ZEITGEIST REFUTED FINAL CUT 12 of 12

[LadyGreenEyes964]

Excellent rebuttal.  Very well done. Watched all 12 parts, and you did a great job addressing all of the flaws in that film.

[debalazo]

To cave people lacking evolution of their souls, but at least learned English and some Math (see? am not mentioning religion): Google these, and THINK for a change; especially, atheists.

God is a Mathematician;

The Fine Tuning of the Universe;

Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe;

Evolution vs Design: Is the Universe a Cosmic Accident or Does it Display Intelligent Design?

If you graduate, try 'Allegory and Symbolism', then apply ALL to Sacred Texts, that you may see the Light

[Laminaricflow]

Thank you for this excellent refutation! this made sense even though you could have made this video better quality like 720p for instance.

[kingoku]

look for objective facts, common denominators, we have the internet now so no excuses, its time to take responsability and wake up from all the lies around you, seeing is not ojective fact to others except the person who saw, wake up people!!!!!

[kingoku]

both sides arguing but neither can offer objective proof of all their assumptions, if your gonna try and tell people to believe in something research and show objective proof, this is bs, if i wrote a document about someone today, would you believe the document 2000 years from now, for all you know i could have lied, the document could have been faked, people are so dumb quoting the bible like its objective fact, wake up people the time for following other people is over, do your own research

[MaetelUsagi]

I like the guitar music in the background....great ending!!!!

[alabamarasta]

A brilliant ending to a brilliant refutation-- thank you.

[mrbigtruth34]

holly brainwash....wow...should be an age limit to watch this bs...and to enter a church (make sure one can defend themselves first) God should not be loving you long time

[reedo1703]

@TheSixStringRevolver So then we should throw most historical documents out. WHY? Because history is written by the winners of war. Wake up.

[eddiedko]

@TheSixStringRevolver

oh you're right.. sorry.. lol

[eddiedko]

@TheSixStringRevolver

"While the gospels were written a few decades after Jesus death "

it is not true. What we have right now might be the copies of the original letters but every part of the new teatament was written by eyewitnesses of Jesus (excluding Luke .. maybe Paul as well) The last Gospel written was the gospel of John; and even he was the eye witness of Jesus.

so the new testament was written within 100 years after Jesus death.

[nommynupple]

when i first listened to zeitgeist...i was a new belever in messiah.

the zeightgeist film nearly took me back to the darkness i have tried to come out of.

the bible is truth...the devil can transform himself into light too =zeightgeist.

thankyou jesus for giving me truth to seek your light.

thankyou E.NESCH for this film...i forgive them in zeightgeist.peace,glory and love to them in jesus name,Amen.

[aerycksmusic]

@nommynupple - I am glad you found comfort in Elliot's video. As I only recently got zapped by a zeitgeister, I was pleasantly surprised to find that a lot of the so called arguments had been covered in my Biblical Languages studies. In some ways it was a blessing that this happened for it has really helped to clear up the doubts that many have, including me. I just started studying Prof. Ben Witherington's book NT History - A Narrative account. Always best to get a good scholarly background

[sparkshot]

good video, but your wrong that all christians aren't allowed to do any violence - it depends on reason. but try to avoid yes.

[BlindJota69]

Hello, is there any spanish subtitles somewhere? That would be nice.

[nommynupple]

only God can and has and will choose his people to teach ALL nations THE TRUTH to live by in the next new kingdom of God yet to come.

All the rest are blinded till the white throne judgement.

Then all their eyes great and small and never knowing will be opened to the books of the Bible.

praise GOD YESHUA our saviour.

[bebengry]

Luke: 36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. 37For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. 38And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

Well, I guess that saves me from detailing all the rest of the ways your example fails to meet the standards of scientific evidence for the position you espouse.

It does, however, highlight why Psychiatry and psychology are held in such low esteem as sciences. Sloppy methodology, the inability to reproduce results and the tendency to extrapolate data far beyond what it actually demonstrates are rampant in the discipline.

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

2: They tested yogis and Buddhists who achieve this religious state through deep meditation or exercise. They reported feeling "close to God" and a loss of some physical sensation.

3: They reported no visual or auditory hallucinations.

Does that about cover your proof?

Now, biblical miracles do not commonly occur during periods of heavy labor or deep meditation. They involve visual and auditory components, they are witnessed by multiple individuals identically (cont)

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

2: The "hallucinations" take the form of sensation and subjective perceptions with no auditory of visual components.

3: Biblical miracles do not occur during intense prayer or exhaustion.

(cont)

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

"EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE"

Your grossly overstating what has been documented. Some faiths can produce a religious experience at will through exercise or intense meditation. They've studied the brain chemistry of individual in that trance state and claim since it is chemical it must therefor be hallucinatory.

