And look at how arrogant we westerners really are. The Chinese dared fight back against our imperialism and we called them "Rebels". What kind of twisted double-speak backwards logic is that?? We were Invaders...
Double-hulled ships? Columbus didn't use double hulls when he discovered America, Magellan didn't use double hulls when he circumnavigated the earth. As far as I know, double hulls are a very recent (20th century) safety add-on and it's not something that would have been used by European sea explorers or early travellers as it also has some disadvantages. When and how Chinese used it, I don't know, but you would have to provide some concrete xamples of "technology transfer" in that regard...
Paper? Sure, credit goes where credit is due, no one claims paper isn't a Chinese invention. But apart from that fact, you say without paper no education? In Europe papyrus was used in ancient times and in medieval times parchment was used. The first universities in the world were established in Europe using books made of parchment, without a single sheet of paper. Paper facilitated later mass production of books because of its cheapness but in no way was paper a prerequisite for education...
@unapologeticmind Paper allows ideas and knowledge to be stored much easier and to be spread much quicker. Even you said so yourself, parchments were extremely expensive. How many sheep or goats do you have to kill in order to make enough parchments to make a book?? Paper is lighter and cheaper to make, the fact that paper is cheaper allowed even the poor to access reading materials which had been impossible when expensive parchments were the only option they had.
@devilhunterred Paper no doubt facilitated the spread of learning but it did not initiate or depend on it. Gutenberg's press was used with parchment initially as well as paper. Parchment was expensive but unlike paper it could also be extensively reused and reusage of parchment had a long tradition. Without paper, there would simply have been greater efforts at skin collection and higher reusage of parchment. It would have slowed but not stopped the progress of literacy which was well under way.
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These Chinese are not rebels , they are Chinese Heroes. So don't call rebellion, call Chinese revolution against stupid ,cowards 8 nations. They don't dare to fight Chinese patriotic men one by one. Shame on you cowards 8 nations.
@ManjuSu hahaa that tank is by far inferior to the challanger 2 and leopard 2,
the gun stabilization is weak, as you can see, when the tank travels over rough terrain the gun bounces up and down because of its low profile it cant shoot very far...
it is very expensive,
ok, it has a slightly higher max speed and operation radius but the leopard 2 is by far superior
and then i didnt even compare it to the challenger 2!
sorry but you got a long way to go to beat our tanks
@bartieboy93 Either you have watched the video of the Type 99 (which is actually a 96) vs. the Japanese type 90 or either you don't know anything about the Type 99KM. Does the Leopard 2 or Challenger 2 have a new modular active protection system? A JD-4 Laser Defence System? an engine of 2100hp? Or a 155mm gun capable of firing Kinetic rounds? I bet that no tank in service ever had or has something like these. And I didn't even mention its weight!
maybe you didnt know but a high weight is not a positive thing!
its harder to transport, and many roads cant handle a lot of weight.
now you do know that that pretty engine is from germany right?
the chineese simply dont have enough experience in the tank building business yet. the gun is only 125mm
its simple, the type 99 is a tank that takes a lot of good things from other tanks but it just doesnt work out... and besides you only have a couple of those
@bartieboy93 The Type 99KM's weight is 75 tons but it's still capable of achieving a max speed of 80 km/h, which is still fast (if you compare it to the other tanks in service). The engine of the Type 99A2 is German and that of the Type 99KM is domestically developed. And we're not talking here about the plain Type 99, it's about the recently improved version of the Type 99A2 (Type 99KM) which has a 155mm gun instead of a 125mm one.
@bartieboy93 And it would be logical that we only have 200 Type 99KM's since only one unit costs around 19.1 million USD. The largest amount of tanks there are in the PLA are the Type 96G's; which are still pretty decent.
@utuberocks34342135 Most Christian missionaries were very opposed to the opium trade. Also, lots of Chinese smugglers helped the British in the drug trade. The leader of the Taiping was a madman who thought he was Jesus Christs brother. Not evidence of any actual Christian.
@utuberocks34342135 Of course the missionaries were a danger. If you ask me all religion is a danger. But your claim that the 8 nations wouldn't fight China one on one are ridiculous. If China truly tried to fight it would have been crushed. Europe controlled about 90% of the globe at that point and its militaries were unmatched.
@andyhwang2009 Yuan Shi Kai and plenty of other warlords fought the Boxers. If there wasn't so much disunity, the Boxers might have at least fought the Eight Nations to a stalemate.
@andyhwang2009 If men fought one on one all it would take would be one smart man to stab them all in the back and claim victory. The archaic chivalrous notions you describe are dead. But on the other account you are absolutely right. It wasn't a rebellion. It was an uprising. As for whether they are heroes... whether someone is a hero is entirely a matter of perspective.
China has dreams . China dreams are (1) to occupy UK for Opium Wars (1839) (1856) and boxer revolution.(2) To occupy Japan for 1895 China -Japan war , 1900 boxer revolution , Nanking Massacre in China in 1937 and other Japan massacres in China from 1931- 1945 and (3) To occupy Indonesia for Indonesia Muslims who bullied and killed many Chinese Indonesians(1965- 1998).
@andyhwang2009 well china can go ahead and try but as soon as they will i am very sure that the rest of europe and the northern america's will help and if they do china wont stand a chance
@bartieboy93 China has no interest in conquering Japan, Europe or the rest of the world. Europes immigration policy has led to an invasion by Muslims while part of the U.S. here are being demographically taken over by Mexican Reconquistas.
@andyhwang2009 Thats absolutely ridiculous. Occupy the UK? A nation on the other side of the world? Protected by the most powerful nations on the earth? Not happening. Even if China somehow managed to transport their army to Britain and somehow through a miracle of divine proportions managed to defeat British solders on their own soil, EU troops, and American forces all at the same time. They would never be able to maintain an occupation.
@alessiaaa94 White had no incentives to destroy China. The Chinese Qing government was the balance of power. If Qing government is gone, what do you think will happen next? Britain, France, Germany, US, Japan, Russia, etc, will fight eachother to see who controls the vacuum of power. The colonial powers had no wish to start a war with eachother, the result will be too costly. They needed the Qing there to maintain that balance.
sure they have no interest to detroy china, but they can make partition of china and colonize it, for avoid a potential danger, but they don't. after wwii, china was freed by allied, and let it independent, sure they can colonize and with the new weapon (atomic) they can even reduce population, but they dont, they even permitt china to invade tibet, so what china get, came from tollerance of whites, and now they pay us with arrogance, sadly
@alessiaaa94 Colonizing a country is the same as effectively destroying the country's government. China was only independent because the CCP defeated the GMD in the Chinese civil war, if GMD won today's China would be a US puppet, very much like Korea and Japan are. And China after WWII was backed by the USSR and became a nuclear power, hence why US didn't dare do anything against China. It has nothing to do with Western tolerance, you need to learn some actual history kid.
no, i don't think, japan is so because as been occupied, and however because asia at the time have no good alternatives, japan always say that what to "leave asia" because the west have the civilization, so then korea follow, and how china too
sure china after wwii at the tokyo trial, crying for punishment for japanese occupation, and then start to occupy tibet, what an hipocrisy
the real power of china is even not the demographic, is tolerance of white cointries,look at this rebellion
no, i dont think they do that, hwr look at these rebellion, few soldiers defeat an empire, 29.000 whites defeat about 350.000 boxers and imperial troop, plus half a billion hostile chinese, now west permitt to china to sell is low-cost product, and uncorrect maket (millions slave-workers in the lagolai), china go to the tokyo trial asking for hard-punish for japanese, and immidiately after invaded tibet, what an hipocrisy !!!!!
@alessiaaa94 Wrong on all counts. nearly 60,000 European and Japanese troops defeated 380,000 Boxers and imperial troops who were OFTEN FIGHTING EACH OTHER as much as they were fighting the foreign forces. The 300 million peasants were mostly unarmed and powerless and prevented from taking up arms by the Qing who feared them.
