People need to get out of this "drugs" mindset. Drugs aren't stupid, you just need to be responsible. Eat too much food and your life will be ruined. Do too much drugs and the same will happen. Exercise too much and you will cripple yourself. Drive too fast and you will kill yourself. Going to the deathbed without ever experiencing drugs is like going to the deathbed without ever experiencing sex.
@philateliceun Perhaps, but with drugs it doesn't take anywhere near as much to go overboard than it does with other things. Still, your point is valid.
Alcohol is far more dangerous than Marijuana. It is far more toxic, has more of an addiction potential and it can make you violent. Marijuana on the other hand makes you relaxed and you can't overdose on it. If either of those should be illicit, it's Alcohol.
how would the dea know that legalizing a drug leads to negative results? i'd like to know the instances that a) a drug has been legalized, and b) well....i'll think of something after an example of a can be found.
@shanedk Did you know that In 1937 when Marijuana Transfer Tax Act was passed it was advocated by business tycoons trying to protect their monopoly and with the invention of the decorticator, hemp became a very cheap substitute for the paper pulp that was used in the newspaper industry this clearly indicates that government is always limiting competition.But also the law was mandated to exclude African Americans to inherited wealth. Watch John Stossel - Medical Marijuana
According to Huffingtonpost, Obama wants to lift the ban on syringe exchange funding. That is a step towards progress(if Obama is actually going to do this).
It gives more money for productivity. It will also make the federal government less of an obstacle. Obama also said that he will stop any arrest for medical marijuana use where the state permits.
I've done alot of thinking on this subject. I HATE drugs and I would never sell them myself. But the evidence shows that there is no reason to illigalize drugs. It's not going to solve anything!
Can you perhaps link me some of the sources to Cannabis studies? I'm interested in seeing the data on effects myself.
... I'm going to sleep now, but if drugs are bad why not illegalize Alcohol, Cigarette's.. Milk for that matter, because they say it gives you cancer. oh and yeah batteries ofcourse because you can make Meth out of those..
I live in Netherlands and I smoke some pot from time to time.. but I'm not dying, and not planning to for a long long time..
soft drugs should be legal, but the hard drugs like Heroine and Meth should definitly be banned.. they can wreck people hard.
It's not about the dangers of the drugs. It is about the fact that the drug was is ineffective. In order to demonstrate otherwise, you must present evidence that sending people to prison will decrease the use of drugs.
I have hard time even talking about drug policy when it just makes me so mad. We are wasting tax money and nobody seems to care (I don't live in US but US legislation reflects straight to European countries). And nobody seems to care that we don't have liberty over our own bodies, everybody is just living in this "I'M TOO STUPID TO CONTROL MYSELF SO DRUGS HAS TO BE ILLEGAL" bubble.
Sadly, it is not always possible to just stop taking the drugs if you're addicted to the more heavy stuff. Not that this makes the war on drugs any less retarded: quite the opposite, as people are far less likely to take up needed therapy if they think they might get arrested! Even given the premises of the "War on Drugs", it's a really stupid idea.
Actually, the data show it IS always possible, it's just hard to do. Once people get to the point where their lives are being sufficiently ruined--lose their jobs, lose their kids, lose their house, whatever--that's the point where they stop taking the drugs and get their life back in order.
@shanedk Well, it isn't JUST unpopular crusades that get 'war pout in front of them. We've also got 'The War on Cancer' and 'The War on AIDS', and those are (or at least should be) pretty popular, whether the government has any legitimate reason to be involved in the way it is or not. Of course, both of those also have lots of private money and charitable money behind them, too, since there's profit in treatments and it's a good thing to do.
@Sonicmountain09 George Carlin had a good bit about that. He likely had more than on shtick on the subject of how violent American political rhetoric often is, but I can only recall one at the moment.
I figured out that legalizing drugs would put all the violent drug dealers out of business without violence back in high school by just using logic. However logic doesn't belong in religion or politics so our government will never figure that one out.
That DEA guy is a liar when he says that legalizing a drug will cause more people to use it. You can just compare the marihuana use percentagewise in The Netherlands and the USA. In The Netherlands marihuana is pretty much legal, but somehow LESS people use it here than in the US. (searched google "marihuana use netherlands united states").
We obviously also allow medicinal marihuana to be used, but this is grown seperately under strict guidelines from the regular pot you buy from coffeeshops.
"People who are high on marijuana tend to be paranoid..." bahahahah so true lolol.
Eeverything I do i do a bit more carefully than I normally would cuz of weed. Could you imagine if a sucide bomber got high before blowing himself up. puff puff puff 'Hey I just reralized"-puff puff coug-'If I do this it will really hurt'-puff pufff cough cough-'Man I want to get something to eat screw this noise' lolol and thats how it would go. LoL but serously marijuana is totally safer than alchohol
And just think; if we legalized all the drugs, teenagers would have soooo much less incentive to join gangs, and the gangs themselves would probably become powerless, especially the ones at our border with Mexico. And I think if we got rid of the curiosity aspect of kids doing drugs by legalizing them and making knowledge of them more public, people would actually be LESS inclined to do the drugs. Plus, you could tax the shit out of it for some huge revenue and nobody would complain :)
@338dmac If there's a market for a good or service, it WILL get filled. If it's something lucrative, and you prohibit it, then you've just incentivised violent crime, because lots of money promotes heated disputes, and when you remove any legal options for dispute resolution, you've only left illegal ones.
egarrett, i agree that there is incentive for a drug dealer to keep his product safe. its not because if they kill their customers they cant make money tho. drugs sell themselves, and in the bad areas where the so called war on drugs is being fought, there is no shortage of fiends. they could kill one customer a day and still slang for 10 years with steady clientele. the incentive is there however, because homicide police are a lot more thorough and a homicide charge carries a lot more weight
But such a case isn't usually considered homicide; it's considered an overdose, even if it's an added agreement that did the job. They never went after whoever gave the speedballs to Chris Farley and River Phoenix.
srry i shouldnt have said homicide i misread exactly what you guys were discussing, however my point still remains, yea if chris farley or any isolated case of O.D. happens its doubtful it will be pursued as homicide. but if you have someone supplying a large region with a drug, and a sudden increase in potency or an incorrect amount of a cutting agent, this could cause large numbers of addicts dying. at the least this would mean police taking a harder look at whos selling what. bad 4 business
i totally agree, and there is a large amount of apathy the dealers show for the communities the drugs are destroying. i just think saying they don't care whatsoever if the customers are dying is an oversimplification. great vids btw im disappointed i hadnt found your channel sooner
It doesn't matter if there are always new potential addicts. I'm saying that there's an incentive not to kill the addicts you already have because they are the easiest customers. You don't even need to go out and sell to them, as you do to new druggies. The addicts will come to you, and the longer you can keep them around the better...
Except the people who go out and sell are not the people who make the decisions about how the drugs are made. They're working for some drug lord or kingpin who manages all of that.
well yes, but to say there is no incentive at all to keep your drug safe is a bit of an oversimplification. i agree they have far FAR less incentive then if it were regulated. but it is still smarter to do business with as little police attention as possible, even if not all the people working in an organization realize it.
I'm not sure how that would change anything. If you're a drug kingpin you still will have a much easier and more profitable business if you keep your hopelessly addicted customers...so the incentive would push for your product to be as addictive, yet otherwise safe, as you can make it.
