One must not forget that the US has been the largest contributor to aid the Palestinian refugees after WWII. In 1958 for example, the US donated $577 million to them while Saudi Arabia gave only $5 million. After the US came Britain with 133 million, Canada with 32 million, West Germany with 27 million and Sweden with 26 million.
Zionists continue to claim there were never a people called "Palestinians" but as this 1950 film affirms at 1:45 these displaced refugees were from Palestinian and that term is more than proper to describe, classify or identify them.
Others commenter’s have properly stated it was not a "War" that displaced these people, but threats and acts of violence committed by Zionist terrorist groups, a few of these terrorists became political leaders in Israel.
@uzijohn how about the facts..not people...the facts are that there was never an ancient country called palestine and there never were ancient palestinians as many jew haters claim. call them zionist if you want and join the propaganda machine of lies
Be careful of those "Humanitarian Aide" and "Vaccines" for they are another word for "GENOCIDE", a problem that is created by the UN cannot be solved by the UN. UN is but a front by the Satanist bankers, Illuminati, the Rotschilds and their cabal
OMG!!!!!!!!!!! IT DOES NOT EVEN MENTION ANY OTHER REASON THAN POLITICAL CHANGE. WTFF!!! HOW ABOUT ISRAELI OCCUPATION OF THE LAND?? HOW ABOUT ISRAEL TOOK THE LANDS AND HOUSES OF THESE PEOPLE AND KICKED THEM OUT?? BUT OH NO! WE CAN NEVER ACCUSE ISRAELI OF BEING CRUEL TO OTHER PEOPLE, OR ELSE YOU'RE JUST ANTI-SEMITE!! WAKE UP WORLD!!!!!!!! IT'S OCCUPATION ALL THE WAY, IT'S NOT WAR NOR POLITICAL CHANGE.
I have to correct this archive that the refugee are not the result of the war, this clearly looks like a sensory of information. the reason was because of the jewish settlers and there occupation and act of terror by the Ergon organization witch joined the IDF later on. they who forced the Palestinians out of there homes and ended up as refugees.
Some comparative infant mortality results from today to put that figure (infant mortality in the refugee camps after the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948/49: 800 per 1000 (80%) of babies born died,) into perspective.
The most chilling fact from this film, infant mortality rates in the refugee camps: 80%.
That is: for every 1000 babies born, 800 died.
I can't see this as anything other than genocide. Israel quibbles over why Palestinians fled in 1948, but the fact Israel refused to let refugees return to their homes and land is incontestable. These were farmers, merchants, labourers, teachers etc. – just ordinary people whose lives were destroyed because zionists wanted to steal their land and property.
They are also considered to be refugees although still living in other parts of historic Palestine like Jordan,West Bank & Gaza- 3 generations on. How ridiculous.
1. The Arab countries are and were much much richer then Israel- I wonder why they never take care of their own people- as I said looks "good" on TV.
2. Back then the policy of exchanging population was very common. 600,000 Jews were expelled from Arab land. 600,000 Arab were inside the land of Israel- that was an exchange of population. BTW- Most of the refugees re- entered Israel after the war of 1948.
No one mention the fact that there were more than 600,000 Jewish refugees in 1948 from, Arab states (a match number to the Arabs inside the LAND of ISRAEL). My parents were among these Jews. But guess what, no one has mentioned their suffering, and their pain. They were massacre in these countries. Israel let them in the new Jewish state and despite all the difficulties they are now a part of it. Unlike the Arab refugees that no Arab state wanted to receive (it looks "good" on TV).
Infact 900,000 Jews fled or were expelled from Arab countries of whom 600,000 settled in Israel.Of 600000 arab refugees nearly all moved to a different part of Palestine like Gaza,West bank or Jordan.
@historicrecord This is recent historical revisionism to try & offset Palestinian reparation claims over Naqba (the 1948 ethnic cleansing). While there were isolated cases of expulsion the majority of jewish arabs migrated voluntarily [made aliyah] to Israel in the 20 years after 1948. Israel celebrated this, and they were not considered refugees. In the largest jewish community in the Middle East (Iraq) Mossad actually bombed synagogues in the early 50s in order to terrify jews into leaving.
@historicrecord are your history records from your apartheid archive or from racist Zionist propagandists like you? Your Zionists explained the ethnic cleansing. Dayan in 1956: "Let us not today fling accusation at the murderers. What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived." (Iron Wall, p. 101)".
In April 1948, forces of the Irgun penetrated deep into Jaffa,which was outside the borders of the proposed Jewish state. [...]Ben-Gurion, despite harsh pronouncements against the dissidents [i.e. the Irgun and other terrorist squads], waited until after the establishment of the state to force them to disband. He could have done this earlier had it suited his purposes, but clearly it did not. The terrorists were very successful in extending the war into areas not officially allocated to the Jews
According to the partition plan, the Jewish state would have had well over 300,000 Arabs, including 90,000 Bedouin. With the Jewish conquest of areas designated for the Arab state (western Galilee, Nazareth, Jaffa, Lydda, Ramleh, villages south of Jerusalem, and villages in the Arab Triangle of central Palestine), the Arab population would have risen by another 300,000 or more.
Zionist leaders feared such numbers of non-Jews would threaten the stability of the new state both militarily - should they become a fifth column for Arab armies, and socially, insofar as a substantial Muslim and Christian minority would challenge the new state's Jewish character. Thus the flight of up to 700,000 Arabs from Palestinian villages and towns during 1948 came to many as a relief.
It wasn't until April 30, 1948, two weeks before the end of the [British] Mandate, that Arab chiefs of staff met for the first time to work out a plan for military intervention.
Under the pressure of mounting public criticism, fueled by the increasingly desperate situation in Palestine - the massacre of Deir Yassin, the fall of Tiberias, the evacuation of Haifa, the collapse of the Palestinian forces, the failure of the A.L.A. [Arab Liberation Army], and the mass flight of refugees - the army chiefs of the Arab states were finally compelled to discuss the deployment of their regular armies.
The Zionist leadership had always intended on ethnically cleansing their Arab population, except not entirely. They needed enough out of their side of partition, to create a Jewish majority.
The Palestinian Arabs and the Zionists had already been fighting a civil war prior to the declaration of Israeli Statehood.
So the image of poor helpless Israel being attacked randomly as soon as it declared 'independence' is hasbara BS.
It ignores history and the context to the Arab mobilization.
I'd like to see some scholarly accounts of the Jewish exodus from the Arab lands. First of all, no matter what happened there - it does not justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
The ethnic cleansing began months before the declaration of Israeli Statehood. The Zionists ignored American calls for mediation. The partition was a recommendation. It had no authority to decide who gets what, especially when the demographics were overwhelmingly Arab.
Palestinian refugees are the result of Arab aggression. Israel did not move Palestinians out of their homes until the Arabs attacked Israel and many Palestinians collaborated with them. However at the same time 850,000 Jews were made refugees and exiled out of Egypt, Syria, etc
Wow, Egypt simply *couldn't* take in refugees and just *had* to put them in Gaza because, according to the film, they had a population of 20 million to feed already! What a cynical load of bunk. there are now over 80 million in Egypt, and the refugees could have easily been accommodated. Same story with Syria, Lebanon ,and Jordan. These countries attacked Israel after rejecting the UN partition plan, and so bear at least a VERY LARGE PART of the responsibility for the refugees' situation.
I see I have to start from the beginningTo cut a long story short there were 2 types of Arabs in Palestine: Those who surrendered to the conquering Israelis in 1948 (whom enjoyed and their descendants enjoy today being Israeli citizens. (They get much more than they would ever get under any Arab rule) and those who listened to the Arab leaders and fought back, got kicked out of their homes and ended up in refugee camps. (to be continued in next reply)...
You talk to me of compassion??? Where was the compassion of all the Arab countries to help their Palestinian brethren? They preserved the refugee situation to be used as a political weapon against Israel pretty cruel. Oh and by the way you mentioned the Nazis, well did you ever hear of the close friendship between the Mufti of Jerusalem al-Husseini and Hitler?
So..you do admit the nazis committed atrocities which is quite a refreshing viewpoint compared to your friends the holocaust deniers or rather the Nazis weren't so bad and therefore neither are the Zionists (according to your comparison) so which is it?
Yeah Acsdg - you'd want to expel people that were hell bent on your destruction too. And where is your outrage over the expulsion of 900,000 Jews from Arab lands after 1948 when they had all their land, homes, and assets stolen.
Well, with good reason. The invaders who were all catagorized as terrorist according to the UN were burning villages to the ground. Not to mention, in 48 over 500,000 jewish immigrants arrived in Palestiine for the first time, and began pushing people (and slaughtering) out of akka and coast land. The fact that you fail to say 75% of the issue shows you attempt to decieve.
The UN has always been biased against Israel since Arab countries far outnumber Israel and its allies. Also, anti-semitism plays a huge part in its lopsided treatment of Arab-Israeli issues. (I have many examples). Actually when Jews came back to Israel they worked well with so-called Palesinians until the Palestinians started to feel threatened by all of the Jewish immigration. Most Palestinians were not from that area anyway and came from Jordan, Syria, etc.
BTW, the UN divided Palestine up 67% for Jewish immigrants and the rest for Palestinian residents, despite the Jewish immigrants only making up 16% of the population of Palestine at that time in 1947, most of which had just gotten off of ports of Acre and Yaffa (500,000 Jewish immigrants in a matter of days). Like I said, I'm about to PM you the genetics results by Arielle Oppehheim and 10's of other professors and genticists. I'd also like to know how you feel about us being the israelites
Nope - 56% was intended for the Jews and 43% for Palestinians. However, the bulk of area that was to go to the Jews was the Negev desert - not suitable for agriculture or urban development.
By inciting a million Palestinian Arabs to leave their lands for neighboring countries we have brought about their destruction. Memoirs of Khaled Al Azem Syrian Prime Minister 1973
the jews loved nazi germany gave them an excuse for the homeland and now they immitate them too by killing women and children they are babykillers idf forces came to my family's houses and said u got 2 hours to get out or they will bulldoze them in the house what crap people say we just left
One of my friends is a Palestinian and posted a link to this for his friends to see. The video was very informative.