@devilhunterred The West eventually did start a war with one another during World War One. The Russians and Japanese fought a major war in 1904 over their clashing imperial ambitions in China.
But surely something is missing? Long ago China was a great culture and more advanced than Roman Civilisation however historically it seams to have somehow gone backwards. No doubt it's big yet it is becoming more like America and less like its glorious past - It's loosing its elegance.
@ncacace No. Both Han China and Rome were among the most advanced of their time. So mush so that both sides tried to form an alliance but the Parthians who were the third power were too formidable and were able to prevent direct links.
Sure China makes things but they do not create. I don't get it. It's as if they are losing there soul. It's as though, being wealthy, they posses all the paint but no one knows how to paint. They can copy any painting they would find in the Louvre yet they cannot create a new painting.
I hope I'm not upsetting anyone as this is a completely impartial observation - I admire many of the Chinese cultures past achievements though I feel that it has lost its way.
@ncacace All cultures go through change. Some for better, some for worst. After three hundred years of misery, the Chinese have every right to view wealth and prosperity as a form of security.
There is no wealth without culture. They will only acquire what you can hold in your hand - They are becoming as a country like the proverbial King Midas.
They will never be wealthy only rich and soulless. Uninspired they will condemn themselves to a life in Limbo.
Such a shame for a culture that gave us the philosophy of yin and yang - but that was long ago and since China has lost its way. They have lost their balance and are becoming more 'westernised' than the west.
@ncacace Do you prefer the 'culture' of decline and tyranny under the Qing or the mass murder and starvation of Mao? The Chinese have always been capitalistic except that merchants were given low standing in Confucian society. Wealth is power and security. Better to have that than stick to outmoded values which led to decline, weakness, and mass misery and deaths.
Absolutely - As I said China WAS great but has declined ever since. Even now as they have the potential they continue to move in the wrong direction only faster towards cultural decline.
@ncacace We will have to agree to disagree. The optimism and energy coming from China now is exciting to behold. So what if they lose their Confucian ethos thought I do admit to admiring the rebellious nature of Taoism.
It is a mistake to deal in absolutes. The extremism of Religion during the Bubonic Plague thrust Europe into isolation and the Dark Ages. Extremest Muslim religions today are doing the same damage.
There is no need to forget who you are in order to move forward. Many of Asia's adopted philosophical ethos by western companies have helped bring them in to the 21st century creating a more heuristic working environment.
This heuristic working environment mutually benefits all by promoting an atmosphere more conducive to creativity and innovation. IBM's failure to adopt this working environment eventually led to their demise.
@ncacace China wasn't great, it was THE most advanced and powerful nation on Earth from 4th to the 16th century. If you actually studied ancient history you will see that a lot of European "inventions" and "innovations" were actually inspired and originated from China in the first place, and spread to Europe through the Silk Road or other trading routes. There is no cultural decline in China, there is a spread of western cultural influence but Chinese culture still remains the dominant doctrine
@devilhunterred There's a lot of mythmaking and unwarranted pride behind the alleged transmission of Chinese inventions. Apart from a few inventions like paper, Chinese inventions rarely made their way to Europe and China never played a major role in the technical and scientifical development of Europe unlike the major influence Europe had in China from the 16th century. China was and remained a highly insular and isolated society interested only in what was within its immediate horizon...
@unapologeticmind I will name you a "few" Chinese inventions that made their way to Europe: Paper, compass, double-hulled ships, rockets, fireworks, gunpowder, cannons, muskets, noodle, stamps, silk, tea, movable block printing, paper money, porcelain, Indian ink, I can go on and on, but youtube only allows me to type so much in one reply. Go to wikipedia and search Chinese inventions, it will take you hours to read through all of them, and some inventions are dated in 21st century.
@unapologeticmind It's true that a lot of inventions and discoveries in the scientific enlightenment era were made exclusively in the West, but you forget that it was China who made all these possible, because it was China that essentially built the foundations for civilizations to progress. Without paper, there would be no education. Without ink, there would be no writing. Without compass, there would be no navigation. Without gunpowder, there would be no modern constructions.
@devilhunterred Wikipedia, yousay? "Many ancient cultures around the world have independently discovered and formulated inks for the purposes of writing and drawing. In ancient Rome, atramentum was used"... "The compass was invented in ancient China around 247 B.C., and was used for navigation by the 11th century. The dry compass was invented in medieval Europe around 1300."...
"Around 1450, Johannes Gutenberg introduced what is generally regarded as an independent invention of movable type in Europe, along with innovations in casting the type based on a matrix and hand mould. Compared to woodblock printing, movable-type pagesetting was quicker and more durable for alphabetic scripts. Today, practically all movable-type printing ultimately derives from Gutenberg's movable-type printing, which is often regarded as the most important invention of the 2nd millennium."
@unapologeticmind Do some research on Zheng He and his voyages to Africa. By 13th century China had the largest and most technological sophisticated ships the world has ever seen. Europe didn't have the equivalents until 17th century. And Columbus didn't discover American continent. He was the first European to colonize it and claim to have discovered it. But Vikings and Native Americans have discovered the continents several centuries prior.
@devilhunterred Zheng He used ships that were great for travels along known trade routes. Columbus and Magellan used smaller and more navigable vessels which made more sense for open sea exploration. Double hulls can create imbalance in rough weather and big ships wouldn't have made it through narrow straits. Obviously, Spain and Portugal, just recently liberated from Moorish rule, did not a massive amount of wealth to build extravagant fleets but for their current purposes they did not need to.
@unapologeticmind Note that I'm not saying that double hulls were at all known to Europeans in the Middle Ages, as far as I know it wasn't. I'm just pointing out that even had they known it through Chinese or by other means it would have been of no or little use for their given needs during that time...
@devilhunterred China, the most advanced civilization from the 4th century? I doubt it very much. In the 6th century, the Byzantines built the Hagia Sophia church and issued a body of Roman law that is still being used as the legal framework in most of the world today (including China). They also housed the famous neo-Platonic acacdemy, invested a lot in education, provided running water for their citizens, etc. The Byzantines were by no means less advanced than the Chinese in the 6th century.
@unapologeticmind Actually China was the first civilization that puts an emphasis on education. It was China who first invented the Imperial Examinations as an integral part of the government infrastructure in selecting government officials based on their educational standards and academic achievements, unlike their European counterparts who were simply appointed their positions through nepotism.
@devilhunterred The idea that China was more advanced than the west in the past and it was only throught the use of chinese inventions that the west advanced is a myth!! This myth was created by chinese supermacists and the propaganda of subsequent depostic governments Imperial and communist) used to make the chinese feel better than they really were.
@myalla88 Idiot. The Chinese had advanced guns and the most advanced navy until the mid Qing (1750). Without China, you wouldn't have guns, because China invented the gun. China also invented the first machine gun. Calling people ''Communists'' is no way to prove anything.
@SHUTUPNOOB654 Chinese invented machine guns? Well, it's funny then that both the Japanese and Chinese adopted European firearms. Obviously something was missing in that Chinese machine gun ;) By extrapolating you can always make farfetched and all-inclusive claims.
Chinese invented gunpowder and were by all accounts first to experiment with firearms but they never made them into standard weapons of warfare. And for a very good reason, namely, they couldn't create sturdy and reliable firearms.
@unapologeticmind Wrong. China had the most advanced guns well until the 1700s. Then the dynasty at the time, stopped using firearms, ordered that they were to not be produced anymore, and used traditional weapons instead. That is how China became so weak in the 1800s. The first machine gun was not an actual gun, but a repeating crossbow that could shoot 100s of arrows an minute.
@myalla88 China WAS more advanced than the West from 6-17th century. This is a fact, not a myth, all historians agree with this. China has been the oldest, longest running, most developed, richest and most powerful superpower for majority of human history. Decline of China came from self-isolation and growing conservative ideals in the Court and society at large.
This isn't propaganda from Chinese education. Even western history textbooks and academic papers write this.