If you go back to Prohibition (Alcohol), the Mob controlled the booz the same way narcotics are controlled by crooks today. when the prohibition was lifted, so did the Mob control. the reason is because supplies will grow rapidly, especially from legal companies. thus, prices will drop, and the drugs become "safer", which ruins the profitability of the drugs to the mob-so they will drop it.
@Albukhshi It isn't just that supplies rapidly grow and prices drop with the end of prohibition, it's that customers generally prefer to purchase from the legal sources because they product is generally of higher, or at least more consistent, quality. Some people LIKE rotgut whiskey, but nobody wants it full of methanol.
Shane you need to do a bogosity episode on keynesian economics, its destroying the country far more than the war on drugs and whats worse is it might be more accepted.
This episode feels a wee bit more speculative than your other more solid ones. Still makes a good point, but its too much authority and not enough evidence, to me.
I agree with intelligentfalling. This vid is fairly shaky in a lot of ways. For one example, you claim that there's no incentive for illegal drug makers to have their product not kill their customers. This is so wrong it doesn't even need to be explained.
I also thought of another good reason to legalize. If they were legal, could they be made better? Could we make a heroin that has all the pleasing effects but without all the bad side effects? It's possible but as long as they're illegal, it's certainly never going to happen.
Yes heroin is used in hospitals, called diacetylmorphine or diamorphine as a quicker acting version of morphine. Similar opiates like pethidine and methadone are sometimes used to treat addicts (or as alternative pain relief) but they don't have all the pleasing effects and still have some of the bad effects.
Most of the 'bad side effects' of street heroin are a result of its legal and social status
it might also make drugs less addictive. if drugs were available in shops, like alcohol is, the companies wouldn't be as dependent on making them addictive as street dealers are, and consumers might have more incentive to buy less addictive stuff. marijuana is said to be 5 to 10 times stronger than it was in the 60's.
@lordthawkeye The only really unpleasant effect of heroin itself that I know of is constipation (a common problem with all opiates). Every other serious health issue I know of that heroin addicts run into is caused by either self-neglect (since the illegal purchase of heroin requires lots of money so other things like food and shelter don't get bought) or the cutting agents (which can be anything from sugar to cement powder to rat poison).
@evensgrey i once found a pdf file on the net which was released by the government, which had statistics saying crack cocaine is 5 times more likely to kill someone than pure cocaine. the only explanation I can come up with is that the cutting agent is a lot more likley to kill you than the cocaine itself. it also had other figures like half of all armed robberies were committed by either heroin or cocaine addicts.
@Fernoe I would suspect that, because crack is smoked (which is the fastest way to absorb almost any drug), any issues with the composition are likely to be much more intense. Crack is also more processed than the other typical forms of cocaine on the street (since it commonly is made from the powdered cocaine that is more traditionally sold), so there's more opportunity for something to go wrong with the processing.
"Remember what happened when gambling was supposed to bring jobs and wealth (casinos, state lotteries, etc.)? It didn't do either, but it certainly created far more gambling addicts." - someone debating this issue with me.
Is this true about gambling? I wish this person would have given me more context.
I don't see how treating gambling as a criminal issue would help anymore than it has with drugs.
"If you're smart enough to watch this show, you're smart enough to know that doing drugs is stupid!"
The Beatles before drugs: "She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!"
Completely homogenized, no imagination, manufactured with as little imagination as the backstreet boys
The Beatles after drugs: "Thoughts are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup, they slither while they pass, they slip away across the universe..."
Ahh! Come on! Prohibition wasn't all bad ask the Kennedy family! It made them a fortune as bootleggers! Nothing like making something illegal to help reduce your competition and upping the value of your product. i.e. Just as the case with the CIA and illegal drugs!
@amateurevolutionist Not only do you have a much better chance of surviving any bad reaction to drugs if the drugs are legal, you have a much lower chance of having any bad reaction in the first place. Legal drugs will be made by the pharmaceutical companies, who know how to keep out contaminants (which will reduce the risk of things like unexpected allergic reactions) and produce reliable concentrations (which reduces the risk of overdoses).
exactly, i can't believe that DEA guy said marijuana is banned because it could have people driving dangerously... using that logic why isn't alcohol banned? ughhh when will we live in a free world............
Didn't expect this to show up in the series, but you're making a lot of the same points I have at one point or another. Legalize the drugs, and suddenly, they can be made subject to consumer protection laws that the criminal element would otherwise be immune to.
Im usually with you on most things, but I have heard that the use of marijuana and other drugs can have detrimental side effects with respect to mental health, wont legalising drugs give the impression to the everyday citizen that it is okay to use them? and as a result, could cause alot more strain on the health system, and everyday families trying to cope with drug addicted family members?
people did land on the moon ... if thats what your getting at, this is a completely different discussion by the way, not realy one where you can be either right or wrong, just difference of oppinion.
I disagree. its a fact that they landed on the moon, you can still have opinion if you want, but it just means your wrong. And yes drug addiction can be bad for your health.
I do agree with Shane about being stoned and driving that you a more cautious but your depth perception is minimized and makes you a very dangerous driver
Great video. My take on the War on Drugs: the government wants to control the population size and this is why alcohol and tobacco are legal, while marijuana and mushrooms are not. As Bill Hicks once said, alcohol and tobacco do nothing for you creatively because a thinking populace is a restless populace. Dying from abuse of alcohol and tobacco is far more dangerous than abusing marijuana but it keeps the government and the faux health service in business.
which is completely stupid. Your idea of law enforcement seems to be if we can stop it, legalize it. Drugs? can ever completely stop drg trafficking, so screw it legalize it. Hell while were at it lets legalize prostitution. Hell, sense we cant stop speeding, lets do away with speed limits all together! what? we cant stop illegal arms trafficking? ok, machine guns and RPGs for everyone!
By the way, just so you know, the ban on assault weapons had little to no noticeable effect. Assault weapons were already used in a very low percentage of crimes, and there was only a minor decrease after the ban which actually correlates to a general downward-trend in violent crimes starting in 1993. The fact that the ban expired and we haven't seen a sudden upsurge in violence should indicate just how effective THAT was.
On top of that, simply owning those things doesn't constitute harm in and of itself. There are plenty of people who buy those weapons just for the sake of having them, such as collectors. Ownership of a weapon doesn't constitute a propensity towards using it. Someone who wants to commit a crime with that weapon will figure out a way to get it, and the money will go to foreign arms dealers as well as other unlikeable characters.
The stupidest part is, you could take a perfectly legal deer hunting rifle, replace the wooden stock with a black plastic double-grip, NOT change the barrel, firing mechanism, or ammunition in ANY way, and THEN, all of a sudden, it becomes an illegal assault weapon.
And gun control people wonder why I think they're stupid.
It's because it'd look too much like the riot shotgun in Resident Evil 4. Kids might see it and think "Huh? Life's a VIDJIMAGAME!" and go out hunting "zombies". Or maybe they're just stupid.
I was just saying that based on the stats I studied in my Criminology courses. I'm a Criminal Justice major. And no, I'm not going into this profession so that I can potentially buy those neat controlled guns.
...That's just a perk. =P Anybody know where I can get an AA-12?
One that has actually increased drug use since 1970 and wastes many, many tax dollars that could be put to use in better ways. It'd be cheaper to rehabilitate instead of paying DEA agents, planes, fuel costs for the planes, jails, prison guards, etc. Do I need to go on?
Not to mention all the rapists, murderers, and child molesters who are released early due to prison overcrowding from 60+% of the prison population being nonviolent drug offenders.
I think another key part of this issue is "are you allowed to keep stupid people from doing stupid things?" And how much risk do the stupid create for the nonstupid?