1: They've never been able to test a Christian or a Jew since we cannot produce religious ecstasy at will. (cont)

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

"we can demonstrate the existence of Microbes"

Reason, try to remember the topic we're discussing here. The fact that you cannot test for God only has bearing on the question of his existence if you can demonstrate the capacity to detect God if he exists. Otherwise incomprehension and non-existence render the same result. The microbe was untestable prior to the invention of the microscope. Unless you can explain why you should be able to test God, your point is not germain.

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

Consider 2 unique capabilities attributed to God:

1: Ex-Nihilo Creation.

2: Spontaneous generation. Life We can't even postulate how ex-nihilo creation could be achieved, though it's treated as a scientific fact in physics or how life began in a sterile environment.

A probability model based on those predictions produces a 75% chance in favor of the existence of God.

See why I find his claim to reason or science offensive sophistry?

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

"...people who have a subject experience brought on by a series of chemicals "

You don't in fact know what their mental state was at the time of observation, your making an assumption based on your predisposition.

Observability would only be germain if un-aided visibility were an attribute of the phenomena or if you were able to produce and test a "God-scope" that allowed you to view God. Microbes are invisible and yet very real.

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

"Apparently you do not understand philosophical logic"

You're attempting to demonstrate a scientific prediction using philosophical logic? That would make it a philosophical prediction, i.e. Platos postulate that truth is beauty.

There is a hierarchy of proof here and you seem headed for the basement.

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

"our inability to test something we can observe to be real does not warrant a valid analogy for the existence of god."

It's not an analogy for the existence of God, it's a demonstration your underlying argument (failure to test) has no bearing on the question of Gods existence. Non-comprehension and non-existence render the same result therefor the criteria is not validly indicative.

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

"One does not need a working model in order to assess the probability of the existence of god. "

You do if you want to call that assessment scientific.

"logicality evidence"

You're attempting to argue from the lack of evidence, which is as likely to be a result of non-comprehension as non existence.

"inductive argumentation"

You mean induction? An educated guess? He's not claiming to have an educated guess, he's claiming to have a reasoned or scientific prediction.

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467 Good Morning Reasoned, I see you're up early.

"you have a very absurd standard of what counts as a scientific explanation."

It's not my standard, it's the standard science uses, I'm just borrowing it. Truth be told my faith doesn't meet the requirements for it either.

To claim something is reasoned means reason proves it. Your faith doesn't meet that standard. To say something is scientific invokes this standard, can you meet it?

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

I have no problem with you claiming you don't believe in God. I have a problem with you claiming it's the "rational" or "scientific" view while being unable to meet any of the requirements for rational or scientific thought. You have no data, you have no theory that explains life or our existence without invoking an inexplicable prime cause, you just have faith. Me too. Why is your opinion scientific and mine is superstition?

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467 : We don't have to create a model to suggest the likelihood of god's existence

You do if you want to make the claim "God probably doesn't exist" and attach the word "reasoned" or "scientific" to it.

"we just need to look at every single argument for said deities existence"

I'd point out the total number of argument proving the existence of God and the total number proving the non-existence of God are the same. 0. Your model renders the chance of either being true at 50%

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467 Your missing the point reason.

Reason: We cant Test for God.

That doesn't mean God doesn't exist. We used to be unable to test for lightning

Reason: Well, yes but we can see lightning. (Facepalm)

That's kind of the point I'm trying to make, Reason.

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

Failure to test is as likely incomprehension as non-existence. We couldn't test lightning for most of our history, are you suggesting lightning became real in the 18th century? Also, without a model to predict the likelihood of Gods existence why would we consider his opinion scientific in any way? I mean really, he can't even quantify his prediction or explain how he arrived at it.

The question clearly stated is "God does/doesn't exist". Both are faith systems.

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

How does he arrive at the probability of Gods existence? Has he published a model? That's a pretty revolutionary claim, I don't know of anyone else who's produced a valid statistical model to calculate the likelihood God exists. Mere mathematicians wont attempt it.

Or is it not a scientific analysis of the question? No model exists and in fact it's an impression Dr Dawkins has. A belief?

Atheism describes the belief "there is no God". Sophistry notwithstanding.

[TheDijetlo]

@voiceofreason467

Dawkins is making a positive claim, he's saying "God does not exist". He's not claiming he doesn't know a thing, he's claiming a fact as a certainty. Also, why is a question of fact being discussed under some arcane rule of rhetoric? Why don't you apply the scientific method?

The problem for Atheism is it's simply another religion, a belief system based on unprovable statements. If you can't prove God doesn't exist, you simply have faith it's true.

[cartabusta]

ALL I WANNA KNOW YE IS AFTER SEEING ALL OF ZEITGEIST...THE WHOLE MOVIE INCLUDING EVERYTHING ABOUT THE SYSTEM AND MONEY HOW ARE YOU STILL GONNA DEFEND THIS FILM...FAIR ENUF MAYBE NOT AAAAAAAAL OF THE RELIGIOUS QUOTES AND PRROF WAS FULLY LEGIT BUT ALL THE REST OF THE FILM WAS...JUST FACE IT WE LIVE IN AN ENSLAVED SYSTEM WE NEED TO FOGET BOUT THIS RELIGIOUS SHIT AND GET RID OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE KEEPING US OPPRESSED NOT SQUABBLE ABOUT RELIGIOUS BULSHIT, ITS ALL BOLLOKS NEWAYS!