@devilhunterred During the "Dark Ages" China was more developed due to chaos and loss of prior existing knowledge in Europe. This "superiority" was in many ways a fictitous one because European knowledge never completely disappeared while OTOH Chinese knowledge never gained what Europe already knew and would start to disseminate again during the 15th century Renaissance, like for instance the scientific method, abstract math, highly accurate cosmology, knowledge of the Earth's sphericity, etc...
@devilhunterred China had a better administration for many centuries compared to western Europe during the Dark Ages, also higher wealth, literacy and agricultural output, there's no doubt about that...
However, one could argue that even the Aztecs had better administration and wealth than much of tumultous and wartorn Europe during the worst periods of the Dark Ages, yet that would not explain away the fact that the Aztecs were in terms of overall progress millenia behind Dark Age Europe...
@devilhunterred So, to say that one is more advanced than the other, one has to define what is more advanced. Science? Engineering? Philosophy? Agriculture? You have to pinpoint what you mean by advanced, because in some very crucial aspects China never even approached, much less surpassed, the level Europe had achieved and maintained even during the Dark Ages...
@unapologeticmind I will say it again, China was the most advanced civilization in the world until the 17th century. To say that dark age Europe is more developed than China is an utter joke. When Marco Polo visited China in the 12th century, he was completely astonished by Chinese engineering marvels such as the Great Canal, Great Wall, Forbidden Palace, Chinese had an irrigation system to support their 4 yields annual agricultural output.
@devilhunterred you sound like the blacks saying the same stuff about africa, the indians and native americans all saying how they had civilisation and whitey is the devil, well guess what I dont beleive ya we civlised you and gave you technology
@Jimmyretired Guess who gave Europe gunpowder? silk? tea? paper? noodle? cannons? fireworks? And several thousands other Chinese inventions that were spread to Europe.
@devilhunterred For instance, like I've already pointed out China never developed a scientific method and while China possesed an incredibly rich written culture, even in terms of culture China started to look rigid and backward already compared to 15th century renaissance Italy.
The social, cultural, artistic and scientific changes that were taking place in the 15th century in Europe, despite the continuing chaos with wars against Arabs, Turks, etc, were not even on the horizon in China...
@unapologeticmind China had cities with population in the hundreds of thousands, which was unheard of at the time in Europe. Even so, Chinese enjoyed the highest standards of living in the world, while Europe was still waged in war between petty kingdoms. Chinese artisans produced the finest porcelain in the world, nothing in Europe was comparable. Chinese porcelain became so widely sought after in Europe they began simply to be called, "China".
@Jimmyretired how the fuck did England invent noodles ( let alone everything else) even the the capability to mass manufacture books came from china ( seeing that the Chinese invented printing) so hence the spreading of knowledge and mass education i.e. schools and universities would have NEVER happened without china
@thugugbob Nope, the first form of printing was invented in China. Many of the inventions you fools take for granted were actually invented in China thousands of years ago, and some ''white'' people think they invented it now, because they are very advanced. That is usually the case, anyways.
@SHUTUPNOOB654 Well the Chinese form of printing didn't affect the west however. To be honest, its China's fault that it fell so far behind. It is now Europe's own fault for falling behind after it controlled around 90% of the globe. It is now Amercia's fault for falling behind as it tries to hang onto its remnants of regional hegemony. There's no point in clinging to past glories. China may be on the rise, but even if it does take the US's place on the world state it too is doomed to fall.
@thugugbob you know how difficult it was to obtain books back in Greek and Roman times? with out the Chinese whom invented paper and printing how can you mass educate the populace with out any means to efficiently distribute knowledge
@devilhunterred If you'd like to start bragging go and have a look for a moment at the achievements of the Roman Empire compared to Han China. One of these i remember off the top of my head is the fact that a single Roman Imperial mining province produced more gold and silver annually than the entirety of the Han Empire. Why? Hydraulic mining.
You can of course contrast this with claims of Chinese state continuity, wealth, literacy, agricultural output, etc, and much of that is of course true, but nevertheless the fact remains that even while China prospered economically it never developed the basic and necessary things that made possible the era of enlightenment, the scientific and the industrial revolutions in Europe...
@unapologeticmind China was one of the most advanced nations in the world, militarily, philosophically, and economically. They missed the industrial revolutions because the government in China at the time stopped trying to develop the country, taking traditions instead. That is why China was not a very good place in the 1800s.
@unapologeticmind When Marco Polo returned to Europe and described the riches, the structures, the Great Canal, prosperity and the technologies in China, no one believed, because they have never seen such things or anything close. But amongst many things he brought back from his stay in China, there was Chinese noodle. It was later adopted and transformed in to Spaghetti in Italy :)
@devilhunterred My point being, you're stretching the time frame when China could be considered to have had an administrative and societal edge over Europe. The Byzantines regressed in the 7th century because of the Arab invasions, so from the 7th century and several centuries onwards China could be considered to be the center of progress. As for power, don't forget that the nomadic Mongols overran China just as nomadic Arabs had overrun the Byzantines. "Advanced" does not equal "powerful"...
@unapologeticmind If you studied military history, you would know for a fact that China already had the largest military on earth since the Tang Dynasty in the 5th century. Chinese population at the time already exceeded millions, which was a number completely unheard of in Europe. Not to mention China had already invented steel weapons and repeating crossbows, two superweapons of the ancient world which Europe didn't have until the Medieval ages.
@devilhunterred Also, crucially, China never developed something akin to the Scientific Method nor did the Chinese discover that the world was a sphere that you could cirumnavigate, two absolutely crucial factors in later European development... It's a very telling fact that the Europeans had to discover the value of as well as introduce Indian numerals in China even though India was just around the corner to China, instead Chinese maths regressed further due to the invention of the abacus...
@unapologeticmind Abacus was invented in China in the second century BC, according to wikipedia. I fail to see how it could have had any negative effect on Chinese development of mathematics, which had always been a pioneering and significant force until the late Qing Dynasty. The Indian numerals were not a significant mathematic invention, as almost all civilizations had their own version of recording numbers. The Indian way was just a universal doctrine adopted by rest of the world.
@devilhunterred Also, the Indians had in the early first millenium AD learnt from the Greeks about the Earth's sphericity, I'm sure the Chinese could had they had a little curiosity and openness have learnt this in turn from the Indians, but this just shows how insular China was. It was only when the Jesuits missionaries arrived in the late 16th century the the Earth's sphericity finally became a known fact in China...
@unapologeticmind China lost to the Mongols because of its internal fractures and issues divided up its military, preventing it to be efficient. Even so, the Chinese culture and influence are so overwhelmingly powerful that within a few generations even the Mongol conquerors themselves had completely integrated into the Chinese society and adopted the identity of Chinese.
@devilhunterred My point was simply that scientific advancements and numerical superiority do not always equal "power". Mongols overran China with their horseback cavalry, nomadic Arabs defeated technologically and numerically superior Byzantine forces by applying hit-and-run strategy on horseback in a desert environment in which they were at home. Same with the Turks, etc. Bottom line, the Chinese were defeated by the Mongols despite being numerically and technologically superior...
@ncacace You forget that China invented paper, compass, gunpowder, bell, ink, silk, stamps, saddle, double hull ships, fireworks, cannons, muskets, rockets, and several THOUSANDS other inventions that created the foundation for modern civilizations. China today is actually one of the leading innovators and pioneers in rocketry, space, solar power and green energy technologies. It just proves how little you know about the second most powerful nation in the world.
@ncacace Today China is the second largest economy in the world, the largest creditor to American debts, and the largest investor in Africa and South America, responsible for billions worth of projects in those areas. And the West isn't united, even EU for most matters oppose the US, and vice versa. You are extremely naive with your political views.
