Interesting that you are making a living off of condemning a religion that you chose not to believe in. I have many friends who are LDS. None of them behave as you say. It appears to be a church that isn't for weak people--maybe that's your issue? I've wasted my time watching your videos. May God forgive you.
I can answer the question without wastin my time. Shawn left the Church because he lost it. Obviously he never researched his faith well enough. Being a Seminary teacher deosn't make anybody excempt from sin or apostasy. Now you know the answer. Thanks for asking!
People can leave the church, but they can't leave it alone. Whether its right or wrong, don't you have anything else to do? Just walk away and be done. I'll bet you'll delete this message.
The Bible says in the book of Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God". We're all sinners, but we are save thru faith in Jesus Christ if just ask him into our lives to forgive us of our sins and cleanse our hearts.
I'm not sure what the fixation is to one principal. Jesus did not teach faith only... He taught hard work... he gave an example of hard work and told us to take his yoke upon ourselves. Yes we all have falled short... the good news is we can pick ourselves up and keep going as Jesus paid the price of our short comings.
@BeInnocuous When we are spirtually lost, we have burdens on us do to sin, Jesus said cast your burdens on his, for he said his yoke is easy and his burden is light. You got it all wrong, stop trying to earn your salvation cause you cannot. Jesus paid for it on the cross, all we have to do is accept his gift of salvation, why do you refuse to blelieve the truth? Why are you so blind? You need to take Shawn's example and get out of bondage of mormonism, cause you are in spirtual bondage my friend
His burden and yoke is light as it is free from sin. But please show me where I'm trying to earn my salvation? All I'm trying to do is follow the example that Christ gave us... not deny it because we can not be perfect or free from sin. We can and are thought the Atonement of Christ. You might not accept that but that just means you have not be born again.
Blind is denying the plain words of Christ in John 15:12-14
Spiritual bondage? Is that why you guys believe you are dirty rags? I'm free from all bondage as I look to my God. You can keep your dirty rages and your dire outlook. I have a new outlook on life... you should get it too.
@BeInnocuous you and your dirty rags! Romans 1:20 For the invisible things, of him from creation of the world they are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead So they are without excuse. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they become fools,) #1
#2 If if you profess Christ as your Savior, king, God, why do you need Joesph Smiths teachings ? Don't the scriptures say there is one God?John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.) When did Jesus become less than that ? Who would try and take deity from the Christ and make him equals with Satan and ourselves, other than so called 1st born birth right ? Who would like us all to be so blinded by a false sense of pride? # 2
# 3 Makes it a lot easier to spit on God when you think you can control him by what you do don't it ? That's why Joesph came up with D&C Makes you think you have the power to control God by covenants. Made from the mind of a man that wasinterested in women, money, power there is nothing God like in Joesph teaching's! Save what he stole from the Bible even it's errors, which a real prophet sent to correct thing's would have known. My Living God is wiser than your dead prophet and his filthy rags!
In this dispensation, the Lds Prophet (President, who claimed he wont lead members astray) is spending three BILLION dollars of Gods money on a shopping mall instead of helping the hungry poverty stricken families!
I'm glad Shawn admits this. I think his issues have been mental and how he perceives things. There are many LDS who feel the same way, but don't feel the need to leave the faith because of it. Much of what he says is still harmonious with LDS belief.
@testskriftene So what you're saying is that you had church disciplinary problems, got offended and found another way.... You know who else found another way? the apostates of the early Christian church. 2 Peter 3:14-18. You are WRONG Shawn. And the heart of the matter is, it is time you admit it. There is NO other way. Christ is the path and you have strayed dragging many souls down with you. You are deceptive and if you don't repent, you will recieve a just recompense for your actions. peace.
@TheSoulamore You need a review of the doctrine of Christ. He spent his entire ministry calling people to repentance. Then made it effective through His Atonement. Christ is the way.. so how do you access Christ? do you confess Christ once and ouila! you're saved? That's not biblical. Read the scripture I mentioned above. Christ commanded ALL to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. I'd be happy to further detail the flaws in the "all grace, no works" philosophy. if you'd like .
@rambojoe2323 Love it! Shawn outright admitted to sexual deviance and prided himself in it. What's with ex-mormons and not being able to keep their pants on and their hands away from their genitals? Must be in the water.
@Spacesamurai500: Statistically, there are more convicted sexual predators (30) living within a 1 mile radius - only 10 minutes from BYU - than in Harlem, NY or Watts, CA. Provo-Orem is roughly 70% LDS. Just sayin'.
Latter day saints = modren day / a person of great holiness
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
according to your logic, technically your church is also a cult...started by John Smyth in the 1600's. you say mormons reject "historical christianity", when in fact, the protestants were the first to brake away from "historical christianity" aka catholicism. what you are suggesting is that if any churches' interpretation of the ancient text aka the bible, which has endured hundreds of translations over thousands of years, is not in exact accordance with your interpretation, theyre nonchristian.
God’s plan for us is simple to understand, but it takes a lifetime to follow. Following the plan of happiness is easier when we do the simple things, like reading the scriptures, going to church, praying, and serving others. Jesus Christ was the perfect example in following God's plan. It takes faith and works for us to be like Jesus, but it is worth it now and will be in eternity.
TO ALL LDS: 1.Read the Holy Bible 2.Swallow your righteous pride 3.Think deeply and meditate 4.Forget about your past bad doctrines 5.Let God be God 6.Accept we are sinners saved by grace 7.Embrace the cross of Christ 8.Ask Christ for wisdom and guidance 9. Don't think that we hate you 10.Don't claim as Christians
TO ALL LDS: 1.Read the Holy Bible 2.Swallow your righteous pride 3.Think deeply and meditate 4.Forget about your past bad doctrines 5.Let God be God 6.Accept we are sinners saved by grace 7.Embrace the cross of Christ 8.Ask Christ for wisdom and guidance 9. Don't think that we hate you 10.Don't claim as Christians
@darkestyousibug 1. Read the bible daily. Probably know it better than most mainstream christians. 2. Righteous Pride? How often are Mormons standing outside your buildings condemning YOU to hell. I believe the shoe is on the other foot. 3. We are very well versed in scripture and our doctrines. 4. Your doctrines of salvation by grace didn't exist until Martin Luther. 5. We do, and we don't play his judge like born agains who tell us we're going to hell. 6. I agree, Jesus is the way
@darkestyousibug 7. I embrace his life and resurrection, not his death. His victory. 8. I do every day and I love him for all the great wisdom he gives, including praying what is true and what is not. 9. You're whole religion has shown me nothing but hate for years. If you don't hate us show it by sharing your own faith to convert instead of putting ours down. 10. We are true christians, born agains are not. "By their fruits ye shall know them." The westboro baptists are no different than you.
@Spacesamurai500 Your doctrines and occult practices doesn't say so. You can't love God with your insane doctrines. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.(1 Cor. 13:4) You can't love God with this false doctrines. These are all LIES. And you can't glorify the name of God in lies. And guess what. We don't have any part on our salvation. Im afraid you are not well versed enough to defend your doctrine my friend. We don't condem you you are going to hell. ..
Like the false doctrines of grace alone (Bible says grace through faith and faith requires obedience and works), rapture (Bible says God is no respecter of persons and that when the Anti-Christ comes believes will flee to the mountains not get a free pass for good behavior, we meet up in the air to join Christ while he returns not to escape our final trial of faith), infant baptisms (nowhere in the Bible is baptizing infants taught or recorded, Christ blessed the children)
@Spacesamurai500 By not condemning others going to hell doesn't mean you don't have this righteous pride. Guess what, I know you really try to be righteous and become holified to be future Gods which can stay in celestial kingdom and have this so called endless celestial sex with goddess, what a God-glorifying doctrine. And another thing? when we speak you wrong doings, instead of defending your faith, you bash back our own faith but sorry, if we are on the same cause, ders no need to bash ours
@darkestyousibug 1. Read it every day 2. Never had it in the first place 3. That's how I came to accept the truth of the Restored Gospel 4. I had to accept the truth's that the Bible teaches of a falling away into a Great Apostasy 5. I do 6. I know that I am a sinner and that grace through faith alone brings exaltation, I also know that faith without works is dead 7. I refuse to embrace an idol, the Bible forbids cross worshiping 8. I do 9. I don't 10, I shall always proclaim to be Christ's
Funny how CERTAIN (cults) churches freak and diown you if you leave a 'church'...couch a 'cult.' Real Christian normal churches...don't disown you, they may call you and ask you to come back because they care but they are still your family and friends. That is one of the top signs and warnings that you're in a cult. Google it.
@darthspeaks For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8&9
@darthspeaks Your quote got me. "I think he sinned ". Yep, he probably did. And so did you. And so did Shawn and so did I. According to God you did too. Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" If you think otherwise then you just called God a liar. Please keep you little Cult up in Utah and take the name of Jesus off your signs and you will be much happier. Until the Judgement that is.
Howard W. Hunter "Joseph Smith's...truthfulness...that he saw the Father and the Son... to the reality of that divine revelation. He was..to reestablish the true and living church, restored...as it existed in the day of the Savior's own mortal ministry...he said: 'I understand my mission and business. God Almighty is my shield; and what can man do if God is my friend? I shall not be sacrificed until my time comes; then I shall be offered freely'
Why was Joseph Smith persecuted? Why was he hunted from neighborhood to neighborhood, from city to city, and from State to State, and at last suffered death? Because he received revelations from the Father, from the Son, and was ministered to by holy angels, and published to the world the direct will of the Lord concerning his children on the earth. BRIGHAM YOUNG
Christianity today believes in the God of Plato, NeoPlatoism came about by Plato declaring there was only three things that could exist forever BEAUTY, TRUTH and GOOD. He later taught these were "THE ONE" or "THE DEVINE". 425 yrs later the Sadducees and Pharisiees followed this creed. God, Jesus?, They had no bodies, "kill him"! they said. Philosophers after Jesus influenced what was written in the Bible, giving "The Devine One" precident. Niacea sealed it, God and Christ were JUSTa SPIRIT!
@scottwins2: Plato didn't say Beauty, Truth, and Goodness were the ONLY things that could exist forever. Plato believed there was a unitary SOURCE of truth, beauty and goodness. He envisioned an eternal realm that he called the "Forms". At the apex of the Forms was a supreme Form. It didn't necessitate "God", and could have been a "force" or a general exposure to "enlightenment". Sounds more like LDS "Eternal Progression" than Christianity - and Plato believed in a Pre-Existence, as Mormons do.
