wait he said to turn left of echo hold short of yankee, then he asked IBERIA to hold short of FB? i think ATC messed IBERIA up, im looking at an airport diagram now but this may have been a while back
I don't think you can go onesided on this one: the controller is really really heavy on his accent and goes on with excessive talking (he keeps saying stuff that's unnecessary to the things he's asking), which it's kinda nice but it makes difficult to understand what you are saying when the listener is struggling with the language. On the other hand, the pilot doesn't go with standard phraseology either (he doesn't give a complete reply "hold short of 4L, Iberia...") but then thats just me
Pilot´s brain collapsed. He didn´t say anything when the Atc clearly tells him to read back "hold short 4L". To avoid confusions, it´s better to say "Runway 4L". I think that the pilot was trying to find out where Fox Left was, or something like that. Sometimes, the americans use slang and talk too fast, Anyway, not only this pilot, but everybody would update their english.
Que gracioso, ademas dice el tio que esta "very busy tonight"... a lo mejor se cree que los pilotos, despues de un vuelo de 8 horas a un aeropuerto dificil, como JFK, y en otro idioma, se estan tocando lo cojones!!... menudo imbécil.
Que alguien le diga a ese controlador que se saque el hueso de aceituna de la boca!!!
Parece mentira que no vocabulicen correctamente, una cosa son los acentos pero para un trabajo asi deberian de standarizar un poco ese "ingles" chavacano que tienen.
Señores que les den clases de fonetica a los controladores!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW that just sounds dangerous for a pilot to do something like that. I know he didnt ignore the ATC he didnt understand him. By reading other comments Im guessing most if not all pilots need to speak english.
I tell you as a brazilian ATCO, that we have communication problems even between latin america crew and us. How many countries have english as the main language? JFK atcos are great, but sometimes they forget that be understood is what matters. They talk slangs, sometimes TOO fast but I understand the airport has a crazy traffic. We learn the phraseology and we have to run after the fluence. Only now Brazil is sending some civilian atcos to study english at FAA in Oklahoma. Pity.
@docinhocarioca Man I don´t think that guy could have spoken any slower than that... Spanish people (generally) have a problem with english (and their accent) and that´s it... Ask any pilot who crosses spanish airspace into Portugal or from Portugal and he/she will tell you the difference.
@bruno84 Por Favor cuantas tonterias hablan, cualquier piloto Español esta tan bien preparado como cualquier piloto Americano, ingles o frances... El acento no es un problema, esto es un caso aislado. Al que habla de que un piloto portuges tiene problemas al sobrebolar espacio aereo Español, decirle que sera por que el piloto portuges no habla ingles o lo habla bastante mal... hoy dia Iberia, Air Europa, Spanair o cualquier compañia Española es segura y sus pilotos estan bien preparados...
@bruno84 Please tell how many nonsense, any pilot Spanish is as well prepared as any American pilot, English or French ... The accent is not a problem, this is an isolated case. When speaking of a Portuguese driver has trouble sobrebolar Spanish airspace, will tell you that the Portuguese driver does not speak English or speak it very badly ... today Iberia, Air Europa, Spanair or Spanish company is safe and their drivers are well prepared ...
ATC should have had EVERY aircraft STOP weather in air or ground... stop where they where, so he could gather his thoughts and figure his way through this... lol
Sounds to me like there was a bit of fault in BOTH the pilot AND the controller. Most of it is because the pilot can't understand even simple English, or speak it either .... and he's attempting to fly into an English-speaking country.
But also sounds like the controller contradicted himself a time or two with what he was wanting the pilot to do. Then when it lapsed into pure confusion, he just started arguing. ATC's, above ALL else, MUST know how to remain calm under pressure.
@offamychain Doesn't matter what country he's flying in. If you want to be a pilot you HAVE to speak English. ATC is in English anywhere in the world.
@euplot The primary language they use is English! You are expected to know English fluently, and if you don't then you are stupid for becoming a pilot. They may use a native language to a native airline, but every controller anywhere will know English.
@Sting3733 If you are a pilot, and fly in all those countries you can use one of this languages. When I fly in Spain, I use (español) spanish. Yes, all ATC are required english. And the PPL pilots, in non english countries, use native language. Just to let you know
@euplot you can't even fly as a commercial airline crew without the English endorsement - who cares what ppl's do in their native countries - this video is JFK, dude, that's for the big boys who are supposed to be able to follow the simplest instructions as this particular Iberia crew obviously couldn't do.
My friend worked for ATC in Hong Kong International - he will tell you that English is the default language - EVERYBODY must speak ENGLISH when handling aircraft. Although he spoke cantonese with pilots of certain airlines, it is still neccessary that he be conversant in English. It doesnt matter that a Russian or Chinese pilot communicates in their own language when at home but outside their country the pilots need to speak english FLUENTLY. ENGLISH is the DEFAULT LANGUAGE.
@euplot no my friend YOU are wrong.. to fly internationally you must have your license certified for the English Language proficiency exam; there are no other proficiency exams out there. I speak 4 languages well but the only one that keeps my license valid is the English language. For your information I am in my 44th year aviating and am current as captain on wide body aircraft In certain locations for domestic flights, the local language is used for convenience but English skill is required.
@altazboy Yes, you are right, English is in use all over the world, but if you are a pilot flying in North America (Mexico), Central America and South America you can use Spanish, cause is a ICAO language ( Just like: ENGLISH; FRENCH; RUSSIAN; ARABIC and CHINESE)
But dont worry, ATC will talk to you in English. Comprendes!
don´t think that ALL Latin America and Central America speaks spanish. What is the oficial language of Brazil??? don´t try to communicate with any brazilian atco in spanish.. we will not answer!
@euplot Thanks for telling me all about how ATC will communicate with me, i've got 26,000 hours over 43 years flying and 15 of those years were in south america and caribbean, two more years based in Taipei, and 13 based in the middle east.. ademas pa que sepas, hablo y entiendo correctamente el castellano, idioma el cual utilizabamos frecuentemente volando en Colombia y Venezuela. That doesn't change what I was saying about the requirement to speak English to a high level.
@altazboy I want to be a pilot , you must be a captain on a big aircraft sir.
The Iberia pilot was out of here but it sounded bad for him...'' DON'T MOOVE YOUR PLANE , STAY RIGHT THERE '' .. god...I would be shy in his situation , understanding english in aviation it's a must , I'm french actually , I won't talk in french to any ATC , I'll use english.
@euplot If you are so know ICAO standards then you'll be aware that the only language which is compulsory is English and the pilots' licenses must be so endorsed for international flight. No such endorsement exists for any of the other languages you mention. I log about 500 hours per year in and out of the Arabian peninsula and can tell you I have less than half dozen times heard Arabia being used. My hats off to my Arab ATC and pilot colleagues for their excellent command of English.
@offamychain I didn't hear any contradictions. As Iberia got more and more out of whack, the controller got more and more specific with his instructions. When it got to the point where the Iberia pilot couldn't read back a simple hold short instruction, that's where the tower should have (and probably did) given the landline number to the pilot. He has an unacceptable mastery of the English language, which is used worldwide for all ATC communications.
@offamychain this controller did a fabulous job - I fly all over the world and can tell you that under the circumstances this IS cool. IB6253 is lucky it wasn't some of the controllers I deal with in many other parts of the world, they would have sent the airport reps to the aircraft in many places I go. Imagine the idiot couldn't read back "stop the plane"...
49 seconds ago Well this is the very reason the ICAO is mandating all international pilots speak English. Starting in March 2011 you must pass the ICAO Level 4 test if you want to be licensed to fly internationally, all pilots will need to be on the same page spekaing one language. If you are a pilot you can take an online test with this company "aviation english training .com" to get certified.