Imagine how disappointed I was to see your comment. I'm still more disappointed someone such as you lives in America. I only hope you were not born here because it would be sad to think someone as hateful an ignorant as you was also raised here. You need help. Seriously.
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No they won't the Jews have returned the Arabs could have absorbed these Arabs and they are Jordanians and Syrians they 'NEVER called themselves 'palestinians" until 1967 they left on their own accord when they were promised that the Jews would be wiped out Jews between the river and the sea that did not happen they COULD have worked with and NOT against Israel but they chose war BBC and CNN and the Arab Press DOES LIE! Israe has returned to the land AS GOD SAID IT WOULD!
"Some day, some how, the world will take note of the plight of these people"!
60 years later nothing has changed. They are still refugees in their own land, with absolutely no right, and no country of their own. All the while Israel continues to take more, and more land, builds settlements, up-roots their orchards,olive trees, bombs the hell out of these people and the world remains silent. Shame on Israel, and the U.S. for supporting the Zionist regime.
Let 's not forget that it was the historic homeland of the Jews & that it was stolen from the Jews by the Arabs in 600 AD. Jews still maintained a continuous presence there & Jewish immigrants bought huge tracts of land from the Arabs & Turks. The so-called Palestinians resented this & began to murder Jewish settlers as early as 1920 - prompting Jewish reprisals. There could have been peace but the Arabs rejected this & vowed to kill all the Jews. They lost & now have to face the consequences.
U of Tel Aviv and Hebrew Univeristy have both determined in worldy study that Palestinians, are indeed the original Israelites. Modern day Jews are not "semites"
And further more, buying the land from the Turks and the British doesn't mean we should give it to you.
And might I add, in 1920 the stern gang had developed, a group of Polish Jews who lynched and burned Palestinian women and childern all over the area, allong with the Ha'haganah.
Provide me your source for these studies so I can check them out since I highly doubt you are correct since your are wrong about everything else you posted. The Stern Gang was not even started until 1940. The first Palestinian massacres of Jews were in 1920. Land was bought and other open areas were settled but when Palestinians started their attacks and later their wars and terorism they lost more and more land. It's what you risk when you refuse to live in peace.
Incorrect, the Lehi, under Abraham Stern existed prior to the twenties, along with the Ha'hanah. You're talking about the split. Infact, in June of 1924 the Lehi killed a Dutch Jewish activist preaching peace with the residents of Palestine.
No, Palestians were not working the Jews, the other Jews were (i.e. Lord RothsChild and Askhenazi Lords responsible for Aliahs) and infact, bought and sold Yemanite Jews childern.
And no, I am a Judean Hebronite. I will send you israeli studies in a sec.
@arabman - YOU are incorrect. The Irgun's first steps were in the aftermath of the Riots of 1929. The Lehi under Stern, was established in the late 1930's.
Yes, Jews employed some so-called Palestinians and vice versa, others worked side by side in various businesses/factories, and farms.
Yes - modern day Jews are semites. If you are trying to pass that Khazar crap off as being true then save it as it is a complete fabrication and even disproved by DNA studies as well as other evidence. I highly doubt such DNA studies show the Palestinians have an earlier claim to the Holy Land than the Jews. Most Palestinians came from other Arab countries anyway.
Where is this claim from? I sent you the Israeli sources. If you won't bother having a give and take discussion, then we shouldn't talk at all.
Palestinian = Israelite. It's a fact now- in Israel. I don't care if you doubt it. We all doubt, but fact is fact. Israel exists, that's a fact.
And no, not all modern day Jews are Semites. Their genotypes are eastern European for the most part (along with German and russian) however, they can trace their lineage back to Palestinian genotypes (ironic)
Israel government and the Hamas aren't doing anything good, every agrees with that but the Israeli government imprisonned the whole palestinian era and it's full of colonist and israli soldiers, if Israel didn't have the US to back them up and protect them from other coutnries help to Palestine, both countries would have been in peace before, but no, they prefer to act like nazis did to jewish people in WWII ! This is lame !
It's easy to point to Jewish dominance & dominion in Israel as oppressive to so-called Palestinians but you have to look at the history of how this came about. The Jews weren't the ones to start the conflicts & wars but they certainly defended themselves and later sought to rout out the enemy from their midst since Arabs rejected the UN partition plan & vowed to "drive the Jews into the sea." So what you Nazism I call survival. Israel is but 1/10th of 1% of the land owned by Arabs in the M.E.
@anamacore Settlement building will unfortunately not cease until peace talks are initiated. Palestinians largely do not recognize Israel and therefore do not show up to the peace talks. It's a terrible cycle. Countless lives are lost and everyone's standards of living is poorer in the end.
The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Pal. state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Pal. people, since..we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.
So what, Salvador, Guatemala, Congo and Algeria, were not official states, nor where they different from their neigbors but they gained independence.
Also is that a good excuse to conviscate their homes, farms and busnesses and block them from returning to their homes? Regardless of wether it was official or not, their were people their, and that is simply undeniable.
Regarding Jews, Muslims and Christians living together in harmony in several eras, I recommend the book 'The Ornament of the World: How Muslims, Jews, and Christians Created a Culture of Tolerance in Medieval Spain,' which I reviewed on Amazon. Good reading!
this is history, we are living now on a era where jews are torturing and stealing the land of a whole nation, and we should respond clearly to this criminal behaviour, not dream of a peaceful life, zionists don't want peace they want us to be enslaved ! and accept whatever they want ! their values are values of terror and torture
I apologize in that I now realize you aren't trying to be deceitful but actually believe the Zionist propaganda.
Regarding the history of Zionism in Palestine I recommend two books: Carter's outstanding 'Palestine Peace Not Apartheid' and the free downloadable book 'The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict' at cactus48 (dot) com. Good reading!
My point is based on historians, and has NEVER been debunked. Instead, books like Carter's'Palestine Peace Not Apartheid', N.Finkelstein's "Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict" have! J.McCarthy's "The Population of Palestine" was debunked several times, read "The Smoking Gun: Arab Immigration into Palestine, 1922-1931" by Fred M. Gottheil. Not to mention Joan Peter "From Time Immemorial", B.Lewis, U.O.Schmelz, R.Bachi,J.Farah & others. I suggest you widen your historical horizons
It's sad that many people out there don't realize how hard it is to be a people with no nation at all. It's sad to see many people dip their hands into other people's faiths and tribes, not knowing that they hurt themselves as well. Those of you who gave negative comments, like pinamanu, you are doing yourself a great injustice. Don't sow hate here, and if Islam isn't palatable to you, that's your problem, not the world's. Peace!
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'Palestians' are arabs, egyptians, syrians who immigrated in Palestine AFTER the Jews made it prosper. They have NO RIGHT over palestine. There is no 'palestinian people' in history, ever.The so called 'refugees' were created by arabs, those who remained in Irael got citizenship. The arabs started wars and ALWAYS lost them. Then, they pretend to be the victims and that God is with them! Arabs reap what they sow. Envy, hatred, fanatism, violence, obscurantism, this is all Islam is about.
pinamanu, either you are completely ignorant of the situation or you deliberately lie, in that EVERY sentence in your comment is false. The Palestinian peoples (Christian and Muslim) lived in peace with the Jews of Palestine for 2,000 years until the European atheist socialist Zionists conquered their land and continue to steal it. How cynical that you not only turn a blind eye to their suffering but that you libel their culture and their history. Shame on you!
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Amhlair,
if my comment is false, prove it. I can prove it to be true. There was NEVER such a thing as 'peaceful coexistence' between Muslims and Jews in world history.Just like there was never a 'Palestinian people' living in Palestine 'from time immemorial'. I am happy to send you testimonies of the time, all from arab/not-jewish sources. But I understand that the only reply you can probably contemplate is to accuse me of either 'ignorance' or 'lying'. Not my problem anyway. God bless you.
Althoug Ladywhosoever channel has been closed, the general idea of MUCH MORE DONATIONS from SUUUPERRICH OILprinces to the Palestine brothers and sisters seems to be sensible.
But this does not excuse the MURDER OF INNOCENT WOMEN AND KIDS by the jews.
A research report by the Arab-sponsored Institute for Palestine Studies concluded that the majority of the Arab refugees were not expelled and 68% of them "left without seeing an Israeli soldier."
The Khazar canard has been debunked through extensive DNA research; the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are of Germanic descent, some with Arabic genes. According to Halacha (Jewish law) a convert is no less 'Jewish' than a descendant of King David, so the Khazar elite who practiced Judaism were considered Jews.
Also, this video was made while Gaza was under Egyptian occupation; Israel only captured it in June 1967.
vous qui vivez en toute quietude bien au chaud dans vos maisons, vous qui trouvezle soir en rentrant la table mise et des visages amis, considerez si c'est un homme que celui qui peine dans la boue, qui ne connait pas de repos, qui se bat pour un quignon de pain, qui meurt pour un oui pour un non. considerez si c'est une femme que celle qui a perdu son nom et ses cheveux et jusqu'a la force de se souvenir, les yeux vides et le sein froid comme une grenouille en hiver. (part 1)
si c'est un homme n'oubliez pas que cela fut, non ,ne l'oubliez pas: gravez ces mots dans votre coeur. pensez-y chez vous,dans la rue, en vous couchant,en vous levant; repetez-les à vos enfants. ou que votre maison s'ecroule, que la maladie vous accable, que vos enfants se détournent de vous. -primo levi- et vous avez fait de la "shoah" un fond de commerce,n'est-ce pas une politique de charognards?çe que vous avez vecu, vous le faites vivre aux palestiniens.
These are the true facts of The Goldstein Rescue: 1. Rabbi Dr. Goldstein was informed by Israeli intelligence that The Arabs in that mosque were plotting to massacre hundreds - if not thousands - of Jews that day. 2. He entered the mosque to prevent that 9/11 type of event. 3. After he was murdered, the Israeli Defense Forces found the weapons and plans in the mosque. 4. Therefore, Rabbi Dr. Goldstein is a hero for preventing a massacre and taking care of 29 murderers at the same time.