Christianity today believes in the God of Plato, NeoPlatoism came about with Plato declaring there was only three things that could exist BEAUTY, TRUTH, GOOD. He then brouht those together into THE ONE or THE DEVINE. Later the Saducees and Pharisiees defied Christ for this belief. God? Jesus?, God had no body. Philosophers after Christ influenced the bringing about the Bible, giving the Devine One precident. Then Niacea where it was sealed God was JUST a spirit
How great indeed is our debt to [Joseph Smith]... It was he who brought us a true knowledge of God the Eternal Father and His Risen Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. During the short time of his great vision he learned more concerning the nature of Deity than all of those who through centuries had argued that matter in learned councils and scholarly forums. Gordaon B. Hinkley
@scottwins2: Neither Jesus Christ nor the Apostle Paul seem to agree with you.
MATTHEW 24:
"And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one DECEIVES you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many . . . Then many FALSE PROPHETS will rise up and deceive many".
GALATIANS 1: "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL to you than what we have preached to you, let him be ACCURSED".
@scottwins2; Matthew 5:17 says, the "Prophets" were fulfilled in Jesus.
Matthew 11:13 "For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John (the Baptist)".
So, no more "Prophets". Do Christians at times have prophetic words for the Church - from God? Yes. But the OFFICE of Prophet was fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Amos calls the Prophets "God's Servants". Jesus says "I no longer call you servants - but friends". So who is greater - the Prophets (Servants) - or Christians (Jesus' Friends)?
@scottwins2: Did you consider Galatians 1? There is no doubt Joseph Smith came preaching a different gospel than Jesus and the Apostles. He contradicts the scriptures. That alone makes him a False Prophet. He claimed there was a Great Apostasy and the Bible was corrupted. IF this were true - the New Testament would not be the fulfillment of the Old Testament. Yet, we find they work in perfect harmony - especially when it comes to who GOD is, who JESUS is, and the ospel of Salvation by Grace.
@TubeNumber1USA Your ministers taught ou well. Actually there was a falling away, 2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed..., So please don't try to decieve me that there is no falling away.
@scottwins2: READ what you posted. The "Falling Away" happens when the Anti-Christ is revealed.. That hasn't happened yet. It appens at the End of Days - NOT in 80 AD! If you can't acknowledge the obvious in Psalm 82 - then discussing the Bible with you will be an exercise in futility. But, good luck to you.
@hammerogod I am sorry I can't pray to Jesus I pray to the Father who he prayed to in his name. I don't follow "The One" "The Devine" created for you by Plato. Christ has a body? I ask you? Then where is his body today? What place?
"And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. – John 14:13-14"
Who is speaking there?
That is who I pray to.
If Plato created something I will leave that between God and Plato.
@hammerogod Plato is your prophet and its sad youu don't even know it. yet Christ prays to the father, I am going to follow that prayer. Since you believe he and the Father are one if you are the modern day born again, Jesus would be a nut to pray for himself. You go ahead and pray to Jesus he and I will pray to the Father.
@scottwins2 I know who my Prophets are. Joseph Smith is not on the list, never will be. Jesus is seated in Heaven, in a body of flesh. God the Father gave all Power and Authority to Jesus and proclaimed that we should pray in the Name of the Son. If you are not praying in the Name of the Son you are just talking to the ceiling. You Utah Smithites need to get your story straight. One Mormon will say one thing and another Mormon says another. None of you make sense. Glad I'm not LDS.
@hammerogod Actually the Church body as a whole is very consistant. Evidently you don't know as much as you think you do. We just don't believe in the God Plato created for you whichGreek Culture influenced the New Testament into NIacea.About 900 yrs thats enough to mess things up a bit, Your One the Devine is Platos God. Neo Platoism lives to day I see.
@scottwins2: Just WISHING Joseph to be a True Prophet doesn't make it so. His words had to be in perfect alignment with the already written word of God. Joseph Smith taught OPPOSITE to the Bible. He says God is an exalted Man who BECAME a God. He says the same thing of Jesus Christ. And He claimed Mormons, through an alleged Law of Eternal Progression may be exalted to Godhood. ALL three of these contradict God's holy word. Since when does contradicting God make someone a TRUE Prophet?
@TubeNumber1USA I don't wish he a prophet I know. I can tell you this I don't pray to Jesus I pray to the Father he prayed to in his name since he is my advocate.
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are Gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
John 1:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
@scottwins2: I really appreciate your thoughtful responses. I'm going to ask you to please stay with me on what I'm about to show you. Something that concerns Christians like myself about Mormons, like yourself - is that you are being fed a lot of bad doctrines that the LDS Church supports using PARTS of Bible verses taken completely out of context. Psalm 82:6 is a perfect example. I request that you "forget" you've ever heard a teaching on it, and read PSALM 82 as if it were the first time.
@scottwins2: (Condensed for Space) PSALM 82:1-7 God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods”: “How long will you defend the unjust and show partiality to the wicked? . . . “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing. They walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken. “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.” . . . . .
@scottwins2: i trust you've now read Psalm 82, so let me ask you. Do these "gods" sound like what you've been taught MORMON Gods are suppose to be - knowing NOTHING, understanding NOTHING, walking about in DARKNESS?
I thought Mormon Gods were supposed to have achieved Exaltation, Wisdom, Holiness. I thought Mormon Gods were to be the ultimate in Righteousness. Yet, here Almighty God accuses them of showing favoritism to THE WICKED. Could it be these aren't really "Gods" after all?
@scottwins2: In truth - these are not Gods, as Mormons have been taught to believe. They are a collection of Judges. They are being admonished by Almighty God, because THEY are supposed to be His human representatives on Earth - and rule among the people - just as if HE was ruling . But, instead, they've become corrupt - showing partiality to the wicked and the unjust. God then tells them how he EXPECTS them to act - but the Judges just don't "get it"/ They know nothing. They understand nothing.
@scottwins2: They walk about in darkness. God warns them - You rule in MY authority on earth (sons of the Most High) - but I'll strike you down as any other mortal because of your wickedness.
THIS is why Jesus compares the equally-corrupt Pharisees to these wicked rulers in John 10:34. He is telling them - THIS is who you are. You are like the evil rulers of Psalm 82.
Reading it in context makes much more sense than believing Psalm 82 is saying you become a literal God, now, doesn't it?
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
@TubeNumber1USA i was thinking the same thing lol it seems sometimes useless 2share biblical truths to lds its like they dont care or dont believe the Bible its frustrating 2deal with them, they praise the man way more than the Creator.
Why was Joseph Smith persecuted? Why was he hunted from neighborhood to neighborhood, from city to city, and from State to State, and at last suffered death? Because he received revelations from the Father, from the Son, and was ministered to by holy angels, and published to the world the direct will of the Lord concerning his children on the earth. BRIGHAM YOUNG
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved." Joseph Smith Jr.
"I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope." Joseph Smith Jr.
@scottwins2: JOSEPH SMITH: "Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam . . . neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I." (History of the Church, Vol. 6, pg 408-09)
good for you.! you lost your salvation! bravo! if you sin, you accept your fault! we all sin, but most of us have the strenght and courage or nerve to repent and start over again. God let us do that. Why don't you take that chance before you are dead and you can not do it anymore. What a sad history, this one, isn't it?
Lots of southern racism. Ministries set up to do nothing more than ridicule someone else's faith. I'm sorry, I just don't see the Savior smiling on anything like what I see born agains do. It's a shame. Jesus preached the truth and invited people to follow. I don't ever remember him standing outside synagogues with signs, telling poor children they're going to hell(which born agains do at general conference). I'd suggest taking a long hard look at yourselves before mocking Mormons. You need help
@Spacesamurai500: How MANY born agains do that? I don't do that. I don't know ANYBODY who does that - and I live in SLC. There are 2 BILLION Christians - are you going to whitewash ALL of us for the rude behavior of 10 people? Well, THAT'S how many "anti" signs FAIR claims were outside the 2010 General Conference.
LDS doctrines are contrary to Christianity - yet Mormon missionaries go door to door claiming to be Christian. We have an obligation as Christians to expose the LDS deception.
We Christians find ourselves in a complicated position with the LDS. We care about their eternal destiny and try to show them the truth - but they've been taught to treat an attack on Jospeh Smith's substitute "Christian" doctrines - as a personal attack on themselves..
Another issue is Mormon missionaries go door to door claiming to be Christian. Yet, Mormonism is often ANYTHING but Christian. We are faced with having to warn people that "Becoming a Mormon God" is NOT a Christian teaching.
@TubeNumber1USA "I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope." Joseph Smith Jr.
Its the church of JESUS CHRIST of LATTER DAY SAINTS
@irishdancefreak1997: So, you think you're a Christian? Your answers to the following will reveal what you are:
Jesus promised, "My words will NEVER pass away". Joseph says Jesus' words have been corrupted through translation. Joseph is calling Jesus a LIAR. Who do YOU believe - Jesus or Joseph?
Jesus promised, "The Gates of Hell will not prevail against His church". Joseph says Jesus FAILED to hold His church together. Joseph is calling Jesus a LIAR. Who do YOU believe - Jesus or Joseph?
@TubeNumber1USA Your statement only makes sense if you are a Catholic. We can say anyone who believes a "reformation" was needed also believes Christ failed to keep his Church together. But Jesus never said that. Did Jesus fail because he died and was gone for 3 days before the resurrection? Not at all. Same for his Church.
@trencher7: Jesus never said WHAT? The LDS Church has NEVER said a mere "reformation justified Joseph Smith. They claimed a COMPLETE apostacy occurred and a COMPLETE removal of Christ's church from the earth. That simply never happened.
@TubeNumber1USA I think you missed my point. Yes, a restoration was needed and that is what LDS believe. I am saying that anyone who also believes a reformation was needed is also guilty of saying "Jesus failed and that he is a liar." I am just using your own words and logic. So if you are Catholic your comments make sense. Otherwise you believe in either a restoration or reformation was needed.
@trencher7: Jesus' church never fell into complete apostacy. His church is the sum total of all Believers. Joseph claimed a COMPLETE apostacy had occurred. This is not the case. The Catholic Church added their own rituals on top of Biblical truth - ie praying thru Mary and the Apostles. What Luther did was create a manifesto. When the church didn't act on his "suggestions"- the Protestant church movement began their own church homes. Jesus never came to start a monolithic religious organization.
@irishdancefreak1997: Is Jesus Christ the Almighty God? Was Father God once a man? Can a Mormon be exalted to become a God? Did Jesus Christ pay for ALL your sins - or only after all you can do? If your responses are: "No. Yes. Yes. After all I can do" - then you are no more a Christian than the man in the moon.
@TubeNumber1USA " "Becoming a Mormon God" is NOT a Christian teaching." Really? Who is the say all in what is a christian teaching and what isn't? As far as I see it, Born agains think anything that doesn't coincide with their doctrine not only makes those contrary believers not christian, but hell bound. How about we debate the facts of what is and isn't christian with the bible? I've spent hours with pastors and priests doing the same, and have yet to get any evidence.
@TubeNumber1USA You're also a little in denial if yo don't think born agains constantly behave just as I said. Go to general conference and have your eyes opened to the terrible and un-christian behavior of your born again brother and sisters.
