but what exactly causes the mechanical effect? He is talking about quantum waves... what kind of waves they are? Do they have also a mechanical imapact on matter like in classical mechanics?
@Petrhrabal The waves he is talking about are electromagnetic waves all across the spectrum. The mechanical effect is the infinity of varied waves on the outside of the plates, verses the more limited infinity on the inside of the plates. The difference causes the plates to move toward each other. It would have an impact on matter, but the impact is very small. For example, this is thought to be a reason why the universe is expanding faster and faster.
A good book on understanding orders of infinity and how one set of infinity can be larger than another is 'The Mystery of the Aleph' by Amir D. Aczel.
If only half integer multiples can cause this, shouldn't their movement towards each other be quantized? If not so, then there will be a point where we wont have a half integer multiple. Hence, the effect will lose its existence, the moment it comes into existence and moves the first, smaller than half integer fraction of wave, towards the other plate.
@AlmightyGTR The half integer multiples are used more to defined some of the conditions of the infinity found on the inside of the plates. It's a way of determining what sort of waves one might find inside on the inside of the plates. The outside is not bound by the 'half integer multiple' boundary condition, and may freely push the plates until they contact.
@AlmightyGTR Also, keep in mind that all the waves traveling around these plates have different wavelengths. Even if you hit that multiple for certain wavelengths, there will still be waves that aren't a half integer multiple, thus the force would still exist.
@ajkelly451 To prove my statement wrong, that is exactly what I was thinking. Because, there is a possibility of an infinitesimal difference between the pre-existing wavelengths. They will slowly approach to the next half multiple of the wave, which (in assumption) initiated the effect. And then the cycle continues till the plates are close enough for no wave to exist between them. Of course, at that kind of close proximity other forces will come into play, rendering this effect as negligible.
@AlmightyGTR Well stated. But I would also argue (as is my nature) that at such a proximity, wouldn't the effect still be significant since there would be no wavelengths of radiation within the boundary of the plates and infinitely many outside of them? Or am I missing something here?
@ajkelly451 You are very right, the effect will grow stronger, but (a very big but) the new forces which will come into play, will be way too strong. And they will render this effect negligible in comparison. I am trying to mention inter and intra atomic forces.
Atomic wind. I would not say a smaller or lesser infinity generates pressure. I would more likely say that the rate of one infinity is faster or slower than the rate of another infinity and the difference between the rates generates outer to inner pressure.
If this effect arises out of differences in vacuum energy, why is it important that the plates are highly conductive and grounded? I've read an article that states the same happens with mirrors, and as far as I know they're not conductive?
@marltej6 It has to do with blocking or reflecting electromagnetic waves. Grounded conducting plates and mirrors work well on parts of the spectrum, so they're natural choices for this kind of project.
@yasiru89 I looked long and hard to find the full lecture but never could. The gentleman in this clip is a Berkeley Professor named Alex Filippenko whom frequently appears on the history channel show "The Universe". If your interested in these kinds of subjects you might look under his name here on youtube. I know of several lectures he is in over about a hour in length. Other guys you can look up are Lawrence Krauss, Roger Penrose, Neil Degrasse Tyson, or Michio Kaku, to name a few.
@Raezene Appreciate your response. I found a specific one on the Casimir effect on here. Try at watch?v=12yjbyunRdM. Thanks for your suggestions. Cheers!
To prove or disprove this theory then maybe they should do the experiment in a totally shielded vacuum enclosure. One which is grounded and metal coated and insulated from all vibrations electromagnetic or otherwise.
@Raezene I would hope it's understood. I cant wait for my Casimir-O-Effect in my collection. Flip a switch, and watch as two plates move towards each other. Keep it next to my Newton's cradle and watch what happens in a consistent manner. Check the temperature of the room with Galileo's thermostat.
So the experimental phenomena is this: You have two plates a distance from each other. These two plates are in a vacuum. These two plates move towards each other. That's the experimental findings, or the Casimir effect.
