Top Diesel Dragster: First Fire

[AlienPigKiller]

Diesels no not need to sound like a pro-stock engine to be bad ass, the torque alone is awsome be that dragster will get in the low 5's or better when it is tuned right.

[crayman31]

It sounds so tame, how wrong you'd be to think it's slow!

[hebeya10]

definitely not enough velocity stack

[qtotgirl]

I read about with smoke vs. without smoke. Does this motor have better performance with smoke ?

[Duk3Nuk3m85]

<3 the sound :P

[ericmck2000]

So, whats the tq number on that monster?

[aonzz3647]

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[BADtimmay]

Thats sexy !

[hootblah]

i just love these ignorant comments people leave on your videos. this is one hell of a machine

[driveinshowbunnik]

it looks like a helicopter engine and it sounds nice

[Kutiboy01]

it doesn't even sound like a diesel, it's got that big block gasser sound. i love it

[Polybun]

I'm not sold, the thing sounds too happy to be called top dragster. If you are going to try and immitate the name of top fuel, then you must also immitate the insanity. That thing should sound like it's ready to blow even at idle speeds. I'm willing to bet this thing doesn't even manage to run a 6 flat.

[bankspowerinsider]

@Polybun During it's initial testing runs it wen 7.17 et with the trans breaking at the 1000 foot mark.

[Polybun]

@bankspowerinsider Which is why you simply don't have one. Even simply having a trans puts you at a severe disadvantage. Fuel cars run direct drive only with a reverser. I don't see any reason this car couldn't do the same other than finding rear drive ratios fitting to the lower reving nature of the engine could be problematic. Then there is the weight penalty. It's never going to be be running 4.90's at 300mph

[TurbinePower69]

@bankspowerinsider Question..am involved in Pro-Semis Sled Pulls..common practice as you know is

to be to Overfuel the engine & Big Turbo's...but, thick columns of black smoke (to me) is just a waste of fuel, wouldn't we be better off turning "the wick" down a bit, and running a bit leaner fuel to air ratio? & wouldn't That..help produce MORE HP, rather than "over fueling" and Not being able to burn it all ?? Thanks! PS: Replace that 4 stroke with a 2 cycle Detroit Diesel, ie: a 6v53 or 8v53

[sstroh08]

@Polybun it snot trying to imitate a top fueler, in the ndhra there is a class called top diesel dragster, this is a 1000 lb chevy pickup engine that runs low 7s high 6s i believe its very impressive, give em a few years and i bet they might even catch up with the fuelers, diesels make such incredible tow end torque that if they could get one to make the crazy power of a fueler the diesel it probably would win or at least beat it off the line

[cody1deyarmin]

@sstroh08 it would never beat a top fueler off the line, maybe in the middle but never off the line. The tires used by the fuelers can't even handle the power they have now. the clutches are computer applied to allow enough slip to keep the tires from breaking loose and enough grip to get the most acceleration the tires can handle. Granted the diesels may one day catch the fuelers but at this point in time they don't produce the power where it is most needed, at high rpms. whereas top fuelers do

[sstroh08]

@cody1deyarmin yes i already know all of that, the tires they use can handle the power if they tire shake the clutch was applied incorrectly but anyways like u said the power made by a conventional style engine comes in at a higher rpm then a diesel and if u would imagine the diesel caught up to the top fuelers power level the diesel would win everytime or at least launch off the line better because of all the low end torque and torque is what wins a drag race.

[cody1deyarmin]

@sstroh08 Not be mean but i wasn't saying that diesels won't have the power of top fuelers, i was saying that they'll never beat them off the line due to traction issues. drag races aren't won by off the line acceleration, but by half track acceleration and reaction times. Unless a diesel just magically makes the tires have more grip they won't beat them off the line. right now the top fuel dragsters are leaving the line as fast as physics allow them too, not as fast as the engine can make it go

[sstroh08]

@cody1deyarmin i guess thats true i never thought of it that way if they made that kind of torque how exactly will the tires put it to the ground lol

[Polybun]

@sstroh08 dead wrong, torque never wins a race, horse power does. Here is why. You can have phenominal torque values, that make no power. Horse power is just torque x rpm, is that rpm is 0, then it is making torque, but no power.