KAHANEZADAK - I am a Jew and a supporter of Israel, but that is a lie. There were no plans or weapons found, not any indication of such a plan. If Goldstein had knowledge of such a plan, he could have tipped of Israelis authorities. And how would he know of such a plot? He is reviled by Israelis as a fanatical murderer, not a hero
You may or may not be a Jew as you claim. As to being a supporter of Israel - with friends like you, we do not need the Syrians. What I wrote is true. If you do not like the truth, that does not make it less true.
Im certainly a Jew, and a Zionist. But the truth is Goldstein was a psychotic murderer. Like you said, If you dont like the truth, that does not make it less true. If there were plans in that mosque, where is the evidence? Show me a newspaper article, or anything credible other than just your claim. He is most certainly NOT seen as a hero by most Israelis. Everyone he killed in that mosque was part of the plot? And if true, why couldn't he have alerted the authorities? Answer me THAT question.
You might be a Jew. If you are a Zionist, I am an emissary of The Pope. You obviously know less than nothing of life in Israel. The Liberators (what the media calls "settlers") are expendable to the Israeli government. I have taught more than 1175 students the truth about Dr. Goldstein. I have also taught my students how to deal with ignorant kapos like you. You should read the work "Baruch HaGever" (then again, you would have to learn Hebrew to do that).
A Zionist is someone who supports the existence of the Jewish state of Israel AS a Jewish state, so stick that in your pointed hat, your Holiness. I have family in Tel Aviv. What an arrogant, self-righteous prick you are. Who are you to speak for Zionists or Jews? And I learned Hebrew as a child. Its pretty difficult to get through a Bar Mitzvah otherwise. You are nothing but a fanatic. You "liberators" are as much part of the problem as Hamas. But you can't even answer my basic questions
You are a dogmatist and a fanatic. You will learn more if you recognize that someone can have a different opinion than you have without being as evil as Hamas.
You're pathetic. I am espousing no ideology to be fanatical about. You are an arrogant dogmatist who imagines that he speaks for all Jews. How incredibly arrogant to assume that someone who disagrees with you cannot be a Jew. The majority of Jews, including most Israelis, think far more like I do than you. You know damn well that most Israelis are not in favor of the settlers, so you entirely dishonest to pretend otherwise. YOU are not the standard of "true" Jews
Ignorant kapo? I lost family in the camps. Only the worst kind of fascist would use that term against a fellow Jew just because he disagrees with you. Your'e a lowlife disgrace with a Stalinist mentality, and every post reveals you as a fanatic. You want to assault anyone who disagrees with you. No self-repsecting Jew supports murderers. And again, WHERE IS THE PROOF of this so-called plot? You have NOTHING but your own fanatical claims, and NOTHING to bak them up. Either put up, or shut up.
1. It is highly unlikely someone filled with as much Jew-hatred as you have lost one relative in the camps (unless they were non-Jewish socialists - that is a possibility).
2. On the unlikely chance that you are not creating these relatives to "prove" your nonsensical argument, I wish to inform you that they are embarrassed by you. They are pleading in Heaven not to be associated with you and praying that you join me and my cause so that they may rise to a higher level of Heaven.
Jew hatred? You arrogant prick. No Jew would talk to another Jew like that about relatives lost in the Holocaust. You are beneath contempt. If you standing in front of me, I'd shove the yellow Magen David my relatives were forced to wear (still in possession by survivors) down your ignorant throat. Then you could tell me how real it is, scumbag. The only time I hear this kind of rhetoric on youtube is from the abundant anti-semites here. THAT is Jew-hatred and YOU are the embarrassment to Jews
You have too much hatred and prejudice in your heart. You must learn to love. You must learn the value in accepting others with whom you do not agree. You must learn that violence is a last resort, not a first one. You adore violence too much. Your relatives in Heaven are so very embarrassed by you. I shall pray that you learn the evil of your ways and repent and that The One Above Accepts your repentence.
Prejudice? LOL. Spare me your dimestore psychology. Youre an armed settler preaching ethnic cleansing, who supports an act of mass murder - lecturing about nonviolence? NOW you're finding your funny bone. You adore nothing but yourself and your own words. You have no answer to my questions of proof, so you change the subject to your delusional nonsense. You are not worth talking to any further. You are a blatant LIAR who is unable to verify the truth of your hateful claims. Dismissed
Dismissed? I can forgive the boorish behaviour of a peasant as I do what I do to serve Him and not my ego. You truly should, though, for your sake, drop the obsession with all things militaristic.
Your hatred will not be returned by hatred. I am above that and more emotionally stable than you are. You are not to be hated; you are merely to be pitied (as long as you keep your warped views away from impressionable youg ones).
Bald- faced liar. I have a copy of the Shamgar Report. Would you like me to send it to you so you can point out the part about an imminent attack from that particular mosque? And the part that explains why the Israeli authorities did made no arrests to prevent such an attack? Or the part that justifies the killing of UNARMED worshippers?
Research? The only valid research is the Shamgar Report, which offers no support to your massacre-approving claim. You are an utterly delusional LIAR,
And if there was ANY legitimacy to your claim, then you would be able to rationally lay out your case without resorting to the amateur psychology, ideological nonsense, and dishonest debating. Your childish preaching against my "militarism" etc., demonstrates that you cannot defend your position with anything other than pure, empty rhetorical garbage. You have no real argument to make in defense of your views, so you resort to your condescending projections. You have lost - dismissed
How do you explain the letter from the Shamgar Commission dated April 12, 1994 to Mordechai Sayed relative to Arab weapons found in the "mosque" immediately following the murder of Baruch Goldstein (hy"d)? (That murder - With His Will - will be avenged. Perhaps you do not consider machine guns to be weapons. How do you deal with the report from HaZofeh dated February 27, 1994?
Now I am not so certain that you are a high school graduate. I said: The original Shamgar report. Obviously, the copy released by the Israeli government does not contain the truth. I have been stating that to students (approx. 1200) for more than a decade.
I am not sure you're a grade school graduate, let alone a teacher. I'm sure you didn't learn how to lie in a yeshiva. Perhaps you learned it from the Koran, which justifies lying to further the cause of Islam. Your kind of "Judaism" is taught in madrassas, not yeshivas
He killed him. Its called self-defense. Who was being beaten in that mosque before Goldstain opened fire, o lying murderer-lover? The obe who initiated the violence was Goldstein. He is a SHAME to most Jews. You have no idea how most Jews think. You are a pariah among your own people, and you know it.
Wait. Moses killed in self-defense? Moses was not being beaten. The Arab did not have a gun. He was beating the Hebrew slave with a whip and a stick. That is not a weapon you said. You are so easy to own. My seventh graders have better debate skills and more respect for the truth than you do.
Actually, I did study the Koran and the Sunna and the Hadith. It is important to understand the other residents of the middle east. Interaction will continue after the population exchange is completed and trade is very important.
If Israel attempted a forced relocation, it would guarantee a gigantic war with the Muslim world, which is precisely what lunatics like you want. And I can tell you've read the Koran. Like I said, you imitate the tactics of Mohammed
Who is talking about a forced relocation? We are talking about the completion of a population transfer. Forced relocation? Ethnic cleansing? You really have violent tendencies. Come to Kiryat Arba or Hevron and learn from the most honorable and peaceful people on Earth. The heroes of the generation. Come. Plant a tree. Build a building. Develop Jewish knowledge and Jewish pride and spread peace and love. Drop your hatred and prejudice. You will feel better and finally make your ancestors proud.
KahaneZadak -- Kibbutzniks from the turn of the century took arable land from poor peasant tenant Arab farmers. Thats rather funny because the race-based foundation of Zionism created a conundrum with the socialist-leaning Kibbutzniks.
Whats even more funny is a Kahanist like yourself singing praises of a Labor Zionist invention. In the British Mandate You right wingers hated and almost came to shots with the Labor Zionists.
Oh, a pseudointellect joins the fray. Whatever problems I have with chained2it, he did not pretend to be a historian. Where is Zionism (=Judaism) race-based? Are the Ethiopian Jews not Jews in your eyes, you racist? Are Yemenite Jews somehow inferior in your eyes because most are darker skinned than many African-Americans? The fact that you judge people based on skin color repulses me.
Yes KahaneZadak the Falasha (aka "strangers") and Yemenites have always been treated one step above Arabs in Ashkenazi society. In other words like dirt. In fact both said groups were herded like cattle into camps once they were dragged to Israel and there is a joke in Israel among the white Jews about Ethiopians not knowing how to use the toilet.
Perhaps that was true fifty years ago among some of the socialistim. Among the heroes in Hevron, Tapuach, Kiryat Arba, Tekoa, etc., I can tell you from personal experience, that is decidedly not true. I would never tell (or even mention) such a vile joke mocking an entire group of people.
The Arbs have it better in Israel than in any Arab state. The Arabs are upset because there is any state in the middle east that is not an Arab state. They are upset because they fought (rather valiently) for the wrong side in WWII. They are upset that any Jews are still alive in the world.
powelltg - No one forced Ethiopians or Yemenites to come to Israel, but Israel went to great lengths to get them there. They have MUCH better lives in Israel. Of course there are cultural conflicts, just as there are in ANY culturally diverse nation. They are free to leave if the wish, but they stay in Israel. That says all that needs to be said
Also its historical fact that elitist Ashkenazi snobs came & relieved the Arab of his farmland because he wasnt as important as the socialist experiment of Kibbutzim. So dont go s-cking Kibutznik c-ck saying how "peacefully Jewish" they are. Tis a disgrace to all decent Jews everywhere.
Also funny that a Kahanist such as yourself would be lauding Labor Zionists. Do I need to remind you of the often contentious clashes between the 2 sides? Havent you read anything that Jabotinsky wrote or did?
I am not now nor have I ever been a Labor Zionist. I am a peaceful hard working Kachnick and freedom-fighter. I model my philosphy after a combination of Martin Luther King, George Washington and David Raziel. Jabotinsky was a giant. Any Arabs removed were removed because they sold their land to the Zionists or directly or indirectly took up arms against others.
Martin Luther King preached non-violent resistance. No one in the middle east follows that. George Washington was fighting to secure independence. Israel has already done that.
"Any Arabs removed were removed because they sold their land to the Zionists or directly or indirectly took up arms against others"
That's the first thing you've posted that's even partially true.
