Worf and Kira smile, Nog shits himself, Garrack has a bit of a slap of his console, and ironically, Chief O'Brian has the blackest reaction ever. He just kinda sits back and looks like he's thinking "A'ight then...."
@AdisloKazdan i think it was brand awareness or marketability or some crap. no sovereigns except in voyager, no defiants except in ds9, no intrepids except voyager. they did break that a couple of times, like message in a bottle and the bellerophon, but for the most the hero ships of each series didn't switch. i think i would've loved seeing a defiant, intrepid, galaxy and sovereign all fighting together though!
im wondering if artillery ever made it to the 24th century.. the streamrunner class in armada 2 had this ability.. i wouldve sat at max range and pop off their platforms..
@bjornjoseph There's an episode of DS9 where Jake is on a planet with mortar shells exploding around him that pop off with all the explosive force of a firecracker. Not one of Star Trek's better moments ...
I Feel sorry for the crews aboard that Excelsior Class ship at 2:14 that got show up and the Akira Class ship at 2:53 Both those ships just got owned by more than one canon.
Let's see. The Bridge crew consists of a few humans, a Bajoran, a Klingon, a Cardassian, and a Ferengi. All they need is a Romulan and they'll have the full set.
Since the ships can move faster then light and the weapons are not faster then light and have limited tracking how else would you expect the ships to do battle?
@toomanyaccounts so they can't build a missiles with a warp drive?? They have no other way to project military power other than fighting like WW1 naval ships? LMAO. And battle lines aren't at all feasible in 3 dimensional space considering the distances needed to cover such a line. The Cardassian Fleet might as well be the Cardassian Maginot Fleet. But how else would they be able to show a CGI space battle if they didn't ignore common sense?
Such missiles could be targeted quite easily. Ah 3D dimensional space you still have to consider certain variables. Ships have different capabilities in warp drive. Plus they still have to consider travel time and navigational hazards. Sorry in 3D space you would have natural points that would be gathering places for fleets and battles.
PS, Kira was well-qualified from her previous combat experience,
Worf was more needed at his post than Kira was at hers,
They are in the middle of a battle. I think that counts as "extenuating circumstances"
Captain Sisko had asked her to command the Defiant on many earlier occasions (protocol or not) so she had a good track record with the Federation and Sisko,
I personally believe that it probably wasn't typical Starfleet protocol for a non-Starfleet officer to take command of the ship. As has been stated by others, the Defiant is commissioned by Starfleet and I doubt it's normal practice to let officers from other nations (even allies) to command.
That being said, I don't see Captain Sisko as a 100% by-the-book captain. In this situation, a leader was needed and they didn't have the luxury of calling up Starfleet and getting special permission.
If you noticed in the scenes where the ships are getting attack with one beam. Their shields are holding, but in the other scenes. When they are hit by multiple beams that's when the damage takes place. So in theory the shields are severally weaken after taking all those hits, and then collapses. This happens on Star Trek Online too, when you attack by 4 ships. Your shields, and hull take major damage. Look at it like this your being jump by 4 guys. Your still going to get hit, and hurt.
@gtobandit1 Jake asked to come along because he wanted to write about it. Originally Sisko said no, but Jake was pretty grown by this time and would have surely found another way to be there.
I remember the days when just one galaxy class starship ( or other large ship) being destroyed was shocking and unusual. For example, in 'the wounded', the Cardassian captain is appalled to see one of his warships destroyed. But now ships are just dropping like flies and nobody is that surprised. (i suppose it is a war but still)
@dmlol There are incidents in other ST shows where high-energy beams sliced through a starship's shields like they weren't there. TOS' "The Doomsday Machine" comes to mind. That was an "anti-proton beam." Maybe the Cardassians used some sort of high-power beam on these platforms....
Too bad the Enterprise D was destroyed, I'd realy like to see how well that ship would do in this war since Being the Enterprise it would do better than any other Galaxy class.
Wait a second. A member of the Bajoran Militia, Bajor not being a Federation member, serves as XO on what's possibly the most powerful (certainly the most lethal) ship in the Federation fleet?
@Dafeaz The Bajorans have jurisdiction of DS9. The Defiant is basically given to DS9 for the defense of the station and the wormhole. The Federation also recognizes the Bajorans military ranks. That is why Kira is the Number 2 of DS9 above all the other federation personel, and thus will be Number 2 when the command staff is on the Defiant.
How come, throughout the Dominion War, shields seem to mean nothing to any ship except the Defiant? Two shots to any Dominion ship or Federation vessel not named Defiant = BOOM.
@dcjlove Because the Defiant has the Power of Plot. The Power of Plot adds an additional 9001% to their weapon and shield power. The only thing to defeat the PoP is the Weapon of Scientific Impossibility which the Breen had.
@dcjlove Way I see it, it's just a conservation of detail. There's no point showing a single non-storyline ship getting hit 25 times until it blows up, it's cooler to show the ship being blown up from the last few hits. Ie, a ship in a battle would probably lose a lot of it's shields if it get targetted by multiple other ships, then it gets blown up.
(excuse my language) but is it just me or in DS9 is the Miranda Class Starfleet's bitch? As often as they get destroyed or disabled from even a glancing blow, I have never seen one destroy or even damage an enemy ship.
@ImperatorDominus - I too would much prefer to command the Defiant in battle. Far more maneuverable, and a far far smaller target for the enemy to hit.
@schwarzfalk They did not make huge leap, but they did learn something from Dominion. Platforms get their energy from ground-based source, so have much larger energy reserve than starships. Plus, weapons ranges in ST are im tens or hundreds of thousands of kilometers. Exchange of fire probably lasted longer than we see, and that is why Allied ships do not show shields. Real reason is too much ships on screen to make effect.
