Bless you all for doing this on behalf of those who cant - see the talk section of the Ian Duncan Smith page on Wikipedia - a man who flies the 'liberal democrat supporter' flag on his 'user page' called Rrius censored a list of 15 suicides due to the benefit cuts this year alone from this page...justbefore the lib dem conference started.....please .surf there and tell him Wiki is an encylopaedia, not a propaganda tool for the lib cons.....
"The promise from the Government is that: No longer will it be possible to be better off on benefits than in work." So are they going to event jobs with wages in line with the cost of living then? i think not. Especially when their so ready to farm people out to multi million pond businesses for £2 p/hr.
they expect jobseekers to work for 30 hours per week for the measly sum of £67.50 that works out at £2.25 an hour BUT THE MININMUM WAGE IS £6.08
AN HOUR SO HOW DO THEY EXPECT PEOPLE TO WORK FOR JUST OVER £2 PER HOUR THAT'S ILLEGAL THATS WHY THEY INTRODUCED THE MINIMUM WAGE SO PEOPLE GET FAIR PAY
Are they only paid for each 'client' who gets one of the jobs they direct them to (thru aranged interviews, placements ect) or are they paid for anyone who happens to find work while on the programme? Or won't anyone tell the public?
@LLydarth Under the programme, providers will only get paid when they have been in the job for six months. However, they will also receive up to 26 four-weekly “sustainment payments”, as well as an incentive payment of £1,000 in some cases.
Payment ranges from £3,500 for a person in the 18-24 age group for somebody who leaves Jobseekers Allowance, up to a maximum of £14,000 for someone previously receiving Incapacity Benefit.
@Drumthunder99 Have just come across this and felt i should share it with all "they have got to be bloody joking"
DWP website
"We are using a black box approach, we are trusting the professionals"LOL" to deliver the support they know works?????????. We are saying to providers: "You do what needs to be done and we will pay you when you are successful"?????????????????????????.
@Drumthunder99 Yeah it's a totally hilarious statement ''We are saying to providers: 'you do what needs to be done' - (ie: falsify all documents to get the unemployment figures down) 'and we will pay you when you are successful' (ie: a successful outcome to the likes of A4e is when then have got someone into a job that lasts for one day).
@deborah8576 Things are really going to get worse for all the unemployed, kind of confirmed it to me last night listening to a debate on unemployed and the new sanctions game comin our way soon! slap head and the gang cant wait to apply the 3 strikes and your out,plus they were saying after 2 years if you unfortunately end up for that long on the slave programme you are then going to be transferred to community service,similar to what ex cons get.Nice one ds.
@LLydarth Cont ... The provider also gets a £400 attachment fee for a JSA claimant referred to them. Don't know if the figure is higher for ESA claimants.
I'm not sure if they get any money for organising unpaid work placements.
I began to sign my name for the first 4 letters but then scribbled it out, saying I categorically did not want to give consent. This won't be used as a signature will it?
Seems the shit has finaly hit the fan concerning my dealings with a4e.Those bastards have sent a letter to the jobcentre trying to get me sanctioned on some fuckin bullshit trumpted up charges! It would appear that if you rock the boat, they rock back twice as hard. Can't go into the details here as i'm sure they keep an eye on these comments and i don't want to give away my annonymity/game plan! Any advice on how to deal with a sanction attempt by these
@fcuka4e if theyre trying to land you with a sanction on the workprogramme,they have rules and procedures they have to follow,i havent the link but its all on the goverments website what providers are bound by,hold back,gather all info,find out what they have done wrong,hopefully loads and then esculate the complaint ,if you win they have to pay 5k in a fine and you may get costs awarded to you.they need to be 100% certain that what they are doing is correct! if wrong they r in shit!!
I'm gonna fight the cunts the best i can chaps..I'll keep you posted. 2 weeks till my next sign on, and i'm ready to give them hell. Unfortunately it'll be their word against mine.
@fcuka4e Yr best bet everytime u get sanctioned is 2 take them all the way 2 a tribunal (the people there r completely independent from DWP and know the law inside out) Id say in 80% of cases the DWP shit themselves and overturn any doubt and reinstate your money b4 it gets that far as going 2 a tribunal costs them a lot of money and they know that the law is goin 2 be on yr side if u av followed yr Jobseekers agreement. They just hope most people will accept the sanction and not appeal
@deborah8576 Well said deborah8576, backbone is whats needed with these scum bags! i will certainly be doing what you advise, they will cause me know end of problems with council etc while just forcing me into irrelevant unpaid work with sanctions still hanging over workprogramme slave heads.
@fcuka4e I agree with you as i was warned yesterday by benefits adviser that weither i am right doesnt matter as rocking the boat will have em trying to sanction...it appears our rights are ignored...i do not have to sign or agree any kind of action plan with provider but i will still risk a sanction if i stand up for my rights?? this is a complete disgrace...
write to your mp asap, and contact as many media, newspapers by email, let them know this .You probably still have the threat of sanctions hanging over your head,if so IMHO its out right DISCRIMINATION as the tory barstrds have removed that threat now for WORKFARE participants. Someone needs to kick up a stink about this liitle error of theirs,no threat to benefits on workfare,just on the slave programme.Totally wrong.
Can anyone please tell me if we still have to do this work programe.. im in a charity shop and theres nothing to do i just stand there like a plank all day and dont see how im benefiting from it!!!! please help :(
@sctt1979 Suggest you make a formal complaint to provider. Then when they a) keep you waiting 8 weeks + for a reply or whitewash your compalint. You can then take to the Independent Case Examiner (ICE). If ICE uphold you complaint - even partly - the provider has to cough up £5k.
I dont see why they have a legal right to your phone number any way,can some one confirm this? as i totally agree with the postal method.I know there are laws under the telecommunications acy for harrassment etc and as we all know this is heading in that direction with al the mandatory crap the torys are bashing everyone with.
@Drumthunder99 If the jobcentre have your phone number, that will have been passed onto the provider when you had been referred to them. My understanding is that you can choose how you wish the provider to contact you: letter, phone or email. But you should check the work programme booklet/customer charter issued to you by the provider to make sure.
@edinburghrr Did they have a right to do this if you never gave consent in the 1st place, i didnt have to sign anything before i was put on the WP ive heard some people were.
Thanks for the tip on provider charter etc ,will be having a look.
@Drumthunder99 The DWP claim they do not need a claimant's permission to pass on their details to a provider because the provider is carrying out work on behalf of the DWP. I know I'm always saying this - but short of a legal challenge it will be difficult to prove.
I also heard that that some .jobcentres were asking permission. But don't know if that was for wp or something else. Which shouldn't make any difference anyway.. .
@edinburghrr this all sounds very hit and miss when you read through the data protection laws,again this goverment seem to think that bashing the unemployed every chance they get seems to distract everyone from what they are really upto"nothing"lol. Do you know how that woman is getting on with her legal challenge about forced work trial,mandatory work activity etc.Surely if the goverment have now u turned on sanctions for workfare they must on the WORKPROGRAMME.
@Drumthunder99 Exactly, the same private sector providers who failed miserably with New Deal and FND. They are nothing but snake oil salesmen. And our government put their faith in them and gave them millions £ of taxpayers money. Even the Daily Mail has finally woken up to the reality!
@Drumthunder99 I haven't heard anything about the Cait Reilly case. I'd imagine it will take months rather than weeks. And if she wins her case - which we all hope - it should put the kybosh on all these slave labour schemes.
No doubt the government would try and argue they need to keep some sanctions for some schemes. But let's hope they do a U turn on the rest.
@edinburghrr Wouldnt it be great for the liitle person in the street for once wont be bullied into this slave mentality.Seems i may have a serious problem,only comment please if you or anyone is 100% correct with this,data forms,i didnt sign,have it writing from them why i didnt.Problem is i was douped into letting them toy with my cv and said it was ok to change this and that,by doing this i wasnt giving them consent to sell my data or labour to the whole of the uk, have i ?