@ExpensiveGun In this case the two infinities are a positive infinity, and a negative infinity. One going infinitely low, the other going infinitely high, and it's in this way the infinities of the areas differ.
@casadejoey Piezoelectricity is a interesting idea on how to extract possible usable energy, but the lattice would need to take the place of the plates. The pressure difference would act as the mechanical energy feeding the piezoelectric effect. The amount of energy gained would be very small, but as long as we are talking about hypothetical ideas a room temperature superconductor could make some use of the very low voltage gained.
@Raezene A room temperature superconductor walks into a bar, the bartender says "We dont serve any superconductors in this bar". The room temperature superconductor leaves without putting up any resistance.
You did well with this. great insight into the fact that energy is all around us.
FujiSatori 3 weeks ago
I think UFO's float in this order
bajagreatwhitesharks 3 weeks ago
but what exactly causes the mechanical effect? He is talking about quantum waves... what kind of waves they are? Do they have also a mechanical imapact on matter like in classical mechanics?
Petrhrabal 1 month ago
@Petrhrabal The waves he is talking about are electromagnetic waves all across the spectrum. The mechanical effect is the infinity of varied waves on the outside of the plates, verses the more limited infinity on the inside of the plates. The difference causes the plates to move toward each other. It would have an impact on matter, but the impact is very small. For example, this is thought to be a reason why the universe is expanding faster and faster.
Raezene 4 weeks ago
A good book on understanding orders of infinity and how one set of infinity can be larger than another is 'The Mystery of the Aleph' by Amir D. Aczel.
bennymalone 1 month ago
If only half integer multiples can cause this, shouldn't their movement towards each other be quantized? If not so, then there will be a point where we wont have a half integer multiple. Hence, the effect will lose its existence, the moment it comes into existence and moves the first, smaller than half integer fraction of wave, towards the other plate.
AlmightyGTR 1 month ago
@AlmightyGTR The half integer multiples are used more to defined some of the conditions of the infinity found on the inside of the plates. It's a way of determining what sort of waves one might find inside on the inside of the plates. The outside is not bound by the 'half integer multiple' boundary condition, and may freely push the plates until they contact.
Raezene 4 weeks ago
@AlmightyGTR Also, keep in mind that all the waves traveling around these plates have different wavelengths. Even if you hit that multiple for certain wavelengths, there will still be waves that aren't a half integer multiple, thus the force would still exist.
ajkelly451 3 weeks ago
@ajkelly451 To prove my statement wrong, that is exactly what I was thinking. Because, there is a possibility of an infinitesimal difference between the pre-existing wavelengths. They will slowly approach to the next half multiple of the wave, which (in assumption) initiated the effect. And then the cycle continues till the plates are close enough for no wave to exist between them. Of course, at that kind of close proximity other forces will come into play, rendering this effect as negligible.
AlmightyGTR 3 weeks ago
@AlmightyGTR Well stated. But I would also argue (as is my nature) that at such a proximity, wouldn't the effect still be significant since there would be no wavelengths of radiation within the boundary of the plates and infinitely many outside of them? Or am I missing something here?
ajkelly451 3 weeks ago
@ajkelly451 You are very right, the effect will grow stronger, but (a very big but) the new forces which will come into play, will be way too strong. And they will render this effect negligible in comparison. I am trying to mention inter and intra atomic forces.
AlmightyGTR 3 weeks ago
@AlmightyGTR Oh yes of course, thank you for clearing that up.
ajkelly451 3 weeks ago
Atomic wind. I would not say a smaller or lesser infinity generates pressure. I would more likely say that the rate of one infinity is faster or slower than the rate of another infinity and the difference between the rates generates outer to inner pressure.
Anothercoilgun 1 month ago
If this effect arises out of differences in vacuum energy, why is it important that the plates are highly conductive and grounded? I've read an article that states the same happens with mirrors, and as far as I know they're not conductive?
marltej6 1 month ago
@marltej6 It has to do with blocking or reflecting electromagnetic waves. Grounded conducting plates and mirrors work well on parts of the spectrum, so they're natural choices for this kind of project.