It's really hard to say what will happen if prohibition is revealed until we see the results come in, and of course it's mostly a matter of opinion on whether society has improved as a whole or not.
A great episode, but I'm surprised you didn't pick up on the logical hole in the whole driving impairment argument. Alcohol is legal, but people are prosecuted for driving drunk. In exactly the same way, any country with other legal drugs which impair driving ability should have laws against driving under their influence. This applies regardless of whether the effect is greater or less than the effect of alcohol.
Here is another thought. Should we one day legalize all drugs, what about minors (those under 18)? When I was in high school there was a lot of kids who obviously had no problem getting alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana, etc. Should laws prohibiting the sale of these kinds of drugs to minors be repealed also? I mean, they are going to get them anyway, so would it be a good idea to just let them have them or is that just irresponsible?
Did you even watch the video? Besides, I was talking about a hypothetical situation.
Why do you not look into history? History has shown that anarchy results in LESS freedom. It is a temporary sitution that is usually replace with an oligarchy. Look at the Russian Revolution. The RIGHT amount of government makes everyone more free.
Early in American history certain colonies were actually planned anarchies and didn't actually want to integrate into a government. Look at your personal life? Do you need government to run it? Cant you take care of your life without force?
That is a bold face lie or you have no idea what your talking about. Please prove to me that government gives you ANY freedom.
Go search youtube for Anarchy, or Stefbot's channel before you try and discuss this topic please.
Our current government is too big. I am not talking about our current government. I am talking about the right size of government (MUCH smaller than ours). Without someone protecting your rights, there is nothing you can do to stop me from taking away yours. I can walk into your house, steal your valuables, and chop off your head and I will not be punished for it. If you have not watched them yet, I suggest looking at Shane's Constitution lectures.
"Go search youtube for Anarchy, or Stefbot's channel before you try and discuss this topic please."
I will go watch the videos you recommended and I really hope you will do me the same favor. If you want your questions answered all you have to do is look up Stefbot's channel. I dont agree with Stefbot entirely, but he has a great theoretic model of Anarchy IMO.
I did not say this the first time I watched this episode a few months ago, but I am saying it now. Watching this made me do a complete 180 on what I thought of drug legalization. Before, I thought all of this criminalization was a good idea. I no longer think that way. I thought people who favored drug legalization were just stupid stoners that just wanted to get a hold of marijuana more easily. And, no, I have never and will never do drugs (except for medical reasons).
Finally someone who agrees with me on this. I get looked at funny whenever I say my view on the legalization of drugs, as if you have to be a druggy to support it. I am happy to say that I have never used recreational drugs of any kind (including smoking), but I still fight to legalize them. I think people who shoot up heroin are morons, but I will always defend their right to do so.
I'm pretty against drugs myself BUT come on.....people should be able to use what they will.
I will admit I don't people using drugs whilst operating certain machinery. However if it isn't endangering people then let the idiots get themselves killed.
Okie watched it after commenting like an idiot and I will admit you've points. They probably would be able to make dangerous drugs safer if allowed to study them and regulate them.
The DEA agent says that marijuana should be illegal because it can cause car accidents and is just as dangerousas alcohol. Even if this were true, doesn't that mean that alcohol should be illegal, too? Double standard.
Bloody sodding hell people that driving argument was stupid! Im not against decrim and legalizing and whatnot, these last 25 years have not really yielded fantastic and great results so im pro-something-different. But Jesus H Christ and FFS, NO D.U.I. of any stuff, ever. It's not about your own driving skills, its about skills in dodging people who drive like crap! Be responsible and able to save yourself and others a lot of unnecerssary grief!
Reefers causing more accidents than Alcohol? BS!Maybe they don't decriminalize pot in fear less alcohol sales... Been to Amsterdam's Red Light,felt safer then around Times Square,NY. BTW I'm not a user(smoked<10 times in 45yrs). Spending resources on people growing weed for their own use is PLAIN STUPID. Acapulco Gold should be available to adults in stores. If you don't legalize at least DEcriminalize! Done in Spain: no "negative" statistics ( nor "positive" ones except for the money saved!).
That's right! They want to keep it illegal to make more money off it and be free from regulation, just LIKE EVERY LEGAL CORPORATION! Not to mention the fact that they get off scott-free from TAXES!
The onslaught of facts in this video was almost painful. Almost, because I'm not paranoid to think that armies of zombie-junkies will crawl out of thw sewers if drugs are legalised. Maybe I should start smoking marijuana. I here that's good for paranoia.
Bogosity at it's finest. who knows whats in the XTC it could be anything under the kitchen sink you mite be safer to do lines of A-Jax like cheech and chong chick.
Care to explain why? Can you refute the logic and data presented in this video?
The War on Drugs hasn't solved anything, and it's just added a host of other problems. As a result, we have the highest murder rate, violent crime rate, and incarceration rate of any other western industrial nation. It's insanity. It HAS to end.
I didn't watch your video, I watched Penn And Teller's video about war on drugs, and that was enough. In my country we are giving free drugs to misusers to try and dampen the criminality. DRUGS are bad, period.
Now I watched it. You can't be serious, you endorse the legalization of drugs? ARE YOU JOKING? Driving under the influence of mirihuana DOES NOT IMPROVE SAFETY, you tend to forget things when under the influence, and you can hallucinate.
You cannot simply say that drugs are okay and we shouldn't put resources into preventing and fighting drugs. Do you do drugs yourself? Legalization is really not the answer, why don't you endorse the legalization of euthinasia too while your at it.
Then you'll know I did NOT say that drugs are okay, I answered your question as to whether or not I do drugs, etc. If you did watch it, then you're a liar.
Don't call me a liar you cunt, I watched it. And the overall tone was that drugs should be legalized which is dangerous. Miriuhana makes you paranoid which makes you drive safer is really really bogus, since it makes you alot less AWARE and forgetfull.
The comment if you did drugs yourself was a characteristic attack. You don't actually say that you don't do drugs in the movie, you just say that drugs are stupid but should be legalized. Maybe you should watch your own movie yourself?
And also, if you've watched it, you'll have encountered the argument, "I don't want to legalize it because it's safe; I want to legalize it because it's dangerous."
Either you didn't watch it, in which case you're a liar, or you did and you're misrepresenting me, in which case you're a liar.
As ANYONE who actually WATCHES the episode can see.
Really bad arguments you have there. And please give me the exact time when you say you do not do drugs, and if you can't find it, then you sir are the liar.
I will never apolagize, legalizing drugs would be the worst move for any country. Now letting addicts get drugs free, thats an idea that would decrease crime rates, but legalizing it is OUT OF THE QUESTION!
You should really watch this guys other videos before you assume the outcome. The addiction rate has not increased nor dropped before and or after the War on Drugs, nor in the last 100 years. Infact the crime rate and death rates relating to the War on Drugs and the amount of people jailed (even innocent) has increased greatly because of it. So whats working? I would rather have access to drugs in wall marts pharmacy section than the street corner from violent gangs. Youre an uncaring fool.
The problem is you determine what to do by the intent rather than the result. Which is why folks like you assume War on Drugs is good. That socialized medacine is good or that government should control this or that. You need to start understanding the role of goverment and look at reality of whats happening around us. I bet you live in a drug free neighborhood with no experience of drug related problems. My cousin took to the streets, stealing our stuff for his drugs after we tried to help him.