To say any one thing wins a race, is foolish, your entire argument is stupid. You should kill yourself.

[sstroh08]

@Polybun buddy i havent seen too may engines no matter what kind they are, make power and 0 rpm, and saying torque doesnt win a drag race it idiotic, you match a hopped up 350 hp honda civic against c5 ls1 350 hp corvette i guarentee the vette will win, why? the honda has a large turbo and a tuner kit to make its power which in a small I-4 equals hp but not much torque, yet the vette has 400+ ft. lbs. of it and will beat the honda easy, as for killing myself ill put it on the to-do list...

[denny099999999]

@Polybun yes but all those top fuel dragsters ur talkin about are all gas powered. do you know much harder it is to make a diesel have a choppy idle.?

[TurbinePower69]

@denny099999999 TOP FUEL (or F/FC either) are NOT " gas powered" at all....they run on 10% Alcohol and 90% Nitro Methane (due to current NHRA restrictions on the Nitro)...and TAD & A/FC run on 100% racing Alcohol (not the same equation of what's in your booze).

[denny099999999]

@TurbinePower69 yea i know i just wasnt thinking/baked at the time i sounded just stupid for sayin there gas powered. my main point was that its alot harder to make a diesel have a choppy idle/sounds like its gonna blow up than nitro and gas vehicles.

[TurbinePower69]

@denny099999999 Thanks for your reply.."Choppy idle" as you put it, can be just as easily had in a diesel..as in a gasoline powered engine..which is USUALLY the result of utilizing a Cam with ultra high lift and Lots of "overlap" between the int. & exh. lobes (NOT recommended 4 street apps.). The harsh idle you hear out of a Nitro motor is primarily due to the fuel, itself. Nitromethane is a self oxygenated fuel that is highly volatile and is actually a major component of liquid Rocket Fuel.

[denny099999999]

@TurbinePower69 yes. also putting in a cam with high lift and duration im my eyes is a bad idea in a diesel. its just not worth it. at least not if you still wanna drive the truck places.

[TurbinePower69]

@denny099999999 Your right..long duration (as well as high overlap) cams are a bad idea in ANY engine, gas OR diesel...IF, you want good throttle response (high vacuum), low & mid range torque, which of course results in Better Drivability And Reliability on the "street".

[denny099999999]

@TurbinePower69 also thanks for educating me instead of bashing me. much appreciated.

[TurbinePower69]

@denny099999999 Lol your very welcome...I don't like it either...and it's USUALLY from those who, in truth...really know the Least on any particular subject that do the most "bashing" of others.

[TurbinePower69]

@denny099999999 Thanks for your reply,"Choppy idle" as you put it, can be just as easily had in a diesel..as in a gasoline powered engine..which is USUALLY the result of utilizing a Cam with ultra high lift and Lots of "overlap" between the int. & exh. lobes (NOT recommended 4 street apps.). The harsh idle you hear out of a Nitro motor is primarily due to the fuel, itself. Nitromethane is a self oxygenated fuel that is highly volatile and is actually a major component of liquid Rocket Fuel.

[TurbinePower69]

@denny099999999 Oooooops...I meant  TA/FC...NOT "A/FC".

[TurbinePower69]

@denny099999999 Sorry,...I meant TA/FC...NOT "A/FC".

[ttolmbrftttwtbopat]

@Polybun its a diesel. different tech.

[gmm689]

@Polybun Why the hell would you even begin to question an diesel built by banks? Moron. Diesel and any other fuels are completely different animals. There's NO comparison.

[12valvepower1]

he is .the jetta tdi has exhaust system for it

[Twankiejones]

is it still running on diesel?

[bankspowerinsider]

@Twankiejones It always has.

[Twankiejones]

@bankspowerinsider why doesnt it blow any smoke

[bankspowerinsider]

@Twankiejones Proper engine tuning and proper airflow.