The controller's name is Arnie, I guess from Arnold. I've read somewhere that they made him retire, yet he was a very effective (and also funny) controller. Check his other recording on youtube, called 'JFK Ground', that is the most funny ATC recording I've ever heard! :D
I'll be honest, this is an embarrassment. How these people can possibly be pilots surprises me. Not only is unprofessional, but also very dangerous. Who in their right mind would employ a long-haul pilot who CANNOT speak English.. in fact.. it doesn't matter if they don't speak it perfectly, but they cannot even read back correctly.
I'm 17, I speak 3 languages, Learning one more, come on, it's not hard.
All european airlines flying into Spain know that most of the spanish pilots from Iberia, airnostrum and Spanair are plain assholes. They behave rude and unprofessional on the radio every day. I just love to hear them squirming in other countries trying to speak english or trying to copy a correct clearance with a correct read back. People with private licenses and no experience have better skills then these clowns.
Iberia no es una mala empresa de aviacion pero definitivamente los espanoles y el ingles no se llevan bien. Este piloto lo lleva claro si no entiende instrucciones basicas en ingles como HOLD SHORT of 4L on FB; lo peor de todo es que los de Iberia se creen lo mejor de lo mejor y ya lo ven, la cagan igual que el resto del mundo.
Que pena ... estos pilotos no deverian estar volando internacionalmente si no entienden instruciones tan bacica "hold short" es imperativo repetir y entender lo que le estan esperando de ellos. Muchas vidas en manos de incompetentes. La pregunta es que hizo Iberia despues de esto?
If air controller had spoken with "BBC accented English", no problem would have happened, but this american accent renders coversation difficult to whom is not American. In Europe people learns english with audio recorded from British actors, not american ones!
And Iberia it is not a bad airline; IT IS A GOOD AIRLINE. The most important air company flying to Latin America. It's joined British Airways to become the third most important group in the world. A particulary mistake from a particulary pilot doesn't mean anything else but a mistake.
Holy sh!t, this was my biggest fear of all when I was younger, cause my english wasn't good but now is like having a casual conversation, I'm currently working on my multi-engine license!!!
'Hold short' and 'stop the plane', repeated clearly and slowly several times is 'non-standard', difficult terminology? Come on you guys! These are pro INTERNATIONAL pilots, and should be more than well versed in English, ATC terminology, and common sense. Forget accents. 'Hold short' is 'hold short' in Britain, the US, Australia, France, etc. ATC uses English all over the world.
No excuse for the pilot there, however you guys might try to excuse him.
@Kamadev888 Im British and I didn't even understand some words there from the controller. Spaniards are used to British accent. American accent is very hard for them to understand. U should try to use an internacional or standard accent like BBC World channel... or pure British accent, since we invented the language, lol xD
@AngelGilmour may i remind you all this isn't an pure american accent, it's quite bostonian/new york/new jersey/etc thick.
personally i think that that pilot should be listening to the tower, they know more about where everyone is and the pilot just simply can't fly a plane and watch for traffic at the same time....
@Juticar I just know two things: I didn't even understand some words there from the american airport and the controller could make an effort trying to minimize his strong bronx accent if he's consciuos that there are ppl from all the world and not only american. So, standard / international accent please. If a british plane flies to Argentina wouldn't understand a thing because they learn Castilian and not a bad copy of it from our colonies :)
At Heathrow we have the problem with language barriers atleast once a day but I've never heard a controller get rounded up by it. In america, as soon as something don't go the way the controllers want they seem to try and solve the problem by making the pilots nervous and confused.
Seems like a field trip to an european airport would be a good idea to include in the american ATC course.
@EuroPiIot Would be funny regarding language, except thousands of lives are literally on the line. Therefore the ATC controller has to be harsh. Safety first!
@X46RAPTOR Considering the fact that peoples lives are at stake, he has to be professional. That means dealing with a problem calm and methodologic just like pilots are trained to do in an emergency. To become frustrated like this air controller did is not the way to go.
@EuroPiIot He wasn't frustrated he was just telling the pilot to stop in a much more intense manner. It his fault he does not speak english and that in itself is a breach of international aviation regulations.
no pienso sea la primera vez que visitan KJFK... creo que el piloto está adapatado a escuchar cualquier acento. El problema es también las horas de vuelo que llevan. Pero no es para decir que los españoles somos unos negados con el inglés...
no pienso sea la primera vez que visitan KJFK... creo que el piloto está adapatado a escuchar cualquier acento. El problema es también las horas de vuelo que llevan. Pero no es para decir que los españoles somos unos negados con el inglés...
If u ask me, this is mostly down to the American controller not the Spanish pilot. I'm english and I couldn't understand him too well! I've never had a problem with Iberia pilots before. Listen to the amount of non standard phraseology the jfk controller is using! Not surprised the pilot had difficulties.
Yeah, I'm not xenophobic or anything like a lot of people however for a job like being an airline pilot it's pretty crucial to be able to speak english fluently. I heard this one and also another with an airchina 747 it just seems really dangerous to me that some of these guys can barely understand english. It's like a disaster waiting to happen.
@malditonombrecojido no es que sean creidos, es que, definitivamente, a un español se le reconoce por su forma de hablar ingles y si seguimos empecinados en que todo el mundo debe hablar español, aviados vamos. no way on it pal!!!! y te lo dice un madrileño, piloto y criado en el pais de los, como dices "creidos"
Pues me parece bien, pero tampoco es que se las den de saviondos, tampoco digo que aprendan español ya que yo no lo e dicho, si lo as visto... mal vamos; Solo digo que vengan a Madrid y les den Alpha al sur y se apañen...
@quikozska te sorprenderia ver que bien hablan español muchos mas norteamericanos que españoles hablando ingles. Definitivamente, los españoles son en su mayoria unos negados para los idiomas y, en especial, el ingles.
@quikozska bueno, el ingles es el idioma de la aviacion y si vuelas 340 y cruzas el Atlantico es tu obligacion ser fluido y entender ingles en la aviacion. Mas aun si vuelas a NY, que esperas?? hablar espaniol? aaaaaaay raza pendeja
@americanblues05 típico latino americano que no puede dar su opinión sin insultar a alguien. Vosotros ni sabéis hablar nuestro idioma después de 500 años "hablándolo" y ahora tú vienes fanfarroneando sobre el inglés e insultando? LOL. Por cierto, usa los acentos y la ñ. En castellano es norma ;) Y aprende inglés británico que en tus videos subidos suenas a rata del bronx
@AngelGilmour Entonces tu unica defensa, es atacar una cultura y una idiosincracia general presente en America Latina. La forma en que se habla Espaniol en las Americas es resultado de un desarrollo del lenguaje, durante 500 anios.... y solo porque tu lo dices, yo no se hablar Espaniol.... ya totally make sense mate. Ah y por cierto: keyboard americano, no hay enie ni acentos. Ah no sabias? Twat
@americanblues05 Típico latino americano ofensivo que no entiende que hace mal uso del castellano. Con gran frecuencia no sólo no ponéis acentos sino que confundís la s con la c y la z. (arroS en lugar de arroz). Y por cierto, yo también tengo keyboard en inglés, soy mitad británico mitad español y puedo encontrarlos. No tienes que tener un keyboard en español para poder poner las caracteres en español (usa alt + 164, 160, etc.) si quieres te hago un croquis para tu entiendas. Y no insultes!