Do not lecture me about Arabs. I understand the Arabs. I respect the Arabs. They truly believe that the land is theirs. They truly believed that they could assist the Nazis in wiping out every Jew. It is not that they do not believe. It is that they want to kill me because I am Jewish (put in whatever code word you want to separate them from the Nazis: it is really because I am semitic or not semitic or Zionist or not a socialist or am a socialist - it has nothing to do with politics).
You are simply a racist Jew-hater who also believes that dark-skinned people are simply not as god as Caucasians and I find that philosophy repugnant.
"dark-skinned people are simply not as god as Caucasians and I find that philosophy repugnant."
You should find it repugnant, but you are the only one making such an argument. Any other fictitious straw men you;d care to set up and argue against? I tell you to make peace with the Palestinians, while you support a man who massacred them. I think the drugs are beginning to effect you negatively. You need to check into rehab to sure your addiction. Drugs have warped your mind.
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Israel was the proper place from a theological point of view as well as a pragmatic point of view. For the most part, The Holy Land was empty and desolate. I would be foolhardy if I said that zero Arabs were displaced, but the number of Arabs displaced is negligable compared to the population transfers in India/Pakistan and the Czech/German relocation and nearly every other historical precedent.
Due to fact that I am responsible for certain weapons, I do not take any mind-altering substances. I very rarely even go near alcohol. It is dangerous to be near weapons if one does drugs.
The bottom line is that the Islamofascists want to kill every Jew (they use a different term) and every Christian and fighting them is more important than the fight against the Nazis in WWII.
"Islamofascists want to kill every Jew " I don;t doubt it. But I highly doubt most Palestinians are Islamofascists, Most just want a homeland, just like israelis do
powelltg - The goal of Zionism is to create a homeland for Jews as a haven against racism. I would have liked to have seen you attempt to explain to the Jews fleeing the refugee camps of Europe, after being liberated from the death camps, that their need for somewhere they could be safe from racists was itself racist. They were nearly obliterated by racists and driven from Europe. They would have gladly continued their lives in Europe, but a little thing called the Holocaust drove them out
Of course you are correct in your assertion that aliya rose after WWII compared to pre-1933 rates. Clearly, many victims of the Holocaust would have sadly remained in Poland, Russia, Germany, Austria, Hungary, etc. had the Holocaust not occurred. I request clarification as to how not wishing to be exterminated is racist. There was no other place that would take them (I know, a small percentage escaped to Central America, South America, North America, etc., but nearly every country had quotas.)
Moreover, the aforementioned quotas existed before, after and during the war. Research what happened to The Voyage of The Damned. And even after the war, Poland, Hungary and (to a lesser extent) Lithuania had pograms.
I, as well, should have split up my response. Part of what I wrote to you should have been directed towards powelltg. I meant no confusion. There is enough of that on YOUTUBE without me creating more.
If they were carrying arms, then how do you explain the fact that he continued firing for 10 minutes, before he was BEATEN to death? People with firearms tend to use them to defend themselves when being shot at. No one fired back on him. They BEAT him to death, because they were UNARMED. There is a word for shooting unarmed people who are not at that moment attacking you - its called MURDER, not self-defense
Even someone like you will concede that the Arabs in that "mosque" were decidedly NOT unarmed. You can say that you believe that it is good in your point of view when your Arabs kill my Jewish brothers and sisters, but at least be honest about the facts of The Goldstein Rescue. If Schindler did a good deed by saving 1100 to 1200 Jews, then Dr. Goldstein, who saved between three and ten times that number according to historians, sure did a great deed.
If they were armed, they why did none of them shoot Goldstein? Yes, many mosques have been used to stash illegal weapons. So... that justifies opening fire on the worshippers? That means a terrorist attack was imminent within minutes, and would originate from that mosque? That means the IDF could not have raided it and made arrests? No matter how convoluted of an argument you make, even if all you say was true (which it isn't) nothing justifies Goldstein. The authorities could have handled it
You did not respond to any of the proof. That is because you can not respond to any of the proof. The life of a Jew from Hevron clearly has no value to you. You must let go of the hate. You will be so much the better person if you do that.
You didn't offer any proof. Even the report you quote contradicts you. YOU didn't answer my question of why he was beaten to death if they were armed, or why the Israeli authorities didn't handle it, because you can't, because you;re a LIAR
Is there any possibility that these weapons were plants? In State driven practices it is known that agents are trained to create the "situation" which they wish the masses to percieve.
It really isn;t worth your time to speak with other humans if it can be determined that they are pathological liars. Even in the face of the evidence of their own lies they will continue to lie. It is how they have been conditioned as children. It is literally a programmed behavior response which they would need to have unprogrammed (but of course would they WANT to be honest? If they are adults it should be their choice. The best recourse is to just remember and not waste energy on them.)
We can complete this transfer of population (hopefully without the violence that accompanied the transfer of the Jews to Israel - I know that you are rather violent, but I prefer non-violent methods of achieving goals, when feasable). We must formally thank the Arabs for the Jews sent to us in 1948 and give to them what belongs to them: the Arabs in Greater Israel. We also should pay the Arabs for everything they leave behind (after subtracting what the Jews left behind in Arab lands).
You are the type of person who would have castigated Martin Luther King in his day for disturbing the status quo. You must place justice before your own trivial needs. As I tell my beloved students, "Learn to love, learn to live."
Why are you even bothering? If you can;t even debate without resorting to such ridiculously asinine dishonest tactics, then you're pathetic. Who are you kidding? Who do you think will read this and be impressed with your idiotic delusional tactics? And Martin Luther King would NEVER favor the forced relocation of people. But don't let that stop you from another moronic post By all means, please continue to make an ass of yourself. You're quite proficient at it
Of course, no self-respecting Jew supports murderers. I do not need an ignorant fool like you to tell me that. Patton and George Washington and Moses and Dr. Goldstein and Joshua and Mickey Marcus all took lives. None of them were murderers. Violence is ALWAYS terrible. Violence is sometimes terribly necessary. Was Truman a murderer?
I understand that you have never studied history (I teach Jewish History to High School age students and you would get an "F" from me) from your comments. Do you think that one can be a Stalinist and a fascist?
One must not forget that the US has been the largest contributor to aid the Palestinian refugees after WWII. In 1958 for example, the US donated $577 million to them while Saudi Arabia gave only $5 million. After the US came Britain with 133 million, Canada with 32 million, West Germany with 27 million and Sweden with 26 million.
GhostOfChannelingu 2 months ago
Zionists continue to claim there were never a people called "Palestinians" but as this 1950 film affirms at 1:45 these displaced refugees were from Palestinian and that term is more than proper to describe, classify or identify them.
Others commenter’s have properly stated it was not a "War" that displaced these people, but threats and acts of violence committed by Zionist terrorist groups, a few of these terrorists became political leaders in Israel.
uzijohn 4 months ago
@uzijohn how about the facts..not people...the facts are that there was never an ancient country called palestine and there never were ancient palestinians as many jew haters claim. call them zionist if you want and join the propaganda machine of lies
dasenuff 2 months ago
Be careful of those "Humanitarian Aide" and "Vaccines" for they are another word for "GENOCIDE", a problem that is created by the UN cannot be solved by the UN. UN is but a front by the Satanist bankers, Illuminati, the Rotschilds and their cabal
francistansecoDOTcom 4 months ago
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!! IT DOES NOT EVEN MENTION ANY OTHER REASON THAN POLITICAL CHANGE. WTFF!!! HOW ABOUT ISRAELI OCCUPATION OF THE LAND?? HOW ABOUT ISRAEL TOOK THE LANDS AND HOUSES OF THESE PEOPLE AND KICKED THEM OUT?? BUT OH NO! WE CAN NEVER ACCUSE ISRAELI OF BEING CRUEL TO OTHER PEOPLE, OR ELSE YOU'RE JUST ANTI-SEMITE!! WAKE UP WORLD!!!!!!!! IT'S OCCUPATION ALL THE WAY, IT'S NOT WAR NOR POLITICAL CHANGE.
mahahl1 5 months ago
i think not...it was the rabs who instigated this lie and got the paly's to leave their land and become refugees to garner animosity against isreal!
dasenuff 8 months ago in playlist Palestine فلسطين
@dasenuff The Arabs instigated what lie?
xander7ful 2 months ago
@xander7ful read. maybe if you read b4 youreply you would know.
dasenuff 2 months ago
I have to correct this archive that the refugee are not the result of the war, this clearly looks like a sensory of information. the reason was because of the jewish settlers and there occupation and act of terror by the Ergon organization witch joined the IDF later on. they who forced the Palestinians out of there homes and ended up as refugees.
martok666 10 months ago 2
"The seemingly endless waiting for humanitarian assistance." Its been 60 years and they are still waiting!
PMnews1 1 year ago
Some comparative infant mortality results from today to put that figure (infant mortality in the refugee camps after the ethnic cleansing of Palestine in 1948/49: 800 per 1000 (80%) of babies born died,) into perspective.
The highest IM rates in the world today:
160/1000 (16%) - Sierra Leone
157/1000 (15.7%) - Afghanistan (thanks Bush/Obama)
The best IM rates in the world today:
2.9/1000 (0.29%) - Iceland
dynaco 1 year ago
The most chilling fact from this film, infant mortality rates in the refugee camps: 80%.
That is: for every 1000 babies born, 800 died.
I can't see this as anything other than genocide. Israel quibbles over why Palestinians fled in 1948, but the fact Israel refused to let refugees return to their homes and land is incontestable. These were farmers, merchants, labourers, teachers etc. – just ordinary people whose lives were destroyed because zionists wanted to steal their land and property.
dynaco 1 year ago
They are also considered to be refugees although still living in other parts of historic Palestine like Jordan,West Bank & Gaza- 3 generations on. How ridiculous.
historicrecord 1 year ago
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iArabiChi 1 year ago
Two more points:
1. The Arab countries are and were much much richer then Israel- I wonder why they never take care of their own people- as I said looks "good" on TV.
2. Back then the policy of exchanging population was very common. 600,000 Jews were expelled from Arab land. 600,000 Arab were inside the land of Israel- that was an exchange of population. BTW- Most of the refugees re- entered Israel after the war of 1948.