@Spacesamurai500: I don't happen to agree with the people outside general conference. Does their behavior mean you paint all Christians with the same brush? That's just plan ignoarant - and may I say . . . uh, BIGOTTED. You aren't objecting to doctrine, and church history, as I do - YOU are attacking Christians. That's pretty lame.
@TubeNumber1USA How is your behavior any different? Show me a ministry that teaches Mormons are christians and brothers in Christ, that they aren't going to hell, and their beliefs and history shouldn't be attacked, and that said ministry will promote their own faith, and nothing more. Show me one damn born again church like that and I'll say differently.
@Spacesamurai500: Your leaders know Mormonism isn't Christianity. What makes a Mormon a Mormon? DOCTRINE. What makes a Christian a Christian? DOCTRINE. LDS refuse to teach Christian DOCTRINE - so they are NOT Christian. Period.
Are YOU a bigot? YOUR Church refuses to acknowledge Fundamentalist LDS - as Mormons. They believe Joseph Smith, the BoM, D&C, and PoGP. But they have one major doctrinal difference - Polygamy - which Joseph claimed in D&C 132 was an Everlastng Commandment from God!
Yes, we refuse to teach the man made doctrine that has corrupted the Church of Christ since the end of the ancient Apostleship almost 2 millennia ago.
We teach the truth of Christ's doctrine, not just the parts that the Pagan Constantine decided worked well enough for him to make his false state religion on and that the rest of Christendom and evolved from
@ViCe1986Not Constantine & the Council of Nicea again!
The NT was not a new gospel - but ancient promises of the Old Testament being FULFILLED in Jesus Christ. The NT doesn't add doctrines that weren't already taught or prophecied in the OT - nor does it subtract any. The books that weren't included - generally contained teaching, etc. not supported by previous scriptures.
Once the LDS convince you the Bible has been tampered with - THEY can get you to believe ANYTHING - and they do.
Fact Check, show the verse in D&C 132 that states polygamy is an eternal commandment. It does not exist, eternal marriage is an eternal covenant that has existed since the time of Adam.
The only verses referencing polygamy state that it is a temporary state to exists until further revelation is given and only to be used by calling of the President of the Church with consent to the current wife.
Stop your evil lies 132 has nothing to do with polygamy as an eternal covenant.
@ViCe1986: It says "everlasting covenant". Emma is ordered to abide by it or be destroyed. Prophet Brigham Young declared no Mormon who did not practice polygamy - would become a God. Fundamentalists interpret D&C 132 as I have.
Incidently, GOD didn't rescind polygamy. The Utah Territory did - as a prerequisite of being granted Statehood in 1896. Mormons are sealed to multiple wives in Celestial Marriage - and if they get the chance to overturn the law, they'll go right back to polygamy.
See you have to twist the section to fit you goals. Why not just read it please copy and past the verse from the D&C available online as lds.org that states plural marriage is an everlasting covenant. If you do I will immediately renounce the Church and submit my name to be removed from the records.
My membership is secure though cause there is no verse declaring this, 132 clearly states the everlasting covenant is eternal marriage, not plural marriage. CONT
The last 5 verses are the only mention of plural marriages, they set strict rules for it and require consent of the husband and wife AFTER being called by the President of the Church to take a second wife.
Also read clearly verse 66 it says that more will be revealed about plural marriage, fast forward to 1890. President Woodruff did reveal more at that time that the practice was to be ended infinitely. 132 is the Word of God, your "interpretation" about it are the problem,
@ViCe1986: It isn't the Word of God - but a very amatuerish imitation of King James religious-speak. If you are fluent in the Bible, it's clear how Joseph concocted the BoM - taking part of a verse, adding it to part of another verse - mixing them with his own doctrines. It's a giant patchwork of plagerized Bible verses and concepts from "A View Of The Hebrews", and Asa Wild's vision, published in the Wayne County Sentinel YEARS before Joseph first published his vision - in the same newspaper!.
@ViCe1986: What I read WAS from LDS.org. They are a primary source that I use. If I twisted D&C 132 - then, so did PROPHET Brigham Young!
My "goal" is to encourage Mormons to challenge what you've been taught. Joseph Smith's claims have been debunked from so many angles: Historical, Geological, Archeological, Linguistic, and DNA evidence - plus Bible Scripture. The only ones who won't listen to reason or hold Mormonism up to intense scrutiny - are Mormons! It's your eternal destiny at stake.
@Spacesamurai500: Please answer this: If a preponderance of evidence indicated the whole thing was a lie fabricated by Joseph Smith - and you had rested your eternal destiny on his claims - wouldn't you want somebody to warn you about it, and share the truth with you - even if it hurt your feelings?
If there was any credible evidence, I would know since I closely study the life of the Prophet as I build my testimony of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ that the Prophet was called to restore to the Earth.
Since 1820 the wisest men have tried to destroy the Prophet's name yet his legacy still stands bringing light and joy to the world.
Since 1830 the brightest scholars have attempted to destroy the BoM, yet it still stands bringing people to Christ this day! AMEN
@ViCe1986: I'll wonder if you would even consider The BIBLE to be credible evidence. Mormonism butchers the Bible left and right - and if anyone says. "Why does the BoM keep contradicting the Bible?" your stooges at the top have an answer for that: "Well, ya see - the, uh . . . the Bible was MISTRANSLATED - yeah THAT'S the ticket!"
It couldn't POSSIBLY be Joseph Smith was a lying conman - oh no, not Joseph. The only people who don't see the con - are those who CHOOSE to remain blind.
@ViCe1986: Joseph Smith brings NO joy to the world - he brings leg irons and shackles. He enslaves men and women to a life sentence of trying in vain to justifying themselves "worthy" of Salvation. What "joy" is there in THAT?
Jesus Christ shed his blood on the cross to set men FREE from bondage to sin's penalty - FREE from the curse of the Law.
Christians have REAL joy - the joy of knowing that while we were God's ENEMIES - Chrst died for us. We're saved TODAY - are you?
@TubeNumber1USA 10?! Are you freaking kidding me? Whole ministries are set up for nothing but bigotry. Shall I name a few? Calvary Chapel, Utah Lighthouse Ministries, Saints Alive Ministries...any of these ring a bell? Even you, "we have an obligation as christians to expose LDS deception" yeah? And how would Jesus do that? Would he be dress in our sacred clothes and mock us? Would he, be like Shawn, an adulterer who in the worst kind of hypocritical way, damn Mormons to hell?
@Spacesamurai500: Can't deal with the Truth, can you - so you accuse me of bigotry - when my ENTIRE argument is theat LDS doctrines are not Christian - so Mormonism is not Christian. YOUR church excludes Fundamentalist Mormons,doesn't it! Does that make YOU a bigot? Think about it, Gertrude.
@TubeNumber1USA What is your basis for what are "Christian beliefs" and what aren't? Are "Christian beliefs" only what agree with you? We aren't bigots to our Fundamentalist brothers and sisters, we disagree, but you won't see us preaching their eternal damnation in church. We disagree, but we don't preach against them, or anyone, we merely share the truth as Jesus did. What does your minister say about Fundamentalist Mormons?
@Spacesamurai500: My basis is The Bible. Strict adherence to Joseph Smith's teaching will not save anyone - it's a false gospel. But nobody has the authority to claim to KNOW someone is eternally damned. That's God's job. Our church of 500 is about 1/3 ex-LDS. Our pastor doesn't have to say a word about Mormonism - but he does address false doctrines, and often those doctrines are promoted by the LDS. BTW: Were you aware that LDS bishops.DO claim the authority to remove a member's salvation.
Please support your evidence that the Church claims a Bishop can remove someone's salvation? Excommunication is not removing someone's salvation, it is removing them from the blessings of membership in the Church and revoking there ordinances for serious transgressions and it is not a Bishop that does this but the unanimous vote of a disciplinary board called to decide the matter.
@ViCe1986: Before I can respond - I'll recheck my sources who claim they were threatened with losing their salvation for becoming born again.
Let me ask you this: Is it ONLY through Joseph Smith and the LDS Church that one may spend eternity with Heavenly Father in the Celestial Kingdom - or would I be welcomed in as a Born Again Christian? If "no" - why not.
@Spacesamurai500: You have NO understanding whatsoever - you've been DUPED by the LDS church. If you believe Calvary Chapel was set up to spread hatred of Mormons - then you don't know a damn thing about Calvary Chapel. It began as a HIPPY church to spread love and Jesus. UTLM: Sandra Tanner was RAISED Mormon. Saying she's bigotted against Mormons is like accusing Bill Cosby of hating black people - because he has taken THEM to task..
@TubeNumber1USA Sandra is not a Mormon anymore. If Bill Cosby could change his race and then hate blacks he'd be no better than Sandra Tanner. She is a bigot. Calvary Chapel members drove around in their cars and threw rocks at me, and were payed to bribe those investigating the Mormon church with gifts and money not to listen to the missionaries any more.
@Spacesamurai500: So, they drove around with neon signs flashing and bullhorns blasting, "Hey! We're from Calvary Chapel - so you'll know how to find us - and we're outnumbered by LDS in Utah by about 10.000 to 1 - but we want you to know we're throwing rocks at an innocent Mormon, so you can beat the crap out of us!"? Do you really expect us to buy that?
Paid to BRIBE people? Get serious. There are only 2,500 Calvary Chapel members in ALL of Utah. YOUR church is worth $50 BILLION.
@TubeNumber1USA You people are the worst, and the world is just starting to see it. The westboro baptists are no worse than all the other born to be bigot christians who act and talk just like you.
@Spacesamurai500: Yada, yada, yada. Get off the "hate" campaign and you might learn something. Last summer I met with a representative of the Church office in Temple Square. As it concerned a potential business deal between my company and the Church, it was necessary for him to disclose the approximate number of active LDS worldwide. I asked him if it was a little over 14 million - the publicized number. He smiled, and said "No, it's between 7 and 8 million active". "Worldwide?", I asked. "Yes".
I was about 7 or 8 years old when I first went to general conference and it freaked me out, outside the building there were people holding signs yelling things, telling me that I was going to burn in hell. Who tells a young child that they are going to hell, this guy shawn always says that mormons are evil and disrespect other churches, but I don't see any mormons standing outside other churches holding signs and yelling to the children that they are going to suffer in hell.
I could think of a lot of things better to do with any of your time. Study for college, enjoy time with friends and family. The thing I never get about you born agains is the hostility. Everything I've ever seen come from you is rudeness, sarcasm, and lots and lots of hostility. Look at Shawn, he's often sarcastic, he mocks, and name calls. It's like born again society is generations behind what a civilized society should be. It is a religion with a long history of hate. The KKK, southern
Anyone ever question why this poor guy can't seem to leave the church alone? Its so sad, he could be setting up a ministry to help the sick, the poor, pregnant teens, abuse recovery. Instead he chooses Mormons? Doesn't that seem sad to anyone else? It always has me. I feel bad for the Tanners for the same reason. How pathetic would I be if I spent a lifetime picking on a group of people? Extremely. Hey guys, go to college and get a real life.