@AngelGilmour hahaha in yer last two responses uve started with the same statement. And dude, who the fuck made spellin mistakes in spanish. at least not me... plus chill the fuck out, this is youtube, It aint fuckin Yale or some shit....second off, who gives a shit if ur half british half gachupin.... i aint give a crap... n who the fuck are u to tell me not to insult people??? U think yer so fuckin classy n so fuckin snoby?? Yer a fuckeen moron dude
@americanblues05 Warning troll on the web! Yeah, I'm whatever u want mate... however, I've watched ur videos and the only one here who looks like a moron is u. In GBR many ppl would think ur a paki or a moron, but not!! Ur a Mexi-taco!!. I bet u would like to be white in order to fit in the American society. Bye troll. I give u an advise: try to be polite ok? I don't care if this is yt or real life. But... What can we expect from a troll like u? ;)
@AngelGilmour Apparently I matter that much to u... thank you, U took the time to spend some time on my account. You are that pathetic. In GBR people can fuck off, I aint got no interest on spending my time trying to figure out what european douschebags think of me. And no baby, I wont take any advise from a fuckin racist as you. That is even worse man, that shows the kinda prick u are. Last wish: may u die painfully and burn in fucking hell. Have a good day
@americanblues05 Nope, I live in a peacefull country where human rights are respected by Government, Police and Justice, not in a country fulled of corruption, mafia and drug cartels. Probably you moved on America looking for the peace you didn't find in your home land. Good night sir!
@americanblues05 btw, when speaking English try to remember that rule that says u have to add the "s" in verbs when is in third singular person. "Yeah, it totally makeS sense mate". U don't even know how to speak Spanish and English and u dare to criticize the Spanish pilot? Yeah, that's typical from Latin American people. I don't need more proofs. Ur real trolls. I bet u answer insulting again.
@AngelGilmour you probably should try to remember how to fuckin read properly. It said: ya totally make sense. ya=you Oh shiiit..... it wasnt too hard, was it? n whats the deal with u feelin so superior eh? Dude, yer Spanish!!!!!!! like... I would respect ya way more if u were from some Scandinavian country or sumthing... but dude... Spaaain!!!! N ya bet right...... fuck you!!!
@americanblues05 I'm Spanish, from the country who conquested the half of the word and your Shittymexico. Hey you're from Mexico? How dare you? I would respect you if you were Canadian. ;) But nooo! You're a taco pretending to be American. And if you just write English in a proper way, I would understand it. Do you live in Arizona? I bet you're worried about the SB1070. You'd better run like hell, back to Xitlotzingo, lol!
@AngelGilmour American!!??? You didnt creep me enough mate. Getting a degree from Queen's University.... any idea of the reputation of such school, and where it is? I dont think so.... so anyways.... the deal is, once u play the racist card, people realize the kind of "person" you are. And you should be worried about terrorist blowing up your fucking cities...British and Spanish pricks died those two days... recall?? have fun haha
@americanblues05 Yeah, we've got a problem with immigration issues in the EU. The same problem America has with Mexico. That's why I support SB1070. Le Pen and BNP must rule in the EU!! lol U have showed the kind of person u are showing all that unrespect for the people who have died in Islamic attacks in London and Madrid and our forces in Mid-west. Thank u for unveiling the mystery! Do u think the same about Sept 11? Wow, ur very thankfull to the society who opens its doors to you!
@AngelGilmour Society who opens the door to me? hahaha u stupid fuck I live in Canada.... oh god u know... just stop, all that comes outta yer mouth its just pure shit, so just knock if off bro
@americanblues05 Yeah, Canada, a British colony and u've already insulted to the British who have died in those fanatic attacks. But, what can we expect from a Latin American troll who enjoys the welfare state from another people? ;) Pay the bill for ur medicines! XD
@AngelGilmour I live in Canada, not in the UK... I can say whhatever the fuck I want from ur stupid fucking country. See baby, shit keeps pouring from your mouth.
@americanblues05 U just know swearing and insulting?! Too rude for a European like me and too typical from a Latin American troll like you. That's the difference between North American (European) and Sout America (where u have lost ur european roots in order to become Quetzalcoalt king again, just like Hugo Chavez, the same thing).
@americanblues05 definitivamente los españoles no se llevan bien con los idiomas????? sabes de donde es la jefa de traductoras de la ONU???? de Zaragoza que jodida esta la ONU verdad??? habra de todo o que?? juzgais muy a la ligera señores.
@quikozska Sos un capo jajaja eso mismo digo yo aparte no ayudan, es una compania extranjera con lengua española, si no entendí por favor que repita mas despacio no en gangoso, porque es lo mismo... son unos idiotas
@quikozska That’s not going to happen, because if you want to be an international pilot, you must speak either English OR the native language of the place you intend to fly to, and when in doubt, you speak english. You MUST understand english and be able to understand the basics of the job you’re doing. This is not funny. The Iberia pilot is clearly unqualified to be in that position.
@mmarconcini Iberia is well known to be an Airline full of sons of pilots, just been in the family they get the jobs, some are qualified others like this one, no! But the company is one of the best in maintenance, mechanics are much better than their pilots.
I am an airline pilot of a British airline. The controller was speaking heavily accented, very fast, non standard phraseology. No wonder the Iberia didn't know what the hell to do. The controller was crap!
@quikozska Pues vaya estupidez monumental acabas de decir. El idioma para ser piloto en vuelos internacionales es inglés. O lo aprendes o no vuelas, y por supuesto no juegas con las vidas de todos los pasajeros que tienes a bordo.
@quikozska el espanol no es el idioma oficial de la aviacion. es requerido hablar y entender muy bien el ingles para poderse obtener documentos para servir como tripulante abordo un avion volando vuelos internacionales. si los gringos u otros que no hablan espanol bien tienen problemas comunicando en castellano pues asi es la vida pero no van a poner a otros en peligro por falta de profesionalismo. esa tripulacion de IB6253 no son calificados para trabajar en vuelos internacionales.
it means you have a license to fly a single engine airplane then you go through more training to get you mulit-engine endorsement. It just means now you can fly a plane with more than one engine.
i dont whant to bitch. but pilots who dont SPEAKA THE ENGLISH should not be flying. there are hundres of people on the plane and hundreds more on the other planes. if they dont listen to ATC there will be a accident. and many people would die. so for all the dummies out there. ATC IS ALWAYS RIGHT. pilot just needs to shut up listen and readback
Wow, the comment ATC is always right is a stupid one. That will get you killed flying. ATC is not god. ATC are people like you and me who make mistakes. you cant rely on them. You Listen to them but if they say something you dont like or dont want to do u dont have to do it as PIC you have the final authority of what to do with your plane. I hope your not a pilot cause that was a stupid stupid comment.
im not. but if you are your the one that should be grounded. if pilots dont listen then accidents happen. your foolish to even think my comment is stupid. there are there to controlll traffic. if a cops tell u to stop do u drive on or ignore him
The PIC can deviate from any ATC directive, all you have to do is notify them as soon as practicable. Do you really think ATC is always right. You need to look up so accident investigatons. Fly, navigate, communicate. You need to keep up on your FAR/AIM as well. Your comment was extremely stupid.
i dint whant to reply back, but your cometing the same as last. but in a nother context. read my last
if a cop tells u to stop do u roll down your window and tell him to fuck of and let u drive where u whant. i have some pilots that disagree with your comments. and if they would catch u doing shit like this with a plane they report u, no atc report needed.u will looose your licence
you obviously dont understand what im saying. This pilot in the video was just stupid. And he did the wrong thing. i was only commenting on you saying ATC is always right, which is dead wrong. You cant compare ATC to a police officer. Not the same thing at all. Im sorry but you dont know what you are talking about. I know your not a pilot.
ATC are not ALWAYS right!!!some accidents happened because of them...now, the problem on here is "the accent", this "gringo" knowing that the pilot doesnt have a native English,is getting upset because of that...
