I like a PS3 and XBox the same...But what really disturbes me is the fan of the XBox. Is your fan only on the case of the xbox and blows in/out air? Or is there any special connection to anything in the Box?
Srry man but thts just making it hoter because theres another meachine on it generatiing heat try raising it on something with holes in it and setting a small fan next to it on low or medium
older xbox's make a lot more noise then newer ones (last 2 years) when i bought my new xbox i was amazed at how quiet it was, vs my old one (3-4 years old) made much more noise.
the gpu heatsink is covered by the dvd player and the cpu heatsink is covered by the fan ducts. No doubt this guy's invention helps keep it cooler. The xbox fans only spin as fast as they have to, which is usually full speed. :)
Very sweet custom job on your Modd Xbox360. I wish I knew how to customize shit like that. Awesome and thanks for sharing. You could profit from making something like that for people's Xbox360. People would pay top Dollar.Peace!
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ok that definitley wasn't the 360 making that noise idk what you did but you're fucking full of shit way to make all the faggot ass ps3 fanboys jizz in there pants. THIS IS FAKE YOU FUCKING GODDAMN PS3 LOVING PIECES OF STUPID SHIT, NOW GO GET A KLEENEX AND WIPE UP!!!!!
hell yeah it is, it'll fuck your shit up idiot. something blowing in air to where the hot air comes out keeps the air inside which means overheating bizzach.
alright i c i c so since the ts does that what would u recommend to others out there modding there xbox's, what kind of fan or what not should they get to keep it cool ?
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poor xbots and there ongoing cooling struggle.why not just install a butcher shop size meat locker and make it your game room?poor xbots...typed this comment on my ps3...i love it!!
good job on the modding but like this person said below "there goes ur warranty lol" why dont u just buy the intercooler ts and just mod how the xbox looks in general seems alot easier heh lol
damn !! the old standard fans are like friggin vacuum cleaner ... just without the power to suck air .... but it does suck otherwise . that's a pretty neat mod you pulled off there . nice job .
Whoever said that it was loud is obviously a fucking retard. The loud part was when he switched the switch in the back to turn on the default fan, COMPARING the 2! HINTS THE TITTLE.
isnt that fan shit expensive? looks like a waste of money to me, that fan isnt really gonna do much sitting on top of the 360 unless the case was open
1. u should stand ur 360 upright ur blocking 50% of its fans 2. the motherboard is on the otherside of the xbox so ur not cooling it as good 3. its way to loud 4.thats the most badass xbox i ever saw =)
There's only two fans in the back of the 360 so it doesn't matter if you have it upright or laying down as far as blockage of fans go. By putting it upright you're actually blocking the bottom grill of the 360 which provides way better airflow than the few holes on the motherboard side. Also, he's cooling the heat sinks so had he put the fan on the other side it'd overheat pretty fast since there'd just be air cooling a bunch of PCB and a few memory chips.
this is Microsoft in a nutshell. if you want their shit to work, you'll have to split it apart, install all sorts of things to it, and use a lot of time on it.
they should stop sending products on the market, that isn't done yet.
este xbox es una kaka ya q es la version vieja i no tiene actualidad ni cn algun chip chafa para lerr los juegos nuevos de aurita si devo decir q esta chingon tu ventilador ja pero ay unos de doble i no necesita estar tan pesado
The Point Is You Shouldnt Have Too Make Your Own Changes To The XBox Microsoft Should At Least Offer Something More Than 1 Month xbox Live When You Have To Send It To Germany Because Of A Fault On there Behalf, At The End Of The Day We Buy There Console's PAY FOR XBOX LIVE Then It Goes And Breaks!!!!
dude i thought gameing was 2 enjoy the games 2 play and not 2 worry about RROD errors nd stuff.......... i still tink xbox is better den ps3... because of the avatars and stuff like that ... but then again iv never play a ps3 4 a over 20 min..