@Drumthunder99 if so,what letter do i fire at them when i see them in a few wks time. Any advice most appreciated.Seems they may have caught me sleeping,its now obvious as to why they were paying such a unhealthy amount of attention to my cv.Do i need to withdraw consent ? Anyone know what passes in a legal way as giving consent on the lines of what they want that data for.?
@Drumthunder99 If you already given consent, you need to withdaw it ASAP. make sure you get confirmation in writing that you have withdrawn consent.
Just write a letter saying ' I wish to withdraw my consent allowing you to share my personal information with third-parties". "Please confirm in writing when this has been done"
@edinburghrr didnt give my consent on data forms,what s worryingh me is that they have mycv and have edited it a few wks after starting the programme with my consent to change,i did not at any stage they could then go on an use this data exclusive to them sharks! just dont want to get screwed over by them.
@Drumthunder99 Absolutely, but more claimants need to be prepared to stand up for themselves. There's still a few parts of the country that has claimant groups who provide help and support. Besides Edinburgh, there's Brighton, Derbyshire, Newcastle and several groups in London.
@Drumthunder99 I was asked about my cv too and as with the question of confirming to them my telephone no., this would be consenting and therefore re-entering into the the agreement, which as you all know i declined. So by agreeing to them altering your cv surely this would be again consent. I should them my cv, which had only my name on the top and NO contact details. I was at the Jobcentre Monday and she checked my job card, to which she replied "you have done all these searches yourself?"
@scrumshies cont., I replied " well you dont think WL did it and as you are aware it is a JSA requirement that these cards are filled out as proof of the effort that you a job seeker is making. She was surprised that i was doing it without their help, so why the F..K am i referred to a programme that clearly cant function at the basic level, they are supposedly doing for their clients! Its a total shambles,worked since i left school and paid off then told i need work experience. Dont figure!
@scrumshies cont., sorry meant to say worked for 20 years since leaving school................. then i still need work experience.......what a load of shite!
@scrumshies how long have you been on the slave programme, how the fck can they say you need work experience.If you read through all the providers a2z of what they can and cant ask you to do it says something that they have to find it a reasonable request to send you on work experience,and that is initiated 1st by the JC staff,you can argue your case easily,what part of 20years work dont they understand.lol
@Drumthunder99 Hi and sorry for a late reply to your comments, kids an all that entails.
I think the issue here guys is forget the politics involved in these schemes and the billions its supposed to either create or cost, the real problem with the economy is that tax payers cant sustain the ever increasing social cost of the welfare system. And the main money drain is the child tax credit system. Example a teenager at 16 has her 1st child and by 19 she's had the 3rd,
@scrumshies cont, so by the present system she is now entitled to social funding upto £35k a year(single parent). And thats a fact.I'm sure Bevin in his original draft of the welfare/national insurance he didnt figure that teenagers in 60+ years later would be claiming" i know my rights" and "i know what i'm entitled to". Sorry since when did people who have never provided the system with their taxes would be entitled to a life of luxury at the expense of those who do!
@scrumshies cont. Lets not forget the number of families which will fall into this catagory and they are definately not the minority. I have worked for 20 years and paid all the way especially for child care while i was working, leaving very little. A true story one day i went to pick my child up at nursery(private run) and i noticed that his wee new friend both of which had the snot caked to their faces. At this point his father arrived stinking of drink and a bottle of buckfast in his pocket
@scrumshies cont. He splurted out "great big man int it, ear awe week fur a tenner" Ofcourse i nearly fell over not with the smell of drink but hey it was costing me £150 for half days and my kid had no better a service than his, remember the snot. I exclaimed loudly to the owner who replied they are private but have certain numbers to fill at the subsidised level. So if unemployed and registered an alcoholic you can get nearly free child care! WTF is wrong which these politicians.
@scrumshies cont. I'm not pretending to know the answers, hey i hope i dont come across as a crusading saint either, but if the system benefits a portion of society more than the other than, then is this not morally wrong. I thought utilitarianism meant that all better as a whole than the one,Democracy! Lets not forget politician and the expense scandal get a silly slap on the wraist and if you or i get caught of fraud, never mind defrauding the government, you would be doing serious porridge.
@scrumshies Goverment always seems capable of spending millions on the military or bailing the bankers or lining there own pockets.....We pay into a system and thus get benefits when we need em....i guess you agree with the privatisation of the nhs as well? infact i query why you are on this page as your spamming comments are complete brainwashed drivel...ps no need to reply
@TheWolfmoon21 WTF where on my so called spams did i say i agreed with the government on anything and brainwashed, hey if you had a brain you could see what i said. And further to your comment about agreeing with the privatisation of the nhs, well my partner is an nhs employee and no WE DONT agree with the ongoing capitalist manipulation of what bevin and his like had dreamed for the social welfare of the people. So what ever you thought i said you couldnt be more wrong. No need to reply ditto
@scrumshies Every uk person has a right to benefits no matter what demonising or petty perspectives people have because we have descendants who fought and died for our rights and whom payed into this system.
@TheWolfmoon21 I whole heartedly agree with the rights afford to people by the very struggles enjoured over histories socialist development, from the middle ages to present day. But sorry i take exception to the referral to demonising and petty perspectives, personal experience of 20 years work,paying my dues, there seems to be a glaring unfairness of the benefit system, whereby it pays not to work i.e irresponsible single parents and why should the tax payer on minium wage be worse off !
@scrumshies I do understand what you are saying concerning certain groups of people in uk society.....and you are correct that i did misread your other comments so i am sorry for getting off on the wrong foot.
@TheWolfmoon21 CHEERS and for a moment i had to reread my posts to check again LOL Its true "divide them and they will fall" We all spend time, as you rightly pointed out, casting aspersions on other elements of society, like our decendants not demanding more rights, but making sure there are laws and accountability for those in positions of power, who all too often abuse this trust, politicians and their prep school flunky pals, all those CEOs.
@scrumshies i know what you mean,they just dont know what to do with the overflow of people,i was over at the WP a few wks ago and they said its getting real busy.Its just going to be like new deal a total waste of time and billions of tax payers money.Grayling and smith are totally bloody useless.We are just numbers to them if they get lucky plcing us in a dead end job,they get paid.Think they will go bust 1st though.
@scrumshies i see what your saying,but if this came down to a legal challenge tribunal etc it wouldnt wash,just because someone who is supposedly a cv advisor edits your cv on that particular day dosent give them sole right of ownership of that data.They may think thats the case but i am sure the information commisioners office would have a diferent view.
@sctt1979 i think this is the next staep for the media to be given the info regarding this,i dont see how they can have one rule for one and not another.
just seen you r other post states "Govt 'Drops Sanctions Against Jobseekers' is that for all us on the slave programme?
@Drumthunder99 ok sorry didnt read correct,anyone with any ideas to get the ball rolling on this.the actual work programme seems to be overlooked with sanctions and i am wondering why.
@sctt1979 well done sctt1979,see my post above.I think this also comes under discrimination as to how workfair and the work programme are being operated.
my adviser tells me today I will be seen every 2wks and I must e-mail her a list of every job I have applied for. also I have been told not to do a job search at home on the day my appointment
with working links I must carry it out on there computers? I have also been told I am in a ready to work category was told I could have vouchers for clothes because I was worth spending money on she all but said she parks and dumps the no hoper's not worth there
@sctt1979 Hi There and if you have been following me well i had my 2nd appointment yesterday, where upon i was told the next stage, they'll work out my suitability for work have my cv ready, ect. Then i handed him my consent request for my information to be removed from the system. I insisted it was signed by him as a reciept he'd recieved and entered it into the system, which he did. After this he asked if I would confirm my telephone no., so he could contact me with my next appointment.....
@scrumshies cont,so i asked him by confirming my telephone no., would this then infer that i was consenting and entering then into their agreement....No response, so I said any further communication by Working links must now be done in WRITING, which he reluctantly agreed.........Stand FIRM everbody and dont consent and as with the latest developments today, this work programme is on very shakey ground and will now have to be readdressed by the fuckwits that thought it up in the first place!