[Grimwork]

Excellent movie. It is important for Christians to stand up for our beliefs when others attack them, but critical thought is well critical. We should also distance ourselves from so called Christian organisations who oppose Christ’s teachings. Some of us have often been attacked purely for standing up for my beliefs by people who don’t even bother to look at the evidence we present.

[TheConspiracyMan8]

this is a good documentary that refutes and dispproves the mumbo jumbo of the original film zeitgeist. however, i don't like the christian agenda behind the filmmaker's proofs. never-the-less good documentary refute!!

[helicoidaxiom]

You have revealed yourself as an evangelical. I might've known. Your fear of reprisal from an invisible sky god if you don't profess belief is obvious & unsurprising. How you will surely relish the moment when you're raptured up to heaven & you can say "I told you so" to all us heathens.

I Corinthians:19 "If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable." So then I guess you're pretty miserable, huh? After all, the bible says so, and the bible is inerrant, right?

[oO0Briggs0Oo]

@helicoidaxiom Actually there is nothing to Fear if you don't profess your beliefs to everyone. Also its not a moment of relishing its actually very sad. And your quote out of 1 Corinthians 15:19 is taken WAY out of context. I suggest you read at least 3 verses before it. He's saying IF Jesus had not been resurrected then our faith is all worthless and that we would be very "pitied" as it says in my version. I like how people skip over the content of his videos and attack his faith directly.

[helicoidaxiom]

Around 7:18 - "god hates people who love violence" but god himself orders the slaughter of entire nations of people, including women & children. The hypocrisy! This series was laborious & wearisome. Hiding behind the bible as "proof" and citing it as a historical document destroys any hope of credibility, or being taken seriously by anyone but the sheep in the flock, whom subscribe only to notions that reinforce what they have believed since childhood. Look beyond fairytales & search for Truth!

[oO0Briggs0Oo]

@helicoidaxiom Your very mistaken sir. The only time the bible was a source is when we was showing what Christians believe on the contrary to what zeitgeist said they believe. Would you rather he got what a christian should believe from a different place other than the Bible? Did you completely over look the whole video when you said "Hiding behind the bible as "proof" and citing it as a historical document destroys any hope of credibility"

[reedo1703]

This video finally lost me when he refers to the New Testament being eye-witness accounts. Even Biblical scholars all agree that the gospels were written decades after the supposed death of Jebus. This guy wasted so much time.

[ItssBrian]

@reedo1703 Because someone can be an eye witness of an account and write about it decades later.

[reedo1703]

@ItssBrian If Jesus was so important, then why not write about him immediately? Not decades after, when most people would have forgot. Oh wait, it's convenient that they wrote about him after the the fact, or lack there of...

[BestNewPCDeals]

@reedo1703 It is recorded throughout the New Testament that the Apostles and early Christians made reference to the Old Testament Scriptures to show people that Jesus was the Christ. The Apostles primary concern after the ascension of Christ was the spread of the message - such urgency during this early stage did not provide much opportunity for writing. The Old Testament texts that were Christological served as a powerful witness to Christ's true identity during this time.

[reedo1703]

@BestNewPCDeals Wake up.

[reedo1703]

@ItssBrian Hahaha, Why wait decades if this Jesus guy was SOOOOOOOO fuckin important?! Wake the fuck up.

[ItssBrian]

@reedo1703 Why on earth would you think that they waited decades to write anything about it just because the records we have 2,000 years later are dated to have been written decades after the event? Since you haven't seemed to notice this, let me fill you in on a neat little factoid: paper isn't very durable. In 2,000 years how many letters written about you will be found? The answer is zero. Would this suggest that you were never mentioned in a letter?

[SV438384]

Why is here no mention of different versions of christianity and Dead Sea Scrolls and why don't u say that all the facts change because something new is discovered and why don't u admit that scientists are still struglling with translation and understanding the refferencies in bible self and why don't u say that the winner wrote a history and why didn't this guy come out with actuall religious parallels and they do exist not like in zeitgeist but u certainly didn't spoke the whole truth.

[FrankietheMute]

Impressive. Well done, sir.

[WeinerFilms07]

I was hoping this would delve into the 9/11 and Federal Reserve segments, but it just yammered on and on about the first part, which is the religious section.

This was a fucking bore.

[richardp14]

woah, zeitgiest isnt forcing anyone to deiscard their beliefs if you go and read the zeitgeist movement FAQ they address the right for people to hold on to whatever religious beliefs they want as long as they dont force it upon others.