@Spacesamurai500 their living has become bringing the light and life of Jesus to folks like you, right now u feel sad for them but one day soon God-willing u will be glad and happy they´re doing this.
@7wiiskate And the way to do that is through a tv show that mocks and ridicules the Mormon church and promotes absolutely nothing about his own faith?
@Spacesamurai500 the show is 4 mormons that feel left out or have serious doubts bout the whole ordeal of ur leaders, beginning, history, doctrines and everything else that doesnt align well with the bible, the show is for them and guiding them 2 at the only Jesus son of God who brings peace joy & eternal life as a GIFT. to all those that receive his sacrifice and word.
@Spacesamurai500: Shawn does what other Christians here in Utah do - we expose false doctrines masqerading as Christianity. Joseph Smith's doctrines are often 180 degree opposites of Christianity. Shawn is warning the flock not to mix LDS teaching with their own Christian beliefs. He is also trying to wake Mormons up to the fact that they are being deceived. Obviously, you don't "get it" - but many Mormons in Utah are leaving the LDS Church as they learn the truth from the Bible.
@TubeNumber1USA Shawn and "other Christians here in Utah" aren't christians at all. They are bigots. Calling themselves Christians shames Jesus and all he stood for. They stand outside conference centers and tell children they're going to hell in front of parents, step on toes in order to provoke Mormons, ministry websites like Utah Lighthouse demeaning the intelligence Mormons, depicting them as monkeys and baboons, name calling and historically innacurate publications.
@Spacesamurai500: What utter nonsense. Do ANYY of you Mormons trhink for yourselves - or do you only regurgitate what your leaders tell you to think? 20 people pickett outside Generasl Conference. 20!!! And you paint all Christians with the same brush - THAT my friend is Bigotry. Then you LIE - Sandra Tanner has NEVER depicted Mormons as monkeys and baboons - SHE herself was a Mormon. As for her "innacurate publications - they are LDS publications . . .
@TubeNumber1USA I don't even have to mention temple square. Whole anti mormon ministries are set up with thousands of christians involved. Do you deny this? Do you deny places like Utah Lighthouse ministries that call Mormons morons, and refuse to elect Romney for President merely because he is a Mormon? That's not bigotry? Sandra Tanner and all her bigot followers HAVE depicted Mormons as monkeys. Go to her facebook site and learn the truth. She is a bigot.
@Spacesamurai500: I tdon't think the issue is Mormons in general, and I don't think it's Christians in general. I think the problem is you. You just might be a Moron. You lie through your rotting teeth about Sandra. By reading your responses to me - repeatedly calling ME a bigot - when I probably have as many LDS friends as you do.
It's all becoming clear. You have a chip on your shoulder. You are Anti-Christian. I notice you didn't REFUTE my suspicions about the alleged rock incident.
@Spacesamurai500: Mitt Romney has sworn allegiance to the LDS Living Prophet. America does not want a cult leader, Thomas Monson, advising the American President. The ones who don't realize LDS is a cult, are its members. Leaders accuse Christians of hating Mormons - when we're tryng to help you discover the Truth.
They convince you the slightest comment against Joseph Smith is anti-MORMON. They turn it into a personal attack on YOU. It's a cult tactic - not that I expect you to believe me.
First off the Church has no stance on Anti-Mormonsism, they can not for those who say they love Christ and act in the exact opposite. We allow all to worship Christ in the manner they think appropriate even if that means worshiping Christ through lies and hate.
Also realize disagreeing with Joseph's prophetic calling does not make you Anti-Mormon, many will not heed the council of God's prophets.
It's the blatant lies and half-truths willings spread that makes them Anti's
@ViCe1986: As long as LDS missionaries go door-to-door, telling OUR friends and neighbors that YOUR church is "Christian" - when in fact, it teaches the most repugnant ANTI-Christian vomit imaginable - we are going to DEFEND our Christian faith from the LDS propaganda campaign of Lies and Deceit.
As long as the LDS Church steals our name, "Christian", then misrepresents Christianity and all it stands for - then we are going to expose Mormonism - and SHOUT IT from the rooftops!
@Spacesamurai500: Shawn and his family are personal friends of my wife and meI. Not only has he never picketed General Conference - but he spoke out on his program against those who do. You only believe what your lying leaders TELL you. They want you to believe Christians hate you.
I stated clearly my beef is with LDS leaders claiming to be Christian but refusing to adhere to ANY Christian doctrines. THAT is not bigotry - we are helping to keep Christianity free of LDS doctrinal poison.
@TubeNumber1USA It's you who doesn't "get it." You're just as bad as southern racist who hates blacks. You are a bigot, a non-christian, and God hates everything you do to "help Mormons."
Most people aren't guilty of adultery. I love how born agains are like "oh Mormons always point the finger, you sin therefore you left." Simple psychology folks, my wife left born again christianity to find the truth, and many born agains accused her of the same crap. Why? Because EVERYONE is guilty of cognitive bias. Look it up. No one who leaves a religion would SAY I sinned, therefore I left. Always its "well its the religion's fault"
Having a change of heart through Christ isn't something the bishop grants. That is a very personal process between you and the Lord. The bishop is there to help and guide you... but not offer you forgiveness. There is council given, but never forgiveness... It is through (and only) Christ that we receive that forgiveness and change of heart.
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved." Joseph Smith Jr.
(5) How do these items compare with Authorised Christian doctrine which is The Word of God? Once explored.. you will know why people who wish to be Christian leave the Mormon church and the mormon faith.
(4) Mormons believe that God created multiple worlds and each world has people living on it. They also believe that multiple Gods exist but each has their own universe. We are only subject to our God and if we obtain the highest level of heaven we can become gods ourselves. D&C 76: 24
(3) Any worthy white male can be given the priesthood aged 12 years + and is given specific duties. Blacks were allowed the priesthood in 1978. D&C 107: 1-5. LDS doctrine there are three heavens D&C 76: 94-98. LDS theology you can be forgiven for any sin, save two. First, denying the Holy Spirit, and second, murder. D&C 76: 43-45.
(2) If we were not good spirits in the pre-existence, we would be born black. Anything that the prophet says in official capacity is considered official canon. D&C 43: 2-9. After Jesus’ resurrection LDS people believe he visited the peoples of the Americas. 3 Nephi 11: 7-12. LDS religion believes in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit as separate beings. They also believe that God, Jesus and resurrected beings have bodies of “flesh and bone.” D&C 129:1-5.
(1) LDS theology states that in order to make it to the highest kingdom of heaven, you must pay a full and honest tithe. D&C 119: 3-6 Basically; no coffee, no drugs, no tobacco. D&C 89: 5-13. everyone on earth now was a spirit in the pre-existence. When we die, our spirits are separated from our bodies and if we were good they go to “spirit paradise.” If we were bad they go to “spirit prison.” The spirit world exists as a place for spirits to go while awaiting the second coming. D&C 138: 8-14
The Book of Mormon utterly lacks historical or archaeological support, and there is an overwhelming body of empirical evidence that refutes it. Secondly, the Book of Mormon contains none of the key Mormon doctrines. Thirdly, the Book of Mormon abounds in textual errors, factual errors, and outright plagiarisms from other works.
Shawn is the true fraud, He says one thing on one show and another on another show. Claims to be a drinker on one and not on another. He admits that he plays games with the audience to get attention, to keep everyone off balance, and says it works. Dressing one way, making his hair long then short etc. Grace exists in the Mormon Church too Shawn, Its not used like mainstram Christians where they just rub Christs belly for forgivness.
Pappyforyou, Excellent :)Praise God and Bless you!
TheSoulamore 23 hours ago
Interesting that you are making a living off of condemning a religion that you chose not to believe in. I have many friends who are LDS. None of them behave as you say. It appears to be a church that isn't for weak people--maybe that's your issue? I've wasted my time watching your videos. May God forgive you.
martinmaas4 2 days ago
I can answer the question without wastin my time. Shawn left the Church because he lost it. Obviously he never researched his faith well enough. Being a Seminary teacher deosn't make anybody excempt from sin or apostasy. Now you know the answer. Thanks for asking!
alexgomez2 6 days ago
People can leave the church, but they can't leave it alone. Whether its right or wrong, don't you have anything else to do? Just walk away and be done. I'll bet you'll delete this message.
4293roger 1 week ago
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You lost the bet....lol
Jack44M 3 days ago
Spin it Shawn Spin it!
scottwins2 2 weeks ago
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What?
BeInnocuous 2 weeks ago
The Bible says in the book of Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God". We're all sinners, but we are save thru faith in Jesus Christ if just ask him into our lives to forgive us of our sins and cleanse our hearts.
beatleman69 3 weeks ago
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I'm not sure what the fixation is to one principal. Jesus did not teach faith only... He taught hard work... he gave an example of hard work and told us to take his yoke upon ourselves. Yes we all have falled short... the good news is we can pick ourselves up and keep going as Jesus paid the price of our short comings.
BeInnocuous 2 weeks ago
@BeInnocuous When we are spirtually lost, we have burdens on us do to sin, Jesus said cast your burdens on his, for he said his yoke is easy and his burden is light. You got it all wrong, stop trying to earn your salvation cause you cannot. Jesus paid for it on the cross, all we have to do is accept his gift of salvation, why do you refuse to blelieve the truth? Why are you so blind? You need to take Shawn's example and get out of bondage of mormonism, cause you are in spirtual bondage my friend
beatleman69 2 weeks ago
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His burden and yoke is light as it is free from sin. But please show me where I'm trying to earn my salvation? All I'm trying to do is follow the example that Christ gave us... not deny it because we can not be perfect or free from sin. We can and are thought the Atonement of Christ. You might not accept that but that just means you have not be born again.
How do we accept that free gift of Grace?
What truth am i refusing?
BeInnocuous 2 weeks ago
@beatleman69
Blind is denying the plain words of Christ in John 15:12-14
Spiritual bondage? Is that why you guys believe you are dirty rags? I'm free from all bondage as I look to my God. You can keep your dirty rages and your dire outlook. I have a new outlook on life... you should get it too.
BeInnocuous 2 weeks ago
@BeInnocuous you and your dirty rags! Romans 1:20 For the invisible things, of him from creation of the world they are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead So they are without excuse. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they become fools,) #1
pappyforyou 2 days ago
#2 If if you profess Christ as your Savior, king, God, why do you need Joesph Smiths teachings ? Don't the scriptures say there is one God?John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.) When did Jesus become less than that ? Who would try and take deity from the Christ and make him equals with Satan and ourselves, other than so called 1st born birth right ? Who would like us all to be so blinded by a false sense of pride? # 2
pappyforyou 2 days ago
# 3 Makes it a lot easier to spit on God when you think you can control him by what you do don't it ? That's why Joesph came up with D&C Makes you think you have the power to control God by covenants. Made from the mind of a man that wasinterested in women, money, power there is nothing God like in Joesph teaching's! Save what he stole from the Bible even it's errors, which a real prophet sent to correct thing's would have known. My Living God is wiser than your dead prophet and his filthy rags!