ATC is nowhere near always right. MOREOVER, ATC is NEVER SUPPOSED TO GET AN ATTITUDE. No matter how retarded the pilot, ATC IS THERE TO HELP THE PILOT. This controller is EXTREMELY unprofessional.
In this case, ATC should have dealt with the pilot with patience and file a full formal complaint. The pilot was in the wrong, but JFK is HUGE. What if it was the crew's first time there? Attitudes like that will help no one.
Once again you show how stupid you are. The PIC has the final authority at what to do with an airplane. They just have to notify ATC as soon as they can. LOOK it up in the FAR/AIM buddy. this pilot was just stupid i realize that and im not saying it was right now to follow directions. But to say ATC is always right is just a stupid comment. If your not comfortable with something ATC tells you to do, you dont have to do it, its your plane and your life. as PIC you have the Final say.
dude, seriously... I hope you do not even have a recreational pilot license. PIC is the final authority but going against ATC clearances, is a good way to see your license go bye-bye. Dogsofwar is right. Pilots can only deviate in case of emergency or to avoid violating an FAR, after which they must promptly inform ATC.
MY only point was that: ATC could have and should have been way more professional and Iberia needs to do a better job with their pilots.
Ok its funny because you dont understand. If your flying along and ATC tells you to make a left turn to the west, well you look at your charts and know there is a mountain there. What the controller ment to say was make a right turn. As in ATC makes mistakes too meaning never just assume they are correct they are not god of the sky, they are people who makes mistakes. Dont be afraid of questioning ATC if you think they might be wrong. AS for this due in the vid, he is stupid
That's what I said. You can deviate in case of emergency or if what they say will make you violate a rule. However, if it's not a life or death thing, you should ask for an amended clearance before deciding to go against what they just told you
Im hispanic, and I speak fluent English, and im still gonna cuz that dumbass pilot out! Why dont these airlines train their pilots on better English communication?? I dont get it! Its the international language!
wait he said to turn left of echo hold short of yankee, then he asked IBERIA to hold short of FB? i think ATC messed IBERIA up, im looking at an airport diagram now but this may have been a while back
ThePilotBuddy 1 week ago
This is a very "marked" video. =p
russmassey615 1 month ago
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a goog atc must have good ditcion, for those who do not use English as their native language, and ... this is not the case
pablopincelillo 1 month ago
a good atc must have good diction, for those who do not use English as their native language, and ... this is not the case!
pablopincelillo 1 month ago
Its his fawking new yawk accent, and run on sentences that is messing stuff up.
alnilam66 1 month ago
the famous Arnie!!
SFSwitzerland 1 month ago
I don't think you can go onesided on this one: the controller is really really heavy on his accent and goes on with excessive talking (he keeps saying stuff that's unnecessary to the things he's asking), which it's kinda nice but it makes difficult to understand what you are saying when the listener is struggling with the language. On the other hand, the pilot doesn't go with standard phraseology either (he doesn't give a complete reply "hold short of 4L, Iberia...") but then thats just me
daspidrr 2 months ago
This video went viral on Malta
mitchellmira13 2 months ago
That controller cant pretend to be universaly understood talking in that way...
Semeiron 3 months ago
Pilot´s brain collapsed. He didn´t say anything when the Atc clearly tells him to read back "hold short 4L". To avoid confusions, it´s better to say "Runway 4L". I think that the pilot was trying to find out where Fox Left was, or something like that. Sometimes, the americans use slang and talk too fast, Anyway, not only this pilot, but everybody would update their english.
xiscomi1 3 months ago
Pilot needs to listen and respond according to ATC protocal---shame!
edr50 3 months ago
the pilot didnt understand sh!t .... and the ATC as very clear... over and over... STOP THE FRAKING PLANE !
fmatos22 4 months ago
I am Spaniard. And I am ashamed of Iberia behaviour. ATC english is perfectly clear. He repeats several time to hold short 4L! Clear and loud!!!!
windtoday 5 months ago
Que gracioso, ademas dice el tio que esta "very busy tonight"... a lo mejor se cree que los pilotos, despues de un vuelo de 8 horas a un aeropuerto dificil, como JFK, y en otro idioma, se estan tocando lo cojones!!... menudo imbécil.
MrPemifer 5 months ago in playlist MrPemifer's favorites
JFK?.... No es donde los controladores se llevan a sus hijos a controlar aviones?...
JFK?... Isn´t that the place where controllers allow their sons to control airplanes?...
MrPemifer 5 months ago
Que alguien le diga a ese controlador que se saque el hueso de aceituna de la boca!!!
Parece mentira que no vocabulicen correctamente, una cosa son los acentos pero para un trabajo asi deberian de standarizar un poco ese "ingles" chavacano que tienen.
Señores que les den clases de fonetica a los controladores!!!!!!!!!!!
Igual no saben lo que es.
Un saludo.
jobtktato 5 months ago
This pilot is not qualified to have this job. He endangered the lives of everyone on board and possibly on other planes.
SQK1200 5 months ago
This is funny lol =P This is basic ATC terminology and the pilot couldnt understand or wasnt listning =D
fsmasterjohn 5 months ago
Personally, if no one was hurt or had their feelings harmed, why not laugh a little?
DanTheSmallMan 10 months ago 2
Iberia is an absolute reliable and dependable major air carrier.
perezster 10 months ago
WOW that just sounds dangerous for a pilot to do something like that. I know he didnt ignore the ATC he didnt understand him. By reading other comments Im guessing most if not all pilots need to speak english.
midfielderlegend 11 months ago
"he's bigger than us" ....... ahhahaahahahahahahahahahaha
av8ist 11 months ago 5
I tell you as a brazilian ATCO, that we have communication problems even between latin america crew and us. How many countries have english as the main language? JFK atcos are great, but sometimes they forget that be understood is what matters. They talk slangs, sometimes TOO fast but I understand the airport has a crazy traffic. We learn the phraseology and we have to run after the fluence. Only now Brazil is sending some civilian atcos to study english at FAA in Oklahoma. Pity.
docinhocarioca 1 year ago 8
@docinhocarioca Man I don´t think that guy could have spoken any slower than that... Spanish people (generally) have a problem with english (and their accent) and that´s it... Ask any pilot who crosses spanish airspace into Portugal or from Portugal and he/she will tell you the difference.
bruno84 7 months ago
@bruno84 Por Favor cuantas tonterias hablan, cualquier piloto Español esta tan bien preparado como cualquier piloto Americano, ingles o frances... El acento no es un problema, esto es un caso aislado. Al que habla de que un piloto portuges tiene problemas al sobrebolar espacio aereo Español, decirle que sera por que el piloto portuges no habla ingles o lo habla bastante mal... hoy dia Iberia, Air Europa, Spanair o cualquier compañia Española es segura y sus pilotos estan bien preparados...
Kurt1994Cobain 7 months ago
@bruno84 Please tell how many nonsense, any pilot Spanish is as well prepared as any American pilot, English or French ... The accent is not a problem, this is an isolated case. When speaking of a Portuguese driver has trouble sobrebolar Spanish airspace, will tell you that the Portuguese driver does not speak English or speak it very badly ... today Iberia, Air Europa, Spanair or Spanish company is safe and their drivers are well prepared ...
Kurt1994Cobain 7 months ago
by the way, este pendejo was taxying on ZA which is not capable for his aircraft type and he wasn't even aware of that - a real pro this guy...
altazboy 1 year ago
sting3733 your english is so wrong
americadecali45 1 year ago
ATC should have had EVERY aircraft STOP weather in air or ground... stop where they where, so he could gather his thoughts and figure his way through this... lol
e081194eng 1 year ago
a340-300 or a340-600?
kristianfogdal 1 year ago
Sounds to me like there was a bit of fault in BOTH the pilot AND the controller. Most of it is because the pilot can't understand even simple English, or speak it either .... and he's attempting to fly into an English-speaking country.