If drugs were legaly available we could have saved him from his own addiction by controlling his level of use. He wanted to quit but the addiction broke his will. If there was a controlled market for drug use or by the hospitols we could have saved him. He wouldnt have had the need to take to the streets, stealing to make the cash needed to afford expensive drugs from criminals. Do you know how many times he has been hospitolized for over use? Think about that.
Hmmm, you are on to something. Hey maybe we should have an office where you can silicitate hitmen, that way those who want people killed don't kneed to talk to scary gangsters.
I totally agree with you on this. IMO (might be fact) Marijuana is less of a drug chemically and much less harmful than cigarettes...gotta check out you other "opinions".
I live in canada, canadien law still prohibits drugs to a sertan degree but we dont get thrown in jail for it (they just confisgate from us). What is also cool is that our government allows the use of medical marijuana for people with severe pain. But the coolest thing is that we are aloud to legaly posess as much as 5 grams of marijuana
Two thumbs for taking on the validity of the "War on Drugs"
WalangDiyos 1 month ago
Legalise drugs.... and you can tax them!
mandolinic 7 months ago
I'm willing to bet that most of the people who hit thumbs down on this video probably didn't even watch more than 1/3rd of it.
headybrew 8 months ago 3
@headybrew 100 of them were a creationist vote-bot.
shanedk 8 months ago
@shanedk let me notify rationally government doesn't always limit competition sorry for containing the word always
n64wilbert 6 months ago
People need to get out of this "drugs" mindset. Drugs aren't stupid, you just need to be responsible. Eat too much food and your life will be ruined. Do too much drugs and the same will happen. Exercise too much and you will cripple yourself. Drive too fast and you will kill yourself. Going to the deathbed without ever experiencing drugs is like going to the deathbed without ever experiencing sex.
philateliceun 1 year ago 4
@philateliceun Perhaps, but with drugs it doesn't take anywhere near as much to go overboard than it does with other things. Still, your point is valid.
shanedk 1 year ago 4
Reduces the change for Alzheimer's, eh? When, How much, How often would I have to use it?
Keitaro2011 1 year ago
Alcohol is far more dangerous than Marijuana. It is far more toxic, has more of an addiction potential and it can make you violent. Marijuana on the other hand makes you relaxed and you can't overdose on it. If either of those should be illicit, it's Alcohol.
HimmiJoe 1 year ago
how would the dea know that legalizing a drug leads to negative results? i'd like to know the instances that a) a drug has been legalized, and b) well....i'll think of something after an example of a can be found.
burnhippiesforfuel 1 year ago 2
@burnhippiesforfuel Well, for a), there's when alcohol prohibition was ended...oh, but wait, that REFUTES his claim, not supports it!
shanedk 1 year ago 5
@shanedk Did you know that In 1937 when Marijuana Transfer Tax Act was passed it was advocated by business tycoons trying to protect their monopoly and with the invention of the decorticator, hemp became a very cheap substitute for the paper pulp that was used in the newspaper industry this clearly indicates that government is always limiting competition.But also the law was mandated to exclude African Americans to inherited wealth. Watch John Stossel - Medical Marijuana
n64wilbert 6 months ago
According to Huffingtonpost, Obama wants to lift the ban on syringe exchange funding. That is a step towards progress(if Obama is actually going to do this).
DahStranger 1 year ago
And that will do, what, exactly?
shanedk 1 year ago
It gives more money for productivity. It will also make the federal government less of an obstacle. Obama also said that he will stop any arrest for medical marijuana use where the state permits.
DahStranger 1 year ago
He's said that several times. Yet, the arrests continue.
shanedk 1 year ago
I've done alot of thinking on this subject. I HATE drugs and I would never sell them myself. But the evidence shows that there is no reason to illigalize drugs. It's not going to solve anything!
Can you perhaps link me some of the sources to Cannabis studies? I'm interested in seeing the data on effects myself.
Nightmare060 2 years ago
... I'm going to sleep now, but if drugs are bad why not illegalize Alcohol, Cigarette's.. Milk for that matter, because they say it gives you cancer. oh and yeah batteries ofcourse because you can make Meth out of those..
I live in Netherlands and I smoke some pot from time to time.. but I'm not dying, and not planning to for a long long time..
soft drugs should be legal, but the hard drugs like Heroine and Meth should definitly be banned.. they can wreck people hard.
OlyJeebus 2 years ago
It's not about the dangers of the drugs. It is about the fact that the drug was is ineffective. In order to demonstrate otherwise, you must present evidence that sending people to prison will decrease the use of drugs.
DahStranger 1 year ago
I have hard time even talking about drug policy when it just makes me so mad. We are wasting tax money and nobody seems to care (I don't live in US but US legislation reflects straight to European countries). And nobody seems to care that we don't have liberty over our own bodies, everybody is just living in this "I'M TOO STUPID TO CONTROL MYSELF SO DRUGS HAS TO BE ILLEGAL" bubble.
Basaltq 2 years ago
RE: 0:50
Sadly, it is not always possible to just stop taking the drugs if you're addicted to the more heavy stuff. Not that this makes the war on drugs any less retarded: quite the opposite, as people are far less likely to take up needed therapy if they think they might get arrested! Even given the premises of the "War on Drugs", it's a really stupid idea.
LordZentei 2 years ago
Actually, the data show it IS always possible, it's just hard to do. Once people get to the point where their lives are being sufficiently ruined--lose their jobs, lose their kids, lose their house, whatever--that's the point where they stop taking the drugs and get their life back in order.
shanedk 2 years ago
Drugs are bad, MKay?
...What? Oh, come, on!
You know someone was going to say it eventually. XD
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
So even if MJ did cause as many accidents as Drunk Driving...then why did they not bring back prohibition?
GumbaMasta 2 years ago
Why is everything about WAR in the US ? You people must be exhausted from being belligerent all the time.
Sonicmountain09 2 years ago
Anytime our government wants to engage in an unpopular crusade, they put "war" in front of it. Then everyone gets behind it.
It's really sad.
shanedk 2 years ago
@shanedk Well, it isn't JUST unpopular crusades that get 'war pout in front of them. We've also got 'The War on Cancer' and 'The War on AIDS', and those are (or at least should be) pretty popular, whether the government has any legitimate reason to be involved in the way it is or not. Of course, both of those also have lots of private money and charitable money behind them, too, since there's profit in treatments and it's a good thing to do.
evensgrey 1 year ago
@Sonicmountain09 George Carlin had a good bit about that. He likely had more than on shtick on the subject of how violent American political rhetoric often is, but I can only recall one at the moment.
evensgrey 1 year ago
I figured out that legalizing drugs would put all the violent drug dealers out of business without violence back in high school by just using logic. However logic doesn't belong in religion or politics so our government will never figure that one out.
cfltheman 2 years ago
That DEA guy is a liar when he says that legalizing a drug will cause more people to use it. You can just compare the marihuana use percentagewise in The Netherlands and the USA. In The Netherlands marihuana is pretty much legal, but somehow LESS people use it here than in the US. (searched google "marihuana use netherlands united states").
We obviously also allow medicinal marihuana to be used, but this is grown seperately under strict guidelines from the regular pot you buy from coffeeshops.
wrongwayup 2 years ago
"A study said this ...a study said that"
I'm with you on this, but could please cite your sources?
gonyea12 2 years ago
My sources are in the credits.
shanedk 2 years ago
"People who are high on marijuana tend to be paranoid..." bahahahah so true lolol.