@LostMercenary99 It makes sense that the Miranda class would have a high attrition rate sense they are from Kirk's time. By the time the Dominion War takes place the Miranda class spaceframe is appox. a century old. They were probably kept in service because Starfleet didn't have enough Akira class ships to replace them.
@ajerific nx-01 look alot like the AKIRA class ships. basically their the same except for the nacelles are flipped upwards on the NX-01 and downwards on the akira class. also the photon torpedo launcher is on the bridge between the nacelles on the akira.
I´m always sad that the Romulans gettin their ass beatin in every star trek fight. The D"Deridex Warbird is my favourite Starship of all Sci Fi Series....thats a true Dreadnought. But in DS9 the always acting as large, helpless targets
@carnage2681 Understandable. The Galaxy class starship (same ship like the Enterprise-D) was beaten by only three jem'hadar fighters. Just because it was too big of a ship and too big to manouevre properly. The Galaxy was basicly useless in small battles. That's why they brought the Defiant class escort into the battle.
Btw: the SFX in this episode are just great. Finally some allied ships getting beaten up hard by those platforms. Together with the second battle at Chin'toka, this is my fav.
in TnG cardassians were no match for starfleet, and nowsuddenly they've made CENTURIES leap in weapons tech & they even seem to rival the borg (those orbital platforms are totally invulnerable & only borg cubes have shown that kinda ability)
@AtlanteanUtopia Actually, the Odyssey was beaten by 3 Jem'Hadar ships because at that time, Federation shields were extremely vulnerable against Dominion weapons. The Federation didn't develop an effective countermeasure against Dominion weapons until after Sisko recovered a downed Jem'Hadar ship in season 5. The Defiant could take on Jem'Hadar ships since it was heavily armored.
@carnage2681 The Warbird only looks huge and intimidating but there's a huge chunk of empty space in the middle of the ship. According the technical manuals, the actual mass of the Warbird is actually less than the Galaxy.
understand the reason their shields were apparently "non existant" is because in mobile fleet action, they divert a large portion of their energy to weapons and engines, allowing them to maneuver quickly and flank the enemy. they do have shields, but its quite limited and they focus more on killing the bad guy quickly. In many ST episodes, ships often fight against 1 or 2 combatants, so there's a greater emphasis on shields than anything else.
Good battle. But you have to admit, the graphics on the USS Valley Forge (the Excelsior-class ship at 2:19) could be better when the ship is destroyed.
did anyone notice an orbital platform get destroyed by one shot from the uss hood? how did this happen? i thought the platforms are able to withstand large amounts of damage?
For those who don't know, Sisko has a real crisis of fried chicken midway through this episode, and he has to go to his quarters because he has KFC withdrawl. Kira takes over and is OK though.
heh; started buffering at 1.56 for me, giving a very nice view of what i think is the USS Hood. much like its namesake it is quite beautiful for a fleet-ship.
I always wondered by Garak got to be on the Defiant in front of a control panel. Didnt realized Sisko thought the "tailor" would be so valuable in combat.
A warp signature? But all those aren't travelling at warp ! And you couldn't target a ship based on its warp signature, by the millisonds you need to target it'd be dozens of thousands miles away
It's science fiction. It might be based of real life facts, it might not be. Who cares. It's a great story! People forget the 'fiction' in sci-fi these days.
@HMDerek4: How about this! If the defense grid uses warp signatures to decide which approaching ship are enemies, then flashing a federation warp signature on the main power supply would be the same as a Large Federation Ship coming out of warp right there. Normally, It would be best to instantly attract allot of attention: Too bad, That's what O'Brien had in mind.
OK even though they aren't at warp they still emit a low level warp field... keep in mind the the core is still online its one of if not the main source of energy on a star ship...
@Raminagrobisfr To be accurate it's not the Anti-matter/matter core it's the warpcoils within the naccels (typoed) even while the ship is in truespace they are online and powered thus creating a low level ambient field.
@Raminagrobisfr Could be used as a system of IFF, since its been implied that federation ships have a certain warp signature when compared to say cardassians, or klingons.
@Kelmorally Technically Romulan Warbirds have the strongest weapon yield compare to federation and klingon ships. But their shielding technologies suck.
@Kelmorally Federation on the other hand, have excellent deflectors and shields. Fed ships can temporarily boost shield to contact sectors and absorb damages well beyound the normal threshold.
Kira is the highest ranking officer after the captain. Makes only sense for her to take lead. Plus she saw what was happening and stepped up. Worf is needed at his station.
Well that could be a sensible line of thought. But in what sense does the Defiant 'belong' to DS9? DS9 is Bajoran, is the Defiant therefore a Bajoran ship?
This is an interesting discussion by the way, more generally.
@HMDerek4 Deep Space Nine, while property of the Bajoran Government, is under the jurisdiction of Starfleet and the Federation (by virtue of Captain Sisko being in Command of it) -- the USS Defiant is a vessel flagged under the Federation, that is also under the command of Sisko. Sisko is a lot more like a Commodore (the position, not the rank) than just a just your run of the mill "Captain."
@jrny8791 Well, we were debating the logic of Kira taking command on a Federation starship. I agree that DS9 is under Federation jurisdiction, and Kira is the liaison between the Federation and the Bajoran government. But all that doesn't make it evident that she would take command on a Federation ship.
@HMDerek4 If she's the First Officer, she's the First Officer = next in line of command, regardless of rank or position. Now granted, if say, an Admiral or another Captain were aboard, it would be more customary for THEM to take Command, as the next senior ranking officer -- however, because Starfleet made her First Officer positionally, she was inclined and, in fact, compelled to do so. Otherwise COULD be construed as dereliction of duty.
Oh I don't doubt that she has the experience. But that wasn't really the issue. Making sense of the command structure in this situation doesn't seem possible. For me the most important fact is that Kira is not a Federation officer.