YOU DONT NEED THAT SHIT THE XBOX NEED TO BE 110-140-F LAY YOUR XBOX FLAT AND YOU WILL NOT GET THE RROD I HAVE 2 360 ON FOR 13hrs A DAY 1 IS 3years old and 1 is 4years old you dont need that shit
Ive seen alot of modded 360 compoments etc etc but by far this is one of the best. Did you just add the fan and a fancontroller? Is that a 120mm fan? Very nice my friend =)
and its still loud just get a ps3 and no more MY XBOX IS GOING TO OVER HEAT its easer trust me the thing is silent even if your an inch away trust me sell that thing for a ps3
lol people are so stupid stop buying huge exspensive shit put it on your desk not carpet give room around it and dont play nonstop and you dont have to worry.... or buy a 3 dollar fan
think about it that way: the xbox 360 got overheating problems, and the PS3 don't got overheating problems, one way to make the xbox 360 not to overheat is to do what this guy did, the second way to make it not to overheat is by modifying the xbox 360 case, (or changing it to the xbox 360 elite case which have better cooling system).
but still the Wii is cheap because almost no one buy it so they wan people to buy it... and the PS3&XBOX360 are almost the same, just with different issues...
Well yea, there's that. Did you see the original post I was replying to? The guy said "But still the Wii is cheap because almost no one buy it so they wan people to buy it... and the PS3&XBOX360 are almost the same, just with different issues..."
That's why I had to point out that the Wii was outselling both the 360 and the PS3 pants down.
I like a PS3 and XBox the same...But what really disturbes me is the fan of the XBox. Is your fan only on the case of the xbox and blows in/out air? Or is there any special connection to anything in the Box?
(sorry, I'm not so into modding)
quintz01 2 years ago
i wouldent put the fan on their, all it dose is push the heat back into the xbox. this fan will fuck your xbox up.
linkinpark0995 2 years ago
your retarded. the fan makes it so it doesnt over heat. if you dont mod your xbox then dont talk you retard.
Un70uch4bl3BMW 2 years ago
make the ROL blue
powxpurplexx 2 years ago
good mod
drackodragos 2 years ago
It would be sick if someone put a small strobe light in there.
JizzPk3r 2 years ago
THIS IS TO PPL POSTING SHIT ABOUT HOW 360 IS GAY:
you can even mod ps3s wich makes them boring looking and plain,
xbox360 is the most common freeking system i see them on tv all the time!
i even saw some guy playing halo 3 in the backround of some tv show. SO HOW BOUT THROW AWAY YOUR PS3 BECAUSE THEY COPY XBOX LFLIPRIZLA!
2dittoz 2 years ago
what do u buy for it
soooooophieee 2 years ago
looks really nice man good job , are you going to make more Unique stuff for your xbox or leave it like that?
BlackWolf520 2 years ago
dude sick. have you put blue leds in it ? it would be even better
5959hierachy 2 years ago
That's pretty sexy.
BChomemovies 2 years ago
where would u get this?
TimeForSlaying 2 years ago
IFlipRizla now one wants to get a PS3 xbox 360 has less stuff than the PS3 and it is still more popular to tell u the truth i dont care about blueray
adrian54444 2 years ago
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As well as a massive external battery pack youve made the xbox even worse with an external cooling system.. HOW ABOUT BUY A PS3
IFlipRizla 2 years ago
PS3 ftw
TomatoWithARifle 2 years ago
if you like your ps3 dont watch these videos then to talk about yor ps3 this is for people who like 360
TheNikeairforce1s 2 years ago
this is genius.... i swear u should start selling this stuff. i guarantee you will become a millionaire overnight!!!!
l0n3w0lf3211 2 years ago
u gotta patent that man
defergerth 2 years ago
how you did that
thehbkboy 2 years ago
where did you get that cooler?
quartermilecamel 2 years ago
Read description.
Six2wo 2 years ago
Thats f**kin home made read the description
Firefox1095 2 years ago
I would just like to know where he got that cooler
quartermilecamel 2 years ago
he made it dipshit
frito07grad 2 years ago
i like xbox but i whish all my friends had ps3
mizzystina 2 years ago
i have those it gives you the red rings faster because its using your xbox power plug and your fans begin to fail in about 2 months
iJJRemmeSODMG 2 years ago
its cool.................but does it work?
dialga09 2 years ago
like the faceplate :D
grandtheftauto1233 2 years ago
I'm sorry but the 360 should be made so that people don't have to do this crap to it.
iceborn999 2 years ago 2
Srry man but thts just making it hoter because theres another meachine on it generatiing heat try raising it on something with holes in it and setting a small fan next to it on low or medium
Larsok10 2 years ago
why is your xbox so loud without the silencer mine makes like zero noise without one
CriticalBlo 2 years ago
older xbox's make a lot more noise then newer ones (last 2 years) when i bought my new xbox i was amazed at how quiet it was, vs my old one (3-4 years old) made much more noise.