[jim19526]

Why is everyone arguing with each other ...You people seem like your arrogant and righteous... That your superior with your thoughts and intellect ,,,that YOU are right when in all actuality it's just your opinion..and opinions are not fact ...whether you believe in God or not you will find out when you die ........ so why bother proving who's right or wrong just wait and find out....and in my opinion God is not religion ..man created religion so all of religion has been corrupted by man .

[TheTone714]

I dont get it so you can prove that jesus was there, but you cant prove that he had supernatural powers that god had given him? Thats the only thing I dont get. Anyways I think its safe to say that christianity was a pure religion for about 100 years, but now it has been manipulated and changed, its no more truthful then the zeitgeist movie. Your faith is not in jesus or god your faith is in the men that wrote the bible. I would use this video to debunk zeitgeist, thats it.

[Bdthe1st]

@voiceofreason467 I understand and am aware of everything you're saying. My point is, we don't argue the LIFE of alexander...

Yet, in regards to the Son of God, we make every claim under the son to deny him...

It's a little creepy if you ask me

Good day sir

[Bdthe1st]

@voiceofreason467 and so again, regarding His life, secular scholars do not argue his existence... and so there is only one reasonable explanation for why all of a sudden after the crucifixion people went from non-believers- to believers.

They didn't hallucinate.

They didn't lie to the point of giving their lives. (why would they? they had nothing to gain)

God, my friend, pumped breath back into His son.

And scientifically that's really not even far fetched. NDE cases my friend!

[Bdthe1st]

@voiceofreason467 yes, gary habermas does not include the gospel accounts in his account for the resurrection. Now we are back to my original statement.

There's more proof for the crucifixion of Christ, then the entire of life of, oh say Alexander the Great, the illiad, etc... yet these are considered 100% factual and taught in secular schools, in the text books. But Christ evidence outweighs the information we learn about historical heroes in school

[Bdthe1st]

@voiceofreason467 So why are you worried? Your comment above was 8 months ago, and so 8 months later here you are.... still asking for proof of Christ, hiding from Faith in Christ.

[Bdthe1st]

@voiceofreason467 Well, based on the data, it's the most reasonable explanation for what happened after the crucifixion. I wonder why 2000 years later, Christ is still the topic of Your argument. If something can not be proved wrong, all the while, the same something has evidence to support it as truth, then it's probable that that something is the truth lol. I put my God-given faith in the God who died on the cross.

[Bdthe1st]

@voiceofreason467 Well, you can't disprove the resurrection. And the Bible, isn't going anywhere.

Christ lived!

[Bdthe1st]

@voiceofreason467 garyhabermas com (evidence for resurrection as most reasonable explanation to what happened to Jesus Christ)

[FireFox1914]

Great film! I'm not sure that I would have gone so directly religious at the end, but I give you credit for being clear and honest about your beliefs. You used the scriptures well and your research was sound and logical. Thank you for this film.

[nolochemi]

The last 2 videos of this video severly lack insight..

Many of the battles you refer to are *physical*, the battle every christian MUST CONTINUE is described clearly: Ephesians 6:10-20

Ephesians 6:11-12

"Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

[nolochemi]

@nolochemi 11 and 12 fail, the rest is well done. I have watched the tz movie enough times to know that many of the stated facts are incorrect and at the same watched you take quotes right out of context to complete your film. Part 10 was an effective ending. Good work, thank you for your research and insightful sharing.

[rawkuslegend]

I thought this documentary was actually pretty good until the narrator went on a crusade for christianity.

Shame shame, it seems everyone has an agenda.

[kadjach]

the narrator of this documentary is truly my brother in JESUS! WE DO NOT DO BATTLE....we go to the grave 'turning the other cheek'...because it is not the will of God for ANY to perish...but for ALL TO COME TO REPENTANCE...but in the end we WILL SAY 'o death where is thy sting, o grave, where is thy victory..'

[Nomels]

@kadjach YOU turning you other cheek is what TOTALITARIAN state, like USA wants

[kadjach]

@Nomels Yes! exactly....i know!! But the trick to it is, WE are NOT of this world...they'd be really doing us a favor....To be absent from this body is to be present with the Lord....the Lord Jesus did NOT come to bring 'Peace' to this world...He said it...He also said that His Kingdom is NOT of this world, and that if it was, His disciples would draw their swords for battle to seize Jerusalem from the Romans...If u r a true believer in Jesus CHRIST, America is NOT ur home...Please remember. luv

[kadjach]

@Nomels I know all about the secret societies, bilderberg...skull and bones etc....masons....i know about the New age christ, Miatreya...i know all about those things and what they got in store for us Christians [we middle age folks they say]...i know all about that...I fact we've know all about them from more that 2000 years ago [2 Thessalonians 2 - the secret workings of Lawlessness]..what i will NOT do however, is fight to keep my life, or fight for this World..NO Patriotism, but for Christ

[voidows]

you said because of timelack you couldn't mention the 42 writers that write of jesus or christ. Do you have a link for me to this?