@miatageekscott it always kinda pissed me of how kira - an army militia officer in a from a backwards religious society would get to even give orders to STARFLEET oficers let along take command of a ship!!!
@wank0r Do you mean religion is backwards, or is it just in addition to being backwards? And what exactly does the society she comes from have to do with her qualifications to give orders?
@HMDerek4 i see what your saying. just like in current situations, would someone being a Christian affect the persons ability to command a Submarine or a Destroyer? i think not.
@wank0r It frightens me how irreligious types have such a burning hatred for religion that they don't hesitate to suggest that a person should be deprived of their rights if they have religious beliefs. Even when talking about a fictitious character on TV.
Kira was the 2nd ranking officer on the bridge. What should they have done? Thrown her out the airlock because she came from a religious culture? I think most religons are hooey (including atheism) but I respect their right to live and work.
@wank0r It's almost as though she's the first officer. I suppose it would make more sense if somebody had mentioned requesting a bajoran first officer, maybe in the first couple of episodes of the series. Oh well.
@wank0r I agree that the Bajorans are kind of creepy and parcially uncivilized because of how their government is a theocracy. But Kira is still DS9's exec. officer. Then again, i think Worf is the exec. officer of the Defiant. But, oh well. Kira did bring the Federation Alliance to victory. That's what's important
Yeah. I think that Kira just took the initiative and that Worf knew that he was needed on his station and that he shouldn't challenge Kira's taking of the initiative.
@wank0r and how is it a backwards religious society when their gods are real and influence their lives daily. plus kira was given a rank when she is assigned to DS9, so she can give orders to people in starfleet.
@wank0r Kira was sisko's first officer on ds9 and the defiant and since worf who was the next in line was busy manning the weapons system kira did her job and took command in a critical mission which needed a commander!
Federation consists of over 100 planets that means the population of federations should be in trillions yet Romulans are one race and still make federation panic.
not on a federation ship. There really is no reason for her to take command. When Worf took the Defiant to Earth in homefront part 2, he was in command, not Kira. It was just a script error.
You really just like to disagree don't you Jessico? Why must you always believe everyone around you is wrong? There are plenty of reasons why Kira could take command in this situation.
Some of these things were just mistakes, plain and simple. You seem to forget that this universe is not real. Sometimes the scriptwriters rushed things. Don't forget the episode in TNG where phasers were fired from the photon torpedo tubes, or the episodes where the little birds of prey were bigger than Romulan warbirds. They're simple mistakes, don't make too much out of it.
I'm guessing they ran out of money for DS9 and couldn't implement shields. Although it would have made it a lot better instead of only the Defiant having shields.
i wonder, you never see shield in dsp, or desp got shield, and some ships, but most of all the ships get destroyed by a singel phaser shout or a distrubtor shout, or any thing, would been a little more fun with the shields :P
Because of how close the ships were, shields would have made the shield bubbles collide too much and also make for too much friendly fire.
That still doesn't completely explain why the Dominion didn't use shields, since suicide runs were prominent. I guess you could argue that shields would dull the explosive effect of the impact that made the suicide runs so effective.
The Dominion are a major power from the Gamma quadrant. They came thru the Bajoran wormhole, the first stable wormhole known the exist - linking the Alpha and Gamma quadrant. They were partly offended by Starfleet exploring their quadrant, partly the leaders (the Founders/Changelings) are just a bunch of paranoid shapeshifters, wanting to dominate all 'solids'...
Well, that's just part of the story. The Dominion want to dominate all solids (because they've had bad experiences with solids), so the wormhole's existence was enough in itself probably.
Strange, I thought the Jem'Hadar would concentrate more on fighting until being heavily damaged, THEN crashing. They were throwing away practically unharmed ships, when they could have let them take a bit more of a beating.
Hmm, wel I suppose a 1 to 1 ratio was the best they could expect. They probably would have been destroyed very fast with such a large fleet attacking.
This is true, however those ships are weak and can die very quickly. In the time it would take to come about for another pass, it might be too late to collide with a target. That is my guess anyway.
There was a MASSIVE flaw at 1:48. That weapons platform was hit by 6 QUANTUM torpedos before it exploded, but you see other platforms being hit by 1 or 2 PHOTON torpedos and exploding. The visual effects people should've paid closer attention. Great battle tho.
Perhaps some of them have weak spots? It'd be even more believable if the quantum torpedoes are more powerful partially because they're more concentrated, and so it's harder to target the weak spots with them (and the photons would get them by chance). The Federation wouldn't correct for this because they just plain wouldn't know.
Technobabble ftw!
TheBlackSpider82 9 hours ago
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thegrouper 3 weeks ago
Worf and Kira smile, Nog shits himself, Garrack has a bit of a slap of his console, and ironically, Chief O'Brian has the blackest reaction ever. He just kinda sits back and looks like he's thinking "A'ight then...."
andyrevell 3 months ago
I wonder why during the production of this episode they didnt add a Sovereign or an Intrepd class starship in the battle.
AdisloKazdan 3 months ago
@AdisloKazdan i think it was brand awareness or marketability or some crap. no sovereigns except in voyager, no defiants except in ds9, no intrepids except voyager. they did break that a couple of times, like message in a bottle and the bellerophon, but for the most the hero ships of each series didn't switch. i think i would've loved seeing a defiant, intrepid, galaxy and sovereign all fighting together though!
sumbuddyx 3 months ago
SWEET FADES BRAH!
johnmartinez449 4 months ago
im wondering if artillery ever made it to the 24th century.. the streamrunner class in armada 2 had this ability.. i wouldve sat at max range and pop off their platforms..
bjornjoseph 5 months ago
@bjornjoseph There's an episode of DS9 where Jake is on a planet with mortar shells exploding around him that pop off with all the explosive force of a firecracker. Not one of Star Trek's better moments ...
ancalites 2 months ago
@ancalites agreed. the actor siroc lofton i believe played that roll pretty well... like a BITCH.. haha..
bjornjoseph 2 months ago
I Feel sorry for the crews aboard that Excelsior Class ship at 2:14 that got show up and the Akira Class ship at 2:53 Both those ships just got owned by more than one canon.
captainbly200 5 months ago
Let's see. The Bridge crew consists of a few humans, a Bajoran, a Klingon, a Cardassian, and a Ferengi. All they need is a Romulan and they'll have the full set.