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In this dispensation, the Lds Prophet (President, who claimed he wont lead members astray) is spending three BILLION dollars of Gods money on a shopping mall instead of helping the hungry poverty stricken families!
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TheSoulamore 2 months ago
I'm glad Shawn admits this. I think his issues have been mental and how he perceives things. There are many LDS who feel the same way, but don't feel the need to leave the faith because of it. Much of what he says is still harmonious with LDS belief.
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TheSoulamore 3 months ago
@testskriftene So what you're saying is that you had church disciplinary problems, got offended and found another way.... You know who else found another way? the apostates of the early Christian church. 2 Peter 3:14-18. You are WRONG Shawn. And the heart of the matter is, it is time you admit it. There is NO other way. Christ is the path and you have strayed dragging many souls down with you. You are deceptive and if you don't repent, you will recieve a just recompense for your actions. peace.
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TheSoulamore 3 months ago
@TheSoulamore You need a review of the doctrine of Christ. He spent his entire ministry calling people to repentance. Then made it effective through His Atonement. Christ is the way.. so how do you access Christ? do you confess Christ once and ouila! you're saved? That's not biblical. Read the scripture I mentioned above. Christ commanded ALL to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. I'd be happy to further detail the flaws in the "all grace, no works" philosophy. if you'd like .
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TheSoulamore 3 months ago
@rambojoe2323 Love it! Shawn outright admitted to sexual deviance and prided himself in it. What's with ex-mormons and not being able to keep their pants on and their hands away from their genitals? Must be in the water.
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500: Statistically, there are more convicted sexual predators (30) living within a 1 mile radius - only 10 minutes from BYU - than in Harlem, NY or Watts, CA. Provo-Orem is roughly 70% LDS. Just sayin'.
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@TubeNumber1USA Source?
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
Latter day saints = modren day / a person of great holiness
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
srghot18 3 months ago
So he left Mormonism to join Cannibalism? How are the fairy tales of Xianity even the slightest improvement on the fairy tales of Mormondumb?
jlorz 3 months ago
according to your logic, technically your church is also a cult...started by John Smyth in the 1600's. you say mormons reject "historical christianity", when in fact, the protestants were the first to brake away from "historical christianity" aka catholicism. what you are suggesting is that if any churches' interpretation of the ancient text aka the bible, which has endured hundreds of translations over thousands of years, is not in exact accordance with your interpretation, theyre nonchristian.
cavalistic 3 months ago
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"Shawn has been set free and free indeed. Praise Jesus Christ of Nazareth."
Says the woman who autoproclaim a true christian and said "I would have liked to kill Joseph Smith with my own hands"
dorisfenella 3 months ago
Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
1kaitae 3 months ago
You did leave LDS Church?? WHERE are you go your Church???
BrotherOrmond 3 months ago
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God’s plan for us is simple to understand, but it takes a lifetime to follow. Following the plan of happiness is easier when we do the simple things, like reading the scriptures, going to church, praying, and serving others. Jesus Christ was the perfect example in following God's plan. It takes faith and works for us to be like Jesus, but it is worth it now and will be in eternity.
gemmalizbeth1 3 months ago
good stuff!god bless.
antivatican1 4 months ago
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TO ALL LDS: 1.Read the Holy Bible 2.Swallow your righteous pride 3.Think deeply and meditate 4.Forget about your past bad doctrines 5.Let God be God 6.Accept we are sinners saved by grace 7.Embrace the cross of Christ 8.Ask Christ for wisdom and guidance 9. Don't think that we hate you 10.Don't claim as Christians
darkestyousibug 4 months ago
TO ALL LDS: 1.Read the Holy Bible 2.Swallow your righteous pride 3.Think deeply and meditate 4.Forget about your past bad doctrines 5.Let God be God 6.Accept we are sinners saved by grace 7.Embrace the cross of Christ 8.Ask Christ for wisdom and guidance 9. Don't think that we hate you 10.Don't claim as Christians
darkestyousibug 4 months ago 9
@darkestyousibug Short and well said.
RedSun875 4 months ago
@darkestyousibug 1. Read the bible daily. Probably know it better than most mainstream christians. 2. Righteous Pride? How often are Mormons standing outside your buildings condemning YOU to hell. I believe the shoe is on the other foot. 3. We are very well versed in scripture and our doctrines. 4. Your doctrines of salvation by grace didn't exist until Martin Luther. 5. We do, and we don't play his judge like born agains who tell us we're going to hell. 6. I agree, Jesus is the way
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@darkestyousibug 7. I embrace his life and resurrection, not his death. His victory. 8. I do every day and I love him for all the great wisdom he gives, including praying what is true and what is not. 9. You're whole religion has shown me nothing but hate for years. If you don't hate us show it by sharing your own faith to convert instead of putting ours down. 10. We are true christians, born agains are not. "By their fruits ye shall know them." The westboro baptists are no different than you.
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500 Your doctrines and occult practices doesn't say so. You can't love God with your insane doctrines. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.(1 Cor. 13:4) You can't love God with this false doctrines. These are all LIES. And you can't glorify the name of God in lies. And guess what. We don't have any part on our salvation. Im afraid you are not well versed enough to defend your doctrine my friend. We don't condem you you are going to hell. ..
darkestyousibug 1 month ago
@darkestyousibug
Like the false doctrines of grace alone (Bible says grace through faith and faith requires obedience and works), rapture (Bible says God is no respecter of persons and that when the Anti-Christ comes believes will flee to the mountains not get a free pass for good behavior, we meet up in the air to join Christ while he returns not to escape our final trial of faith), infant baptisms (nowhere in the Bible is baptizing infants taught or recorded, Christ blessed the children)
ViCe1986 3 weeks ago
@Spacesamurai500 By not condemning others going to hell doesn't mean you don't have this righteous pride. Guess what, I know you really try to be righteous and become holified to be future Gods which can stay in celestial kingdom and have this so called endless celestial sex with goddess, what a God-glorifying doctrine. And another thing? when we speak you wrong doings, instead of defending your faith, you bash back our own faith but sorry, if we are on the same cause, ders no need to bash ours
darkestyousibug 1 month ago
@darkestyousibug 1. Read it every day 2. Never had it in the first place 3. That's how I came to accept the truth of the Restored Gospel 4. I had to accept the truth's that the Bible teaches of a falling away into a Great Apostasy 5. I do 6. I know that I am a sinner and that grace through faith alone brings exaltation, I also know that faith without works is dead 7. I refuse to embrace an idol, the Bible forbids cross worshiping 8. I do 9. I don't 10, I shall always proclaim to be Christ's
ViCe1986 3 weeks ago
Found out this clown screens all his calls and there are tons of people he won't talk to . So much for getting the truth out .
mollymu1 4 months ago
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TheSoulamore 4 months ago
Funny how CERTAIN (cults) churches freak and diown you if you leave a 'church'...couch a 'cult.' Real Christian normal churches...don't disown you, they may call you and ask you to come back because they care but they are still your family and friends. That is one of the top signs and warnings that you're in a cult. Google it.
URABombShell 4 months ago
@URABombShell very true
7wiiskate 4 months ago
I think he sinned and just left the church of his own free will.
Ask yourself: why so much adversity to a church that only does good things?
darthspeaks 4 months ago
@darthspeaks simply because lds think good things can save them & they call themselves Christians -_-
darkestyousibug 4 months ago
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@darthspeaks For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8&9
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hammerogod 3 months ago
Howard W. Hunter "Joseph Smith's...truthfulness...that he saw the Father and the Son... to the reality of that divine revelation. He was..to reestablish the true and living church, restored...as it existed in the day of the Savior's own mortal ministry...he said: 'I understand my mission and business. God Almighty is my shield; and what can man do if God is my friend? I shall not be sacrificed until my time comes; then I shall be offered freely'
scottwins2 5 months ago
Why was Joseph Smith persecuted? Why was he hunted from neighborhood to neighborhood, from city to city, and from State to State, and at last suffered death? Because he received revelations from the Father, from the Son, and was ministered to by holy angels, and published to the world the direct will of the Lord concerning his children on the earth. BRIGHAM YOUNG
scottwins2 5 months ago
Christianity today believes in the God of Plato, NeoPlatoism came about by Plato declaring there was only three things that could exist forever BEAUTY, TRUTH and GOOD. He later taught these were "THE ONE" or "THE DEVINE". 425 yrs later the Sadducees and Pharisiees followed this creed. God, Jesus?, They had no bodies, "kill him"! they said. Philosophers after Jesus influenced what was written in the Bible, giving "The Devine One" precident. Niacea sealed it, God and Christ were JUSTa SPIRIT!
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2: Plato didn't say Beauty, Truth, and Goodness were the ONLY things that could exist forever. Plato believed there was a unitary SOURCE of truth, beauty and goodness. He envisioned an eternal realm that he called the "Forms". At the apex of the Forms was a supreme Form. It didn't necessitate "God", and could have been a "force" or a general exposure to "enlightenment". Sounds more like LDS "Eternal Progression" than Christianity - and Plato believed in a Pre-Existence, as Mormons do.
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
Christianity today believes in the God of Plato, NeoPlatoism came about with Plato declaring there was only three things that could exist BEAUTY, TRUTH, GOOD. He then brouht those together into THE ONE or THE DEVINE. Later the Saducees and Pharisiees defied Christ for this belief. God? Jesus?, God had no body. Philosophers after Christ influenced the bringing about the Bible, giving the Devine One precident. Then Niacea where it was sealed God was JUST a spirit
scottwins2 5 months ago
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TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
Boasting here is actually menaing more of. Actually Paul said the samme thing. 2 Corinthians 11:16
I say again, let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little
2 Corinthians 11:10
As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.
2 Corinthians 10:8
For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification...
scottwins2 5 months ago
How great indeed is our debt to [Joseph Smith]... It was he who brought us a true knowledge of God the Eternal Father and His Risen Son, the Lord Jesus Christ. During the short time of his great vision he learned more concerning the nature of Deity than all of those who through centuries had argued that matter in learned councils and scholarly forums. Gordaon B. Hinkley
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2: Neither Jesus Christ nor the Apostle Paul seem to agree with you.
MATTHEW 24:
"And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one DECEIVES you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many . . . Then many FALSE PROPHETS will rise up and deceive many".
GALATIANS 1: "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL to you than what we have preached to you, let him be ACCURSED".
Don't be deceived by JOSEPH'S MYTH.
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA What you say is true, except Joseph Smith is a True prophet. The scripture is directed at false ones not true ones.
Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2; Matthew 5:17 says, the "Prophets" were fulfilled in Jesus.
Matthew 11:13 "For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John (the Baptist)".
So, no more "Prophets". Do Christians at times have prophetic words for the Church - from God? Yes. But the OFFICE of Prophet was fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Amos calls the Prophets "God's Servants". Jesus says "I no longer call you servants - but friends". So who is greater - the Prophets (Servants) - or Christians (Jesus' Friends)?
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
@scottwins2: Did you consider Galatians 1? There is no doubt Joseph Smith came preaching a different gospel than Jesus and the Apostles. He contradicts the scriptures. That alone makes him a False Prophet. He claimed there was a Great Apostasy and the Bible was corrupted. IF this were true - the New Testament would not be the fulfillment of the Old Testament. Yet, we find they work in perfect harmony - especially when it comes to who GOD is, who JESUS is, and the ospel of Salvation by Grace.
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA Your ministers taught ou well. Actually there was a falling away, 2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed..., So please don't try to decieve me that there is no falling away.
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2: READ what you posted. The "Falling Away" happens when the Anti-Christ is revealed.. That hasn't happened yet. It appens at the End of Days - NOT in 80 AD! If you can't acknowledge the obvious in Psalm 82 - then discussing the Bible with you will be an exercise in futility. But, good luck to you.
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
@scottwins2
The "Falling Away" spoken of in 2 Thessalonians cannot come until the Anti-Christ is revealed.
Any contextual reading of Scripture demands that this be true.
It has not happened yet.
If you claim that it has happened then your Biblical knowledge is very weak.
Here is a promise I can make to Mormons:
You will either accept Jesus for who He is now and who He has always been according to the Bible.
OR
You will face Him as an enemy at the Great Judgement.
hammerogod 3 months ago
@hammerogod I am sorry I can't pray to Jesus I pray to the Father who he prayed to in his name. I don't follow "The One" "The Devine" created for you by Plato. Christ has a body? I ask you? Then where is his body today? What place?
scottwins2 3 months ago
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I honestly don't care who you pray to.
"And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. – John 14:13-14"
Who is speaking there?
That is who I pray to.
If Plato created something I will leave that between God and Plato.
I just read and follow Scripture.
hammerogod 3 months ago
@hammerogod Plato is your prophet and its sad youu don't even know it. yet Christ prays to the father, I am going to follow that prayer. Since you believe he and the Father are one if you are the modern day born again, Jesus would be a nut to pray for himself. You go ahead and pray to Jesus he and I will pray to the Father.
scottwins2 3 months ago
hammerogod 3 months ago 2
@hammerogod Actually the Church body as a whole is very consistant. Evidently you don't know as much as you think you do. We just don't believe in the God Plato created for you whichGreek Culture influenced the New Testament into NIacea.About 900 yrs thats enough to mess things up a bit, Your One the Devine is Platos God. Neo Platoism lives to day I see.
scottwins2 3 months ago
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scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2: Just WISHING Joseph to be a True Prophet doesn't make it so. His words had to be in perfect alignment with the already written word of God. Joseph Smith taught OPPOSITE to the Bible. He says God is an exalted Man who BECAME a God. He says the same thing of Jesus Christ. And He claimed Mormons, through an alleged Law of Eternal Progression may be exalted to Godhood. ALL three of these contradict God's holy word. Since when does contradicting God make someone a TRUE Prophet?
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA I don't wish he a prophet I know. I can tell you this I don't pray to Jesus I pray to the Father he prayed to in his name since he is my advocate.
Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are Gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
John 1:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
I
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2: I really appreciate your thoughtful responses. I'm going to ask you to please stay with me on what I'm about to show you. Something that concerns Christians like myself about Mormons, like yourself - is that you are being fed a lot of bad doctrines that the LDS Church supports using PARTS of Bible verses taken completely out of context. Psalm 82:6 is a perfect example. I request that you "forget" you've ever heard a teaching on it, and read PSALM 82 as if it were the first time.
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
@scottwins2: (Condensed for Space) PSALM 82:1-7 God presides in the great assembly; he renders judgment among the “gods”: “How long will you defend the unjust and show partiality to the wicked? . . . “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing. They walk about in darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken. “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.” . . . . .
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
@scottwins2: i trust you've now read Psalm 82, so let me ask you. Do these "gods" sound like what you've been taught MORMON Gods are suppose to be - knowing NOTHING, understanding NOTHING, walking about in DARKNESS?
I thought Mormon Gods were supposed to have achieved Exaltation, Wisdom, Holiness. I thought Mormon Gods were to be the ultimate in Righteousness. Yet, here Almighty God accuses them of showing favoritism to THE WICKED. Could it be these aren't really "Gods" after all?
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
@scottwins2: In truth - these are not Gods, as Mormons have been taught to believe. They are a collection of Judges. They are being admonished by Almighty God, because THEY are supposed to be His human representatives on Earth - and rule among the people - just as if HE was ruling . But, instead, they've become corrupt - showing partiality to the wicked and the unjust. God then tells them how he EXPECTS them to act - but the Judges just don't "get it"/ They know nothing. They understand nothing.
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
@scottwins2: They walk about in darkness. God warns them - You rule in MY authority on earth (sons of the Most High) - but I'll strike you down as any other mortal because of your wickedness.
THIS is why Jesus compares the equally-corrupt Pharisees to these wicked rulers in John 10:34. He is telling them - THIS is who you are. You are like the evil rulers of Psalm 82.
Reading it in context makes much more sense than believing Psalm 82 is saying you become a literal God, now, doesn't it?
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
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1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect
Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil.
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2: RE: Genesis 3:5 > Oh, that's REAL GOOD - now you quote SATAN to prove that you're going to be a God! I rest my case.
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA i was thinking the same thing lol it seems sometimes useless 2share biblical truths to lds its like they dont care or dont believe the Bible its frustrating 2deal with them, they praise the man way more than the Creator.
7wiiskate 4 months ago
Why was Joseph Smith persecuted? Why was he hunted from neighborhood to neighborhood, from city to city, and from State to State, and at last suffered death? Because he received revelations from the Father, from the Son, and was ministered to by holy angels, and published to the world the direct will of the Lord concerning his children on the earth. BRIGHAM YOUNG
scottwins2 5 months ago
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved." Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 5 months ago
"I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope." Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 5 months ago
@scottwins2: JOSEPH SMITH: "Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam . . . neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I." (History of the Church, Vol. 6, pg 408-09)
Doesn't smell like LOVE to me!
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
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Feel sorry for this guy . He would of been so much happier to of been born back in the 1800's so he could of been in the mobs.
mollymu1 5 months ago
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@Ingle92protege Feel sorry for this guy . He would of been so much happier to of been born back in the 1800's so he could of been in the mobs.
mollymu1 5 months ago
good for you.! you lost your salvation! bravo! if you sin, you accept your fault! we all sin, but most of us have the strenght and courage or nerve to repent and start over again. God let us do that. Why don't you take that chance before you are dead and you can not do it anymore. What a sad history, this one, isn't it?
CrazziiGiirL54 5 months ago
Lots of southern racism. Ministries set up to do nothing more than ridicule someone else's faith. I'm sorry, I just don't see the Savior smiling on anything like what I see born agains do. It's a shame. Jesus preached the truth and invited people to follow. I don't ever remember him standing outside synagogues with signs, telling poor children they're going to hell(which born agains do at general conference). I'd suggest taking a long hard look at yourselves before mocking Mormons. You need help
Spacesamurai500 6 months ago 3
@Spacesamurai500 Great comment!
scottwins2 5 months ago
@Spacesamurai500: How MANY born agains do that? I don't do that. I don't know ANYBODY who does that - and I live in SLC. There are 2 BILLION Christians - are you going to whitewash ALL of us for the rude behavior of 10 people? Well, THAT'S how many "anti" signs FAIR claims were outside the 2010 General Conference.
LDS doctrines are contrary to Christianity - yet Mormon missionaries go door to door claiming to be Christian. We have an obligation as Christians to expose the LDS deception.
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
We Christians find ourselves in a complicated position with the LDS. We care about their eternal destiny and try to show them the truth - but they've been taught to treat an attack on Jospeh Smith's substitute "Christian" doctrines - as a personal attack on themselves..
Another issue is Mormon missionaries go door to door claiming to be Christian. Yet, Mormonism is often ANYTHING but Christian. We are faced with having to warn people that "Becoming a Mormon God" is NOT a Christian teaching.
TubeNumber1USA 5 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA "I am a lover of the cause of Christ and of virtue, chastity, and an upright, steady course of conduct and a holy walk. I despise a hypocrite or a covenant breaker. I judge them not; God shall judge them according to their works. I am a lover even of mine enemies, for an enemy seeketh to destroy openly. I can pray for those who despitefully use and persecute me, but for all I cannot hope." Joseph Smith Jr.
Its the church of JESUS CHRIST of LATTER DAY SAINTS
scottwins2 5 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA
I am LDS and I love my church, I love God, I love Jesus Christ, and I am a Christian.
irishdancefreak1997 4 months ago
@irishdancefreak1997: So, you think you're a Christian? Your answers to the following will reveal what you are:
Jesus promised, "My words will NEVER pass away". Joseph says Jesus' words have been corrupted through translation. Joseph is calling Jesus a LIAR. Who do YOU believe - Jesus or Joseph?
Jesus promised, "The Gates of Hell will not prevail against His church". Joseph says Jesus FAILED to hold His church together. Joseph is calling Jesus a LIAR. Who do YOU believe - Jesus or Joseph?
TubeNumber1USA 3 months ago 9
@TubeNumber1USA Your statement only makes sense if you are a Catholic. We can say anyone who believes a "reformation" was needed also believes Christ failed to keep his Church together. But Jesus never said that. Did Jesus fail because he died and was gone for 3 days before the resurrection? Not at all. Same for his Church.
trencher7 2 months ago
@trencher7: Jesus never said WHAT? The LDS Church has NEVER said a mere "reformation justified Joseph Smith. They claimed a COMPLETE apostacy occurred and a COMPLETE removal of Christ's church from the earth. That simply never happened.
TubeNumber1USA 2 months ago
@TubeNumber1USA I think you missed my point. Yes, a restoration was needed and that is what LDS believe. I am saying that anyone who also believes a reformation was needed is also guilty of saying "Jesus failed and that he is a liar." I am just using your own words and logic. So if you are Catholic your comments make sense. Otherwise you believe in either a restoration or reformation was needed.
trencher7 2 months ago
@trencher7: Jesus' church never fell into complete apostacy. His church is the sum total of all Believers. Joseph claimed a COMPLETE apostacy had occurred. This is not the case. The Catholic Church added their own rituals on top of Biblical truth - ie praying thru Mary and the Apostles. What Luther did was create a manifesto. When the church didn't act on his "suggestions"- the Protestant church movement began their own church homes. Jesus never came to start a monolithic religious organization.