Thanks for opening my eyes even more. Confusion is the father of chaos.

[tasfastas]

The link between Jesus and God demonstrates the tendency for a religion to determine its congruence on historical terms, but, on the level of agnosticism, this is also absurd if seen with factuality and not with the inherent need of mankind to point real people as divine, maintaining the portal open on religious materialization. If this phenomena is not seen with a sociological and anthropological eye it becomes absurd while becoming a dogma

[tasfastas]

What Zeitgeist is fighting is correct: Religious determination to assume religious knowledge which leads to a inevitable assumption of power, but, the tools Zeitgeist uses are not correct, perhaps the motive is also incorrect, as Zeitgeist induces itself as a substitute of the present religous dominance.

[tasfastas]

both Zeitgeist and its refutation use the same language, both faces of the same coin. As an agnostic person, I refuse the religious dogma, or in simple terms, if there's God, humans simply cannot perceive it or reach its knowledge, more, humans cannot define God, but only as merely as an antropomorphical concept of view. And to define its existence or possess sacred writings is as absurd as to state there's no superior existence upon our own.

[tasfastas]

both Zeitgeist and its refutation use the same language, both faces of the same coin. As an agnostic person, I refuse the religious dogma, or in simple terms, if there's God, humans simply cannot perceive it or reach its knowledge, more, humans cannot define God, but only as merely as an antropomorphical concept of view. And to define its existence or possess sacred writings is as absurd as to state there's no superior existence upon our own.

[darthdom07]

does jesus want us to love everyone?

[Nomels]

@darthdom07 Who is jesus?

[darthdom07]

@Nomels what?

[awakeminds]

I have watched all these videos and have come to this conclusion. Zeitgeist is a weak source. Manly P. Hall gives over 8 hours of lectures of very reliable information. Manly P. Hall doesn't uses any sources Zeitgeist uses. I have my on conclusions and do not wish to share them.

[Peterwhitlock]

I ma the angry crying prophet of God and yes I do anger and do point and do say YOU ARE THIS OR THAT for the truth is in me and the cure for evil is with me with place for all that are of any faith and any mind of Good for the time has come. The truth of God is so perfect it can be made into a shield and used against evil. Come and see the city God teaches to save mankind! Build and save lives and souls from the most needy to the most full. The evil is exposed by the power of the form from GOD

[pmprcv]

God forgives you for not believing in Him, because He knows you were raised ignorant. His infinite mercy will save you all in the end. (arrow pointing down) || || || \ / V

[madelon231]

I was hoping you would also give some facts on the other 2 parts in zeitgeist, but apparantly you only found the religious part interesting. Anyway why you care if somebody says god doesnt exist? That you believe in god should be enough for you, right?

For me i dont believe, as long god helps 'good christians' to murder others, for the promised land as example. And promises you hell, when you do wrong, yet he is all-loving and all-forgiving. I guess god likes to contradict himself.

[tbonea1dam1]

Ive been researching this stuff for a while now. Grow up and lets make the the world a better place. Stop having all of these intellectual wars, its stupid. The intellectual wars are no different from the physical wars, we are still fighting for dumb reasons, sacred or not.

[aevengelon]

tell me where to find the concrete evidence that shows the "the gospels are primary and authentic sources for the life of jesus". show me where the gospels are proven

[aevengelon]

please site me three prominent historians around the mediterranean sea at the supposed time of jesus, that have said anything about so large an event as the life of jesus

[aevengelon]

Elliot Nesch, you are so caught up in your firm belief in god that you cannot possibly sees things beyond it

[Matty14388]

did you hear what he said "Part one of the movie zeitgeist is in every respect a fraud" and then goes on to label the whole film with what you've just heard, you've heard less then half of everything in the film and not even the main point, may i also add the venus project had nothing to do with the first film, Peter Joseph didn't even know Jacque Fresca when he made this film, only the second one has anything to do with the venus project

[Matty14388]

I've not watched all your videos but by any chance are you another one of those bible bashers who watched zeitgeist and saw nothing but religious issues?, another guy who bangs on about things that don't even matter, religion is still bullshit, and i can see it being used to dumb down the people, don't bash thezeitgeistmovement because of flaws in its facts about religious history because in the end it matters little to what its trying to say, if you don't understand what im saying im sorry.

[AnthonyGF]

TO hell with all this non sense. That's all ilt is. Very deep, but people will takl and debate forever and no one knows the truth in my opinion.

[XiaoFury]

The Zeitgeist editors are blatant liars. Whoever believe these people are fools. No offense.

[Nomels]

@XiaoFury Can you name those editors, so I can research what they are saying?

[aparatins]

@XiaoFury Who exactly are liars? Can you name them?

[selviskk]

the physical wars are the spirit against the flesh??? You seriously need to study your own religion better...it is a war against hybrids called the nephilim

[johndobson01]

Agreed, I dont understand his logic in making that statement.

