't know what's going down...
Revinius 3 years ago
you can't know the full exstent of it unless
you have been though it yourself & god fuck god what kind of deity rights a 1000 or so page book how to live you life & tells us were free to do whateve & it is not gods right to say what is right or wrong
andythewraith 3 years ago
we are free to do whatever, if you choose to do your own thing and not follow the God that made you that is up to you. But equally if you choose to honour that God who deserves respect then you follow what he says. That is the principle most of the western world live under, the right to vote as to your conscience.
Also, when you have spoken with hundreds of young women about how their dad or bf raped them you tend to get a pretty decent perspective on the evil in this world
Revinius 3 years ago
i dont think that anyone will disagree that most people are Evil or just dont care about anyone else but themselfs
andythewraith 3 years ago
also: those that believe in a God (but arent christian) often believe that because God thinks they are a 'pretty good guy' that they will go to heaven.
Revinius 3 years ago
well that is weird what if some one thought that & god(if he is real no offence)didnt like them at all but then again god loves
eveyone plz in futrue message me on my account it would be pritty weird if 2/3 of the transhript was our little talks