@scrumshies well done I didn't sign the consent either it makes no sense to withhold your phone number or contact details your now in control of CV and your
documents they cant do a thing without calling you first also they already have your
contact details on file which the job centre sent over when you were referred its not
a get out of WP card by not signing remember that your just keeping control and maybe making it harder for them to wk the scheme
@sctt1979 Even though the Jobcentre will av passed on yr 4n number 2 these Providers u still av 2 confirm that the number is yrs as DWP guidance 2 Providers clearly state that any information they hold about a claimant is correct and up 2 date. So even if they av yr number - if you rufuse 2 confirm its up2 date they cant contact u by phone. And trust me, not giving them yr number is the best thing 2 do as it slows everything down 2 a snails pace when they av 2 keep contacting u by post
@scrumshies i cant see by confirmation of a telephone number is a binding agreement to consent,if you want them to be contacting you by post then its tough crap on them,they will hav to get writing,mine are going to be stuffed as i cant afford my mobile bill anymore.Oh dear!
Really glad you showed some backbone to these money shark providers.
The are harrassing to people to sign papers when they get a job. People who have not even had their first interview with them. They are trying to claim this as a job outcome when the person has found work themselves. I would say this is defrauding the taxpayer.
@jgsouter It most absolutely is, and they are are also discriminating against them now taking into account what grayling said the other day that all on work fare will not lose out by sanctions if they pull out after a week ,yet on the workprogramme for 24+ age group i think that little game of his still stands.?
@Drumthunder99 It's in Chapter 3 of the Work Programme Provider Guidance - under Action Planning. I can paste the link in here, but if you google "work programme provider guidance" you should find it. Let me know if you can't.
The Guardian... 'Emma Harrison, the prime minister's former family tsar who quit amid allegations of "fat cat" pay and fraud, received around £1.7m over two years from leasing out properties, including her family stately home, to the firm she built on the back of state-funded welfare-to-work programmes.'.... WTF! Renting out her tax payer bought home, to the tax payer! That fucking bitch needs to burn on a stake. The fucking boggle eyed cunt makes me sick.
@fcuka4e The Department of Work and Pensions, it emerged, has exempted private companies in the Work Programme from inspections by Ofsted, the standards body that previously inspected companies involved in welfare and training.
@fcuka4e is this right, grayling has now said anyone pulling out of the workfair scheme aged 16-24 while doing a work trial activity etc wont have sanctions applied ?
If so what about everyone else above the age of 24.on the work programme.Is there something really special about the application of sanctions on people via the WP as oppossed to workfair?
@edinburghrr good on you ram,and i hope you make it crystal clear to the journalist that despite that hal wit chris grayling banging on to the genral public that the negative vibes with the WP is being done in his words"by a few internet activists" tell themto do some research on the precentage of positive outcomes of any good regarding this crap,i have it down at 90% neg.
@Drumthunder99 The piece they intend to publish will be very short. I sent the journalist over 50 pages of docs - including emails and DWP and A4e docs that I had scanned. Still, it's better than no publicity. And with the media feeding frenzy going on perhaps another paper will be interested in doing a longer piece on my A4e work programme story.
@edinburghrr wish you good luck with that, i dont see why the unemployed should be getting totally shafted by this goverment for their own incapabilities of bringing enough jobs to the economy,not that any goverment could with the state of things,but they all should shut up and admit we are in total crap and its most definitely not the fault of someone claiming jsa etc. They need to wake up and try shafting the banks instead.
@Drumthunder99 Thanks. You should watch Max Keiser (Keiser Report) on RT. If you don't mind a loud straight talking American. He's called for the public execution of bankers, he used to work on Wall Street, so he knows all about the dodgy dealings of bankers. And he's always slagging off Cameron.
@fcuka4e It will certainly help. And there are more stories about how badly A4e treat their clients coming out too. I now have several journalist contacts. So If you have a story, or know someone that does - let me know.
@edinburghrr it would be great if the media could study the lack of effectivness the overall stratedgy of the work programme is having,like sitting in a room doing mindless cv s and interview techniques,ive done a 100 so think i am ok.
Just wanna ask everyone 2 check out the video ''A4e is an absolute outrage''. The guy in the video is brilliant (and very entertaining! lol) He expresses the disgust and rage that most claimants who have suffered at the hands of those twats will feel (and i highly recommend his other videos 2)
*** Chris Grayling told Evan Davis on the Today Progamme (BBC Radio 4) Fri 24 Feb - that unpaid work placements are ONLY compulsory for claimants on the Mandatory Work Activity (MWA) scheme. Looks as though we finally have a a definitive answer to the question many visitors have been asking!
@edinburghrr Tonight 5 mins ago on news night bbc2 a tory minister says he thinks the work programme provides valuable inter personal skills experience when stacking shelves in tescos, does he want people to start having coversations with the tins.This goverment are a joke! They are so pig headed its incredible.
@TheNickNaughty I once knew someone that used to comb the hairs on his legs. can you imagine him sat in the aisle at Poundland. The boss comes up and asks what he's doing. "I'm just coming my hair, guv".
@Drumthunder99 Cheers, wanted to watch it but was too late. That's great, so now unpaid work experience improves your inter-personal skills. What will they come up with next.
@edinburghrr there was also more of this on 5 live, they had a real arogant tory yank on there,if i couldve got inside the radio i would have hit him.lol
@Drumthunder99 I listened 2 that as well. My blood pressure must av been thru the roof as i was listening 2 that prick. Hes the one that came up with this workfare shite in America - hes a right wing republican tea party bastard who wants the minimum wage 2 be scrapped so that the poor can be forced 2 shovel shit 4 10p a day. Hes an absolute knob head. And did you hear Miss f""king citric knickers Katie Hopkins on there as well? She needs that pig ugly face of hers smashing in lol
me too,sent me into a silent rage as i listened ,and your right that spoilt golden spoon brat made me puke.They are not or have ever been in the real world,although she says she has i would imagine this to be for a matter of weeks.As for the yank he would have us all in tent city if he had his way,these self rightoeous gits really do believe we are not entitled to a real living wage.
Does anyone know if it is possible to amend my jsa agreement regarding consent to third party etc as i was told today that i have already given consent to dole through the jsa agreement concerning the work programme and that i cannot amend my agreement??
@TheWolfmoon21 That's a tricky one. The DWP claim they do not need your consent to share your info with a provider in regards to the work programme. I think they do, but it will be difficult to get anywhere with this unless you can find a solicitor to make a legal challlenge. Not sure if I have answered your question?
@edinburghrr I am trying to find info regarding the jsa agreement in the jobseekers act but it is like i am being blocked from every page lol.....i am concerned that although i have a job seekers agreement i have certainly not agreed nor give consent regarding a work programme in that agreement but they are trying to use that agreement as my consent?? thus i am attempting to read the act to look for inconsistency in what i am being told
@TheWolfmoon21 All I can suggest is you put your question in writing to your local jobcentre asking which legislation they have used. Sorry I can't be of more help
@edinburghrr its ok :) its like a minefield lol i got a meeting coming up with benefits adviser manager to discuss my concerns...i may phone them and ask them to bring the evidence wich contains my consent regarding there sharing of my personal info with 3rd parties....i know jsa directions means i have to do work programme however i will still refuse consent to provider etc
@edinburghrr Also i was told today that the work programme does not force you too do unpaid work and that it is voluntary and depends upon what you agree in the action plan drawn up between you and the provider...well that is what the dole people said today anyway lol
@Drumthunder99 Action plan is like an agreed upon action between you and the provider...jus like the jsa agreement were certain things are agreed upon
Ive been allowed to sign time sheets in exchange for promising not to come in and drive them all mad, they will do absolutely anything to get paid, its just another bonus mad driven scam.
@stephen48151 Well said and so right you are.They are greedy buggers from planet mars.They are now trying to cover this up saying its all been some plan of a few activists,i would say the companies who are now pulling out daily,burger king tonight,are seeing the legal implications which they could face,people are not going to allow to be kicked at the expense of the goverment and thegreedy bankers who have caused this total fck up.