Eeverything I do i do a bit more carefully than I normally would cuz of weed. Could you imagine if a sucide bomber got high before blowing himself up. puff puff puff 'Hey I just reralized"-puff puff coug-'If I do this it will really hurt'-puff pufff cough cough-'Man I want to get something to eat screw this noise' lolol and thats how it would go. LoL but serously marijuana is totally safer than alchohol
Iwantedtoknow16802 2 years ago
And just think; if we legalized all the drugs, teenagers would have soooo much less incentive to join gangs, and the gangs themselves would probably become powerless, especially the ones at our border with Mexico. And I think if we got rid of the curiosity aspect of kids doing drugs by legalizing them and making knowledge of them more public, people would actually be LESS inclined to do the drugs. Plus, you could tax the shit out of it for some huge revenue and nobody would complain :)
338dmac 2 years ago
@338dmac If there's a market for a good or service, it WILL get filled. If it's something lucrative, and you prohibit it, then you've just incentivised violent crime, because lots of money promotes heated disputes, and when you remove any legal options for dispute resolution, you've only left illegal ones.
evensgrey 1 year ago
A good video that adds to this episode of Bogosity: /watch?v=kJ-Kn29gz9o ("Drugz" by ZOMGitsCriss)
She included sources. :)
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
actually, this video is the one Shanedk replied to.
Albukhshi 2 years ago
It wasn't at first.
I can assure you.
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
yeah, I see now.
my bad.
Albukhshi 2 years ago
I only added it after Criss posted her video.
shanedk 2 years ago
oh, I see.
Albukhshi 2 years ago
egarrett, i agree that there is incentive for a drug dealer to keep his product safe. its not because if they kill their customers they cant make money tho. drugs sell themselves, and in the bad areas where the so called war on drugs is being fought, there is no shortage of fiends. they could kill one customer a day and still slang for 10 years with steady clientele. the incentive is there however, because homicide police are a lot more thorough and a homicide charge carries a lot more weight
frankiep1222 2 years ago
But such a case isn't usually considered homicide; it's considered an overdose, even if it's an added agreement that did the job. They never went after whoever gave the speedballs to Chris Farley and River Phoenix.
shanedk 2 years ago
srry i shouldnt have said homicide i misread exactly what you guys were discussing, however my point still remains, yea if chris farley or any isolated case of O.D. happens its doubtful it will be pursued as homicide. but if you have someone supplying a large region with a drug, and a sudden increase in potency or an incorrect amount of a cutting agent, this could cause large numbers of addicts dying. at the least this would mean police taking a harder look at whos selling what. bad 4 business
frankiep1222 2 years ago
And yet, it still happens that people who think they're taking MDMA (ecstasy) are really taking PMA, and many are dying. Happens quite a bit.
shanedk 2 years ago
i totally agree, and there is a large amount of apathy the dealers show for the communities the drugs are destroying. i just think saying they don't care whatsoever if the customers are dying is an oversimplification. great vids btw im disappointed i hadnt found your channel sooner
frankiep1222 2 years ago
It doesn't matter if there are always new potential addicts. I'm saying that there's an incentive not to kill the addicts you already have because they are the easiest customers. You don't even need to go out and sell to them, as you do to new druggies. The addicts will come to you, and the longer you can keep them around the better...
EGarrett01 2 years ago
Except the people who go out and sell are not the people who make the decisions about how the drugs are made. They're working for some drug lord or kingpin who manages all of that.
shanedk 2 years ago
well yes, but to say there is no incentive at all to keep your drug safe is a bit of an oversimplification. i agree they have far FAR less incentive then if it were regulated. but it is still smarter to do business with as little police attention as possible, even if not all the people working in an organization realize it.
frankiep1222 2 years ago
I'm not sure how that would change anything. If you're a drug kingpin you still will have a much easier and more profitable business if you keep your hopelessly addicted customers...so the incentive would push for your product to be as addictive, yet otherwise safe, as you can make it.
EGarrett01 2 years ago
not really.
If you go back to Prohibition (Alcohol), the Mob controlled the booz the same way narcotics are controlled by crooks today. when the prohibition was lifted, so did the Mob control. the reason is because supplies will grow rapidly, especially from legal companies. thus, prices will drop, and the drugs become "safer", which ruins the profitability of the drugs to the mob-so they will drop it.
Albukhshi 2 years ago
@Albukhshi It isn't just that supplies rapidly grow and prices drop with the end of prohibition, it's that customers generally prefer to purchase from the legal sources because they product is generally of higher, or at least more consistent, quality. Some people LIKE rotgut whiskey, but nobody wants it full of methanol.
evensgrey 1 year ago
@evensgrey
makes even more sense then before. +1
Albukhshi 1 year ago
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frankiep1222 2 years ago
great vid, doing drugs is def. stupid
xoblackout 2 years ago
Shane you need to do a bogosity episode on keynesian economics, its destroying the country far more than the war on drugs and whats worse is it might be more accepted.
interstate317 2 years ago 10
This episode feels a wee bit more speculative than your other more solid ones. Still makes a good point, but its too much authority and not enough evidence, to me.
intelligentfalling 2 years ago
I agree with intelligentfalling. This vid is fairly shaky in a lot of ways. For one example, you claim that there's no incentive for illegal drug makers to have their product not kill their customers. This is so wrong it doesn't even need to be explained.
EGarrett01 2 years ago
Why not explain it anyway, just for grins?
shanedk 2 years ago
If they kill their customers they can't make more money off of them.
EGarrett01 2 years ago
Nah, there are always new kids coming in to the middle schools.
Remember that a lot of this is due to an artificial shortage of dealers. Finding people to sell to is not a problem.
shanedk 2 years ago
Okay, let's say you and I both set-up rival crack businesses.
My customers will be people who are already hopelessly addicted to crack.
You will have to go into schools and convince a kid to start doing crack for every sale you make.
Who will make more money? Whose business will be easier to run?
The answer's obvious. Retaining hopelessly addicted addicts is easier and ultimately more profitable than having to continually hook new people.
EGarrett01 2 years ago
I also thought of another good reason to legalize. If they were legal, could they be made better? Could we make a heroin that has all the pleasing effects but without all the bad side effects? It's possible but as long as they're illegal, it's certainly never going to happen.
lordthawkeye 2 years ago
Sure! Pharmaceutical companies do it all the time!
shanedk 2 years ago
Yes heroin is used in hospitals, called diacetylmorphine or diamorphine as a quicker acting version of morphine. Similar opiates like pethidine and methadone are sometimes used to treat addicts (or as alternative pain relief) but they don't have all the pleasing effects and still have some of the bad effects.
Most of the 'bad side effects' of street heroin are a result of its legal and social status
puttanesca621 2 years ago
it might also make drugs less addictive. if drugs were available in shops, like alcohol is, the companies wouldn't be as dependent on making them addictive as street dealers are, and consumers might have more incentive to buy less addictive stuff. marijuana is said to be 5 to 10 times stronger than it was in the 60's.
Fernoe 2 years ago
@lordthawkeye The only really unpleasant effect of heroin itself that I know of is constipation (a common problem with all opiates). Every other serious health issue I know of that heroin addicts run into is caused by either self-neglect (since the illegal purchase of heroin requires lots of money so other things like food and shelter don't get bought) or the cutting agents (which can be anything from sugar to cement powder to rat poison).
evensgrey 1 year ago
@evensgrey i once found a pdf file on the net which was released by the government, which had statistics saying crack cocaine is 5 times more likely to kill someone than pure cocaine. the only explanation I can come up with is that the cutting agent is a lot more likley to kill you than the cocaine itself. it also had other figures like half of all armed robberies were committed by either heroin or cocaine addicts.