LetIDFWin 1 year ago
No one mention the fact that there were more than 600,000 Jewish refugees in 1948 from, Arab states (a match number to the Arabs inside the LAND of ISRAEL). My parents were among these Jews. But guess what, no one has mentioned their suffering, and their pain. They were massacre in these countries. Israel let them in the new Jewish state and despite all the difficulties they are now a part of it. Unlike the Arab refugees that no Arab state wanted to receive (it looks "good" on TV).
LetIDFWin 1 year ago
@LetIDFWin
Infact 900,000 Jews fled or were expelled from Arab countries of whom 600,000 settled in Israel.Of 600000 arab refugees nearly all moved to a different part of Palestine like Gaza,West bank or Jordan.
historicrecord 1 year ago
@historicrecord This is recent historical revisionism to try & offset Palestinian reparation claims over Naqba (the 1948 ethnic cleansing). While there were isolated cases of expulsion the majority of jewish arabs migrated voluntarily [made aliyah] to Israel in the 20 years after 1948. Israel celebrated this, and they were not considered refugees. In the largest jewish community in the Middle East (Iraq) Mossad actually bombed synagogues in the early 50s in order to terrify jews into leaving.
dynaco 1 year ago
@historicrecord are your history records from your apartheid archive or from racist Zionist propagandists like you? Your Zionists explained the ethnic cleansing. Dayan in 1956: "Let us not today fling accusation at the murderers. What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived." (Iron Wall, p. 101)".
abumiz 1 year ago
@LetIDFWin This historian debunk all the myths and lies of your apartheid: Israeli Myths & Propaganda: watch?v=sIWvcBzbqVc
And here is a Moroccan Jew talking about your Zionists plans to transfer Jews to Palestine. Living Moroccan in Jerusalem: watch?v=QRVpAnEGjgM
Not a war criminal from the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) can tell us about history: watch?v=U-osOmZzZUs
But the best answer to your lies is your own Zionists confessions, go and check out your own apartheid archive, propagandist.
abumiz 1 year ago
Search for "The Hidden Tyranny" and learn the shocking truth!
SedonaHealthCoach 1 year ago
@SedonaHealthCoach ugh no 9/11 truthers plz
marzilyas 1 year ago
@marzilyas Silly person, "the Hidden Tyranny" has to do with the subject of this video, not 9/11!
SedonaHealthCoach 1 year ago
@SedonaHealthCoach my bad
marzilyas 1 year ago
Simha Flapan, The Birth of Israel: Myths and Realities:
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Arjuna1901 2 years ago
In April 1948, forces of the Irgun penetrated deep into Jaffa,which was outside the borders of the proposed Jewish state. [...]Ben-Gurion, despite harsh pronouncements against the dissidents [i.e. the Irgun and other terrorist squads], waited until after the establishment of the state to force them to disband. He could have done this earlier had it suited his purposes, but clearly it did not. The terrorists were very successful in extending the war into areas not officially allocated to the Jews
Arjuna1901 2 years ago
According to the partition plan, the Jewish state would have had well over 300,000 Arabs, including 90,000 Bedouin. With the Jewish conquest of areas designated for the Arab state (western Galilee, Nazareth, Jaffa, Lydda, Ramleh, villages south of Jerusalem, and villages in the Arab Triangle of central Palestine), the Arab population would have risen by another 300,000 or more.
Arjuna1901 2 years ago
Zionist leaders feared such numbers of non-Jews would threaten the stability of the new state both militarily - should they become a fifth column for Arab armies, and socially, insofar as a substantial Muslim and Christian minority would challenge the new state's Jewish character. Thus the flight of up to 700,000 Arabs from Palestinian villages and towns during 1948 came to many as a relief.
Arjuna1901 2 years ago
It wasn't until April 30, 1948, two weeks before the end of the [British] Mandate, that Arab chiefs of staff met for the first time to work out a plan for military intervention.
Arjuna1901 2 years ago
Under the pressure of mounting public criticism, fueled by the increasingly desperate situation in Palestine - the massacre of Deir Yassin, the fall of Tiberias, the evacuation of Haifa, the collapse of the Palestinian forces, the failure of the A.L.A. [Arab Liberation Army], and the mass flight of refugees - the army chiefs of the Arab states were finally compelled to discuss the deployment of their regular armies.
Arjuna1901 2 years ago
The Zionist leadership had always intended on ethnically cleansing their Arab population, except not entirely. They needed enough out of their side of partition, to create a Jewish majority.
The Palestinian Arabs and the Zionists had already been fighting a civil war prior to the declaration of Israeli Statehood.
So the image of poor helpless Israel being attacked randomly as soon as it declared 'independence' is hasbara BS.
It ignores history and the context to the Arab mobilization.
Arjuna1901 2 years ago
I'd like to see some scholarly accounts of the Jewish exodus from the Arab lands. First of all, no matter what happened there - it does not justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
The ethnic cleansing began months before the declaration of Israeli Statehood. The Zionists ignored American calls for mediation. The partition was a recommendation. It had no authority to decide who gets what, especially when the demographics were overwhelmingly Arab.
Arjuna1901 2 years ago
Palestinian refugees are the result of Arab aggression. Israel did not move Palestinians out of their homes until the Arabs attacked Israel and many Palestinians collaborated with them. However at the same time 850,000 Jews were made refugees and exiled out of Egypt, Syria, etc
gagaarden 2 years ago
Hasbara hasbara
88BMNN 2 years ago
Wow, Egypt simply *couldn't* take in refugees and just *had* to put them in Gaza because, according to the film, they had a population of 20 million to feed already! What a cynical load of bunk. there are now over 80 million in Egypt, and the refugees could have easily been accommodated. Same story with Syria, Lebanon ,and Jordan. These countries attacked Israel after rejecting the UN partition plan, and so bear at least a VERY LARGE PART of the responsibility for the refugees' situation.
nocomment1111 2 years ago
I see I have to start from the beginningTo cut a long story short there were 2 types of Arabs in Palestine: Those who surrendered to the conquering Israelis in 1948 (whom enjoyed and their descendants enjoy today being Israeli citizens. (They get much more than they would ever get under any Arab rule) and those who listened to the Arab leaders and fought back, got kicked out of their homes and ended up in refugee camps. (to be continued in next reply)...
jhainovitz 2 years ago
You talk to me of compassion??? Where was the compassion of all the Arab countries to help their Palestinian brethren? They preserved the refugee situation to be used as a political weapon against Israel pretty cruel. Oh and by the way you mentioned the Nazis, well did you ever hear of the close friendship between the Mufti of Jerusalem al-Husseini and Hitler?
jhainovitz 2 years ago
So..you do admit the nazis committed atrocities which is quite a refreshing viewpoint compared to your friends the holocaust deniers or rather the Nazis weren't so bad and therefore neither are the Zionists (according to your comparison) so which is it?
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Acsdg118k 2 years ago
Yeah Acsdg - you'd want to expel people that were hell bent on your destruction too. And where is your outrage over the expulsion of 900,000 Jews from Arab lands after 1948 when they had all their land, homes, and assets stolen.
JerrySPsy 2 years ago
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Acsdg118k 2 years ago
Well, with good reason. The invaders who were all catagorized as terrorist according to the UN were burning villages to the ground. Not to mention, in 48 over 500,000 jewish immigrants arrived in Palestiine for the first time, and began pushing people (and slaughtering) out of akka and coast land. The fact that you fail to say 75% of the issue shows you attempt to decieve.
Arabman666 2 years ago
The UN has always been biased against Israel since Arab countries far outnumber Israel and its allies. Also, anti-semitism plays a huge part in its lopsided treatment of Arab-Israeli issues. (I have many examples). Actually when Jews came back to Israel they worked well with so-called Palesinians until the Palestinians started to feel threatened by all of the Jewish immigration. Most Palestinians were not from that area anyway and came from Jordan, Syria, etc.
JerrySPsy 2 years ago
BTW, the UN divided Palestine up 67% for Jewish immigrants and the rest for Palestinian residents, despite the Jewish immigrants only making up 16% of the population of Palestine at that time in 1947, most of which had just gotten off of ports of Acre and Yaffa (500,000 Jewish immigrants in a matter of days). Like I said, I'm about to PM you the genetics results by Arielle Oppehheim and 10's of other professors and genticists. I'd also like to know how you feel about us being the israelites
Arabman666 2 years ago
Nope - 56% was intended for the Jews and 43% for Palestinians. However, the bulk of area that was to go to the Jews was the Negev desert - not suitable for agriculture or urban development.
JerrySPsy 2 years ago
By inciting a million Palestinian Arabs to leave their lands for neighboring countries we have brought about their destruction. Memoirs of Khaled Al Azem Syrian Prime Minister 1973
JerrySPsy 2 years ago
hmmmmmmmm
2706mah 2 years ago
the jews loved nazi germany gave them an excuse for the homeland and now they immitate them too by killing women and children they are babykillers idf forces came to my family's houses and said u got 2 hours to get out or they will bulldoze them in the house what crap people say we just left
romeojoe 2 years ago
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this is so sad someday the palestinians will control all of palestine and the jews will be headed back to europe in the ovens
romeojoe 2 years ago
One of my friends is a Palestinian and posted a link to this for his friends to see. The video was very informative.
Imagine how disappointed I was to see your comment. I'm still more disappointed someone such as you lives in America. I only hope you were not born here because it would be sad to think someone as hateful an ignorant as you was also raised here. You need help. Seriously.
steveminne 2 years ago
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hawkandpanther 2 years ago
"Some day, some how, the world will take note of the plight of these people"!
60 years later nothing has changed. They are still refugees in their own land, with absolutely no right, and no country of their own. All the while Israel continues to take more, and more land, builds settlements, up-roots their orchards,olive trees, bombs the hell out of these people and the world remains silent. Shame on Israel, and the U.S. for supporting the Zionist regime.
anamacore 3 years ago 33
Let 's not forget that it was the historic homeland of the Jews & that it was stolen from the Jews by the Arabs in 600 AD. Jews still maintained a continuous presence there & Jewish immigrants bought huge tracts of land from the Arabs & Turks. The so-called Palestinians resented this & began to murder Jewish settlers as early as 1920 - prompting Jewish reprisals. There could have been peace but the Arabs rejected this & vowed to kill all the Jews. They lost & now have to face the consequences.