@stephen48151 I think by late summer this pile of shit will be in serious trouble,if the providers cant place people in poundland and anyother slave labour mentality company then they are going to go bust,mean time they have their own over heads staff wages to pay and the dole ques are going to get bigger.
@deborah8576 Yeah, I just saw it on the BBC site. Be interesting to see if they end up getting prosecuted. A4e always claim they're a victim of fraud by rogue staff. Let's see if A4e call for their prosecution?
@edinburghrr Oh you just know what will end up happening, it'll just be blamed on a couple of ''rogue'' advisors and they'll come out with the usual bollocks that ''lessons have been learned'' blah blah blah...you know the rest. I just wish it was Emma Harrison herself that was arrested just for the pure humiliation lol....god i despise that woman, she's absolute scum
This is a great video. But one drawback I see is that if you antagonise these organisation-and by deneying them their wad by refusing to sign is certainly goin to antagonise them-then they might decide to treat you as a serious trouble maker and you could end up finding yourself being sent by them to every shitty useless job they can find to send you to. Whereas if you play ball they just might not get on your case. Of course it's everyone's choice what they decide 2 do -re signing or not anyway
@sctt1979 "my adviser wants me to bring my job-log with me next week I though it was only for showing"
Isn't that property of Jobcentre.
There is a bullet point. Show that you are actively seeking employment. You must show that you were actively seeking employment in each week covered by your Labour Market Declaration.
I would guess that the last part means jobcentre and not the work programme provider.
@TheNickNaughty yeah I am defo going to enquire about this Working Links have no business with my job log the thing is the jobcentre Havant been signing the bottom of each fortnight on my joblog now fow at least 2mnths i am definitely suspicious
@sctt1979 I honestly now think that the WP are now dealing with the job logs I think that is why your dole card is highlighted with WP so as to save them not checking another
way of the WP sanctioning you if they think your not doing enough Christ we are all walking in a mine field only the nasty Tory gov. would come up with such a pre-loaded scheme
My i2i work programme advisor is a grotesquely ugly creep [I'm a woman] who puts on a clearly rehearsed act of "I know you are in despair, thinking you'll never get a job again but worry no more I am a knight in shining armour of Prince Ian Duncan." And he scratched his balls in front of me.
@LLydarth Perhaps the scratching of his balls is his idea of making a pass. I would have been tempted to laugh if I'd got a speech like that. No doubt he'll tell you about the hidden job market at some point, and how there their really are plenty of jobs out there.
@edinburghrr Well he didn't literally say that but it was strongly implied by his hinting that the company knew the hidden job market + was absolutely garanteed to get me a job. At the point where he scratched his balls I found it hard not to laugh. It was one of those times when a cringeworthy situation gets worse + suddenly becomes funny. Also found it hard to laugh when another advisor told us we would be more likely to find work if we got more interviews.
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Bless you all for doing this on behalf of those who cant - see the talk section of the Ian Duncan Smith page on Wikipedia - a man who flies the 'liberal democrat supporter' flag on his 'user page' called Rrius censored a list of 15 suicides due to the benefit cuts this year alone from this page...justbefore the lib dem conference started.....please .surf there and tell him Wiki is an encylopaedia, not a propaganda tool for the lib cons.....
iBeep2009 1 hour ago
Another line of bull from the goverment.
"The promise from the Government is that: No longer will it be possible to be better off on benefits than in work." So are they going to event jobs with wages in line with the cost of living then? i think not. Especially when their so ready to farm people out to multi million pond businesses for £2 p/hr.
Drumthunder99 3 hours ago
they expect jobseekers to work for 30 hours per week for the measly sum of £67.50 that works out at £2.25 an hour BUT THE MININMUM WAGE IS £6.08
AN HOUR SO HOW DO THEY EXPECT PEOPLE TO WORK FOR JUST OVER £2 PER HOUR THAT'S ILLEGAL THATS WHY THEY INTRODUCED THE MINIMUM WAGE SO PEOPLE GET FAIR PAY
mashbob11 1 day ago
Are they only paid for each 'client' who gets one of the jobs they direct them to (thru aranged interviews, placements ect) or are they paid for anyone who happens to find work while on the programme? Or won't anyone tell the public?
LLydarth 3 days ago in playlist F U i2i I've got a voluntary job!
@LLydarth Under the programme, providers will only get paid when they have been in the job for six months. However, they will also receive up to 26 four-weekly “sustainment payments”, as well as an incentive payment of £1,000 in some cases.
Payment ranges from £3,500 for a person in the 18-24 age group for somebody who leaves Jobseekers Allowance, up to a maximum of £14,000 for someone previously receiving Incapacity Benefit.
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edinburghrr 3 days ago
@edinburghrr They really do have their work cut out for them.lol
Drumthunder99 2 days ago
@Drumthunder99 Have just come across this and felt i should share it with all "they have got to be bloody joking"
DWP website
"We are using a black box approach, we are trusting the professionals"LOL" to deliver the support they know works?????????. We are saying to providers: "You do what needs to be done and we will pay you when you are successful"?????????????????????????.
Drumthunder99 2 days ago
@Drumthunder99 Yeah it's a totally hilarious statement ''We are saying to providers: 'you do what needs to be done' - (ie: falsify all documents to get the unemployment figures down) 'and we will pay you when you are successful' (ie: a successful outcome to the likes of A4e is when then have got someone into a job that lasts for one day).
deborah8576 1 day ago
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@deborah8576 Things are really going to get worse for all the unemployed, kind of confirmed it to me last night listening to a debate on unemployed and the new sanctions game comin our way soon! slap head and the gang cant wait to apply the 3 strikes and your out,plus they were saying after 2 years if you unfortunately end up for that long on the slave programme you are then going to be transferred to community service,similar to what ex cons get.Nice one ds.
Drumthunder99 4 hours ago
@Drumthunder99 "black box approach"
That sounds politically incorrect.
TheNickNaughty 4 hours ago
@LLydarth Cont ... The provider also gets a £400 attachment fee for a JSA claimant referred to them. Don't know if the figure is higher for ESA claimants.
I'm not sure if they get any money for organising unpaid work placements.
edinburghrr 3 days ago
I began to sign my name for the first 4 letters but then scribbled it out, saying I categorically did not want to give consent. This won't be used as a signature will it?
thecreative235 5 days ago
@thecreative235 You should be okay if you scribbled it out. Well done for not signing.
edinburghrr 5 days ago
Anymore news on the A4e fraud yet ?
TheNickNaughty 6 days ago
@TheNickNaughty I haven't heard anything. Soon as I do will post it on here
edinburghrr 6 days ago
Lets get together and stop this exploitation NOW! Quit the work Programme!
ConcernedCitizenUK 1 week ago
@ConcernedCitizenUK sould be many here that agree with you.
Drumthunder99 6 days ago
Seems the shit has finaly hit the fan concerning my dealings with a4e.Those bastards have sent a letter to the jobcentre trying to get me sanctioned on some fuckin bullshit trumpted up charges! It would appear that if you rock the boat, they rock back twice as hard. Can't go into the details here as i'm sure they keep an eye on these comments and i don't want to give away my annonymity/game plan! Any advice on how to deal with a sanction attempt by these
poverty pimps would be much appreciated.
fcuka4e 1 week ago
@fcuka4e if theyre trying to land you with a sanction on the workprogramme,they have rules and procedures they have to follow,i havent the link but its all on the goverments website what providers are bound by,hold back,gather all info,find out what they have done wrong,hopefully loads and then esculate the complaint ,if you win they have to pay 5k in a fine and you may get costs awarded to you.they need to be 100% certain that what they are doing is correct! if wrong they r in shit!!