@ncacace I think you forget that China is the most ancient and longest continuous civilization in the history of mankind. There were other great ancient civilizations such as ancient Greece, Romans, Aztecs, Mayans, Babylons, Mesompotamia, etc, but only China and Egypt remained standing for over 5000 years while all the others had fallen. Whether you like it or not, China will remain standing until the end of time. If 5000 years of warfare can't destroy China, I don't think anything else can.
Rubbish - The egyptians where using papyrus 3000 years before so it only counts as a variation. It took the germans to come up with the printing press which is what really revolutionised the technology.
I guess by deduction you would argue that the micro computer was an inovation of the Abucus - Anyway.....
@devilhunterred ....My argument was that China was great but no longer inovates only produces.
Germany leads the world in photovoltics which you would not have without nano tech ie Nuclear phics imagery. Enough retoric - Before you make comments you should research your sources buddy.
I am not trying to put China down as a country. I am trying to make the point that they where once great because of their culture.....
@devilhunterred ... which I have a deep respect for - However I believe culturally they are a shadow of there former selves - Like Egyptians, Greeks and Muslim Cultures.
@lcddg The west, a continent? You might mean Europe but only a few European countries engaged China during that time. Even if you for some reason would compare the whole of Europe with China, China would territorially be equal to Europe but in terms of population at least 3 times more populous. So, yes, China may be just one nation but in terms of size this wasn't one nation against many, it was one very big but also very backward nation against a number of small but highly developed nations...
Would love to see the western countries come to China and try to invade us like parasites again. Greedy demons come and pretend to be good. We Chinese can see thru them faster than any race can. They have lost proxy wars with China by Veintam and Korea. We are greatful for the courage of the Chinese Boxers who died against a more warlike enemy.
@ehs790 we were called the "sickness of the East" back then, a great deal of kung fu masters perished during this last stand aganist the foreign powers. they fought bravely aganist the muskets & pistols; armed with only martial arts weapons.
@Wolfsbane909 No. The Boxers and Imperial Troops and the Kansu Braves had rifles and artillery but Chinese were fighting Chinese throughout the entire Boxer episode. Also 20 million Chinese had just died during the recent Taiping Rebellion/ civil war and were weakened.
@ehs790 With the invention and proliferation of assault rifles, cell phones, the internet, IEDs, RPGs ( communications and small arms) imperialism is no longer economically or politically viable.
And the reason the Boxers failed was due solely to Chinese disunity. Same reasons the American Indians were eventually conquered.
See through us - You can't even see through your own Government that sell your own country man down the river as wage slaves to the West for their own financial gain.
How different is that to the Africans selling their own people to the European Transatlantic Slave Traders of the 16th and 19th Centuries. It took opposition in Europe by religious groups to stop it.
If it wasn't for public exposure in the West of big companies abuse of Chinese workers nothing would be done.
Mate. I agree absolutely that in the past the Chinese where treated very badly by the West - They were absolute bastards.
I acknowledge the Western motivation and involvement in recent foreign conflicts. But I also draw a distinction between the Government of a country and its citizens.
As citizens we all wish to pursue our hopes and dreams, we all desire to raise a family in peace. Under this flag we are all brothers and under this flag we should move forward together.
What the F*#& is this! The historical footage is good but most of it isn't from the boxer rebellion from what I can tell. The facts have some problems mischaracterizing the whole boxer rebellion. And what's up with the whole wierd demonstration.
The boxer rebellion would've suceeded if the government acutally stepped in and sent money, guns, and soldiers. The chinese had guns and cannons and a very large population. They had guns and cannons b4 but they were outdated, but by the beginning of the 20th century, they had modern weapons.
Nice documentary clips but stupid boxing action interrupted.If never read "Dragon syndicates",then it may not realize that why boxer revolution appeared & who was the back up.
Great little video, very funny. I just started studing the BR for a writing project. Its amazing how few people know about it. I wonder if in a hundred years people will remember the Iraq war.
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And look at how arrogant we westerners really are. The Chinese dared fight back against our imperialism and we called them "Rebels". What kind of twisted double-speak backwards logic is that?? We were Invaders...
youraposer1 1 month ago
Why are they in the snow? That big fat one is such a bad actor!
tayanye67 1 month ago
but they weren't fat asses like Kai.
hangover71 1 year ago 3
China was the best, then fallen...
But hey, we are rising again! And with the highest IQ in the world, China is only going to become stronger than ever!!
lanchurch 1 year ago
@lanchurch China's IQ is at 101... Not even close to being the highest. 100 is suppose to be average. Most of Europe has a higher IQ that that >___>'
AmzitheSoldier 5 months ago
Heroes!
davidgrahamscott 1 year ago
Der, hey yu guys i fot in da Box-HURRR rubelliun.
zhmzdl67zwxdsh 1 year ago
Double-hulled ships? Columbus didn't use double hulls when he discovered America, Magellan didn't use double hulls when he circumnavigated the earth. As far as I know, double hulls are a very recent (20th century) safety add-on and it's not something that would have been used by European sea explorers or early travellers as it also has some disadvantages. When and how Chinese used it, I don't know, but you would have to provide some concrete xamples of "technology transfer" in that regard...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
Paper? Sure, credit goes where credit is due, no one claims paper isn't a Chinese invention. But apart from that fact, you say without paper no education? In Europe papyrus was used in ancient times and in medieval times parchment was used. The first universities in the world were established in Europe using books made of parchment, without a single sheet of paper. Paper facilitated later mass production of books because of its cheapness but in no way was paper a prerequisite for education...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind Paper allows ideas and knowledge to be stored much easier and to be spread much quicker. Even you said so yourself, parchments were extremely expensive. How many sheep or goats do you have to kill in order to make enough parchments to make a book?? Paper is lighter and cheaper to make, the fact that paper is cheaper allowed even the poor to access reading materials which had been impossible when expensive parchments were the only option they had.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred Paper no doubt facilitated the spread of learning but it did not initiate or depend on it. Gutenberg's press was used with parchment initially as well as paper. Parchment was expensive but unlike paper it could also be extensively reused and reusage of parchment had a long tradition. Without paper, there would simply have been greater efforts at skin collection and higher reusage of parchment. It would have slowed but not stopped the progress of literacy which was well under way.
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
oh man this doesn't look like a proper documentary :( i need info. Chinese history is very interesting
partyhardkatie 1 year ago
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Kraitx3 1 year ago
BTW, that's a wonderful music. What's the title of
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utuberocks34342135 1 year ago
If Mongols hadn't carried a westward campaign,
Europeans would never have known much
about the Chinese. Russians wouldn't
have reached eastwards. There
have been no European
imperialism in
China.
utuberocks34342135 1 year ago
Nothing is permanent !
Ganeschar 1 year ago
These Chinese are not rebels , they are Chinese Heroes. So don't call rebellion, call Chinese revolution against stupid ,cowards 8 nations. They don't dare to fight Chinese patriotic men one by one. Shame on you cowards 8 nations.
andyhwang2009 1 year ago
@andyhwang2009 grow some brains...
the boxers were the cowards, they were murdering innocent priests
bartieboy93 1 year ago
@bartieboy93 Christian missionaries were indeed
a danger to Chinese society.
Are you aware that leader of the Taiping Rebellion
(one of bloodiest civil wars in modern history) was
caused by a Christian convert?
When China under Chi'ng dynasty was not interested
in European products, those barbarians colonised
China by force by unfair treaties. (They didn't even
have guts to fight China individually.)
Discontent among the Chinese was inevitable.
utuberocks34342135 1 year ago
Correction to first para:
Leader of Taiping Rebellion, Hong Xiuquan, was
a Christian convert.
utuberocks34342135 1 year ago
@utuberocks34342135 cowards?
now now, i bet that great britain or france could deal with china individualy but why would you fight alone if you have allies?
great britain or france would have defeated the chineese just as easily as the french did in 1884-1885
i think you should consider having a more objective look at those things,
do you realy need to call those people barbarians?
bartieboy93 1 year ago
@bartieboy93 Why shouldn't I call them barbarians?