Fernoe 1 year ago
@Fernoe I would suspect that, because crack is smoked (which is the fastest way to absorb almost any drug), any issues with the composition are likely to be much more intense. Crack is also more processed than the other typical forms of cocaine on the street (since it commonly is made from the powdered cocaine that is more traditionally sold), so there's more opportunity for something to go wrong with the processing.
evensgrey 1 year ago
what's with the 3 stars? I guess this was one of the videos that got vote botted.
LiberalofLiberty 2 years ago
"Remember what happened when gambling was supposed to bring jobs and wealth (casinos, state lotteries, etc.)? It didn't do either, but it certainly created far more gambling addicts." - someone debating this issue with me.
Is this true about gambling? I wish this person would have given me more context.
I don't see how treating gambling as a criminal issue would help anymore than it has with drugs.
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
There's no data it created more addicts. It just gave them a legal means of satisfying their addiction.
shanedk 2 years ago
"If you're smart enough to watch this show, you're smart enough to know that doing drugs is stupid!"
The Beatles before drugs: "She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!"
Completely homogenized, no imagination, manufactured with as little imagination as the backstreet boys
The Beatles after drugs: "Thoughts are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup, they slither while they pass, they slip away across the universe..."
get the point?
Doing dr;ugs is stupid? You have lost my respect.
Alex69Walker 2 years ago
Ahh! Come on! Prohibition wasn't all bad ask the Kennedy family! It made them a fortune as bootleggers! Nothing like making something illegal to help reduce your competition and upping the value of your product. i.e. Just as the case with the CIA and illegal drugs!
fredflint75 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
In short, you're against recreational drug use, but *also against using force/coercion (government) to stop said use.
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
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Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
2,999 views!!!
interstate317 2 years ago
@ Shane
A small thing to add at the end. When drugs are illegal, and you overdose, you can't go to the hospital, because you will probably be arrested
If drugs are legal, you have much more chance to survive an overdose, allergic reaction or anything else
amateurevolutionist 2 years ago 2
@amateurevolutionist Not only do you have a much better chance of surviving any bad reaction to drugs if the drugs are legal, you have a much lower chance of having any bad reaction in the first place. Legal drugs will be made by the pharmaceutical companies, who know how to keep out contaminants (which will reduce the risk of things like unexpected allergic reactions) and produce reliable concentrations (which reduces the risk of overdoses).
evensgrey 1 year ago
1. Astrology - well dint make me belive that astrology is not trut.
2. Evolution vs creationisam. Good one.
3. Landing on the moon. Good one allso
4. War on drugs. Good one.
Lvzifer11 2 years ago
The mother fucking government will not do shit cause they don't care about the country's well being, they once care about staying in power.
lightingandtempest 2 years ago 2
Would alcohol be a "Schedule 1 Controlled Substance"?
It has a high potential for abuse and no real medical benefit...
anwyll 2 years ago 2
exactly, i can't believe that DEA guy said marijuana is banned because it could have people driving dangerously... using that logic why isn't alcohol banned? ughhh when will we live in a free world............
DaveC86 2 years ago
Lol, If you're smart enough to watch this show, you're smart enough to know that doing drugs is stupid!
1. Well Shane, don't you have a high opinion of your show!
2. I am smoking so much pot, Snoop Dogg would blush, and I am popping more oxycotten than can appear in Rush Limbaugh's wet dreams!
No, jk. Great video, great series, and end this stupid drug war!
atlant80 2 years ago
(singing): But we're winning the war on drugs! We're winning the war on drugs! :P
Sorry, Shane, I couldn't resist. XD
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
great one shane, nice to see you tackle all the real issues!.
NoSz4 2 years ago
Didn't expect this to show up in the series, but you're making a lot of the same points I have at one point or another. Legalize the drugs, and suddenly, they can be made subject to consumer protection laws that the criminal element would otherwise be immune to.
TheBronzeDog 2 years ago
Drug use has increased since the War on Drugs has commenced. But correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation.
mooseythejuiceman 2 years ago
But it certainly doesn't do anything for the claim that it's been effective.
shanedk 2 years ago
True.
mooseythejuiceman 2 years ago 2
Marijuana is the work of the Devil!
Alcohol is Goodness and Love!
If I start smoking pot, I'll revise my statement.
OnwardsAndUpwards777 3 years ago
while I, personally am against drugs (including some legal drugs,) I do enjoy learning about the story
Teirusu155 3 years ago
Im usually with you on most things, but I have heard that the use of marijuana and other drugs can have detrimental side effects with respect to mental health, wont legalising drugs give the impression to the everyday citizen that it is okay to use them? and as a result, could cause alot more strain on the health system, and everyday families trying to cope with drug addicted family members?
rbowden123 3 years ago
Have you just "heard" it, or do you have scientific evidence that it does?
EVERY piece of evidence says that overall drug usage will DROP with legalization. That's how it happened with Prohibition.
shanedk 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
This guy is a drug addicted and delusional. He thinks he walked on the Moon..
timrocket2008 3 years ago
people did land on the moon ... if thats what your getting at, this is a completely different discussion by the way, not realy one where you can be either right or wrong, just difference of oppinion.
rbowden123 3 years ago
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Wrong.. Its not an opinion that the Moon Landings were fake and that its not ok to be a drug addicted. Its a known fact.
timrocket2008 3 years ago
I disagree. its a fact that they landed on the moon, you can still have opinion if you want, but it just means your wrong. And yes drug addiction can be bad for your health.
rbowden123 3 years ago
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Wrong again, drug addiction is bad for your health. Not "can be". It is rare that it would not.
Not a proven fact that they walked on the Moon. It has been proven that it never really happened and why.
timrocket2008 3 years ago
I do agree with Shane about being stoned and driving that you a more cautious but your depth perception is minimized and makes you a very dangerous driver
timrocket2008 3 years ago
The studies show it to be pretty much a wash. It may make you a slightly more dangerous driver, but no more so than someone listening to the radio.
shanedk 3 years ago
So my driving instructor lied to me? :(
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
shane
i believe all drugs should be legalized but I'm still not too sure on this position. what do you think?
do you think all drugs should be legalized or just marijuana?
11mc22 3 years ago
Yes, ALL drugs. The government has no business criminalizing them to begin with, and legalizing them all is the only way out of this mess.
shanedk 3 years ago
you should make some more episodes talking about war on drugs and legalization
11mc22 3 years ago
Great video. My take on the War on Drugs: the government wants to control the population size and this is why alcohol and tobacco are legal, while marijuana and mushrooms are not. As Bill Hicks once said, alcohol and tobacco do nothing for you creatively because a thinking populace is a restless populace. Dying from abuse of alcohol and tobacco is far more dangerous than abusing marijuana but it keeps the government and the faux health service in business.
mathgeek37 3 years ago
I lyk Ma CRAYK!!!1111oneoneone
flamablesteve 3 years ago
would you just have the government legalize all drugs?
CommunistHunter 3 years ago
Absolutely.
shanedk 3 years ago
which is completely stupid. Your idea of law enforcement seems to be if we can stop it, legalize it. Drugs? can ever completely stop drg trafficking, so screw it legalize it. Hell while were at it lets legalize prostitution. Hell, sense we cant stop speeding, lets do away with speed limits all together! what? we cant stop illegal arms trafficking? ok, machine guns and RPGs for everyone!
CommunistHunter 3 years ago
"Drugs? can ever completely stop drg trafficking, so screw it legalize it."
It's the illegality that CREATES the trafficking and the related crime.