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
I'm gonna fight the cunts the best i can chaps..I'll keep you posted. 2 weeks till my next sign on, and i'm ready to give them hell. Unfortunately it'll be their word against mine.
fcuka4e 1 week ago
@fcuka4e Go 4 it !! keep us all posted on this.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
@fcuka4e take a witness with you, or ask for the conversation to be recorded.Out it to them beforehand in writing.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
@fcuka4e Yr best bet everytime u get sanctioned is 2 take them all the way 2 a tribunal (the people there r completely independent from DWP and know the law inside out) Id say in 80% of cases the DWP shit themselves and overturn any doubt and reinstate your money b4 it gets that far as going 2 a tribunal costs them a lot of money and they know that the law is goin 2 be on yr side if u av followed yr Jobseekers agreement. They just hope most people will accept the sanction and not appeal
deborah8576 1 week ago
@deborah8576 Well said deborah8576, backbone is whats needed with these scum bags! i will certainly be doing what you advise, they will cause me know end of problems with council etc while just forcing me into irrelevant unpaid work with sanctions still hanging over workprogramme slave heads.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
@deborah8576 Many thanks for the info you sent me on MWA.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
@fcuka4e Send me a message, I may be able to help. Had to deal with a sanction last year.
edinburghrr 4 days ago
@fcuka4e I agree with you as i was warned yesterday by benefits adviser that weither i am right doesnt matter as rocking the boat will have em trying to sanction...it appears our rights are ignored...i do not have to sign or agree any kind of action plan with provider but i will still risk a sanction if i stand up for my rights?? this is a complete disgrace...
TheWolfmoon21 3 days ago
write to your mp asap, and contact as many media, newspapers by email, let them know this .You probably still have the threat of sanctions hanging over your head,if so IMHO its out right DISCRIMINATION as the tory barstrds have removed that threat now for WORKFARE participants. Someone needs to kick up a stink about this liitle error of theirs,no threat to benefits on workfare,just on the slave programme.Totally wrong.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
Can anyone please tell me if we still have to do this work programe.. im in a charity shop and theres nothing to do i just stand there like a plank all day and dont see how im benefiting from it!!!! please help :(
MyXboxTV1 1 week ago
@MyXboxTV1 Firstly, you need to make a formal complaint to both the head office of the charity and your provider.
edinburghrr 1 week ago
two weeks on the work programme now and not one phone call or offer of a job
disgusted so far
sctt1979 1 week ago
@sctt1979 Suggest you make a formal complaint to provider. Then when they a) keep you waiting 8 weeks + for a reply or whitewash your compalint. You can then take to the Independent Case Examiner (ICE). If ICE uphold you complaint - even partly - the provider has to cough up £5k.
edinburghrr 1 week ago
I dont see why they have a legal right to your phone number any way,can some one confirm this? as i totally agree with the postal method.I know there are laws under the telecommunications acy for harrassment etc and as we all know this is heading in that direction with al the mandatory crap the torys are bashing everyone with.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
@Drumthunder99 If the jobcentre have your phone number, that will have been passed onto the provider when you had been referred to them. My understanding is that you can choose how you wish the provider to contact you: letter, phone or email. But you should check the work programme booklet/customer charter issued to you by the provider to make sure.
edinburghrr 1 week ago
@edinburghrr Did they have a right to do this if you never gave consent in the 1st place, i didnt have to sign anything before i was put on the WP ive heard some people were.
Thanks for the tip on provider charter etc ,will be having a look.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
@Drumthunder99 The DWP claim they do not need a claimant's permission to pass on their details to a provider because the provider is carrying out work on behalf of the DWP. I know I'm always saying this - but short of a legal challenge it will be difficult to prove.
I also heard that that some .jobcentres were asking permission. But don't know if that was for wp or something else. Which shouldn't make any difference anyway.. .
edinburghrr 1 week ago
@edinburghrr this all sounds very hit and miss when you read through the data protection laws,again this goverment seem to think that bashing the unemployed every chance they get seems to distract everyone from what they are really upto"nothing"lol. Do you know how that woman is getting on with her legal challenge about forced work trial,mandatory work activity etc.Surely if the goverment have now u turned on sanctions for workfare they must on the WORKPROGRAMME.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
@Drumthunder99 Exactly, the same private sector providers who failed miserably with New Deal and FND. They are nothing but snake oil salesmen. And our government put their faith in them and gave them millions £ of taxpayers money. Even the Daily Mail has finally woken up to the reality!
edinburghrr 1 week ago
@Drumthunder99 I haven't heard anything about the Cait Reilly case. I'd imagine it will take months rather than weeks. And if she wins her case - which we all hope - it should put the kybosh on all these slave labour schemes.
No doubt the government would try and argue they need to keep some sanctions for some schemes. But let's hope they do a U turn on the rest.
edinburghrr 1 week ago
@edinburghrr Wouldnt it be great for the liitle person in the street for once wont be bullied into this slave mentality.Seems i may have a serious problem,only comment please if you or anyone is 100% correct with this,data forms,i didnt sign,have it writing from them why i didnt.Problem is i was douped into letting them toy with my cv and said it was ok to change this and that,by doing this i wasnt giving them consent to sell my data or labour to the whole of the uk, have i ?
Drumthunder99 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Drumthunder99 if so,what letter do i fire at them when i see them in a few wks time. Any advice most appreciated.Seems they may have caught me sleeping,its now obvious as to why they were paying such a unhealthy amount of attention to my cv.Do i need to withdraw consent ? Anyone know what passes in a legal way as giving consent on the lines of what they want that data for.?
Drumthunder99 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Drumthunder99 If you already given consent, you need to withdaw it ASAP. make sure you get confirmation in writing that you have withdrawn consent.
Just write a letter saying ' I wish to withdraw my consent allowing you to share my personal information with third-parties". "Please confirm in writing when this has been done"
edinburghrr 1 week ago
@edinburghrr Many thanks,
@edinburghrr didnt give my consent on data forms,what s worryingh me is that they have mycv and have edited it a few wks after starting the programme with my consent to change,i did not at any stage they could then go on an use this data exclusive to them sharks! just dont want to get screwed over by them.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
@Drumthunder99 Absolutely, but more claimants need to be prepared to stand up for themselves. There's still a few parts of the country that has claimant groups who provide help and support. Besides Edinburgh, there's Brighton, Derbyshire, Newcastle and several groups in London.
edinburghrr 1 week ago
@Drumthunder99 have just read the 100 pages + on the data principles etc,this is a very grey area .really hope i havent stuffed my self here.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Drumthunder99 I was asked about my cv too and as with the question of confirming to them my telephone no., this would be consenting and therefore re-entering into the the agreement, which as you all know i declined. So by agreeing to them altering your cv surely this would be again consent. I should them my cv, which had only my name on the top and NO contact details. I was at the Jobcentre Monday and she checked my job card, to which she replied "you have done all these searches yourself?"
scrumshies 5 days ago
@scrumshies cont., I replied " well you dont think WL did it and as you are aware it is a JSA requirement that these cards are filled out as proof of the effort that you a job seeker is making. She was surprised that i was doing it without their help, so why the F..K am i referred to a programme that clearly cant function at the basic level, they are supposedly doing for their clients! Its a total shambles,worked since i left school and paid off then told i need work experience. Dont figure!
scrumshies 5 days ago
@scrumshies cont., sorry meant to say worked for 20 years since leaving school................. then i still need work experience.......what a load of shite!
scrumshies 5 days ago
@scrumshies how long have you been on the slave programme, how the fck can they say you need work experience.If you read through all the providers a2z of what they can and cant ask you to do it says something that they have to find it a reasonable request to send you on work experience,and that is initiated 1st by the JC staff,you can argue your case easily,what part of 20years work dont they understand.lol
Drumthunder99 5 days ago
@Drumthunder99 Hi and sorry for a late reply to your comments, kids an all that entails.