Was forcing China to buy opium (British did it. Don't know
about others.) an act of a civilised nation?
utuberocks34342135 1 year ago
@utuberocks34342135 thats trade, maybe its not to nice but the chineese would have done the exact same thing in their position.
you dont call them barbarians because their technology was far better evolved then the cineese at the time,
thats why they could win from you with a mutch smaller and better trained force
bartieboy93 1 year ago
@bartieboy93 Come and invade China again, I dare to say that none of you're Dutch tanks can stand up against the Chinese Type 99KM.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu hahaa that tank is by far inferior to the challanger 2 and leopard 2,
the gun stabilization is weak, as you can see, when the tank travels over rough terrain the gun bounces up and down because of its low profile it cant shoot very far...
it is very expensive,
ok, it has a slightly higher max speed and operation radius but the leopard 2 is by far superior
and then i didnt even compare it to the challenger 2!
sorry but you got a long way to go to beat our tanks
bartieboy93 1 year ago
@bartieboy93 Either you have watched the video of the Type 99 (which is actually a 96) vs. the Japanese type 90 or either you don't know anything about the Type 99KM. Does the Leopard 2 or Challenger 2 have a new modular active protection system? A JD-4 Laser Defence System? an engine of 2100hp? Or a 155mm gun capable of firing Kinetic rounds? I bet that no tank in service ever had or has something like these. And I didn't even mention its weight!
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu dear chineese guy,
maybe you didnt know but a high weight is not a positive thing!
its harder to transport, and many roads cant handle a lot of weight.
now you do know that that pretty engine is from germany right?
the chineese simply dont have enough experience in the tank building business yet. the gun is only 125mm
its simple, the type 99 is a tank that takes a lot of good things from other tanks but it just doesnt work out... and besides you only have a couple of those
bartieboy93 1 year ago
@bartieboy93 The Type 99KM's weight is 75 tons but it's still capable of achieving a max speed of 80 km/h, which is still fast (if you compare it to the other tanks in service). The engine of the Type 99A2 is German and that of the Type 99KM is domestically developed. And we're not talking here about the plain Type 99, it's about the recently improved version of the Type 99A2 (Type 99KM) which has a 155mm gun instead of a 125mm one.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@bartieboy93 And it would be logical that we only have 200 Type 99KM's since only one unit costs around 19.1 million USD. The largest amount of tanks there are in the PLA are the Type 96G's; which are still pretty decent.
ManjuSu 1 year ago
@ManjuSu well then... ok ill admit, the type 99 is a decent tank, id just say that there is a lot to be fixed...
bartieboy93 1 year ago
@utuberocks34342135 Most Christian missionaries were very opposed to the opium trade. Also, lots of Chinese smugglers helped the British in the drug trade. The leader of the Taiping was a madman who thought he was Jesus Christs brother. Not evidence of any actual Christian.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
@utuberocks34342135 Of course the missionaries were a danger. If you ask me all religion is a danger. But your claim that the 8 nations wouldn't fight China one on one are ridiculous. If China truly tried to fight it would have been crushed. Europe controlled about 90% of the globe at that point and its militaries were unmatched.
thugugbob 1 year ago
@andyhwang2009 Yuan Shi Kai and plenty of other warlords fought the Boxers. If there wasn't so much disunity, the Boxers might have at least fought the Eight Nations to a stalemate.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
@andyhwang2009 If men fought one on one all it would take would be one smart man to stab them all in the back and claim victory. The archaic chivalrous notions you describe are dead. But on the other account you are absolutely right. It wasn't a rebellion. It was an uprising. As for whether they are heroes... whether someone is a hero is entirely a matter of perspective.
thugugbob 1 year ago
China has dreams . China dreams are (1) to occupy UK for Opium Wars (1839) (1856) and boxer revolution.(2) To occupy Japan for 1895 China -Japan war , 1900 boxer revolution , Nanking Massacre in China in 1937 and other Japan massacres in China from 1931- 1945 and (3) To occupy Indonesia for Indonesia Muslims who bullied and killed many Chinese Indonesians(1965- 1998).
andyhwang2009 1 year ago
@andyhwang2009 well china can go ahead and try but as soon as they will i am very sure that the rest of europe and the northern america's will help and if they do china wont stand a chance
bartieboy93 1 year ago
@bartieboy93 China has no interest in conquering Japan, Europe or the rest of the world. Europes immigration policy has led to an invasion by Muslims while part of the U.S. here are being demographically taken over by Mexican Reconquistas.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
@andyhwang2009 Thats absolutely ridiculous. Occupy the UK? A nation on the other side of the world? Protected by the most powerful nations on the earth? Not happening. Even if China somehow managed to transport their army to Britain and somehow through a miracle of divine proportions managed to defeat British solders on their own soil, EU troops, and American forces all at the same time. They would never be able to maintain an occupation.
thugugbob 1 year ago
they were killing all the gweilos with bare hands
paidnomind 2 years ago
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lcddg 2 years ago 4
icddg.
And I can tell by looking at your YT channel that your mind is
F U L L O F S H I T ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Grow up, kiddo, or you may croak of an overdose soon in which case Mankind won't notice at all.
ElCid48 2 years ago
nah its just that the chinese was still using swords to fight in the 19th century.
lifes40123 2 years ago
what china can do is because tolerant western let it happened, whites had 1000 times the chance to destroy china, but let them live
alessiaaa94 1 year ago
@alessiaaa94 long live free China!
srbinsiti 1 year ago
@alessiaaa94 White had no incentives to destroy China. The Chinese Qing government was the balance of power. If Qing government is gone, what do you think will happen next? Britain, France, Germany, US, Japan, Russia, etc, will fight eachother to see who controls the vacuum of power. The colonial powers had no wish to start a war with eachother, the result will be too costly. They needed the Qing there to maintain that balance.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
sure they have no interest to detroy china, but they can make partition of china and colonize it, for avoid a potential danger, but they don't. after wwii, china was freed by allied, and let it independent, sure they can colonize and with the new weapon (atomic) they can even reduce population, but they dont, they even permitt china to invade tibet, so what china get, came from tollerance of whites, and now they pay us with arrogance, sadly
alessiaaa94 1 year ago
@alessiaaa94 Colonizing a country is the same as effectively destroying the country's government. China was only independent because the CCP defeated the GMD in the Chinese civil war, if GMD won today's China would be a US puppet, very much like Korea and Japan are. And China after WWII was backed by the USSR and became a nuclear power, hence why US didn't dare do anything against China. It has nothing to do with Western tolerance, you need to learn some actual history kid.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
no, i don't think, japan is so because as been occupied, and however because asia at the time have no good alternatives, japan always say that what to "leave asia" because the west have the civilization, so then korea follow, and how china too
sure china after wwii at the tokyo trial, crying for punishment for japanese occupation, and then start to occupy tibet, what an hipocrisy
the real power of china is even not the demographic, is tolerance of white cointries,look at this rebellion
alessiaaa94 1 year ago
no, i dont think they do that, hwr look at these rebellion, few soldiers defeat an empire, 29.000 whites defeat about 350.000 boxers and imperial troop, plus half a billion hostile chinese, now west permitt to china to sell is low-cost product, and uncorrect maket (millions slave-workers in the lagolai), china go to the tokyo trial asking for hard-punish for japanese, and immidiately after invaded tibet, what an hipocrisy !!!!!
alessiaaa94 1 year ago
@alessiaaa94 Wrong on all counts. nearly 60,000 European and Japanese troops defeated 380,000 Boxers and imperial troops who were OFTEN FIGHTING EACH OTHER as much as they were fighting the foreign forces. The 300 million peasants were mostly unarmed and powerless and prevented from taking up arms by the Qing who feared them.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
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devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred The West eventually did start a war with one another during World War One. The Russians and Japanese fought a major war in 1904 over their clashing imperial ambitions in China.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
@LIbertyorDeath419 Russo-Japanese war had more to do with control over Korea than China.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred I thought most of the fighting had to do with control of strategic control of sea lanes like Port Arthur.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
@lcddg
But surely something is missing? Long ago China was a great culture and more advanced than Roman Civilisation however historically it seams to have somehow gone backwards. No doubt it's big yet it is becoming more like America and less like its glorious past - It's loosing its elegance.
ncacace 1 year ago
@ncacace No. Both Han China and Rome were among the most advanced of their time. So mush so that both sides tried to form an alliance but the Parthians who were the third power were too formidable and were able to prevent direct links.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
@lcddg
Sure China makes things but they do not create. I don't get it. It's as if they are losing there soul. It's as though, being wealthy, they posses all the paint but no one knows how to paint. They can copy any painting they would find in the Louvre yet they cannot create a new painting.