[atlantisiscalling1]

theism is a belief in God, it is a position, not a claim, you are confusing a claim with a position. Right back atr you richard dawkins, oops I mean voiceofreason

[atlantisiscalling1]

pinch yourself and wake up from richard dawkins religion. The person who claim "there is no God" is yet to prove it, thats the belief of atheism. Then richard (the lying dawkins) knows he cant win debates this way, so he lied (once again) and say "we dont make a claim, we simply lack believe in God", but goes further to write books/make films 7 claim "there is no God". Look man, in that case theism is= belief in God (we didnt say there is God) so therefore, we dont have 2 prove any either

[johndobson01]

Its not Richard Dawkins' religion, millions of people are Atheist. I am an agnostic who is slightly polarized towards Atheism. I say only slightly polarized because the scale of Theism vs Atheism must be equal in magnitude with all there is to be known (because in order to be 100% on the nature and creation of the universe you must know everything). One must approach every situation as an agnostic with the view that the answer could be known, what we know today is nothing compared.......

[johndobson01]

........to what there is to be known, that is why i say slightly polarized, because science and understanding today points towards the existence of god being improbable. Fundamentalist views on the other hand do not need the broad spectrum of vast knowledge to be labeled improbable, all one would need is dinosaur fossils and exploration of the sky as ammunition.

[atlantisiscalling1]

Matthew 13:10-14 The disciples came 2 him &asked, Y u speak 2 people in parables? Jesus replied, "The knowledge of heaven been given 2 u, but not 2them.Tho seeing they do not see; tho hearing, they do not hear'.u dont understand bible cuz its not revealed 2 u. The ribs where woman come from represents 12 tribes of israel as there r 12 ribs in our side. Aam & Eve bore Cain who found a wife, were the wife come from? Adam & Eve is not literally 1st humans but 1st prophets.

[atlantisiscalling1]

i dont know what science ur looking at, but SCIENCE means OBSERVED TESTABLE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. Yet u atheist deny Intelligent design (therefore humans who r known to create almost living things r not intelligent?). Science point 2 God (quantum physics). Every atheist I encounter deny evidence, such as FASTER THAN LIGHT. Einsten who isnt religious believes the universe is infinite but here comes Dawkins who denies infinite, then lies & say "I believe in science". atheism is one lie after another

[aevengelon]

holy crap, the ingnorance your words permeate is truly astounding.

are you saying here that atheism is a lie because 2 people that are part of it disagree on a very small matter, which BARELY relates to god?

*cough*34,000*cough cough* subdivisions of christianity?

[atlantisiscalling1]

(Luke 18:8)

"When the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" You and millions of atheists are fulfilling the prophesy. Faith will perish & there will be few in the end, the beast r given authroity 2 even conquer the saints...

[johndobson01]

"theism is= belief in God (we didnt say there is God)" I don't understand that statement, many theists would refute that claim.

[atlantisiscalling1]

earth being flat, etc- the bible r written by saints who r sinners & make mistakes. CHRISTianity is based on CHRIST Jesus. IN SUMMARY, SEEK & U'LL FIND- again I agree w/evolution, its those craxy ignorant bible believers that thinks earth is 5000 yrs old...Peace & Bye...

[aevengelon]

hey, you ARE an idiot =D

youre saying that you dont have to prove gods exsistence, because atheists cant prove that god doesnt exsist, even though he hasnt been proven?

?

we cant prove wrong, what hasnt been proven, soooooo we're wrong?

no, just not nearly as blind as christians

[atlantisiscalling1]

GIVE ME ONE EVIDENCE someone landed on moon. How do I know its not computer generated? How do I know it wasnt done on the lab? I donot touch and see therefore I donot believe, how do I know it was the moon, prove to me voiceofLYINGreason...I bet %100 your going to ignore me..Just like the rest of the coward atheists.

[johndobson01]

OK so you are an agnostic...so am I, that is the rational position to hold. There is though, something to be said about the probability of the existence of god in a religious context based on our current understanding of science. God is not immune from the spectrum of probability, just as fairies and pink elephants aren't. Based on our current understanding of science it is not probable that the religious god exists, but no one can be 100% sure, just as you cannot be 100% sure of anything.

[atlantisiscalling1]

agnostic? I believe in God %100 (intelligent design). Billions of catholics acknowledge evolution, being "CHANCE" or "PURPOSE" is where it comes down to and fact is Intelligent design in proven, "chance" never accomplished anything, Intelligent design has (consciousness). Ive debate with atheists for 8 years, the best one atheist have is "toothfairy, "giant purple squidmonkey" so there is no God. I acknowledge science & quantum physics.

[atlantisiscalling1]

its called the carbon dating age of the gospels. GOT BRAIN? NOT! Give me evidence one person landed on the moon, come on voiceofreason, GIVE ME ONE EVIDENCE THAT A MAN LANDED ON MOON, try me coward...oops, r u ignoring me? Thats what i figured, another LYING ATHEIST...