JerrySPsy 2 years ago
its not a fact
its a lie
letthetruthbeknown9 2 years ago
Nah - I can back up all my FACTS with reliable sources and direct quotes. Unlike your very name you dent the truth and keep it from being known.
JerrySPsy 2 years ago
U of Tel Aviv and Hebrew Univeristy have both determined in worldy study that Palestinians, are indeed the original Israelites. Modern day Jews are not "semites"
And further more, buying the land from the Turks and the British doesn't mean we should give it to you.
And might I add, in 1920 the stern gang had developed, a group of Polish Jews who lynched and burned Palestinian women and childern all over the area, allong with the Ha'haganah.
You know, not everyones oblivious to history.
Arabman666 2 years ago
Arabman,
Provide me your source for these studies so I can check them out since I highly doubt you are correct since your are wrong about everything else you posted. The Stern Gang was not even started until 1940. The first Palestinian massacres of Jews were in 1920. Land was bought and other open areas were settled but when Palestinians started their attacks and later their wars and terorism they lost more and more land. It's what you risk when you refuse to live in peace.
JerrySPsy 2 years ago
Incorrect, the Lehi, under Abraham Stern existed prior to the twenties, along with the Ha'hanah. You're talking about the split. Infact, in June of 1924 the Lehi killed a Dutch Jewish activist preaching peace with the residents of Palestine.
No, Palestians were not working the Jews, the other Jews were (i.e. Lord RothsChild and Askhenazi Lords responsible for Aliahs) and infact, bought and sold Yemanite Jews childern.
And no, I am a Judean Hebronite. I will send you israeli studies in a sec.
Arabman666 2 years ago
@arabman - YOU are incorrect. The Irgun's first steps were in the aftermath of the Riots of 1929. The Lehi under Stern, was established in the late 1930's.
Yes, Jews employed some so-called Palestinians and vice versa, others worked side by side in various businesses/factories, and farms.
JerrySPsy 2 years ago
Yes - modern day Jews are semites. If you are trying to pass that Khazar crap off as being true then save it as it is a complete fabrication and even disproved by DNA studies as well as other evidence. I highly doubt such DNA studies show the Palestinians have an earlier claim to the Holy Land than the Jews. Most Palestinians came from other Arab countries anyway.
JerrySPsy 2 years ago
Where is this claim from? I sent you the Israeli sources. If you won't bother having a give and take discussion, then we shouldn't talk at all.
Palestinian = Israelite. It's a fact now- in Israel. I don't care if you doubt it. We all doubt, but fact is fact. Israel exists, that's a fact.
And no, not all modern day Jews are Semites. Their genotypes are eastern European for the most part (along with German and russian) however, they can trace their lineage back to Palestinian genotypes (ironic)
Arabman666 2 years ago
OMG ignorance will kill you someday.. watch it!
Goubi92 2 years ago
@Goubi92 - another lame ad hominem attack - come at me with something substantive Mr. Genius. Maybe then we can have a meaningful debate.
JerrySPsy 2 years ago
Israel government and the Hamas aren't doing anything good, every agrees with that but the Israeli government imprisonned the whole palestinian era and it's full of colonist and israli soldiers, if Israel didn't have the US to back them up and protect them from other coutnries help to Palestine, both countries would have been in peace before, but no, they prefer to act like nazis did to jewish people in WWII ! This is lame !
Goubi92 2 years ago
It's easy to point to Jewish dominance & dominion in Israel as oppressive to so-called Palestinians but you have to look at the history of how this came about. The Jews weren't the ones to start the conflicts & wars but they certainly defended themselves and later sought to rout out the enemy from their midst since Arabs rejected the UN partition plan & vowed to "drive the Jews into the sea." So what you Nazism I call survival. Israel is but 1/10th of 1% of the land owned by Arabs in the M.E.
JerrySPsy 2 years ago
@anamacore Settlement building will unfortunately not cease until peace talks are initiated. Palestinians largely do not recognize Israel and therefore do not show up to the peace talks. It's a terrible cycle. Countless lives are lost and everyone's standards of living is poorer in the end.
redarrowhead2 9 months ago
PLO'S member Z. Muhsein, 'Trouw' 31.03.1977:
The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Pal. state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Pal. people, since..we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.
pinamanu 3 years ago
So what, Salvador, Guatemala, Congo and Algeria, were not official states, nor where they different from their neigbors but they gained independence.
Also is that a good excuse to conviscate their homes, farms and busnesses and block them from returning to their homes? Regardless of wether it was official or not, their were people their, and that is simply undeniable.
moosem2s 3 years ago
Palestinians aren't much better off nearly 60 years later...
hsing1 3 years ago 3
Regarding Jews, Muslims and Christians living together in harmony in several eras, I recommend the book 'The Ornament of the World: How Muslims, Jews, and Christians Created a Culture of Tolerance in Medieval Spain,' which I reviewed on Amazon. Good reading!
Amhlair 3 years ago
this is history, we are living now on a era where jews are torturing and stealing the land of a whole nation, and we should respond clearly to this criminal behaviour, not dream of a peaceful life, zionists don't want peace they want us to be enslaved ! and accept whatever they want ! their values are values of terror and torture
Arabsys 3 years ago
I apologize in that I now realize you aren't trying to be deceitful but actually believe the Zionist propaganda.
Regarding the history of Zionism in Palestine I recommend two books: Carter's outstanding 'Palestine Peace Not Apartheid' and the free downloadable book 'The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict' at cactus48 (dot) com. Good reading!
Amhlair 3 years ago
My point is based on historians, and has NEVER been debunked. Instead, books like Carter's'Palestine Peace Not Apartheid', N.Finkelstein's "Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict" have! J.McCarthy's "The Population of Palestine" was debunked several times, read "The Smoking Gun: Arab Immigration into Palestine, 1922-1931" by Fred M. Gottheil. Not to mention Joan Peter "From Time Immemorial", B.Lewis, U.O.Schmelz, R.Bachi,J.Farah & others. I suggest you widen your historical horizons
pinamanu 3 years ago
It's sad that many people out there don't realize how hard it is to be a people with no nation at all. It's sad to see many people dip their hands into other people's faiths and tribes, not knowing that they hurt themselves as well. Those of you who gave negative comments, like pinamanu, you are doing yourself a great injustice. Don't sow hate here, and if Islam isn't palatable to you, that's your problem, not the world's. Peace!
jabdelbaky 3 years ago
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'Palestians' are arabs, egyptians, syrians who immigrated in Palestine AFTER the Jews made it prosper. They have NO RIGHT over palestine. There is no 'palestinian people' in history, ever.The so called 'refugees' were created by arabs, those who remained in Irael got citizenship. The arabs started wars and ALWAYS lost them. Then, they pretend to be the victims and that God is with them! Arabs reap what they sow. Envy, hatred, fanatism, violence, obscurantism, this is all Islam is about.
pinamanu 3 years ago
pinamanu, either you are completely ignorant of the situation or you deliberately lie, in that EVERY sentence in your comment is false. The Palestinian peoples (Christian and Muslim) lived in peace with the Jews of Palestine for 2,000 years until the European atheist socialist Zionists conquered their land and continue to steal it. How cynical that you not only turn a blind eye to their suffering but that you libel their culture and their history. Shame on you!
Amhlair 3 years ago
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Amhlair,
if my comment is false, prove it. I can prove it to be true. There was NEVER such a thing as 'peaceful coexistence' between Muslims and Jews in world history.Just like there was never a 'Palestinian people' living in Palestine 'from time immemorial'. I am happy to send you testimonies of the time, all from arab/not-jewish sources. But I understand that the only reply you can probably contemplate is to accuse me of either 'ignorance' or 'lying'. Not my problem anyway. God bless you.
pinamanu 3 years ago
pinamanu, i would love to see you back up all of those statements. good luck and I hope you die quick
j0hn420 3 years ago
pinamanu,
u seriously need to back up your statement dude. Where have you been studying history? I assume in Israel.
acidgen 3 years ago
Palestinians for Life Refugees until Reurn. Free Palestine.
Naderkj 3 years ago
The refugees must and will return.
reversalasrever 3 years ago
"Then the tragedy of war descended on them.."
Like it was some kind of random happening.
Speaker2idiots 3 years ago
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oooh cry me a river. Ask all those Muslim Sultans and 'princes' with trillions of dollars to build em an house.
LadyAethelflaed 3 years ago
Althoug Ladywhosoever channel has been closed, the general idea of MUCH MORE DONATIONS from SUUUPERRICH OILprinces to the Palestine brothers and sisters seems to be sensible.
But this does not excuse the MURDER OF INNOCENT WOMEN AND KIDS by the jews.
result321 3 years ago 6
horrid
bbproductionsLA 3 years ago
A research report by the Arab-sponsored Institute for Palestine Studies concluded that the majority of the Arab refugees were not expelled and 68% of them "left without seeing an Israeli soldier."
avi087 3 years ago 2
More info on Israel
prothink. org
HugeQuestions. com
iamthewitness. com
sega88 3 years ago
This is not the work of Hebrews of The Bible.
It is the evil of the KHAZAR (fake) JEWS!
READ & LEARN : en(.)wikipedia(.)org/wiki/Khazars
LISTEN & LEARN: /watch?v=Ry37mKMh04U
WATCH & SEE: /watch?v=yzZj889BA4A
WATCH & SEE: /watch?v=Vyi6DmxK1Lo
jobatta 3 years ago
The Khazar canard has been debunked through extensive DNA research; the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are of Germanic descent, some with Arabic genes. According to Halacha (Jewish law) a convert is no less 'Jewish' than a descendant of King David, so the Khazar elite who practiced Judaism were considered Jews.
Also, this video was made while Gaza was under Egyptian occupation; Israel only captured it in June 1967.
ChoofMonster 3 years ago
This is not the work of Hebrews of The Bible.
It is the evil of the KHAZAR (fake) JEWS!
READ & LEARN : en.wikipedia(.)org/wiki/Khazars
LISTEN & LEARN: /watch?v=Ry37mKMh04U
WATCH & SEE: /watch?v=yzZj889BA4A
WATCH & SEE: /watch?v=Vyi6DmxK1Lo
jobatta 3 years ago
abileche 3 years ago
abileche 3 years ago
An amazing historical document very clear about the situation on that moment.