I hope I'm not upsetting anyone as this is a completely impartial observation - I admire many of the Chinese cultures past achievements though I feel that it has lost its way.
ncacace 1 year ago
@ncacace All cultures go through change. Some for better, some for worst. After three hundred years of misery, the Chinese have every right to view wealth and prosperity as a form of security.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
@LIbertyorDeath419
There is no wealth without culture. They will only acquire what you can hold in your hand - They are becoming as a country like the proverbial King Midas.
They will never be wealthy only rich and soulless. Uninspired they will condemn themselves to a life in Limbo.
Such a shame for a culture that gave us the philosophy of yin and yang - but that was long ago and since China has lost its way. They have lost their balance and are becoming more 'westernised' than the west.
ncacace 1 year ago
@ncacace Do you prefer the 'culture' of decline and tyranny under the Qing or the mass murder and starvation of Mao? The Chinese have always been capitalistic except that merchants were given low standing in Confucian society. Wealth is power and security. Better to have that than stick to outmoded values which led to decline, weakness, and mass misery and deaths.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
@LIbertyorDeath419
Easy to say when you are carried by the benefits of other cultures.
Telescope, Microscope, Mathematics, Classical Physics, Quantum Physics, Steam Power, Architecture, Plastics, Combustion Engine, Automobile, Television, Aviation, Jet Engine, Electricity, Nuclear Power, Space Exploration, Surgery, Medical, Antibiotics, Radio, Telephone, Music, Microcomputers, Satellites, Robotics, Internet - YOUTUBE - Film
Anything great Chinese culture ever developed was long ago.
ncacace 1 year ago
@ncacace "Anything great Chinese culture ever developed was long ago."
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Yes. And the catalyst was due to Confucianisms hosltility towards new values and ideas.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
@lcddg There were many superpowers. Persians, Greeks, Macedonians, Turks, Mongols, Chinese, etc. All eventually peak and all eventually decline.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
@LIbertyorDeath419
Absolutely - As I said China WAS great but has declined ever since. Even now as they have the potential they continue to move in the wrong direction only faster towards cultural decline.
ncacace 1 year ago
@ncacace We will have to agree to disagree. The optimism and energy coming from China now is exciting to behold. So what if they lose their Confucian ethos thought I do admit to admiring the rebellious nature of Taoism.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
@LIbertyorDeath419
It is a mistake to deal in absolutes. The extremism of Religion during the Bubonic Plague thrust Europe into isolation and the Dark Ages. Extremest Muslim religions today are doing the same damage.
There is no need to forget who you are in order to move forward. Many of Asia's adopted philosophical ethos by western companies have helped bring them in to the 21st century creating a more heuristic working environment.
ncacace 1 year ago
@LIbertyorDeath419
This heuristic working environment mutually benefits all by promoting an atmosphere more conducive to creativity and innovation. IBM's failure to adopt this working environment eventually led to their demise.
ncacace 1 year ago
@ncacace China wasn't great, it was THE most advanced and powerful nation on Earth from 4th to the 16th century. If you actually studied ancient history you will see that a lot of European "inventions" and "innovations" were actually inspired and originated from China in the first place, and spread to Europe through the Silk Road or other trading routes. There is no cultural decline in China, there is a spread of western cultural influence but Chinese culture still remains the dominant doctrine
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred There's a lot of mythmaking and unwarranted pride behind the alleged transmission of Chinese inventions. Apart from a few inventions like paper, Chinese inventions rarely made their way to Europe and China never played a major role in the technical and scientifical development of Europe unlike the major influence Europe had in China from the 16th century. China was and remained a highly insular and isolated society interested only in what was within its immediate horizon...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind I will name you a "few" Chinese inventions that made their way to Europe: Paper, compass, double-hulled ships, rockets, fireworks, gunpowder, cannons, muskets, noodle, stamps, silk, tea, movable block printing, paper money, porcelain, Indian ink, I can go on and on, but youtube only allows me to type so much in one reply. Go to wikipedia and search Chinese inventions, it will take you hours to read through all of them, and some inventions are dated in 21st century.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind It's true that a lot of inventions and discoveries in the scientific enlightenment era were made exclusively in the West, but you forget that it was China who made all these possible, because it was China that essentially built the foundations for civilizations to progress. Without paper, there would be no education. Without ink, there would be no writing. Without compass, there would be no navigation. Without gunpowder, there would be no modern constructions.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred Wikipedia, yousay? "Many ancient cultures around the world have independently discovered and formulated inks for the purposes of writing and drawing. In ancient Rome, atramentum was used"... "The compass was invented in ancient China around 247 B.C., and was used for navigation by the 11th century. The dry compass was invented in medieval Europe around 1300."...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
"Around 1450, Johannes Gutenberg introduced what is generally regarded as an independent invention of movable type in Europe, along with innovations in casting the type based on a matrix and hand mould. Compared to woodblock printing, movable-type pagesetting was quicker and more durable for alphabetic scripts. Today, practically all movable-type printing ultimately derives from Gutenberg's movable-type printing, which is often regarded as the most important invention of the 2nd millennium."
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind Do some research on Zheng He and his voyages to Africa. By 13th century China had the largest and most technological sophisticated ships the world has ever seen. Europe didn't have the equivalents until 17th century. And Columbus didn't discover American continent. He was the first European to colonize it and claim to have discovered it. But Vikings and Native Americans have discovered the continents several centuries prior.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred Zheng He used ships that were great for travels along known trade routes. Columbus and Magellan used smaller and more navigable vessels which made more sense for open sea exploration. Double hulls can create imbalance in rough weather and big ships wouldn't have made it through narrow straits. Obviously, Spain and Portugal, just recently liberated from Moorish rule, did not a massive amount of wealth to build extravagant fleets but for their current purposes they did not need to.
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind Note that I'm not saying that double hulls were at all known to Europeans in the Middle Ages, as far as I know it wasn't. I'm just pointing out that even had they known it through Chinese or by other means it would have been of no or little use for their given needs during that time...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@devilhunterred Vikings were europeans. They sailed and settled North America earlier than 800 AD.
myalla88 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind There is debate on what happened to the compass after its first appearance with the Chinese. Theories include:
Travel of the compass from China to the Middle East via the Silk Road, and then to Europe.
Direct transfer of the compass from China to Europe, and then later from China or Europe to the Middle East.
Independent creation of the compass in both China and Europe, and thereafter its transfer from China or Europe to the Middle East.
So pick one.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred China, the most advanced civilization from the 4th century? I doubt it very much. In the 6th century, the Byzantines built the Hagia Sophia church and issued a body of Roman law that is still being used as the legal framework in most of the world today (including China). They also housed the famous neo-Platonic acacdemy, invested a lot in education, provided running water for their citizens, etc. The Byzantines were by no means less advanced than the Chinese in the 6th century.
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind Actually China was the first civilization that puts an emphasis on education. It was China who first invented the Imperial Examinations as an integral part of the government infrastructure in selecting government officials based on their educational standards and academic achievements, unlike their European counterparts who were simply appointed their positions through nepotism.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred The idea that China was more advanced than the west in the past and it was only throught the use of chinese inventions that the west advanced is a myth!! This myth was created by chinese supermacists and the propaganda of subsequent depostic governments Imperial and communist) used to make the chinese feel better than they really were.
myalla88 1 year ago
@myalla88 so true
sm0keshell 1 year ago
@myalla88 Idiot. The Chinese had advanced guns and the most advanced navy until the mid Qing (1750). Without China, you wouldn't have guns, because China invented the gun. China also invented the first machine gun. Calling people ''Communists'' is no way to prove anything.