DCSnipers 2 years ago
is tha a turbo or sufin hshhahahaha
Marinejoey1 2 years ago
the gpu heatsink is covered by the dvd player and the cpu heatsink is covered by the fan ducts. No doubt this guy's invention helps keep it cooler. The xbox fans only spin as fast as they have to, which is usually full speed. :)
ogilvieam 2 years ago
too bad the hot parts on the other side/bottom...lol
ogilvieam 2 years ago
That is where the hot parts are, that is right above the heatsinks for both chips.
uberstupidmove 2 years ago
no their not
hes facing directly onto the heatsinks which is perfect
Dueforday 2 years ago
how the hell...good job man that must be the best thing for it
MrPerfectHour 2 years ago
lol no xbox 360 does.. only ps3
ajscorpion3 2 years ago
@ajscorpion3 your an idiot
xld3000 2 years ago
Noob ps3 stol it from xbox 360
PrepaidRobin 2 years ago
it looks like a bose sound system
krakrs 2 years ago 3
where did you get that faceplate?!?!
kcard707 2 years ago
Thats the normal one.
anakingijs 2 years ago
They might not have been cut out.
XboxENews 2 years ago
nice job u got a fan control in back for reg fan as well?
psi915 2 years ago
Faceplate?
DoxiMoxi 2 years ago
sheck my xbox360 mod your mod had a lot of influnce in my mod
Nvidiamaster123 2 years ago
i pissed on a 360 annd it still didnt cool enough and broke down
grandtheftauto1233 2 years ago
lol...it must smell like urine now.
xy274 2 years ago 4
lmfao
grandtheftauto1233 2 years ago
Nice mod... cooling isnt the thing i would mod on mine but w.e
Devon1251903 2 years ago
Very sweet custom job on your Modd Xbox360. I wish I knew how to customize shit like that. Awesome and thanks for sharing. You could profit from making something like that for people's Xbox360. People would pay top Dollar.Peace!
ChuckEssential 2 years ago
only problem you have left to solve is the capacitors going on the Graphics card... mine went the other day, i miss my xbox T_T
hobbitkiller01 2 years ago
you could give microsoft a hand
cjpalmi8 2 years ago
did u shave the front?
407Floridaboi407 2 years ago
What happened to the memory cards slot?
NinjaDKDavid 2 years ago
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ok that definitley wasn't the 360 making that noise idk what you did but you're fucking full of shit way to make all the faggot ass ps3 fanboys jizz in there pants. THIS IS FAKE YOU FUCKING GODDAMN PS3 LOVING PIECES OF STUPID SHIT, NOW GO GET A KLEENEX AND WIPE UP!!!!!
cmmain34 2 years ago
u retard he was showing u how it sounds without his cooler, and its louder wit his coolers it more silent u idoit
RequiemOfAlex 2 years ago
I usually dont get bothered by how much sound it makes unless I think about it
reaperkiller117 2 years ago 4
the 360 sounds like a fucking train, love my PS3 :)
DeathAdder83 2 years ago
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just get a fucking nyko intercooler ex. its fucking great
MylesHSG 2 years ago
the nyko intercoolers suck, they dont work and add more noise, i threw mine away
PitchDarkShadow 2 years ago
hell yeah it is, it'll fuck your shit up idiot. something blowing in air to where the hot air comes out keeps the air inside which means overheating bizzach.
shadowdragon555 2 years ago
Uhm..I think your fan drains too much power cause I see your Xbox Ring on the console flicker.
MonkeySharingan 2 years ago
Maybe. It could be the camera too.
Josama1515 2 years ago
alright i c i c so since the ts does that what would u recommend to others out there modding there xbox's, what kind of fan or what not should they get to keep it cool ?
Delano876 2 years ago
how the...? i wanna that too! how you make it?
DownWatch 2 years ago
hmm maybe you should mass produce those thing and do a copy right thing lol
KR7OX 2 years ago
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poor xbots and there ongoing cooling struggle.why not just install a butcher shop size meat locker and make it your game room?poor xbots...typed this comment on my ps3...i love it!!