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@irishdancefreak1997: Is Jesus Christ the Almighty God? Was Father God once a man? Can a Mormon be exalted to become a God? Did Jesus Christ pay for ALL your sins - or only after all you can do? If your responses are: "No. Yes. Yes. After all I can do" - then you are no more a Christian than the man in the moon.
TubeNumber1USA 2 months ago
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@TubeNumber1USA " "Becoming a Mormon God" is NOT a Christian teaching." Really? Who is the say all in what is a christian teaching and what isn't? As far as I see it, Born agains think anything that doesn't coincide with their doctrine not only makes those contrary believers not christian, but hell bound. How about we debate the facts of what is and isn't christian with the bible? I've spent hours with pastors and priests doing the same, and have yet to get any evidence.
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@TubeNumber1USA You're also a little in denial if yo don't think born agains constantly behave just as I said. Go to general conference and have your eyes opened to the terrible and un-christian behavior of your born again brother and sisters.
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500: I don't happen to agree with the people outside general conference. Does their behavior mean you paint all Christians with the same brush? That's just plan ignoarant - and may I say . . . uh, BIGOTTED. You aren't objecting to doctrine, and church history, as I do - YOU are attacking Christians. That's pretty lame.
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@TubeNumber1USA How is your behavior any different? Show me a ministry that teaches Mormons are christians and brothers in Christ, that they aren't going to hell, and their beliefs and history shouldn't be attacked, and that said ministry will promote their own faith, and nothing more. Show me one damn born again church like that and I'll say differently.
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500: Your leaders know Mormonism isn't Christianity. What makes a Mormon a Mormon? DOCTRINE. What makes a Christian a Christian? DOCTRINE. LDS refuse to teach Christian DOCTRINE - so they are NOT Christian. Period.
Are YOU a bigot? YOUR Church refuses to acknowledge Fundamentalist LDS - as Mormons. They believe Joseph Smith, the BoM, D&C, and PoGP. But they have one major doctrinal difference - Polygamy - which Joseph claimed in D&C 132 was an Everlastng Commandment from God!
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@TubeNumber1USA
Yes, we refuse to teach the man made doctrine that has corrupted the Church of Christ since the end of the ancient Apostleship almost 2 millennia ago.
We teach the truth of Christ's doctrine, not just the parts that the Pagan Constantine decided worked well enough for him to make his false state religion on and that the rest of Christendom and evolved from
ViCe1986 3 weeks ago
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TubeNumber1USA 3 weeks ago
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@ViCe1986Not Constantine & the Council of Nicea again!
The NT was not a new gospel - but ancient promises of the Old Testament being FULFILLED in Jesus Christ. The NT doesn't add doctrines that weren't already taught or prophecied in the OT - nor does it subtract any. The books that weren't included - generally contained teaching, etc. not supported by previous scriptures.
Once the LDS convince you the Bible has been tampered with - THEY can get you to believe ANYTHING - and they do.
TubeNumber1USA 3 weeks ago
@TubeNumber1USA
Fact Check, show the verse in D&C 132 that states polygamy is an eternal commandment. It does not exist, eternal marriage is an eternal covenant that has existed since the time of Adam.
The only verses referencing polygamy state that it is a temporary state to exists until further revelation is given and only to be used by calling of the President of the Church with consent to the current wife.
Stop your evil lies 132 has nothing to do with polygamy as an eternal covenant.
ViCe1986 3 weeks ago
@ViCe1986: It says "everlasting covenant". Emma is ordered to abide by it or be destroyed. Prophet Brigham Young declared no Mormon who did not practice polygamy - would become a God. Fundamentalists interpret D&C 132 as I have.
Incidently, GOD didn't rescind polygamy. The Utah Territory did - as a prerequisite of being granted Statehood in 1896. Mormons are sealed to multiple wives in Celestial Marriage - and if they get the chance to overturn the law, they'll go right back to polygamy.
TubeNumber1USA 3 weeks ago
@TubeNumber1USA
See you have to twist the section to fit you goals. Why not just read it please copy and past the verse from the D&C available online as lds.org that states plural marriage is an everlasting covenant. If you do I will immediately renounce the Church and submit my name to be removed from the records.
My membership is secure though cause there is no verse declaring this, 132 clearly states the everlasting covenant is eternal marriage, not plural marriage. CONT
ViCe1986 3 weeks ago
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The last 5 verses are the only mention of plural marriages, they set strict rules for it and require consent of the husband and wife AFTER being called by the President of the Church to take a second wife.
Also read clearly verse 66 it says that more will be revealed about plural marriage, fast forward to 1890. President Woodruff did reveal more at that time that the practice was to be ended infinitely. 132 is the Word of God, your "interpretation" about it are the problem,
ViCe1986 3 weeks ago
@ViCe1986: It isn't the Word of God - but a very amatuerish imitation of King James religious-speak. If you are fluent in the Bible, it's clear how Joseph concocted the BoM - taking part of a verse, adding it to part of another verse - mixing them with his own doctrines. It's a giant patchwork of plagerized Bible verses and concepts from "A View Of The Hebrews", and Asa Wild's vision, published in the Wayne County Sentinel YEARS before Joseph first published his vision - in the same newspaper!.
TubeNumber1USA 3 weeks ago
@ViCe1986: What I read WAS from LDS.org. They are a primary source that I use. If I twisted D&C 132 - then, so did PROPHET Brigham Young!
My "goal" is to encourage Mormons to challenge what you've been taught. Joseph Smith's claims have been debunked from so many angles: Historical, Geological, Archeological, Linguistic, and DNA evidence - plus Bible Scripture. The only ones who won't listen to reason or hold Mormonism up to intense scrutiny - are Mormons! It's your eternal destiny at stake.
TubeNumber1USA 3 weeks ago
@Spacesamurai500: Please answer this: If a preponderance of evidence indicated the whole thing was a lie fabricated by Joseph Smith - and you had rested your eternal destiny on his claims - wouldn't you want somebody to warn you about it, and share the truth with you - even if it hurt your feelings?
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@TubeNumber1USA
If there was any credible evidence, I would know since I closely study the life of the Prophet as I build my testimony of the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ that the Prophet was called to restore to the Earth.
Since 1820 the wisest men have tried to destroy the Prophet's name yet his legacy still stands bringing light and joy to the world.
Since 1830 the brightest scholars have attempted to destroy the BoM, yet it still stands bringing people to Christ this day! AMEN
ViCe1986 3 weeks ago
@ViCe1986: I'll wonder if you would even consider The BIBLE to be credible evidence. Mormonism butchers the Bible left and right - and if anyone says. "Why does the BoM keep contradicting the Bible?" your stooges at the top have an answer for that: "Well, ya see - the, uh . . . the Bible was MISTRANSLATED - yeah THAT'S the ticket!"
It couldn't POSSIBLY be Joseph Smith was a lying conman - oh no, not Joseph. The only people who don't see the con - are those who CHOOSE to remain blind.
TubeNumber1USA 3 weeks ago
@ViCe1986: Joseph Smith brings NO joy to the world - he brings leg irons and shackles. He enslaves men and women to a life sentence of trying in vain to justifying themselves "worthy" of Salvation. What "joy" is there in THAT?
Jesus Christ shed his blood on the cross to set men FREE from bondage to sin's penalty - FREE from the curse of the Law.
Christians have REAL joy - the joy of knowing that while we were God's ENEMIES - Chrst died for us. We're saved TODAY - are you?
TubeNumber1USA 3 weeks ago
@TubeNumber1USA There isn't one.
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@TubeNumber1USA 10?! Are you freaking kidding me? Whole ministries are set up for nothing but bigotry. Shall I name a few? Calvary Chapel, Utah Lighthouse Ministries, Saints Alive Ministries...any of these ring a bell? Even you, "we have an obligation as christians to expose LDS deception" yeah? And how would Jesus do that? Would he be dress in our sacred clothes and mock us? Would he, be like Shawn, an adulterer who in the worst kind of hypocritical way, damn Mormons to hell?
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500: Can't deal with the Truth, can you - so you accuse me of bigotry - when my ENTIRE argument is theat LDS doctrines are not Christian - so Mormonism is not Christian. YOUR church excludes Fundamentalist Mormons,doesn't it! Does that make YOU a bigot? Think about it, Gertrude.
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@TubeNumber1USA What is your basis for what are "Christian beliefs" and what aren't? Are "Christian beliefs" only what agree with you? We aren't bigots to our Fundamentalist brothers and sisters, we disagree, but you won't see us preaching their eternal damnation in church. We disagree, but we don't preach against them, or anyone, we merely share the truth as Jesus did. What does your minister say about Fundamentalist Mormons?
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500: My basis is The Bible. Strict adherence to Joseph Smith's teaching will not save anyone - it's a false gospel. But nobody has the authority to claim to KNOW someone is eternally damned. That's God's job. Our church of 500 is about 1/3 ex-LDS. Our pastor doesn't have to say a word about Mormonism - but he does address false doctrines, and often those doctrines are promoted by the LDS. BTW: Were you aware that LDS bishops.DO claim the authority to remove a member's salvation.
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
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Please support your evidence that the Church claims a Bishop can remove someone's salvation? Excommunication is not removing someone's salvation, it is removing them from the blessings of membership in the Church and revoking there ordinances for serious transgressions and it is not a Bishop that does this but the unanimous vote of a disciplinary board called to decide the matter.
ViCe1986 3 weeks ago
@ViCe1986: Before I can respond - I'll recheck my sources who claim they were threatened with losing their salvation for becoming born again.
Let me ask you this: Is it ONLY through Joseph Smith and the LDS Church that one may spend eternity with Heavenly Father in the Celestial Kingdom - or would I be welcomed in as a Born Again Christian? If "no" - why not.
TubeNumber1USA 3 weeks ago
@Spacesamurai500: You have NO understanding whatsoever - you've been DUPED by the LDS church. If you believe Calvary Chapel was set up to spread hatred of Mormons - then you don't know a damn thing about Calvary Chapel. It began as a HIPPY church to spread love and Jesus. UTLM: Sandra Tanner was RAISED Mormon. Saying she's bigotted against Mormons is like accusing Bill Cosby of hating black people - because he has taken THEM to task..
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@TubeNumber1USA Sandra is not a Mormon anymore. If Bill Cosby could change his race and then hate blacks he'd be no better than Sandra Tanner. She is a bigot. Calvary Chapel members drove around in their cars and threw rocks at me, and were payed to bribe those investigating the Mormon church with gifts and money not to listen to the missionaries any more.
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500: So, they drove around with neon signs flashing and bullhorns blasting, "Hey! We're from Calvary Chapel - so you'll know how to find us - and we're outnumbered by LDS in Utah by about 10.000 to 1 - but we want you to know we're throwing rocks at an innocent Mormon, so you can beat the crap out of us!"? Do you really expect us to buy that?