You need more prove?
Why didn't I never see this movie on school or TV?
Dreamingfrom 3 years ago
Dreamingfrom, that is a good question.
rosaryfilms 3 years ago
These are the true facts of The Goldstein Rescue: 1. Rabbi Dr. Goldstein was informed by Israeli intelligence that The Arabs in that mosque were plotting to massacre hundreds - if not thousands - of Jews that day. 2. He entered the mosque to prevent that 9/11 type of event. 3. After he was murdered, the Israeli Defense Forces found the weapons and plans in the mosque. 4. Therefore, Rabbi Dr. Goldstein is a hero for preventing a massacre and taking care of 29 murderers at the same time.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
KAHANEZADAK - I am a Jew and a supporter of Israel, but that is a lie. There were no plans or weapons found, not any indication of such a plan. If Goldstein had knowledge of such a plan, he could have tipped of Israelis authorities. And how would he know of such a plot? He is reviled by Israelis as a fanatical murderer, not a hero
chained2it 3 years ago
You may or may not be a Jew as you claim. As to being a supporter of Israel - with friends like you, we do not need the Syrians. What I wrote is true. If you do not like the truth, that does not make it less true.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
Im certainly a Jew, and a Zionist. But the truth is Goldstein was a psychotic murderer. Like you said, If you dont like the truth, that does not make it less true. If there were plans in that mosque, where is the evidence? Show me a newspaper article, or anything credible other than just your claim. He is most certainly NOT seen as a hero by most Israelis. Everyone he killed in that mosque was part of the plot? And if true, why couldn't he have alerted the authorities? Answer me THAT question.
chained2it 3 years ago
You might be a Jew. If you are a Zionist, I am an emissary of The Pope. You obviously know less than nothing of life in Israel. The Liberators (what the media calls "settlers") are expendable to the Israeli government. I have taught more than 1175 students the truth about Dr. Goldstein. I have also taught my students how to deal with ignorant kapos like you. You should read the work "Baruch HaGever" (then again, you would have to learn Hebrew to do that).
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
A Zionist is someone who supports the existence of the Jewish state of Israel AS a Jewish state, so stick that in your pointed hat, your Holiness. I have family in Tel Aviv. What an arrogant, self-righteous prick you are. Who are you to speak for Zionists or Jews? And I learned Hebrew as a child. Its pretty difficult to get through a Bar Mitzvah otherwise. You are nothing but a fanatic. You "liberators" are as much part of the problem as Hamas. But you can't even answer my basic questions
chained2it 3 years ago
You are a dogmatist and a fanatic. You will learn more if you recognize that someone can have a different opinion than you have without being as evil as Hamas.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
You're pathetic. I am espousing no ideology to be fanatical about. You are an arrogant dogmatist who imagines that he speaks for all Jews. How incredibly arrogant to assume that someone who disagrees with you cannot be a Jew. The majority of Jews, including most Israelis, think far more like I do than you. You know damn well that most Israelis are not in favor of the settlers, so you entirely dishonest to pretend otherwise. YOU are not the standard of "true" Jews
chained2it 3 years ago
Ignorant kapo? I lost family in the camps. Only the worst kind of fascist would use that term against a fellow Jew just because he disagrees with you. Your'e a lowlife disgrace with a Stalinist mentality, and every post reveals you as a fanatic. You want to assault anyone who disagrees with you. No self-repsecting Jew supports murderers. And again, WHERE IS THE PROOF of this so-called plot? You have NOTHING but your own fanatical claims, and NOTHING to bak them up. Either put up, or shut up.
chained2it 3 years ago
1. It is highly unlikely someone filled with as much Jew-hatred as you have lost one relative in the camps (unless they were non-Jewish socialists - that is a possibility).
2. On the unlikely chance that you are not creating these relatives to "prove" your nonsensical argument, I wish to inform you that they are embarrassed by you. They are pleading in Heaven not to be associated with you and praying that you join me and my cause so that they may rise to a higher level of Heaven.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
Jew hatred? You arrogant prick. No Jew would talk to another Jew like that about relatives lost in the Holocaust. You are beneath contempt. If you standing in front of me, I'd shove the yellow Magen David my relatives were forced to wear (still in possession by survivors) down your ignorant throat. Then you could tell me how real it is, scumbag. The only time I hear this kind of rhetoric on youtube is from the abundant anti-semites here. THAT is Jew-hatred and YOU are the embarrassment to Jews
chained2it 3 years ago
You have too much hatred and prejudice in your heart. You must learn to love. You must learn the value in accepting others with whom you do not agree. You must learn that violence is a last resort, not a first one. You adore violence too much. Your relatives in Heaven are so very embarrassed by you. I shall pray that you learn the evil of your ways and repent and that The One Above Accepts your repentence.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
Prejudice? LOL. Spare me your dimestore psychology. Youre an armed settler preaching ethnic cleansing, who supports an act of mass murder - lecturing about nonviolence? NOW you're finding your funny bone. You adore nothing but yourself and your own words. You have no answer to my questions of proof, so you change the subject to your delusional nonsense. You are not worth talking to any further. You are a blatant LIAR who is unable to verify the truth of your hateful claims. Dismissed
chained2it 3 years ago
Dismissed? I can forgive the boorish behaviour of a peasant as I do what I do to serve Him and not my ego. You truly should, though, for your sake, drop the obsession with all things militaristic.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
You are ONLY your ego, which is why you are incapable of honest discussion.
chained2it 3 years ago
Your hatred will not be returned by hatred. I am above that and more emotionally stable than you are. You are not to be hated; you are merely to be pitied (as long as you keep your warped views away from impressionable youg ones).
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
'I am above that and more emotionally stable than you are."
ROTFLMAO! My most sincere apologies for saying our jokes suck. That was truly funny. You? Above hatred, and emotionally stable?
Bwahahahahahahaha!
chained2it 3 years ago
It is my job to teach you, not necessarily to befriend you.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
You have nothing to teach but lies and distortions. Answer my questions, coward
chained2it 3 years ago
I answered your questions. Check the sources (tens of thousands of pages) I cited.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
1. The Original Shamgar Report.
2. The research conducted by Mike Guzofsky.
3. The research conducted by Manfred R. Lehman.
4. The scholarly work: BARUCH HAGEVER.
5. The plans and weapons found in the "mosque" after The Goldstein Rescue.
6. The statements by witnesses taken that day proving the plan for the massacre of Jews.
There is so much evidence of the truth behind The Goldstein Rescue that it is amazing to many impartial historians that any other version can exist.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
Bald- faced liar. I have a copy of the Shamgar Report. Would you like me to send it to you so you can point out the part about an imminent attack from that particular mosque? And the part that explains why the Israeli authorities did made no arrests to prevent such an attack? Or the part that justifies the killing of UNARMED worshippers?
Research? The only valid research is the Shamgar Report, which offers no support to your massacre-approving claim. You are an utterly delusional LIAR,
chained2it 3 years ago
And if there was ANY legitimacy to your claim, then you would be able to rationally lay out your case without resorting to the amateur psychology, ideological nonsense, and dishonest debating. Your childish preaching against my "militarism" etc., demonstrates that you cannot defend your position with anything other than pure, empty rhetorical garbage. You have no real argument to make in defense of your views, so you resort to your condescending projections. You have lost - dismissed
chained2it 3 years ago
To sum up
Goldstein was a murderer
KAHANEZADAK is a shameless liar, and an apologist for a murderer
chained2it 3 years ago
How do you explain the letter from the Shamgar Commission dated April 12, 1994 to Mordechai Sayed relative to Arab weapons found in the "mosque" immediately following the murder of Baruch Goldstein (hy"d)? (That murder - With His Will - will be avenged. Perhaps you do not consider machine guns to be weapons. How do you deal with the report from HaZofeh dated February 27, 1994?
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
Now I am not so certain that you are a high school graduate. I said: The original Shamgar report. Obviously, the copy released by the Israeli government does not contain the truth. I have been stating that to students (approx. 1200) for more than a decade.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
How do you deal with the plethora of witnesses who saw proof that the Arabs in that "mosque" were armed with guns and other weapons?
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
I am not sure you're a grade school graduate, let alone a teacher. I'm sure you didn't learn how to lie in a yeshiva. Perhaps you learned it from the Koran, which justifies lying to further the cause of Islam. Your kind of "Judaism" is taught in madrassas, not yeshivas
chained2it 3 years ago
You clearly would not know a Jewish concept if you tripped over it. What did Moses do when he discovered a Jew-hater beating a Jew?
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
He killed him. Its called self-defense. Who was being beaten in that mosque before Goldstain opened fire, o lying murderer-lover? The obe who initiated the violence was Goldstein. He is a SHAME to most Jews. You have no idea how most Jews think. You are a pariah among your own people, and you know it.
chained2it 3 years ago
Wait. Moses killed in self-defense? Moses was not being beaten. The Arab did not have a gun. He was beating the Hebrew slave with a whip and a stick. That is not a weapon you said. You are so easy to own. My seventh graders have better debate skills and more respect for the truth than you do.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
Actually, I did study the Koran and the Sunna and the Hadith. It is important to understand the other residents of the middle east. Interaction will continue after the population exchange is completed and trade is very important.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
If Israel attempted a forced relocation, it would guarantee a gigantic war with the Muslim world, which is precisely what lunatics like you want. And I can tell you've read the Koran. Like I said, you imitate the tactics of Mohammed
chained2it 3 years ago
Who is talking about a forced relocation? We are talking about the completion of a population transfer. Forced relocation? Ethnic cleansing? You really have violent tendencies. Come to Kiryat Arba or Hevron and learn from the most honorable and peaceful people on Earth. The heroes of the generation. Come. Plant a tree. Build a building. Develop Jewish knowledge and Jewish pride and spread peace and love. Drop your hatred and prejudice. You will feel better and finally make your ancestors proud.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
KahaneZadak -- Kibbutzniks from the turn of the century took arable land from poor peasant tenant Arab farmers. Thats rather funny because the race-based foundation of Zionism created a conundrum with the socialist-leaning Kibbutzniks.