I think the issue here guys is forget the politics involved in these schemes and the billions its supposed to either create or cost, the real problem with the economy is that tax payers cant sustain the ever increasing social cost of the welfare system. And the main money drain is the child tax credit system. Example a teenager at 16 has her 1st child and by 19 she's had the 3rd,
scrumshies 4 days ago
@scrumshies cont, so by the present system she is now entitled to social funding upto £35k a year(single parent). And thats a fact.I'm sure Bevin in his original draft of the welfare/national insurance he didnt figure that teenagers in 60+ years later would be claiming" i know my rights" and "i know what i'm entitled to". Sorry since when did people who have never provided the system with their taxes would be entitled to a life of luxury at the expense of those who do!
scrumshies 4 days ago
@scrumshies cont. Lets not forget the number of families which will fall into this catagory and they are definately not the minority. I have worked for 20 years and paid all the way especially for child care while i was working, leaving very little. A true story one day i went to pick my child up at nursery(private run) and i noticed that his wee new friend both of which had the snot caked to their faces. At this point his father arrived stinking of drink and a bottle of buckfast in his pocket
scrumshies 4 days ago
@scrumshies cont. He splurted out "great big man int it, ear awe week fur a tenner" Ofcourse i nearly fell over not with the smell of drink but hey it was costing me £150 for half days and my kid had no better a service than his, remember the snot. I exclaimed loudly to the owner who replied they are private but have certain numbers to fill at the subsidised level. So if unemployed and registered an alcoholic you can get nearly free child care! WTF is wrong which these politicians.
scrumshies 4 days ago
@scrumshies cont. I'm not pretending to know the answers, hey i hope i dont come across as a crusading saint either, but if the system benefits a portion of society more than the other than, then is this not morally wrong. I thought utilitarianism meant that all better as a whole than the one,Democracy! Lets not forget politician and the expense scandal get a silly slap on the wraist and if you or i get caught of fraud, never mind defrauding the government, you would be doing serious porridge.
scrumshies 4 days ago
@scrumshies Goverment always seems capable of spending millions on the military or bailing the bankers or lining there own pockets.....We pay into a system and thus get benefits when we need em....i guess you agree with the privatisation of the nhs as well? infact i query why you are on this page as your spamming comments are complete brainwashed drivel...ps no need to reply
TheWolfmoon21 3 days ago
@TheWolfmoon21 WTF where on my so called spams did i say i agreed with the government on anything and brainwashed, hey if you had a brain you could see what i said. And further to your comment about agreeing with the privatisation of the nhs, well my partner is an nhs employee and no WE DONT agree with the ongoing capitalist manipulation of what bevin and his like had dreamed for the social welfare of the people. So what ever you thought i said you couldnt be more wrong. No need to reply ditto
scrumshies 3 days ago
@scrumshies Every uk person has a right to benefits no matter what demonising or petty perspectives people have because we have descendants who fought and died for our rights and whom payed into this system.
TheWolfmoon21 3 days ago
@TheWolfmoon21 I whole heartedly agree with the rights afford to people by the very struggles enjoured over histories socialist development, from the middle ages to present day. But sorry i take exception to the referral to demonising and petty perspectives, personal experience of 20 years work,paying my dues, there seems to be a glaring unfairness of the benefit system, whereby it pays not to work i.e irresponsible single parents and why should the tax payer on minium wage be worse off !
scrumshies 3 days ago
@scrumshies I do understand what you are saying concerning certain groups of people in uk society.....and you are correct that i did misread your other comments so i am sorry for getting off on the wrong foot.
TheWolfmoon21 3 days ago
@TheWolfmoon21 CHEERS and for a moment i had to reread my posts to check again LOL Its true "divide them and they will fall" We all spend time, as you rightly pointed out, casting aspersions on other elements of society, like our decendants not demanding more rights, but making sure there are laws and accountability for those in positions of power, who all too often abuse this trust, politicians and their prep school flunky pals, all those CEOs.
scrumshies 3 days ago
@scrumshies i know what you mean,they just dont know what to do with the overflow of people,i was over at the WP a few wks ago and they said its getting real busy.Its just going to be like new deal a total waste of time and billions of tax payers money.Grayling and smith are totally bloody useless.We are just numbers to them if they get lucky plcing us in a dead end job,they get paid.Think they will go bust 1st though.
Drumthunder99 5 days ago
@scrumshies i see what your saying,but if this came down to a legal challenge tribunal etc it wouldnt wash,just because someone who is supposedly a cv advisor edits your cv on that particular day dosent give them sole right of ownership of that data.They may think thats the case but i am sure the information commisioners office would have a diferent view.
Drumthunder99 5 days ago
@drumthunder99 Govt 'Drops Sanctions Against Jobseekers'
but still leaves sanctions on the Work Programme still much
to fight for yet
sctt1979 1 week ago
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@sctt1979 i think this is the next staep for the media to be given the info regarding this,i dont see how they can have one rule for one and not another.
just seen you r other post states "Govt 'Drops Sanctions Against Jobseekers' is that for all us on the slave programme?
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
@Drumthunder99 ok sorry didnt read correct,anyone with any ideas to get the ball rolling on this.the actual work programme seems to be overlooked with sanctions and i am wondering why.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
Govt 'Drops Sanctions Against Jobseekers'
sctt1979 1 week ago
cont....
I made known my disgust at the discrimination being shown when there is a profit to be made
with older workers and the disabled i think she now knows where i stand on this whole scheme we shall see what happens in the coming days and weeks
sctt1979 1 week ago
@sctt1979 well done sctt1979,see my post above.I think this also comes under discrimination as to how workfair and the work programme are being operated.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
my adviser tells me today I will be seen every 2wks and I must e-mail her a list of every job I have applied for. also I have been told not to do a job search at home on the day my appointment
with working links I must carry it out on there computers? I have also been told I am in a ready to work category was told I could have vouchers for clothes because I was worth spending money on she all but said she parks and dumps the no hoper's not worth there
time she said I hate this scheme
sctt1979 1 week ago
@sctt1979 Hi There and if you have been following me well i had my 2nd appointment yesterday, where upon i was told the next stage, they'll work out my suitability for work have my cv ready, ect. Then i handed him my consent request for my information to be removed from the system. I insisted it was signed by him as a reciept he'd recieved and entered it into the system, which he did. After this he asked if I would confirm my telephone no., so he could contact me with my next appointment.....
scrumshies 1 week ago
@scrumshies cont,so i asked him by confirming my telephone no., would this then infer that i was consenting and entering then into their agreement....No response, so I said any further communication by Working links must now be done in WRITING, which he reluctantly agreed.........Stand FIRM everbody and dont consent and as with the latest developments today, this work programme is on very shakey ground and will now have to be readdressed by the fuckwits that thought it up in the first place!
scrumshies 1 week ago
@scrumshies well done I didn't sign the consent either it makes no sense to withhold your phone number or contact details your now in control of CV and your
documents they cant do a thing without calling you first also they already have your
contact details on file which the job centre sent over when you were referred its not
a get out of WP card by not signing remember that your just keeping control and maybe making it harder for them to wk the scheme
sctt1979 1 week ago
@sctt1979 Even though the Jobcentre will av passed on yr 4n number 2 these Providers u still av 2 confirm that the number is yrs as DWP guidance 2 Providers clearly state that any information they hold about a claimant is correct and up 2 date. So even if they av yr number - if you rufuse 2 confirm its up2 date they cant contact u by phone. And trust me, not giving them yr number is the best thing 2 do as it slows everything down 2 a snails pace when they av 2 keep contacting u by post
deborah8576 1 week ago
@scrumshies i cant see by confirmation of a telephone number is a binding agreement to consent,if you want them to be contacting you by post then its tough crap on them,they will hav to get writing,mine are going to be stuffed as i cant afford my mobile bill anymore.Oh dear!
Really glad you showed some backbone to these money shark providers.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
@Drumthunder99 forgot to add its on the way out being nearly 5 yrs old,maybe they can give me a new one in my un insured flat.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
The are harrassing to people to sign papers when they get a job. People who have not even had their first interview with them. They are trying to claim this as a job outcome when the person has found work themselves. I would say this is defrauding the taxpayer.
jgsouter 1 week ago
@jgsouter just look at the tactics of a4e in the news.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
@jgsouter Please name the provider
edinburghrr 1 week ago
@jgsouter It most absolutely is, and they are are also discriminating against them now taking into account what grayling said the other day that all on work fare will not lose out by sanctions if they pull out after a week ,yet on the workprogramme for 24+ age group i think that little game of his still stands.?