But also sounds like the controller contradicted himself a time or two with what he was wanting the pilot to do. Then when it lapsed into pure confusion, he just started arguing. ATC's, above ALL else, MUST know how to remain calm under pressure.
offamychain 1 year ago
@offamychain Doesn't matter what country he's flying in. If you want to be a pilot you HAVE to speak English. ATC is in English anywhere in the world.
Sting3733 1 year ago
@Sting3733 You are wrong. 6 languages are ICAO (use by ATC) : ENGLISH; SPANISH; FRANCH; RUSSIAN; ARABIC and CHINESE !
euplot 1 year ago
@euplot The primary language they use is English! You are expected to know English fluently, and if you don't then you are stupid for becoming a pilot. They may use a native language to a native airline, but every controller anywhere will know English.
Sting3733 1 year ago
@Sting3733 If you are a pilot, and fly in all those countries you can use one of this languages. When I fly in Spain, I use (español) spanish. Yes, all ATC are required english. And the PPL pilots, in non english countries, use native language. Just to let you know
euplot 1 year ago
@euplot you can't even fly as a commercial airline crew without the English endorsement - who cares what ppl's do in their native countries - this video is JFK, dude, that's for the big boys who are supposed to be able to follow the simplest instructions as this particular Iberia crew obviously couldn't do.
altazboy 1 year ago
My friend worked for ATC in Hong Kong International - he will tell you that English is the default language - EVERYBODY must speak ENGLISH when handling aircraft. Although he spoke cantonese with pilots of certain airlines, it is still neccessary that he be conversant in English. It doesnt matter that a Russian or Chinese pilot communicates in their own language when at home but outside their country the pilots need to speak english FLUENTLY. ENGLISH is the DEFAULT LANGUAGE.
civicnation4two 1 year ago
...for the record, im not one of these goofs who only speak english. I speak both english and spanish.
civicnation4two 1 year ago
@euplot no my friend YOU are wrong.. to fly internationally you must have your license certified for the English Language proficiency exam; there are no other proficiency exams out there. I speak 4 languages well but the only one that keeps my license valid is the English language. For your information I am in my 44th year aviating and am current as captain on wide body aircraft In certain locations for domestic flights, the local language is used for convenience but English skill is required.
altazboy 1 year ago
@altazboy Yes, you are right, English is in use all over the world, but if you are a pilot flying in North America (Mexico), Central America and South America you can use Spanish, cause is a ICAO language ( Just like: ENGLISH; FRENCH; RUSSIAN; ARABIC and CHINESE)
But dont worry, ATC will talk to you in English. Comprendes!
euplot 1 year ago
@euplot
don´t think that ALL Latin America and Central America speaks spanish. What is the oficial language of Brazil??? don´t try to communicate with any brazilian atco in spanish.. we will not answer!
docinhocarioca 1 year ago
@euplot Thanks for telling me all about how ATC will communicate with me, i've got 26,000 hours over 43 years flying and 15 of those years were in south america and caribbean, two more years based in Taipei, and 13 based in the middle east.. ademas pa que sepas, hablo y entiendo correctamente el castellano, idioma el cual utilizabamos frecuentemente volando en Colombia y Venezuela. That doesn't change what I was saying about the requirement to speak English to a high level.
altazboy 1 year ago
@altazboy I want to be a pilot , you must be a captain on a big aircraft sir.
The Iberia pilot was out of here but it sounded bad for him...'' DON'T MOOVE YOUR PLANE , STAY RIGHT THERE '' .. god...I would be shy in his situation , understanding english in aviation it's a must , I'm french actually , I won't talk in french to any ATC , I'll use english.
RushBigFanL94 8 months ago
@euplot If you are so know ICAO standards then you'll be aware that the only language which is compulsory is English and the pilots' licenses must be so endorsed for international flight. No such endorsement exists for any of the other languages you mention. I log about 500 hours per year in and out of the Arabian peninsula and can tell you I have less than half dozen times heard Arabia being used. My hats off to my Arab ATC and pilot colleagues for their excellent command of English.
altazboy 1 year ago
@euplot and GERMAN isn't? damn, i thought it was...
Chunbot882 10 months ago
@offamychain I didn't hear any contradictions. As Iberia got more and more out of whack, the controller got more and more specific with his instructions. When it got to the point where the Iberia pilot couldn't read back a simple hold short instruction, that's where the tower should have (and probably did) given the landline number to the pilot. He has an unacceptable mastery of the English language, which is used worldwide for all ATC communications.
thatBMWkid 1 year ago
@offamychain this controller did a fabulous job - I fly all over the world and can tell you that under the circumstances this IS cool. IB6253 is lucky it wasn't some of the controllers I deal with in many other parts of the world, they would have sent the airport reps to the aircraft in many places I go. Imagine the idiot couldn't read back "stop the plane"...
altazboy 1 year ago
They might be great pilots, but their english isn't so great. It's similar to the Air China vs. JFK ground clip (same ATC if I remember correctly).
pntbllr233 1 year ago
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49 seconds ago Well this is the very reason the ICAO is mandating all international pilots speak English. Starting in March 2011 you must pass the ICAO Level 4 test if you want to be licensed to fly internationally, all pilots will need to be on the same page spekaing one language. If you are a pilot you can take an online test with this company "aviation english training .com" to get certified.
mattharrisvids 1 year ago
The controller's name is Arnie, I guess from Arnold. I've read somewhere that they made him retire, yet he was a very effective (and also funny) controller. Check his other recording on youtube, called 'JFK Ground', that is the most funny ATC recording I've ever heard! :D
Susu986 1 year ago
@Susu986 Oh damn thats why I haven't heard him in a while! :(
CathayGuy 1 year ago
Scary. I wouldn´t wanna be on one of their planes!
skazhiprivet 1 year ago
I'll be honest, this is an embarrassment. How these people can possibly be pilots surprises me. Not only is unprofessional, but also very dangerous. Who in their right mind would employ a long-haul pilot who CANNOT speak English.. in fact.. it doesn't matter if they don't speak it perfectly, but they cannot even read back correctly.
I'm 17, I speak 3 languages, Learning one more, come on, it's not hard.
claudp 1 year ago
Si fuera obligatorio hablar español para hacerse piloto profesional, lo haríamos..
emmyat 1 year ago
2:60 sounds like peter griffin lool
XxEardzxX 1 year ago
Nadal was piloting that plane!
pablokma 1 year ago
Thank you JFK I love you.
All european airlines flying into Spain know that most of the spanish pilots from Iberia, airnostrum and Spanair are plain assholes. They behave rude and unprofessional on the radio every day. I just love to hear them squirming in other countries trying to speak english or trying to copy a correct clearance with a correct read back. People with private licenses and no experience have better skills then these clowns.
TheMrUSA 1 year ago
that controller needs to teach an english class to all the foreign pilots who he's having problems with.
maddooggg 1 year ago
1:49 I don't think you can sir, but if you say you can, I don't think you can... :) HAHAHAHA love the sarcasm... gotta love the new yorkers....
Capteagle 1 year ago
@Capteagle hahaha hahahah this spanish pilot doesn't know shit of english!
cybermariano 1 year ago
love them NEW YAWKERS!!!