[laurentlapierre]

@bankspowerinsider no lost of unburnt diesel :)

[floyds02vp]

@bankspowerinsider so when are you guys gonna make a puller and come play with the big boys out here on the east coast

[SpecialKLSX]

@bankspowerinsider Is this Gale Banks answering that? Lol. Sick rail. Hope you can break 6s eventually.

[TheHuskyGT]

What´s the smaller exhaust below the turbo for?

[bankspowerinsider]

@TheHuskyGT That's the discharge for the wastegate.

[grwoodey]

@bankspowerinsider also known as a screemer pipe

[pongodunga]

I bet that bar stool is the most versatile piece of gear in that shop ; )

[computerssuck93]

O_O HOLY FUCK THOSE TURBO'S ARE GOD DAMN GIGANTIC!!! Whats the MM on those? anyone know...

[randombk82894]

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[mattio79]

wonder what would happen if you ran nitromethane in THAT?!?!

[MrTokeit]

@mattio79 It wouldnt run. Diesels have very low compression.

[mattio79]

@MrTokeit you must have your head on backwards. Diesel motors are COMPRESSION fired. the average automotive diesel has 16-22:1 compression ratio. the average gasoline engine is 7-10:1 some larger diesels have up to 30(?):1. my guess is if you put nitromethane in a Diesel motor, it will do the same thing that Gasoline would do to a diesel motor, make it Grenade.

[MrTokeit]

@mattio79 When you start modding a diesel, you need to have lower compression. more air in, more air out.

[JustinHansen6669]

@MrTokeit, well you try that and tell me how that goes. diesels ignite be heat and compression. thats it.

[TurbinePower69]

@JustinHansen6669 See my reply to "@mattio79" up above. Under "NORMAL" & "Slightly" modified conditions, your correct..HOWEVER, when building engines for Very High outputs the pistons are either "purpose built" or "fly-cut" to LOWER the static compression ratio to allow for larger boost levels. IE: Super Stock diesel & Super Semis sled pullers..average comp.ratio is around 10 to 1 (and use liquid ether & diesel mix to idle)..WHY? because the average boost levels r in the 100 to 130+ psi range !

[TurbinePower69]

@mattio79 Have you Ever attended tractor / sled pulls??...in particular, the Super Stock classes(Diesel) or, the Super Semi Class ?? There is a reason, that they "spit & sputter" at idle, and have to SLOWLY bring the rpms up until they can begin to make boost & add fuel (diesel)...because most are running an "average" of 10 to 1 static comp. ratio to allow for Big Boost numbers! Nitro motors for your info..are firing via heat of compression through the "top half" of the pass.

[TurbinePower69]

@mattio79 Have you Ever attended tractor / sled pulls?..in particular, the Super Stock classes(Diesel) or, the Super Semi Class ? There is a reason, that they "spit & sputter" at idle, and have to SLOWLY bring the rpms up until they can begin to make boost & add fuel (diesel)...because most are running an "average" of 10 to 1 static comp. ratio to allow for Big Boost numbers! Nitro motors for your info..are firing via heat of compression through the "top half" of the pass for the most part.

[wsc448]

@MrTokeit You need to put the pipe down. My 6.7 Cummins has 17.3 to 1 CR stock.

Then add boost/fuel and more boost/fuel for more HP/TQ

[studdgage]

@MrTokeit lol no they dont my super duty is 17:1 compression stock. We often bump it up higher when and add more fuel and boost. With out the compression the diesels wouldnt run very well.

[Bamchucknorris]

@MrTokeit are you retarded? diesels are compression combustion engines. they have super high compression in order to run.

[TurbinePower69]

@Bamchucknorris Diesels only need a minimum of 14.75 to 1 cr to burn straight diesel, however the cr is raised for diesels in two basic conditions & criteria's.1)turbo charged -vs- NA & 2) large displacement-vs- small displacement. 1) Static CR is Always higher for a NA diesel than turbo / supercharged. 2) CR is Always higher in "small displacement" diesels (ie: pick-up truck & car type diesels) compared to semi truck diesels & larger...to help produce torque...2cycles(DD) being ONE exception.

[Bamchucknorris]

@TurbinePower69 Yes i understand compression ratios in boosted applicatons and small engine applicatoins but diesel engines still have high compression in the world of internal combusion engines.