1966MRspock 2 years ago
good job on the modding but like this person said below "there goes ur warranty lol" why dont u just buy the intercooler ts and just mod how the xbox looks in general seems alot easier heh lol
Delano876 2 years ago
those intercoolers that hook via usb to the 360 are proved to be more an issue than a solution
NewbtasticGaming 2 years ago
the ts voids ur warrinty becasue they catch on fire and break xboxs
ps3scott 2 years ago
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LOL XBOX SUCKS ASS get some money and buy a kick ass gaming rig computor
mikenike40 2 years ago
there goes ur warranty u dipshit
sinick20 2 years ago
my fan i bought at a store i think it gave me red ring of deth
pimpmychimp12345 2 years ago
did you use cardboard to cover the fan and the display
Nvidiamaster123 2 years ago
no dust filter? its sucking air in O_o
2007FORLife 2 years ago
i wish they did sell those. its dead neat unlike other home made mods great job!
MrMbiking135 2 years ago
i dont think u will be getting red rings any time soon =)
boombox15talay 2 years ago
damn !! the old standard fans are like friggin vacuum cleaner ... just without the power to suck air .... but it does suck otherwise . that's a pretty neat mod you pulled off there . nice job .
Hikayuhuy 2 years ago
wow sweet how you do that and seeing how the thing turned on with the xbox I would run mine of a diffrent power supply
omega1919191919 2 years ago
its seems not real by the time you stop the fan its already been making noise..
MikeyLOVESkateboard 2 years ago
Whoever said that it was loud is obviously a fucking retard. The loud part was when he switched the switch in the back to turn on the default fan, COMPARING the 2! HINTS THE TITTLE.
joebot10 2 years ago 2
Badass BTW
joebot10 2 years ago
isnt that fan shit expensive? looks like a waste of money to me, that fan isnt really gonna do much sitting on top of the 360 unless the case was open
kavy760 2 years ago
he made a hole in the x box case so it would breath
worksuxs 2 years ago
it has a pretty much huge vent in the back, it'll be fine.
shadowdragon555 2 years ago
1. u should stand ur 360 upright ur blocking 50% of its fans 2. the motherboard is on the otherside of the xbox so ur not cooling it as good 3. its way to loud 4.thats the most badass xbox i ever saw =)
golfisgreat123 2 years ago
There's only two fans in the back of the 360 so it doesn't matter if you have it upright or laying down as far as blockage of fans go. By putting it upright you're actually blocking the bottom grill of the 360 which provides way better airflow than the few holes on the motherboard side. Also, he's cooling the heat sinks so had he put the fan on the other side it'd overheat pretty fast since there'd just be air cooling a bunch of PCB and a few memory chips.
McKack 2 years ago
freakin sick!!!!!!!!!
latinsmooth3050 2 years ago
just asking after u did the mod u still corrected to xbox live ?????? just asking because xbox live dont want u to mod the xbox ??
minirosey 2 years ago
i got one with a witch on the back that turn the mod on and off
hitmanlee 2 years ago
this is Microsoft in a nutshell. if you want their shit to work, you'll have to split it apart, install all sorts of things to it, and use a lot of time on it.
they should stop sending products on the market, that isn't done yet.
bajer111 2 years ago
thats not even an xbox does not have usb ports or memory card port's or even the wireless controller pickup signal thing
littledude4eva 2 years ago
you shut put a video of the made of your sistem pal! greetings! thalegone.
thalegone 2 years ago
Damn! That shit looks ghetto as hell!
I like it/
Come1And1Get1Me 2 years ago
wow, thats cool (no pun intended) no chance of overheating or that annoying noise. great idea
CarbonDragonX 2 years ago
Its a fake xbox 360.......
IsMyBarre1C1ean 2 years ago
fake? NO WOW can't believe you just said that!
Read the description!
aweSomeNessTutorials 2 years ago
what happened to the memory units slots??
kamatsu1 2 years ago 2
does anyone realy use those things.. ive had 3 xboxs and never needed them.. why do you think they designed the external HDDs..
ARoundCube 2 years ago
a new face plate?