LordSiravant 5 months ago
O'Brien is a genius.
EduardoTVideos 6 months ago
In the present our military tech can blow each other out of the water/air without ever seeing the enemy from half way across the globe.
In the future warp capable starships have to make strafing runs to project military force.
emp0rizzle 6 months ago
@emp0rizzle
Since the ships can move faster then light and the weapons are not faster then light and have limited tracking how else would you expect the ships to do battle?
toomanyaccounts 3 months ago
@toomanyaccounts so they can't build a missiles with a warp drive?? They have no other way to project military power other than fighting like WW1 naval ships? LMAO. And battle lines aren't at all feasible in 3 dimensional space considering the distances needed to cover such a line. The Cardassian Fleet might as well be the Cardassian Maginot Fleet. But how else would they be able to show a CGI space battle if they didn't ignore common sense?
emp0rizzle 3 months ago
@emp0rizzle
Such missiles could be targeted quite easily. Ah 3D dimensional space you still have to consider certain variables. Ships have different capabilities in warp drive. Plus they still have to consider travel time and navigational hazards. Sorry in 3D space you would have natural points that would be gathering places for fleets and battles.
toomanyaccounts 3 months ago
I HATE TECH-BUBBLE-BRAAAAABEL-DINGENS-IRGENDWAS!!!!
Traip20 6 months ago
funny how the platforms destroy any ship in 1 - 2 hits and NEVER MISS untill the defiant gois in where they either miss or do no damage at all....
123HMatty 6 months ago
PS, Kira was well-qualified from her previous combat experience,
Worf was more needed at his post than Kira was at hers,
They are in the middle of a battle. I think that counts as "extenuating circumstances"
Captain Sisko had asked her to command the Defiant on many earlier occasions (protocol or not) so she had a good track record with the Federation and Sisko,
and,
Sisko did not present any objections at the time.
cougurrd 7 months ago
I personally believe that it probably wasn't typical Starfleet protocol for a non-Starfleet officer to take command of the ship. As has been stated by others, the Defiant is commissioned by Starfleet and I doubt it's normal practice to let officers from other nations (even allies) to command.
That being said, I don't see Captain Sisko as a 100% by-the-book captain. In this situation, a leader was needed and they didn't have the luxury of calling up Starfleet and getting special permission.
cougurrd 7 months ago
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cougurrd 7 months ago
I love Weyoun's adamant: "The Founders ARE gods." It's oh so eerie.
Teraneo 7 months ago
If you noticed in the scenes where the ships are getting attack with one beam. Their shields are holding, but in the other scenes. When they are hit by multiple beams that's when the damage takes place. So in theory the shields are severally weaken after taking all those hits, and then collapses. This happens on Star Trek Online too, when you attack by 4 ships. Your shields, and hull take major damage. Look at it like this your being jump by 4 guys. Your still going to get hit, and hurt.
jodecideion 7 months ago
@jodecideion No matter how much you try to cover yourself up.
jodecideion 7 months ago
I wish they hadn't stuff so much prophet and pah wraith bologna in this show.
HonestTechnoAtheist 7 months ago
Why do you bring your son in a battle. what an idiot
gtobandit1 8 months ago
@gtobandit1 Jake asked to come along because he wanted to write about it. Originally Sisko said no, but Jake was pretty grown by this time and would have surely found another way to be there.
Teraneo 7 months ago
Why do you bring your sone in a battle. what an idiot
gtobandit1 8 months ago
damn those galaxy class starships look magnificient
techracer2003 8 months ago
I remember the days when just one galaxy class starship ( or other large ship) being destroyed was shocking and unusual. For example, in 'the wounded', the Cardassian captain is appalled to see one of his warships destroyed. But now ships are just dropping like flies and nobody is that surprised. (i suppose it is a war but still)
hazzawhitey21 8 months ago
Maybe its some modern rule of engagement? Noone raises shields, so the battle is over more quickly, with the same outcome????!!!
sadailinikada86 8 months ago
What happened to all the ships shields?...they were all destroyed so easily in the beginning...
dmlol 9 months ago
@dmlol There are incidents in other ST shows where high-energy beams sliced through a starship's shields like they weren't there. TOS' "The Doomsday Machine" comes to mind. That was an "anti-proton beam." Maybe the Cardassians used some sort of high-power beam on these platforms....
tyranusfan 7 months ago
I have to say I like the Akira-class, they're like the X-Wings fighters of Federation ships, lean, mean, and cool!
ColonialFleetAdmiral 9 months ago
amazing those things could destroy any ship, but they barely scratch the defiant. You know what that means? The main cast is invulnerable.
Anarchist86ed 9 months ago
@Anarchist86ed : that's because the Defiant is protected by Plot Armor! It's impenetrable! :P
HawkGTboy 9 months ago
Too bad the Enterprise D was destroyed, I'd realy like to see how well that ship would do in this war since Being the Enterprise it would do better than any other Galaxy class.
michaelhviper 9 months ago
I would've liked a DS9 movie set during the Dominion War compared to the crap called Generations, Insurrection, and Nemesis.
pinoi78 10 months ago
Federation Deflector Arrays. The greatest invention since the Reverse Tachyon Beam.
bluntman1138 1 year ago
Wait a second. A member of the Bajoran Militia, Bajor not being a Federation member, serves as XO on what's possibly the most powerful (certainly the most lethal) ship in the Federation fleet?