[TurbinePower69]

@Bamchucknorris Thanks for your reply. Yes, True...in the "world" of "small" automotive orientated diesels, (re:high speed) including semis....however in the "world" of Very High performance Diesels (ie: sled pulls, drag racing, etc) and medium ( 200ci per cyl. to 1000 ci per cyl.) displacement to Large disp. diesels (1000ci per cyl. and larger) and medium Speed diesels (up TO 900 rpms) and SLOW Spd diesels (500 rpms and below) those CR's don't necessarily hold true.

[6inchsmoke]

i want the motor that banks built for the military. Supercharged and twin turbos!

[r3dx79]

commonrail diesel from what i could see .

no wonder its so darn powerfull whitout the smoke

[bleachworthy]

common rail on crack, turn up the fuel pressure and see what it can REALLY do XD

[hrolfdane5]

I didn't know Cummins made V8s?

[Duff11993]

@hrolfdane5 Cummins are an Inline 6

[Duff11993]

@hrolfdane5 Cummins are a Inline 6 cylinder diesel there is no V8 that i am aware of if any thing it would be an Inline 8 which i am pretty sure only exists in a road tractor. the point of a V is the engine block is in a V shape that is where the name came from

[THESLEEPERify]

@Duff11993 cummins does make a V8 engine in fact they make a V6,V12,&V16

[mattio79]

@Duff11993 there are drilling rig engines as well as tugboat engines and small ship engines made by cummins that are v8 v10 and v12 and v16

[denny099999999]

@Duff11993 cummins in a dodge are inline 6. cummins is there own corperation and produce many diesels that are not i6. the i6 was just designed for dodge by cummins. most cummins in non dodge applications are infact larger than i6.

[kemp3651]

@denny099999999 This couldnt be any farther than the truth...

[denny099999999]

@kemp3651 ? so ur tellin me im wrong about cummins bein thier own corperation..? cummins only come with i6? what are you trying to say.. at least make sense and explain why...

[bleachworthy]

it's a duramax, btw

[noahandshell]

Your killing me! 5 months later from the first debut and all we get is a fire-up! But I will patiently wait, only because I know it will be worth it!

[FORDGTFANATIC]

please start making this engine available to the public

[DieselTruckin]

Sounds pretty much just like the Type-D. I could listen to that thing idle all day long.

[hermie912]

The Mighty Duramax on Banks' steroids! Outstanding!

[seroyer2]

Gale please make some parts for the German Diesel cars that are coming over here now.

[RickArter]

That things is sick sounds so tame 5/5

[firesquare16]

i agree 100% i wonder if that would fit in a GMC pickup :-P

[Fallraptor]

very nice, I guessing some good numbers once it goes down the track

[6030diesel]

thats a duramax right?

[bankspowerinsider]

Yes sir it is indeed a Duramax diesel.

[RacerDude96]

@bankspowerinsider ehh cummins are btr get more power and its lighter

[bankspowerinsider]

@RacerDude96 While the Cummins engine is indeed a great engine we felt the Duramax was a better choice for a number of reasons. To start the Duramax has a shorter stroke which reduces the piston speed at a given RPM while the Cummins stroke is much longer reducing it's top RPM pontential. As for weight, the Cummins engine, ready to go in the truck, is about 1150 pounds as compared to the Duramax at around 835 pounds.

[RacerDude96]

@bankspowerinsider No way! really? a v8 thats lighter then a I6? thats nuts

[bankspowerinsider]

@RacerDude96 The cylinder head, alone, on the Cummins engine comes in around 300 pounds.

[edturbos]

@bankspowerinsider

[DieselFreakUSMC]

@bankspowerinsider That's because of Aluminum heads which melt at around 1212 degrees. Good luck. lmfao

[bankspowerinsider]

@DieselFreakUSMC That's the melting point of pure aluminum not an alloy which all aluminum cylinder heads and aluminum pistons are made of. If you statment were true all pistons in all engines (gas or diesel) would melt above that temp and that's obviously not the case as cylinder temps over 1200 degrees are very common.