SHUTUPNOOB654 1 year ago
@SHUTUPNOOB654 Chinese invented machine guns? Well, it's funny then that both the Japanese and Chinese adopted European firearms. Obviously something was missing in that Chinese machine gun ;) By extrapolating you can always make farfetched and all-inclusive claims.
Chinese invented gunpowder and were by all accounts first to experiment with firearms but they never made them into standard weapons of warfare. And for a very good reason, namely, they couldn't create sturdy and reliable firearms.
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind Wrong. China had the most advanced guns well until the 1700s. Then the dynasty at the time, stopped using firearms, ordered that they were to not be produced anymore, and used traditional weapons instead. That is how China became so weak in the 1800s. The first machine gun was not an actual gun, but a repeating crossbow that could shoot 100s of arrows an minute.
SHUTUPNOOB654 1 year ago
@myalla88 China WAS more advanced than the West from 6-17th century. This is a fact, not a myth, all historians agree with this. China has been the oldest, longest running, most developed, richest and most powerful superpower for majority of human history. Decline of China came from self-isolation and growing conservative ideals in the Court and society at large.
This isn't propaganda from Chinese education. Even western history textbooks and academic papers write this.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred During the "Dark Ages" China was more developed due to chaos and loss of prior existing knowledge in Europe. This "superiority" was in many ways a fictitous one because European knowledge never completely disappeared while OTOH Chinese knowledge never gained what Europe already knew and would start to disseminate again during the 15th century Renaissance, like for instance the scientific method, abstract math, highly accurate cosmology, knowledge of the Earth's sphericity, etc...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@devilhunterred China had a better administration for many centuries compared to western Europe during the Dark Ages, also higher wealth, literacy and agricultural output, there's no doubt about that...
However, one could argue that even the Aztecs had better administration and wealth than much of tumultous and wartorn Europe during the worst periods of the Dark Ages, yet that would not explain away the fact that the Aztecs were in terms of overall progress millenia behind Dark Age Europe...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@devilhunterred So, to say that one is more advanced than the other, one has to define what is more advanced. Science? Engineering? Philosophy? Agriculture? You have to pinpoint what you mean by advanced, because in some very crucial aspects China never even approached, much less surpassed, the level Europe had achieved and maintained even during the Dark Ages...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind I will say it again, China was the most advanced civilization in the world until the 17th century. To say that dark age Europe is more developed than China is an utter joke. When Marco Polo visited China in the 12th century, he was completely astonished by Chinese engineering marvels such as the Great Canal, Great Wall, Forbidden Palace, Chinese had an irrigation system to support their 4 yields annual agricultural output.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred you sound like the blacks saying the same stuff about africa, the indians and native americans all saying how they had civilisation and whitey is the devil, well guess what I dont beleive ya we civlised you and gave you technology
Jimmyretired 1 year ago
@Jimmyretired Guess who gave Europe gunpowder? silk? tea? paper? noodle? cannons? fireworks? And several thousands other Chinese inventions that were spread to Europe.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@Jimmyretired have fun in 20 years, when you'll be working in a sweatshop making toys for chinese babies.
TheRussianMILF 1 year ago
@devilhunterred For instance, like I've already pointed out China never developed a scientific method and while China possesed an incredibly rich written culture, even in terms of culture China started to look rigid and backward already compared to 15th century renaissance Italy.
The social, cultural, artistic and scientific changes that were taking place in the 15th century in Europe, despite the continuing chaos with wars against Arabs, Turks, etc, were not even on the horizon in China...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind China had cities with population in the hundreds of thousands, which was unheard of at the time in Europe. Even so, Chinese enjoyed the highest standards of living in the world, while Europe was still waged in war between petty kingdoms. Chinese artisans produced the finest porcelain in the world, nothing in Europe was comparable. Chinese porcelain became so widely sought after in Europe they began simply to be called, "China".
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred Dont talk shit england invented the things you mention
Jimmyretired 1 year ago
@Jimmyretired how the fuck did England invent noodles ( let alone everything else) even the the capability to mass manufacture books came from china ( seeing that the Chinese invented printing) so hence the spreading of knowledge and mass education i.e. schools and universities would have NEVER happened without china
thejin666 1 year ago
@thejin666 Printing was invented in europe independently from China. Schools and universities existed in Greece and Rome.
thugugbob 1 year ago
@thugugbob Nope, the first form of printing was invented in China. Many of the inventions you fools take for granted were actually invented in China thousands of years ago, and some ''white'' people think they invented it now, because they are very advanced. That is usually the case, anyways.
SHUTUPNOOB654 1 year ago
@SHUTUPNOOB654 Well the Chinese form of printing didn't affect the west however. To be honest, its China's fault that it fell so far behind. It is now Europe's own fault for falling behind after it controlled around 90% of the globe. It is now Amercia's fault for falling behind as it tries to hang onto its remnants of regional hegemony. There's no point in clinging to past glories. China may be on the rise, but even if it does take the US's place on the world state it too is doomed to fall.
thugugbob 1 year ago
@thugugbob you know how difficult it was to obtain books back in Greek and Roman times? with out the Chinese whom invented paper and printing how can you mass educate the populace with out any means to efficiently distribute knowledge
thejin666 1 year ago
@devilhunterred If you'd like to start bragging go and have a look for a moment at the achievements of the Roman Empire compared to Han China. One of these i remember off the top of my head is the fact that a single Roman Imperial mining province produced more gold and silver annually than the entirety of the Han Empire. Why? Hydraulic mining.
thugugbob 1 year ago
@thugugbob I would like to see a source on that claim.
But guess what, Roman empire fell in the 5th century. China still exists to this day.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
THE CHINA IS CIVILIZED BY GREEK DIONYSUS ZAGREAS
@thugugbob AGO 8.500 YEARS THE HERCULES WAS HYDRAULIC
unfukkkmee 1 month ago
You can of course contrast this with claims of Chinese state continuity, wealth, literacy, agricultural output, etc, and much of that is of course true, but nevertheless the fact remains that even while China prospered economically it never developed the basic and necessary things that made possible the era of enlightenment, the scientific and the industrial revolutions in Europe...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind China was one of the most advanced nations in the world, militarily, philosophically, and economically. They missed the industrial revolutions because the government in China at the time stopped trying to develop the country, taking traditions instead. That is why China was not a very good place in the 1800s.