Why does this strike me as odd?
Dafeaz 1 year ago
@Dafeaz The Bajorans have jurisdiction of DS9. The Defiant is basically given to DS9 for the defense of the station and the wormhole. The Federation also recognizes the Bajorans military ranks. That is why Kira is the Number 2 of DS9 above all the other federation personel, and thus will be Number 2 when the command staff is on the Defiant.
bluntman1138 1 year ago
When did Garek start serving on the Defiant?
22cevans 1 year ago
Also, what is Sisko's son, Jake doing there?
22cevans 1 year ago
@22cevans Acting as a war reporter, I believe.
TheTigerwolf55 1 year ago
Man, O'Brien should totally be a Commander or something.
bigpoppa1234 1 year ago
1 dislike?! Must of been Gul Dukat.
CynicalVision 1 year ago
@CynicalVision
2 dislikes now. Dukat probably showed it to Weyoun.
pinoi78 1 year ago
How come, throughout the Dominion War, shields seem to mean nothing to any ship except the Defiant? Two shots to any Dominion ship or Federation vessel not named Defiant = BOOM.
dcjlove 1 year ago
@dcjlove Because the Defiant has the Power of Plot. The Power of Plot adds an additional 9001% to their weapon and shield power. The only thing to defeat the PoP is the Weapon of Scientific Impossibility which the Breen had.
Fbueller129 1 year ago
@dcjlove
It seems that The weapons of each side are very effective against shields both have.
And as far as this counts for the defiant..., well you know, it´s the heroes ship after all. ^^
JAGTHEGEMINI 1 year ago
@dcjlove Way I see it, it's just a conservation of detail. There's no point showing a single non-storyline ship getting hit 25 times until it blows up, it's cooler to show the ship being blown up from the last few hits. Ie, a ship in a battle would probably lose a lot of it's shields if it get targetted by multiple other ships, then it gets blown up.
bigpoppa1234 1 year ago
when in doubt, use the deflector array.
sniperdude12a 1 year ago
(excuse my language) but is it just me or in DS9 is the Miranda Class Starfleet's bitch? As often as they get destroyed or disabled from even a glancing blow, I have never seen one destroy or even damage an enemy ship.
armysupertroop 1 year ago
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Fbueller129 1 year ago
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Fbueller129 1 year ago
Great quality upload and THANK YOU for not adding music.
Firefox13A 1 year ago
Worf shoulda been commanding Defiant....
Austindude3954 1 year ago
i love how the defiant gets shot up but doesnt explode but the other ships get owned by 1 torpedo
bjornjoseph 1 year ago 2
@bjornjoseph Because she's the Defiant, I think Id rather command her that the enterprise.
ImperatorDominus 1 year ago
@ImperatorDominus - I too would much prefer to command the Defiant in battle. Far more maneuverable, and a far far smaller target for the enemy to hit.
phantomeagle 1 year ago
@bjornjoseph Gotta love that ablada armor. Keep watching!
Wildcard120 5 months ago
2:48 Domar didn't do it, but you what he's thinking... /facepalm
chefkoo 1 year ago
One of the most epic since Wolf 359
Thirdshiftzombie 1 year ago
ok when did the cardassians military tech make such HUGE leap ??????
in TnG they got owned big time & they were no match for federation weapons
and now all of a sudden cardassian tech rivals even the Borg ?
schwarzfalk 1 year ago
@schwarzfalk They did not make huge leap, but they did learn something from Dominion. Platforms get their energy from ground-based source, so have much larger energy reserve than starships. Plus, weapons ranges in ST are im tens or hundreds of thousands of kilometers. Exchange of fire probably lasted longer than we see, and that is why Allied ships do not show shields. Real reason is too much ships on screen to make effect.
Picard578 1 year ago
@Picard578 ok if the Dominion gave them weapons tech then that explains the orbital platforms I guess :)
but was it ever stated that the Dominion shared their tech with the cardassians ? I don't remember, tbh
schwarzfalk 1 year ago
@schwarzfalk I don't think it was ever stated.
Picard578 1 year ago
at 0:18 i would've bitch slaped wayone for that one
cers001 1 year ago
The Miranda class ships are like the starship equivilant to a Red Shirt XD
LostMercenary99 1 year ago
@LostMercenary99 It makes sense that the Miranda class would have a high attrition rate sense they are from Kirk's time. By the time the Dominion War takes place the Miranda class spaceframe is appox. a century old. They were probably kept in service because Starfleet didn't have enough Akira class ships to replace them.
seebee077 1 year ago
@seebee077
Miranda and Excelsior class are the backbone of Starfleet.... cheap and fast.
What i'd like to know is all those ships are being destroyed quickly. Did they forget to raise shields.
HarakMolova 1 year ago
2:55 It looks like an NX-01 ship being destroyed if I'm not mistaken. A little old to be fighting in this one, don't ya think? lol
ajerific 1 year ago
@ajerific nx-01 look alot like the AKIRA class ships. basically their the same except for the nacelles are flipped upwards on the NX-01 and downwards on the akira class. also the photon torpedo launcher is on the bridge between the nacelles on the akira.
TheMarokii 1 year ago
I´m always sad that the Romulans gettin their ass beatin in every star trek fight. The D"Deridex Warbird is my favourite Starship of all Sci Fi Series....thats a true Dreadnought. But in DS9 the always acting as large, helpless targets
carnage2681 1 year ago
@carnage2681 Understandable. The Galaxy class starship (same ship like the Enterprise-D) was beaten by only three jem'hadar fighters. Just because it was too big of a ship and too big to manouevre properly. The Galaxy was basicly useless in small battles. That's why they brought the Defiant class escort into the battle.