Whats even more funny is a Kahanist like yourself singing praises of a Labor Zionist invention. In the British Mandate You right wingers hated and almost came to shots with the Labor Zionists.
powelltg 3 years ago
Oh, a pseudointellect joins the fray. Whatever problems I have with chained2it, he did not pretend to be a historian. Where is Zionism (=Judaism) race-based? Are the Ethiopian Jews not Jews in your eyes, you racist? Are Yemenite Jews somehow inferior in your eyes because most are darker skinned than many African-Americans? The fact that you judge people based on skin color repulses me.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
Yes KahaneZadak the Falasha (aka "strangers") and Yemenites have always been treated one step above Arabs in Ashkenazi society. In other words like dirt. In fact both said groups were herded like cattle into camps once they were dragged to Israel and there is a joke in Israel among the white Jews about Ethiopians not knowing how to use the toilet.
powelltg 3 years ago
Perhaps that was true fifty years ago among some of the socialistim. Among the heroes in Hevron, Tapuach, Kiryat Arba, Tekoa, etc., I can tell you from personal experience, that is decidedly not true. I would never tell (or even mention) such a vile joke mocking an entire group of people.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
The Arbs have it better in Israel than in any Arab state. The Arabs are upset because there is any state in the middle east that is not an Arab state. They are upset because they fought (rather valiently) for the wrong side in WWII. They are upset that any Jews are still alive in the world.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
powelltg - No one forced Ethiopians or Yemenites to come to Israel, but Israel went to great lengths to get them there. They have MUCH better lives in Israel. Of course there are cultural conflicts, just as there are in ANY culturally diverse nation. They are free to leave if the wish, but they stay in Israel. That says all that needs to be said
chained2it 3 years ago
Also its historical fact that elitist Ashkenazi snobs came & relieved the Arab of his farmland because he wasnt as important as the socialist experiment of Kibbutzim. So dont go s-cking Kibutznik c-ck saying how "peacefully Jewish" they are. Tis a disgrace to all decent Jews everywhere.
Also funny that a Kahanist such as yourself would be lauding Labor Zionists. Do I need to remind you of the often contentious clashes between the 2 sides? Havent you read anything that Jabotinsky wrote or did?
powelltg 3 years ago
I am not now nor have I ever been a Labor Zionist. I am a peaceful hard working Kachnick and freedom-fighter. I model my philosphy after a combination of Martin Luther King, George Washington and David Raziel. Jabotinsky was a giant. Any Arabs removed were removed because they sold their land to the Zionists or directly or indirectly took up arms against others.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
Martin Luther King preached non-violent resistance. No one in the middle east follows that. George Washington was fighting to secure independence. Israel has already done that.
"Any Arabs removed were removed because they sold their land to the Zionists or directly or indirectly took up arms against others"
That's the first thing you've posted that's even partially true.
chained2it 3 years ago
Do not lecture me about Arabs. I understand the Arabs. I respect the Arabs. They truly believe that the land is theirs. They truly believed that they could assist the Nazis in wiping out every Jew. It is not that they do not believe. It is that they want to kill me because I am Jewish (put in whatever code word you want to separate them from the Nazis: it is really because I am semitic or not semitic or Zionist or not a socialist or am a socialist - it has nothing to do with politics).
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
You are simply a racist Jew-hater who also believes that dark-skinned people are simply not as god as Caucasians and I find that philosophy repugnant.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
"dark-skinned people are simply not as god as Caucasians and I find that philosophy repugnant."
You should find it repugnant, but you are the only one making such an argument. Any other fictitious straw men you;d care to set up and argue against? I tell you to make peace with the Palestinians, while you support a man who massacred them. I think the drugs are beginning to effect you negatively. You need to check into rehab to sure your addiction. Drugs have warped your mind.
chained2it 3 years ago
I realize now that you're comments about dark-skinned people wasn't aimed at me. For that alone, i apologize
chained2it 3 years ago
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Israel was the proper place from a theological point of view as well as a pragmatic point of view. For the most part, The Holy Land was empty and desolate. I would be foolhardy if I said that zero Arabs were displaced, but the number of Arabs displaced is negligable compared to the population transfers in India/Pakistan and the Czech/German relocation and nearly every other historical precedent.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
Due to fact that I am responsible for certain weapons, I do not take any mind-altering substances. I very rarely even go near alcohol. It is dangerous to be near weapons if one does drugs.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
"Whatever problems I have with chained2it, he did not pretend to be a historian."
No, but i minored in history. I realize now that you're comments about dark-skinned people wasn't aimed at me. For that alone, i apologize
chained2it 3 years ago
The bottom line is that the Islamofascists want to kill every Jew (they use a different term) and every Christian and fighting them is more important than the fight against the Nazis in WWII.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
"Islamofascists want to kill every Jew " I don;t doubt it. But I highly doubt most Palestinians are Islamofascists, Most just want a homeland, just like israelis do
chained2it 3 years ago
islamofacists, what a great propaganda term. Let me guess, you still believe a bunch of "sandniggers" are the cause of 9/11?
crackahcrackah 3 years ago
Please do not use racist terms. You show disresepect for Arabs and for yourself when you do that. You must drop the hate.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
powelltg - The goal of Zionism is to create a homeland for Jews as a haven against racism. I would have liked to have seen you attempt to explain to the Jews fleeing the refugee camps of Europe, after being liberated from the death camps, that their need for somewhere they could be safe from racists was itself racist. They were nearly obliterated by racists and driven from Europe. They would have gladly continued their lives in Europe, but a little thing called the Holocaust drove them out
chained2it 3 years ago
Of course you are correct in your assertion that aliya rose after WWII compared to pre-1933 rates. Clearly, many victims of the Holocaust would have sadly remained in Poland, Russia, Germany, Austria, Hungary, etc. had the Holocaust not occurred. I request clarification as to how not wishing to be exterminated is racist. There was no other place that would take them (I know, a small percentage escaped to Central America, South America, North America, etc., but nearly every country had quotas.)
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
On this we are on the same page, KAHANEZADAK
chained2it 3 years ago
Moreover, the aforementioned quotas existed before, after and during the war. Research what happened to The Voyage of The Damned. And even after the war, Poland, Hungary and (to a lesser extent) Lithuania had pograms.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
I, as well, should have split up my response. Part of what I wrote to you should have been directed towards powelltg. I meant no confusion. There is enough of that on YOUTUBE without me creating more.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
How about bulldozing some olive groves while the ex-tenets watch? That sounds like a lot more fun!
crackahcrackah 3 years ago
Tenet? As in a principle of faith?
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
If they were carrying arms, then how do you explain the fact that he continued firing for 10 minutes, before he was BEATEN to death? People with firearms tend to use them to defend themselves when being shot at. No one fired back on him. They BEAT him to death, because they were UNARMED. There is a word for shooting unarmed people who are not at that moment attacking you - its called MURDER, not self-defense
chained2it 3 years ago
Even someone like you will concede that the Arabs in that "mosque" were decidedly NOT unarmed. You can say that you believe that it is good in your point of view when your Arabs kill my Jewish brothers and sisters, but at least be honest about the facts of The Goldstein Rescue. If Schindler did a good deed by saving 1100 to 1200 Jews, then Dr. Goldstein, who saved between three and ten times that number according to historians, sure did a great deed.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
If they were armed, they why did none of them shoot Goldstein? Yes, many mosques have been used to stash illegal weapons. So... that justifies opening fire on the worshippers? That means a terrorist attack was imminent within minutes, and would originate from that mosque? That means the IDF could not have raided it and made arrests? No matter how convoluted of an argument you make, even if all you say was true (which it isn't) nothing justifies Goldstein. The authorities could have handled it
chained2it 3 years ago
You did not respond to any of the proof. That is because you can not respond to any of the proof. The life of a Jew from Hevron clearly has no value to you. You must let go of the hate. You will be so much the better person if you do that.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
You didn't offer any proof. Even the report you quote contradicts you. YOU didn't answer my question of why he was beaten to death if they were armed, or why the Israeli authorities didn't handle it, because you can't, because you;re a LIAR
chained2it 3 years ago
Is there any possibility that these weapons were plants? In State driven practices it is known that agents are trained to create the "situation" which they wish the masses to percieve.
crackahcrackah 3 years ago
It really isn;t worth your time to speak with other humans if it can be determined that they are pathological liars. Even in the face of the evidence of their own lies they will continue to lie. It is how they have been conditioned as children. It is literally a programmed behavior response which they would need to have unprogrammed (but of course would they WANT to be honest? If they are adults it should be their choice. The best recourse is to just remember and not waste energy on them.)
crackahcrackah 3 years ago
We can complete this transfer of population (hopefully without the violence that accompanied the transfer of the Jews to Israel - I know that you are rather violent, but I prefer non-violent methods of achieving goals, when feasable). We must formally thank the Arabs for the Jews sent to us in 1948 and give to them what belongs to them: the Arabs in Greater Israel. We also should pay the Arabs for everything they leave behind (after subtracting what the Jews left behind in Arab lands).
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
"I know that you are rather violent"
You defend Goldstein, but post that?
LOL. You need mental help. You are so full of shit your breath stinks
chained2it 3 years ago
You are the type of person who would have castigated Martin Luther King in his day for disturbing the status quo. You must place justice before your own trivial needs. As I tell my beloved students, "Learn to love, learn to live."
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
Why are you even bothering? If you can;t even debate without resorting to such ridiculously asinine dishonest tactics, then you're pathetic. Who are you kidding? Who do you think will read this and be impressed with your idiotic delusional tactics? And Martin Luther King would NEVER favor the forced relocation of people. But don't let that stop you from another moronic post By all means, please continue to make an ass of yourself. You're quite proficient at it
chained2it 3 years ago
If Martin were with us today, I have a feeling he would offer prayers at the monument to Brother Baruch (z"l, hy"d) often.
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
Of course, no self-respecting Jew supports murderers. I do not need an ignorant fool like you to tell me that. Patton and George Washington and Moses and Dr. Goldstein and Joshua and Mickey Marcus all took lives. None of them were murderers. Violence is ALWAYS terrible. Violence is sometimes terribly necessary. Was Truman a murderer?
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago
I understand that you have never studied history (I teach Jewish History to High School age students and you would get an "F" from me) from your comments. Do you think that one can be a Stalinist and a fascist?
KAHANEZADAK 3 years ago