[abysus96]

Satan lives, Jesus died, we're all fucked and Christianity isn't helping. As long as there are idiots that follow this fallacy of a religion, conflict will thrive across the world.

As for this documentary, it's just plain dumb, and whoever made it is, despite of his beliefs, an instrument of Satan.

Congratulations asshole, you have just successfully brought a bit more conflict to the world.

[TruthAxe]

Brilliant refutation of Zeitgeist: The Movie Part I.

This documentary exposes Peter Joseph and Dorothy M. Murdock (aka Acharya S) to be intellectually deficient persons.

Atheism is a fetish, a mind disorder that arises mostly during late teenhood when the sufferer feels challenged that he or she is not the sole center of his or her life.

From biography about Peter Joseph, it's clear he's suffering from child rearing that fueled his childish socialist utopian fantasy.

[mindfreak419666]

And what fueled your ignorant delusional christian mindset??

[Puoph]

thank you. simple, and to the point these idiot mother f#####

[TruthAxe]

You amuse, mindfreak.

Mere words have whipped you into uncontrolled rage and frenzy.

That said, this documentary fails, big time.

You've committed the fallacy of ad hominem. You've attacked me because you cannot defend the schlock work of this documentary, which it's maker gets everything wrong.

Also, you make the ignorant assumption that I am Christian.

You act like a dummy, mindfreak. We can be sure that your IQ falls within 85 and 105.

How you amuse, mindfreak.

[mindfreak419666]

Lol IQ psychic? your the one responding to this "dummy" as they say takes one to know one  good day

[TruthAxe]

You amuse, mindfreak, again!

Look at your nerdy YT screen name. You've stolen an established magician's stage name (Chris Angell) and combined it with "666".

Can you say 'big nerdy loser'? We can.

[mindfreak419666]

You've committed the fallacy of ad hominem hypocrisy in action LOl big nerdy loser mhhm How you amuse

[TruthAxe]

You amuse, mindfreak.

Now, you're parroting me. How amusing. Keep dancing on the strings as I pull them, Puppet Mindfreak419666.

[mindfreak419666]

Ok left or right? watch me 2 step XD what a joke you are sir This will be my last response say what youd like your clearly the blind one here..

[TruthAxe]

And the documentary to which I refer is that Big Fail -- Zeitgeist: The Movie, part 1.

[mindfreak419666]

Your statement regarding atheism and peter joseph Clearly reveal your the ignorant one How you amuse a mind disorder?socialist?uptopian? gimme a break clearly you know nothing of pj or the zg movement How you amuse

[TruthAxe]

You amuse, mindfreak419666.

Here's a gift for you.

Call 1-800-969-NMHA. Get the help you so desperately need.

Yet, you must make the first move. Someone is there to take your call and help you, free.

Your mommy and daddy shall thank you. Your friends, if you have any, shall thank you.

[TruthAxe]

You amuse, mindfreak419"666".

Those behind the "Zeitgeist Movement" suffer from childish intellect. They believe in hokem that men can establish a Socialist Utopia.

They believe that meddling bureaucrats as Central Planners can make an "Eden on Earth".

Atheists have pursued this childish intellect dream -- the Dream of Socialist Utopia -- for centuries.

The 20th Century repudiates such folly.

Atheism is a mind disorder of those who cannot stand that they are not at center of life.

[Netherborn]

Documentary done by a retarded choir boy, who wants world to continue to fight and suffer, enough said.

[nsolcis]

theres always going to be suffering, and war, dont be nieve,

[measax]

You cannot sight the bible as evidence that the bible is true. This is complete idiocy and a fallacy (invalid argument). Its called "begging the question."

where is the proof that the "eye witnesses" wrote their accounts first hand other than the bible itself? and why would you leave this out of a rebuttal?

[johndobson01]

oh one more point, peter states that christianity causes division..then this narrator states that christianity teaches love...but only to those you believe your religion right...the others are sinners. haha funny. hey i was a christian as well raised for the first 20 years of my life then i woke up and started asking questions. indoctrination is a powerful tool.

[huntvh3]

The others arent sinners.. we are ALL sinners, mankind is evil by nature, the only thing that can purify the soul is the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, which is a gift, not earned. Self realization gets you nowhere, it feeds on mans ego and drive for hidden knowledge, which by the way was Adams and Eves original sin, looking for hidden spiritual knowledge in all the wrong places. The idea is that the light has already come into the world but people want to look in the darkness for the answers.

[johndobson01]

the us vs them, good and evil mentality is the main source of conflict in this world..the ego(human condition). and religion is the main perpetuator of this ideology. people defend religion because it offers a simple answer to many of our greatest fears, it also gives us an identity.. and the religious institutions exploit that. i could go on and on but if you still want religion like christianity which is based solely on a story book written be some DUDES, go ahead ill wait for some evidence.