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
mandatory activity under the work programme,is it compulsory? what is it? anyone know.
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
@Drumthunder99 It's in Chapter 3 of the Work Programme Provider Guidance - under Action Planning. I can paste the link in here, but if you google "work programme provider guidance" you should find it. Let me know if you can't.
edinburghrr 1 week ago
@edinburghrr cheers ive found it and going to read it back to front.lol
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
Join Unite as a trainee (£12 a year sub if youve been duped onto these schemes) - free legal advice and representation at the jobcentre
iBeep2009 2 weeks ago
@iBeep2009 will do, that sounds an excellent deal and i am taking a guess that they will be real busy soon.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
Rule britannia - britons never never never will be slaves - hasnt IDS ever heard of this song?
iBeep2009 2 weeks ago
@iBeep2009 he is deaf and got blinkers on.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
The Guardian... 'Emma Harrison, the prime minister's former family tsar who quit amid allegations of "fat cat" pay and fraud, received around £1.7m over two years from leasing out properties, including her family stately home, to the firm she built on the back of state-funded welfare-to-work programmes.'.... WTF! Renting out her tax payer bought home, to the tax payer! That fucking bitch needs to burn on a stake. The fucking boggle eyed cunt makes me sick.
fcuka4e 2 weeks ago 6
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deborah8576 2 weeks ago
@fcuka4e I know, just when you thought Emma Harrison couldn't possibly be any more disgusting, she goes and pulls it out the bag yet again...
deborah8576 2 weeks ago
@fcuka4e I'd need diving equipment to sink to her level!
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago 4
@fcuka4e The Department of Work and Pensions, it emerged, has exempted private companies in the Work Programme from inspections by Ofsted, the standards body that previously inspected companies involved in welfare and training.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@fcuka4e is this right, grayling has now said anyone pulling out of the workfair scheme aged 16-24 while doing a work trial activity etc wont have sanctions applied ?
If so what about everyone else above the age of 24.on the work programme.Is there something really special about the application of sanctions on people via the WP as oppossed to workfair?
Drumthunder99 1 week ago
@edinburghrr good on you ram,and i hope you make it crystal clear to the journalist that despite that hal wit chris grayling banging on to the genral public that the negative vibes with the WP is being done in his words"by a few internet activists" tell themto do some research on the precentage of positive outcomes of any good regarding this crap,i have it down at 90% neg.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@Drumthunder99 The piece they intend to publish will be very short. I sent the journalist over 50 pages of docs - including emails and DWP and A4e docs that I had scanned. Still, it's better than no publicity. And with the media feeding frenzy going on perhaps another paper will be interested in doing a longer piece on my A4e work programme story.
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago
@edinburghrr wish you good luck with that, i dont see why the unemployed should be getting totally shafted by this goverment for their own incapabilities of bringing enough jobs to the economy,not that any goverment could with the state of things,but they all should shut up and admit we are in total crap and its most definitely not the fault of someone claiming jsa etc. They need to wake up and try shafting the banks instead.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@Drumthunder99 Thanks. You should watch Max Keiser (Keiser Report) on RT. If you don't mind a loud straight talking American. He's called for the public execution of bankers, he used to work on Wall Street, so he knows all about the dodgy dealings of bankers. And he's always slagging off Cameron.
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago
@edinburghrr LOL loved that!
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@edinburghrr Let's hope this article will be the straw that breaks the camels back! Hope you gave those fuckers at a4e hell.
fcuka4e 2 weeks ago
@fcuka4e It will certainly help. And there are more stories about how badly A4e treat their clients coming out too. I now have several journalist contacts. So If you have a story, or know someone that does - let me know.
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago
@edinburghrr it would be great if the media could study the lack of effectivness the overall stratedgy of the work programme is having,like sitting in a room doing mindless cv s and interview techniques,ive done a 100 so think i am ok.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@edinburghrr great stuff :)
deborah8576 2 weeks ago
Just wanna ask everyone 2 check out the video ''A4e is an absolute outrage''. The guy in the video is brilliant (and very entertaining! lol) He expresses the disgust and rage that most claimants who have suffered at the hands of those twats will feel (and i highly recommend his other videos 2)
deborah8576 2 weeks ago
@deborah8576 Thanks for that. I just watched it TWICE. It's great, he really sums up the anger and frustration we all feel.
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago
It seems Emma Harrison has just jumped the a4e ship. Let's hope all that loot she's thieved pulls her down to Davy Jones' locker.
fcuka4e 2 weeks ago
*** Chris Grayling told Evan Davis on the Today Progamme (BBC Radio 4) Fri 24 Feb - that unpaid work placements are ONLY compulsory for claimants on the Mandatory Work Activity (MWA) scheme. Looks as though we finally have a a definitive answer to the question many visitors have been asking!
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago
@edinburghrr Nice heads up edinburghrr.
fcuka4e 2 weeks ago
@edinburghrr Tonight 5 mins ago on news night bbc2 a tory minister says he thinks the work programme provides valuable inter personal skills experience when stacking shelves in tescos, does he want people to start having coversations with the tins.This goverment are a joke! They are so pig headed its incredible.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@Drumthunder99 "does he want people to start having coversations with the tins."
Yes
Because if that person is caught talking to tins, then that person is relocated to the funny farm which equals one less on the unemployment figures.
TheNickNaughty 2 weeks ago
@TheNickNaughty I once knew someone that used to comb the hairs on his legs. can you imagine him sat in the aisle at Poundland. The boss comes up and asks what he's doing. "I'm just coming my hair, guv".
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago
@Drumthunder99 Cheers, wanted to watch it but was too late. That's great, so now unpaid work experience improves your inter-personal skills. What will they come up with next.
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago
@edinburghrr there was also more of this on 5 live, they had a real arogant tory yank on there,if i couldve got inside the radio i would have hit him.lol
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@Drumthunder99 I listened 2 that as well. My blood pressure must av been thru the roof as i was listening 2 that prick. Hes the one that came up with this workfare shite in America - hes a right wing republican tea party bastard who wants the minimum wage 2 be scrapped so that the poor can be forced 2 shovel shit 4 10p a day. Hes an absolute knob head. And did you hear Miss f""king citric knickers Katie Hopkins on there as well? She needs that pig ugly face of hers smashing in lol
deborah8576 2 weeks ago
@deborah8576 Hi,
me too,sent me into a silent rage as i listened ,and your right that spoilt golden spoon brat made me puke.They are not or have ever been in the real world,although she says she has i would imagine this to be for a matter of weeks.As for the yank he would have us all in tent city if he had his way,these self rightoeous gits really do believe we are not entitled to a real living wage.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@Drumthunder99 think i need my spell checker on.lol
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@edinburghrr noted that.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
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streetmuggedbypolice 2 weeks ago
So it seems by the news that the fraud was from pocket public funds. I still remember vaguely the first time this sort of thing happened.
TheNickNaughty 2 weeks ago
Does anyone know if it is possible to amend my jsa agreement regarding consent to third party etc as i was told today that i have already given consent to dole through the jsa agreement concerning the work programme and that i cannot amend my agreement??
TheWolfmoon21 2 weeks ago
@TheWolfmoon21 That's a tricky one. The DWP claim they do not need your consent to share your info with a provider in regards to the work programme. I think they do, but it will be difficult to get anywhere with this unless you can find a solicitor to make a legal challlenge. Not sure if I have answered your question?
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago
@edinburghrr I am trying to find info regarding the jsa agreement in the jobseekers act but it is like i am being blocked from every page lol.....i am concerned that although i have a job seekers agreement i have certainly not agreed nor give consent regarding a work programme in that agreement but they are trying to use that agreement as my consent?? thus i am attempting to read the act to look for inconsistency in what i am being told
TheWolfmoon21 2 weeks ago
@TheWolfmoon21 All I can suggest is you put your question in writing to your local jobcentre asking which legislation they have used. Sorry I can't be of more help
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago
@edinburghrr its ok :) its like a minefield lol i got a meeting coming up with benefits adviser manager to discuss my concerns...i may phone them and ask them to bring the evidence wich contains my consent regarding there sharing of my personal info with 3rd parties....i know jsa directions means i have to do work programme however i will still refuse consent to provider etc
TheWolfmoon21 2 weeks ago
@edinburghrr Also i was told today that the work programme does not force you too do unpaid work and that it is voluntary and depends upon what you agree in the action plan drawn up between you and the provider...well that is what the dole people said today anyway lol
TheWolfmoon21 2 weeks ago
@TheWolfmoon21 That sounds about right. But I would ask them to put it in writing.