Paid to BRIBE people? Get serious. There are only 2,500 Calvary Chapel members in ALL of Utah. YOUR church is worth $50 BILLION.
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@TubeNumber1USA You people are the worst, and the world is just starting to see it. The westboro baptists are no worse than all the other born to be bigot christians who act and talk just like you.
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500: Yada, yada, yada. Get off the "hate" campaign and you might learn something. Last summer I met with a representative of the Church office in Temple Square. As it concerned a potential business deal between my company and the Church, it was necessary for him to disclose the approximate number of active LDS worldwide. I asked him if it was a little over 14 million - the publicized number. He smiled, and said "No, it's between 7 and 8 million active". "Worldwide?", I asked. "Yes".
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500 give me proof that protestants go outside synagogues and say they are all going to hell
potsocket1 4 months ago
@Spacesamurai500
I was about 7 or 8 years old when I first went to general conference and it freaked me out, outside the building there were people holding signs yelling things, telling me that I was going to burn in hell. Who tells a young child that they are going to hell, this guy shawn always says that mormons are evil and disrespect other churches, but I don't see any mormons standing outside other churches holding signs and yelling to the children that they are going to suffer in hell.
irishdancefreak1997 4 months ago
I could think of a lot of things better to do with any of your time. Study for college, enjoy time with friends and family. The thing I never get about you born agains is the hostility. Everything I've ever seen come from you is rudeness, sarcasm, and lots and lots of hostility. Look at Shawn, he's often sarcastic, he mocks, and name calls. It's like born again society is generations behind what a civilized society should be. It is a religion with a long history of hate. The KKK, southern
Spacesamurai500 6 months ago
Anyone ever question why this poor guy can't seem to leave the church alone? Its so sad, he could be setting up a ministry to help the sick, the poor, pregnant teens, abuse recovery. Instead he chooses Mormons? Doesn't that seem sad to anyone else? It always has me. I feel bad for the Tanners for the same reason. How pathetic would I be if I spent a lifetime picking on a group of people? Extremely. Hey guys, go to college and get a real life.
Spacesamurai500 6 months ago
@Spacesamurai500 their living has become bringing the light and life of Jesus to folks like you, right now u feel sad for them but one day soon God-willing u will be glad and happy they´re doing this.
7wiiskate 5 months ago
@7wiiskate And the way to do that is through a tv show that mocks and ridicules the Mormon church and promotes absolutely nothing about his own faith?
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500 the show is 4 mormons that feel left out or have serious doubts bout the whole ordeal of ur leaders, beginning, history, doctrines and everything else that doesnt align well with the bible, the show is for them and guiding them 2 at the only Jesus son of God who brings peace joy & eternal life as a GIFT. to all those that receive his sacrifice and word.
7wiiskate 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500: Shawn does what other Christians here in Utah do - we expose false doctrines masqerading as Christianity. Joseph Smith's doctrines are often 180 degree opposites of Christianity. Shawn is warning the flock not to mix LDS teaching with their own Christian beliefs. He is also trying to wake Mormons up to the fact that they are being deceived. Obviously, you don't "get it" - but many Mormons in Utah are leaving the LDS Church as they learn the truth from the Bible.
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@TubeNumber1USA Shawn and "other Christians here in Utah" aren't christians at all. They are bigots. Calling themselves Christians shames Jesus and all he stood for. They stand outside conference centers and tell children they're going to hell in front of parents, step on toes in order to provoke Mormons, ministry websites like Utah Lighthouse demeaning the intelligence Mormons, depicting them as monkeys and baboons, name calling and historically innacurate publications.
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500: What utter nonsense. Do ANYY of you Mormons trhink for yourselves - or do you only regurgitate what your leaders tell you to think? 20 people pickett outside Generasl Conference. 20!!! And you paint all Christians with the same brush - THAT my friend is Bigotry. Then you LIE - Sandra Tanner has NEVER depicted Mormons as monkeys and baboons - SHE herself was a Mormon. As for her "innacurate publications - they are LDS publications . . .
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@TubeNumber1USA I don't even have to mention temple square. Whole anti mormon ministries are set up with thousands of christians involved. Do you deny this? Do you deny places like Utah Lighthouse ministries that call Mormons morons, and refuse to elect Romney for President merely because he is a Mormon? That's not bigotry? Sandra Tanner and all her bigot followers HAVE depicted Mormons as monkeys. Go to her facebook site and learn the truth. She is a bigot.
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500: I tdon't think the issue is Mormons in general, and I don't think it's Christians in general. I think the problem is you. You just might be a Moron. You lie through your rotting teeth about Sandra. By reading your responses to me - repeatedly calling ME a bigot - when I probably have as many LDS friends as you do.
It's all becoming clear. You have a chip on your shoulder. You are Anti-Christian. I notice you didn't REFUTE my suspicions about the alleged rock incident.
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@Spacesamurai500: Mitt Romney has sworn allegiance to the LDS Living Prophet. America does not want a cult leader, Thomas Monson, advising the American President. The ones who don't realize LDS is a cult, are its members. Leaders accuse Christians of hating Mormons - when we're tryng to help you discover the Truth.
They convince you the slightest comment against Joseph Smith is anti-MORMON. They turn it into a personal attack on YOU. It's a cult tactic - not that I expect you to believe me.
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@TubeNumber1USA
First off the Church has no stance on Anti-Mormonsism, they can not for those who say they love Christ and act in the exact opposite. We allow all to worship Christ in the manner they think appropriate even if that means worshiping Christ through lies and hate.
Also realize disagreeing with Joseph's prophetic calling does not make you Anti-Mormon, many will not heed the council of God's prophets.
It's the blatant lies and half-truths willings spread that makes them Anti's
ViCe1986 3 weeks ago
@ViCe1986: As long as LDS missionaries go door-to-door, telling OUR friends and neighbors that YOUR church is "Christian" - when in fact, it teaches the most repugnant ANTI-Christian vomit imaginable - we are going to DEFEND our Christian faith from the LDS propaganda campaign of Lies and Deceit.
As long as the LDS Church steals our name, "Christian", then misrepresents Christianity and all it stands for - then we are going to expose Mormonism - and SHOUT IT from the rooftops!
TubeNumber1USA 3 weeks ago
@Spacesamurai500: Shawn and his family are personal friends of my wife and meI. Not only has he never picketed General Conference - but he spoke out on his program against those who do. You only believe what your lying leaders TELL you. They want you to believe Christians hate you.
I stated clearly my beef is with LDS leaders claiming to be Christian but refusing to adhere to ANY Christian doctrines. THAT is not bigotry - we are helping to keep Christianity free of LDS doctrinal poison.
TubeNumber1USA 1 month ago
@TubeNumber1USA It's you who doesn't "get it." You're just as bad as southern racist who hates blacks. You are a bigot, a non-christian, and God hates everything you do to "help Mormons."
Spacesamurai500 1 month ago
Most people aren't guilty of adultery. I love how born agains are like "oh Mormons always point the finger, you sin therefore you left." Simple psychology folks, my wife left born again christianity to find the truth, and many born agains accused her of the same crap. Why? Because EVERYONE is guilty of cognitive bias. Look it up. No one who leaves a religion would SAY I sinned, therefore I left. Always its "well its the religion's fault"
Spacesamurai500 6 months ago
It's not hard to live up to Mormon church standards. He left because he couldn't keep his pants on.
Spacesamurai500 6 months ago
Having a change of heart through Christ isn't something the bishop grants. That is a very personal process between you and the Lord. The bishop is there to help and guide you... but not offer you forgiveness. There is council given, but never forgiveness... It is through (and only) Christ that we receive that forgiveness and change of heart.
tylermatthewmarz 6 months ago
wait so he left because he felt no matter what he may do that he would always be a sinner according to the book of mormon ? ..
So he left LDS to be some other religion since with other religions he would not be as much of a sinner? ..
Am i wrong on both or right on both or half way on either? .. actual questions, im not arguing with anyone thing nor any person ..
LatinProductions 6 months ago
@LatinProductions he left because he wanted to find a more direct way to the Lord.
MrRandomppl 5 months ago
"I would that ye should come unto Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel, and partake of his salvation, and the power of his redemption. Yea, come unto him, and offer your whole souls as an offering unto him, and continue in fasting and praying, and endure to the end; and as the Lord liveth ye will be saved." Joseph Smith Jr.
scottwins2 7 months ago
(5) How do these items compare with Authorised Christian doctrine which is The Word of God? Once explored.. you will know why people who wish to be Christian leave the Mormon church and the mormon faith.
54v115 7 months ago
(4) Mormons believe that God created multiple worlds and each world has people living on it. They also believe that multiple Gods exist but each has their own universe. We are only subject to our God and if we obtain the highest level of heaven we can become gods ourselves. D&C 76: 24
54v115 7 months ago
(3) Any worthy white male can be given the priesthood aged 12 years + and is given specific duties. Blacks were allowed the priesthood in 1978. D&C 107: 1-5. LDS doctrine there are three heavens D&C 76: 94-98. LDS theology you can be forgiven for any sin, save two. First, denying the Holy Spirit, and second, murder. D&C 76: 43-45.
54v115 7 months ago
(2) If we were not good spirits in the pre-existence, we would be born black. Anything that the prophet says in official capacity is considered official canon. D&C 43: 2-9. After Jesus’ resurrection LDS people believe he visited the peoples of the Americas. 3 Nephi 11: 7-12. LDS religion believes in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit as separate beings. They also believe that God, Jesus and resurrected beings have bodies of “flesh and bone.” D&C 129:1-5.
54v115 7 months ago
(1) LDS theology states that in order to make it to the highest kingdom of heaven, you must pay a full and honest tithe. D&C 119: 3-6 Basically; no coffee, no drugs, no tobacco. D&C 89: 5-13. everyone on earth now was a spirit in the pre-existence. When we die, our spirits are separated from our bodies and if we were good they go to “spirit paradise.” If we were bad they go to “spirit prison.” The spirit world exists as a place for spirits to go while awaiting the second coming. D&C 138: 8-14
54v115 7 months ago
The Book of Mormon utterly lacks historical or archaeological support, and there is an overwhelming body of empirical evidence that refutes it. Secondly, the Book of Mormon contains none of the key Mormon doctrines. Thirdly, the Book of Mormon abounds in textual errors, factual errors, and outright plagiarisms from other works.
54v115 7 months ago
you could repent? in the lds church repentance is the big thing there
Laxlife221 7 months ago
Shawn is the true fraud, He says one thing on one show and another on another show. Claims to be a drinker on one and not on another. He admits that he plays games with the audience to get attention, to keep everyone off balance, and says it works. Dressing one way, making his hair long then short etc. Grace exists in the Mormon Church too Shawn, Its not used like mainstram Christians where they just rub Christs belly for forgivness.
scottwins2 7 months ago