CarbonDragonX 2 years ago
este xbox es una kaka ya q es la version vieja i no tiene actualidad ni cn algun chip chafa para lerr los juegos nuevos de aurita si devo decir q esta chingon tu ventilador ja pero ay unos de doble i no necesita estar tan pesado
luigiii13 2 years ago
Self powered or powered through the 360?
jtmarsh82 2 years ago
me too dude!
dashboardforfire 2 years ago
The Point Is You Shouldnt Have Too Make Your Own Changes To The XBox Microsoft Should At Least Offer Something More Than 1 Month xbox Live When You Have To Send It To Germany Because Of A Fault On there Behalf, At The End Of The Day We Buy There Console's PAY FOR XBOX LIVE Then It Goes And Breaks!!!!
CarlBlackhurst09 2 years ago 2
woooow¡¡¡
XxviciaoxX 2 years ago
It looks like the front of the xbox has a white mole (the sync button) lol
suprememonkeyman 2 years ago
este si mod si esta perron
arbitrerchief 2 years ago
How come ur xbox 360 doesn't have any USB ports and IR sensors and memory slot?? lol
deptic2111 2 years ago 9
he probly put a face plate on to cover em...which is kind ov gay
Grapezz1 2 years ago 2
cuz hsi xbox is cool like that.
he probably used fiberglass or bondo and filled it up, sand and paint it white. pretty good job. i acually like the xbox liek this.
lilcrzytimmy 2 years ago
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wtf?
your right
..................... :)
michieichmann 2 years ago
It Does have the usb ports He Just modded the Faceplate of the console to make it look better...
transformer809 2 years ago
dude i thought gameing was 2 enjoy the games 2 play and not 2 worry about RROD errors nd stuff.......... i still tink xbox is better den ps3... because of the avatars and stuff like that ... but then again iv never play a ps3 4 a over 20 min..
mooncoinboy 2 years ago
is it running on external power or internal
PharaohII 2 years ago
Internal
Baraquiel62 2 years ago
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just buy a ps3 and you dont get any shitty fan and overheating problems
nickycuomo 2 years ago
can you make me one and ill buy it :)
brickofman 2 years ago 4
were are the usb ports and 2 inputs for memory!
pimpinpenz 2 years ago 3
where are thet usb ports??
CommissarAlfie 2 years ago 4
What has gaming become...
Ketsui 2 years ago 5
slap your self fa sayin that lol
GT30R1 2 years ago
eat my balls for replying to such an old comment
drzipperhead 2 years ago
Did u just say ulike to eat balls bahahahah old or new what u said what still dumb Ass fuck.lollol live with it and pansy lol
GT30R1 2 years ago
your a ricer faggot so your automatically a dumbass, watch as i run your peice of shit car over with my lifted truck.
drzipperhead 2 years ago
what is a ricer please tell me cause i dont know lol ololololol is it your mom
GT30R1 2 years ago
your the one saying sony is better which is not american.
BigManlyMan4 2 years ago
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im not a fucking american, thank god too cause america fucking sucks
drzipperhead 2 years ago
your from canada, america's hat/america jr.
TheFourOneZero 2 years ago
well then why are you calling someone a ricer faggot when you favor sony whch is an asian company.
BigManlyMan4 2 years ago
do u have any memory slots on your 360
bigcp500 2 years ago
bahahaahahah damn u lunchbox fanboy will try anything now days huh lol hahahahaha whats this the lunchbox 3000 lol hahahahahah
GT30R1 2 years ago 2
one question...wheres the usb and controller ports at yo?
UnkinglyLike 2 years ago 4
at the back
FrostyCougar 2 years ago
uuuurm its not the arcade its just a mod
BenY1995111 2 years ago
nice
can i just ask why ur xbox does not have any memory slots?
glennr94 2 years ago
maybe custom faceplate ?
l33tgam3r 2 years ago
it has no slots cuz its a custom faceplate..xbox is real tho
NukeTheSystem 2 years ago 2
Thats a NZXT controller. or a spin off of the model im thinking of.
pretty sweet man!.
ganymedeIV4 2 years ago
YOU DONT NEED THAT SHIT THE XBOX NEED TO BE 110-140-F LAY YOUR XBOX FLAT AND YOU WILL NOT GET THE RROD I HAVE 2 360 ON FOR 13hrs A DAY 1 IS 3years old and 1 is 4years old you dont need that shit
bigtrain747 2 years ago
no matter what you think people are not going to listen to you when you leave caps lock.