"Hell while were at it lets legalize prostitution."
Yes, let's! Or don't you like the idea of getting rid of violent pimps and protecting both the prostitutes and their clients from STDs?
"lets do away with speed limits all together!"
Yes, let's. When Montana did it, both accidents and fatalities dropped dramatically.
shanedk 3 years ago
By the way, just so you know, the ban on assault weapons had little to no noticeable effect. Assault weapons were already used in a very low percentage of crimes, and there was only a minor decrease after the ban which actually correlates to a general downward-trend in violent crimes starting in 1993. The fact that the ban expired and we haven't seen a sudden upsurge in violence should indicate just how effective THAT was.
Virgil0211 3 years ago
On top of that, simply owning those things doesn't constitute harm in and of itself. There are plenty of people who buy those weapons just for the sake of having them, such as collectors. Ownership of a weapon doesn't constitute a propensity towards using it. Someone who wants to commit a crime with that weapon will figure out a way to get it, and the money will go to foreign arms dealers as well as other unlikeable characters.
Virgil0211 3 years ago
The stupidest part is, you could take a perfectly legal deer hunting rifle, replace the wooden stock with a black plastic double-grip, NOT change the barrel, firing mechanism, or ammunition in ANY way, and THEN, all of a sudden, it becomes an illegal assault weapon.
And gun control people wonder why I think they're stupid.
shanedk 3 years ago
It's because it'd look too much like the riot shotgun in Resident Evil 4. Kids might see it and think "Huh? Life's a VIDJIMAGAME!" and go out hunting "zombies". Or maybe they're just stupid.
I was just saying that based on the stats I studied in my Criminology courses. I'm a Criminal Justice major. And no, I'm not going into this profession so that I can potentially buy those neat controlled guns.
...That's just a perk. =P Anybody know where I can get an AA-12?
Virgil0211 3 years ago
Alcohol is more potent than Marijuana . But you can buy Alcohol in a store.
timrocket2008 3 years ago 12
I'm all for ending useless winless wars you McCarthism lover
klizawh 3 years ago 3
How do ou define a useless and winless war?
CommunistHunter 3 years ago
Um, a war that has no use and cannot be won?
shanedk 3 years ago
One that has actually increased drug use since 1970 and wastes many, many tax dollars that could be put to use in better ways. It'd be cheaper to rehabilitate instead of paying DEA agents, planes, fuel costs for the planes, jails, prison guards, etc. Do I need to go on?
klizawh 3 years ago
Not to mention all the rapists, murderers, and child molesters who are released early due to prison overcrowding from 60+% of the prison population being nonviolent drug offenders.
shanedk 3 years ago
HAHA, whoa that dude's name is Christ?! haha, I didn't think anyone had that name, like Hitler. Learn something everyday I guess.
sapienturk 3 years ago
I think another key part of this issue is "are you allowed to keep stupid people from doing stupid things?" And how much risk do the stupid create for the nonstupid?
It's really hard to say what will happen if prohibition is revealed until we see the results come in, and of course it's mostly a matter of opinion on whether society has improved as a whole or not.
CKtheFat 3 years ago
Doing stupid things is less damageing to society than 2 years in jail
LddStyx 3 years ago
Especially if it means having to release a murderer or rapist early.
shanedk 3 years ago
A great episode, but I'm surprised you didn't pick up on the logical hole in the whole driving impairment argument. Alcohol is legal, but people are prosecuted for driving drunk. In exactly the same way, any country with other legal drugs which impair driving ability should have laws against driving under their influence. This applies regardless of whether the effect is greater or less than the effect of alcohol.
DrMarcusHill 3 years ago
Here is another thought. Should we one day legalize all drugs, what about minors (those under 18)? When I was in high school there was a lot of kids who obviously had no problem getting alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana, etc. Should laws prohibiting the sale of these kinds of drugs to minors be repealed also? I mean, they are going to get them anyway, so would it be a good idea to just let them have them or is that just irresponsible?
Andy120290Returns 3 years ago
That wouldn't happen... Not in our government at least, and not even if drugs were legalized
If you are interested in this idea then look into anarchy because it would be the only way we could gain all of our freedoms
U4godlike 3 years ago
Did you even watch the video? Besides, I was talking about a hypothetical situation.
Why do you not look into history? History has shown that anarchy results in LESS freedom. It is a temporary sitution that is usually replace with an oligarchy. Look at the Russian Revolution. The RIGHT amount of government makes everyone more free.
Andy120290Returns 3 years ago
Early in American history certain colonies were actually planned anarchies and didn't actually want to integrate into a government. Look at your personal life? Do you need government to run it? Cant you take care of your life without force?
That is a bold face lie or you have no idea what your talking about. Please prove to me that government gives you ANY freedom.
Go search youtube for Anarchy, or Stefbot's channel before you try and discuss this topic please.
I did watch the movie :)
U4godlike 3 years ago
Our current government is too big. I am not talking about our current government. I am talking about the right size of government (MUCH smaller than ours). Without someone protecting your rights, there is nothing you can do to stop me from taking away yours. I can walk into your house, steal your valuables, and chop off your head and I will not be punished for it. If you have not watched them yet, I suggest looking at Shane's Constitution lectures.
Shane, care to comment on any of this?
Andy120290Returns 3 years ago
I believe I said,
"Go search youtube for Anarchy, or Stefbot's channel before you try and discuss this topic please."
I will go watch the videos you recommended and I really hope you will do me the same favor. If you want your questions answered all you have to do is look up Stefbot's channel. I dont agree with Stefbot entirely, but he has a great theoretic model of Anarchy IMO.
U4godlike 3 years ago
I did not say this the first time I watched this episode a few months ago, but I am saying it now. Watching this made me do a complete 180 on what I thought of drug legalization. Before, I thought all of this criminalization was a good idea. I no longer think that way. I thought people who favored drug legalization were just stupid stoners that just wanted to get a hold of marijuana more easily. And, no, I have never and will never do drugs (except for medical reasons).
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Andy120290Returns 3 years ago
Finally someone who agrees with me on this. I get looked at funny whenever I say my view on the legalization of drugs, as if you have to be a druggy to support it. I am happy to say that I have never used recreational drugs of any kind (including smoking), but I still fight to legalize them. I think people who shoot up heroin are morons, but I will always defend their right to do so.
generaleskimo 3 years ago
I'm pretty against drugs myself BUT come on.....people should be able to use what they will.
I will admit I don't people using drugs whilst operating certain machinery. However if it isn't endangering people then let the idiots get themselves killed.
Herufaia 3 years ago
Okie watched it after commenting like an idiot and I will admit you've points. They probably would be able to make dangerous drugs safer if allowed to study them and regulate them.
Herufaia 3 years ago 2
The DEA agent says that marijuana should be illegal because it can cause car accidents and is just as dangerousas alcohol. Even if this were true, doesn't that mean that alcohol should be illegal, too? Double standard.
SeenAndNotSeen 3 years ago 2
Bloody sodding hell people that driving argument was stupid! Im not against decrim and legalizing and whatnot, these last 25 years have not really yielded fantastic and great results so im pro-something-different. But Jesus H Christ and FFS, NO D.U.I. of any stuff, ever. It's not about your own driving skills, its about skills in dodging people who drive like crap! Be responsible and able to save yourself and others a lot of unnecerssary grief!
spaderfjorton 3 years ago
OK, I'm lost. Who said anything about DUI?
shanedk 3 years ago
Reefers causing more accidents than Alcohol? BS!Maybe they don't decriminalize pot in fear less alcohol sales... Been to Amsterdam's Red Light,felt safer then around Times Square,NY. BTW I'm not a user(smoked<10 times in 45yrs). Spending resources on people growing weed for their own use is PLAIN STUPID. Acapulco Gold should be available to adults in stores. If you don't legalize at least DEcriminalize! Done in Spain: no "negative" statistics ( nor "positive" ones except for the money saved!).