SHUTUPNOOB654 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind When Marco Polo returned to Europe and described the riches, the structures, the Great Canal, prosperity and the technologies in China, no one believed, because they have never seen such things or anything close. But amongst many things he brought back from his stay in China, there was Chinese noodle. It was later adopted and transformed in to Spaghetti in Italy :)
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred My point being, you're stretching the time frame when China could be considered to have had an administrative and societal edge over Europe. The Byzantines regressed in the 7th century because of the Arab invasions, so from the 7th century and several centuries onwards China could be considered to be the center of progress. As for power, don't forget that the nomadic Mongols overran China just as nomadic Arabs had overrun the Byzantines. "Advanced" does not equal "powerful"...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind If you studied military history, you would know for a fact that China already had the largest military on earth since the Tang Dynasty in the 5th century. Chinese population at the time already exceeded millions, which was a number completely unheard of in Europe. Not to mention China had already invented steel weapons and repeating crossbows, two superweapons of the ancient world which Europe didn't have until the Medieval ages.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred Also, crucially, China never developed something akin to the Scientific Method nor did the Chinese discover that the world was a sphere that you could cirumnavigate, two absolutely crucial factors in later European development... It's a very telling fact that the Europeans had to discover the value of as well as introduce Indian numerals in China even though India was just around the corner to China, instead Chinese maths regressed further due to the invention of the abacus...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind Abacus was invented in China in the second century BC, according to wikipedia. I fail to see how it could have had any negative effect on Chinese development of mathematics, which had always been a pioneering and significant force until the late Qing Dynasty. The Indian numerals were not a significant mathematic invention, as almost all civilizations had their own version of recording numbers. The Indian way was just a universal doctrine adopted by rest of the world.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred Also, the Indians had in the early first millenium AD learnt from the Greeks about the Earth's sphericity, I'm sure the Chinese could had they had a little curiosity and openness have learnt this in turn from the Indians, but this just shows how insular China was. It was only when the Jesuits missionaries arrived in the late 16th century the the Earth's sphericity finally became a known fact in China...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@unapologeticmind China lost to the Mongols because of its internal fractures and issues divided up its military, preventing it to be efficient. Even so, the Chinese culture and influence are so overwhelmingly powerful that within a few generations even the Mongol conquerors themselves had completely integrated into the Chinese society and adopted the identity of Chinese.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred My point was simply that scientific advancements and numerical superiority do not always equal "power". Mongols overran China with their horseback cavalry, nomadic Arabs defeated technologically and numerically superior Byzantine forces by applying hit-and-run strategy on horseback in a desert environment in which they were at home. Same with the Turks, etc. Bottom line, the Chinese were defeated by the Mongols despite being numerically and technologically superior...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@lcddg
Superpower?
What has China contributed for its people other than selling its people as cheap wage slaves for the West?
The West:
Telescope, Microscope, Mathematics, Classical Physics, Quantum Physics, Steam Power, Architecture, Plastics, Combustion Engine, Automobile, Television, Aviation, Jet Engine, Electricity, Nuclear Power, Space Exploration, Surgery, Medical, Antibiotics, Radio, Telephone, Microcomputers, Satellites, Robotics, Internet - YOUTUBE - Film
China?
Get real!
ncacace 1 year ago
@ncacace You forget that China invented paper, compass, gunpowder, bell, ink, silk, stamps, saddle, double hull ships, fireworks, cannons, muskets, rockets, and several THOUSANDS other inventions that created the foundation for modern civilizations. China today is actually one of the leading innovators and pioneers in rocketry, space, solar power and green energy technologies. It just proves how little you know about the second most powerful nation in the world.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@ncacace Today China is the second largest economy in the world, the largest creditor to American debts, and the largest investor in Africa and South America, responsible for billions worth of projects in those areas. And the West isn't united, even EU for most matters oppose the US, and vice versa. You are extremely naive with your political views.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@ncacace I think you forget that China is the most ancient and longest continuous civilization in the history of mankind. There were other great ancient civilizations such as ancient Greece, Romans, Aztecs, Mayans, Babylons, Mesompotamia, etc, but only China and Egypt remained standing for over 5000 years while all the others had fallen. Whether you like it or not, China will remain standing until the end of time. If 5000 years of warfare can't destroy China, I don't think anything else can.
devilhunterred 1 year ago
@devilhunterred
Rubbish - The egyptians where using papyrus 3000 years before so it only counts as a variation. It took the germans to come up with the printing press which is what really revolutionised the technology.
I guess by deduction you would argue that the micro computer was an inovation of the Abucus - Anyway.....
ncacace 1 year ago
@devilhunterred ....My argument was that China was great but no longer inovates only produces.
Germany leads the world in photovoltics which you would not have without nano tech ie Nuclear phics imagery. Enough retoric - Before you make comments you should research your sources buddy.
I am not trying to put China down as a country. I am trying to make the point that they where once great because of their culture.....
ncacace 1 year ago
@devilhunterred ... which I have a deep respect for - However I believe culturally they are a shadow of there former selves - Like Egyptians, Greeks and Muslim Cultures.
ncacace 1 year ago
@lcddg The west, a continent? You might mean Europe but only a few European countries engaged China during that time. Even if you for some reason would compare the whole of Europe with China, China would territorially be equal to Europe but in terms of population at least 3 times more populous. So, yes, China may be just one nation but in terms of size this wasn't one nation against many, it was one very big but also very backward nation against a number of small but highly developed nations...
unapologeticmind 1 year ago
@lcddg Chinese supremacism is bullshit and so are han chauvinists such as yourself.
myalla88 1 year ago
omg i hate WMG
isaactrio 2 years ago 2
Down with briefs!!!
DasBump 2 years ago
Would love to see the western countries come to China and try to invade us like parasites again. Greedy demons come and pretend to be good. We Chinese can see thru them faster than any race can. They have lost proxy wars with China by Veintam and Korea. We are greatful for the courage of the Chinese Boxers who died against a more warlike enemy.
ehs790 3 years ago 8
Funny how you didnt mention the Japs in your little rant.
Mo0nBugGy1 2 years ago
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Valles923 2 years ago
had no intent of harming?
you surely don't have any knowledge about history don't you
ever heard of the Century of humiliation in china?
lcddg 1 year ago
@ehs790 you chineese got your ass kicked thats what happend!
the only thing you have is lots of men... thats all!
bartieboy93 1 year ago
@ehs790 we were called the "sickness of the East" back then, a great deal of kung fu masters perished during this last stand aganist the foreign powers. they fought bravely aganist the muskets & pistols; armed with only martial arts weapons.
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago
@Wolfsbane909 No. The Boxers and Imperial Troops and the Kansu Braves had rifles and artillery but Chinese were fighting Chinese throughout the entire Boxer episode. Also 20 million Chinese had just died during the recent Taiping Rebellion/ civil war and were weakened.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
@ehs790 With the invention and proliferation of assault rifles, cell phones, the internet, IEDs, RPGs ( communications and small arms) imperialism is no longer economically or politically viable.
And the reason the Boxers failed was due solely to Chinese disunity. Same reasons the American Indians were eventually conquered.
LIbertyorDeath419 1 year ago
@ehs790
See through us - You can't even see through your own Government that sell your own country man down the river as wage slaves to the West for their own financial gain.
How different is that to the Africans selling their own people to the European Transatlantic Slave Traders of the 16th and 19th Centuries. It took opposition in Europe by religious groups to stop it.
If it wasn't for public exposure in the West of big companies abuse of Chinese workers nothing would be done.
ncacace 1 year ago
@ehs790
Mate. I agree absolutely that in the past the Chinese where treated very badly by the West - They were absolute bastards.
I acknowledge the Western motivation and involvement in recent foreign conflicts. But I also draw a distinction between the Government of a country and its citizens.
As citizens we all wish to pursue our hopes and dreams, we all desire to raise a family in peace. Under this flag we are all brothers and under this flag we should move forward together.
ncacace 1 year ago
What the F*#& is this! The historical footage is good but most of it isn't from the boxer rebellion from what I can tell. The facts have some problems mischaracterizing the whole boxer rebellion. And what's up with the whole wierd demonstration.
heseltonc 3 years ago
The boxer rebellion would've suceeded if the government acutally stepped in and sent money, guns, and soldiers. The chinese had guns and cannons and a very large population. They had guns and cannons b4 but they were outdated, but by the beginning of the 20th century, they had modern weapons.
Noobssuckass935 3 years ago
Nice documentary clips but stupid boxing action interrupted.If never read "Dragon syndicates",then it may not realize that why boxer revolution appeared & who was the back up.
54living 3 years ago
I wish you would've put your sources. That would've been nice.
vikingflower 3 years ago
I feel sad that the boxer lst :(
sarge6925 3 years ago
i think some of the members became part of the communist party
malevolenceXXXensues 2 years ago
lol
unknown827 3 years ago
Great little video, very funny. I just started studing the BR for a writing project. Its amazing how few people know about it. I wonder if in a hundred years people will remember the Iraq war.
NRMStudios 3 years ago
OMG such a funny video!!!!!!
cupcakekangaroo 4 years ago