Btw: the SFX in this episode are just great. Finally some allied ships getting beaten up hard by those platforms. Together with the second battle at Chin'toka, this is my fav.
AtlanteanUtopia 1 year ago
@AtlanteanUtopia yeah but that ep makes no sense story-wise
in TnG cardassians were no match for starfleet, and nowsuddenly they've made CENTURIES leap in weapons tech & they even seem to rival the borg (those orbital platforms are totally invulnerable & only borg cubes have shown that kinda ability)
schwarzfalk 1 year ago
@AtlanteanUtopia Actually, the Odyssey was beaten by 3 Jem'Hadar ships because at that time, Federation shields were extremely vulnerable against Dominion weapons. The Federation didn't develop an effective countermeasure against Dominion weapons until after Sisko recovered a downed Jem'Hadar ship in season 5. The Defiant could take on Jem'Hadar ships since it was heavily armored.
KingOfMadCows 1 year ago
@carnage2681 The Warbird only looks huge and intimidating but there's a huge chunk of empty space in the middle of the ship. According the technical manuals, the actual mass of the Warbird is actually less than the Galaxy.
KingOfMadCows 1 year ago
Since when do Vor'Chas have Twin Ion Engines? :D
I'm talking about time index 0:27. If you listen carefuly, you'll notice the roaring of a TIE Fighter.
FekLeyrTarg 1 year ago
I loved me some Excelsior Class ships. Even more so than Galaxy Class.
Kingrex16 1 year ago
understand the reason their shields were apparently "non existant" is because in mobile fleet action, they divert a large portion of their energy to weapons and engines, allowing them to maneuver quickly and flank the enemy. they do have shields, but its quite limited and they focus more on killing the bad guy quickly. In many ST episodes, ships often fight against 1 or 2 combatants, so there's a greater emphasis on shields than anything else.
stringerboi 1 year ago
Good battle. But you have to admit, the graphics on the USS Valley Forge (the Excelsior-class ship at 2:19) could be better when the ship is destroyed.
JohnLuckPickard141 1 year ago
Good battle. At 2:10, that's the USS Galaxy, the prototype of the Galaxy-class model and all Galaxy-class starships, including the USS Enterprise-D.
JohnLuckPickard141 1 year ago
did anyone notice an orbital platform get destroyed by one shot from the uss hood? how did this happen? i thought the platforms are able to withstand large amounts of damage?
dreamdevil72 1 year ago
For those who don't know, Sisko has a real crisis of fried chicken midway through this episode, and he has to go to his quarters because he has KFC withdrawl. Kira takes over and is OK though.
viperhalberd 1 year ago
Good to see someone not adding his favorite music to a battle scene.
6U4RD1AN 1 year ago
heh; started buffering at 1.56 for me, giving a very nice view of what i think is the USS Hood. much like its namesake it is quite beautiful for a fleet-ship.
bairdrew 1 year ago
"That's different... the founders *are* gods"
I loled when I saw that many years ago, I've never forgotten that line.
Great acting by the actors who play Damar and Weyoun.
Archedgar 1 year ago 2
lol yeah!
hashugillerz 1 year ago
I always wondered by Garak got to be on the Defiant in front of a control panel. Didnt realized Sisko thought the "tailor" would be so valuable in combat.
kentee1000 1 year ago
A warp signature? But all those aren't travelling at warp ! And you couldn't target a ship based on its warp signature, by the millisonds you need to target it'd be dozens of thousands miles away
Raminagrobisfr 2 years ago
I've always understood a warpsignature to be an energysignature coming from the warpengines.
HMDerek4 2 years ago 13
exactly
RC9831 2 years ago
@HMDerek4
It's science fiction. It might be based of real life facts, it might not be. Who cares. It's a great story! People forget the 'fiction' in sci-fi these days.
Karribu 1 year ago
@HMDerek4: How about this! If the defense grid uses warp signatures to decide which approaching ship are enemies, then flashing a federation warp signature on the main power supply would be the same as a Large Federation Ship coming out of warp right there. Normally, It would be best to instantly attract allot of attention: Too bad, That's what O'Brien had in mind.
bcsviewer 11 months ago
@HMDerek4 Yeah, just like how today radars/sonars on ships/subs can be classified and identified by the energy signatures they emit.
tyranusfan 7 months ago
OK even though they aren't at warp they still emit a low level warp field... keep in mind the the core is still online its one of if not the main source of energy on a star ship...
RC9831 2 years ago
@Raminagrobisfr To be accurate it's not the Anti-matter/matter core it's the warpcoils within the naccels (typoed) even while the ship is in truespace they are online and powered thus creating a low level ambient field.
knfstarfire 1 year ago
@Raminagrobisfr I think it should mean "warp core signature", the specific enegy coming from a fed. warp core. That something you CAN target
95DarkFire 1 year ago
@Raminagrobisfr Could be used as a system of IFF, since its been implied that federation ships have a certain warp signature when compared to say cardassians, or klingons.
AngelicRemorse 8 months ago
I love seeing the Romulans fighting alongside the Federation and Klingons.
Kelmorally 2 years ago 27
@Kelmorally Why?
Jessico76 1 year ago
@Kelmorally The three original adversaries united :) How's that for irony?
Firefox13A 1 year ago
@Kelmorally Technically Romulan Warbirds have the strongest weapon yield compare to federation and klingon ships. But their shielding technologies suck.
BlueCrystalGem 1 year ago
@BlueCrystalGem hi how do you know the romulan have lousy shied tech ?
Badboy21thekiller 8 months ago
@BlueCrystalGem hi how do u know they have lousy shieds? dun mind thanks
Badboy21thekiller 5 months ago
@Kelmorally Federation on the other hand, have excellent deflectors and shields. Fed ships can temporarily boost shield to contact sectors and absorb damages well beyound the normal threshold.