TracyAndersonFoxhunt 1 year ago
This one is not as funny as the chinese one... and just wait till you hear the Jamaican one....
manny298 1 year ago
Iberia no es una mala empresa de aviacion pero definitivamente los espanoles y el ingles no se llevan bien. Este piloto lo lleva claro si no entiende instrucciones basicas en ingles como HOLD SHORT of 4L on FB; lo peor de todo es que los de Iberia se creen lo mejor de lo mejor y ya lo ven, la cagan igual que el resto del mundo.
santiescovar 1 year ago
Que pena ... estos pilotos no deverian estar volando internacionalmente si no entienden instruciones tan bacica "hold short" es imperativo repetir y entender lo que le estan esperando de ellos. Muchas vidas en manos de incompetentes. La pregunta es que hizo Iberia despues de esto?
alduncine 1 year ago
wow, this poor atc just cant get a break
N700UW 1 year ago
If air controller had spoken with "BBC accented English", no problem would have happened, but this american accent renders coversation difficult to whom is not American. In Europe people learns english with audio recorded from British actors, not american ones!
anisocoro 1 year ago
es realmente vergonzoso, al final parece que le estan dando clases de idiomas.
txeriff2k6 1 year ago
And Iberia it is not a bad airline; IT IS A GOOD AIRLINE. The most important air company flying to Latin America. It's joined British Airways to become the third most important group in the world. A particulary mistake from a particulary pilot doesn't mean anything else but a mistake.
AngelGilmour 1 year ago
Holy sh!t, this was my biggest fear of all when I was younger, cause my english wasn't good but now is like having a casual conversation, I'm currently working on my multi-engine license!!!
julionica 1 year ago
liamkirkham you can't be serious right? Ok what was the controller suppose to
say huh? The never of some people!
richsolomon1 1 year ago
Airwaveeeeeeeeee
gorgias1976 1 year ago
'Hold short' and 'stop the plane', repeated clearly and slowly several times is 'non-standard', difficult terminology? Come on you guys! These are pro INTERNATIONAL pilots, and should be more than well versed in English, ATC terminology, and common sense. Forget accents. 'Hold short' is 'hold short' in Britain, the US, Australia, France, etc. ATC uses English all over the world.
No excuse for the pilot there, however you guys might try to excuse him.
Kamadev888 1 year ago
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AngelGilmour 1 year ago
@Kamadev888 Im British and I didn't even understand some words there from the controller. Spaniards are used to British accent. American accent is very hard for them to understand. U should try to use an internacional or standard accent like BBC World channel... or pure British accent, since we invented the language, lol xD
AngelGilmour 1 year ago
@AngelGilmour may i remind you all this isn't an pure american accent, it's quite bostonian/new york/new jersey/etc thick.
personally i think that that pilot should be listening to the tower, they know more about where everyone is and the pilot just simply can't fly a plane and watch for traffic at the same time....
Juticar 1 year ago
@Juticar I just know two things: I didn't even understand some words there from the american airport and the controller could make an effort trying to minimize his strong bronx accent if he's consciuos that there are ppl from all the world and not only american. So, standard / international accent please. If a british plane flies to Argentina wouldn't understand a thing because they learn Castilian and not a bad copy of it from our colonies :)
AngelGilmour 1 year ago
did he cut in front of you? yeah but he's bigger than us! :-)
marcducati 1 year ago
At Heathrow we have the problem with language barriers atleast once a day but I've never heard a controller get rounded up by it. In america, as soon as something don't go the way the controllers want they seem to try and solve the problem by making the pilots nervous and confused.
Seems like a field trip to an european airport would be a good idea to include in the american ATC course.
EuroPiIot 1 year ago
@EuroPiIot Would be funny regarding language, except thousands of lives are literally on the line. Therefore the ATC controller has to be harsh. Safety first!
X46RAPTOR 1 year ago
@X46RAPTOR Considering the fact that peoples lives are at stake, he has to be professional. That means dealing with a problem calm and methodologic just like pilots are trained to do in an emergency. To become frustrated like this air controller did is not the way to go.
EuroPiIot 1 year ago
@EuroPiIot He wasn't frustrated he was just telling the pilot to stop in a much more intense manner. It his fault he does not speak english and that in itself is a breach of international aviation regulations.
X46RAPTOR 1 year ago
I love New York ACT love them RLOL.... Learn English bitch
omegaice8 1 year ago
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no pienso sea la primera vez que visitan KJFK... creo que el piloto está adapatado a escuchar cualquier acento. El problema es también las horas de vuelo que llevan. Pero no es para decir que los españoles somos unos negados con el inglés...
alquivir 1 year ago
no pienso sea la primera vez que visitan KJFK... creo que el piloto está adapatado a escuchar cualquier acento. El problema es también las horas de vuelo que llevan. Pero no es para decir que los españoles somos unos negados con el inglés...
alquivir 1 year ago
If u ask me, this is mostly down to the American controller not the Spanish pilot. I'm english and I couldn't understand him too well! I've never had a problem with Iberia pilots before. Listen to the amount of non standard phraseology the jfk controller is using! Not surprised the pilot had difficulties.
liamkirkham 1 year ago
@liamkirkham well maybe you're right..but the "hold short rwy 4r" was pretty clear to me and the pilot didn't seem to understand a bit of it.
chrigiammann 1 year ago
@chrigiammann apparently it was 4l :-)
chrigiammann 1 year ago
A este tio del ATC de JFK lo he escuchado en otro video, donde un britanico puso un comentario de que casi no le entendia ni él.
FAlonso22 2 years ago
that's not the first time JFK had issues with Iberia's A340-600s
VFA103JollyRogers 2 years ago
@Aeromar27 that's too bad man
wompasdub 2 years ago
Yeah, I'm not xenophobic or anything like a lot of people however for a job like being an airline pilot it's pretty crucial to be able to speak english fluently. I heard this one and also another with an airchina 747 it just seems really dangerous to me that some of these guys can barely understand english. It's like a disaster waiting to happen.
wompasdub 2 years ago
i like that brooklyn accent
sanyo51 2 years ago
Its not a brooklyn accent
HWVISP89 2 years ago
I wonder if the NY controller drives his car like he tells people to drive their planes
sentient02970 2 years ago
Los pilotos deben de como tomar un cursillo en por lo menos comunicaciones de ATC en ingles, pues esto puede causar accidentes...
nilviod45 2 years ago
No es que no le entienda, listo, es que no le parece normal lo que le está pidiendo :P se está haciendo el sueco, vamos :P
currok 2 years ago
if there is not jobs in spain they should go to china. they what the Australians do.
shafs64 2 years ago
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Iberia should operate at Boston!
out there they would hear a lot of "Astalavista" from Boston John!
gustavocavel 2 years ago
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gustavocavel 2 years ago
xss menudos creidos, ya me gustaria ver un NW en barajas... A al sur !! y ale apañatelas ¬¬
malditonombrecojido 2 years ago
@malditonombrecojido no es que sean creidos, es que, definitivamente, a un español se le reconoce por su forma de hablar ingles y si seguimos empecinados en que todo el mundo debe hablar español, aviados vamos. no way on it pal!!!! y te lo dice un madrileño, piloto y criado en el pais de los, como dices "creidos"
cybersandricks 2 years ago
Pues me parece bien, pero tampoco es que se las den de saviondos, tampoco digo que aprendan español ya que yo no lo e dicho, si lo as visto... mal vamos; Solo digo que vengan a Madrid y les den Alpha al sur y se apañen...
malditonombrecojido 2 years ago
Me gustaría veros hablando español.....
quikozska 2 years ago 14
jajajaja claro pues jajajaja la cosa es en Barajas jajaja xD
cuboperu 2 years ago
@quikozska te sorprenderia ver que bien hablan español muchos mas norteamericanos que españoles hablando ingles. Definitivamente, los españoles son en su mayoria unos negados para los idiomas y, en especial, el ingles.