[atlantisiscalling1]

john and all the atheists, if religion (not man kind) is the main source of conflict, then your creating one now- GOT BRAIN.? NOT! Atheism= claims they dont believe in God, then denied it & said "lack of belief in God but we make no claims", so therefore theism= belief in God but makes no claim can b the same, atheism is one lie after another.

[johndobson01]

Re-read what i wrote, "religion is the main perpetuator of this ideology". I said MAIN not THE.

[johndobson01]

Also religion is the source of this conflict, if it even is one.

[johndobson01]

i couldnt finish this segment. i almost threw up when he said listen the the bible. THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN AND EDITED BY MAN! wake up! all religion is shit and restrictive, thats what peter advocates the most. yeah follow the bible... believe that you are right and others are wrong, give up your power to a fictitious idol and believe you are a sinner. the bible paralizes us to no end as any religion does... truth should be your only religion, let that guide you.

[atlantisiscalling1]

all religion is shit? So ur shit by being an atheist, atheism is a religion, prove to me there is no God, u cant!!! Its a BELIEF. Then u lie (like richard dawkins= a scientific joke) and say "atheism is lack of belief of god, we make no claim, the proof lies to those who make a claim". IN that case, theism= belief in God, but we didnt say there is God, so therefore we dont hav 2 prove any either. I agree w/evolution, as a science, "CHANCE" is not science.

[johndobson01]

this guy doesnt even understand zeitgeist and he is trying to debunk it. most of peter joseph's statements and ideas are over his head...we are all one first of all and science is moving towards that, if you even think about it we are all just different forms of hydrogen...ohhh "its not money" thats the problem is the "love of money". money is the problem! just another example that went over his head.. money IS scarcity and scarcity inevitably leads to aberrant behaviour for means of survival.

[chjoezen]

Zeitgeist Part 1 refuted. I'll give you that much.

[EyeRwra]

9.46 check out the sources lol

[brentoneccles]

There is plenty of experimental psychology that puts bad behaviour at the responsibility of the environment.

It's not an ideology, or an opinion.

[No3Patriot]

Our "fiat" monetary system is a huge contributing factor to offensive behavior in society, not necessarily "money" itself is.

With our fiat money system, people can't make their own contracts because it is linked to all the government agencies, like IMF, the Federal Reserve, IRS and state tax authorities- if they take your money on a levy or wage garnishment how are you going to honor the contracts you made with your dentist or a friend? Answer: You can't--

[HahaLung23]

Everyone needs to realize "Zeitgeist Refuted" is only on the subject of Religion. There is a lot of beautiful things in Zeitgeist, but in the Zeitgeist's Movement spiritual belief, something is very wrong. But I would personally say besides Peter Joseph's remarks on religion, everything else is very well true.

It doesn't matter if YOU believe in Astrology,

New Age, Theosophy, or Freemasonry. .

just as long as your ENEMY does.

For every beLIEf or beLIEve.

There a LIE in between.

Peace.

[hmoob7]

Dumb fucking videos. Makes no fucking sense. Get over the fucking bible.

[MuckRaker777]

How do they not make any sense? If you think Jesus never existed you are a fool who ignores empirical evidence. It's one thing to accept him or not, but if you say he never existed like Zeitgeist does then you are a fool.

[hmoob7]

9:48

[KnowledgeAddicted]

cool

[blubuntu]

I just watched this whole thing, and all I have to say is that it was full of pro-christian fundie bullshit. Sure zeitgeist was full of errors and falsifications, but so is this video.

Do your own research people, there is no historical link to Jesus, every so-called link was just citing the gospels, which are NOT adequate sources. Some of this video's sources were even falsified to make this video seem more credible.

[katieenligne]

the historicity of Jesus is accepted by almost all scholars and historians. of course not the miracles of jesus, but him as a historical figure. there is much extra biblical, non christian evidence to attest to that.

which sources were falsified? just curious as to what you found.

[Nawty2Hawty]

money is the root of all evil.

[FF12GM]

@ Nawty2Hawty

You are wrong.....it is the DESIRE for money that is the root of all evil.

[No3Patriot]

GREED is root of all evil.

[n1bleachfreak]

i think all christians and people that are against the zeitgeist movement should go to 1 of thosecomventions and protests outside of the convention.

Psalms 11: 5 contradicts what John 3:16 says.

[jesusoverisrael]

hello elliott. thanks and God Bless!

[jesusoverisrael]

superb job. thanks elliott for this great contribution to Truth.

way truth life in latin is via veritas vita. if you put the Truth of the Cross (T) inside the way, you get LIfe. In other words the way of the cross (truth) leads to Life! AMEN!

[Lordblackhawk1000]

Outstanding job; Thank You for all your hard work, peace and God bless...

[52blades]

Thank you so much for your hard work.

[fishslab]

Elliot, I am grateful for your research and tedious work. I plan on buying a DVD from your website (I asked about it in an earlier comment on a different part of the film, but I found the website in the playlist description.).

[KeithTruth]

Awesome film. I am going to upload it to my channel if I have your permission.