/end nerd
BlueCrystalGem 1 year ago
The Chief deserves an award for that one.
ibejake 2 years ago
Kira is the highest ranking officer after the captain. Makes only sense for her to take lead. Plus she saw what was happening and stepped up. Worf is needed at his station.
kentee1000 2 years ago
There is only one problem. Kira isn't a Federation officer on a Federation ship. It's a bit complex.
HMDerek4 2 years ago
The ship belongs to DS9 and she is second in command at DS9, therefore she is second in command in the ship :D
80smusicfanNO1 2 years ago
Well that could be a sensible line of thought. But in what sense does the Defiant 'belong' to DS9? DS9 is Bajoran, is the Defiant therefore a Bajoran ship?
This is an interesting discussion by the way, more generally.
HMDerek4 2 years ago
@HMDerek4 Deep Space Nine, while property of the Bajoran Government, is under the jurisdiction of Starfleet and the Federation (by virtue of Captain Sisko being in Command of it) -- the USS Defiant is a vessel flagged under the Federation, that is also under the command of Sisko. Sisko is a lot more like a Commodore (the position, not the rank) than just a just your run of the mill "Captain."
jrny8791 2 years ago 2
But what does that imply?
HMDerek4 2 years ago
@HMDerek4 What do you mean, exactly? o0
jrny8791 2 years ago
@jrny8791 Well, we were debating the logic of Kira taking command on a Federation starship. I agree that DS9 is under Federation jurisdiction, and Kira is the liaison between the Federation and the Bajoran government. But all that doesn't make it evident that she would take command on a Federation ship.
HMDerek4 2 years ago
@HMDerek4 If she's the First Officer, she's the First Officer = next in line of command, regardless of rank or position. Now granted, if say, an Admiral or another Captain were aboard, it would be more customary for THEM to take Command, as the next senior ranking officer -- however, because Starfleet made her First Officer positionally, she was inclined and, in fact, compelled to do so. Otherwise COULD be construed as dereliction of duty.
jrny8791 2 years ago
@HMDerek4 perhaps she had tactical experience that would make her suited for taking command?
miatageekscott 2 years ago 2
Oh I don't doubt that she has the experience. But that wasn't really the issue. Making sense of the command structure in this situation doesn't seem possible. For me the most important fact is that Kira is not a Federation officer.
HMDerek4 2 years ago
Worf is the first officer, but he is busy. It should go to Nog after that, but he is only an Ensign. Therefore. Kira can take over
Trek001 1 year ago
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abanks1959 1 year ago
@Trek001 ,You may want to look at some DS9 eps. Kira is Captain Sisko's first officer, not Worf.
abanks1959 1 year ago
@miatageekscott it always kinda pissed me of how kira - an army militia officer in a from a backwards religious society would get to even give orders to STARFLEET oficers let along take command of a ship!!!
wank0r 1 year ago
@wank0r Do you mean religion is backwards, or is it just in addition to being backwards? And what exactly does the society she comes from have to do with her qualifications to give orders?
HMDerek4 1 year ago 17
@HMDerek4 i see what your saying. just like in current situations, would someone being a Christian affect the persons ability to command a Submarine or a Destroyer? i think not.
bennie128 5 months ago
@wank0r It frightens me how irreligious types have such a burning hatred for religion that they don't hesitate to suggest that a person should be deprived of their rights if they have religious beliefs. Even when talking about a fictitious character on TV.
Kira was the 2nd ranking officer on the bridge. What should they have done? Thrown her out the airlock because she came from a religious culture? I think most religons are hooey (including atheism) but I respect their right to live and work.
LightYearsFromHere 1 year ago
@wank0r It's almost as though she's the first officer. I suppose it would make more sense if somebody had mentioned requesting a bajoran first officer, maybe in the first couple of episodes of the series. Oh well.
somnolent49 1 year ago
@wank0r I agree that the Bajorans are kind of creepy and parcially uncivilized because of how their government is a theocracy. But Kira is still DS9's exec. officer. Then again, i think Worf is the exec. officer of the Defiant. But, oh well. Kira did bring the Federation Alliance to victory. That's what's important
JohnLuckPickard141 1 year ago
@JohnLuckPickard141
Yeah. I think that Kira just took the initiative and that Worf knew that he was needed on his station and that he shouldn't challenge Kira's taking of the initiative.
FekLeyrTarg 1 year ago
@wank0r She WAS the first officer of DS-9 and therefore the ranking officer on the ship.
merlinn1971 1 year ago
@wank0r and how is it a backwards religious society when their gods are real and influence their lives daily. plus kira was given a rank when she is assigned to DS9, so she can give orders to people in starfleet.
TheMarokii 1 year ago
@wank0r Kira was sisko's first officer on ds9 and the defiant and since worf who was the next in line was busy manning the weapons system kira did her job and took command in a critical mission which needed a commander!
DangerDave17 1 year ago
@wank0r Agreed
Austindude3954 1 year ago
@wank0r The Bajorans are not a backwards religious society; watch Star Trek TNG: "Ensign Ro"
ogdocvato 1 year ago
okay heres the law you retards:
kira t00k command for 5 reasons:
1) She T00K the initiative when worf just sat there
2) Worf always functions as gunner whenever kira is not present on the bridge [remember the 20 episodes to prove it?]
3)Kira works for starfleet. She may not be an officer of the fleet, but she does take orders from them and works alongside them.
4) Kira is first officer
5) Kira Has been in command of the defiant SEVERAL times in the series, so she would be the next leg up
stringerboi 2 years ago
on 2) i meant to say "Worf always functions as gunner whenever kira IS present
stringerboi 2 years ago
Federation consists of over 100 planets that means the population of federations should be in trillions yet Romulans are one race and still make federation panic.