cybersandricks 2 years ago
@quikozska bueno, el ingles es el idioma de la aviacion y si vuelas 340 y cruzas el Atlantico es tu obligacion ser fluido y entender ingles en la aviacion. Mas aun si vuelas a NY, que esperas?? hablar espaniol? aaaaaaay raza pendeja
americanblues05 1 year ago
@americanblues05 típico latino americano que no puede dar su opinión sin insultar a alguien. Vosotros ni sabéis hablar nuestro idioma después de 500 años "hablándolo" y ahora tú vienes fanfarroneando sobre el inglés e insultando? LOL. Por cierto, usa los acentos y la ñ. En castellano es norma ;) Y aprende inglés británico que en tus videos subidos suenas a rata del bronx
AngelGilmour 1 year ago
@AngelGilmour Entonces tu unica defensa, es atacar una cultura y una idiosincracia general presente en America Latina. La forma en que se habla Espaniol en las Americas es resultado de un desarrollo del lenguaje, durante 500 anios.... y solo porque tu lo dices, yo no se hablar Espaniol.... ya totally make sense mate. Ah y por cierto: keyboard americano, no hay enie ni acentos. Ah no sabias? Twat
americanblues05 1 year ago
@americanblues05 Típico latino americano ofensivo que no entiende que hace mal uso del castellano. Con gran frecuencia no sólo no ponéis acentos sino que confundís la s con la c y la z. (arroS en lugar de arroz). Y por cierto, yo también tengo keyboard en inglés, soy mitad británico mitad español y puedo encontrarlos. No tienes que tener un keyboard en español para poder poner las caracteres en español (usa alt + 164, 160, etc.) si quieres te hago un croquis para tu entiendas. Y no insultes!
AngelGilmour 1 year ago
@AngelGilmour hahaha in yer last two responses uve started with the same statement. And dude, who the fuck made spellin mistakes in spanish. at least not me... plus chill the fuck out, this is youtube, It aint fuckin Yale or some shit....second off, who gives a shit if ur half british half gachupin.... i aint give a crap... n who the fuck are u to tell me not to insult people??? U think yer so fuckin classy n so fuckin snoby?? Yer a fuckeen moron dude
americanblues05 1 year ago
@americanblues05 Warning troll on the web! Yeah, I'm whatever u want mate... however, I've watched ur videos and the only one here who looks like a moron is u. In GBR many ppl would think ur a paki or a moron, but not!! Ur a Mexi-taco!!. I bet u would like to be white in order to fit in the American society. Bye troll. I give u an advise: try to be polite ok? I don't care if this is yt or real life. But... What can we expect from a troll like u? ;)
AngelGilmour 1 year ago
@AngelGilmour Apparently I matter that much to u... thank you, U took the time to spend some time on my account. You are that pathetic. In GBR people can fuck off, I aint got no interest on spending my time trying to figure out what european douschebags think of me. And no baby, I wont take any advise from a fuckin racist as you. That is even worse man, that shows the kinda prick u are. Last wish: may u die painfully and burn in fucking hell. Have a good day
americanblues05 1 year ago
@americanblues05 Nope, I live in a peacefull country where human rights are respected by Government, Police and Justice, not in a country fulled of corruption, mafia and drug cartels. Probably you moved on America looking for the peace you didn't find in your home land. Good night sir!
AngelGilmour 1 year ago
@americanblues05 btw, when speaking English try to remember that rule that says u have to add the "s" in verbs when is in third singular person. "Yeah, it totally makeS sense mate". U don't even know how to speak Spanish and English and u dare to criticize the Spanish pilot? Yeah, that's typical from Latin American people. I don't need more proofs. Ur real trolls. I bet u answer insulting again.
AngelGilmour 1 year ago
@AngelGilmour you probably should try to remember how to fuckin read properly. It said: ya totally make sense. ya=you Oh shiiit..... it wasnt too hard, was it? n whats the deal with u feelin so superior eh? Dude, yer Spanish!!!!!!! like... I would respect ya way more if u were from some Scandinavian country or sumthing... but dude... Spaaain!!!! N ya bet right...... fuck you!!!
americanblues05 1 year ago
@americanblues05 I'm Spanish, from the country who conquested the half of the word and your Shittymexico. Hey you're from Mexico? How dare you? I would respect you if you were Canadian. ;) But nooo! You're a taco pretending to be American. And if you just write English in a proper way, I would understand it. Do you live in Arizona? I bet you're worried about the SB1070. You'd better run like hell, back to Xitlotzingo, lol!
AngelGilmour 1 year ago
@AngelGilmour American!!??? You didnt creep me enough mate. Getting a degree from Queen's University.... any idea of the reputation of such school, and where it is? I dont think so.... so anyways.... the deal is, once u play the racist card, people realize the kind of "person" you are. And you should be worried about terrorist blowing up your fucking cities...British and Spanish pricks died those two days... recall?? have fun haha
americanblues05 1 year ago
@americanblues05 Yeah, we've got a problem with immigration issues in the EU. The same problem America has with Mexico. That's why I support SB1070. Le Pen and BNP must rule in the EU!! lol U have showed the kind of person u are showing all that unrespect for the people who have died in Islamic attacks in London and Madrid and our forces in Mid-west. Thank u for unveiling the mystery! Do u think the same about Sept 11? Wow, ur very thankfull to the society who opens its doors to you!
AngelGilmour 1 year ago
@AngelGilmour Society who opens the door to me? hahaha u stupid fuck I live in Canada.... oh god u know... just stop, all that comes outta yer mouth its just pure shit, so just knock if off bro
americanblues05 1 year ago
@americanblues05 Yeah, Canada, a British colony and u've already insulted to the British who have died in those fanatic attacks. But, what can we expect from a Latin American troll who enjoys the welfare state from another people? ;) Pay the bill for ur medicines! XD
AngelGilmour 1 year ago
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@AngelGilmour I live in Canada, not in the UK... I can say whhatever the fuck I want from ur stupid fucking country. See baby, shit keeps pouring from your mouth.
americanblues05 1 year ago
@americanblues05 U just know swearing and insulting?! Too rude for a European like me and too typical from a Latin American troll like you. That's the difference between North American (European) and Sout America (where u have lost ur european roots in order to become Quetzalcoalt king again, just like Hugo Chavez, the same thing).
AngelGilmour 1 year ago
@AngelGilmour Indeed baby, roll with u, u fuckin eurofag
americanblues05 1 year ago
@americanblues05
¿Habéis acabado ya?
No hace falta que escribas en modo gangsta para intentar lucir tu inglés.
Tener que andar así es triste.
Goiko47 1 year ago
@americanblues05 definitivamente los españoles no se llevan bien con los idiomas????? sabes de donde es la jefa de traductoras de la ONU???? de Zaragoza que jodida esta la ONU verdad??? habra de todo o que?? juzgais muy a la ligera señores.
jacogc 1 year ago
@quikozska Sos un capo jajaja eso mismo digo yo aparte no ayudan, es una compania extranjera con lengua española, si no entendí por favor que repita mas despacio no en gangoso, porque es lo mismo... son unos idiotas
aviadorsolitario 1 year ago
@quikozska That’s not going to happen, because if you want to be an international pilot, you must speak either English OR the native language of the place you intend to fly to, and when in doubt, you speak english. You MUST understand english and be able to understand the basics of the job you’re doing. This is not funny. The Iberia pilot is clearly unqualified to be in that position.
mmarconcini 1 year ago 19
@mmarconcini Iberia is well known to be an Airline full of sons of pilots, just been in the family they get the jobs, some are qualified others like this one, no! But the company is one of the best in maintenance, mechanics are much better than their pilots.