Raezene 1 month ago
@Raezene Thank you very much for uploading this. Could you tell me what it's from (to see if it's something I can get on DVD or something)?
yasiru89 1 month ago
@yasiru89 I looked long and hard to find the full lecture but never could. The gentleman in this clip is a Berkeley Professor named Alex Filippenko whom frequently appears on the history channel show "The Universe". If your interested in these kinds of subjects you might look under his name here on youtube. I know of several lectures he is in over about a hour in length. Other guys you can look up are Lawrence Krauss, Roger Penrose, Neil Degrasse Tyson, or Michio Kaku, to name a few.
Raezene 1 month ago
@Raezene Appreciate your response. I found a specific one on the Casimir effect on here. Try at watch?v=12yjbyunRdM. Thanks for your suggestions. Cheers!
yasiru89 1 month ago
@yasiru89 Thank you for the link! Definitely a keeper.
Raezene 1 month ago
O-o, now I’m talking about infinities again :]]]
InSiDev 1 month ago
To prove or disprove this theory then maybe they should do the experiment in a totally shielded vacuum enclosure. One which is grounded and metal coated and insulated from all vibrations electromagnetic or otherwise.
fairlanejay 2 months ago
@TheApollo81 In a nutshell that's the Casimir Effect, as it's understood so far.
Raezene 2 months ago
@Raezene I would hope it's understood. I cant wait for my Casimir-O-Effect in my collection. Flip a switch, and watch as two plates move towards each other. Keep it next to my Newton's cradle and watch what happens in a consistent manner. Check the temperature of the room with Galileo's thermostat.
TheApollo81 2 months ago
So the experimental phenomena is this: You have two plates a distance from each other. These two plates are in a vacuum. These two plates move towards each other. That's the experimental findings, or the Casimir effect.
TheApollo81 2 months ago
How can there be different amounts of infinity? Isn't infinity infinite?
ExpensiveGun 2 months ago
@ExpensiveGun In this case the two infinities are a positive infinity, and a negative infinity. One going infinitely low, the other going infinitely high, and it's in this way the infinities of the areas differ.
Raezene 2 months ago
@ExpensiveGun
for example
real numbers are a bigger set than the integers
both are infinite though
konstantinosmei 2 months ago
Does the attraction force between places increase when the plates are at minimal distance of one another? Thanks
conradela 3 months ago
@conradela Yes, in that the negative attractive force is increased when distance is decreased.
Raezene 3 months ago
so the plates are our conditionings of reality and so forth richt?
trineural2012 3 months ago
i search this because of VSAUCE XD
danjoelabrenica 3 months ago 5
this is a ridiculously awesome explanation. definitely a step up from the NOVA mention that got me to google the Casimir effect. thanks!
uptohisneck 3 months ago
Could you use a lattice crystaline structure between the plates to create piezoelectricity? Or is the force negligible?
casadejoey 4 months ago
@casadejoey Piezoelectricity is a interesting idea on how to extract possible usable energy, but the lattice would need to take the place of the plates. The pressure difference would act as the mechanical energy feeding the piezoelectric effect. The amount of energy gained would be very small, but as long as we are talking about hypothetical ideas a room temperature superconductor could make some use of the very low voltage gained.
Raezene 4 months ago
@Raezene A room temperature superconductor walks into a bar, the bartender says "We dont serve any superconductors in this bar". The room temperature superconductor leaves without putting up any resistance.
Tiwaking 4 months ago 2
@Tiwaking lmao, thank you for the nerd humor.
Raezene 3 months ago
My band is named "The Casimir Effect!!"
anthonyjohnston23 6 months ago
@anthonyjohnston23 my name is d johnston and thats were the weird link ends
derek15476 6 months ago
@derek15476
uhh okay
anthonyjohnston23 6 months ago