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago
@TheWolfmoon21
action plan! whats that? havent been given one yet.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@Drumthunder99 is this to do with the original data consent forms which i didnt sign?
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@Drumthunder99 Action plan is like an agreed upon action between you and the provider...jus like the jsa agreement were certain things are agreed upon
TheWolfmoon21 2 weeks ago
@TheWolfmoon21 thanks for that,been reading some intersting stuff on this little game.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
Ive been allowed to sign time sheets in exchange for promising not to come in and drive them all mad, they will do absolutely anything to get paid, its just another bonus mad driven scam.
StigEtDump 2 weeks ago
@StigEtDump You mean blank timesheets? Which provider was this?
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago
Thanks for the video
The Tories and Fib Dems are evil in my opinion
They do not care about whose lives are ruined as long as it isn't theirs
The sooner they and workfare can be kicked into the long grass the better
Don't forget the thieving politicians are still claiming taxpayers money with their ever increasing expenses and the John Lewis list
stephen48151 2 weeks ago
@stephen48151 Your welcome. You summed up the situation perfectly
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago
@stephen48151 Well said and so right you are.They are greedy buggers from planet mars.They are now trying to cover this up saying its all been some plan of a few activists,i would say the companies who are now pulling out daily,burger king tonight,are seeing the legal implications which they could face,people are not going to allow to be kicked at the expense of the goverment and thegreedy bankers who have caused this total fck up.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@Drumthunder99 I totally agree with you
Chris Grayling is trying to justify the unjustifiable which just goes to show The Nasty Party are now on the ropes with Workfare and they know it!
Workfare is the new name for Slave Labour in the 21st Century
stephen48151 2 weeks ago
@stephen48151 I think by late summer this pile of shit will be in serious trouble,if the providers cant place people in poundland and anyother slave labour mentality company then they are going to go bust,mean time they have their own over heads staff wages to pay and the dole ques are going to get bigger.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@Drumthunder99 Good morning
It just gets worse Now Idiot Duncan Smith is Urging The Police To Crackdown on those who protest against Workfare
This smacks of desperation in my opinion
The sooner the Government can be brought to heel the better!
stephen48151 2 weeks ago
@stephen48151 thats bloody amazing!! iw will soon be a crminal offence to speak.
get these torys OUT
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
4 people who work for a4e have been arrested :)
deborah8576 2 weeks ago
@deborah8576 Yeah, I just saw it on the BBC site. Be interesting to see if they end up getting prosecuted. A4e always claim they're a victim of fraud by rogue staff. Let's see if A4e call for their prosecution?
edinburghrr 2 weeks ago
@edinburghrr Oh you just know what will end up happening, it'll just be blamed on a couple of ''rogue'' advisors and they'll come out with the usual bollocks that ''lessons have been learned'' blah blah blah...you know the rest. I just wish it was Emma Harrison herself that was arrested just for the pure humiliation lol....god i despise that woman, she's absolute scum
deborah8576 2 weeks ago
@deborah8576 i can hear it already,its enough to make you puke isnt it!
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@deborah8576 lol. I can almost hear the shredders at a4e's offices whirling away.
fcuka4e 2 weeks ago
@deborah8576 Best thing ive heard this week.
StigEtDump 2 weeks ago
This is a great video. But one drawback I see is that if you antagonise these organisation-and by deneying them their wad by refusing to sign is certainly goin to antagonise them-then they might decide to treat you as a serious trouble maker and you could end up finding yourself being sent by them to every shitty useless job they can find to send you to. Whereas if you play ball they just might not get on your case. Of course it's everyone's choice what they decide 2 do -re signing or not anyway
streetmuggedbypolice 2 weeks ago
@streetmuggedbypolice you would have to consent through the providers action plan for them to start sending you to jobs
TheWolfmoon21 2 weeks ago
I'm having trouble trying to understand something.
Workplacement, 30 hours, no pay, on new deal. Your not on unemployment but in training, the provider pays your benefit, in a dodgy method.
Workplacement, 30 hours, no pay, on the work programme, your still unemployed and visiting the JC, I am guessing.
The thing I don't get is 16+ hours education or work, not entitled to JSA, so who is paying the benefit when on work placement now.
TheNickNaughty 2 weeks ago
ask the job centre to photocopy it for you,waste their ink and paper.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
my adviser wants me to bring my job-log with me next week I though it was only for showing
the JC staff my efforts in looking for work I think I am going to question this at the JC on Monday
before I hand anything over
sctt1979 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@sctt1979 "my adviser wants me to bring my job-log with me next week I though it was only for showing"
Isn't that property of Jobcentre.
There is a bullet point. Show that you are actively seeking employment. You must show that you were actively seeking employment in each week covered by your Labour Market Declaration.
I would guess that the last part means jobcentre and not the work programme provider.
TheNickNaughty 2 weeks ago
@sctt1979 Also at the bottom on the job log page "Looking for work" it does say.
Part of the Department for Work and Pensions.
TheNickNaughty 2 weeks ago
@TheNickNaughty yeah I am defo going to enquire about this Working Links have no business with my job log the thing is the jobcentre Havant been signing the bottom of each fortnight on my joblog now fow at least 2mnths i am definitely suspicious
sctt1979 2 weeks ago
@sctt1979 I honestly now think that the WP are now dealing with the job logs I think that is why your dole card is highlighted with WP so as to save them not checking another
way of the WP sanctioning you if they think your not doing enough Christ we are all walking in a mine field only the nasty Tory gov. would come up with such a pre-loaded scheme
sctt1979 2 weeks ago
@sctt1979 They still check my card at the JC.
scrumshies 2 weeks ago
A4e visited by police today...
smeejit 3 weeks ago
@smeejit The police are more than welcome to borrow my cosh to asist their interrogation.
edinburghrr 3 weeks ago
@smeejit
seems like tescos are pulling out from WORKPROGAMME"Huge clap for them" will still be shopping there then.
Drumthunder99 2 weeks ago
@Drumthunder99 That sounds v positive news. What is your source? I can always do a search engine search for Tesco pulling out of Workfare program.
streetmuggedbypolice 2 weeks ago
My i2i work programme advisor is a grotesquely ugly creep [I'm a woman] who puts on a clearly rehearsed act of "I know you are in despair, thinking you'll never get a job again but worry no more I am a knight in shining armour of Prince Ian Duncan." And he scratched his balls in front of me.
LLydarth 3 weeks ago
@LLydarth Perhaps the scratching of his balls is his idea of making a pass. I would have been tempted to laugh if I'd got a speech like that. No doubt he'll tell you about the hidden job market at some point, and how there their really are plenty of jobs out there.
edinburghrr 3 weeks ago
@edinburghrr Well he didn't literally say that but it was strongly implied by his hinting that the company knew the hidden job market + was absolutely garanteed to get me a job. At the point where he scratched his balls I found it hard not to laugh. It was one of those times when a cringeworthy situation gets worse + suddenly becomes funny. Also found it hard to laugh when another advisor told us we would be more likely to find work if we got more interviews.
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@LLydarth Don't stand too close to him. Could have balls lice.
streetmuggedbypolice 2 weeks ago
a4e are a truly disturbing company - the truth is waiting to come out - and if I can facilitate that I will be more than happy.
nfcpro 3 weeks ago 3
@nfcpro Thats the attitude we need,get rid of these scum bag shark providers along with DS and CG
Drumthunder99 3 weeks ago
@nfcpro Even The Daily Mail has turned against them!
edinburghrr 3 weeks ago