Stingercam21 4 months ago
I am an airline pilot of a British airline. The controller was speaking heavily accented, very fast, non standard phraseology. No wonder the Iberia didn't know what the hell to do. The controller was crap!
shawbury25 4 months ago 7
@quikozska Pues vaya estupidez monumental acabas de decir. El idioma para ser piloto en vuelos internacionales es inglés. O lo aprendes o no vuelas, y por supuesto no juegas con las vidas de todos los pasajeros que tienes a bordo.
captnimmort 1 year ago
@quikozska el espanol no es el idioma oficial de la aviacion. es requerido hablar y entender muy bien el ingles para poderse obtener documentos para servir como tripulante abordo un avion volando vuelos internacionales. si los gringos u otros que no hablan espanol bien tienen problemas comunicando en castellano pues asi es la vida pero no van a poner a otros en peligro por falta de profesionalismo. esa tripulacion de IB6253 no son calificados para trabajar en vuelos internacionales.
altazboy 1 year ago
Amén!
LH287 2 years ago
haha
"did this guy cut in front of you?"
"uhh yea, he's bigger than us though"
terryk1233 2 years ago 3
don't mess with the tower!.....lol.
Answer the question!
Don't bud in line either!
00Billy 2 years ago
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Iberia is a bad airline they dont do what they are told their employees are very agitated in what they do.
MrIstonic 2 years ago
Are you sure you are not talking about British "pay me evereything EU" Airways?
Probably Iberia employees are very agitated with britons abroad...
juanit31 2 years ago
This air traffic controller now works at ISP airport.
deltaa78 2 years ago 3
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Foreign pilots stay home! Keep away from USA!!!
davidsholem 2 years ago
I don't know why this guy isn't listening. While I agree with the old saying of Aviate, Navigate, Radiate, I don't think it applies on the ground.
darkling9109 2 years ago
this happens in chicago all the time
pinkwontons 2 years ago
it means you have a license to fly a single engine airplane then you go through more training to get you mulit-engine endorsement. It just means now you can fly a plane with more than one engine.
lunchbag08 2 years ago
i dont whant to bitch. but pilots who dont SPEAKA THE ENGLISH should not be flying. there are hundres of people on the plane and hundreds more on the other planes. if they dont listen to ATC there will be a accident. and many people would die. so for all the dummies out there. ATC IS ALWAYS RIGHT. pilot just needs to shut up listen and readback
dogsofwarclan 2 years ago 3
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MedicalAviator 2 years ago
thank you god someone that understands
that!
skyking1124 2 years ago
Wow, the comment ATC is always right is a stupid one. That will get you killed flying. ATC is not god. ATC are people like you and me who make mistakes. you cant rely on them. You Listen to them but if they say something you dont like or dont want to do u dont have to do it as PIC you have the final authority of what to do with your plane. I hope your not a pilot cause that was a stupid stupid comment.
lunchbag08 2 years ago
im not. but if you are your the one that should be grounded. if pilots dont listen then accidents happen. your foolish to even think my comment is stupid. there are there to controlll traffic. if a cops tell u to stop do u drive on or ignore him
dogsofwarclan 2 years ago
The PIC can deviate from any ATC directive, all you have to do is notify them as soon as practicable. Do you really think ATC is always right. You need to look up so accident investigatons. Fly, navigate, communicate. You need to keep up on your FAR/AIM as well. Your comment was extremely stupid.
lunchbag08 2 years ago
i dint whant to reply back, but your cometing the same as last. but in a nother context. read my last
if a cop tells u to stop do u roll down your window and tell him to fuck of and let u drive where u whant. i have some pilots that disagree with your comments. and if they would catch u doing shit like this with a plane they report u, no atc report needed.u will looose your licence
dogsofwarclan 2 years ago
you obviously dont understand what im saying. This pilot in the video was just stupid. And he did the wrong thing. i was only commenting on you saying ATC is always right, which is dead wrong. You cant compare ATC to a police officer. Not the same thing at all. Im sorry but you dont know what you are talking about. I know your not a pilot.
lunchbag08 2 years ago
ATC are not ALWAYS right!!!some accidents happened because of them...now, the problem on here is "the accent", this "gringo" knowing that the pilot doesnt have a native English,is getting upset because of that...
LenaPerabo 2 years ago
It's clear Iberia didn't follow directions...he took two turns he was not supposed to take. THATS the problem!
porthousevike07 2 years ago
ATC is nowhere near always right. MOREOVER, ATC is NEVER SUPPOSED TO GET AN ATTITUDE. No matter how retarded the pilot, ATC IS THERE TO HELP THE PILOT. This controller is EXTREMELY unprofessional.
In this case, ATC should have dealt with the pilot with patience and file a full formal complaint. The pilot was in the wrong, but JFK is HUGE. What if it was the crew's first time there? Attitudes like that will help no one.
CamaRO9923 2 years ago 2
check FAA rules
since 1999 pilots can only deviate from atc orders if outside view or tcas says else.
indeed the pilot is an idiot. and yes jfk is big.
put it doesnt change rules
and there are many cases like this where pilots ignore rules that are there to make everything safer
dogsofwarclan 2 years ago
Once again you show how stupid you are. The PIC has the final authority at what to do with an airplane. They just have to notify ATC as soon as they can. LOOK it up in the FAR/AIM buddy. this pilot was just stupid i realize that and im not saying it was right now to follow directions. But to say ATC is always right is just a stupid comment. If your not comfortable with something ATC tells you to do, you dont have to do it, its your plane and your life. as PIC you have the Final say.
lunchbag08 2 years ago
dude, seriously... I hope you do not even have a recreational pilot license. PIC is the final authority but going against ATC clearances, is a good way to see your license go bye-bye. Dogsofwar is right. Pilots can only deviate in case of emergency or to avoid violating an FAR, after which they must promptly inform ATC.
MY only point was that: ATC could have and should have been way more professional and Iberia needs to do a better job with their pilots.
CamaRO9923 2 years ago
Ok its funny because you dont understand. If your flying along and ATC tells you to make a left turn to the west, well you look at your charts and know there is a mountain there. What the controller ment to say was make a right turn. As in ATC makes mistakes too meaning never just assume they are correct they are not god of the sky, they are people who makes mistakes. Dont be afraid of questioning ATC if you think they might be wrong. AS for this due in the vid, he is stupid
lunchbag08 2 years ago
That's what I said. You can deviate in case of emergency or if what they say will make you violate a rule. However, if it's not a life or death thing, you should ask for an amended clearance before deciding to go against what they just told you
CamaRO9923 2 years ago
Ok we both can agree on that. I commenting of the Fact that ATC is not always right.
lunchbag08 2 years ago
correct, although is pretty wise to follow their commands, specially when on ground....
daspidrr 2 years ago
i totally agree with you.
lunchbag08 2 years ago
Iberian stickin it to the man...My favorite is around 2:48....nahh.- NO!
mallo3b7 2 years ago 2
the problem is not the pilot´s english ,he said he don´t understand because he didn´t want to hold posittion.
Is like :Ohh I´m not gonna stop the plane so I´ll say I don´t understand and I´ll do what I want
pilot696 2 years ago
ROFL!!! Never a dull moment at JFK
323Andre22 2 years ago
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Maybe if ATC would not have a cock in his mouth, could be more understandable... US pronunciation is really bad...
Ryanero 2 years ago
does anyone think the controller sounds like peter griffin?
socceric93 2 years ago 2
Im hispanic, and I speak fluent English, and im still gonna cuz that dumbass pilot out! Why dont these airlines train their pilots on better English communication?? I dont get it! Its the international language!
srodriguez54 2 years ago
Iberia crew is very special
ctvelcalzon77 2 years ago 4