HONESTLY IS THIS ENJOYABLE TO READ? I DON'T THINK SO SO NEXT TIME YOU VISIT THE INTERNET.
Please use your inside voice.
coveringfire08 2 years ago 2
what kind of fan is that? good thinking man
tylan13chuck 2 years ago
Ive seen alot of modded 360 compoments etc etc but by far this is one of the best. Did you just add the fan and a fancontroller? Is that a 120mm fan? Very nice my friend =)
O1Chris02 2 years ago
hey man how do u mod ur xbox 360??n how moch u spend
moko91330 2 years ago
oooh So the cooling mod stops the fans inside and reroutes it to the mod fan?
Da864rD 2 years ago
its a xbox 360 arcade they dont have memory slots
xxxpanheadxxx 2 years ago
ya they do u fukin dumbass
VidalV69 2 years ago
mine does all i added was a 60gb hdd
367008 2 years ago
*facepalm* yes they do have memory slots you obviously havent seen one and its obvious thats a custom faceplate
ViolentBiscuits 2 years ago
Yes they do. I own an Xbox 360 Arcade and it has 2 memory card slots.
Nevins14 2 years ago
wtf where is the memory card hole??
Mapimaholland 2 years ago
its a modded faceplate so...evedently he didnt use them so he covered them up....
grenadelogan 2 years ago
now that is a nice piece of gaming equipment
arthur1412 2 years ago
oh right ...so pcs dont over heat or crash .....i think they do!!! pc fanboy
creepcube 2 years ago
lol u dont have any usb or memory card slots
DJDrumrolls 2 years ago
Those memory cards are overpriced anyways.
MeZmErIzEtheMiNd 2 years ago
and its still loud just get a ps3 and no more MY XBOX IS GOING TO OVER HEAT its easer trust me the thing is silent even if your an inch away trust me sell that thing for a ps3
TheBlackBox818 2 years ago
it doesnt overheat and if it does theres a more serious hardware issue cause the xbox is only using like 10% of its power
jdatabean 2 years ago
or just install your game onto your HDD and you dont need to worry about running your disc
DEWSH 2 years ago
Its loud because of the rear fans, not the just the disc drive.
MeZmErIzEtheMiNd 2 years ago
damn i wish i had that,my xbox makes so much noise especially when i play a game
xAmaZinKiiD 2 years ago
lol people are so stupid stop buying huge exspensive shit put it on your desk not carpet give room around it and dont play nonstop and you dont have to worry.... or buy a 3 dollar fan
chewablethunder 2 years ago 2
nice mod
chrisxx156 2 years ago
buy a computer, not that peice of shit
the5445 2 years ago
um u can buy tht its a tv progecter cooler and they r 100 dollars at radio shack
septpurple1 2 years ago
most bad ass xbox mod i have seen
dmonster18 2 years ago
faill needs a vent
bigranger16 2 years ago
think about it that way: the xbox 360 got overheating problems, and the PS3 don't got overheating problems, one way to make the xbox 360 not to overheat is to do what this guy did, the second way to make it not to overheat is by modifying the xbox 360 case, (or changing it to the xbox 360 elite case which have better cooling system).
but still the Wii is cheap because almost no one buy it so they wan people to buy it... and the PS3&XBOX360 are almost the same, just with different issues...
MinyBunny 2 years ago
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You realize that the Wii is the best selling console by far in this generation, right?
Just throwin that out there haha.
llamajuice 2 years ago
but it sucks so it doesnt matter
moewashere 2 years ago 3
Depends if you count the DS as a console or not..
H3rj0 2 years ago
Well yea, there's that. Did you see the original post I was replying to? The guy said "But still the Wii is cheap because almost no one buy it so they wan people to buy it... and the PS3&XBOX360 are almost the same, just with different issues..."
That's why I had to point out that the Wii was outselling both the 360 and the PS3 pants down.
llamajuice 2 years ago 2
I heard that there's a secret unlock code to make the graphics better and disable the arbitrary waggle commands. Can you guess what it is?
timestarvedcd 2 years ago