TKDBlues 3 years ago
That's right! They want to keep it illegal to make more money off it and be free from regulation, just LIKE EVERY LEGAL CORPORATION! Not to mention the fact that they get off scott-free from TAXES!
Licmycat 3 years ago
great video. all of them r. u convinced me lol
bongholeo 3 years ago 2
The onslaught of facts in this video was almost painful. Almost, because I'm not paranoid to think that armies of zombie-junkies will crawl out of thw sewers if drugs are legalised. Maybe I should start smoking marijuana. I here that's good for paranoia.
Extraintrovert 3 years ago
Bogosity at it's finest. who knows whats in the XTC it could be anything under the kitchen sink you mite be safer to do lines of A-Jax like cheech and chong chick.
dewkdogg 3 years ago
Right. And on the other hand, look at how Tylenol acted quickly to remove tainted product from the market--and that wasn't even their fault!
The free market has an incentive to make safe products. The black market doesn't.
shanedk 3 years ago
That was right on.
joeblacktn25 3 years ago
You sir are on a wrong path.
mrdeadmeat 3 years ago
Care to explain why? Can you refute the logic and data presented in this video?
The War on Drugs hasn't solved anything, and it's just added a host of other problems. As a result, we have the highest murder rate, violent crime rate, and incarceration rate of any other western industrial nation. It's insanity. It HAS to end.
shanedk 3 years ago
I didn't watch your video, I watched Penn And Teller's video about war on drugs, and that was enough. In my country we are giving free drugs to misusers to try and dampen the criminality. DRUGS are bad, period.
mrdeadmeat 3 years ago
Why don't you watch mine? There's very little overlap. See the attitudes of POLICE OFFICERS who know how the War on Drugs operates.
shanedk 3 years ago
Now I watched it. You can't be serious, you endorse the legalization of drugs? ARE YOU JOKING? Driving under the influence of mirihuana DOES NOT IMPROVE SAFETY, you tend to forget things when under the influence, and you can hallucinate.
You cannot simply say that drugs are okay and we shouldn't put resources into preventing and fighting drugs. Do you do drugs yourself? Legalization is really not the answer, why don't you endorse the legalization of euthinasia too while your at it.
mrdeadmeat 3 years ago
If you'd actually WATCHED the video, instead of CLAIMING to have watched it, you would have had the answer to EVERY SINGLE ONE of your questions.
shanedk 3 years ago
Ow I watched it
mrdeadmeat 3 years ago
Then you'll know I did NOT say that drugs are okay, I answered your question as to whether or not I do drugs, etc. If you did watch it, then you're a liar.
shanedk 3 years ago
Don't call me a liar you cunt, I watched it. And the overall tone was that drugs should be legalized which is dangerous. Miriuhana makes you paranoid which makes you drive safer is really really bogus, since it makes you alot less AWARE and forgetfull.
The comment if you did drugs yourself was a characteristic attack. You don't actually say that you don't do drugs in the movie, you just say that drugs are stupid but should be legalized. Maybe you should watch your own movie yourself?
mrdeadmeat 3 years ago
"Don't call me a liar you cunt, I watched it."
Then why did you say I said drugs were OK? Why did you not know whether or not I do drugs?
"Miriuhana makes you paranoid which makes you drive safer is really really bogus"
That's what the peer-reviewed scientific studies say.
"You don't actually say that you don't do drugs in the movie"
Yes, I do! I say it right at the end!
shanedk 3 years ago
And also, if you've watched it, you'll have encountered the argument, "I don't want to legalize it because it's safe; I want to legalize it because it's dangerous."
Either you didn't watch it, in which case you're a liar, or you did and you're misrepresenting me, in which case you're a liar.
As ANYONE who actually WATCHES the episode can see.
shanedk 3 years ago
Really bad arguments you have there. And please give me the exact time when you say you do not do drugs, and if you can't find it, then you sir are the liar.
mrdeadmeat 3 years ago
"Really bad arguments you have there"
That's the conclusion of a professional pharmacologist with decades of experience. What's your credentials?
"And please give me the exact time when you say you do not do drugs, and if you can't find it, then you sir are the liar. "
04:31 in Part 3, liar.
shanedk 3 years ago
Ow there are more episodes ^^
mrdeadmeat 3 years ago
Then I didn't watch the whole thing, not that I'm going to, that first part was torture enough.
mrdeadmeat 3 years ago
Spoken like a true closed-minded person...
shanedk 3 years ago
Those are good arguements, youre not grasping what he's saying. lol educate yourself buddy
Seiku 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Just do your drugs and shut up.
mrdeadmeat 3 years ago
Uh oh now youre sterotyping and trying to silence people. :) Haha Ive never used drugs before. XD
I think you should apologise instead of saving face lol.
Seiku 3 years ago
I will never apolagize, legalizing drugs would be the worst move for any country. Now letting addicts get drugs free, thats an idea that would decrease crime rates, but legalizing it is OUT OF THE QUESTION!
mrdeadmeat 3 years ago
You should really watch this guys other videos before you assume the outcome. The addiction rate has not increased nor dropped before and or after the War on Drugs, nor in the last 100 years. Infact the crime rate and death rates relating to the War on Drugs and the amount of people jailed (even innocent) has increased greatly because of it. So whats working? I would rather have access to drugs in wall marts pharmacy section than the street corner from violent gangs. Youre an uncaring fool.
Seiku 3 years ago 3
The problem is you determine what to do by the intent rather than the result. Which is why folks like you assume War on Drugs is good. That socialized medacine is good or that government should control this or that. You need to start understanding the role of goverment and look at reality of whats happening around us. I bet you live in a drug free neighborhood with no experience of drug related problems. My cousin took to the streets, stealing our stuff for his drugs after we tried to help him.
Seiku 3 years ago 3
If drugs were legaly available we could have saved him from his own addiction by controlling his level of use. He wanted to quit but the addiction broke his will. If there was a controlled market for drug use or by the hospitols we could have saved him. He wouldnt have had the need to take to the streets, stealing to make the cash needed to afford expensive drugs from criminals. Do you know how many times he has been hospitolized for over use? Think about that.
Seiku 3 years ago
Hmmm, you are on to something. Hey maybe we should have an office where you can silicitate hitmen, that way those who want people killed don't kneed to talk to scary gangsters.
mrdeadmeat 3 years ago
I totally agree with you on this. IMO (might be fact) Marijuana is less of a drug chemically and much less harmful than cigarettes...gotta check out you other "opinions".
TIKOMIX 3 years ago
I live in canada, canadien law still prohibits drugs to a sertan degree but we dont get thrown in jail for it (they just confisgate from us). What is also cool is that our government allows the use of medical marijuana for people with severe pain. But the coolest thing is that we are aloud to legaly posess as much as 5 grams of marijuana
spunkeez 4 years ago
I pressed play and waited for the usual rheotic on drugs are bad because of...
But was refreshingly surprised.
Nice one Shane!
rageunderground 4 years ago 3
As much as I dig your videos, I'm a little offended at the outright blanket statement that doing drugs is "stupid". :(
SirMildredPierce 4 years ago