BonScottAC 2 years ago
The Romulans are an empire which also consists of many worlds.
HMDerek4 2 years ago
because romulans are imperial and are mostly warriors- more fanatical than star fleet which is mostly diplomatic and peacekeeping
stringerboi 2 years ago
I would think Worf would be second in command on the Defiant.
42underscore 2 years ago
Well, Kira is the first officer.
HMDerek4 2 years ago
not on a federation ship. There really is no reason for her to take command. When Worf took the Defiant to Earth in homefront part 2, he was in command, not Kira. It was just a script error.
Jessico76 2 years ago
You really just like to disagree don't you Jessico? Why must you always believe everyone around you is wrong? There are plenty of reasons why Kira could take command in this situation.
HMDerek4 2 years ago
You didnt read what i wrote. It was mostly just a mistake by the script writers, nothing more.
Jessico76 2 years ago
I disagree that that is the only possible explanation. Why not try to think of a reason why it could make sense in stead of criticizing the show?
HMDerek4 2 years ago
Some of these things were just mistakes, plain and simple. You seem to forget that this universe is not real. Sometimes the scriptwriters rushed things. Don't forget the episode in TNG where phasers were fired from the photon torpedo tubes, or the episodes where the little birds of prey were bigger than Romulan warbirds. They're simple mistakes, don't make too much out of it.
Jessico76 2 years ago
Of course they could be mistakes, but there is no sense in emphasizing inconsistency where there isn't any necessarily.
HMDerek4 2 years ago
I'm guessing they ran out of money for DS9 and couldn't implement shields. Although it would have made it a lot better instead of only the Defiant having shields.
Hellow54321 2 years ago
LOL. Did all the Federation Captain's have their shielda down or what?
pinoi78 2 years ago
I am wondering about that too.
82315766 2 years ago
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schwarzfalk 1 year ago
Yet again - ships and their non existence shields - a few phaser shots and they get blown to pieces.
ShoulderAB07 2 years ago
Makes it more exiting.
redplague 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
what episode is this ?
draven5149 2 years ago
some one plz put full episodes
draven5149 2 years ago
the Jem'Hadar must be part Japenese
globalfraud 2 years ago
Those defense platforms must pack A LOT of firepower. Not even Romulan warbirds can stand up to them, it seems.
PhasersLocked 2 years ago
its not profitable.
swordarchertex 2 years ago
nice to see a galaxy firing quantums
fluidicmethod 2 years ago
1. The Ferengi were neutral in this war.
2. The Romulan warbirds are beautiful.
MrBasildonboy 2 years ago 4
i wonder, you never see shield in dsp, or desp got shield, and some ships, but most of all the ships get destroyed by a singel phaser shout or a distrubtor shout, or any thing, would been a little more fun with the shields :P
uberjens 2 years ago
Because of how close the ships were, shields would have made the shield bubbles collide too much and also make for too much friendly fire.
That still doesn't completely explain why the Dominion didn't use shields, since suicide runs were prominent. I guess you could argue that shields would dull the explosive effect of the impact that made the suicide runs so effective.
TehUberTrekkie 2 years ago
I never watched DS9, Why is there war in the Alpha quadrant. Who are the Dominion and whats there beef with starfleet.
Kingrex16 2 years ago
The Dominion are a major power from the Gamma quadrant. They came thru the Bajoran wormhole, the first stable wormhole known the exist - linking the Alpha and Gamma quadrant. They were partly offended by Starfleet exploring their quadrant, partly the leaders (the Founders/Changelings) are just a bunch of paranoid shapeshifters, wanting to dominate all 'solids'...
HMDerek4 2 years ago
so all this just because starfleet was exploring there quadrant. Couldnt they have just asked nicely for starfleet to stop. JEEZ
Kingrex16 2 years ago
Well, that's just part of the story. The Dominion want to dominate all solids (because they've had bad experiences with solids), so the wormhole's existence was enough in itself probably.
HMDerek4 2 years ago
ok next question....."solids" do you mean solids as in solids, or solids as in a type of star trek species
Kingrex16 2 years ago
Solids as in everyone who can't change form.
HMDerek4 2 years ago
oh ok, wow there jerks. LOL they should let the borg take care of them
Kingrex16 2 years ago
Of course, was one of the better series- isn't too late to watch it now, to figure out the whole thing with the Solid/Changelings
MysidianMoments 2 years ago
Love the Kamikaze tactics of the Jem Hadar!
Mojo1982 2 years ago
Strange, I thought the Jem'Hadar would concentrate more on fighting until being heavily damaged, THEN crashing. They were throwing away practically unharmed ships, when they could have let them take a bit more of a beating.
SuperFlicky 2 years ago
Hmm, wel I suppose a 1 to 1 ratio was the best they could expect. They probably would have been destroyed very fast with such a large fleet attacking.
HMDerek4 2 years ago
But still, they have showed it's possible to crash a Jem'Hadar ship into another ship when it was heavily damaged.
SuperFlicky 2 years ago
This is true, however those ships are weak and can die very quickly. In the time it would take to come about for another pass, it might be too late to collide with a target. That is my guess anyway.
HertzSine 2 years ago
True. A few disruptor shots from that Klingon bird of prey disabled one at 1:17
PhasersLocked 2 years ago
There was a MASSIVE flaw at 1:48. That weapons platform was hit by 6 QUANTUM torpedos before it exploded, but you see other platforms being hit by 1 or 2 PHOTON torpedos and exploding. The visual effects people should've paid closer attention. Great battle tho.
eugene1 2 years ago
Perhaps some of them have weak spots? It'd be even more believable if the quantum torpedoes are more powerful partially because they're more concentrated, and so it's harder to target the weak spots with them (and the photons would get them by chance). The Federation wouldn't correct for this because they just plain wouldn't know.
Hedgehogs4Me 2 years ago